Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1722

Ayano wa shitto

女 confirmed for most difficult kanji to draw properly.

>>149192285
>But i know you got the 1st one (3) right. Can you explain it to me?
I'm not sure myself, I just picked what made most sense to me.

If I had to explain then I'd say because of the sentence after the comma "and fell right back to sleep again" the ___ part has to be something that just happened right before, and only 3 fits because 1,2 and 4 are general statements and 3 describes the state of the person's eyes.

>Its because the 4th option means the speaker is more sure of himself.
I think I just interpreted that sentence wrongly.
国へ帰った could be returned to Japan or his home country for me. I'm not really sure.

>>149193172
It's just くノ一 though

>>149193314
It always ends up lop-sided. Especially as a radical.

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>>149193175
thanks for explanation.

I just never seen something like 3 before, but i guess i got to be more deductive. And as for the return to japan, i couldn't tell either.

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>>149193094
Nice image.
I want to give Ayano a big hug. In return, have a cute wallpaper.

>>149193314
>女 is くノ一
mind blown.

Also why my microsoft ime forgot all my self entered words?

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Two questions:

>そんなのは、あるかよ！

In this context, is not the explanatory の, right?

>誰が盗んだのか、誰か知りませんか

Same here, what's the use for the の? Does it nominalize the whole sentence (誰が盗んだ) or is it the explantory one?

I really struggle to understand when this participle is used in the explanatory way or not.

>>149193782
そんな na-adjective
の generic noun (thing, one, etc)

のか compound particle

>>149193477
Why does Chinatsu look so soft

I want to become Akari and cuddle with her

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>>149193172
H-how'd I do?

>>149193857
Second to last one was pretty good

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>>149193843

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Why does Agata include furigana in his tanks?

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>>149193843

>かかってくるがよい。　
>貧乏神を押しつけまくってやるわ！
What does the second phrase even mean?

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What are your guys' opinions on ajatt? To me the guy talks a bunch of metaphorical bullshit and then just tries to persuade you into buying his shitty over-priced "sentence-packs". im really doubting if he can even speak japanese because there's only one video of the guy speaking anything. his website design is also complete horse shit.

>>149194159
It's a name and pretty common for names to have furigana when first used in a given chapter or so, as how it was serialised.

>>149194260
I preferred his spin-off porn site template better.

>>149194257
基本的には薄汚れた老人の姿で、痩せこけた体で顔色は青ざめ、手に渋団扇を持って悲しそうな表情で現れるが、どんな姿でも怠け者が好きなことには変わりないとされる。家に憑く際には、押入れに好んで住み着くという[1]。詩人・中村光行によれば、貧乏神は味噌が好物で、団扇を手にしているのはこの味噌の芳香を扇いで楽しむためとされている[2]。
仮にも神なので倒すことはできないが、追い払う方法はないわけではない。新潟では、大晦日の夜に囲炉裏で火を焚くと、貧乏神が熱がって逃げていくが、代わりに暖かさを喜んで福の神がやって来るとされる。囲炉裏にまつわる貧乏神の俗信は多く、愛媛県北宇和郡津島町（現・宇和島市）では囲炉裏の火をやたらと掘ると貧乏神が出るといわれる[3]。

>>149194307
tldr

>>149194260
There's pretty much no doubt he can speak japanese but his only video is from after he was living in Japan for a while, and who knows when he really started.

But it actually is possible to get quite good in a year. If you do something like spend 2 hours a day on anki and spend every other waking minute talking to tutors you'll probably get fluent pretty fast too. So it's not like it's impossible to learn a language quickly.

Sentence decks are garbage without full native audio though.

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大力に伴って大責任がある

>>149194399
It turns out that he is part of Kenyan royalty or something and basically learned Japanese before even starting up his blog site. There is a thread on the kanji koohii website where someone found out about some of the other scams he was running and that happened to come up.

>>149194467
偉い責任?

>>149194228
奇麗ですね

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>>149194467
Reading phrases like that in Japanese seems weird.

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>35 days to JLPT N1 exam
Fuck. I will read the final chapter of my current VN and I spend the rest of these days cramming grammar using Kanzen Master.

Goddammit these exercises.

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>tfw you get ahead of yourself and start reading
>spend 2 minutes per bubble looking up the text in an ocr reader
i just want to read already fuck.
was completing tae kim at only jplt 5 such a bad idea after all

>>149194620
Why is the food censored?
Is this some weird porn thing again and all the girls are actually 20+ years old?

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>>149194619
>tfw you are almost sure you are going to fail N2 this year

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Is there a way to play VNs without having to constantly change the administrative locale every time I want to play?

>>149194730
https://github.com/xupefei/Locale-Emulator/releases

>>149194257
>>149194257
please respond

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>>149194673
>he doesn't know about the 微妙な料理

>>149194690
If you can read OK you will pass, the other sections are not punishing, contrary to N1

>>149194619
>>149194690
諦めないで！

How do I hook into firefox? Translation Aggregator is shit. I'd rather use rikai.

>>149194619
Cool I still haven't read more than the first page of my shin kanzen master dokkai and haven't read anything in Japanese in months

>>149194866
言われなくてもそうするよ！
ありがとう

>>149194899
http://pastebin.com/raw/DgZ84qwk

>>149193857
>>149193172
Okay, guys, I finally realized I was a moron and I'm starting to practice drawing, because I have problems remembering the stroke orders.

My first question is: do you always draw with your pen? I mean, I tried it a lot of times, but my characters always look like some abominations, being thin as hell and all. If I try to counter it by making them smaller, I can't really train my precision. Also, it feels really unnatural to imitate the sharp brush turns at the end of some strokes. Would using some kind of a brush be better than using a pen? Has anyone here tried it?

My second question is: how do I know I'm doing alright? I mean, I know I'm not gonna draw a perfect 永 at first and it's gonna look clumsy as hell. So how do I know what to look out for? I'm not gonna upload every sheet of paper and ask for guidance, I want to know if the direction I'm taking is the correct one. I'm afraid of doing something wrong and sticking to it for eternity without realizing I made a small mistake that could be really hard to unlearn later on.

Is it even possible to learn calligraphy without a knowledgeable tutor?

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>>149194765
本当にありがとうございます、助かったよ。

The amount of reading practice you get while edging and playing nukige is incredible

Would recommend if you're okay with your dick hurting for a day or so afterwards

>>149194159
so i can fap to it easier

>>149195073
I can't even manage to read up to the first sex scene in most nukige I just download the save file

>>149195065
>Would using some kind of a brush be better than using a pen?
Dunno. Just try one.

http://www.jetpens.com/Brush-Pens/ct/221

>>149195065
Paper and ballpoint pen.
>Is it even possible to learn calligraphy without a knowledgeable tutor?
Don't bother with calligraphy before you can write Japanese normally. 書道 is the art of writing beautifully but to do that you need to be able to write normally first.

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>>149195148
Holy shit, this is beautiful

>>149195250
Looks like any other texta you can get a dozen of for a few bucks.

>>149195029

This is going to make things a lot easier. The line counter is really nice too. Thanks

>>149194481
Do you have a link by any chance? Sounds entertaining

>>149194619
(4312) 1
(4231) 3
(3142) 4
(4231) 3 (having my doubts about this one)
(1342) 4

Pretty sure everything I did here was wrong.

>>149194619
11
4-3-2-1
12
4-2-4-1
13
3-1-4-2
14
4-2-1-3
15
2-4-1-3

Which parts did you find hard?

>>149195406
>4-2-4-1
4-2-3-1, I mean.

>>149195065
はじめしゃちょ uses these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QexJ6r1L_zY

I'm not sure myself, I just use a pen I had lying around.

>>149195404
2/5
>>149195406
5/5, you need to answer fast though
With an exam-like timing I got 3/5

>a shit load of DJT regulars are now actively discussing and approving of writing kanji
How did things get this bad?

>>149195595
I was always fast with these.

I always have N1, but I guess some revision can never hurt.

>>149195644
I thought this was the norm around here?

I don't visit often but I remember people spamming a study that chinese students who wrote kanji did way better at recognition.

What's the difference between yamete and yamero? I'm not studying Japanese, I'm just curious.

>>149195687
>always
already*

Jesus, I suck at thinking today.

Does anyone have the link to that 24/7 Japanese TV stream?

>>149195709
Individual kanji study is (was?) frowned upon by literally everyone. It's usually met with ridicule and 出来ない.

>>149195595
>2/5
Yeah I didn't feel very confident in my answers. I hate artificial sentences like these.
In real conversations people would just say what comes to their mind first.

>>149195807
>literally everyone
Not really.

Any tip to remember anywhere/everywhere/etc?

>>149195360
There are enough keywords in that post that a google search should find it.

>>149194619
>having furigana

>>149195595
>5/5, you need to answer fast though
You really don't need to be that fast if you know the stuff I think

In practice tests I end with lots of extra time. At least 20 mins

>>149195807
Don't confuse the loud, obnoxious, autistic minority with the majority.

>>149195928
>In practice tests
Different to the actual test environment and content. How you may do in pressure free exams is really a lot different to how most people do in actual exams.

>>149195933
>minority
Anon, you're projecting again. Individual kanji study and handwriting in particular is considered obsolete in essentially every JP learning community. Even the author of KKLC tells people to not bother with handwriting, and the sole purpose of that book is to systematically teach you 2300 kanji.

>>149195990
My own personal story, but on N2 I ended up not having enough time to finish every reading exercise. On N1 I finished everything with 20 minutes spare.

>>149195990
Neah I literally never stress out at tests. Especially when I know the material. They just don't matter enough to stress out about.

Also, that guy was talking about with an "exam like timing" not an actual exam environment

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>>149195495
you actually watch this cancer

>>149196035
>not learning stroke order
出来ない

http://www.strawpoll.me/11538238
Let's settle this.

>>149195733
I forgot where I put my spoon sorry.

>>149195799
Never mind. Found it. Here it is for anyone that's interested: http://wilsonjj.me/jptv/

>>149196153
I don't really enjoy, but it's listening practice.

>>149196170
i feel that if you want to be able to write, you need to grind them out individually. otherwise just reading is fine.

>>149196253
awesome. thanks man.

>>149196170
I began to make an anki deck for Kanji study a while ago, but I never actually studied a single card.

I really want to be able to write, but I just don't wanna learn it.

>>149196342
I don't really see the point of wanting to learn to write kanji, though. You only have to recognize the kanji and know its reading to be able to write anything you want digitally. Outside of school/college, when was the last time you ever wrote anything by hand aside from scribbling signatures?

>>149196685
I like to write stories, so often.

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>応接セット

There's really words for everything in Japan.

>>149196170
>http://www.strawpoll.me/11538238
Does it even make any sense to do it?

Does it help with kanji compound words you never saw in that constellation or long kanji strings?

>Kanji are a blessing, not a curse.
>They make learning EASIER, not more difficult – à la longue.

>When I saw 電子 (electron: electricity + child) for the first time I knew INSTANTLY what it means and guessed how to pronounce it: でんし densi. It would not be possible to guess the meaning, if you saw it written in hiragana or romaji.
>The same goes for countless kanji. And reading: it's just like looking at pictures instead of describing them. It's 天国 tengoku (heaven, sky + country) – paradise.

>I NEVER learnt kanji as single entities. I always learnt words in texts (audio + transcript + translation + pop-up dictionary). I never memorized anything. I relied on massive comprehensible exposure.

>>149196685
Not everyone is you.
Some people enjoy writing on paper with pens.

>>149196685
I see where you're coming from. If you're just learning Japanese as a hobby and have no plan to live in Japan or find work there then you're right, there is no sense in learning to write. It's a waste of time outside of your personal preference and what you envision yourself doing with the language.

As for me, I just think of learning to write the Kanji as something that will help bolster the foundation I've already set out. That and also I won't look like an idiot if someone wants me to write something.

>>149195065
> have problems remembering the stroke orders
Is there even a point to remembering them? Most of the time, stroke order is obvious isn't it? left to right, top to bottom. Just write out all the vocab that you're adding to your Anki deck once and it stroke order should become second nature.

>>149196035
You are part of that obnoxious minority.

>>149196035
>Even the author of KKLC
Who?

>>149196992
>instantly guessed what 電子 means
>when 子 adds literally no meaning

>>149196882
背もたれ

>>149197354
Do you know what an electron is?

Post your fave 漢字

>>149197375
固唾

>>149197394
電子 usually just means "electronic"
The 子 is just to make it a two character word because china likes two character words

>>149196035
But there aren't really that many different kind of kanjis. Only different ways to put them together.

Handwriting is dying sure, but it is still nice thing to know.

>>149196035
>Individual kanji study and handwriting in particular is considered obsolete in essentially every JP learning community
You must be talking about the shitty "self taught" community then, cause virtually every academic Japanese Language Learning program requires handwriting. If you study Japanese through a university you will be expected to produce handwritten compositions as part of your examinations, in addition to oral exams and general knowledge tests.

>>149197417
嵐

It is just simple and strong. Like crowned wind.

I also like 雨.

>>149197522
>the shitty self taught community
>when the non-self taught community takes 4 years to reach N2 and learn the Jouyou

素晴らしい

Isn't this usually written in Kana?

>>149197417
膣

>>149197569
Read more.

>>149197569
Jisho.org doesn't say anything about that, but by anecdote I have usually seen it written in only kana.

>>149196992
Kanji aren't practical at all though.

>>149197653
>language full of homophones
>natives need kanji at times to differentiate words
>"kanji aren't practical at all"
Okay, 先生.

>>149197569
By ordinary people sure, but it's frequently written in kanji in publications.

>>149197569
たくさん読んだことあるけどまだカナで書かれることが見たことない

>>149197522
Formal Japanese education is the biggest time waster of them all, though. You constantly see students come to DJT to bitch and moan about how their teachers are making each Genki book a year long endeavour, when most people who self-study and used Genki blazed through each book in a month or so.

Please leave and enjoy spending years on what is considered elementary Japanese. This is a place of learning, not of shilling retarded practices that do nothing but cripple progress.

>>149197569
I've seen 流石 and the likes too.
Don't trust "usually written in kana".

>>149197721
They seem to be speaking it without much problem though. Can't be that bad in the writing. It would also help if they used spaces.

>>149197947
Yeah. Usually when I see "usually written in kana" I just think it is okay for me to not use kanji, but I will still learn the kanji.

Whats the quickest way to look up a word if I know the kanji but not the compound word?

I used hookers in my VNs but want to move on.

>>149197947
All that means is that normal Japanese people tend to be lazy about it and skip the kanji in everyday writing. Written Japanese, just like written English, has lots of conventions that are not practiced while speaking.

>>149197458
電 thunder / electricity
電子 particle of thunder / electricity

wow such a useless extra character

>>149198101
yeah, eventually when you read enough content you'll learn which ones are used with kanji more often than others anyway.

>>149198234
Congrats you can't read English.

>>149198364
"The 子 is just to make it a two character word"

>>149198420
Read the entire post again. The entire thing. Not just the two English words you learned through anki.

>>149198483
I think you don't know what "just" means.

>>149198542
Focus on trying to understand the post.

>>149198579
I understood the post. I'm a literate native speaker of english and I'm educated in the subject matter. The post is wrong.

>>149197864
A lot of stuff to read are, but you have yet to see someone write it?

>>149198611
You clearly didn't understand it. Or do you think 梯子 and 椅子 are also type of particles?

Whenever I pick something to read in Japanese it just gets boring. Why can't their media be fun anymore?

>>149198737
陽子
positive particle
中性子
neutral particle
電子
electric particle
光子
light particle
原子
primative particle

Now how in the world does that somehow correspond to "just there to make the word two characters long"?

Kanji is not predictive. Characters do not have to be constrained to only be used on way in order to be used for a given purpose in a given situation. You don't know japanese.

>>149198751
It's you, not the media.

アジト

>>149198751
I'm reading Detective Conan ラノベ
It's cool.

But I am so slow.

>>149198737
those are 子 as in こ and す not as in し

>>149198766
The entire time you've just been missing the point and arguing against a strawman because you want to look smart on the internet. Congrats on looking up a list of particles on wikipedia though.

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>Wow, you know Japanese? Write something for us, Anon!

>>149198968
In what way did I do anything other than argue against "just to make it a two character word"?

I'm pretty sure you're just butthurt because someone called you out on saying something stupid.

>>149198751
Well, it's time to learn another language and have fun with some new content

>>149198961
梯子　tizi
椅子 yizi
電子 dianzi

See the pattern?

>>149199050
sorry I don't speak subhuman

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>>149199006
I can't.

>>149199006
I know you're just memeing but it's always "say something then" or "how do you say this in [foreign language]?" and never "write this". People are almost always more interested in hearing the sounds than staring at incomprehensible scribbles.

Sometimes I don't understand the たら ending. It is described to be "supposition/if" but sometimes it doesn't translate like that at all.
Or is there some other meaning for it that I don't know yet?

>>149199064
OHHHH YOU GOT HIM GOOD

>>149199158
thanks man

>>149199013
>In what way did I do anything other than argue against "just to make it a two character word"?
Again showing that you were incapable of reading the entirety of a two sentence post.

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>>149199006
People don't give a flying fuck about my Japanese.

>>149199199
Nothing else in that post elaborates on the quoted sentiment in any way that changes the argument against it.

>>149199150
Chinese and Japanese are the exception though since Chinese characters are a lot more interesting to people. Nobody would say "write something for us in Spanish", because they would just be using the same Latin script as in English which would be boring.

>>149199263
that's not a thing

>>149199006
But I haven't told anyone that I am learning Japanese.

>>149199263
Japanese see it all the time though, so they aren't the ones who find it interesting.

For non-Japanese you can just amaze them by writing 和 and telling them it means peace and harmony

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>>149199006
Here ya go.

>>149199064
Your time will come soon. When it does you'll either submit to the pax sinica or die.

アノンくん一緒遊べる？

>>149199157
sometimes it's used at the end of names, for ex: from 大辞林、「あなたったら。返事ぐらいしてよ」

its also used sometimes to make a statement stronger for ex: 「私がするったら」、「いやだったら」

>>149199467
0.5 yuan has been added to your account for this post.

>>149199006
あ…あなたも

>>149199343
Why is everyone trying to keep their Japanese studies a secret?

I mean as long as you are not majoring in Japanese at university, there is nothing to be ashamed of.

>>149199631
I agree.
>as long as you are not majoring in Japanese
Why?

>>149199631
>Why is everyone trying to keep their Japanese studies a secret?
I'm not, but I also don't rub it under people's noses like some obnoxious vegetarian.

>>149199608
So it is just for emphasis when it isn't meaning "if"?

>>149199832
it's like a topic particle or something

>>149199631
Because most people think you are weird if you try to improve yourself. Even more so if it about learning other cultures or something uncommon.

And there really isn't any reason to tell anyone anyway, unless you want to brag.

>>149198782
I'm slow too. I just finished my first manga volume ever read in Japanese (aku no hana). It takes a long time to read and it's fucking exhausting, not to mention the story so far is not even that interesting. I'm more tired than happy right now to be honest.

I also feel like I shouldn't be reading yet because sometimes I get to sentences where I can't fully understand it grammatically, even though I can get the general meaning out of it.

>>149199631
If someone asked me I'd definitely tell them the truth. But honestly, studying japanese is something I do on my own and for my own benefit, so there's no reason to tell everyone about it.

>>149199631
Being histrionic about your studies is a predictor of early failure.

>>149199832
There's also ったらありゃしない and all that shit so it's certainly an abbreviation of something similar

>>149199850
>>149199967
Alright. Thanks.

>>149199723
-You can pursue a useful degree and self-study Japanese at the same time
-Pace can be very bad depending on your institution
-First year is full of weeaboos, no exceptions
-No job afterwards, translation business is crowded
-Enjoy being a JET and nothing else because your only skill is speaking Japanese

>>149200039
That's true, but there's no reason to be ashamed in my opinion.
I respect people who go to college to study what they like regardless of how hard it will be to find a job afterwards. I'm self-studying Japanese by the way.

I wish I read faster. There is SO MUCH STUFF I want to read but getting through even one thing takes such a long time...

>>149200298
I wish I would mine less.
I could read more but then I'd struggle keeping up with my mining deck.

>>149200298
You have your whole life ahead of you. I used to think like you as I can spent a year or more on a single VN in some cases, but now I view it as a blessing instead, it just means that I won't ever run out of kamige to play because the backlog lasts so long

>>149197417
鸞

>>149199461
your handwriting is cute, keep it up anon

>>149199832
There's one more use for it that I know of but it's a bit harder to explain. As far as I know, you use it to show your disbelief that something is going beyond normal. Here's the two definitions I found:

普通考えられる程度を超えていることをあらわす。

異常な性情であることを述べる場合、それがどんな点についてであるか驚きの気持ちをこめて提示する

exampels: この店のそばは、おいしいったら、天下一品だ」、「ほんとうにうるさいったらないね」、「面白いったらないんだ」、「汚いったら話にならない」

>>149199631
Because you will get two kinds of responses:
>Why are you learning Japanese?
Now you're forced to try and awkwardly answer the question while trying not to come across as a weeaboo.

>Japanese doesn't sound very useful, you should learn Chinese instead.
Now you can either awkwardly agree or explain to them why you're learning it and make them think you're a weeaboo.

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>>149200628
T-thanks, you too!

>>149197417
龘

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I don't know why it's so hard for me to remember kanji when I can recall the names of maps from Path of Exile (http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Map) instantly from looking at their symbols, even though I've made no conscious effort to remember their names.

>>149200736
Just say you're doing it to challenge yourself. "Yeah, Japanese is considered the most difficult language to learn for native English speakers, so I thought I'd give it a try."

>>149200736
just tell them, who gives a shit

>>149200808
Constant exposure is better than spaced training. However, it's very inefficient in terms of time taken to learn something.

>>149200709
I think I got a gist of it. Thank you.

>>149200800
he said kanji not hanzi

>>149200261
I respect people who go to college and study what they like seriously. Not people who go and choose an easy major and just aim for a degree.

Most people I have met who take a Japanese major also do another major. If you are ONLY a Japanese major, I think maybe you are not trying so hard at college.

>>149199631

"I consume a lot of Japanese media as entertainment, so I might as well double dip on entertainment and studying and kill two birds with one stone."

>>149200815
But what if you are not a native English speaker?

>不思議そうに両手を胸の前に出した女に次々とタッチをした。

What exactly is this タッチ here?

>>149200923
Unless you're korean or chink Japanese is still probably the hardest out of the popular languages.

>>149200923
Then you say "I'm a giant fucking faggot and I'd love to be able to stroke it to lolis while understanding the full context of why a grown ass man is putting his dick into a child. That, and I like J-Pop. These lyrics most be so profound."

>>149200923
It doesn't matter, unless you're Chinese or Korean I can assure you that most people in your country view Japanese as some sort of ungodly rocket science-esque language.

>>149200988
I will try this.

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Do I read the bottom or left panel first?

>>149200815
That makes you sound like an assbuger and a braggart though.

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>>149200864

I've only done this map 5 or so times, yet I can recall its name instantly. I think that might be because there aren't any maps that look like this one and because the boss of this area is particularly difficult, so I have strong memories associated with it. Likewise, I can remember the word 蘇生 without having studied it because it's associated with a particularly important scene in a visual novel.

I think that's really the reason (and why people use mnemonics). I should begin using them again, I stopped making them because they took a lot of time to make, but I think in the long run I was screwing myself over.

>>149200970
say it out loud anon.

>>149201184
I got already, it's an abbreviation for ハイタッチ

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>japanese from zero is one of the best selling elementary japanese book series' on amazon
>4 350 page books cover half of what genki 1 does all while treating the reader like a retard and explains things like they're 5
>the author assumes everyone who wants to learn the language does so entirely to hold simple conversations with natives
>the author can't read advanced, or even intermediate native material despite having allegedly spoken the language fluently for 25 years
>consistently gets buttflustered on youtube and reddit when beginners correct him and call him out on bullshit practices and poor advice
wew

>>149201125
>assbuger
Quite the opposite, doing things purely for the sake of testing your limits and improving yourself is very common among normal people (e.g. running a marathon, reading a certain number of books within a year, and, yes, learning a language.)
>braggart
How so, if it was the other person who brought it up in the first place?

>>149201374
sperg alert
stop posting

Where was I supposed to find nipponese subs again?

Don't think cornucopia mentions anything about it

>>149201309
post his yt and lebbit profiles

>>149200039
>-No job afterwards, translation business is crowded
Isn't having a Japanese degree the only way of getting a job teaching English in Japan (teaching English being pretty much your only employment option as a gaijin)?

If someone wants to live in Japan, it would make sense to major in Japanese.

>>149201440
no, you only need to have a degree of some sort to get a working permit in japan

>>149201374
>reading a certain number of books within a year
That's assburger as hell though.

>>149201438
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc7HtWhXJ_k
This is the guy. What he's talking about is made up, as he's really calling out the people who said that he was wrong to tell his audience that the most efficient way of learning kanji was to do rote memorization by writing them 50+ times.

>>149201309
>it's not manger or aynime

first episode in and i can already tell this show is catered to know nothing weebs. and judging from that art on his books its made by one too.

>>149201474
A working permit doesn't necessarily guarantee you a job, though, and if you couldn't find a job then I'm guessing your permit would be revoked.

I heard it's very much the case in China that if a company can hire a native, they will never hire a foreigner, and I can't see why it would be any different in Japan.

>>149201576
>What he's talking about is made up
So, suffering passive and other linguist circlejerks?

>>149201679
I was responding to someone that said you needed an english degree in particular

You do need to be a native english speaker as well to work as an ALT

>>149201523
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=reading+challenge

>>149201730
>I was responding to someone that said you needed an english degree in particular
I said a Japanese degree.

>>149200261
I have to respect those who somewhat succeed in their careers.
But it seldom happens to people pursuing a Japanese language degree from the looks of it, so I have huge doubts about anyone choosing to do this.

>>149201440
>teaching English being pretty much your only employment option as a gaijin
If you are in the IT business or are a STEM researcher, it should be easy to find something.

I was mentioning JET, but any other degree can do actually.

>>149201048
What's the first letter

Watashi no ita kuni de wa

In my country that was?

>>149201778
my bad I'm simply retarded

still wrong though

>>149201309
It's a great book anon don't talk shit about it.
It teaches you the whole Hiragana in the first and Katakana in the second!

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>>149201048

>>149201950
thanks man

>>149201836
>progressive kana
That's fucking genius. Every textbook should use this concept. I mean, combining romaji with hiragana for an entire 350+ pga book is truly amazing! I don't have to deal with those pesky kanji until the third book!

>>149201576
I remember this guy being posted here before, and I closed the video after 1 minute thinking "Can't even pronounce correctly."

>>149201576
literally cringed irl

>>149201309
It didn't seem bad for reviewing simple things. But it really isn't very detailed.

>>149201576
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndRF0P0_ZKs
this one's funny too

>>149201800
>If you are in the IT business or are a STEM researcher, it should be easy to find something.
Really? Is there a scarcity of people qualified in these fields in Japan?

If not, why would they want to hire a foreigner? I don't think Japan has any "affirmative action" type laws which would force them to, but I might be wrong.

>>149202066
Yeah but if you want to review simple things there are already plenty of better, free resources whose authors are not this retarded: >>149201576

>>149202204
Sure.

>>149202203
japanese companies love STEM foreigners because of their Crazy Ideas and Foreign Talents like the ability to make web UIs that don't look like they came out of the 90s

>>149201802
>>149201048

Anyone? It's driving me nuts. How is わたしのいたくに used in this context?

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>tfw tracing out kanji with rapid eye movements to induce low voltage desynchronized brain wave patterns to connect your left and right hemispheres, open your third eye, and enter a lucid yet dreamlike state of learning

>>149202019
He actually is genuinely fluent in Japanese, though. How else would he have gotten a qt Japanese daughter?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkE2dDc8Pt4

>>149202322
country where I was
いた here is いる(to be, animate)->いた(having been, animate)

>>149202322
いた is modifying 国.

>>149202408
の is acting as the subject particle of the relative clause

全く光のない

>>149202363
Oh, thanks. I figured it was いる->いた and that it was modifying "country", but I couldn't understand what it meant.

I'm still new at reading stuff, mostly still learning Kanji and grammar, but sometimes I try to read around.

>>149202340
>qt
eh

btw does tae kim's basic grammar guide teach が->の

>>149202340
Looks like a total slut, I dig.

>>149202452
電気をつけてください。

>>149202532
嫌なもののでありえないです

>>149202340
>can't translate "i think that animal is injured" into japanese
>bilingual
wtf

DJT, if you ever have kids, will you raise them bilingually?

>>149202582
I guess you could say... *puts on sunglasses* She didn't learn Japanese from zero.

>>149202340
there's no evidence at all showing him speaking fluent japanese in this video lol.

>>149202529
she's only 13, anon

>>149202685
It's hard to say. Depends on what country I live in then and what languages my wife speaks.

I think it's quite useless to try and raise them bilingually if only I speak the language in question.

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>>149202722
I know. *licks lips*

>>149202685
i'm gonna get my kid into eroge and eromanga from an early age so that he'll be motivated to learn japanese too

>>149202685
Yes. Actually I would teach them all 3 languages, since I am not native English speaker. A kid needs to know parents' languages + english is super useful.

How else the kid can communicate with the grandparents?

>>149202685
Won't have to, everyone in this country grows up to be bilingual or even trilingual.

>>149202753
>>149202789
>>149202795
>>149202863
Sorry, by bilingual I meant your mother tongue and Japanese (English is pretty much a given, even if you live outside the Anglosphere)

>>149202685
Definitely yes as I am an expatriate ESL.
So at the very least my mother tongue (French), English and the language of whatever country I live in (German for now).

For Japanese, if the kid shows strong interest why not. My niece always wants me to teach her some kana/kanji whenever she visits, I wish my parents could have done the same for me, lucky kids I swear.

>>149202340
youtu.be/F5cbmO0zTxc#t=158

>>149202712
George did do some weird ass Japanese shows for like over a decade where he would have Japanese co-hosts on. Again, definitely fluent, but that doesn't mean he should be teaching Japanese.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf4BtEbsQeI

>>149202966
i mean the internet unites the world

>>149202931
My mother tongue is a weird German dialect.
I'd like them to know it but I don't think it'll be very useful to them, aside from talking to my relatives.

>>149202204
Such as?

>>149203115
You disappoint me today HipHopanon
This was much better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXLTOXMCqmo

>>149203214
http://japanesetest4you.com/ seems pretty good.

>>149203214
Tae Kim, nihongonomori, Imabi. If you count pirated resources, then obviously DoJG.

>>149203244
the timestamp was me @ that post

>>149203294
Tae kim is more detailed than what he was asking for?

>>149203294
you forgot the ixrec guide

sometimes i want to meme like everyone else ok dont judge me

>>149201309
>genki
My god how I hate Genki. I don't how can people tolerate it.

>>149203294
>Tae Kim
What did he mean by this? https://www.reddit.com/r/badlinguistics/comments/3lufsh/wannabe_expert_insists_japanese_isnt_sov_because/

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>>149202685
I'm ESL and would say am pro-efficient in all 3 languages I know counting Japanese (or will definitely be in Japanese by the time I have a kid if I'm not already) but I'm really not sure about that. It's a question I've asked myself quite a bit but without really finding a good answer to it.

It would really depend on where I live. If I end up living in Japanese and the kid is half I don't think I would bother teaching the kid French. I'd do my best to help them learn English properly but not from birth, I'd simply be sure they end up learning it properly by the time it matters to them (15-18y old+).

Sure the idea of raising my kid bilingual is a really appealing but more than anything I'd just want my kid to be happy and feel """normal""" around others. I wouldn't want to risk doing something that'd make my kid a loner or something. Skills are nice and all but there are more important things in life, and more important values and such I would like to teach him or her before languages. Things like art and computer skills also valuable for example (there are massive misconceptions regarding art still as of today). Still once again the goal would still for them to know English by the time they're 18 or so for sure.

>>149203363
badlingers going badling on a beginner's learning resource

tae kim's blog post is pretty much entirely about the myth of fixed word order, not the fact of the sov default word order. non-linguistics people don't understand what "sov verb order" means in the linguistic context.

that's not badling, that's beginner's lies.

>>149203371
maybe you should try getting pro efficient at condensing your posts to 140 charas or less so i will actually read it

>>149203294
I can't really judge that guy's content, but honestly, Tae Kim is pretty bad man.

>DJT hates Tae Kim now
What the fuck?

>>149203465
internet hate machine or something

>>149203414
Why?

>>149203294
Entirely out of curiosity, how decent is Imabi?

>inb4 just go judge for yourself
I don't need to when I have you guys. Also, not interested enough to go do it.

>>149203361
There is literally nothing wrong with Genki. As long as you're self-studying and not being held back by a senile teacher who thinks it should take over a year to get through.

>>149203371
ESL too, I agree.

>>149203465
The vicissitudes of time, man

>>149203514
It's a linguistic description of japanese.

>>149203514
Perfect for ESL that already know Japanese

>>149203569
this is the first paragraph of imabi that says anything about the japanese language
> Japanese, similarly, also puts sounds together, but it usually only allows CV or V syllables. Also unlike English, syllables don't bleed into each other because each syllable is pronounced ideally with equal beats. This beat is formally called a mora, but you don't need to know this word to remember how the system works.

>>149203514
dont trust anyones opinion here even mine

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>>149203516
I hate the whole "you are in a classroom" approach they use. It reminds me of when I was learning English and it bothers me on a personal level.

>>149203465
Tae Kim is fine for what it is, a beginner resource. A kind of bootstrap into the language before moving on to DOJG, Kanzen Master, etc.

Grammar authorities are in Japanese for the Japanese language in any case. I'd say that even 知恵袋 is a better resource than most grammar guide in English for advanced items

I'd recommend Tae Kim to anyone beginning in Japanese.

>>149203514
>how decent is Imabi?
Not as good as Meibi. :D

>>149203695
bad joke, bad execution, bad personality
lurk for another 2 years before posting again

>>149203675
what do I do after TK for grammar though (I'm reading every day, on top of that I mean)

>>149201576
B-but that's what Namasensei tells you to do to learn kana. Would it be OK if this guy said "I know, it's fuckin hard. Just DO IT."

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>>149202363
>country where I was
私の

Isn't my x? How do you go to "country where I was"?

>>149201412
shameless self-bump

>>149203715
Never reply to one of my posts ever again

>>149203738
I don't know. Just keep tossing the random shit you find on your reading sections on DOJG I guess?

I DON'T KNOW STOP ASKING

>>149203738
Whenever you encounter an unknown grammar point, refer to DoJG or Google it and read the explanations on oshiete/chiebukuro/etc

>>149203821
私がいた国 = 私のいた国
の can substitute for が in relative clauses, even if it's not important for clarity purposes

>>149203738
If you want something structured you can work through the Sou Matome N3-1 grammar books. If not, reading and looking up stuff you don't recognize works just fine.

>>149203738
I did DOBJG after TK back then, worked well
Imabi is not bad but the presentation is fucking terrible, it's better to check japanese Q/A websites, if you can.

What's your favorite word that you learned from h-manga?
Mine is 調教

>>149203738
I think Tae Kim's grammar was only most N5 and some N4. So learn more grammar from somewhere.

http://japanesetest4you.com/ has nicely listed all grammar, but only shows example sentences.

日本語の森 on youtube explains a bit more in detail, but they only speak Japanese. And I don't think they have other than n3-1 grammar.

>>149203850
oshiete galko-chan?

It's been five weeks since I started learning Japanese my reading so far is okay (considering the time frame) but my pronunciation is still absolute dog shit, when I hear myself it sounds fine but when I record myself and listen to it I want to fucking kill myself.

Any advice DJT?

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>>149203932
孕む

>>149203909
>reading and looking up stuff you don't recognize works just fine.
I wish. Sometimes shit is too specific/you can't find anything for a particular case on google and then you have no option left but to ask to someone. To many, that means asking here, and FUCK asking stuff here.

>>149203994
Haramu www

>>149203940
>Any advice DJT?
Post the recordings for specific advice.
Generally what one would do is called language shadowing. But as you record yourself you might actually be doing just that.

>>149203940
Go through the 五十音 and practice each kana individually, making sure you can pronounce them correctly. After that, listen to Japanese people speaking and mirror them for intonation and rhythm.

>>149203933
>I think Tae Kim's grammar was only most N5 and some N4.
Really? I just did Tae Kim and never really came across anything I didn't know since I've started reading.

I know Tae Kim doesn't go in depth but I doubt one could say it's just "N5-N4". I feel like Tae Kim teaches a lot of things that are valuable on pretty much all levels and on which one can start learning the rest simply through reading.

>>149203940
sit back and watch 5 months turn into 50 feeling the same way just like i did heres me after my 50 months for evidence http://vocaroo.com/i/s1hfD4hFgwX3

>>149203996
Yea, that's the downside. As I said, the Sou Matome books or Kanzen Master books give a good, relatively brief overview of up to N1 grammar. I recommend them.

>>149203914
What is DOBJG? The anki deck with grammar points?

>>149204117
Well it has been some time since I read the book, but what I remember was that the grammar it teaches wasn't advanced. Useful regardless.

>>149200736
>Why are you learning Japanese?
I usually say "literature". They're fairly impressed and think of "The Art of War" or some shit.

>>149204117
I find that rather hard to believe. How long have you been reading for and what kind of content do you read?

>>149204117
Tae Kim only covers basic grammar. It's incredibly USEFUL grammar, but it's still only the basics. It's pretty fair to say its N4 level.

>>149200818
>this
At work my senpais' know im learning japanese just to read manga and play video games.

>>149204136
DoJG = Dictionary of Japanese Grammar (series)
DoBJG - Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar (first volume of said series)
The Anki deck is just the contents of the three books converted to a flashcard format.

>>149204114
>五十音
Japanesse what?

>>149204210
>>149204247
>>149204251
Half a year. Well I do end up having to rikai or google things but once I'm told what it is I simply carry on.

I don't read really complicated stuff (manga, moege), surely comes a time where I'll need to study more advanced grammar.

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>>149204307
Pathetic.

>>149203839
http://kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles%2Fjapanese%2F
This is what I use often. You'll have to re-time them using software like Aegisub, though.

>>149204369
The time will come soon. Its better to start learning more as soon as possible. Just don't burn yourself out.

>>149204219
No one would believe that.
What I say is that I started learning Japanese for manga and that I moved on to novels and other content after I got better.

Very few people learn languages to read literature as a first objective, unless you are Steve Kaufmann.

>>149203872
I see, but isn't a bit counterintuitive?

How does one tell it's not a case of 's?

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People talked and talked and I still don't really know what to do after Tae "only N4 tier" Kim.

>>149204520
welcome to japanese

どっちに一票

http://www.strawpoll.me/11533199

>>149203294
>nihongonomori
Which of their videos are good?

Their Japanese Basic Grammar series isn't finished and no one uploaded something for months.

>>149204577
tobira if you can read it. if you can't, vocabulary is much more important than grammar to you.

>>149204594
that's the only good series they have sorry

>>149204577
If you pay me $15 on Paypal I'll tell you exactly what you need to do.

>>149204608
ill do the same for 14

>>149197605
I'd mine it, but I'm afraid it'll taint other kanji in my deck.

>>149204520
Well I highly doubt that guy literally owns the country he went to.

>>149204631
I meant "My country" as "The country I come from" lol, but I can see it know.

I guess he would have used

私が国から if that was the case?

>>149204475
Damn anon
this seems fantastic at first glance
thanks

>>149204577
Find sites with grammar teachings.

Learn vocab.

That is what learning language is all about. Don't get stuck in the nuances until you know more of the language. Unless you find it easy.

>>149204731
You'd probably use 出身 to talk about the country you are from.

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>>149194228
えいきょうをうけてる

きがするよ

このひとの

>>149204577
read yotsubato

if its difficult then that means you just didnt do a good job in your studies

this can be remedied by looking at flash cards for several hours a day

>>149204577
Literally how much is there even after the "basics"
??

This is too tiresome. I read one damn chapter and I feel like going to bed because I have to search so much shit to get it done.

Free me from this hell.

>>149204813
私の国はｄｊｔ

>>149204918
i dont want to break the meme theme but i will for you

read things appropriate for your reading level such as 絵本s

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Damn, she's really kicking off my autism with how much she uses desu, even after fucking verbs for some annoying reason.
This used to not be an issue.

>>149204987
dont worry im sure youre not interpreting it correctly so whatever youre feeling is just an illusion brought on by lack of understanding

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>>149199006
Happened with me when I DIDN'T study Japanese.

The baker in my neighborhood lived for some time in the US, so every time my dad goes to the bakery, he speaks in English with the dude for practicing (or circlejerking, who knows).

So once I went with him and he told the baker: "Oh, my son also speaks English, he learned it by himself... and he also knows Japanese!".

By "he knows Japanese", of course, he meant "my son likes that annie may thing".

The baker turned to me and said: "Oh, really? Cool! What are some foods they have there?"

I was caught off-guard. I could list some Japanese food even with my weeb wapanese, but words failed me:

"I-it depends..." - I replied.
A few seconds of awkward silence, and then the dude went: "Ohh, I see..."

Why, dad?

>>149204987
Now you have revealed the true face of moe. It is a gift in a curse.

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>>149204918

>>149199006
それは大丈夫
教えて
あなたの思う
私について
私はしようとしない
議論する
またはそれを保持
あなたに対して
私は知っている
あなたを残している
必要があります
あなたの理由
シーズン
呼び出しですとあなたの絵
落ちています

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皆知っているだろう
世界が嘘で満ちていることを！
そして真実は隠されていることを！
愚者は平等と言う！
しかし皆知っている、世界が平等でないことを
愚者は自由という！
しかし皆知っている、世界に自由がない事を
愚者は愛と言う！
しかし皆知っている、愛が人を裏切ることを
愚者は人を殺すなと言う！
しかし皆知っている、世界が殺人で満ちている事を
愚者は嘘をつくなと言う！
しかし皆知っている、愚者こそが嘘つきである事を
愚者の嘘を鵜呑みにした者は馬鹿を見る
そう、嘘なのだ！
すべては嘘であったのだ！
世界がずっと前からあることも
これからあり続けることも
すべては嘘だ！
我々が前に踏み出そうとするその先は・・・
奈落なのだ！！
世界は終わる！
確実に終わる！
これが真実なのだ！

＊ものすごく大きいおならをする＊

>>149204886
It was based off The Kiss, a painting by Gustav Klimt.
I don't know if Nakashima was influenced by his painting but if so, I'm not really seeing it.

>>149204908
The rest of the language.

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I saw these "needle" tip pens while looking for some new pens to do my writing practice with the other day and figured I'd give them a try.

Holy shit, it's so much easier to write characters nicely with them. You get a lot more friction with the page so it's much easier to control than a rollerball/ballpoint tip which slides across the paper really easily and make it hard to do the sort of right-angle shapes that kanji are written with.

My only complaint is that you have to write quite quickly since if you hold the pen to a single place for a few seconds, a lot of ink leaks out onto the page and soaks it resulting in a big blotch.

>>149204987
です is old and used up whereas デス is the new hotness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60mLvBWOMb4