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Why is Jojo's so bad?

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>Part 4 was the best they said
>Boring characters
>Jobber villain
>more retarded monster of the week bullshit but with no real stakes to give a shit about so it makes 70% of the episodes filler
>QUALITY animation
>same shitty soundtrack as Part 3
>"but muh DUWANG!"

What fucking retards said part 4 would be better than part 3? It's worse in almost every single way. This show is Naruto-tier garbage now. I wish I was exaggerating or baiting but I'm sure you apologists will think of some bullshit reason to defend this.
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What got you so worked up, anon?

You need a hand drying those tears?
Don't worry, I read your post. What you said is important and your opinion is in trust.
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>>149186692
>What fucking retards said part 4 would be better than part 3?
But it is. Every complaint you said also applies to part 3, but worse.
>Boring characters
>villain that does absolutely nothing for 90% of the part, then loses twice to the MC
>retarded monster of the week bullshit but with no real stakes to give a shit about so it makes 70% of the episodes filler
>QUALITY Dio
>shitty soundtrack
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This. In addition the villains are so fucking weak.

>mfw the main villain power is only make thing explode.
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>>149187232
>part 3
>no real stakes

Did you even watch the damn show?
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>>149186692
Wow nice obinon. Very objectively incorrect
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So, can we agree that part 2 is the best ?
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>>149187268
Do you? Part 3 has just as much "filler" as part 4. You could skip most of the fights and you wouldn't notice a thing.
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>>149186692
>Part 4 was the best they said
Only people with bad taste.
2, 6 & 7 are the great ones; the other are somewhere between OK and meh.
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>>149187314
Pretty much every fight in Part 3 was connected to Dio.

Most of part 4 has nothing to do with Kira. His retarded photo daddy is more of a villain than he is.
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>>149186692
(you)
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>>149187239
Do people really think like this? DBZ isn't the only way to do action stories.
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Part 4 almost works like a Slice Of Life sometimes. I like it, but i can see why you don't. To each his own i guess.
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part 3 was boring and dio vs jotaro fight was just plain bad compared to the old iteration
part 4 isn't really that bad, it's kinda low-scale compared to the previous parts but that's not a bad thing, really
i can't wait for part 7 though, it's the best one imo
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>>149187682
The only fear i have for part 7 is that I feel that the animation will be either real good or real bad. Is there any good anime with that far west style?
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>>149187648
^^^
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>>149187379
That doesn't mean they had any more tension to them. You could replace a ton of the villains with that of part 4, and it would have no real effect on the overarching plot.
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>>149187661
Slice of who the fuck's life is this? Because i doubt he is human. Monster of the week usually doesnt mesh with SOL, you can argue its SOL elements come from kiras home life, but i still dont buy it because its played as a psychotic horrorshow more than regular life.
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>there will never be a good discussion about JoJo on /a/ ever again
The anime really was a mistake
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nicest bait
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>>149187343
>part 2

wow dude... now you reminded me that Kars is still in space
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>>149186692
JoJo doesn't get good until part 5.
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>>149187682
Part 7 will literally never be animated, it's one of the least popular parts and we'll be lucky if David isn't bankrupt after part 6.
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>>149188071
>people said this about part 2, then part 3 and part 4 as well
>now they are saying it about part 5

Never would've thought I'd see the day.
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>>149188219
Part 5 is just a slightly better and gayer version of part 3.
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>you've lived until a time where people hate part 4
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>>149188285
The anime was a mistake.

Memes were a mistake.
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>>149188285
What is animeonlyfags?
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>>149187239
Animeonlys are a mistake
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>people think part 7 is good
>people think part 7 will look animated
retards
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>>149188648
look good*
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>friend has died and seriel killer is on the loose
>other friend was trying track him down somehow
>nah let me waste his time trying to scam him for money

Part 4 garbage and holy shit is the new OP awful
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Part 3 fags never fail to prove the stereotype about part 3 fags right.
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>>149188780
>muh hair
>muh money

what a shit character, jesus christ
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jojo is literally the pinnacle of anime and manga. rest is weeaboo shit.
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>>149188924
Name 15 anime you have watched.
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>>149187648
No one ever said that it's the only way, but it's the only correct way.
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>>149186692
I'm not going to pretend that JOJO not jojos you fuckin tard is the greatest thing in the world, but if you think it's anywhere as garbage as naruto you have serious taste issues
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Part three was so fucking shit that I dropped the series forever. Good to know that it keeps being shit after part three and that I made the right choice.
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>>149189325
nobody mentioned naruto, tard.
jojo is same shonen shit as naruto though.
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>>149189412
Can you read? OP said it was naruto tier garbage, it's at least a tier better. They're so different I don't understand how you could compare them other than muh shonen and strong MC
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>>149189562
>they are so different
>every week new villain with new ability/stando
fuck off, it's mindless shonen shit.
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>>149189325
>>149189562
Naruto at least has interesting characters that you actually give a shit about. Part 4 has none of that.
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>>149189691
Yeah like sasuke right???
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>MOM LOOK I'M BAITING PPL ON 4CHIN
>IM LE ANONYMOOSE
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>>149188312
>>149188408
>more people gets exposed to part 4
>why these people are invading muh circlejerk?
QUALITY aside, the studio pretty much colored the manga so I doubt reading it would change the animeonlyfags opinion
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>>149189595
That's what makes it entertaining, it doesn't try to be babby's first epic forced drama with magic powers and shitty plot twists
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>>149188864
I want to marry him.
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>>149189562
It's definitely a worse battle show than Naruto, but a better comedy show than OPM.
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Part 1 is the only good part
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>>149187239
I hope you're baiting
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>>149189949
it doesn't make it entertaining. it shows that you dont want to accept that jojo is a kiddo show.
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jewjew is one of the two best animes along with berserk if you disagree ur a pedo moecuck weebfag
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>>149190061
When did I say it wasn't? I just said it was less garbage than naruto, because it doesn't attempt something it shouldn't
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>>149190074
it's nowhere on the level of Berserk.
only good thing about jojo is characters looking /fa/ as fuck.
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>>149186692
better luck next time OP
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>>149190052
Wew, I'm glad I am not the only one who felt the part 4 villain are weak.
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>>149190052
Actually, that proof Japan agreed with him
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>>149190099
bleach, naruto, op, dbz and jojo. all belong in one place - >>> trash
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To be honest, after reading the manga, I lost all interest in the anime. Is it just me?
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>>149190159
what animes do YOU like UH????
i bet itsl ike generic moemoe ching chong chan #14151512
fucking pedo, KYS
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>>149190217
better than being a closeted faggot.
KYS
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>>149190159
But anon all anime belongs in the trash
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>>149190256
jojo isnt gay, its FABULOUS
fuck off, pedo!!!!!
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>>149190309
>go to /jojo/
>half posts are about cuddling josuke and fucking narancia.
fuck off faglord.
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Stands > sasuke
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>>149190407
>ORA ORA ORA
XD
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haha jojo meme! jojo MEME J O J O M E M E
MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMEEEEEEEEEE
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*TELEPORTS AWAY*
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>>149186692
Good bait thread, look at all the replies you got.
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>>149190475
SASUKE COME BACK XD SASUKE SASUKE SASUKEEEE
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>>149190102
They're both equal in my heart, just for very different reasons.
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>>149190589
>ZA WARUDO
XD
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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>>149190345
are you new to /a/?
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I just don't think Jojo, particularly part 4 or 3 work well in anime format. The constant filler inbetween plot episodes is so unbelivably dull that (as I've read the manga all the way to part 8) I'll skip episodes that I know have no real effect on the plot. 2 worked well as the story layout meant there wasn't much filler as it moved from plot point to plot point, even if they did drag out part 2 to hit that 24/26 episode quota.

Part 5 should work better in an anime format imo. 7 will be incredible.
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>>149190179
Nah man I'm the same. Only anime adaptation I'm looking forward to is 7.
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>>149190633
But that's the fun unlike watching naruto try to suck off SASUKE for 50 chapters
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>>149190663
This is the most retarded /jojo/ meme. part 7 will look horrendous animated.
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>>149190663
>7 will be incredible.
anon...
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>>149190710
might as well now start to watch ben 10 too m8.
new episode, new alien, new powers.
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>>149188780
These outfits are gay as fuck

And it just gets worse in Part 5
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>>149190789
>>149190791
Ok in hindsight saying part 3/4 didn't work I suppose 7 wouldn't either due to length and there being no anime yet to get a good western style. It's just that I really fucking liked part 7. Had the best ending and best sub-plots as well. Plus coolest villain, although I don't getWhy didn't he just a Johnny from another universe and kill him? Can't remember if it was explained or not
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>>149190824
>new episode
>new ninja
>new powers
Stick to pokemon
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More shitty a series, more cancerous the fanbase.
example: jojo
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>>149190929
Beyblade>>>>Pokemon
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I've never seen an anime that is as good as naruto
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>>149186692
There is so much fucking filler
I hate part 3 and 4's dick head of the week format
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>>149191061
Pfff more like gayblade
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>>149191111
Kai and Ray are better than any character in naruto and jojo.
also, /fa/ as fuck.
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>>149191098
Isn't every jojo part exactly that?
>bad guy introduced
>gets killed after a few chapters
>next big bully shows
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>>149191189
>Kai
Isn't he just babys first edgelord?
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Part 4 is a mixed bag. I'm liking it more than part 3 but this thing about ghost daddy is just too stupid
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>>149191323
>character does not talk much
>he has to be edge lord
he was the only one with intelligence and epicness.
Dranzer can blow away any jutsu or stando.
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>>149191414
>intelligence and epicness
Yeah like I said, edgelord

Also come on
>dark past
>face paint for no real reason
>wears mostly black
>'i work alone' attitude
He's a pretty basic edgelord
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>>149191231
In part 1 and 2 almost every episode moved the main plot along
In part 4 you have episodes that do nothing for plot or characters, like the when they had to fight the rats, i almost stopped watching the show all together there
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>>149188780
In retrospective, it'd be better if Araki killed Okayasu for selling Yoshikage Kira as main villain of the arc. Killing Josuke's buttbuddy would mean a lot more than killing a literally who. Okayasu already closed his arc by avenging his brother and he didn't do much besides comic relief. There's his dad's subplot but not even Araki cared about that
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>>149191474
well, calling characters like him edgelord has become a meme. i agree though but nothing wrong with edgelord characters.
there is nothing likable about tyson or naruto.
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>>149191581
I'd have an edgelord over a over the top upbeat character anyday. Only exception to that rule is Gon from HunterXHunter.
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Naruto treatment for Jojo fucking when???
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>>149191661
This is training only you can do jojo!
You're the chosen one!
Hopefully never
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>>149191011
Pornogatari? Kyoanifags? Yu-Gi-Oh?

Yep. It all checks out.
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>>149191696
That sound like part 1 and part 2, considering how quickly Jonathan and Joseph dominated the Hamon and surpassed masters with years of training. Jotaro was a Gary Stu
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>>149191581
beyblade's soundtrack was goat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMfXlKP9Pj0
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>>149191771
>>149191771
Eh I guess but watching them as Gary stus felt much better than watching naruto for some reason
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>>149191661
Acknowledgement of moe-shit being cancer when?
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>>149191846
I guess it's just a matter of execution. Araki is talented and Kishimoto isn't
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>>149189595
Big deal. There is nothing wrong with a villain every week.
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>>149190052
That's probably my favourite JJBA cover, it's so fucking good.
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>>149191661
I hope it comes soon enough.
I'm tired of the normalfag tier praising of jojo.
I miss when jojo was relatively unknown.
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>>149186692
I agree with OP Jojo part 4 is a mess.

It never establishes the main villain of the show until way later plus we get filler that never impacts the story.
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>>149191971
thats the basic template of a kiddy and shitty show.
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part 4 IS the best. every other part is unworkable garbage full of retcon plot armor bullshit.

at least 4 had only 1 instance of plot armor when they discovered kira's ID and he ran away compared to the dozens of flaws in the other series.
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>>149188285
/a/ is not "people"
/a/ is filled with reddit and malfags
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>>149192578
will take unworkable garbage of other parts than the "epicness" of 4 and 7.
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>>149192578
They never use Joseph hermet purple (stand) to find Kira.
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Reminder that Part 3 is the best part.
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>>149190074
Is this an ironic false flag or just a buttblasted retard?
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>>149192672
fucking this.
3 and 5 are best parts.
people love to post 7 as best cause:
>untouched by normies
>will not get anime so normies will not know about it
>contrarian spirit.
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>barely relevant to the story happens in part 4

That's the point guys, getting into money grubbing schemes and sitting back eating supernatural Italian food is the charm of part 4.
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>>149192730
Are you baiting or just retarded? Parts 7/4 were the most acclaimed on /a/ before the anime started. Do seriously think an entire fanbase would base their tastes on what normies like?
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>>149192851
>/a/ is one person
>/a/ is hivemind and my hugbox.
even /jojo/ does not share that opinion of 4/7
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>>149192851
>normies

Part 4 is awful by JoJo standards.
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>>149190074
This is supposed to be insulting I'm guessing but the information in your post is 100% true
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>>149192851
>parts are "acclaimed" on /a/.
kys.
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I thought people who hated JoJo loved those slice of life shows

Here's JoJo but slice of life what the fuck is the problem now
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>>149186692
It's obviously better than 3. 3 is faved in Japan only due to inventing stand system, that'll be used in all kind of vidya like pokemon or persona. Also, Jotaro was good. But that's all. Plot is garbage, travelling thru world is also garbage and boring.
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>>149193106
because even this SOL tier fillers of jojo are shit.
no consistency.
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>>149192764
Randum xD
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>>149193117
>obviously
not obvious m8. shit argument.
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>>149186692
Part 2>4>1>3(anime)
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>>149186692
Jojo is objectively the most overrated anime of all time by a long shot.
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>>149193124
There's no filler in slice of life dumbass, that 'filler' is the main attraction
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>>149193160
I'm too lazy to write wall of text, sorry. If you don't understand why 4 is superior and comfy - blame your shit taste.
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>>149193117
>obviously
it is obvious that part 4 is weak as fuck. it is just there to provide comic relief before high voltage action of part 5.
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>>149193166
well no wonder people dont like part 4, faggot.
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>>149193225
Then it's probably not sol fags that are hating on JoJo
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This is an anime adaptation of a manga from 1992, so keep that in mind

Thought to be honest here Part 4 still blew anything these three seasons right out of the water
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>>149186692
>This show is Naruto-tier garbage now.
Naruto is better than Jojo.
I don't even like Naruto but i'd rather have non-stop uchiha fapping
than retarded asspulls that kill the entire arc.

Anyway watches/follows Jojo for the fucking story?
The only thing about the series is the wacky memes

inb4 bait, underage faggot
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>>149193194
But 5 is shit and full of faggtory. It's the most unpopular jojo arc of all times, c'mon
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>>149192951
Well alot of /a/ is a hivemind, lets not fool ourselves but who said anything about a hugbox? I was just calling out the pure retardation of muh contrarian boogeyman.

>>149192953
What don't you like about it?

>>149193058
>How dare you talk about /a/'s general taste in response to someone else talking about /a/'s general taste.
You seem like an angry person
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>>149193259
same. would rather have naruto upto pein arc than this slideshow meme garbage.
also, naruto songs and music is based as fuck.
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It only took 4 arcs for people to realize what a hack araki is?
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>>149193294
>part 5 is the most unpopular
time to look out of bubble.
even most people on /jojo/ agree it has best action and what is jojo without action.
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>>149193354
>/jojo/
This is why people hate you
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>>149193305
Like I said previously >>149192483

also no one important dies
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>>149193382
my point is even though /jojo/ hate part 5 with passion but they cant refute that it has best action.
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>>149193165
I enjoyed watching it, but I wouldn't say it's one of the best anime ever.

And I'm sure most people who've watched it can agree. It's fun, but nothing groundbreaking
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Holy shit. Jojotards are the most cancerous.
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>>149193414
Ok fair enough, It's definitely the least serious/story based of all the JoJo parts. I personally liked all the random comfy adventures.
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As meme and cancerous as JOJO is, I don't understand how people can like fucking naruto better
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>>149193566
Naruto doesn't have entire filled with asspulls
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Even though the weekly enemies are often unrelated to Kira, Part 4 has a much larger number of recurring characters and events than Part 3, where often the development was just crossing a new area. It's definitely still episodic though, and I prefer Part 2's storytelling.

It's actually kind o surprising that Jojo did so well in the early 90s, since at that point it seemed to be the rise of shounen series with continuous running stories.
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>>149193566
i cant understand how jojotards can say without embarrassment that jojo is the peak of anime. its only thing is character design, rest is garbage.
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>>149193542
That is why I stop watching part 4. I'm just going to search up the fight scenes plus you can skip part 3 and 5 it's not require to follow up with Part 6 which is my personal fav
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>>149193676
>>149193542

Part 4 not 3.
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>>149193676
>skip the best parts
>watch long part 6 for final 2 fights.
retard.
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>>149190345
>going on /a/
>not being a faggot or a little girl

Naranciafags are little shits, but just about anyone can be partial to cuddling Josuke.
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>>149193749
not everybody likes loud mouthed, money grabbing protags.
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part 2,3 and 8 are the most enjoyable arcs to read
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>>149193838
Nobody gives a shit. He's cute.
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>>149193259
>Ghostcuck pretends he has taste
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>>149193951
nobody gives a shit.
shitty character and protag.
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This is now a Josuke thread, post qt Jewskis
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>>149193259
>The only thing about the series is the wacky memes
That's the worst fucking part about the series. It made the fanbase absolutely unbearable for me.
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>>149193624
Naruto has more as spills and unrecealed powers than jojo
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>>149188071
But part 5 is shit. Diavolo is worst villain. Jobin might top him though.
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>>149187239
>implying
A fucking rat is stronger than DIO
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>HURRDURR FILLER
I wish you fags would just read a goddamn book and learned not to chant the same stupid line every damn time.
Stories aren't just videogame plots. Sometimes there is indeed a final goal and everything heads into tht direction. But not all stories.
Chapters where a new Stand show up are interesting because the character is interesting. The "fights" that happen end up being entertaining because of the misplaced tension.
And they have value on their own.
Good isolated capsules end up being better than the usual miniboss obstacles in the usual shonens.
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>>149192609

I've lurked /a/ JoJo threads and Reddit JoJo threads. Most of the time /a/ is shitty character focused threads or bait threads, with occasionally actual discussion.

Reddit has shitty animeonly memes and bad fanart....but they also have actual discussion about characters, even more often than /a/. It's getting harder to tell whether Reddit or /a/ is worse for JoJo threads, but maybe both were shit all along?
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>>149194428
i hope you would read good books and not kid's fight comics.
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i guess normies dont like BIZARRE ADVENTURES baka
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>>149190907
>Why didn't he just a Johnny from another universe and kill him? Can't remember if it was explained or not
Because only Johnny could undo the infinite spin shit he did to him
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>>149187343
good taste
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>>149186692
I think my main problem with part 4 is that it's directed like an action show, so once the main plot is introduced the SOL bits just feel like pointless diversions. Earlier when it was just stand of the week it worked better. Also Josuke is a really bland protagonist, he reminds me of Ichigo.
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Honestly I liked part 3 better than part 4, but I'm really just looking forward to Vento Aureo.
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>>149194913
i will stop watching jojo after part 5.
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>>149187648
dbz wasn't even the first who did the new arc villian is stronger than the one from the previous style of battle shonen
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>>149194834
Not really. Part 2 has a good protagonist, but not much else. It has the worst supporting cast the series has to offer, and Kars was a shit main villain.
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>>149186692
i read/watch jojo for the crazy fights and i can't wait for vento aureo
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>>149194932
I really liked part 7, though.
and part 6 was kind of alright
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>>149189877
The manga is in color though.
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>>149187239
>implying

DIO died like a choking dog, kek.
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>>149188864
It's what makes Josuke funnier and different hat other jojo's. He's Joseph's son and he kinda inherited that mischievous personality. He's nowhere near as cool as jotaro as he is no where near as level headed and can not come up with cool one liners. And his great great grand pappy would think he's a low life. all this plus he's immature, a punk, a scady cat, vain but really kind with one of the coolest stands and we get a pretty likeable character.
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>>149195394
pottery
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>>149193464
Still the only worthy aring show right now.
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>>149193165
that's not dbz
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the jojo anime was a mistake
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Part 4 is where it started to get really bad, but I haven't read part 7 or 8. Holy fuck, this last episode. It reminded me how retarded the fights went and how sloppily stands are explained. And how Kira just keeps getting new abilities. It's like each chapter was written by a different person. I don't even understand why people call it SoL when everything is connected to some threat.
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Why is everyone posting in the bait thread?
>>149194914
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>>149195704
>"bait thread guyz"
>posts the circeljerk faggotry thread

Kill yourself Jojoke fag.
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>>149192638
>They never use Joseph hermet purple (stand) to find Kira.
By that time all that Joseph can use Hermit Purple for is maybe to change his daipers.
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>>149195679
Stands are super simple, if you get poked by the arrow you get a stand , and if you get poked again you get another ability. Really simple..
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>>149194882
I think Araki introduced Josuke's money plots for making him less bland but it was kinda too late
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>>149195959
You only get a new ability if you strongly wish for something particular at the moment you're pierced.
That's why Giorno doesn't get anything the first time the arrow pierces him
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>>149193193
>4 is superior and comfy

I'm going to use this excuse for all Naruto fillers from now on.
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>>149195959
That's not what I mean. Including Stray Cat, Kira has no reason to have so many gimmicks unlike anyone else.

>hit tower with stand
>stand pops out and hits you
>erase tower
>??? comes out and erases you
Why would erasing not be the FIRST thing they tried? Even after it was explained, they proved you could simply dodge it or angle it away. Not only that, there was a huge delay. It also really bothered me how Okuyasu didn't step into the field immediately to at least get healed by Josuke.
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>>149196077
>all Naruto fillers
>Implying all of them are shit
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>>149196269
>Why would erasing not be the FIRST thing they tried?
because okuyasu is stupid
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Only part 1 and 2 are really good.
>ghost pokemon with arbitrary powers
>gets even worse later on with Deus Ex Machina "it just works" powers
>characters are all degenerate twinks
>monster of the week
>due to above, main plot takes a backseat and is generally shit anyway
>the style and posing taken up to 11 to the point of unaware self-parody, destroying all style and charm it had in the process

Autists will tell you to read the manga. Don't bother, I fell for the meme, it does not get any better.
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>>149196518
And Josuke is too? He knows what kind of power Okuyasu has
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>>149195679
>he thinks Kira powers are confusing
Don't read part 6, your brain might implode
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>>149196660
Putting words in my mouth, chief. I simply don't like how he has to get new abilities to advance the plot. I read up to 6, but it's been a while.
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>>149196627
Part 4 felt a lot better for me while reading it than watching the anime.

Part 5 had really good fights, nice strategy, and I like the main antagonist's character design.

But to enjoy reading Jojo, you need to understand the symbolic and the poetry that Hirohiko Araki is putting in his work. There's a lot of psychological and philosophical things about each characters and their stories, and a lot of feelings that the mangaka is trying to make us feel.

You can't read Jojo like your standard shönen and expect it to be better than Hunter x Hunter. It isn't if you look at it that way.
But if you see it as something else, and if you aren't expecting much out of it, it is good.
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>>149197178
>symbolism
>poetry
>philosophical
if all these things are in jojo, pretty sure other shonen mangas preach them too.
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>>149197214
You are right, but Araki's focusing more on those aspects than many others.

Some fights are feeling like Deus Ex Machina explanations when they shouldn't and we can find illogical behaving in a decent amount of stands/circumstances, but when you don't see that the fights are exciting.

And at first, I had this feeling that any character could die at any point of the story for any reason, especially the main characters. Even if I lost this feeling after realizing that no protagonist would die before the final fights, or after understanding that Araki will not give us the "Terribly bad endings" I wanted to see to surprise us..
This element of surprise was something that made me enjoy Jojo quite a lot more than others manga I read.
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>>149190052
BASED FUCKING ARAKI.
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>>149196627
The "it just works" is incredibly easy to understand if you read a good translation and use your head. The series would have sucked if it wasmfucking hamon for 8 parts, adding stands was a terrific idea.
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>>149190179
As someone that read the manga before the anime came out, I enjoy the anime as an alternative way of enjoying Jojo. It may not be as good, but it has it's upsides, like being able to do other things while watching, or even watch it with other people.
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>>149192483
A main villain doesn't really have to be established right away, especially when the theme of said villain is basically to be a murder mystery.
Now that I've said that though, the progression of how he gets caught on both cases isn't really executed all that well, since the main characters don't actually do much beyond Jotaro and Koichi finding him via the button, which they didn't really find themselves.
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>>149187239
>He doesn't know
You just fucking wait, you animeonly faggot
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>>149198870
That's part of Jojo's overall plot. The main characters are never able to do anything without the support they get from supportive characters. The R.E.O Speedwagon fundation is just the best characterisation of this, It's on all the Jojo parts after part 1, (except part 5 I guess ? and only present for Joseph's travel in part 4. And not really his fundation in part 2 whatever) and without it the story just wouldn't work. Kakyoin's role isn't that objectively important at the end of part 3, but it's symbolically a big thing. Buchiarati is also a key character to the whole part 5, part 1 only exist because of William Zeppeli meeting Jojo, and part 7 is all about Gyro learning everything to Johnny.
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>>149199143
>gets killed by a fucking ambulance

I can't wait.
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>>149195640
No matter how I look at it, I can't get used that fucking head of hair. Kira looks like a surviving cancer patient.
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>>149186692
I haven't followed JoJo in any medium since SBR ended, but the fact that you fags complain about MotW is bizarre. Do you seriously read JoJo for the fucking plot rather than just a bunch of different weird shit happening?
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>>149201821
Considering how Phantom Blood had pretty strong plot at least until Dio put on the mask, it's not surprising for some people to be disappointed in how Araki's plot-forming has got more formulaic after that.
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>>149186692
>Why is Jojo's so bad?
beacuse it's popular
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I actually felt the same when I read Part 4 some years ago.
People in /a/ talked shit about Part 3 (as this thread shows, they still do), but Part 4 failed to present any improvements over the "Stand of the Week" format that was introduced in Part 3.

Furthermore, I would dare say the antagonists in Part 3 were far more memorable than any single antagonist presented in Part 4 at any point, with the exception of Kira.

If anything, I would say Kira is Part 4's only saving grace, as he really is one amazing character. I'm not sure on my feelings on him as main villain, since he never had any grand purpose other than lead a peaceful life, murder people and collect nails. Regardless, he's one memorable character, and maybe the only memorable character in all of Part 4.

In Parts 1-3, all the main characters and their friends were highly memorable. Jonathan, Speedwagon and Zeppeli. In Part 2, Jospeh, Caesar, Lisa Lisa and Stroheim. In Part 3, Jotaro, Joseph, Abdul, Kakyoin and Polnareff.
They were all tight-knit groups, which seemed like a band of brothers, full of comradery.
The cast in Part 4 is average, at best, as it lacks the cohesion and dynamics the other ones had.

On thing Part 3 had that made it memorable was the whole travelling around the world deal, as you could constantly see different settings on the way to Egypt. That's one huge difference to Part 4 which takes place solely on Morioh.

One of the things that angered me the most about Part 4 is that they had some annoying kid, such as Hayato, play an instrumental part in bringing Kira down.

Mind you, I don't think Part 4 is bad, as I don't think there are bad JoJo parts, but it likely is one of my least favourites.
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>>149202224
Fuck me, I skipped Iggy in Part 3.
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>>149197178
>Part 5, I like the main antagonist's character design.
Ten bucks says you are gay.
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>>149202224
I feel like part 3 did the whole "stand of the week" thing a lot better than part 4. Every new stand user was in a different location in the world and the stand users motives were alot more realistic(money or devotion).
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Animeonly fag here, Part 1 and 2 were the best so far. 1 was glorious, 2 was transcendent.

I was hyped for part 3, but it just had a couple of decent moments and mostly fell flat.

Part 4 has been like 3 but even more bland. I'm not even looking forward to new episodes at all at this point, just hoping it has some kind of decent climax/resolution so we can move on and see what the next part is about.

I miss Hamon.

I miss Dio.
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>>149202050
>Considering how Phantom Blood had pretty strong plot at least until Dio put on the mask
>Considering how Phantom Blood had pretty strong plot until the plot started
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>>149203346
To be honest you're better dropping it altogether. If You don't like 4, you won't like the rest.

5 is just a gayer version of 3 with DIO's son. A point which is never addressed beyond the first few chapters, ever.

6 wraps up the original story with DIO's gay priest enacting what his plan was in 3, apparently. If there's a good thing in it for you it's that the villain has a presence throughout as opposed to other villains from 3 onward. But still lots of MotW.
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>>149203656
I think the antagonists in P5 are a lot more memorable than the ones in P4, to be quite honest.

P5's main issue is that it continued a trend, started by P4, in which the MC gets sidelined by his side characters, considering how Bruno is more MCish than Giorno - though, Giorno isn't unlikeable in any way, he just lacks the presence the JoJo MCs in Part1-3 had.

I would say, though, the whole SotW issue is handled a lot better in SBR and JoJolion, which feel a lot more plot-focused.
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>>149203656

>5 is just a gayer version of 3
>Implying pt. 3 is any less homo
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Stands ruined Jojo
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Part 5 is the best for me, but I can't get into part 6 so I haven't fully read beyond that. Will force myself some day.
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>>149188062
Part 2 isn't monster of the week, and all of the characters are entertaining. Jojo is also best when given a historical setting.
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>>149187287
yes
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from the view point of an anime only pleb that didnt read more than the first 10 posts in this thread; stands were a mistake. part 2 was the best by far yet.
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>>149202224
Part 3's problem was that there were too many stands, and a lot of the earlier ones are rather bland.
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>>149203826
I think Giorno was more like a Silver Age hero, it's not really about his pathos or personality but the character doing crazy shit. There was a time where kids read Superman comics because they wanted to read about a man doing super things
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>>149203656
He'll probably like Part 7.
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>>149205358
Really? I thought all Part 3 Stands were rather menacing.
Even silly Stands like The Sun proved to be formidable, given the right setting.

>>149205553
I'm not talking much about either Giorno's pathos or behaviour, but his presence in the story. Compare him to Jotaro, who was as stoic as Giorno, played the same deal-breaker role, but his presence was that of a MC.
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>>149206639
They might be more menacing, but their powers are less defined and focused more on physical fighting than tactics.
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>>149186692
>Jobber villain

every JoJo villain is a jobber except Pucci
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Jojo is the new thing for /v/ narutards to jump on now that naruto is over. Ironically enough jojo seems to have even worse writing than naruto.
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>>149206844
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>>149206886
Jojo is rife with inconsistencies and plot holes. Meanwhile the worst part of naruto's writing was the stupid plot and powercreeping.
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>>149206728
>more on physical fighting than tactics
Like which ones?
Tower of Gray?
Tohth?
Death 13?
Sethan?
Lovers?
Bastet?
Wheel of Fortune?
Justice?
Tenore Sax?
Osiris?
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>>149206962
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>>149188106
>lucky if David isn't bankrupt after part 6.
David is owned by Fuji TV. That's why they are producing at the same time Monster Hunter stories Ride on.
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>>149207026
Thanks for proving yourself as a /v/ imbecile I guess.
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>>149207077
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>>149191661
No show ever will get naruto treatment
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>>149207168
Yeah thanks to that stupid faggot moot.
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>>149199244
Joseph solo'd all four pillar men by himself.
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I wonder what naranciafag is doing right now?

He must jizz himself just knowing his BF is gonna get animated soon.
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>>149202224
I feel the same way. Part 4 isn't bad, but Kira is by and far the most interesting part of it. I'm always waiting to see how his situation develops and wonder if he'll grow as a person or fall back into his murderous ways, but those segments are so small...

I'll still come back to Jojo every week, but I guess it's just not exciting anymore. It's almost like I'm used to its absurdity, you know? I wonder if anyone else feels this way?
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>>149195679
JoJo has always been like that, from the very beginning. Poorly defined abilities, fights that don't make any sense, etc. You either like it or you don't
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>>149206002
This. The complaints I hear about 3 and up are all things that can be applied to 1 and 2 (except motw), which tells me people are just sick of Arakis style. The later parts also don't have the hype of 1 and 2 to pull off the wierd writing style of JoJo. Part 7 comes along and gives real characterization and plot, while maintaining the absurdness and hype of the old parts. I like all the parts, but it sounds like some people are just sick of the formula
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>>149186692
>QUALITY animation
>same shitty soundtrack as Part 3
That's because the anime is trash but I don't like part 4 that much either.
I'm probably the only person in the universe that has part 1 as their favorite though.
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>>149188004
I miss 2007-10.
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>>149187239

Thats a good thing. Theres more to Kira than I AM THE MOST POWERFUL STAND USER IN THE WORLD MUWAHAHHA

You underaged faggot. Power levels are boring as fuck. You keep introducing more and more powerful guys with every arc, then what? Its meaningless.

>BUT GOKU, THIS GUY HITS 100000000X TIMES HARDER THAN THE LAST GUY!
>SHIT I GUESS I GOTTA PUNCH HIM EVEN HARDER BY ADVANCING TO SUPER SAIYAN LEVEL 30


rinse, repeat.
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>>149209965
I second this. It's always the early chapters that have the best fights and tension in every series before shit gets to borderline dbz levels.

look at even early naruto/bleach/one piece fights compared to the later ones.
Before all the established powerlevels and other bullshit.
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>>149209090
1 and 2 didn't have endless monster of the week bullshit, and the writing was better.
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>>149210331
Yeah, Bleach and Naruto went the typical shounentard way.

It works for DBZ because it's DBZ, and even that loses it's novelty past it's prime, which is why Super feels like bad fanfiction and giving them "God powers" was the biggest write-into-a-corner mistake Toriyama could've made, not that this glorified senile gag manga artist would care.

This is why HunterXHunter is the ultimate Shonen.
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>>149187379
In the worse damn way it was completely moronic. At least most of part 4 stand users had their own motivations goals and personality and we're just fighting the MC just because.
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>>149190179
Nah, I was a manga fag.

My two favourite parts were 4 and 6. I was hyped af for 4 despite not really liking anime. Got around to watching it and found it really underwhelming. I don't think it adapts very well to an animated series, not a weekly one like this.

I kinda hope the anime dies before Part VI and VII come out tbqh. Every new JoJo fan I've met who got into it through the anime so far has been a gigantic faggot.
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>>149187232
3>2>7>6>>8>>>>>>>4>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>5>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>shit>>>>>>>>>>>>>1
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>>149210499
>and the writing was better.
That's bullshit.
Jojo has teriible writting especially in part 1 and 2.
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>>149210700
>Liking part 3
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>>149204042
Considering he stll drew men with testosterone then, yes.

>>149203346
> I miss Hamon
Everyone does. Contrarians would obviously just try to act elitist and say "Y-Y-You only say that because THE ANIMEEEE", as if the anime somehow invented Hamon and this wasn't a phase people who read the original Jojo manga didn't go through themselves when the anime didn't exist.

Then you hear the hshit arguments like "It limits the writing possibilities and creativity!" -- Which really only eludes to the fact they have no creativity. Hamon could've easily gotten an upgrade or new developed techniques, and it's not like hand to hand combat is not a common theme in most shounen.

A most ideal solution would be to have a combination of Stand power with Hamon or some other physical power. What's the point in drawing sexy buff men striking mean poses if they don't even get near each other and just "use their trap card"? You wants to see them going toe to toe, muscle to muscle.
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>>149210848
>Jojo has teriible writting
That's right.
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>>149210499
>and the writing was better
What is good writting for you?
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>>149210925
Plot consistency and coherency is the absolute minimum, therefore putting 4 below 1 and 2.
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>>149211034
>Implying that part 1 and 2 had consistency and coherency
Joshep forgetting about cesar two chapters after he died and how they beat kars is good writting for you?
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>>149211034
> Joseph jumps from a cliff
> Instantly get a helicopter
>Coherent
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>>149211161
What does that have to do with what I said? Do you not know what those words mean? Caesar wasn't Joseph's gay lover who he made a promise to think about every single day so there's nothing inconsistent or incoherent about him not bringing up about Caesar after he's dead. Of course things can always be written better but these things tend to be subjective, whereas consistency and coherency can be objectively observed.

>>149211277
Did someone announce 10 minutes beforehand that there were no helicopters in the area? It can be seen as an asspull for sure but nothing to do with what I said.
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>>149211359
>Did someone announce 10 minutes beforehand that there were no helicopters in the area? It can be seen as an asspull for sure but nothing to do with what I said.
Joshep jump and in two seconds start flying
Where was hidden the helicopter? How the fuck he managed to enter that fast?
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>>149210890
>What's the point in drawing sexy buff men striking mean poses if they don't even get near each other and just "use their trap card"?
Araki stopped drawing buff men after part 4
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>>149211359
I have to believe that a prefect kars with a 400 IQ didn't see joshep stupid plan coming?
What is so incoherent about part 4?
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>>149211359
Idiot, Asspulls are bad writting.
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>>149211458
Maybe the same way the Pillar Men can break the laws of physics.

Again, having a convenient escape helicopter is an asspull that can be seen as bad writing but it's certainly not inconsistent with anything we see leading up to it.

>>149211560
Here's one example: Josuke uses Crazy Diamond on Okuyasu's sliced off arm when he's captured by Chili Pepper which rewinds Okuyasu back to the gang. Josuke was also extremely calm before this, implying he knew for certain that he could use his ability in this way. Then when he uses Crazy Diamond on Kira's hand, the hand flies towards the body instead of the body coming back to the hand. Why is this? Because the plot demanded it, and the consistency was broken for the sake of extending the plot.

>>149211645
When did I say they weren't, dumb fuck?
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>>149211034
>Joshep pulls out a Thompson out of nowhere
>Coherent
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>>149211717
>Maybe the same way the Pillar Men can break the laws of physics.
No, Because Joshep is a normal human (kind off).
Where is your coherency?
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>>149211717
>Here's one example: Josuke uses Crazy Diamond on Okuyasu's sliced off arm when he's captured by Chili Pepper which rewinds Okuyasu back to the gang. Josuke was also extremely calm before this, implying he knew for certain that he could use his ability in this way. Then when he uses Crazy Diamond on Kira's hand, the hand flies towards the body instead of the body coming back to the hand. Why is this? Because the plot demanded it, and the consistency was broken for the sake of extending the plot.
Because i'm pretty sure that the rest of okayusu body was basically getting destroyed/made into electricyty
Josuke "fix it" to his normal form.
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Yeah. I enjoyed Jojo parts 1-3 but part 4 just hasn't been doing it for me. I like Kira as a villain and there are some really good episodes, but it's all mediocre for the most part. I just hope they adapt part 7, cause that's the best JoJo has to offer.
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>>149211818
My point was that they're anime humans, so you can suspend your disbelief at their feats. Just to be clear here, I'm not saying 1 and 2 are masterpieces and 4 is trash. In fact the entire jojo series is rife with shitty writing. However, 4 is worse than 1 and 2 by default because of objectively shitty/broken writing, as opposed to simply asspulls which you can either love or hate.

>>149211890
What does that have to do with anything? Two times Josuke used Crazy Diamond on a severed arm and got two different results, despite showing complete mastery the first time and getting an undesired result the second time.
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I don't even know who is worse, the average jojoposter or the average person who has to make posts about how much they hate jojo.
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>>149212115
>Part 2 is "coherent" and well writteng even if is full of incoherents things and asspull
>Part 4 is incoherent for having one plot hole
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>>149212167
No discussion allowed on /a/ - anime generals
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>>149212167
Everyone knows that JoJo threads are just the gay version of waifu wars anyway
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>>149212262
>/a/
>Discussions
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>>149212167
Fags like you who apparently can't stand any conversation that isn't waifu circlejerking.
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>>149212167
>>149212264
so...what? we shitposting now?
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>>149212387
>Now
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>>149212233
>one plot hole
>one
And I explicitly said, in that very post, that the entire jojo series, including 2, had shitty writing, so I don't know where you're getting "well writteng" from. You sound like an ESL faggot.
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>>149198653
same
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>>149212431
>>one
What else?
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>>149212387
The entire thread is nothing but shitposting, do you not see this shit
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>>149212544
>heaven's door initially needs the target to look at rohan's manga to work
>later he can just whip out his stand to freely turn people into books
If Heaven's Door was at its current form now, and not the "you must see the manga" version when they first encountered Rohan, Josuke would've lost and it would've been a bad end. But of course that would be bad for the plot, so things had to be retconned to work out.

And if you're going to say "w-w-w-well who cares only 2 plot holes tell me another one!" then you can fuck off back to /v/ you stupid fanboy.
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>>149212715
>If Heaven's Door was at its current form now, and not the "you must see the manga" version when they first encountered Rohan, Josuke would've lost and it would've been a bad end. But of course that would be bad for the plot, so things had to be retconned to work out.
That's not a plot hole.
Is explained that the stands involve with the user.
It's an asspull like the helicopter,the Thompson and the Kars battles but if you don't care about these, why would you care about that?
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I feel like Jojo could be something more if the anime went in it's own direction. The impression I got from the opening of part 2 was very different from what the series actually was. Joseph and Caesar fighting/training together and both having a final showdown against the pillar men with appropriate build up. But it's always this one-on-one 5 minutes per hour type of thing.

Against Superfly, Okuyasu had to be taken out of commission right away when he could have solved every problem including ghost dad, which didn't make sense because Josuke should be able to fix him up right then and there. Then they settle things by yelling at each other from long distances, but not really listening to the other person. It's a very dated type of storytelling that never went away.
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>>149212892
>I'm /v/ermin!
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>>149212926
How dare you, the only other board I frequent is /b/
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>>149212826
It's not an asspull, it's a retcon, because Heaven's Door's next appearance is as a humanoid stand and not a manga page out of nowhere. There is no evolution showed like for Echoes. His first appearance is manga and the next from then on is humanoid with no explanation or transition shown.

>It's an asspull like the helicopter,the Thompson and the Kars battles but if you don't care about these, why would you care about that?
I do care that those are examples of shitty writing, I've said it several times now. Is English hard for you to read? One more time: The entire jojo series is full of bad writing but 4 has worse writing than 1 and 2. Read this slowly until you get it, ESLfag.
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>>149212975
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>>149213079
Maybe later, f/a/ggot
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>>149213031
>because Heaven's Door's next appearance is as a humanoid stand and not a manga page out of nowhere.
Are you joking? The manga wasn't Heaven's door apparence.
Rohan said that his stand became a punch ghost after his power "evolve"
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>>149213031
Stands evolve. That's what "development potential" or whataver it's called means in the stats pages. If it's A it means there's a lot for it to learn and become better at.
I've no idea if Heaven's Door had a A on that though. Just saying that's a thing stands do.
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>>149213031
>His first appearance is manga
Thanks for proving that you don't know about what you're talking.
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>>149213164
>>149213192
Are you retarded? The condition for Heaven's Door at its first appearance was for the victim to look at it as a manga page in order to turn them into a book. That is why Josuke won, because he went literally blind with rage. If Heaven's Door had any capability to manually turn people into books at its first appearance then Josuke would've been fucked.

>>149213176
>evolve off-screen and with nobody even batting an eye at the new form, as if it's always been like that
Quality.
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>>149213300
>The condition for Heaven's Door at its first appearance was for the victim to look at it as a manga page in order to turn them into a book. That is why Josuke won, because he went literally blind with rage. If Heaven's Door had any capability to manually turn people into books at its first appearance then Josuke would've been fucked.
And that's what Rohan said, His stand evolve is not hard to understand.
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>>149187661
>sometimes

More like for 5 seconds in a handful of episodes
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>>149213300
>>evolve off-screen and with nobody even batting an eye at the new form, as if it's always been like that
Koichi mentioned it and rohan explain "why" he got that form.
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If Superfly is an independent stand which cannot be unsummoned and even affects the user then how did Toyohiro get all his furniture and shit ?
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>>149213538
Kira's dad?
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>>149211522
And that's when Jojo lost all appeal to me. I don't want this fujoshi bait.
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>>149213602
I don't see how a bunch of skinny guys is fujobait but musculars guys doing faggy poses isn't.
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>>149186692
Read the manga. It's just as shit, but people will shit on you and pretend like you didn't actually get the "right" part 4 experience. It really is shit though, parts 3-5 get worse and worse, then all of a sudden it becomes totally different and arguably better for parts 6 and 7.

Part 8 is meh, I don't care much for it. It should go without saying that parts 1 and 2 are great though.
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>>149209555
Part 1 is my favorite as well anon.
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>>149213582
Isn't the pocket dimension space in his photograph really small? Not to mention he can't even fit furniture through the window.
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>>149190102
>good thing about jojo is characters looking /fa/ as fuck.

How is that good? /fa/ dresses like garbage.
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>>149213668
Fujos prefer skinny prettyboys. Gay men prefer muscular guys.
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>>149213680
How is part 6 good? It has a shitty crew and boring fights, Gay priest was the only good thing about it.
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>>149213741
He can put an arrow on it, So he probably can put other shit there.
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>>149213680
In what way did part 6 fix any of the issues the series had?
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>>149213858
An arrow can actually fit inside the frame. A toilet cannot.
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>>149213912
He had a toilet?
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>>149213999
Did you even watch the episode? He had a toilet which fed into a garden...outside the pylon.
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>>149213538
How did he know exactly how Superfly worked? Why did he tell them how it worked?
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>>149214054
Not really, I read it some years ago.
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>>149213779
> Gay men

Anon, being secure in one's sexuality and appreciative of the beauty of masculinity is not gay. It's UTSKUSHI.

Don't tell me you're some limp dick skinnyfat loser, are you anon?
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>>149214266
>being this defensive
Found the literal faggot. All I was saying is that when it comes to yaoishit fujoshi prefer pretty boy yaoi and gay men prefer muscular men yaoi, generally speaking.
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>>149190074
I mean, you're right
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>>149214411
> Thinking this was me being defensive

it was but mere fact anon -- appreciating masculinity is the patrician's choice, both the Greeks and the Romans agree.
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>>149210331
DEEYO
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>>149214579
Poor damage control.
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>>149186692
>This show is Naruto-tier garbage now
That's why it's so popular. Nobody watches Naruto, Dragonball or Gundam for their garbage writing, but for the entertaining fights and designs
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