Schwarzesmarken / Total Eclipse / Muv Luv

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>>149363029
But she's right here

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>>149363029
I was trying to protect my senpai

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>>149363029
>>149363510
Here's an uncomfortable Bea attempting to very awkwardly comfort Lise after Axmann tortures her in Iris's route:

https://sendvid.com/tqfyk924

So she does care, but you have to really look hard for it.

>>149363573
You could have done that without killing the imouto. And better even.

>>149363029
Because Theo is no savoir, his talents lie eslewhere

>>149363677
But in that route it was Katia who was being protected.

>>149363704
And in the other route you drive the imouto to suicide. Thats even worse.

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>>149363822
I never meant to hurt anybody.

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>>149363889
No one ever does Theo

>>149363630
Fuck it, so Beatrix did care for Lise?

This makes everything about the way Theo deals with Beatrix in Lise's route even worse.

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>>149363630
reminder

>>149364713
counter reminder watanabe is a retard

>>149364713
thanks for reminding be that anime-only retards still exist.

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Who /NVA/ here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7CC7i6brEI

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>>149364864
Who /STASI/ here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuRM7XJdjWw

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>>149363630
Why is Beatrix's awkward and uncomfortable reassurance so much better then Iris's boob press?

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>>149365014
But girly Iris > Beato

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>>149364122
Again, you have to see it from his frame of reference. He doesn't KNOW all the things we are privy to. He's a guy just trying to do what he can.

Maybe it's just me, but with how they handled this, they should have done a Beato route. Hell, they could have picked up BiS sales with people curious about the Bea they get to know in her route.

>>149364945

>not Tschekistenlied

pls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L0J-Ce7cOE

>>149365014
Because being out of her element makes her look moe.

>>149365158
Theo would never fuck Beatrix. He'd slap spit in her eye and slap her on her cheek.

>>149365427
>Theo would never fuck Beatrix.
This is what moderates actually believe.

>>149365158
It's not like he makes an effort to get an insight of the situation or anything

>You cannot understand, nor do you want to

>>149365427
he probably would if he didn't demonize her so. In Lise routes he often thinks how she is like Irisdina. But i don't think Beato would fuck him.

>>149365586
There would have to be copious amounts of alcohol involved and someone bleaching his hair as a joke.

>>149365619
this could actually work.

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PACT PRIDE WORLDWIDE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpzcU0wsKac

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Will we get polls for VN on tomorrows streams? like which route did we like best and what character?

>>149365725
Most of the Japs seemed to like the Lise route best.

>>149365586
She wasn't similar enough for him not to kill her though.

>>149365978
Him ending her is pretty much a copout so I'm not sure if that argument holds up.

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I am going to marry this zampolit

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This right here is the office of a terrifying and merciless main antagonist. Fear her and her worn but well taken care of furniture, cramped spaces, cheap decor, and aura of depression. Truly, only evil could inhabit these gray walls.

>>149366483
look comfy as fuck. would do the lewdest things to her on that worn out sofa like head pats and hand holding

>>149366483
I want to bang Beato on that couch and chair.

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>>149366537
In the translated bit of the LN, Beatrix has a heater problem with her room, so it's always too warm/cozy. She put in a work order, but it's a low priority for a cash strapped regime, so she's left with an office that makes her sleepy.

I just thought that was a very humanizing moment in a way.

>>149366684
>so she's left with an office that makes her sleepy.
I'd lend her my shoulder, if you know what I mean.

>>149366684
SoL moments like this is what i missed in VN.

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>>149366818
That was what was really missing. Theres a whole bunch with Lise at the beginning but then the plot starts rolling and once the routes get on track theres not a whole lot more light-hearted moments at all.

>>149366483
Whats in her picture frames?

>>149366684
You can see the heater of too the side in >>149366483. That's really kind of cute too.

>>149366818
>>149366924
It's unfortunate that there's such a short timespan for Martyrs (it only takes place over a couple of days of continuous fighting), other wise, they could spend more on SoL and it would be realistic. It would have also greatly helped Lise's route out too (filled in the plot hole of Beatrix trusting Theo immediately and allowed for more interactions in a non stressed situation).

>>149367033
A pic of Jurgen for sure

>>149367033
Probably military diplomas/awards. I can't imagine that she'd be too keen putting something personal on her desk as she keeps all of that close to her heart. I'd imagine Iris's desk would be the same.

Schmidt wouldn't care, so he'd probably have some fake personal photos up, while Axmann's office is an interrogation room.

>>149367118
She'd be in trouble with the state. I don't know if anything of Jurgen survives save for his memoirs/tapes.

>>149365158
I'd be interested in knowing where that is from but I'm too tired to go through the effort to post it on /r/ and see if someone can find it.

>>149367107
>filled in the plot hole of Beatrix trusting Theo immediately
That wasn't a plothole, Theo agreed to come in the first place and join because of Lise, Beatrix used that fact as leverage. And it worked until Lise went missing and Theo no longer had his incentive to stick around, that and hearing Katia's speech.

>>149368087
2lewd

>>149368087
So I'm in her office and she gives me this look. What do?

>>149368259
Loosen my collar, and make a comment about the malfunctioning heater.

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>>149368087
If you were imprisoned (or unpersoned by the state) for 5 years, then escaped, what would you do when you found that your cute fiance had transformed into a gorgeous, yet terrifying state killer in your absence?

>>149368934
Dick her

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>>149368934
She doesn't really look that physically intimidating when you take a close look at her. She has a lithe body (minus the big breasts), almost like what you'd expect from a girl who has just completed maturing into adulthood. She has those the slim shoulders, dainty arms and hands, thin stomach, wide hips, and a thigh gap complete with thighs to die for. In anime, many times the villains are "thicker" then the heroines, and don't have much of a "cute" appeal. Yet Beatrix still has a body that can still be called cute, and can still stir my protective instincts.

Compare her height to Theo in pic related to realize how much more her scariness is overhyped.

>>149366924
Isn't that how ML usually goes? Alternate barely had any SoL in it, with Unlimited being the bridge between it and Extra.

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>>149365427
Nignog, he literally can't get her out of his mind from the moment they meet. His fear competes with how floored he is by her beauty. He can sense the danger from her, and yet he can't help but admire her.

It didn't help that she talked to him very kindly when they met, and leaving him with the impression she very much wants him to defect.

>>149365562
Again, it's the situation he's in and how he ends up there. If it was different, he'd be more curious and want to find out.

>>149365586
She sees, and given more time, would develop like Iris sees him. Iris initially saw him in stages too, not even starting out seeing him as a potential Jurgen. But it progressed that way.

Bea knows why Iris has such an interest in him.

>>149369594
He's not Jurgen, and Iris pretty much friendzones him in her route. Beatrix would likely end up doing the same. He might be Irisdina's type, but he isn't hers.

Besides, them wanting to make Theo into Jurgen is kind of freaky. Seeing Jurgen in Theo is one thing, but wanting him to be another Jurgen is just fucked up. Theo is selfish and antisocial, and Jurgen is altruistic and political. Theo is brash and paranoid, Jurgen is contemplative and forward. The list could go on and on...

I think the only time either of them could see Jurgen in him is in his relationship with Lise, but even then it's different (Jurgen didn't fuck Iris, after all).

>>149369753
>He might be Irisdina's type, but he isn't hers.
What I mean to say is, that he might be Irisdina's type, but not Beatrix's.

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>>149369753
>Besides, them wanting to make Theo into Jurgen is kind of freaky

Do these look like normal girls to you?

Messed up doesn't even begin to describe them.

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>>149369942
No, thats just fucked up trying to turn someone into someone they're clearly not.

Character Deaths compiled so far from these threads:

>Katia
Iris - shot by Axmann
Lise - executed by Theo
Pham - btfo by Lise
Sylwia - shot down by Beatrix
Walther - shot down by Beatrix
Farka - never appears, but likely one of the random Werewolves killed by Theo
Beatrix - penetrated by Theo

>Iris
Katia - buried in rubble by Lise
Walther - laserkun
Lise - suicide
Axmann - throat slit by Lise
Farka - uncertain, TSF combat is sloppy, so Annete might have cleaved her
Beatrix - killed by missiles, injuries unknown (retarded ass death)

>Lise
Farka - killed holding off 666th while Theo saves Lise
Schmidt - Shot by moderates
Walther - killed fleeing while Beatrix talks to Theo
Pham - uncertain, may have been offscreened
Sylwia - penetrated by Theo
Axmann - Theo shoots him
Suzy - shot
Beatrix - betrayed by Theo and gets a shield smashed into her (despite cockpit showing no damage)

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>>149369942
Here's what Beatrix has to say about your idea:

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0TNkQ6N1I4f

>>149370105
You forgot Schmidt got btfo by Lise in Iris route too.

>>149370304
I forgot a lot because I submitted it too early.

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>>149370173
She's so beautiful yet flawed, but instead we end up with this as the main heroine.

>>149370105
Okay so I've seen this mentioned before in threads but I've not asked. ...Why do some anons in these threads call the laser-class, laserkun or laser-kun?

>>149370105
How many kills did grappler-kun got?

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>>149371295
His pride

>>149370105
>Beatrix - penetrated by Theo
I like it

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>>149370011
>>149369753
Yes it is. But looking at LN and VN Iris, that's at least she's trying to do. She's subtle about it, but remaking Jurgen would give her a chance to atone for what she did, and to beg for forgiveness. That's what he's been saying. That's what she's been searching for for so long. She always tries to prod Theo in the "right" direction, though he sees it at the beginning as her paternalism and arrogance.

You're also looking at Theo vs Jurgen wrong in my opinion. Theo had a hard life before circumstances brought him into the light and happiness. He wasn't raised in affluence and love, but the bitter lessons of the street and the orphanage. So it's kind of unfair to say he's a meanie. And then on top, when he finally found familial love, he was as moe as Jurgen. Kind, caring, and altruistic - it was when that life abruptly ended and he learned the true meaning of despair and hopelessness that he resolved to merely try living, cowering in fear, and as more and more friends disappeared in the terror, to hide even more. The weeks before SM begins were the height of his descent into nihilism, as the deaths of friends from his class had utterly broken him, like they did Anette.

And then on the seesaw, as Jurgen's life went more forward, he started becoming what Theo was. His circle of friends was drying up, there were fewer and fewer people he could turn to, and he had well indulged in the darker side of politics (nevermind a coup, but even making scummy deals, flat out training the Stasi TSF pilots) in order to induce positive change. Jurgen learned that something so monstrous and evil as their system couldn't be changed with words. By his last days, he was a paranoid crying mess, estranged even from his sister, his sole family, as the coup drew nearer.

Both men ultimately came to the same conclusions. They wanted to change, to move, to fight stasis and death, and live a better day and a better tomorrow. Iris sensed that, and I think Beato did too.

Now that we're on a new and better engine, and got money, is there ANY hope that they may go back and finish TE with the routes like there were supposed to be, and add to the length like what was supposed to be?

For that matter, will they be using this engine with the upcoming Alternative KS release?

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>>149370784
Because Laser-kun is moe.

It helps they don't kill by the more brutal methods like smashing, ripping, or eating alive, but frying you with laser.

Laser-class because that BETA species is classified as a Laser-class.

>>149372413
>Both men ultimately came to the same conclusions. They wanted to change, to move, to fight stasis and death, and live a better day and a better tomorrow.
Didn't he take Abels proposal in chapter 10, or was it 9, I don't really remember, to become the original CO of the Werewolves? Because that would mean that by '77 he basically is not in Theo's position but in Beatrix's. There are some similarities between Theo and Jürgen, but the further you go along their stories, the more their opinions differ. The closest they come, is perhaps the Lise-route. Except Jürgen accepted that what he was doing was necessary, as long as no better alternative presented itself, instead of condemning the whole thing outright like Theo did, and being there simply for his loved ones.

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>>149372413
>when he finally found familial love
And romantic.

>>149365179
Are the Werewolves part of the Wachregiment? Or a hijacked airforce squadron.

Aグループ
12月7日　ヴィヴィ・シュバインシュタイガー（シュヴァルツェスマーケン）
12月14日　大空寺あゆ（君が望む永遠）
12月16日　白銀武（マブラヴ）
12月30日　真壁清十郎（DUTY -LOST ARCADIA-）
12月31日　チャック・ザウバー（輝く時空が消えぬ間に）

Bグループ


12月4日　風間祷子（マブラヴ オルタネイティヴ）
12月7日　パウル・ラダビノッド（マブラヴ オルタネイティヴ）
12月10日　伊隅まりか（君がいた季節）
12月24日　クリスカ・ビャーチェノワ（トータル・イクリプス）
12月25日　ヴィルフリート・アイヒベルガー（DUTY -LOST ALCADIA-）
12月26日　シルヴィア・クシャシンスカ（シュヴァルツェスマーケン）

You know who to vote for.

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>>149373047
Well you have to remember that at that time, the Stasi wasn't "as bad" as it is in the present of SM. Back then, it was the Party that held almighty power, and the Stasi and the Army routinely depended on each other for protection from the Party.

As far as I remember, he wasn't going to become their CO, since he wasn't Stasi. But Beatrix was going to be her right hand there, so in the power calculus of the GDR leadership, Jurgen, already a danger because of not only how beloved he was and innovative he was (he pioneered a lot of the laserjagd tactics that became the world standard), but now he was becoming a threat to the power establishment. While he couldn't outright control the Stasi, having a wing of elite TSFs at his call was a nightmare proposition.

As for Theo, again, he had been considering very heavily, Beatrix's offer of >>149369594 , and that was before Lise was ever in the picture. And for largely the same reasons Jurgen had assented to and played a role in developing the Stasi.

It's because of HOW the Lise route was set up that he was bitter and disgusted over the whole affair and his friends getting captured and killed, and it was done so late he didn't have time to acclimate or have Beatrix lean on him and become more emotionally attached. They only have a small bit of time together, and with Theo incredibly bitter over how things have gone, it's completely understandable how his brain and feels just don't want to know anymore. If it had been earlier, no doubt Theo would have readily accepted being part of the Werewolves.

It's pretty clear from Beatrix's mannerisms and words that she wanted Theo on her side and had been planning on it, independent of Lise even. Even before Martyrs, besides trolling Iris, she literally dropped by the base to let him know she wished for him to defect. And she outright trusted him, and even 'warmed' up to him faster than Iris. And when Theo turned on her, she was very pained in her despair.

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>>149370105
>Save Lise, kill everyone
>Save as much of everyone, kill Lise
>Beatrix dies in every route

There is no happiness in the SM/ML universe.

>>149373868
>It's pretty clear from Beatrix's mannerisms and words that she wanted Theo on her side and had been planning on it, independent of Lise even
Thats not true, in fact most of that post is hyper exaggerated and stretched beyond the breaking point with mental gymnastics. She didn't know the guy and didn't care about him to any personal extent, ever. what she does know about him is what she's seen in the report of his capture trying to get over the wall, and she isn't impressed with him to say the least. The reason she baits him is because she knows Lise, and the reason she excepts him into the Werewolves is because of her "deal" with Lise.

>>149373868
>Well you have to remember that at that time, the Stasi wasn't "as bad" as it is in the present of SM. Back then, it was the Party that held almighty power, and the Stasi and the Army routinely depended on each other for protection from the Party.
You repeat this quite often actually, and it makes little sense as an argument, as that state of affairs is how a totalitarian state is supposed to work. The reason East Germany is such a clusterfuck by '83 is that the SED has lost control of the countries security apparatus, and both of them do whatever they want.

>As far as I remember, he wasn't going to become their CO, since he wasn't Stasi.
The offer was to join, wasn't it? And it was made long before Bea had any training as a pilot. She was there as a means to goad him into joining. And it worked didn't it?

>having a wing of elite TSFs at his call was a nightmare proposition.
He would have had that in the NVA as well, the power gap back then was between the two TSF Corps was firmly in the NVAs favour. The question was, at who's call and order he was going to be.

>And for largely the same reasons Jurgen had assented to and played a role in developing the Stasi.
That's wrong though. Working with them for extra funding for research and protection for your family and considering to join out self interest are quite different things.

>If it had been earlier, no doubt Theo would have readily accepted being part of the Werewolves.
While I can't argue with the rest of the paragraph, the length of time window where him joining the Werewolves out of his own free will existed is quite debatable. And had he not been consumed by so much despair, would it even exist?

>[...] independent of Lise even.
As long as Lise is in the Werewolves, there is no "independent of Lise". For all we know, she could have been trying to reunite them. Out of self interest, compassion for Lise or simply to screw Iris over.

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>>149374103
>save Lise, kill everyone
Wat. Less of the 666th die in Lise's route than Katia's. In fact ironically the rebellion is on better footing by the end of Lise's route than it is otherwise when Theo decides to stick with the rebels and fight against her.

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>>149374234
>You repeat this quite often actually

I don't think you're referring to me, but another anon. That said, I'd come to the conclusion and said so now and then.

What it means is that in totalitarian systems, usually a triangular power apparatus emerges, and either they operate as the highest level, or someone above them pulls their strings to keep the potential opposition disunited. What I meant in this context was that you, or whoever that is I'm quoting, that they're making it a big deal that Jurgen is helping the Stasi, or that he is doing it super reluctantly. He's not. His Stasi opposition is because besides the general bit of them spying on everyone, but because of Beatrix and how she's being forced into it. And it's not so unusual that the Stasi at that time then would request their own TSF wing, or the Army working with them to set it up.

>The offer was to join, wasn't it? And it was made long before Bea had any training as a pilot. She was there as a means to goad him into joining. And it worked didn't it?

You're mixing up the order I believe. She joined the air wing explicitly to protect Jurgen, but she was already destined to be a Stasi. But Jurgen always stayed Army, he never transferred to the Stasi, just trained the pilots and set them up.

>Working with them for extra funding for research and protection for your family and considering to join out self interest are quite different things.
His family was politically untouchable. They're high up nomenklatura, remember? The only reason the government was even able to move against them was because they had firm evidence that him and cohorts were involved in a coup. So considering it's extra shekels and internal power calculus games, I don't see how that's more 'noble' than joining because you're in danger everyday of getting sent back to the gulag and this woman who could murder you few questions asked, kindly asking you to join their elite unit.

>>149374234
>And had he not been consumed by so much despair, would it even exist?
Well shit, if he wasn't consumed by so much despair, would it really be Theo much? He joined the Army in the first place because he was literally on the streets again and knew the way the war was going, he was likely to be drafted anyways, and had a black mark on his record so couldn't really get employed many other places. If he hadn't been filled with despair, he'd have made it to West Germany years ago with Lise and his parents.

Wessi Theo would have changed the story quite a bit.

>As long as Lise is in the Werewolves, there is no "independent of Lise".
I'm not saying she didn't take Lise's feelings and words and her promise into account. The two aren't mutually exclusive. I was saying she had done her own research, and had access to his files. And importantly, saw what Iris was upto concerning him.

>>149374157
I guess this is a degree of difference in interpretation. So I guess unless you know JP and know exactly what they're saying with every nuance, it'll remain that way. Translated LN, and dialogue in the VN say she took more than a passing interest.

Again, it's not mutually exclusive, her or Lise. She has multiple reasons. To take one, Theo IS an elite pilot, in the top squad of the GDR, and one of the few CQC experts in all the Eastern Bloc. Besides Beatrix herself, her Werewolves don't have much in the way of CQC (the only, Farka, is easily outclassed by Anette), and very little in anti-BETA operations.

>>149374103
Good news, TE has a lot of happiness!

Okay no, it also has despair/

>>149374792
>His Stasi opposition is because besides the general bit of them spying on everyone, but because of Beatrix and how she's being forced into it.
And not the loudly stated fact that his parents failed marriage is the consequence of Joseph stepping on the wrong toes and the other party use the Stasi to ruin his career? He always had quite a bone to pick with the system, but he always swallowed his pride and opinions when he thought it was necessary for the wellbeing of his loved ones and his country.

>You're mixing up the order I believe.
The problem is that we have very few fixed points of reference in the timeline. But Beatrix being inducted into the Stasi ocurred before her training as a pilot started and it was never stated that putting her in charge of a Stasi TSF unit was always the plan. She wanted to be a pilot and considering that Bea and Iris passed their 8 minutes of death together, Beatrix was NVA for at least some time.

>His family was politically untouchable
It most certainly wasn't, as the fall of Joseph Bernhard proves beyond doubt. His good connections passed on to his son however and dating the daughter of the minister of finance has a fair number of advantages. They protected him quite well for some time, but we know how it all ended.

>they had firm evidence that him and cohorts were involved in a coup
Eleven chapters in and about 9 months till his death and Jürgen has yet to show the intent to participate in a coup. Deep down he wants to change the country and probably sympathized with it, but the twist that Beatrix really is carrying on his will to the letter is still possible. Especially considering how much closer he is to Bea in comparison to Iris at that point in time.

>I don't see how that's more 'noble' than joining [...]
You see that they are quite different motives, though?

>>149374103
>no matter what Sylwia is fucked over
That's just not fair, I want her to get a happy life with Walther and eventually get over her trauma completely.

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>>149375294
There was always going to be despair, friend.

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What did they mean by this?

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This is a good girl.

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>>149373555
On December, I know who to vote for.

>>149373214
Yes, they should be part of the Wachregiment

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>>149373214
No, made up TSF air wing. Stasi remit is greater in the ML world, so they have much more than just a regiment of military equipment. TSFs are counted as air units, and organized as air units, even though most countries' don't operate separate air forces. The Stasi Berlin faction also recently got a TSF wing, but as you saw in the anime, they get wrekt, though it seems much more difficult in Martyrs.

>>149377480
No they aren't you fucking Pactfag. Technically they shouldn't be either.

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>>149376298
Does Vivi know about her husbando's first waifu? Or is Vivi under the impression she's Kurt's first?

>>149378558
>implying that Vivi isn't imoutozoned

I want to misspell Lise's name just to see her pout.

today's stream will be delayed a little they said they have to get the equipment ready.

>>149378782
Source?

>>149378558
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHZr33Wa_08

>>149378795
their twatter

it's up http://live2.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv280979800

Today's stream is up!

http://live2.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv280979800

No sketch this week, the hour switch caught me off guard.

>>149379023
>>149379036
http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv280982206

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>>149379169
Thank you.

>>149379218
anytime

>>149379218
Oh sweet, it's in high quality!

Does anyone have a high quality scan/rip of the cg from Martyrs of the injured Pham hugging Theo?

So is this bully the behind the camera people today?

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>>149379373
Got you covered

>>149379457
More like bully the Staff behind Martyrs. Director-san was here last week, but the scriptwriter should be grilled without mercy.

>Kirke Maniax

Yes or no?

>>149379571
Bea maniax!

Protecting inmouto is hard, when she is a crazy brainwashed prostitute

Were they just reading off crying, 'you raped my feels' comments about Martyrs?

>>149379483
So this is who we blame then. Who do we pummel for fucking up the Iris route and not actually having any romance?

>>149379571
No, give me BiS or TDA you faglords.

>>149379639
>Were they just reading off crying, 'you raped my feels' comments about Martyrs?

There are very many upset moonmen about Irisdina not being an angel and turning down Theo.

Cut scene?

>>149379571
Did they actually ask this question, because I regret not being their to slap the no button like Balke slapped her ass.

LISE WENT NUCLEAR

>>149379818
This is in Irisdina's route.

>>149379639
>>149379724
Why does Iris turn down Theo? Is she just too good for him?

>>149379958
Not like she can turn him down anymore when she was in coma.

>>149372854

Moe as it may be, it's still a walking nutbladder.

I want to take Lise and Farka in and try to make them happy.

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>>149375294
>no matter what Sylwia is fucked over
she's alive in iris route

>>149380264
But Walther isn't. That sounds like something that would drive her further into the abyss.

>>149363029
Shitty slut worst girl gets a route. Why do you faggots even like her?

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>>149380340
Try harder.

>>149380340
I agree, fuck Katia.
Anett should've gotten a route instead of that cockroach.

>>149380369
She and katja looks like shit from k-on or clannad. They deserve to rot like shit

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>>149380399

>>149374238
Theo is deadweight then?

>>149380447
dream team

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>>149379589
Hard, but when you save in the name of tru luv anything is possible.

>>149380447
Twintails are gonna rock the polls.

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How do you make these creatures pout?

>>149380527
All I can say is that it was worth it.
Fuck the 666th
Fuck Farka and Beatrix
and fuck the moderates and stasi
They can all buttfuck each other in hell, I'm getting my Lise back.

>>149380447
Vivi's face looks so relieved, it's kinda funny.
>"at least Katia is not around, maybe I'll get to survive this"

>>149380577
Kill Beatrix?

No, that'd just make Iris sad I suppose.

Why didn't notJack Bauer win ;_;

>>149380617
Yeah, fuck everything for a brainwashed slut just because you knew her who knows how many years ago

Sorry Sylwia, but Cryska's my favorite from TE.

>>149380617
God, Lisefags acting like Katiafags at the end of the anime. They don't give a shit about anything else so long as "their" girl "wins." Totally unsympathetic to others either.

Fuck, the second poll is gonna be much harder.

Cryska and Sylwia. West German Godman and Principal Pajeet

>>149380577
>>149380577
Bap them at the same time? Pull their cheeks?

>>149380617
Not that I don't appreciate the sentiment but it actually isn't even necessary considering things actually turn out better when you save Lise.

>>149380733
Lise's route has the best ending though. Iris and Katia alive. Lise leaving the DDR with her brother. Beatrix put into a shallow grave early so she can't shit things up, and Axmann dead at Theo's hands. Pretty much all the stasi finally dead and the rebellion winning with very little loss. It's the best route from both a moral and greater good standpoint.

In any case though, Lise deserves a happy ending after everything.

>>149380617
That's not nice anon.

>>149380733
That is a fair point you raise. I've found giving them their berth has worked for months, but they're militant now, so meh. Who next then.

>>149380695
I figure she will get the most votes, leaving me free for Sylwia, or Rai.

Why must Theo fuck EVERYTHING up?
>Iris' route has a high survival rate of good girls
>Lise gets her vengeance
>this dumb fuck makes her commit suicide
I get that he's supposed to be flawed, but I can't fucking sympathize with this dumbass at all. Almost everything he does makes me want to punch him.
Which is kinda ironic, coming from a fan of a girl who think he's the best man ever.
>>149380733
Don't pin this on me, I feel bad for all the good girls who had to die.

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>>149380822
>>149380733
One guy does not speak for all of us.

The only girl I like in this shit franchise is Beatrix and guess what, she always dies to let stupid moeblobs win. Useless and stupid but they still survive because they are moeblobs

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>Knifaaaa Attackuuuuuu got more than Sylwia

Yikes!

>>149380878
I've found Lisefags to be the most violently anti-Theo. Nicely ironic all things considered.

They both say TDA and Duty Arcadia Lost. What the difference?>

>>149380733
I'm just happy my waifu got some cute moments and some lines.

;_;

>>149380820
>It's the best route from both a moral and greater good standpoint.
And yet the end result is the same, because only Beatrix could have made the line hold.

>>149380981
>They both say TDA and Duty Arcadia Lost. What the difference?>
The girl who gets to share the cover with Ilfie.

>>149380971
We can smell the Bait, you are no true Beato-fag.

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>>149381014
>We can smell the Bait, you are no true Beato-fag.

I don't know. I can kind of agree with the sentiment.

>>149380971
she kinda has to die because Germany and Europe has to fall which is kinda sad.

>>149381014
So left was whatshername and right was Luna?

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>>149381014
>you are no true Beato-fag.

>>149380981
>I've found Lisefags to be the most violently anti-Theo
No thats Beafags by far.

>>149370105
>Axmann survived Katia route
Oh boy. So does Iris survives her own route?
>>149380650
Jack Bauer in Alter-verse when.

>>149380981
Pretty sure that is beatofags who are most anti Theo.

>>149381046
Yuzuka was left, Ellen was right.

>>149381041
>>149381052
His argumentation is too similar to BRs "lets kill all blondes", its bait. And then there's:
>The only girl I like in this shit franchise is Beatrix

>>149381090
>So does Iris survives her own route?
In a coma. Which is implied to be not entirely caused by her wounds.

>>149380678
Well this is the for true love game after all. Things are better too.

>>149381014
It's not bait
Characters I like:
>Beatrix
>Pham
>Sylvia

Characters that always die: Those three

Characters I hate because they are useless moeblobs that totally ruin the mood with their UGUUU:
>Katja
>Lise

They could have made something different for once. even more because those two are basically the same shit

>>149381136
So is that one Lisefag's post, but you're quick to jump on board and say all Lisefags are acting like Katiafags.

>>149381164
Pham and Sylwia survive Irisdina's route. Beatrix, Axmann, and Schmidt are the only characters in Martyrs who always die no matter what. Every other character can trade deathflags depending on route.

>>149381206
>Beatrix, Axmann, and Schmidt are the only characters in Martyrs who always die no matter what.

Shame that Beatrix is placed in the same bracket as those two on Martyrs' "need to die" list.

>>149381136
>In a coma.
I see, so bad end all around then.

>>149381237
Heroes always kill the villain(s).

>>149381136
>In a coma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2jWTyiPcHY

>>149381172
You are responding to the wrong guy.

>>149381164
>Characters that always die: Those three
So the route where two out of those three survive, the third gets her redemption and both moeblobs die doesn't exist? If it isn't bait, it sure looks like it.

>>149381238
She wakes up, looks around, then closes her eyes again. Interpret it however you want. Some interpret it as Iris having given up, the remorse and guilt having finally broken her.

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>>149381117
Nah, see in my observations, Lisefags are especially incensed at how bad Theo ends up protecting his imouto's smile. So in the end, they just excoriate Theo for every little fault, and flat out refuse to look at mitigating factors or any good points he has. Basically, in story, they'd be the ones trying to convince her to forget about her oniichan and "move on".

Beatofags are upset at Theo's ways, but for the most part, it depends on what camp you're in. One camp sort of doesn't like Theo because he flat out refuses to open his eyes and to take her open hand, and hear her out. But they find it funny Theo does end up embracing her way.

I'm a Phamfag, so like Pham-nee, I try to love just about everyone.

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>>149381238
No, it's implied that she's rejecting responsibility after Beatrix's death. It fucks her up, because she finally sees that Beatrix wasn't a monster and stops pushing all her guilt onto her and is forced to start accepting it (like running away from Beatrix and leaving her to Axmann). You can watch it in this video: http://sendvid.com/ku94vadb

There's also the implication that she's began to question her ideals by the end too.

In the ending slide in fact, Theo says that they really need Irisdina now more then ever because things are going to shit. Then they show Iris sleeping. The next moment, she opens her eyes, looks around, and goes back to sleep with a smile. It's like she has given up and would rather stay in dreamland then deal with all the shit and guilt she has.

So it turns out that much like Beatrix, she was ultimately not as strong as everyone thought she was and broke too.

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I want to beat Simone until she cowers and cries like a little girl who upset her abusive stepfather

>>149381359
Except they don't and you're generalizing Lisefags as all having the same simplified outlook while relieving Beafags of all the Theo bashing they've been doing since Martyrs came out you, you're bias is painfully obvious then you turn around and try to act innocent as if you're intentionally skewed "observations" aren't you're own you hypocrite.

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>>149381426
>like running away from Beatrix and leaving her to Axmann
So that's why she always apologizes to Jurgen after killing Beatrix. She couldn't even protect Beatrix like Jurgen had wanted (I remember the tape translation telling Beatrix that she should lean on Iris when the pain becomes too much).

>>149381206
Also Walter

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>>149381533
>>149381206
>forgetting Farka

Reminder that in a happier world Anett and Farka could've been like sisters. ;_;

>>149381558
Farka doesn't even appear in Katia's route.

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>>149379724
>and turning down Theo.
Absolutely subversive, cookie.

>>149381574
She's just nameless and faceless fodder there, but she certainly dies there as well.

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>>149381459
Why are you so incredibly angry? Is it because you were called out and it's on the mark? You're not making a very good case for Lisefags as it is right now, raging and frothing at the mouth. Calm down, have a beer like Lise.

>>149381426
At least on that last point, that's what Theo was for I think. He's the final, the end, the testament of will.

Also, as a nice enjoinder to Beafags, it seems Theo no matter the route ends up taking up her ideals, in a way. Humanity, no matter the price.

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>>149381164
>actually hating on Lise
I thought this was just either ignorant animeonlies or shitposters but you have to be a massive cunt to know the truth of the situation and yet hate Lise just because she's cute. Lash out like a manchild all you want but you're not making yourself or whatever position you're trying to uphold look very good.

>>149381715
>so incredibly angry
What shit am I being called out on? I've done nothing but point out the shit you've been pulling this whole time.

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>>149381715
>Also, as a nice enjoinder to Beafags, it seems Theo no matter the route ends up taking up her ideals, in a way. Humanity, no matter the price.

No he isn't. He's still running away, and now he's effectively fighting Beatrix 2.0

>>149381259
The 666th aren't heroes nor is Beatrix a villain.

>>149381821
Purple is a stupid color

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>>149381426
I want to take care of this cute hauptmann

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>>149381778
Who are you conflating me with? You sound like you're paranoid and fighting some vast conspiracy. fyi I barely talk about Lise at all, or say good things about her. At most, I bully her. So it can't be me you're trying to be George so you can go out and slay the dragon. Wait, do you seriously think I'm >>149381164 >>149380971 or whoever else?

>>149381164
>and then there's this asshole

>>149381164
>mentioning liking Sylwia while shitting on other girls
Please don't make it hard for us. It's enough that there's like three of us at best and AIDS shitposter occasionally pops up to shit on her.
Beatrixfags and Phamfags suffered enough too.

>It's a "fanbase implodes" episode
Naisu

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>>149381890
Stop trying to miss the point anon, your post about Beafags and Lisefags and their treatment of Theo was obviously skewed with an agenda to pull and you know it.

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>>149381821
Why did this author give them IRG fortifieds? Neither of them are IRG.

As for your statement, I'll agree to disagree. It depends on what you feel the Master's goals are. Yuuko is similar to Beatrix, but when I compare them, I can't help but note more of their differences than their similarities.

Then again, I'm not even entirely convinced he IS the Master, so there's that.

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>>149381459
I bash Theo because he killed my favorite girl ever, and now is trying to kill my second most favorite girl just because he's an idiot who can't get over himself.

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No matter the route the ending is still the same. That's why you can consider all canon and heroines won't appear anymore in next VNs.
All heroines die when Europe falls at some point and depending on route their death is just delayed as they are later named as seven heroes.
Only Theo survives watching Europe fall realizing how wrong and naive he was and probably starting his road down the path of becoming the Master.
and the limitation of your ideals line is very important for some reason since its in every route and they want to hammer that in and are the words that will stick with Theo.

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>>149381959
Nah you haven't refuted a thing. Your perceptions of an agenda or what that agenda is nonewithstanding, you're making a good retrograde case for why Lisefags are the new Katiafags. But then I remember you, you're sort of obnoxious and obvious, so no one has any difficulty isolating you.

>>149381940
The various factions have been held together largely by spit, old tape, and prayers. I'm actually mildly surprised how it's mostly stayed intact, besides the departure of most of the Katiafags. Besides occasional flare ups or eruptions over the months, it's stayed together. And not just here, but on other places where they do know more than just the anime, and in Nip and Chink lands.

>>149382010
I want to grab Yuuko by the collar so much.

>>149382101
>Anett is hanging out with fucking Gretel instead of spending time with Inghild
What a bitch.

>>149382010
>>149381821
Wait, can someone fill me in on this Theo is trying to kill Yuuko meme? I mean okay he throws a knife at (presumably) Yokohama Base at the end of TE, but what does it end result in? I do not recall anything, anything tying him to that in TE, and considering Master wasn't a thing until TE, that makes it even weirder. How would he anyways? Does he get magic BETA summoning powers?

>>149382237
>Does he get magic BETA summoning powers?
The truth is he never dicked Lise in SM. He became a wizard and is on his way to becoming an archwizard.

>>149382105
>but then I remember you
Whose the paranoid conspiracy theorist now? You can't even deny that you were being a hypocrite and a liar. Stop trying to champion Beafags because you're not doing them any favors with your memeposting, if anything you are more like the katiafags of old.

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>>149382220
I wanna see Pham and Inghild hugging Theo side by side, him dying in marshmallow hell symmetrical docking. That or very kind/sensually hugging/keepu, with docking.

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>>149382370
I wanna see Iris and Bea hugging Theo side by side, bullying him with their drunken advances.

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Is it over? Can we be friends again?

>>149382640
Only if I can headpat pic related.

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>>149382657
Please do. She hasn't had her daily allowance.

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I think Martyrs proves once and for all that Beatrix > Iris. Theo sacrificed his sister, followed her through hell, killed people, and torture himself for her, and Iris can't even be bothered to give him a kiss, while Beatrix and Jurgen are hitting first base by the end of their first novel.

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>>149380258
>turning angry little wolves into happy little wolves
This anon is your friend. He fights for love.

>>149382787
Does Theo love Iris for who she is, or for what she is?

>>149382787
oh god how i hope we will someday get BiS VN.

>>149382934
>>149382787
BiS more of a romance novel then an action/scifi like SM, so the comparison isn't really fair.

>>149381238
Hey S.T.A.L.K.E.R. are you still an anti-Beatrix Katiafag like back in the days of the anime?

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>>149382987
i wasn't compering anything. i was just stating the fact that i wan't BiS and more of yukari voice since i think she nailed Beatrix perfectly.

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>>149382370
>>149382451
Looks like we found GK's next projects to add to his list?

>>149381936
Should Phamfags and Sylwiafags make the Broken Cakes Union to stand in the face of mutual threats that they're too few in number to take on alone? It could be like the Imouto Alliance of old, except actually last. Then again, it's already probably in effect.

>>149383088
I know, and that's probably one of the reasons why we'll never get BiS. She's just too good and top tier.

>tfw Martyrs will close the door on SM
>tfw no more Beatrix or Lise

>>149383208
lets hope they get a lot of western bucks when they release it here.

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kurwa kurwa

I was just crunching numbers for the overall sales of age's games:
We know that they sold over 500,000 copies of their games. Not to mention 3 million figurines, and other hobby stuff.

If we take just the game copies sold and multiply their usual price (I'm assuming for the most part about the price, judging from their prices of several games which is 8,500 yen) we get roughly $41,410,000. That's in US dollars. I read that on average a game maker make 40%-60% per piece. So lets say their profit margin is an even 50%. That over $20,000,000, without taking into account figurine and other hobby sales like tsf kits. Why the fuck do I always hear that Age is always running on a tight budget and that they always cut corners? These guys are rich for what they do. Really so. Am I missing something here like some extra costs?

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>>149383262
kurwa kurwa indeed

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>>149383244
Really though, what are the chances of the most neglected tragic heroine getting her own VN anyways?

>>149383276
You are missing the factor of ixtl, their shareholders. A company owned like that would probably be sending around 50% of their profits to the shareholders.

So that puts their hypothetical around or probably below 25%, considering how they constantly fail to meet deadlines and produce budgets for material.

>>149383321
this. Ixtl is the biggest limitation for age.

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>>149383208
Never say never anon. SM is getting an official english release and if it does well maybe Age will take notice.

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Fucking why did we never get an answer for how she was penetrated?

Now there's shield bash and internal bleeding do add to ambiguous nonsense deaths.

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>>149383607
They were pretty explicit about it in other cases.

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Beatrix taking on both Annete and Theo was pretty badass. Is Beatrix the best pilot in SM, or is it her machine though?

By the way, the VN confirms that it was Theo who was shooting up civilians while trying to kill Beatrix. Then he blames Beatrix for it because she's fighting in the streets when he did the exact same shit earlier.

>>149383276
They do well enough to be able to continually make spinoffs and merch, but Muv-Luv still hasn't managed to get a high-production anime or an adaptation of the only thing people really care about, Alternative.
It's a reasonably popular series that seems to have stable enough sales for it to continue, but it's far from a blockbuster success of say, Fate. Plus the series was in a danger zone for many years.

>>149364747
I'm sure that they're just baiting at this point. There's no way people would still take the anime adaptation at face value now that screens of the second VN have appeared online.

>>149383871
Beatrix is one of the best pilots as of 1983. Her new toys simply increased her ability to survive.

If Theo and Annette caught her while she was still fairly rested and her TSF wasn't beaten up, I don't think they would have even been given a chance to have a hard time. Beatrix was basically in cheatmode until Schmidt kept sending her out.

>>149368259
Tell to her she needs to go back to work.

Is it worth playing through Lise's route just to see her suffer?

>>149384038
Her route is the best thing to come out of Schwarzesmarken.

>>149384038
Its worth it to finally see her live and have a chance at happiness again.

>>149384030
Alright, she pushed me onto the office couch, ripped off my pants and is now kneading my balls, all the while explaining how tough her current assignment is.

What do?

>>149384070
>Lise saved
>Iris and Katia alive
>666th still okay
>Beatrix and Axmann dead
>Stasi completely eradicated
>the DDR not massively wounded

Yeah, it's pretty much the only "happy" ending in SM.

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>>149384124
>beatrix dead
>"happy"

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>>149384124
>Beatrix still dead
Thats the only problem.

>>149384082
You let her ride you.. And later you have to cuddle with her.

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>>149384149
>>149384160
Needed to happen for the DDR to heal. Furthermore, you have to remember that she was still apart of the apparatus that cause many of the problems in SM, including Lise.

Besides, even if you may sympathize with her and think her death was a loss, it's still the happiest of the three endings. I would kill Beatrix every single time with no regrets, even if she was a good person, if it protected this imouto's precious smile.

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>>149384297
>Needed to happen

>>149384297
god i wish you would leave. you are probably just a katia fag pretending as lise fag to divide us. remember without beato lise would still be axmanns slave. there is no healing for DDR only destruction. beato had to die in every route so the ending would be the same - downfall of europe.

>>149384337
Well, it was either her or Iris, and I choose Iris, but really, it's difficult for me to care about anyone except Lise. Lise suffered the most for love, while everyone else is to much about politics, greed, or greater good. Only Lise is doing everything out of love and not using Theo as a tool.

>>149384297
>Needed to happen for the DDR to heal
Healing the DDR is unnecessary for the good of mankind.
>you have to remember that she was still apart of the apparatus that cause many of the problems in SM, including Lise.
If the nature of her recruitment absolves Lise, the same is true of Beatrix.
>[...]if it protected this imouto's precious smile.
Alright, we are down to opinions. Lise deserved happiness, but Theo's actions where not the only path he could take, and she not been mindwiped, her reaction to them would not have been necessarily joy.

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>>149384297
But the problem is Beatrix's plan wasn't necessarily wrong and could have worked. Lise's motivation for helping her until the amnesia was to get Theo under her jurisdiction/protection because it was the safest place for him to be as far as she could tell and then continue to help Bea come to power in order to wipe out Axmann and his ilk from the DDR, they were the true problem. And once that was done she and Theo could leave Germany if need be.

Yes Lise route has the best overall ending but its still tragic, Beatrix was not personally a problem for Lise.

Also please stop antagonizing the Beafags. They're friends.

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>>149384443
>Well, it was either her or Iris, and I choose Iris

>>149384451
>Alright, we are down to opinions. Lise deserved happiness, but Theo's actions where not the only path he could take, and she not been mindwiped, her reaction to them would not have been necessarily joy.
How would she have reacted then? Would she have really condemned him? After all, she had no love for the stasi, and only followed them out of fear. As she said at the beginning of her route, she and Theo could only trust each other. Perhaps she'd feel not ire, but relief instead that that chapter of her life was finally over, that the impossible had occurred, and that she was finally free.

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>>149384443
Iris gave Lise back to Axmann dude. Lise is my favorite too and she did suffer the most for love but c'mon you're being silly.

>>149384547
No. She had even less love for the rebellion because at least in Beatrix's faction she saw hope for a better future. Beatrix's death was not necessary for Lise to someday be free from the stasi.

>>149384547
She would have been pissed that Theo saved Iris, but that's about it. I don't think it'd be a big deal because Lise can't really connect or feel empathy for anyone who is not Theo thanks to her time in the stasi.

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>Sacrifices his life for his sister because she fell in with a bad crowd
>Final request for her is to protect his waifu and not abandon her
>Goes out thinking that at least his two most precious gems will be safe
>sister instead abandons waifu because things are to hard
>sister then ultimately kills waifu when waifu becomes a deranged, lonely mess
>does this to carry out your will
>goes comatose of her own will when things become too heavy

How disappointed would Jurgen be in Irisdina if he were alive? She does apologize to him in every single route over dropping the whole Beatrix situation.

>>149384185
I swallowed hard. How was I supposed to get out of this situation? Naturally, my instincts said yes, but I went crazy worrying about the consequences. Whether I liked it or not, my life was tied to others in the 101st. The decisions I made would affect others regardless of my intentions. How about her? Why did she act so strangely, anyway? Didn’t she worry about the repercussions either? She wanted to save the DDR, didn’t she? Scheißer, there was too much at stake. I knew I would regret this later, but I decided to leave. But what knelt in front of me was Beatrix, who silently leaned in to put more of her weight on my legs. She stared at my crotch fortunately with underwear still on. It was a strange sight, because she didn't seem the type of person to carry such a reclusive expression on her face. “You… you’ll do it with me…” the flirty words emanating from her succulent mouth, along with her brilliant ruby eyes, floated up to meet mine. “…won’t you?” Her arm was stretched over my shoulder, as if saying ‘you can’t go, Oberleutnant'. Fuck. If you look at me with such eyes, I’ll-

No, damn it. I wanted her. But I couldn’t let a boner get to me. I edged sideways on the couch, preparing to brush her arms away from my body and run out to the door. “I already told you, I can’t just do it at the spur of the moment! I’ll think about this…” I proceeded to try and push her off me. Her hair brushed past my face in a fraction of a second. Then suddenly, I was out of breath. I couldn’t breathe, to be precise. A pair of delicate hands were tightly covered around my mouth and nose. My eyes widened in shock.

>>149385483
You’re kidding me, right? Are you mad that I’m refusing you? God damn it, Major!
Major!

My mind furiously tried to catch up to what happening. Beatrix was trying to suffocate me. I wrenched her hands away from my face and lunged off the couch and for the door. Bam. Thud. I fell to the floor, cringing as an unbelievable pain radiated from my backside. She straddled me. The suffocation recommenced. Well, this is great. I’m going to die because I refused sex from a girl in heat. My vision dimmed. I could barely see her face, but she wasn’t even looking at me. I lost control of my arms and legs. My last attempt at escape failed as my arms crashed to the ground like lead. I…sure hope you’re not into necrophilia, Major.

...

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>>149385483
You better not be taking your CBT to mah VN Beato. Anime is okay since she's a cunt there.

>>149385548
“uugh…” Truthfully, I wasn’t a groaning man. But I couldn’t help it. It’s not like I could think straight, either. My senses slowly began to return. My pants were nowhere to be seen. My crotch was completely damp with her saliva. And my dick was out of view, completely concealed by Beatrix's cute mouth. The cute mouth I was violating with my penis. …although in truth, she was probably the one doing the violating. Either way, I was too brain-dead and aroused to care. “mm…naaah…” The suction ceased. I had to admit, I was pretty disappointed when it stopped. My blurred vision briefly saw her standing up. Her panties slid down her delicious thighs. “Do you understand what’s happening, Oberleutnant?” she whispered in my ear. Before I knew it, she was squatting over my limp body. The lips of her entrance were sopping wet. I deduced this even in my groggy state because it hovered right above my steadfast dick. I felt her juices drip down onto my waiting penis, the drops of her essence gliding down my impatient shaft. My mouth opened, but no words came out. She lowered herself onto me. Her tightness swallowed my dick in one motion. “aaaah!”

>>149385611
I yelled from the sensation. She gripped my shoulders as she rocked back and forth mercilessly, sinking me deep into her womb with every stroke. The thundering pleasure of her vaginal walls, clamping down on my dick, awoke my body. I was suddenly very aware of what we were doing.

“M-Major! What are y-“

Before I could finish what I was saying, she crashed her mouth onto mine. The same tongue that teased my dick was lustfully playing around in my mouth, seeking out my own. That was it. Kicking reason to the curb, I succumbed to the unlikely temptation that was Beatrix Brehme.

I held her body tight as I ground my hips against hers. She broke off from the wet kiss, and looked at me intently with a lustful gaze. “Ah…ah… Do you…do you want to see…?” She took her hand off my shoulder to lift up her dirndl. The lips of her pussy enveloped all of my dick with every rapid swaying of her hips. Beatrix was lifting up her skirt to show me where I was fucking her. That image was too much.

She leaned backwards, using both of her arms for support as she lifted her weight off of my body. I grabbed her hips and started ramming her hungrily. She started screaming.

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>>149385554
>Not having some sympathy for the victim of Watanabe's butchery.
You just have to beat and fuck the niceness back into her, and she'll turn out alright.

>>149385674
Thud. Her arms slipped, and she fell to the floor. Neither of us cared. Still inside her, I went on my knees and continued hammering her vagina. My thighs and her ass were completely wet from the juices that sprayed from her pussy. I dissolved myself into the sensation, feeling how the ridges in her vaginal tunnel teased me as I pushed through its tightness with every pump of my rigid dick. In and out, in and out, quickly and sloppily as her juices gushed outwards in response.

And then, in the height of the moment, she convulsed. Her back arched upwards as she groaned loudly and uncontrollably. I kept on with my thrusting, feeling her contractions as I plunged my dick deep in her shaking pussy. Thick semen dribbled and spurted out of me while I continued moving back and forth inside her. With a feeling of completeness, I collapsed on top of her.

She held me, still shaking and panting from the encounter. Her breath smelled sweet, and her body was warm. However, she still wouldn’t look me in the eye. “I… I hurt you, Oberleutnant…” She mumbled. She decides to feel guilty now, of all times. You’re not being fair, Major. But for a man who nearly got suffocated, I was taking it quite well.

“It’s okay,” I said reassuringly. “We both liked it in the end, didn’t we?”

“…but I tried to suffocate you! And I took advantage of you while you were knocked out. I… I raped y-“

“-sshh.”

I stopped her by resting a hand on her messy hair. We laid down on the floor silently for a few moments while I stroked her gently.

“Beatrix, you idiot.” I said with a smile. She looked up at me inquisitively. “Didn’t you know?”

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>>149385483
>>149385548
>>149385611
>>149385674
>>149385747
That was a lot hotter then expected.

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anyone has other two songs that play when Beato dies? All of them sound so sad and tragic.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0r8mDG0nWLz

and anyone knows how to go about ripping sprites and in what format are they?

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>>149386122
the only one who will never get a happy ending

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>>149385483
She having sex with Theo? He's the only one I can think of who'd try to back out.

>>149386361
theo doesn't really care for others in the 101st nor is he a 1st lt

>>149386405
>1st lt
Promotions?

>theo doesn't really care for others in the 101st
Given time, and Lise not manipulating his paranoia so that only she'd be the center of his world, he might have though.

>>149386458
i think it's meant to be in your imagination. beatrix only addresses the mc by rank

>>149385357
I thought in iris route Beatrix dies due to some missile barrage that also hit Iris

>>149386458
>manipulating his paranoia
More like giving him fair warning of the truth of the situation. She knows he has radical rebellious thoughts and if anyone had suspicion he would act on them he'd be informed on and sent up shit creak without a paddle and there would be nothing Lise could do about it. In fact she could be fucked over too for being guilty by association.

>>149386276
And that's why she deserves our undying love.

>>149386640
For all his rebellious thoughts and distaste for the Stasi, which show very clearly in his face and attitude, Beatrix was immensely lenient. Lise's "don't trust anyone" only gave him an attitude even worse than the one he had pre-character development.

>>149386640
It was justifiable in Lise's route, but don't think that had he initially found his way into the Werewolves earlier, that she wouldn't have tried the same shit. Lise would love it if she was the only one who Theo trusted, loved and gave attention too. Friends would be just a distraction, a potential danger, or worst, a slut who'd steal him away.

>>149386786
>>149386640
>>149386787

Yeah, and she's kind of wrong anyway, because Farka gives her life to reunite Theo and Lise. Really, you can read it as as just a warning, but it's very much in character for Lise to play off of Theo's fears to make her the center of his world.

>>149383155
That sounds like a neat idea.

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So it looks like Beatrix tells Theo about moderates, but he doesn't want to believe it. He probably thinks she's just trying to manipulate him.

>>149384124
>Katia alive
>happy

>>149383607
It seems like it caught her in the gut.

Theo pulls out afterwards though.

>>149383155
>Should Phamfags and Sylwiafags make the Broken Cakes Union [etc.]
Sylwia is 18, Anon. She has a long way to go before becoming a Cake.

>>149387167
So basically he's behaving like he was to Iris at the start of SM.

>>149387352
yes. he is always thinking of Iris just like in Katias route.

>>149386786
>>149386787
>>149386866
While Lise would obviously love to be the center of his world she already was at that point, him being stolen away wasn't her motivation for saying what she did. You forget that Lise is even more paranoid than Theo and for good reason, and if Farka felt that Theo was a threat to the batallion or a threat to Lise(after all Farka didn't trust Theo at first either) then she could report on him. Everyone monitors each other, even Farka monitors Lise and Lise monitors Farka, thats how things work in the Stasi.

Ultimately yes Theo and Lise couldn't trust anyone but each other at that point. It would be very dangerous regardless for Theo to say the wrong thing at the wrong time given how new he was. That he was given a chance at all as either a measure of good will to Lise or because Beatrix figured she could keep Theo in line as long as she used Lise as the carrot for her stick, it would be foolish to expect that leniency to last if Theo starts acting too moderate.

She's not that possessive of Theo when it comes to friends or even other girls either. She jokes about his "harem" in the 666th and teases him over how Iris is his type. As long as she knows he loves her and she isn't being replaced in his heart theres no problem, and had he found his way into the Werewolves by other means than it happened in the Lise route she would have said the same thing to him for the same reason.

>>149387494
and about werewolf and reporting on each other Lise said that everything is reported to Beato first and than she personally verifies if if accusations are even true.

>>149387624
Well in the LN, the Werewolves don't really have to worry about that. I mean, Beatrix makes jokes about the USSR and socialism (like mocking how Moscow was dead). If anything, they come off as feeling like they're above it. When everyone has commissar powers (as established in Chapter 3) over one another, nobody gets arrested.

>>149384124
Too bad all of this had to be tied to the worst girl's route.

>>149387774
i think the reason they didn't humanize the werewolves in VN like they were in LN is because Theo betrays them and they didn't want to portray him as a bigger dick than he already is and make reader feel like shit because normally reader self insert as MC.

>>149388115
I don't know. I kind of feel like a dick about Beatrix and Farka, but then, I look at Japanese comments and they seem to feel great about betraying the Werewolves to save Iris.

>>149388115
Nah, it was because of the time constraints.
>>149387167
>>149387352
He pulled the same shit to the 666th and Iris.

>>149387774
The LN Werewolves seem to have had a more trusting bond than the VN wolves, perhaps more anime influence going on there. As for Theo coming in from the 666th he's in hot water as it is, certainly not one to be trusted but possibly controlled through his attachment to Lise. And it worked until she went missing and the factor Beatrix really didn't expect occurred: Katia's speech.

>>149388183
Waifufags read galge? Who'd have thought.

>>149388183
>I look at Japanese comments and they seem to feel great about betraying the Werewolves to save Iris.
Irisfags rejoicing that Theo never really turns on her?

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>>149387957
Stop being retarded.

>>149388253
Pretty much. Jap plebs don't consider Beatrix very hot either. Sexy voice and design = bad for whatever reason.

>>149388253
Irisfag here, he should have picked a side and stuck with it. None of this wishywashy moral bullshit.

>>149388296
>Jap plebs don't consider Beatrix very hot either.
You mean Katia? Beatrix is among the top 3 in popularity, friend.

>>149388332
No, I'm talking about the plebs, not the fans. There's a difference. Fans love Beatrix, plebs don't. You see the same sort of shit happen in Western fandoms too.

>>149388304
Not all of you lot are the same, but quite a number of you do believe that Theo's imagined Iris is the real one.

>Anett survives every route only to live with the horrors she witnessed/done
Why is she such a cosmic plaything?

>>149388295
It really sucks big time the game has nothing else to offer. That's the truth.

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>>149388489
Because she lets good girls die or kills them personally.

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>>149388253
From 2chan. A lot of them really did wanted Beatrix to survive at least one route. (Note that ベア = Bea but is translated to Bear by machine translators)

>柴犬後編が予想以上にボリューム無くて明日にはこの戦場に戻れそうだ
>その時はよろしく頼むぜ！
そんな！
ベアトリクス様はどうなるっていうのよ？

柴犬のリィズがウザったいんですけお…
シルヴィアとベアトリクスのファックが出るゲームください
ファムでもいいよ
政治将校はいらない

>ベア様生存ルートあるんだろうか
ネタバレは無しでお願いします

TEと違ってちゃんと分岐あるのね＞柴犬
ベア様生存ルートあるんだろうか

>柴犬後編が予想以上にボリューム無くて明日にはこの戦場に戻れそうだ
>その時はよろしく頼むぜ！
そんな！ベアトリクス様はどうなるっていうのよ？！

ベア様が生きて幸せになるエンドないんですか？
エロドールの性奴隷エンドでもいいんですが

ベアトリクスはありゃダメだな
ユルゲン蘇生せんことには

>ベアトリクスはありゃダメだな
>ユルゲン蘇生せんことには
愛するってつらいよね外伝読んでるとベアトリクスには幸せになって欲しいで、次の３巻いつですか？

>>149388519
So what, you're gonna shitpost against a character like a mindless mong like its her fault you're angry? You're like an irrational little monkey.

>>149388389
I want to take care of the real Iris. The fake one doesn't interest me.

>>149389409
I'd take care of her. With my fists.

>>149389693
I'll do the same. I want to beat up nerds like you.

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>>149388740
>>149363630
I think the reason why Beatrix is my waifu (apart from her design and dat Yukarin) is just how much she struggles. She's not a very good, or nice person, and she knows it. In fact, her environment actively forces her not to be. And yet, it's those cracks of genuine humanity or kindness in her persona that end up making her so endearing. Even when she doesn't want to, even if she would like to banish her emotions and guilt to better carry out a dead lover's dream and become the villain that everyone thinks she is, she still can't help it and ends doing small things here and there.

She didn't need to comfort Marai or Lise, risk her life covering her Werewolves retreat, or stay behind and uphold her deal with the 666th to rescue them, but she did. Ironically, these actions of altruism almost always end up being her downfall too.

You see, with the protagonist, the incentive is to be good. There are plenty of opportunities for kindness, compassion, trust, altruism and heroism for them, and examples of these are found in abundance throughout SM. (I guess this is why so many seem so disappointed by Theo's behavior) They have it easy in a sense, whereas with Beatrix, the incentive is too do evil, and be evil. Yet Beatrix still ends up doing good, and these acts glimmer all the brighter for it.

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>>149389896
Took the words right out of my mouth. But in my case the "not her family loved her" angle simply grabs me by the heart and makes me unable to let go. And the Gap-moe is simply too strong.

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>>149385483
>>149385548
>>149385611
>>149385674
>>149385747
Life is cruel, mon ami

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>>149389896
Beatrix is my second favorite for much the same reasons you described. While tragedy and hardship abounds in SM I find her and Lise more enticing than the rest precisely because to a much greater and more damaging degree their lives have given them no choice but to come face to face with and experience the worst humanity has to offer and still find a way to live on and power through whether its with the hope for a better day or to fulfill the ideal they believe in.

I just find myself drawn more to the ones in most need of help I guess. The most broken. It makes them shine all the brighter. But not because of weakness or helplessness on their part, but the strength they've shown as they're tested by suffering.

>>149389191
I'm not that anon, just saying Kouki fucked up

>>149390841
Not sure why you responded to me then, but okay anon.

>>149390841
don't think kouki is much involved anymore he is just there to boss people around and have sex with VA.

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>>149389896
>>149390051
>>149390721
Thinking about it, the inverse works for Katia too. Her ideals are never challenged or confronted, and everything is so convenient for her. She never faces an internal crises, or has to choose the lesser of two evils, because every choice she makes is the greater of two goods. She doesn't just have an opportunity to be upstanding, she's drowning in them. She doesn't even have to seek them out, all she has to do is sit complacently as these opportunities fall into her lap or are given to her by others with much more tortured existences. There is no weight that hobbles her back like Irisdina or Beatrix.

I think this is the key thing that are all picking up upon with Katia. She has it easy, basically, and her convictions feel unearned. Which is why, despite being a likable, cute little girl, she's so disliked by so much of the fandom.

Even Lise in the end is somewhat in the same boat as Katia. Though infinitely more sympathetic, for all the horror she undergoes, she never has to "choose" evil simply because she never even had the choice. She's always being controlled of screwed with by someone else. This isn't to imply she doesn't have a load; she carries some of the heaviest burdens even with being forced into sin, but only to say that she does not choose. still second favorite though

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>>149390941
>and have sex with VA
So that's why he didn't really need a Beato route?

>>149391104
Poor Yukarin, she deserves better.

>>149391104
he just banged yukari on a dirty couch while she was wearing Beato mask and doing her voice.

>>149391104
I hope it's the bad lighting, because that "gold" ring couldn't look any faker.

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>>149391194
>implying he didn't just stuff her in a daki and cut out holes for her vagina and ass.

Get on cookie's level.

>>149391104
We didn't have one because ixtl thinks it won't make money.

Does Beatrix like to read?

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>>149391309
They approved of this at one point.

With some luck they'll approve the release of other two volumes.

>>149391345
Cookbooks.

Is it easy to scare Farka?

>>149391405
Would you hit them with snowballs?

>>149391405
>Cookbooks.
That wasn't what I was looking for, but I guess that works too.

Does the new VN has any cool tracks on the OST?