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What are some stories where the protagonist isn't some kind of chosen one with superpowers?
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>Guts
>Not having superpowers

Are you serious?
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>>149229393
He earned them
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>>149229377
are you looking for seinen shows or is it fine if it doesn't take place in a fantasy universe? i'd recommend Goblin Slayer, it's a bit similar.
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>>149229422
No, he didnt. You just cant wing a 200kgs sword like he does with just training. Not even the strongest human can, it's physically impossible.
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>>149229393
Well he's definetly not the chosen one.
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>>149229488
not h but everything is psychically impossible in berserk, anon.
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>>149229425
anything's fine
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>>149229377
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>>149229377
Goblin Slayer since he is just an insane guy with lot of experience
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>>149229522
I hate to be this contrarian, but he literally is. Why then did the skull knight only save him and caska during the eclipse?
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>>149229581
maybe because they're the only ones left?
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>>149229595
Nah. He also presented himself only to Guts before the Eclipse, twice I think.
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Parasite.
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>>149229488
The most any power lifter has ever lifted is just a tad over 1 ton, you totally fucking could theoretically
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>>149230138
Any lifter has deadlifted*
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>>149229393
And next you tell me Batman has superpowers.

It's his armor given him the power, but at a costy price.

He is probably the strongest human out there, but in his World, humans are nothing but ants.
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>>149230138
>>149230152
Idiot, swinging a sword is way different than just deadlifting something from the ground.
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>>149229581
IT. LITERALLY. EXPLAINS. WHY. YOU. FUCKTARD.

Because they are branded they stand on the interstice, so they both lie outside of causality, holy shit
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>>149230192
He could swing the dragonslayer way before getting the berserker armor. Not that it even matters though.
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>>149230138
yea lifting is the same thing as swinging a giant iron bar
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>>149229377
>>149229581
Guts is an anti chosen one. Guts was chosen to die in the eclipse, while Griffith was the true chosen one. For guts it was the low point in his life, fot Griffith it was the high point. Griffith got superpowers, Guts got a handicap.
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>>149230200
200kg is only 440 pounds give or take, what the fuck, im not saying you can swing 1000 lbs just cuz you can lift it, but if you can deadlift 1 ton then 440 is in the realm of possibility for you

Idiot
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>>149230305
Do you lift weights? I fucking dare you to swing and control even a 20kgs olympic bar.
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>>149230366
im just saying swing, not with any particular degree of finesse or direction

The shit guts pulls? Definitely needing some interstice support there
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Guts is strong.
But he doesn't have that strength due to Mary sue powers. He is just physically able due to progression. The laws of Berserk allow this. He has been swinging big swords since age 5.
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This thread shows why Berserkfags are the worst. You read babby's first "adult" manga then declare it to be the best thing ever written.
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>>149230523
He also been taking a big sword from donovan
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Historie comes to mind.
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>>149230414
No, idiot. you just can't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6QSu1EolCI
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>>149230540
Fuck off faggot were discussing his sword. Go get needlessly defensive elsewhere.
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>>149229377
Saitama
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>>149230540
>come into thread
>for the sole purpose of complaining about the thread

What did he mean by this?
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>>149229581
they were there. skully had already gone in too late, he might as well save them. same as luca, he saved her because he'd follow the same path to chase the egg anyway, the one only difference would be reaching out slightly. the only actual help he gave guts was a nod towards the berserker armor, and that well after he had proven his mettle
>>149229488
correct me if i'm wrong, but he wasn't swinging the dragonslayer around with ease from the beginning. at least not with the ease he was swinging the previous sword. the first instances have him perform basic arcs and mostly twohanded swinging. iirc there was some point about the dark powers of the sword, acquired by the blood of the apostles, enhanced guts' capabilities.
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>>149230540
>declare it to be the best thing ever written
show me where this happened in this thread
>>149230598
what about his deflection or whatever? haven't read it but i've heard from friends
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>>149230581
Wow, this quack? Lmao

Its only fair to link the game theory video then that would oppose this huh? Except that the GT faggoos actually have (at least pat) mathematics based education backgrounds, with honors to boot

Theoretical math being the case here, i would not take any of this viking cucks attempt poor attempt at it seriously
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>>149230684
Saitama literally just trained really hard, no one knows who he is really though
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>>149230734
Dude, the calculations are sound. As stated in the video, they are not done by him, but a friend physicist.
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>>149230769
im not talking about his strength, even if it's ridiculously massive. iirc he can deflect any projectile, no matter the nature. no matter how strong someone is, he can't deflect lightning bolts or magic missiles or whatever. how was that explained?
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>>149230613
>dark powers of the sword enhancing guts

What the actual fuck

No

A lot of apostle blood has gotten onto the sword, so THEORETICALLY, it has adopted the necessary properties to kill a god hand
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>>149230838
Except that when approaching a fantasy weapons specifications, the approaches you can choose to take are limitless, i.e. "well, cloud's sword LOOKS like its steel, and SEEMS approximately so and so", etc, stuff like the density can never really be proven, since that is not something that can be discovered empirically, now, that being said, i take the valedictorian's approach over the shady bearded literally-who with the "physicist friend".
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>>149230874
i'll looking for it, it was something in the troll village i think. shierke was looking at it and noticed the dark shit around it
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>>149230851
I don't particularly remember him being struck by a magic missile but most of the time he just takes the hit and tanks it
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>>149230851
Sheer generated and projected force perhaps

Here is an interesting tidbit from PHYSICS

If you somehow had enough force, you could create a miniature black hole with it, and it alone

But anyway, that doesnt make him chosen or anything, he is a textbook literally who in the context of his world
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>>149230997
The armor enhances guts, maybe it was that?
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>>149230964
The calculations of that video do apply to the dragonslayer though as it is said to be made of solid iron. And we also know it's realtive size and shape.
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>>149231078
>If you somehow had enough force, you could create a miniature black hole with it, and it alone
little did you know, I'm a /sci/entist at least an aspiring one. it's an "interesting tidbit" because it's popsci. at any rate, the "miniature black hole" wouldn't deflect projectiles. and it can't be done with force alone, you need matter. and the force we're talking about is nowhere near anyone's powerlevel
>>149231108
nah, it was the sword. besides, he only got the armor after they returned from the village
>>149231144
you don't even need physics for that. the dumbest asshole can understand that guts would have to be heavier than the dragonslayer to swing it. if he's lighter, he'd be just swinging himself around, like those human flags. unless it's all a prank and the dragonslayer is actually just foam
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>>149231144
"relative size" isnt reliable at all, if you want ANYTHING other than an ESTIMATE, then you need the specific cubic inches per square foot and length on a ruler, etc.
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>>149229377
Most slice of life.
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>>149231269
i can promise you the sword doesnt enhance anything about guts except his killing potential by being really big, it is somewhat magical now though because its been taking daily apostle baths, but that just means it can function normally against higher beings

the only things guts has that magically enhance him in any way are the armor and the brand
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>>149231269
>the dumbest asshole can understand that guts would have to be heavier than the dragonslayer to swing it

No, there are strongmen who weight as much or more than the dragonslayer. But even they wouldnt be able to swing it because the actual force needed to swing is way, way more than 2000 Newtons.
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>>149231381
Then what are some slice of life where the protagonist is some kind of chosen one with superpowers?
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>>149230551
bet you would like that giant sword in your ass too
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>>149231473
aw dude i love fig newtons
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>>149231582
how'd you know
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>>149231473
i'm not saying being heavier is the only condition. it's one of the conditions. because you may be able to lift 3 tons and apply 10 times the torque needed to swing the DS (in swings, torque matters, not force) you'd STILL be unable to swing the DS if you were 100 kg
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>>149231486
Hinamatsuri. Hina is basically the psychic supersoldier equivalent of a nuke.
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>>149231618
me too
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K-On
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>>149231398
here's what i was talking about. the loli is not sure if it's just the interstice and she has studied these subjects for decades and is unsure if it's just the interstice. how can you promise that it is?
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>>149231659
ooh neat
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there is an actual berserk thread, we've kind of taken over this one. do you want to move there?
also, do not f5
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>>149231770
huurrrrr duuurrrrr im a retarded faggot
HERE'S what i was talking about
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>>149231920
this was not supposed to be a berserk thread
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>>149229488
He did earn them. He was swinging a full sized sword starting at age 4 or something, by the time he was an adult he could very well swing the big ass shit he was swinging.

>>149230613
>correct me if i'm wrong, but he wasn't swinging the dragonslayer around with ease from the beginning
There was a time-skip right after he got it but he did swing it pretty easily when he first picked it up.

THIS however is different than his strength pre-eclipse and can be attributed to Guts being in the interstice. In Berserk, tte interstice is where mind over matter becomes a much more literal mechanic of Guts' reality so he can do crazier shit here than he could outside of it.
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>>149231650
True

But just for the sake of the argument, you can always hook your feet to the ground with something not to go flying as a consequence of swinging it. Still, no human would even approach the required strength needed to swing and control the DS like Guts does.
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>>149231949
The sword itself has a buff of Kill Demon +999, Skull Knight also says that it can kill the God Hand even.

It doesn't have an effect on Guts though, but like I said here>>149232152 he is stronger because he's in the limbo between worlds. Schierke mentions that.
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Skip to the end.
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>>149229488
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>>149232158
When you attach yourself to something, your mass becomes one with that something (provided infinite tensile stregth, otherwise the equations get REALLY fucky). if you hook your feet down, your effective mass is that of the earth and you can swing ANYTHING if you're strong enough. but guts doesn't do that, he moves around swinging.
>>149232199
schierke was commenting on his ease to kill the trolls. his Kill Demon +999 buff doesn't really apply, since anything cutting them in half kills them, without the apostle blood.
>Schierke mentions that.
but is unsure if it's just that.
Or...
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>>149232290
if you haven't noticed, noone is swinging that. they lift it and let it drop with some force from their part. actual horizontal swings are the big issue. also, the handle seems to be a good 10 cm longer than what it should be
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>>149232380
We are going in circles. I really dont know why you are trying to lecture me about physics when
my point has always been that no human can be strong enough to wield a sword as heavy and big as the DS. Not even remotely.
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>>149232380
Even if she was unsure, the fact is she said that human will has more power over physical stuff when you're in the interstice.

Also it's not apostle blood that's giving the buff, it's just related to kill astral bodies like ghosts and what not.

>>149232475
This guy is doing the same thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfOAgKA7h7g

You are right(except they do a horizontal swing in the first video) but I think it could realistically happen, but we'll never know because I doubt there's ever been a human who has trained his body like Guts. Guts who is like 6 foot 8 and probably close to 300 pounds of raw muscle.

The guys in the videos aren't even athletes.

Or mad.
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>>149232576
That looks nothing like the dragonslayer. Too lazy to watch the entire video, but does he even mention how much it weights?
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>>149232652
The sword changes depending on the panel tbqh.

No but neither does the manga. We know it's iron, that's about it.
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>>149229488
Do you even lift, brah?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YvCcAJ5gn0
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>>149233024
That shit has the thickness of a kitchen's knife.
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so does your dick
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>>149233488
I guess your mom and sister told you after all. Did they also tell you about how much they like to drink semen and take it up the ass?
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>>149233024
>>149232576
if young godo can't make the dragonslayer to its full glory, noone can
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I always loved how berserk had Griffith be "The Prophesised one" or the one blessed by destiny and Guts was just some guy on the side who got completely fucked over but knifed his way to the top
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>>149234227
Griffith also knifed AND fucked his way to the top. Both guys youths were pretty fucked up.
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>>149234227
>knifed his way to the top
he was somewhat fucked and knifed his way really high. for the time being he's gutter trash again as far as the world is considered
>>149234323
and swayed.
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>>149229581
Other anons have already answered but it's simply because they were there. Skully went in to kill Void, maybe stop Femto from being born, but Zodd stalled him so hard he was too late. Then he saw Guts and Casca and thought, "They must be pretty badass to still be alive. Might as well save them while I'm here."
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>>149234227
>>149234353
Griffith wouldn't have made it to where he got to without Guts and nobody thinks Guts is gutter trash, literally everyone is in complete awe when they see him swing his sword.

>>149229581
Everyone else was dead but the bigger question is why SK approached Guts before the Eclipse and how does he know about Guts' backstory in such detail?
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>>149234505
>as far as the world is considered
m'dude, only one guy has recognised him for who he was. swinging a big sword is impressive, no doubt, but to most it's no more impressive than mummery. he's not recognized
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>>149234641
He was the famous hawks raider commander though, everyone knew who he was. Then he leveled up and became the black swordsman who literally every apostle recognizes as a total beast.

And whenever a normal person sees him now they immediately ask who he is and shit but Guts doesn't give a fuck about reputation so he never answers. If he did, everyone would know about him and he could lead a huge army of followers if he wanted.

The ego fueled emperor of the talibans who wanted to kill griffith(aka his actual lord and savior) even personally asked him to join him, he's beyond recognized.
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>>149234641
>>149234851
He's also mentioned in the prophecy as the sinful black sheep and Skull Knight is for some reason his #1 fan which I think says a lot since Skull Knight is the baddest dude around.
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>>149235050
the sinful black sheep are the apostles, you dolt
>>149234851
yeah, that's what i said. he knifed his way high. he was recognized back then. only owen whats-his-face recognizes him now and most of the party probably suspect the connection, that's it. he's a nobody
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>>149235606
having a reputation has nothing to do with your face. they didn't have facebook back then anon.
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>>149230138
*500kg
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