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Fucking phantasms; how do they work? 2016-11-05 20:57:32 Post No. 149435968
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Why did the Zero Servants have such high rank Noble Phantasms if their powers were mostly unimpressive and the servants themselves were second stringers?
>Deermud: B and B. Same ranks as Gae Bolg, a 100% superior NP and far more well known spear, especially when these were his backup
NPs and he was meant to be a Saber. I'm also pretty damn sure dual wielding spears is gonna be inefficient even if have good enough strength and agility.
>Bara: A+ for Chariot. Same rank as Bellerophon, which is the same thing except much better, faster, and stronger. EX for Ionian Hetaroi I can give a pass to it since summoning other heroic spirits is supposedly undefinable, but in practicality it pales in comparison to Ea and Avalon.
>KUURU: A+. How does the guy who's explicitly shit at magic have an A+ magic tool? Endless mana source is nice but any half decent Caster wouldn't need to worry about that to begin with, the mooks it summons are garbage, and Cthulhu is powerful but a no-return final gambit that will draw everyone to you. It has just as many drawbacks as it does advantages
>Unrivaled: An A++, a C, and another A++. FSG and Arondight are fine (maybe take out 1 plus cause it really on the same level as Exacilbur?) but why in god's name is KoH that high? It's not worth much when you have a much better sword on hand to begin with and everything it makes is D rank. Not to mention it starts him out unarmed so he's fucked if there's nothing to use nearby.
>Conservation of Ninjutsu personified: B. Garbage ability since it fractures his power and mind.
All of them have at least B rank and 5/7 have A+ or higher, which was supposed to be a fairly big deal. I know the rankings mean jack shit in any application, but that just begs the question of why/how they were so high to begin with. Who wrote these parameters, Nasu or Urobutchi?
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Honestly trying to sift through supposed power level stuff in this franchise is impossible because they always seem to make every servants ultimate ability sound like the most overpowering thing ever and then it's defeated by some MacGuffin that the person they're fighting just so happens to have the answer too. It's actually one of the worst franchises I've seen at handling this sort of stuff for how often it's praised for it and it gets discussed like there's coherent parameters, limits or potential uses for these abilities.
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>>149435968
It's because Urobuchi is like that 13 year old that always has to play on god mode.
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>>149435968
Nasu comes up with all the powerlevels. Confirmed in the anime interviews. Urobuchi just wrote the story.
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>>149435968
You are seemingly underestimating KoH a fair bit. Everything it takes turns into a D rank if they don't have a rank of their own, which might sound bad, but it really isn't. Outside of KoH, hurting a Servant with a gun is impossible, but KoH turns the bullets into NPs, which is nice.
Also, do remember that if he grabs, say, Excalibur, it retains the rank (and doesn't become D), so in a 1v1 fight KoH is really good, as Lancelot could just steal the other Servant's NP and use it against them.
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>>149438359
If he managed to steal it. Most servants aren't going to just let you grab their weapon our if their hands.
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>>149438359
and he had a gatling gun and a clear shot on two servants and he still couldn't hit a thing
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Adding to that, he has to deal with the momentum of an attack as he's stealing it. Say Lancer thrust at his chest and he tries to grab it; the spear is gonna still keep going and pierce him, backed up by KoH not being instant and the guy holding it is continuing to push. And if reaches out while his foe is on the defensive they'll just cut his head off as he approaches.
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I think Gae Bold being B is more of a problem than anything else.
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The problem is Nasu went on the record early with saying a B rank Noble Phantasm is actually the average. So most Servants are going to have one and it's more a measure of if they have more of the same rank or above that makes them exceptional.
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"Don't think too hard about it." - Nasu
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This series' powerlevels are based on rock paper scissors. That said, there's only a few instances where one guy has the perfect answer to the other guy's attack (at least in mainline)
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