Schwarzesmarken / Total Eclipse / Muv Luv

>>149414738
Any price. Healed Beato is worth it.

>>149414738
Those tits are rude.

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>>149414947
Like her personality, they are on surface, but are incredibly soft in actuality.

Wasting fluffy hair on moderate scum who's also rude to Pham should be a crime punishable by whipping.

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At least she got to live in one route.

Since the Waifuwars seem to have reignited:

Best SM girl?
Worst SM girl?
Does Beatrix deserve to die no matter what?

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>>149414795
ANY price?

>>149415413
ANY price.

>>149415396

Beatrix
Katja
No

>>149415396
This>>149415462.

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>>149415396
It wont start yet. Some posters were simply testing the ground seeing what kind of response they would get.

Not enough fuel for the fire and they may have switched sides now.

Any chance the VN will be translated?

So the Lisefag that hated Beatrix in the last post was samefagging time after time didn't he?

It is impossible for someone that isn't an animeonly to hate Beatrix now that Martyrs is out, it was even hard before that Beatrix's way was proven to be the right one by history.

>>149415396
Lise
Suzy
No

>>149415630
>So the Lisefag that hated Beatrix in the last post was samefagging time after time didn't he?
Nah, there is a couple of them. The "Beatrix had to die for Lise to be happy" argument has been floating around for at least three threads. But they only got so vitriolic in the last one.

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>>149415675
It's all just shitposting in the end though, majority of the Lisefags, me included don't hated Beatrix at all. I could use evidence from Requiem or some shit but actual autstic faggots won't listen anyway. Lise is best girl, but I can apperciate Beatrix just the same.

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>>149415456
ANY PRICE?

>>149415766
ANY PRICE.

>>149415605
Degica has already said that they will translate it, but Photonmelodies and Photonflowers comes first.

Probably late 2017/ early 2018 being optimistic (and talking about the first VN, not Martyrs).

>>149415396
Sylwia
Gretel
Not really

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>>149415320
Pham is okay, she knows she just needs to bury Simone in her chest and spoil her. Pham-nee loves you as you are. Pham will accept all - your hate, and also your love.

>>149414738
those tits look delicious. Does anyone else feel like slicing them off and roasting them over a fire?

>>149416846
Shut the fuck up, Battler.

>>149416846
Pretty sure i already read that doujin.

Can someone here explain how they read through all of muv luv?
I get its supposed to be just something necessary for mech action later on shiz but the first part of muv luv is literal garbage.

>>149417052
>he thinks doujins for german muv luv exist

>>149417138
>Can someone here explain how they read through all of muv luv?
We held fast, lad. We know its necessary to understand the characters properly and make the later ride more wild.
>but the first part of muv luv is literal garbage.
It was stale, by the numbers, generic Romcom in 2003 when it came out. It was also bait to mess with the fans. You think they expected the cutesy generic romcom to turn into suffering, sacrifice and badass mech battles?

>>149417175
Not like i intended a doujin of muvluv...

>>149417175
>he doesn't know there are doujin of german moprub

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sm_dH00wvHVnrzTjd-p7KfhQy1hPNBdj4DwUtUkDLyQ/edit

wow, 7 pages

>>149417138
Fun fact that the first part was the most sold VNs of 2003.

>>149417516
theres like one which doesnt count

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Yuzuka > Kirke

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>>149415396
Beatrix
Katia
no. its a smile that must be protected!

>>149415675
>The "Beatrix had to die for Lise to be happy"

Lise would have never met her onii-chan again if it wasn't for Beato. Funny how they fail to mention this.

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>>149417955
>its a smile that must be protected!
Bea and Iris a cute!

>>149415961
We will get a kickstarter for it? Any hope we get additional routes as stretch goal?

>>149418039
>We will get a kickstarter for it?
Wasn't it apart of the first one?
>Any hope we get additional routes as stretch goal?
You'd be lucky enough to get a translation that doesn't butcher the story through localization.

>>149418024
They discard it as simple, coldblooded manipulation, with the goal to corrupt her further and use her. For them, whether Lise is being pimped out by Axmann or not is irrelevant. Bea is as evil as Axmann for not freeing Lise from the Stasi. As if she had that much freedom of action in the first place and existed independently from the chain of command.

>>149418233
>it funny though. we beato fags were betrayed just like beato by a person we considered ally.

>>149418233
>>149418317
I'd rather not generalize, but I don't believe most Lisefriendos are anti-Beatrix.

>>149418359
Its just a couple of them, but they are quite loud. And full of vitriol, for they apparently didn't like playing nice for 8 months.

>>149418417
I think it's just a different population during "night" time /a/. There was someone asking who was more charismatic, Beatrix or Katia, and the only two responses were for the latter.

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>>149417138
You were fooled.

So you read all three in order, right? Extra, Unlimited, and then Alternative, right?

Now back and reread Extra.

The truth was staring at you the whole time.

>>149417753
>being this wrong

One day that axe is going to swing back and hit her in the eye.

Speaking of which, was this LN piece in glorious HD in Martyrs?

>>149418486
as a beto fag don't respond to stupid questions like that that are obviously bait.

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>>149418527
>hit her in the eye
She's not that stupid anon.

>>149418486
It would be interesting to see how the different X-fags are distributed are geographically distributed. Maybe a pattern would appear. Like how the chinks are apparently the most Bea friendly for example.

>>149418637
it would be also interesting what age group people are.

>>149418637
>>149418679
MfS pls

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>>149414738
>What price are you willing to pay to save in the name of true love?
>save in the name of true love?

What price are you willing to pay to learn primary school level grammar and sentence structure?

>>149418721
you must be new here.

>>149418721
The one where your over a decade late to comment on that.

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>>149418692
Know your place comrade, its all for the greater good of these threads.

>>149415396
Gretel
Suzy
Not really

>>149419040
Why do you like Gretel?

Just curious.

>>149417753
Hime cut is a slut's hairstyle.

>>149419225
>Commanding but cute
>Long, dark hair
>Megane
>Perfect tits and ass

>>149419316
What about her job? What's your opinion on that?

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Just wanted to point this out, but Master (指導者) and Theo have the same exact text color in both TE and SM.

>>149419365
They also both have the exact same voice actor.

>>149417138
>>149417245
It's ironic that I'd kill for a SM Extra now. Ironic how that works, but Extra was originally conceived as, well extra; something to go after the plot is done and over with and to heal the audience's soul.

And we'll probably never get it now, and that makes it all the more unbearable. SM probably needs it more then even Alternative did (SMs seem to suffer far worst then any other Mabu Rabus).

I want to buy Latrova a birthday cake with an exaggerated amount of candles just to bully her.

Does anybody happen to have those high quality scans of Integral Works that were uploaded by /m/ tripfag Kiminozoguy a long time back?

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>>149419295
Do not bully my daughteru.

Does anyone have a full CG set for SF?

>>149419606
There's a set on sadpanda, but it's updated only incrementally. It should have a good chunk of the scenes.

>>149417537
Thank you.

When I get around to it again, I suppose I'll take my more chapter based works and post it someplace better then google docs.

>>149419529
Can't help you there. Have you checked his site though?

https://aaltomies.wordpress.com/

>>149419329
In such a dire time it's necessary to maintain morale and loyalty to the party, which is not only achieved by shooting people

This is, more or less, her line of work
http://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/nva01.htm

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>>149419649
>maintain morale and loyalty to the party,
Then I'm sorry, but unit morale was broken after she was seen in this classified picture from her stasi file.

>>149417138
Even large parts of Alternative are awful. Its pacing makes the cooking scenes in Fate look good.

Give a good reason to continue reading this crap. I've lost all interests already.

>>149419618
Sadly, it doesn't have the newest scenes, which are what I'm interested in.

>>149419713
>Give a good reason to continue reading this crap.
Nah

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>>149419687
It's time for, dark haired girls with glasses OPERATING?

>>149419745
I see you've obtained another classified picture. Gretel is a shame to the DDR, carrying filthy capitalist gear like that.

>>149419702
So any ML have good pacing?

Was SM good in this regard.

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>>149419790
>Was SM good in this regard.

>>149419818
I was talking about the VNs.

I take that as a no.

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>>149415396
So many! But Pham is best of all. Still, I would pick up many if I could and hold them all!

Worst? I'd have to say it's between Gretel and Suzy, probably Gretel being worst. I haven't been able to get to Iris route yet so can't say what what on Simone, except she seems mean and another person who like those who used to make Pham cry.

And no, Beatrix never deserved to die at all.

>>149418637
>>149418679
Because Stasi Pham would be neat to see, I'll answer you Stasi-san.

There's only a few of us Phamfags. Don't think there's really any pattern.

American.

Nearly 30.

>>149419818
What an ugly girl!
I bet no boy would ever love her!

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>>149419871
Y-yeah!

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>>149419781
The closest I could get
Yes, it's that East German rifle, the STG-940

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>>149419365
It probably is him to be honest, but considering it hasn't been outright confirmed, and there are a few naggling issues and all (probably caused by Master being known first than Theo). But wouldn't be surprised if they are one and the same. Can't be too sure though.

In addition to shared CQC proficiency, they both also seem to like doing hand gestures.

>>149419629
That's just his personal blog, he doesn't have any download links for anything there.

>>149420482
I remembered otherwise, but still, my mistake.

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Who /NVA/ here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7xheqogpJU

anyone knows where i could find requiem? i tried searching for the past hour and only found ded links

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>>149415413
I want to protect that smile.

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>>149421358
>Anon, I'm pregnant

>>149421358
Sleeping beauty was a TSF pilot, who knew?

Did Theo fuck her while she was unconscious? We all know he can't contain his spaghetti well.

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>>149421390
>Pregnant Iris

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PACT PRIDE WORLDWIDE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpzcU0wsKac

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>>149421595
>Please take responsibility

>>149421772
>not taking responsibility
Literally gayer than Yuuya

>>149421848
She won't find me.

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>>149421707
https://youtu.be/7BnrsZoa-qM?t=20s

>game has no auto function
What is this shit

>>149414738
>Best girls getting the shaft
Something about Beatrix turns me on so much. Her hair, her bod, eyes.

>>149422339
The best girls already sell well so of course they would push the worst ones now

>>149422372
They've been pushing the worst ones for months

The anime was a mistake
Katia's route was a mistake

>>149422080
>not Три танкиста
That song was about the battle of Khalkhyn Gol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKW6vDoXk04

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>>149422423
they just wanted to cash in before they fade away. Beato and Iris still have a chance with BiS. and maybe they could do routes for BiS too. maybe Beato, Iris and this girl in the picture route. Iris route would ofcourse be non-romantic protect the sister type.

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>>149422643
>Iris route would ofcourse be non-romantic protect the sister type.
>can't get a romantic Iris route in the SoL story

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>>149422879
>BiS
>SoL

>>149422643
>Iris route would ofcourse be non-romantic protect the sister type.
Iris route turns out to be canon

Of course, we all know that Beatrix technically was the winner of the Jurgenbowl. They come off a little like star cross lovers, and the very first line of BiS has Jurgen recounting the first time he heard Beatrix's name. Jurgen just ended up netting the bad end. Everything else that follows is what happens when you let your jealous rival win.

>>149423213
>star cross lovers
There relationship was kind of iffy/rocky for a while. Still, probably the truest Muv-Luv style romance in SM.

>>149420690
damn it. only found Chinese versions.

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Will Irisdina Bernhard ever learn the taste of love?

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>>149415734
>>149418233
It seems as if Beatrix does care, she's just very awkward and not good at being nice. She orders Farka to stay by Lise's side and keep her safe in both the VN and LN when she notices Lise's head starting to come undone. She probably figures that Farka is way better for Lise's mental health then she is herself (and she can't watch over Lise with everything going on).

Still, her reaction to Lise's death is underwhelming (in an, oh, she died sort of way).

The thing with Beatrix is is that she's so ambiguous and subtle that she's difficult to read. Every action she does can be looked at in different lights, and she's the most complex character in SM, so the interpretation of her being a shit person is just as viable.

>>149423721
>She orders Farka to stay by Lise's side and keep her safe in both the VN and LN when she notices Lise's head starting to come undone
The exact wording might be nice to know. As it can blow the counterargument that Farka is merely a leash out of the water.

>The thing with Beatrix is is that she's so ambiguous and subtle that she's difficult to read.
One could see this as an attempt to please everyone, from the "tragic heroine" fags, myself included. , to the "none eviler" crowd. It damaged her marketability quite a bit though, since many won't touch anything related to her.

>>149424000
>One could see this as an attempt to please everyone
I don't think it is. Irisdina's route wouldn't be spoilered to friendzone Theo in that case. It's just poor decisions stacked on top of each other.

>>149424099
I only meant relating to how one interprets Beatrix. Some people really wanted her to be a Bond Villain or a monster to be heroically slain by the hero. And won't let go despite BiS and the Iris route.

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>>149424099
It just goes to prove that Iris is a brocon. It's nothing personal, it's just like how anyone's romantic chances with Lise are nill if you aren't her onii-chan.

>>149424353
>It just goes to prove that Iris is a brocon
No, I think it has to do more with "love = death" theme SM has going. Iris doesn't really die in routes where she keeps Theo at an arms reach.

>>149424000
I'd have to find it in Volume VI (Chink) but the context is is after capturing the 666th, Beatrix is talking to Lise. Eventually, she mentions something about Theo (she said that his capture is not important and that he'd likely not fight against them), which prompts Lise to make a request to chase down and capture Theo and Katia. Beatrix then notices that Lise looks like she's going crazy, so she calls Farka over and tells Lise that she can have Theo and that Farka will help her, but Lise must first do the mission she was ordered to do (interrogate the 666th). Lise then angsts about how long Theo can keep resisting them until Beatrix finally takes back her offer for amnesty.

Do note that they went with the anime version of the scene in Katia's route (no Farka at all).

It's never outright stated that she does this because she wants to protect Lise, but looking at Farka's personality type, it's looking like Beatrix wanted Lise to lean on her or something.

>>149424419
Except Iris never loved Theo in that way, even in her own route. Katia has chances with Theo, but the circumstances kind of bury the possibility for the time being so they're just good friends. The only time romance really happened was in Lise's route, and she was saved by it.

Did Pham died?

>>149424500
>The only time romance really happened was in Lise's route, and she was saved by it.
LN spoilers say she likes him, and since the LN is Katia's route, and the only route where she dies, I'd say that's the time where she genuinely loved him.

I haven't seen any spoilers for Lise's route where Iris loves Theo. Are there any links for that?

>>149424602
I was talking about romance in SM in general, and the only time it actually happened was in Lise's route.

>LN spoilers say she likes him
Don't do that. Yeah, she likes him, but as a friend.

>>149424432
>>149424000
OK, found it. I forgot just how charismatic and "nice" LN Beatrix could be (but I still prefer VN Beatrix even if it was less realistic, just because she always seems so much more broken and genuine when she was being nice vs the more manipulative LN version; it was always a heartbreaking joy to see her caustic facade crack a little, whereas you don't really ever get that in the LN so much).

　随后,身着史塔西样式强化装备的卫士跑来。
　在贝阿特里克斯面前停下,然后正姿,准备承受什么般僵硬地报告。
「丽姿·霍恩斯坦因中尉,即刻起回归『狼人』战术机大队!」
　贝阿特里克斯喜笑颜开地点了点头。温柔地用指尖抚摸眼前的卫士━━丽姿的秀发。
「此前的特别任务辛苦你了。由于你掌握了柏林派的行动,我们才能抓住这个机会━━谢啦」
「非常感谢,少校同志」
「第666战术机中队的情报收集任务也辛苦了。虽说也有协力者的功绩在,但若没有你充当诱饵,大概就没这等成果了」
　为了奇袭第666战术机中队并捕获爱丽丝蒂娜,在第666战术机中队的整备班和赫兹非德基地安插了许多协力者。但他们是作为通常潜入者<Sleeper>送进去的,并没有加于收集情报的任务或是报告义务。给他们的命令只有1个━━那就是在决胜负之时协助史塔西,不在那时行动的人将视作叛徒进行处分。他们完全作为个沉睡者<Sleeper>,在那天到来前受命沉眠。组织固是如此,只要地下活动的反体制派没有审查权,就无法审问对方,也就难以揭发潜入者。
　另外,若是有着独特魅力的爱丽丝蒂娜准许使用非法暴力,组织或是会转变成信奉爱丽丝蒂娜的过激派。不会那样行事的爱丽丝蒂娜所能做的,仅仅是警戒被怀疑的潜入者,对他们是避之不及━━莫斯科派如此分析。
　再加上━━将谁都能简单想到的史塔西鹰犬安插到了部队里━━爱丽丝蒂娜为保护自己而不得不将她当作目标。
　第666战术机中队的实际行动也有如所料。包含提奥多尔在内的卫士注意力都集中到了丽姿这个诱饵上面去了,对本该注意的的其他协力者却放松了警惕。爱丽丝蒂娜和华特或许察觉到了那个危险性,但正值BETA猛烈攻势下的大决战,不能去猜疑整备班打乱统率━━为此,只能冒着风险维持现状。让他们产生错觉,以为史塔西内部决裂背后被偷袭的可能性就减少了。
　只要引开爱丽丝蒂娜对史塔西注意的诱饵发挥着作用,就没有问题。但,以第666战术机中队的战斗能力为傲━━被周围追捧的她,意图谋求更大的成果在行动。所以才会被自己绊倒,丽姿如此认为。
　如果莫斯科派投入MIG-27而没能在短时间内击溃柏林派的战术机部队,他们没准还有机会━━但,连柏林派都没有预想到的事态,爱丽丝蒂娜他们也不可能会在事前掌握,结果就是第666战术机中队抵挡不住「狼人」大队的奇袭。
　爱丽丝蒂娜率第666战术机中队完成BETA中央集团的歼灭任务,入手了救国英雄的称号。就那意义上可以说是尽善其职了。但,那就是她的极限了━━围绕中队的状况,已经不是爱丽丝蒂娜个人力量能处理的程度了━━。她追求的点点滴滴成功,也可以说是通向毁灭的单程票。越是接近她的愿望,死神的力量也就越强。
　窥视眼前这位长官的眼瞳。她随时都能让爱丽丝蒂娜身首异处。只不过,在最大的成果来临前玩玩而已。丽姿被贝阿特里克斯的强烈意志所震慑。
「协力者也对自己完成了职责感到安心了吧」
　是的,少校同志━━丽姿流畅地回答贝阿特里克斯的讽刺。她脸上满布愁云━━贝阿特里克斯柔声继续。
「提奥多尔·艾伯巴赫和凯蒂亚·瓦尔特海姆的捕获失败不用在意。捕获爱丽丝蒂娜就是很大的战果了━━如此一来,反体制派就无法利用第666战术机中队的名号了」
「…………」
「把爱丽丝蒂娜当作人质,其他卫士也无从抵抗━━即使国家人民军和反史塔西势力策划反攻,失去象征的他们就有破绽了━━不是吗?」
「是的……」
「你以后就跟随大队为我做事吧。分队跟以前一样━━」
　如是而言的贝阿特里克斯用眼神示意了下在旁待命的小个子卫士。
「和法璐卡<注1>一组。她和你相处时间也不短,可以弥补彼此的不足去战斗」
　丽姿缓和表情点点头。
「要说的就这些了。明天以后的作战会追加指示的」
「是━━请问可以拜托件事吗」
　丽姿试探性地盯着贝阿特里克斯。贝阿特里克斯无言地点头催她继续。

>>149424667
>Yeah, she likes him, but as a friend.
I'm not saying it was set in stone love, but do friends really want to live together on an isolated cabin? I'm just saying there's more than just a professional workplace connection there.

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>>149424683

「……请让我,参加哥哥的追缉任务」
　贝阿特里克斯单眉上挑。丽姿继续道。
「这是自己的天真招来的失误。应该由我来解决。可以吗━━」
「再见面的时候,和他谈话?」
「是的」
「━━需要增援的话,会第一时间通知你的。那样可以吧?」
「……好的」
「我之后要和相得无间的同级生聊聊近况。那回头见」
　贝阿特里克斯说完挥了挥手,转身背对丽姿她们。丽姿和法璐卡一齐敬礼目送她。
　待贝阿特里克斯从视野中消失后,见丽姿怀着各种想法沉默下来,法璐卡忍耐着什么般问道。
「前辈,没事吧……?」
「嗯,没事━━别担心」

<注1:法璐卡(Farkaファルカ)原本用法卡的,读着看着像男人就加个璐上去比较像女孩子的名字.日文特有的英文辅音r读lu,这么写也没差>


　丽姿的内心却是和她说的截然相反。
　法璐卡从丽姿到「狼人」大队赴任后就和她一组了,在丽姿被提拔为第2中队指挥官后,也一直作为中队副官支援着丽姿。她也把丽姿当作前辈尊敬着。
　可是,丽姿和法璐卡也只是部下和长官的关系。她不会愚蠢地因为仰慕自己这种理由而去相信别人。
　眼前的法璐卡难保不是贝阿特里克斯为了对自己怀柔,而让她扮演为长官着想的部下这种角色。
「……我想确认下我的MIG-23状态,你能去拿下资料吗?」
「好的」
　法璐卡点了下头后,有什么想说似得看了看丽姿,随后甩掉那想法般小跑而去。
　目送那个背影,丽姿用险恶的视线看着头顶━━被提奥多尔的MIG-21撞破的格纳库天花板。飘落的雪花落到丽姿的脸颊上缓缓融化。
「为了我的幸福……」
　看着史塔西样式强化装备包覆的手掌━━或许已经永远失去他了。一旦自己再次穿上这身被诅咒的黑衣,自己就只能追随贝阿特里克斯作为史塔西卫士走下去。
　只不过,觉悟在最初就已经做好了。在对他提出向西德流亡的提案被拒绝,在先前和要塞级作战中目睹提奥多尔和爱丽丝蒂娜斩不断的羁绊时起。从理解哥哥无论是否能达成那个约定,都会一直心系爱丽丝蒂娜的那个瞬间起。
　自己确信。只要有爱丽丝蒂娜在,自己就无法获得幸福。心灵也绝对无法获得救赎。只要那个女的不消失,提奥多尔就不会对自己回心转意。
　被这种想法刺激,造就了现在在这里的自己。我们成功捕获爱丽丝蒂娜,掌握了她的命运。
　但另一方面,感受到了强烈、揪心的后悔感。在提奥多尔醒悟前,自己应该直接杀掉爱丽丝蒂娜的。在此基础上再去说服哥哥,让他意识到不见踪影的爱丽丝蒂娜人生安全,没准就会顺从自己。
　但不知为何,却是没那么做━━正因如此,自己才会按照和贝阿特里克斯商量好的,擒获爱丽丝蒂娜,然后再动摇提奥多尔。
　结果,自己让爱丽丝蒂娜对提奥多尔说了推动他的话━━以致拘捕哥哥和凯蒂亚失败。
　事到如今,已是不能重来。这样下去提奥多尔就会被当作反体制派一员被史塔西抓获,到自己触手不及的地方去。必须要在演变成那样前,做个了结。虽然贝阿特里克斯对自己有恩情,但只有那点绝不让步。为此,即使是要利用贝阿特里克斯和法璐卡也在所不惜。
　所以━━丽姿感受着头上吹来的冷冽寒风,满含决议地低喃道。
「肯定,会找到你的,欧尼酱」

>>149424712
When you can feel your life slipping away and some friend of yours is spilling his guts out about how much he loves you(but not enough to take you to a hospital), it's understandable if you'd rather let him feel a little bit better and acknowledge it as a nice idea.

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>>149424784
Wtf I hate Iris now

What kind of dress would look good on Farka?

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>>149424683

>贝阿特里克斯喜笑颜开地点了点头。温柔地用指尖抚摸眼前的卫士━━丽姿的秀发。
Beatrix nodded with a smile and gently stroked Lise's hair with her fingertips.

Can we all agree now that the anime was a mistake?

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>>149424960

>>149424960
Sundress
>>149424973
>Can we all agree now that the anime was a mistake?
>now

>>149424973
>Can we all agree now that the anime was a mistake?

i knew that after first episode strafe scene.

>>149425043
Yeah, but just like always, age gives precedence to the anime. They've even gone back and changed things to better fit with anime changes with pasts works just because ixtl wants the anime crowd.

I mean, I can't be the only one who noticed the huge difference between pre-anime Crest of Blood and post-anime Martyrs, can I?

>>149425148
>Yeah, but just like always, age gives precedence to the anime.
This wouldn't be a problem if the anime was good and also not blatant advertising material.

>>149425148
>I mean, I can't be the only one who noticed the huge difference between pre-anime Crest of Blood and post-anime Martyrs, can I?
You aren't.

>>149425198
It wasn't. They even cut Farka and the above scene and changed a lot else in Katia's route so that it would match up with the anime. But then, they ended up just pushing it into the other two routes, but it's still weird that it isn't a word for word adaption of the LNs when the first game was.

>>149425329
>It wasn't.
It was. Standard Watanabe modus operandi of mashing all the routes together.

There is no reason to draw elements of all the routes and then claim you are not advertising Martyrs with it.

>>149425329
>It wasn't. They even cut Farka and the above scene and changed a lot else in Katia's route so that it would match up with the anime.
Trying to salvage the anime's reputation by making it more "accurate"?

>>149423669
she learned it well, i'm sure she smelled all her onii-chan used tissue.

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>>149426047
Delet this

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So were these two separated at birth or something?

>>149420482
He does have download links there, like that Gundam Wing sidestory Seeing he worked with the Kickstarter, he was probably told to take the link down.

>>149426289
I want to cum in both of them.

>>149421571
>Did Theo fuck her while she was unconscious?
he doesn't have the balls

Any recaps of the stream yesterday? I missed it.

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ベアトリクス・ブレーメ少佐というとアニメでは、悪墜ちしたなのは様という感じでしたよね。
小説の隻影のベルンハルトでは乙女な所を描かれているのでとても可愛いですな。柴犬はどうしてあんなになったとか言いたくなる状態ですな。
愛してるよ、ベアト…

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>>149415396
>Best SM girl
Lise
>Worst SM girl
I honestly don't dislike any of them but I guess I favor Suzy the least
>did Beatrix deserve to die no matter what
No, if you want to get rid of a person or stop them and have the means then a jail cell or assigning them to a confined compound until further notice is enough.

I want to pretend to give _____ a ring and throw it in the river the moment I see hopeful and blushing look in her eyes and telling her that she isn't worth it.

I want to tickle Beatrix just to see how she reacts.

>>149415396
Lise
Beatrix
Not deserve it, but killing her was justifiable and I don't hold it against Theo that he wanted to and did kill her.

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>>149427600

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>>149427600
I want to tickle adult Bea in her office, and then take her virginity while she's in a weakened state.

>>149427688
what is in those pictures?

>>149427801
Fuck, I'm sleepy and cannot into reading comprehension. Disregard this post.

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What is Kasumi for?

>>149427907
Cleaning toilets.

>>149428141
but anon-kun, she is the toilet.

>>149427907
She's for telling people fapping to dead slavs to knock it off.

>>149427907
Freak

>>149415396
Irisdina she did the right thing when she handed Lise over to axmann again to torture that little whore. She shouldn't dirty her hands with such trash axmann is perfect for it.

Lise. she is just a psychopath whore who fucked countless men and now wants to infect her brother with syphilis. maybe she is so deranged because she has syphilis. she is basically crazy in every route in VN. Truly the worst girl of SM and the biggest whore.

Yes. She is too stupid.

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>>149428213

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>>149428192
So she's pointless

>>149428213
>and the award for worst shitpost in the thread goes to

Would you bully Iris' posse to protect teen Beato?

>>149428313
Oh, so it's ok when Lisefags bully Beatrix then?

>>149428359
Beatrix needs to be protected from her dad, she can handle some bullies just fine.

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>>149428377
I have condoned no such bullying.

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Even if she is a secondary, Gretel will always be the main heroine of my heart

>>149428268
>>149428313

Lise is the worst girl. she has no beliefs of her own so she is no martyr. all she has is muh onii-chan and if he rejects her she goes into psycho mode and starts killing everything that crosses her path. And she fucked half of DDR and probably enjoyed it. She deserved everything she got from torture to rape that's the only way to deal with crazy. I'm just pissed that Axmann went so easy on her.

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>>149415396
Katia or Lise, I can't choose for certain anymore.
Beatrix
Define. Beatrix is fundamentally kind of a shifty person, but I can see her being decent under different circumstances. As far as SM is concerned? Yeah, she needed to die for what she did.

So, did our resident BR now hates Lise?

Wouldn't it be cute if someone tripped Simone and she landed with her face on the asphalt?

>>149428677
>now
He shitposts pretty much everygirl.

Iris just catches the brunt.

>>149428677
The usual bait doesn't work anymore and he's experimenting. Hell he used to call Suzy the best until it stopped working.

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>>149428654
>die for what she did.

And what did she do exactly?

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>>149428677
>now
He's just a dumb troll who attacks literally every girl. It was kind of funny to see that one time he broke after somebody pointed out to him that Katia's a blonde too.

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>>149428591
Theres so much wrong with that post I don't even know where to begin so I'll just put as much thought into this post as you did yours and call you a retard.

>>149417537
>waffle syrup
is this an actual thing people use

>>149428751
Being too sexy. That's a crime worse than genocide.

>>149428719
>>149428753
His main target used to be Iris and sometimes Gretel

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>>149428751
I've talked about it again and again and I really have no interest in doing it right now. Try later.

>>149428422
Her father just wanted her to be the perfect little slave to the state. It's her fault she didn't get with the program.

>>149428759
that's because you can't refute anything since everything i wrote is true.

>>149428825
You sure prove him wrong

>>149428864
Thanks, I put a lot of effort into that post.

>>149428860
A claim made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Stop posting, this is your last (You).

>>149428825
i'm still laughing at that Avant-garde like quality-

>>149428591

It is true that anyone pretending to make us believe she did nothing wrong uses the same mental gymnastics to justify Beatrix's actions. In the story Lise is just as cold, manipulative and sadistic as Beatrix.

Lise as a character can only be defended from the point of view of Theo, which is, loving her as a waifu, she killed as many people in screen as Beatrix did, knowingly and sadistically, and I don't believe her crocodile tears, even if Axmann tortured her she definately had that dark side in her all along, she enjoyed killing, she is not better than Beatrix who did what she did for what she thought was the greater good.

They may both be shitty people but at least Beato had motivations and was an active character in the story, unlike the other luvs she didn't have a wonderful prince to save her like Katja, Iris and Lise did.

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Can we all just love girls instead of hating them?
I still maintain Anett and Farka should be like sisters, if SM Extraverse would ever happen (which is unlikely, but a guy can dream)
>Anett/Farka/Inghild trio shenanigans never

>>149428825
You just don't know what to write since there is nothing you can write.

>>149428965
Nah. You can literally look at the thread we had just before this one.

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>>149428860
>everything i wrote is true

>muh ixtl bogeyman
Okay you newfag dipshits, shut the fuck up because you are stupid.

The original version of MLU is full of things that are either retconned (eg. ammo counts) or completely fucking ignored thereafter.
Kiminozo's updated version had a new scenario based on the OVA
Total Eclipse was constantly rewritten between the magazine serialization and compilation releases in later volumes because Yoshimune is a shit writer, and the last LN volume was in limbo for eons because he was spending all his time doing the rewrite for the anime and game instead

It's like this because the dipshit in charge likes anime more than ADV games to start with and is incapable of leaving a story alone instead of adding in whatever thing he feels like is cool now (bonus if you can cram in some more girls while you're at it). Having a rights holding company that 99% consists of employees shuffled to another company to play a financial shell game didn't create that.

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>>149428912

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>>149428759

Than tell me what beliefs Lise had? she had none. She is selfish and looks out only for herself. If her brother rejects her she would rather see him dead than with anyone else. After he refuses her she goes and kills Katia proving she is just a psycho bitch.

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So how did pretty much every writefag predict vegetable Lise in some way?

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>>149415396
>Best SM girl?
Lise

>Worst SM girl?
Beatrix

>Does Beatrix deserve to die no matter what?
You mean is her death justifiable? Yes.
She deserves it for her actions, not who she is like others claim. Just because she's a garden variety sociopath, does not mean that she automatically deserves death.

>>149428751
She wanted to suicide everyone in the DDR. There's also her contributing to the shit situation that produced the rebellion, and that ultimately led to the collapse of East Germany. She's also the main instigator of many of the crimes we see in SM. She isn't forced or being ordered to, it's all on her.

She doesn't even have Lise's excuse that she was mindbroken after intensive torture. After joining the stasi, she become evil on her own.

But the main reason I hate her is because she manipulates Lise into having to choose between serving her and helping her brother. She put Lise in the situation that made her mind totally fracture, then she discards Lise afterwards. She doesn't give a shit about anybody but herself and her ideals, and will even take delight in watching other people die.

>>149428994
All i can see is your whining that she didn't care for Lise like she is someone everyone should care for deeply and fulfill her very whim even if it means everything else will go to shit because of it. You are pathetic and selfish.

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>>149429209
>She wanted to suicide everyone in the DDR.
Wow, this sounds suspiciously like those years old animesuki spoilers that were proven wrong.
>There's also her contributing to the shit situation that produced the rebellion, and that ultimately led to the collapse of East Germany. She's also the main instigator of many of the crimes we see in SM. She isn't forced or being ordered to, it's all on her.
Hmmm.

>>149429158
Shinoa is for rape.

>>149429247
Okay, you're clearly not interested in a dialogue at all. Glad I was right to ignore you.

>>149429293
>Wow, this sounds suspiciously like those years old animesuki spoilers that were proven wrong.
That's literally what she's all about. She hates the DDR so much she wants to kill everybody in it, she's a bad person.

>>149414738
I want to cum on those defeated tits.

>>149429348
>That's literally what she's all about.
It isn't, and clearly with Martyr's release and months of LN spoilers being posted you haven't been convinced otherwise. I'd recommend you either read the material or drop it.

>>149429209

You mean sacrificing what? 100.000 people at best to save all of Europe which was completely destroyed? You mean her stupid plan that could have saved tens of millions of lifes?

Nah, Yuuko proved Beatrix right 20 years later and every other option is selfish waifufaggotry.

It looks like Beatrix as a character is in a more realistic plane of existence as the other moeblobs.

>>149429387
Can you please practice what you preach?

>>149429293
>animesuki
Those spoilers say:

>Axman, he's the guy from the stasi that appears in chapter 2, which is translated. He doesn't want the two Germany's to join forces, and as such cripples every event that may trigger such a result. This is something I haven't mentioned before since I haven't read much into it, but he more or less was working for Beatrix, and their plan from what I understood, was to evacuate west Germany to Australia, and they even had some sort of security minister to come to Germany at sometime to initiate it. Am not sure if they wanted to leave east Germany for the dead and use it as a shield to evacuate the west, or that their plan also included evacuating them. However, the thing I know is that they wanted to abandon their country, one way or another, and they also wanted communism to keep thriving.

>>149429348
>>149429209
Going full war mode and fighting with everything you got and introduce new technologies as fast as you can is not the same as suicide. did you event attempt to read the VN or anything else besides watching the anime?

>>149429421
You heard it, folks, the BR is shilling Beatrix right now. Says all you need to know, really.

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>>149429135
You might as well be asking me what beliefs Bucky had when he got turned into the Winter Soldier, you're seriously missing the point of the character. But to humor you she believes in loyalty to family and love, in ridding the DDR of power hungry psychos like Axmann, and not letting herself and the last treasure she has left in the world be sacrificed like pawns in a pointless civil war or used as fodder for an evil country that took everything from them. You also clearly didn't play the VN or are just shitposting to believe what you posted. She always puts Theo first thats the point, its his survival that is most important not just being together with him. And the rebellion as far as her brainwashed stasimouto mind could tell was doomed to failure since the stasi can not be defeated outright. Now stop shitposting you dumbass.

>>149429472

You sound a lot like Theo right now, blaming your problems on a boogeyman.

>>149429429
Sure. Do you want to provide material that claims Beatrix wants to suicide everyone in the DDR, her being the main instigator, her becoming "evil", her not ever being ordered to act, her act of saving Lise being pure manipulation, her "discarding" Lise, her "not giving a shit about anybody but herself and her ideals" and her "taking delight in watching other people die."

Because that sounds like you watched the anime and are pretending that the source material depicts her the same. I kindly request you fuck off, or stop being a hypocrite. As you just stated, practice what you preach. Stop posting and go read the material.

>>149429466
Yes, fighting until you drop dead and sacrificing everybody to do that. Not very nice, I think.

>>149429558
that's not how it works idiot.

>>149429558

More people were lost for not following her plan that would have been sacrified to do it.

That would include Beatrix who would have gladly gave her life in the front, as you know, she practices what she preaches and you can't deny her that.

>>149429472
pretty sure he is shilling Lise and shitting on Beato fags so they would attack each other. remember everything started with some lise fag starting to shit on beato.

>>149429247
>fulfill her very whim even if it means everything else will go to shit because of it
Funnily enough everything actually turns out better than the alternatives for the most part when Lise gets her way.

>>149429421
>100.000 people at best to save all of Europe which was completely destroyed?
There were a couple million people in East Germany at the time.

>Nah, Yuuko proved Beatrix right 20 years later
How?

>It looks like Beatrix as a character is in a more realistic plane of existence as the other moeblobs.
What are you talking about?

People still respond to animeonlies?

>>149429726
No, it's because you Beatrixfags attacked our route. We're sick of hearing you put down Theo, and we're following our waifu and protecting him. Many of us are finally waking up to the fact that Beatrix is just as great an enemy to Lise as Axmann, only instead of overt torture, she uses manipulation to get what she wants from Lise. In either case, Lise is still shackled to the stasi, dancing to Beatrix's strings so long as she is alive.

>>149429814
Fuck off to /jp/ or /lit/ or whatever.

Lise and Sylwia make a mockery of Beatrix's tragic backstory. Even Iris is tragic, but she learns from her mistake and tries to become a better person unlike Beatrix, who uses it as an excuse to become worse and worse.

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>>149429866

Girls are lesser beings so they're all shit.

>>149430026
Go away, BR.

>>149430032
>those dicksucking lips
Go ahead, tell me she's pure and virginal again.

>>149429814
VN reinvigorated discussion. That includes the shitflingging.

>>149429866
>No, it's because you Beatrixfags attacked our route
You have to admit that some thing feel like cop outs and reek of bad writing. But well, Lise does deserve her happy end more than anyone else, so lets leave it at that.

>>149429933
You forgot your >.

>>149429866

So you had that shocking revelation just because some idiot attacked the route?

I mean, was he upset because she died in every single route and Theo backstabbed her? Either way, Beatrix had to die because the plot demands it, such is the nature of prequels and I think most beatofags know that.

>>149429866
Saying we liked one route better than other is just a matter of opinion and preference. Its not shitting on anyone. You are just like libtards if you don't agree with us we will shit on you and even lie. And i don't know why you are so protective of Theo he is a shitty person he even kills Lise in one route and in other he just plainly abandons her which leads to her killing herself.

> dancing to Beatrix's strings so long as she is alive.
and this statement proves you understand nothing and don't really know what you are talking about.

stay mad retard.

>>149428912
Beatrix and Lise's situations are not comparable in the slightest, Lise went through far worse and had nowhere near as much agency or significant choice let alone anyway to resist Axmann getting inside her head with literal brainwash and turning her into whatever he wants her to be. On top of that defending Beatrix while throwing Lise under the bus is hilariously disconnected with reality and makes you lose all credibility.

>>149430133
I won't defend Theo in the other routes, but I will in Lise's route. He's a good guy by then end, and killing Beatrix was apart of his growth into a better person.

>>149430124
>Either way, Beatrix had to die because the plot demands it,
She died because she had to be stopped. She was a bad person, right behind Axmann on the list of needed to die.

>>149430287
No, see here's where I think the line needs to be unblurred and clearly defined.

No one is doubting Theo does a good thing by going so far for Lise. If they are, you can ignore them.

The problem here is that after defecting to the Werewolves for Beatrix, he betrays Beatrix and uses the Werewolves to get himself to where Lise is located. These people sacrifice themselves for the red man and he just kinda ignores that. This brushes a lot of people wrong, including me, and I'm an Irisfag.

I won't deny that it's good Lise gets a happy ending, but I would be hard-pressed to claim his betrayal of Beatrix after hearing Katia's speech is "growth". It's more like his original paranoid personality cropping up and doing what he has to for survival.

>>149430437
Don't forget that the gun he uses to save Lise is the gun that Beatrix gives him at the very beginning of the route as a sign of trust. It's very fucked up when you think about how he treated the Werewolves, but I guess it's alright because they're evil and he's good.

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>>149430437
That's not a 'problem'. He was letting himself get strung along by Beatrix until Katia helped him find himself again and save Lise without falling in with the Stasi. It was really nice, and honestly it was one of the best moments Katia had in all three routes.

>>149430437
>The problem here is that after defecting to the Werewolves for Beatrix,
He defected for Lise. He and Beatrix are incompatible to the core, the Lise-route just drives that point home. Even in the Iris-route, he feels more pity for Iris for having had "such a friend" and not for the dying woman who just threw everything away because the greater good demanded it.

>>149430437
>I won't deny that it's good Lise gets a happy ending, but I would be hard-pressed to claim his betrayal of Beatrix after hearing Katia's speech is "growth". It's more like his original paranoid personality cropping up and doing what he has to for survival.

It's him realizing he's wrong, and that he can save his imouto and still be a good person. It's him kicking fear and doubts to the curb, and doing what's right for once.

>>149430437
>he just kinda ignores that
He doesn't, Farka wanted to save Lise too and holds off the rebels to buy time for Theo to go in and rescue her. As for the "growth" after hearing Katia's speech you have to remember he was always aligned with the rebel's ideals, he joined the 101st for Lise not because he believed in Beatrix's plan, and with Lise out of the picture and sides for the civil war being drawn it became a clear cut choice for him.

>>149430656
You put a lot of emphasis on her giving him the gun as a sign of trust when she was giving him his standard issue sidearm that he would get regardless, as long as Beatrix could use Lise as leverage she knew Theo could be kept in line, for her to actually trust him at that point would be beyond idiotic.

Lisefags = Katiafags

>>149430806
>You put a lot of emphasis on her giving him the gun as a sign of trust
Why wouldn't you? People who defect aren't exactly typically armed and given a position in a renowned unit. Her giving him his wings, his debriefing, and a gun means she greatly trusts Lise's testimony, and by extension him.

>>149430822

Cockroaches that want to see Europe burn because of a petty love story.

>>149430871
It means she trusts he can be reliably controlled through Lise, not that she trust himself when clearly shows his distaste for her and her ideals.

>>149430822
>>149430884
>And just when you thought that BR is annoying enough, he gets a friend that plays along.

>>149430884
they are selfish. as seen by the reason why they started shitting.

>No, it's because you Beatrixfags attacked our route.

that's a petty reason. and as to why as a beatofag I disliked her route was that i felt there wasn't enough lise in it since she got captured and tortured and i disliked that.

>>149430937
Right, and if she didn't trust him at the very least amount required, she would not have handed him a gun. The other Werewolves were all shocked out how quickly he was placed into the unit. I'm telling you buddy, sometimes people don't have an ulterior motive. Beatrix has been trying to get Theo to defect long before Lise was directly in the picture.

>his distaste for her and her ideals.
That's another can of worms. He had a distaste for Iris as well, and I believe in time he could come around to following Beatrix. Of course, time just happens to be what the 101st does not have. (Martyrs takes place of about 7 days I believe)

>>149431041
and just wanted to say. thank you Lisefags for revealing your true face. I hate lise now for the same reason i hate Katia. because of their shortsighted fans.

>>149430937
Uh, no. It's hammered in in the VN that everything about Theo being let in so quickly is extremely out of the norm. Most of them have to go through a vetting period. And secondly, you might say that Beatrix has him by the balls, but most of the Werewolves have pasts that force them to work for the stasi. Schmidt himself constantly implies about Beatrix's connections to Jurgen/Iris in the past.

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>>149431130
>hating girls because of their fans

>>149431057
>long before Lise was directly in the picture.
Thats just blatantly false. And you're the one expecting some irrational ulterior motive when the only reliable reason why she would let him in is because of his connection to Lise.

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It looks like you are reenacting the actually story in this thread, what an unexpected betrayal.

Martyrs was a mistake.

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>>149431130
How very mature of you.

Why is Irisdina such a shitty friend and sister?

>>149431245
>Thats just blatantly false.
Directly, as in before Lise was in the 666th. Beatrix did in fact try to turn him.

>>149430122
She's pure and virginal.

This VN/anime has made me believe there is no such thing as hot evil women.

>>149431395
But she knew before that that Theo was her brother. And she promised her that they would be reunited. are you an anime only.

>>149430884
A petty love story is the source of Beatrix's woes, she believes she's carrying out her dead lover's will. A problem with Beafags is they uphold the notion Europe would have been saved under their plan when it was doomed either way. Beatrix wasn't necessarily wrong but her way wasn't the only way no matter how fervently she insists on it being so, support from the West is whats most important and the rebels had that at the end. Unfortunately we'll never get to see how Bea's plan would have worked out because it doesn't happen which leaves room for Beafags to claim that they were right all along when it can no longer be proven either way.

>>149431395
>Directly, as in before Lise was in the 666th.
So when Lise was in the 101st? Lise was always a factor Anon, there is no denying that.

>>149420398
Is it gay to want to fuck the Master? Just look at him, sitting there all smug and inviting.

>>149431484
>Unfortunately we'll never get to see how Bea's plan would have worked out
Hiroki and/or age can still clear that up. They will most likely never do it however. And not having used Martyrs to clear that up is clearly wasted potential.

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>>149431443
Only on 4chan.

Why is Axmann the only person in the cast to recognize females for what they really are?

>>149431639
>>149431484
We don't need that. Did you need CCA to show Axis hitting earth to show that Char's plan was monumentally stupid and an outgrowth of a personal vendetta?

>>149431728
But Beatrix's plan isn't monumentally stupid, so I don't get how this is a good comparison.

The DDR holds the best static line of defense in Europe. The next best lines are at.. the English channel.

Pump and dump Suzy and Simone

>>149431728
That's a bad comparison, especially when the author has defended her plan as valid. It wasn't retarded, it could have worked, in Theory, and its a contrasting alternative to what happens in canon. And it fits the whole tone ML had had until then, that the antagonist had a valid point.

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>>149431769
Here's an autistic little map I made for just after the rebels win.

As you can see, not much keeps the BETA back on land.

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>>149431728
Here's the deal though. They take time in CCA to describe why it would be fucked up (not to mention it's self evident), and they have multiple instances where characters stop to say, "yeah, this is stupid, and won't work because of x, x, and x."

Beatrix doesn't get that refutation from anyone. No one attacks her plan, just Beatrix or her organization (You're stasi, therefor you're evil). Nobody ever makes any logical appeals against her, it's all emotional. Even Katia's end speech is playing off of emotions, not facts.

I mean, here's the level of interplay between her and Theo:

Bea: "Here's what my plan is all about. I'm going to turn the DDR into a military state with aid from outside. We'll be a buffer to hold back the BETA for the rest of Europe. We'll suffer, but I'll do whatever it takes to beat the BETA"
Theo: "Even if it means turning us into robots"
Bea: "If that is the price of victory, then yes, I would"
Theo: "Shutup you sadistic monster, I'm going to kill you."

That's the big issue, Beatrix debates from the realm of facts and logic (like Yuuko), while everyone else is running off of emotions.

>>149432310
>woman
>facts and logic
Already unrealistic.

>>149432355
>Already unrealistic.
Well, not really. Every other women is mostly running by emotion.

Exception to rules are not unrealistic.

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>>149432355
You really showed me.

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>>149432310

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>>149429138
She was already very mentally unstable by 1983, and the truth is her dream of going back to a happy normal life with Onii-chan could have been ultimately impossible by that point given the state she was in. In order for her to have a truly happy life again without the burden of what she was forced go through and become and to rebalance her mind a traumatic injury turned out to be the most if not fully perfect solution. She also wasn't a vegetable there, far from it. And with her kind of injury her condition given time can only get better as its implied to at the end, bringing things full circle.

>>149432481
>anime was so bad Beatrix came full circle and was right the whole time
What timeline are we in right now?

>>149432481

I would be okay with a complete surveillance state if she ran it.

>>149431949
>And it fits the whole tone ML had had until then, that the antagonist had a valid point.
Not really. I mean, they did, but it was still usually much more stupid or generally small minded/nationalistic compared to the protagonists, who try to look at the bigger picture. Most of ML's villains tend to want to play politics when they should be getting together. SM doesn't really change any of that.

>>149432580
The anime got her Ideals right, it just made her look like a hypocrite.

>What timeline are we in right now?
What do you mean.

>>149432633
She will not satisfy any of your fetishes anon. Remember that.

>>149432633
>Beatrix looking at your dick pics
Maybe things aren't so bad after all

>>149432661
>Most of ML's villains tend to want to play politics when they should be getting together. SM doesn't really change any of that.
It did. The main argument about SM is about whose politics were best for making people get together.

>>149432661
>Not really. I mean, they did, but it was still usually much more stupid or generally small minded/nationalistic compared to the protagonists, who try to look at the bigger picture
And Theo and the 666th barely look at the bigger picture, and Lise doesn't even care, she just wants her Onii-chan. Its a good contrast. And while most ML villains are small minded, they almost always get away with what they wanted, even if only partially.

>>149432661

But Beatrix looked at the bigger picture. Theo and Lise only cared for each other, Iris was nationalistic and only cared for Germany and Katia wasn't even a character, she was a plot device.

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>>149432668
Doesn't the VN make it look like or imply that Irisdina was wrong in her route about the Jurgen thing? I mean, she already broke her promise to Jurgen to stay with Beatrix and protect her.

>>149427611
Same here.

>>149432910
I don't think Irisdina was particularly wrong, she just used him and put her interpretations of him in with her feelings of the DDR as a whole.

>>149433152
>used him
as in his ideals

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>>149432910
We will not know until BiS chapter 12 is released. The switch from pic related to adult Beatrix is simply too great to be justified by simple abandonment issues. It would make sense if Beatrix got a non-sexual version of the treatment Lise got or if Jürgen really wanted the perfect totalitarian state by the time of his death. The possibility that Jürgen knew that his girl would fly off the handle and wanted Iris to prevent that would fit as well, but would not explain how Beatrix came to believe what she did.

>>149432668

I don't care, to know someone as beautiful like that taking control of the world is something to be admired.

>>149432481
She was so right, if only Irisdina had worked with her, i hate that fucking bitch backstabber onii-chan killer.

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>>149433584
R-rude

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>>149433219
Well, they spell out that Iris ran away from Beatrix and basically let Axmann have her after Jurgen died, something she ends up feeling very guilty about. It makes a lot of sense though. Jurgen wouldn't willingly die unless he could make sure both of his girls were safe, and what better way in his mind then by asking Iris to take care of her (because surly they'd both need each other to lean on after he died).

Iris is not a very strong woman. Neither is Beatrix when you get down to it. The strongest woman on the cast is probably Lise, and even she broke eventually.

【アイリスディーナ】「ひとりでは勝てなかった……。私には仲間がいた……」
【Irisdina】「I wasn't able to win alone……I had friends.」

【ベアトリクス】「……そうね」
【Beatrix】「……I see」

【ベアトリクス】「あなたの周りには……必ず誰かが……。力になってくれる、誰かが…………」
【Beatrix】「Around you...There is always someone...That gives you strength.」

【アイリスディーナ】「ベアトリクス……」
【Irisdina】「Beatrix.」

【アイリスディーナ】「……貴様にもいたはずだ」
【Irisdina】「……I should have been there for you, too.

【ベアトリクス】「私の味方はいなくなったわ……」
【Beatrix】「My friend disappeared..

***

【ベアトリクス】「私にすべてを与えてくれた…………」
【Beatrix】「He gave everything to me...He meant everything to me...」

>>149433660
Why is her face is so punchable?

So, is Theo going to be the final boss of the Muv-luv-verse?

>>149433859
No. but he is going to be final boss in the next VN.

>>149433663
While Iris abandoning Beatrix was clearly against what Jürgen wanted, the enormous difference between what they thought were his Ideals has not been explained yet. And that is the most important issue here.

Do you have the translation of Martyr's version of Jürgen as well?

>>149433663
>Iris is not a very strong woman
I would imagine so. It's insane she managed to bear the trauma of killing her brother, so brutally as well.

>>149433961
*Jürgen's death

>>149434018
She goes into a coma at the end when everyone needed her most because she couldn't handle it all. It's the darkest of the three endings, actually.

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>>149434280
>tfw can't save her
my soul hurts

>>149414738
>Schwarzesmarken is a fucking spin-off
>Newfags circlejerking

>>149434346
You can try
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2jWTyiPcHY

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>>149434346
Dude, she chooses to stay in a coma. That's what her ending is about. It's her running away again and abandoning her friends.

>>149434526
I'm going to bring her out of that coma.

>>149434526
>abandons Beatrix
>abandons her subordinates
Nice character growth there, Iris. Yet you remain part of the four best girls of all time.

>>149434526
If she got bullied in high school more, none of that would've happened.

>>149434526
So is this why all the Japs are so enraged about Irisdina's route?

>>149434708
No, a vocal chunk of them are fags and are mad that their "waifu" isn't a saint.

>>149434708
I'm surprised we don't have Lisefags vs Irisfags fights yet with the way this thread turned into a shitfest.

>>149434526
Nice shoop

>>149430032
>Lise's route in a nutshell

>>149434754
Because I'm the only Irisfag. I don't have enough energy to argue against 5-6 people.

>>149434669
To be fair, she had to confront that she might have been wrong about everything. I mean, her sworn evil enemy disregarding orders and saving her life, knowing that she was basically throwing away an easy victory, and then all of this, http://sendvid.com/ku94vadb where she had to face her guilt and stop pushing it away really fucked her up. Granted, running away isn't good, but there's a reason why she's so fucked up by the end.

>>149432530
Well, vegetable might not have been the best choice of phrase, but you get what I meant. It's funny how it turned out.

>>149434755
That isn't a shoop, anon. Her twins are really just that perky.

>>149434790
Hey, I'm here too.
I don't even have the energy to post in this thread much, or even play Marthyr past the intro, or even continuing to care about Muvluv at all at this point, though.

>>149434790
In retrospect, it makes me glad my girl didn't get a route. Or that she's completely irrelevant. If something shitty were to happen, I'd be pretty much dogpiled on.

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>>149434755
It's not a shoop. She literally opens her eyes (which was followed by a monologue about how badly they needed her because all their figureheads were dead), then closes them again.

>>149434953
>>149434835
Stop reading so deep into it.

Iris is waking up from her coma, and is ready to take charge again. There's no symbolism involved. It's not a sad ending, it's even more hopeful then Lise's for its main heroine.

Oh yeah, I just noticed acccording to the OST rip there isn't even a single new cool music track in this game at all.

That's it, I'm just uninstalling this crap.

>>149435028
Speaking of OST rips, do you or anyone else know where there is a track list for the anime BD songs? Every track has "RIFFINFO_INAM" as the name.

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>>149434997
>it's even more hopeful then Lise's for its main heroine.

>>149434997
This is basic as fuck symbolism, man. They need her, she's just not capable of doing anything anymore.

Purple is a shit color and only shit girls have color clothing, hair or eyes.

Both Lise and Beatrix are good girls who deserve love.

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>>149435196

>>149435074
>>149435097
How do you know my interpretation isn't correct? Perhaps Theo asking her to wake up because they need her brings her back. Perhaps it symbolizes she's ready to stop running away.

>>149435347
Sleeping beauty isn't ready to finish her fight, yet.

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>>149435196
Good joke; lets hear another.

>>149435347
Because we know Irisdina is a very broken woman and that she closes her eyes right after opening them up. That specific way of doing it is done to show a character 'giving up'.