Discuss the best manga ever

>>149314752
It's the best manga ever anon, what's there to discuss?

I'm not even joking

>>149314908
Indeed...just proclaim his superiority

This is not a meme

All the other "seinen" manga are "shonen" compared to this one

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>>149314752
> Any theories behind Mon's first metting with Higumadon and the whole teddy bear he was carrying?

> I thought Mon wanted to change the world so the ending caught me off guard, I mean he talked about power ruling over everything and being absolute, yet he didn't seem to ahcieve that in the end, are there any theories behind it? Did Maria change his outlook or something?

> Was the death of Mon linked to Higumadon's death? Like did he die when Higumadon died and had everything already set up for the ending?

> Did you cry for Toshi anons?

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>>149316462
Did he ever feel any sort of emotion towards Toshi or was he nothing but a tool to serve his goal?

>>149316462
Toshi is probably the best character
His character evolution is rather impressive

>>149316462
At the end all humanity perish the same

The ending reminded me of narutaru

>>149314752
https://bakabt.me/torrent/179332/the-world-is-mine-twim
If anyone want to read this

Rereading this a year later and every page's paneling is great. Arai's manga are some of my favorite for sure

>>149317335
Well yeah, so?

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Love this page.

>>149317455
His layout is similar to Ultra Heaven

>>149317635
all human life on Earth were extinguished in the end, right?
That's the best part of the manga

>>149318477
yeah but why.

>>149319656
why it is what humanity deserves for killing toshi

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How should i read this?

>>149314752
It's a literal masterpiece. Glad you like it.

>>149321053
Top to bottom, right to left.

>>149314752
Let me guess, you like Orel-san.

>>149323107
>Orel-san
the french rapper?Nope

>>149323861
Oh, thought this because he said his favorite manga was the world is mine in his last interview like 2 weeks ago.

>>149323963
>Orel-san
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn2_H0mxeLA
the world is mine has been translated in french.... lucky bastards

>>149324039
I've got all the French volumes and they are of pretty average quality. At least the translation is decent.

>>149324147
Are you french indeed?
Well, at least they have an official release.
I never trust scan

>>149324338
I've got the 真説 moon release (5 volumes, about 70USD in total), but I haven't read them. I also got all the French ones (as well as Kiichi!! and Kiichi!! VS by the same author) and I've got the say, haven't read the scanlation too, that the latter is of very high quality. The scans themselves are pretty good too, probably better than the French version anyway.

>>149324628
>真説 moon release
>>149321421 this one?

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>>149324684
Yes, that's the one. It's from the author's new publisher, Enterbrain, and each volume contains twice as much content compared to the original release by Shogakukan (YS). My only problem is that the covers are complete shit compared to the original, which were very beautiful to begin with. The problem is that the original edition is out of print, hence the reprint. You could still get it second hand though.

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I've had this downloaded for years, even before this since this was the date I just moved shit from one HDD to the next, and I don't think I've read a single chapter

>>149314752
It wast the same Maria... I didnt get it and didnt want to read the whole thing again.

>>149324969
well, you can start right now

>>149325184
what?

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>>149321421
love this binding art

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>>149327447
I loved Mon's character, he was fascinating, he was a complete animal functioning on instincts and completely oblivious to human society and its customs and ways of behaving. In reality this is rather common with generic shonen protagonists like Luffy or Goku that seem borderline autistic, but of course the difference being that TWIM is a more mature manga so even though it's an extremely odd character it doesn't feel stupid.

Seeing him fuck woman as if they were mere objects for his pleasure instincts was pretty cool because as sexist as it sounds it really wasn't because he'd fuck anything regardless of looks, age, or even gender, it was just basic nature for him to fuck something.

Has anyone read any other manga with characters remotely close to Mon?

>>149314752
I loved it but what exactly was Mon? Was he human? Toshi's development throughout was brilliant.

>>149327808
Toshi dead was a mistake...but then all humanity died. So it's okay

>>149327808
The duo Toshi-Mon and the beast Higumadon were the surreal part of the story...

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>>149327808
Yeah he was human, but the supernatural aspects in the manga are just never explored, it's just what it is basically.

My theory is that Mon for whatever the reason was "chosen" by god or whatever and for who knows what, maybe for the end goal that the manga showed. The good ol' "Humans have destroyed the earth, time to cleanse humanity!" story line.

>>149328031
What hurts the most is that we're never shown or hinted, not even once that Mon gave two shits about Toshi's death. Mon really was an animal and Toshi was nothing but a tool for him.

>>149328092
Did the mangaka use photoshop?

is this related at all to "Kiichi!!"?

>>149328092
>The good ol' "Humans have destroyed the earth, time to cleanse humanity!"
Narutaru is the same

>>149328092
>Yeah he was human
Arai pushing "he's completely human" backstory right at the end after all the supernatural fuckery was too sudden.

>>149328168
Nope

>>149328092
Yeah, Mon was "the chosen", but Toshi has a character development that deserves an Oscar

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>>149328178
I wasn't expecting it either but don't really mind it, after all it explains very well why he was the way he was, a wild animal. Worth noting though that just because he was completely human doesn't mean there was something more grandiose to him, he was definitely special with his whole connection with Higumadon and whatnot.

>>149328247
> Toshi has a character development that deserves an Oscar
That's a weird turn of phrase.

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Would you shit your pants?

The body on the last page was Toshi right? The one that was on a new world?

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>>149330253
That makes no sense, why would that be it?

>>149330548
It's been a while since I've read it and I don't have it downloaded so I can't remember the pages but didn't Toshi talk about how some prophecy was to make him a God? Then with what they said at the end "The body of the ruthless killer that had been called an enemy of humanity." Though this could be Mon as well. Were Toshi's limbs cut off when he got killed?

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>>149330905
Nah dude the "creatures" at the end are supposed to be a new species of human beings if you well that evolved and developed themselves for who knows how many billions of years thanks to Mon's body that was sent to some planets before the earth was destroyed, as he intended it to be. It is shown at one point that his body is sent in some cryogenic capsule of some sort, set to land somewhere.

>>149331100
Yeah, The space capsule thing makes sense considering there was a page where Mon had a bunch of wires connected to his head. Sucked how Toshi was killed but fuck it was a good read.

If anyones interested heres a pretty good analysis of the story : http://tooms1954.blog55.fc2.com/blog-entry-66.html

What it says about Mon and Higumadon: Mon was a barbaric killing machine that didn't know anything. Everytime he met with Higumadon he learned something new. The first meeting with Higumadon taught him pain. The second made him remember his mother and stopped him from killing and the final meeting evolved him to something more than human. He became a God. Thus Higumadon's role was done

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>>149331534
Damn I like that explanation, it really adds a lot to the story in my opinion. I don't remember something quite right thought, wasn't Mon's first meeting with Higumadon when he got all gloomy and stopped killing? And his second meeting in the city he was technically back to his killing habit with the exception of Maria being with them and keeping him in control, until she fucking lost it (pic related) and was unable to control him, unleashing him on the city.

>>149330905
Toshi becomes a god?

>>149331100
Jesus is the ending so fucked up!????
I thought this manga was just another Ichi the Killer.
It really looks like a masterpiece.
Why nobody know it?

>>149335243
The writing's harder to grasp than most other manga I've read, but I think the main thing is that the art refuses to be cute. It's honestly pretty rough going for the first 30 chapters, but once Toshi has to kill someone for the first time and that whole devastating arc with his mom, I was all-in.

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Arai Hideki is fucking great. He certainly deserves more love on /a/.

I hope someone translates SCATTER his ongoing manga. Its got seven volumes already published and only the first is scanlated by Habnero scans and they said they require help for the rest. It looks very interesting.

pepperanon.blogspot.com/search/label/SCATTER

>This needs a typesetter/translator to continue.
I've been begging scanlators here to pick it up to no avail.

I would also like more Kiichi but apparently we'll have to wait a year.
desuarchive.org/a/thread/148524162/#q148525046

>>149335556
Arai's an interesting figure to me. Doesn't really garner sales, but he seems to be well-respected among his peers considering that mangaka like Hajime Isayama, Kengo Hanazawa, Aya Kanno, Mitsurou Kubo, and Kouhei Horikoshi have dropped his name here and there.

>>149335733
Even Naoki Urasawa mentioned his name in Manben
www.dailymotion.com/video/x4nnj2k

He could tell Hanazawa was greatly influenced by Hideki.

>>149335733
Is that really that rare? I wouldn't sales and respect from peers would be that closely linked, there's a whole damn world of mangaka who aren't making chart-topper-type stories.

>>149335368
I agree... the art scared people

>>149335556
Also Jiro Matsumoto deserves more love
Even Kojima loves him

>>149335733
Really?
Well Kengo has a very similar style
He does use PC for almost everything

>>149335883
Arai used photoshop in early 90s?

>>149336285
>Arai used photoshop in early 90s?
Maybe for the backgrounds but thats not Urasawa's point.
He means Hanazawa's style of creating characters which are ugly and raw both in art and personality is reminiscent of Hideki.

>>149336195
Jiro Matsumoto gets plenty of love from scanlators and is even getting licensed now.

>>149336195
Kojima is a meme.

>>149335883
>>149336392
On that note, I remember mebae compared the two of them for their good use of POV.

>>149335556
God, I really want to read that shit. The first volume was fucking brilliant. I don't know why it's not more popular with /a/ and scanlators, especially considering the main characters are an exemplification of the culture around here. Well, at least what used to be 4chan back in the day.

>>149337510
Link?


>>149337643

>main characters are an exemplification of the culture around here
My point exactly. Goddamn I wish someone picked this up. To my knowledge its usually Hox who translates stuff like this, but I know he's got too much on his plate.
>Well, at least what used to be 4chan back in the day.
The club the MC is a part of is rather like r9k in its current form

Maybe I should do a dump of Kiichi sometime, I hope to increase Hideki's popularity here. It gets you hooked really fast.

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>>149337723
It's just a short mention in the afterword of Nonscale, bottom middle of pic related.

>>149337769
Thats cool. The girls mountaineering academy thing looks interesting also.

>>149337643
Download the bakabt scan

>>149337979
BakaBT has all 7 volumes of scatter?

>>149338010
Bakabt has all the volute

it's far from the best manga ever.

It's actually very pretentious and has large sections which are not very effective.
It's pretentious and the way the storytelling devolves over the course of the manga are explained in detail here.

http://archived.moe/a/thread/125250317/


The ending in particular is is unbearably pretentious word salad.

Here are some manga that are better:
nausicaa
berserk
Eden
Ryuguden

>>149339043
*pretentiousness.

Jesus Christ this is the most pretentious manga ever written.

This makes Goodnight Punpun seem unaffected, natural and modest by comparison.

I can't believe that a whole bunch of people from groups like mangascreener, Kotonoha, illuminati manga and gantz waiting room rave about this manga like it's a masterpiece.
It's bollucks.
The first volume is purely senseless and TWIM's supporters freely admit this. Then the next 5 volumes are readable and intruiging. But just look at what it turns into. I'm going to post some examples.

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Sky
Sea
Flower
Rainbow
Feelings
Miracle of life
Fertile death
Future

Wow, so deep.

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Whole chapters are full of verbose garbage that nobody cares about. I'll post an example of that kind of laborious stodge that the reader has to wade through later.

for now marvel at this trash that people actually think is impressive.

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Wow

>>149339043
Berserk
Kek

>>149339043
>>149339058
>>149339073
>>149339090
>>149339109
Is this some elaborated trolling attempt?

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LOOK AT THIS

LOOK AT IT
This is basically like "The Heart" except the author actually takes it seriously and expects us to take it seriously

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>>149339128
no, it's showing you precisely how The world is mine is pretentious shit.


look at these worthless, stodgy pages full of exposition no one cares about.

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Mmmmmm!

Truly great comics.

The weird thing is that parts of it earlier on exhibit really good story telling. There are a couple of extremely powerful chapters.

But then the manga becomes progressively more stodgy and slow and bogged down and the author evidently just loses more and more self-awareness and writes more and more loopy, pretentious, stupid nonsense that even a 16 year old would cringe at writing.

>humanity is bad for nuking a life form that was growing exponentially and would have covered the surface of the earth
>the hackers ( who worship two terrorists who killed hundreds of innocent people randomly for no reason on a killing spree) that launched all the world's nukes on the major cities of planet earth are the good guys
>the president and other world leaders who denounced senseless serial killers and used nukes to stop a lifeform that would have smothered humanity are the bad guys


Bravo, Arai!

>>149339162
1) That's not what pretentious means.
2) There's nothing wrong with exposition. I don't even know while young readers always latch at it in an attempt to sound sophisticated and knowledgeable.

>>149339222
You misunderstood the whole thing, which obviously explains your inability to comprehend this masterpiece.

Anyone who thinks this manga is good, try your best to justify this trash: >>149316968


How is it remotely plausible or good storytelling that a video guy standing in the woods saying "Sky, sea, rainbows, butterflies, love, the heart [etc.]" inspires a global cult revolution of people randomly committing horrific violence? detailed here >>149339185
You bought that? You expect other people reading this shit to buy that?

TWIM had some very good chapters, like the one showing the effect on Toshi's mom of his identity being reported by newspapers and the abuse she received, or the first confrontation between Mon and Higumadon, or the chapter where Toshi murders a woman tied up beneath a blanket.

But you can't defend what lazy, new-age, vague, pretentious shit it degenerated into.
It's clearly just shit.

what this manga is about?

>>149339263

You misunderstand, the pretentious shit is evidenced in earlier pages like >>149339073
>>149339090
>>149339109
>>149339133

Pointing out that the ending also has pages upon pages of stodgy exposition shoe-horned in that the reader has to wade through is an unrelated point.


If you think I'm wrong then you misunderstood this garbage, because that is exactly what happened.

>>149339286
It's about two guys who decide to go on a killing spree.

One because he is genuinely detached from reality like an autistic savant, and the other because he is a weak edgelord full of frustration.

there is also a godzilla-like bear rampaging through japan.

the first volume is senseless and random and not very effective.
the next 4 or 5 volumes are intruiging and readable.

then it gets worse and worse after a 3rd female main character is introduced and eventually becomes a ludicrously pretentious mess.

>>149339274
You can't really take away single pages out of context, especially when it comes to Mon's complex character. Here are some hints:
1) The Toshimon duo has had very charismatic appearance all throughout the story -- from the raid on the police station to the assassination website.
2) The Toshimon duo was paralleled by the appearance of Higumadon and many people made a connection between the two.
3) The Toshimon duo had managed to put the whole country on its knees, essentially, and remain completely unscathered all throughout.
4) Toshimon and their dynamics are quite extraordinaire. They were not your typical serial killers and their eccentricity, coupled with the immense charisma, contributed greatly to their popularity. All throughtout the manga, you can read about the escalation of their legend. Even the PM of Japan couldn't stop talking about them on national television.

So then, a character like Mon appears and out of no where starts to preach something. You have to understand that he has built a massive following already and hundreds of thousands of people try to understand him and connect with him. Suddenly, he reaches out and try to connect with people himself. Also, the careless reader that you are, you probably haven't noticed that the last volume spans over a long distance of time.

Last, but not least, all of your concerns are directly addressed in the manga, directly answered even, but have conveninently omitted these pages from your little fit.

Wow, this thread went to shit.

Freesia is way better than this one

>>149340721
subjective

>>149340321
Why?
It is like the only thread that doesnt deal with umaru/sakurafish/oppai/ stupid waifu

>>149340721
no, freesia is also pretty bad.

>>149340799
I agree with you but I this thread left it about halfway to return to find a retard troll who'd only read The World is Mine once vehemently argue how shit it is.
He could've easily asked for an interpretation or explanation but just wrote it off as pretentious the buzzword kids use when they meet works too deep for them.
Prior to that I enjoyed talking about the manga with the few people who were here.

>>149340886
you're just butthurt because you don't like being told that you're impressed by garbage because it reflects badly on you.

the more you masturbate to this >>149316968
>>149339073
>>149339109
>>149339133

and hold it as an example of good comics the more you embarrass yourself.

>>149340956
More like you're butthurt because you didnt get it.

>>149341011
lol this

>>149340956
Look the parts you refer to are not my favorite parts from the manga. I enjoyed Toshi's journey more.
You criticize the lines like
>Dont resist. Accept everything is connected.
for being empty cringey dialogue
In my opinion what the author was going for there was that throughout the story the childlike innocent brute(?) Mon experiences events teach him about humanity, pain, love ie how physically frail humans are and yet how even the weak like Maria are strong.

He apparently gains enlightenment and becomes god therefore he can talk like that.

>>149341011
>"rainbow, butterflies, circle of life, moon child, love..."
>10/10 , so deep and meaningful

lol

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>>149341293
Look I'm not even claiming its the best manga ever, just one of my personal favorites.
Read >>149341268 and the manga once again.

If you still aren't getting my point just leave the thread this manga is not for you.

And that's it folks. I suppose its time to let the thread die now.
Lets discuss the work off Arai Hideki on some later date.

>>149335243
Why would you spoil yourself, you legit ruined such a wild ride of an experience.

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>>149341011

I don't know anon, I don't see how it's pretentious really, I mean, it's certainly telling us a message that's rather cryptic and weird, but it's not like Arai is pushing that message onto as as a legit way of thinking or anything. All in all I found it interesting and despite how weird it is that also makes it refreshing in my eyes and quite bold.

I understand where you're coming from though, I have felt that way with other manga were I simply "don't get it", and I don't mean "get it" as if I understood the message and shit behind the manga and you don't, no, I just mean like sometimes certain manga just don't click with some people for whatever the reason, after all, it's art and art carries emotion (as pretentious as that sound) so you can't always rationalize and understand your liking behind it.

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>>149335556
Kiichi is fucking fantastic. I could dump some TL's of it if anyone would be interested