Are we ever going to get a horror anime that goes beyond 'kind

Was Another really that bad? I recall refraining from laughing when a "friend" of mine told me she was watching it. Seemed like she was really into it or something

>>149367208
>is the disconnect between reality and 2D too much of a barrier?
In my opinion it is.
>>149367385
I liked Another.

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>>149367208
>Is it even possible for anime to truly be scary
I honestly think it can't be truly scary.

>>149367208
maintaining horror over 12 episodes is tough

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>>149367385
the beach scene and ending were very questionable but it had suspense the whole way through

higurashi s1 was much scarier though

>the fingernail scene

What is "truly" scary? I can't think of any movie or game that has done it. No surprise anime doesn't either.

>>149367479
If by suspense you mean unpredictability, the plot was a mess.

I think it does exist since what people find scary varies quite a bit.

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Shiki actually managed to be spooky at some points.

>>149367208
Another was OK.
As long as you had a high enough IQ to steer clear off the threads on /a/. I heard someone spoiled everything before the first episode aired.

That kind of shit deserves a permaban imho.

>>149367385
Another was comedy of the year

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>>149367891
>implying the threads weren't the best part

>>149367946
If you had no intention of enjoying the anime as a thriller, sure.

With no spoilers I actually enjoyed it quite a fucking bit. Maymays are good and all but a good anime is better.

>>149367208
Horror genre is just plain bad on all mediums.

You only get scared with jumpscares, wich is cheap imo.

The other way is to do suspense and unsettlingness. Gore is a way, but again, that way is cheap.

>>149368035
Jumpscares just startle, they don't scare. It's not fair to say they actually inflict any sort of fear, more just dread knowing another one may happen. Like those fnaf games.

>>149367208

It can be done, but horror is a niche genre, and anime has a niche audience. So its unlikely anyone will ever put enough effort into it to pull it off.

On top of this, it almost certainly can't be an episodic series. It would have to be either a series of shorts, or a movie. Short stories are great for horror surprisingly. Some of the best Stephen King adaptations have been from his short stories (1408 and The Mist are both standouts) inb4 >Stephen King > Horror

Anime has an advantage in that they can portray body horror and surreal easily without resorting to phony looking props and costumes. But you're still asking your audience to buy into the 2D, so the artstyle would have to be fairly realistic.

>>149367852
Really early on there were a couple of spoops sure. It sure turned into a shitty generic vampire flick dragged out over 22 episodes though.

>>149368089
>It can be done, but horror is a niche genre, and anime has a niche audience.
Do you feel a physical urge to post the same thing in every thread?

>>149367899
What do you mean?

>>149368076

Jumpscares are a mechanism to release the tension created by Dread and Terror. Nearly every major horror reveal is a jump scare on one level or another.
Relying on them exclusively results in shit like FNAF, you're right. But they have a place in well directed horror as well.

Think of the effect of horror fiction like a string being stretched out. Dread would be the tension on the string. Terror what pulls the string tighter. The final goal is to either have the string snap, the jumpscare is one way to do that, or have the string become twisted and knotted by the tension and twisting (this would be your long lasting unsettled feeling, much harder to do)

>>149368178

I almost never browse /a/. If its been said before, its because others think the same.

horror only works in movies because realism and games because interaction. anime has neither.

>>149368178
Not him, but the real issue is that newfags. keep making this same god damn thread about "Why aren't there good horror anime? Can 2D even be scary?" over and over again.

>>149368266
Damn son. You actually sort of opened my eyes a bit more and I've always called myself a horror fan.

>>149368284
But books and manga can be scary.

Ghost Hunt is the closest anime I've seen that does horror, and it had 1 or 2 scenes in the entire show that did horror well. The mansion scene got to me as much as some decent horror movies.

Anime can do horror well, it's just that no one makes horror anime (Gore isn't horror).

>>149369179
For books that's because of the reader's imagination. As for manga, I feel like the image not moving contributes to it being scary.

Like it's not very scary if the monster in a horror anime is animated poorly or is CG or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVeHCCiIvx4
On the topic, what the hell happened to this one anyway? Is it kill?

>>149367208
Staright up horror, no.

Honestly the closest I can think of that pulled it off was Higurashi, but I think that one benefitted from having a lot of suspense thrown into the mix, and really after about 8 episodes I think it really ditched the horror aspect and relied purely on suspense.

That being said, the ending of episode 8 of the first season is still the only anime scene I can think of that actually got me to jump out of my seat. Anyone that has seen it would know what I'm talking about. At the hospital.

Monster.

There, you got spoonfed, kindly delete your shittily veiled request thread.

>>149367208

I don't remember the twin tails girls from Chuuni. Is this from S2?

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>>149367208
Muv luv is a 2D that could be classified under "horror", depending on how you define it.

Warning, this will give some people flashbacks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5JICa_ZxBk

>>149372304
>implying Monster is scary
>implying OP can delete threads in 2016

>>149372304
Because of people like you who can't tell the difference between crime/mystery and horror there aren't any real horror anime.

>>149367571
>>149368035
Horror is well maintained in literature and movies and there are some good video games even. Just because you lack the ability to immerse in it or appreciate doesn't mean that it does not exist. But the discussion is for animu/mango.

>>149372278
After the first two arcs I feel like they could keep the horror if the animation hadn't done completely downhill. The thing looks like they had to fire all their key animators. Rika crows scene could've been great if I wasn't too busy laughing at the shit drawings.

>>149367208
The important thing is good story and direction. You can't resort to jump scares or show the monster, just use an unnerving atmosphere full of suspense. Another could have done thst well, but the gore was just hilarious and over the top, I guess we can blame the director for the silly timing and movement of characters.

>>149372683
That too. Honestly I could have drawn some of it really. Thanks DEEN

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>>149367208
I agree with everyone and their moms about the lack tension. Also gore is used WAY too much. Think of the SAW movies, by the 7th movie it just became a meme and you just expected people to die any way, so in the end there really wasn't any tension.

That and also the lack of likable characters. Horror usually has such unlikable characters that I usually can't wait for them to die in stupid ways.

And the "monster" is usually fucking stupid. Sometimes the less you see them, the more tension you feel because you never know when they will pop out again.

>>149368266
Is there really a way to leave a feeling of unsettlement (of the horror variety, not like the road) in the viewer outside of cosmic horror

>>149367385
I thought it was great. Had a blast watching it

>>149367208
>Is it even possible for anime to truly be scary
Watch episode 22 of Onisama e...

>>149367385
Horror comedy that a lot of people didn't understand was intentional.

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I liked it when the one eyed fucker calmly walked away while being stabbed.

>>149367208
otaku don't like being scared

>>149367208
man, /v/ was really in to this.
>le comedy
>pie!!!

good times.

I like Junji Ito stuff a lot. Manga lets you drink in the visuals at your own pace.

If they did a good Junji adaptation I'd be tempted to call it viable. Gyo was kinda bad.

gashunk.

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>>149374447
It comes down to leaving the audience with an idea. Like a monster that lives in your dreams or an evil always at the corner of your eyes. Something that leaves a lasting impression. You might not always think about it, but when you do, the fear becomes real

The earliest episodes of Gantz had a certain surreal Lovecraftian horror.

And Berserk isn't horror as defined, but it certainly has a horrorific atmosphere. The entire hell scene... just... just fuck Griffith, you dick.

And in my opinion, Guyver did "adult horror" really well. Taking a typical shounen power fantasy and turning it into some seinen horror show, where the villains actually straight up start killing the friends and family of the hero after they discover his secret identity. But "adult horror" falls more under thriller than straight up horror.

>>149374897
Junji Ito hasn't written a single scary story in his whole career. His stuff is good because it's fucking hilarious and/or interesting. He's also very overrated.

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Flip Flappers is the spoopiest we got since forever.

Some episodes of Shinsekai Yori were creepy as fuck.

>>149374447
Make the source of tension be both relatable and vague enough to fit most circumstances, and also somehow believable enough that, for at least a moment, you don't think it's just your mind playing tricks on you.
It's as hard to pull off as it sounds, which is probably why you haven't seen it very often. It's not /a/ related, but I think The Babadook is the only story in recent memory to actually do an excellent job of just that.

Horror mainly comes from the depiction of atmosphere and having a huge level of uncertainty. Games do horror pretty good because there's interaction and, as a result, self-insertion, just like Amnesia The Dark Descent (at least, until it started going awry because the mechanics were a bit too crystal clear). I've never liked horror movies because they tended to be more about spilling guts than anything else, but I guess that realism helps.
Anime doesn't invite to action like games or do not enhance imagination and self-insert like books (stuff like Misery really plays it all on the submission of the protag and the unpredictability of the madwoman)

That said, Flip Flappers episode 5 did a surprisingly great nod at the genre with lots of horror aspects while still inserting a bit of comedy.

>>149377854
You need to look around for better horror films then. Start with psychological horror.

How is Japan able to make good horror games, films, and especially manga but unable to produce actual scary horror anime?

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>>149368013
It's very clearly a comedy.

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>>149367208
pies?

>>149378976
I think television in general is a poor format for horror. If you try and contain it to a single episode that's fine. But trying to stretch horror across multiple episodes, initially with at least a week between episodes kills whatever emotions might have built up that would contribute to actually scaring the audience.

Another problem is with visual design. It's hard to be horrifying when everything is brightly colored, full of moe characters, and well lit. Horror is in part about atmosphere.

Anyone have the stairs fall from the live action Another? That is comedy gold?

>>149367385
The teacher is his aunt

>>149379147
This.

Literally any TV show, not even anime, that's horror which was good were all episodic self-contained nonsense.

Here's an easy tip for good horror. Just use CG.

Done.

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>>149367208
If they are ever able to translate Junji Itos style smoothly then maybe we will get a good horror anime.

>>149377893
Nah, I've kinda given up on 3DPD movies, and I honestly prefer the concept of "living" the horror instead of just witnessing it.

>>149374533
yeah the whole plot was basically garbagebut a few b-movie elements and some jokes make it an underrated classic.

>>149379147
Depends. I'd think that some form of cosmic horror can lend itself well for many episodes.

As long as the source of horror remains distant and unexplained, generating terror instead of horror (terror meaning the anticipation of horror, horror meaning the witnessing of a horrific event), tension can remain or even raise after many episodes.

Additionally, many episodes can cause a stronger connection to characters, increasing the terror when something is about to happen to someone.

Good example is the original Berserk anime. Might not be really horror, but goddamn you spend so much time watching the main characters that when shit hits the fan in the last episodes your emotions just get chewed up and grinded to minced meat. Just like the characters you've come to care for.

>>149374533
Still need a source for this.

>>149367208
yami shibai was great but i know 5 minute epsiodes don't really count.
Still the scariest anime i saw, maybe paranoia agent or mononoke work for you

Mayoiga was horrifyingly bad, if that counts.

>>149379346
4 episodes in and Paranoia Agent isn't horror per se and I wouldn't call it "scary" nor " frightening" but it's certainly disgusting and rather unsettling.

If there's a "horror" thing in this anime, it's more about the horror of the human nature.

>>149379400
I didn't find it that scary either but i feel like i got desensitised after watching a lot of horror, that's why i said it might work for someone else.
Paranoia Agent and Mononoke just had some horror elements i really liked but nothing got close to yami shibai in terms of actual scariness for me

>>149379264

CG is such a cheap way of doing it but I somewhat agree.
The uncanny valley can work wonders in anime.

>>149367385
>having friends

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Or just don't use animation at all.

>>149369534
Do you mean Ghost Hunt or Ghost Hound?
Because I only watched the latter and it really was quite unnerving at times.

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Horror thrives on camp: the intentional inclusion of blatantly crappy elements in an otherwise well made work. And campy television is hard to pull off, because we don't have high expectations for television.
Film has a long theatrical history to play off of, while video games can be immersive enough to make you feel like you're living them.
Television is that thing you watch football and porn on. You aren't expecting a story full of deep meaning and metaphor, so you aren't particularly surprised when the tone is subverted. (Game of Thrones seems to be doing a decent job of combining melodrama with ludicrous costumes, but channels like HBO are very film-oriented to begin with).
When heavy themes are established and undercut, it's unsettling, and existential terror is induced-- whether you know what's going to happen or not, juxtaposing things like murder and a goofy doll is creepy as fuck in the moment.
You might notice that good horror often uses a frame story. Folk tales and weird puppet shows have a centuries-old legacy, and if you can convince the audience that that's what they're watching, they'll forget that Jeopardy! is on the other channel. Or you can compensate by turning the camp up to eleven. If you play everything else 100% straight and serious, a shitty CGI model makes a good monster.

>>149380191
>Horror thrives on camp
Uh, what?

Some horror thrives on camp.

>>149367208
Mononoke was very good. I feel it really successfully pulled off horror as an anime.

>>149380277
Name any horror story, I'll name at least one key element that sounds utterly retarded out of context.

>>149380327
that's not hard to do with almost every piece of fiction but still i want you see trying
Silent Hill 2
Rosemarys baby
Carrie

>>149380327
Things that sound ridiculous outside context aren't the same as camp. Horror requires always some outlandish or surreal element to make it scarier than daily life. This can be achieved without relying on camp.

>>149380642
Agreed, at least for actually good fictional horror.
I know there are effective storys that are kept pretty realistic like the classic "man on the backseat" thing, but i think good horror storys should do more then just establishing a setting you would be scared in

>>149380556
>My subconsciousness manifested an angry tetrahedron man, but these people are really fucked up.
>Check out these wacky satanists. They've got paintings of witches burning Christians! What'll they think of next?
>Literally everything about Carrie's mother

You could have tried harder. Rosemary's Baby is quite campy, and Carrie is in the top 10 films gay men love.

Yami Shibai was pretty scary

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>>149368266
This is so wrong and it pisses me off that you're seriously arguing it. Let's take this scene for example, it's spooky not because something jumps out at you suddenly but because you hear it before you see it. The way the pace of the sound quickens makes the tension higher as you wonder if something's there, and seeing movement in the darkness as it comes quickly towards the camera from the distance is so much more terrifying to me than if it had jumped out of the left or right with a stupid violin sting. There's another scene later where a character calls a taxi and there's a build up that makes you think it's very likely he will be hit by a car, the escalating tension as he's slowly approached by the light and that moment of uncertainty when he's engulfed by it are so much more effective to me because I could see it playing out, rather than if someone had been blaring loud noises at me all of a sudden.