FMA is 10 times better than HxH.

xD

The original or Brotherhood?

>>148994820
>>148995767
>>148994751
HxH is 10 times more intellectual than FMA because Gon is a deconstruction of the protagonist as seen in Chimera Ant Arc when he became angry and transformed to beat Pitou unlike other shounen protags who are just happy all the time

Hxh has better characters and story, but FMA is more consistent. I think theyre both as good

>>148995767
either of them are better

>>148995880
This.

>>148995821
by that argument re:zero is better than either
not buying it

>FMA
>Kids learning that doing dangerous thing is bad

>HxH
>Kids learning that dying friend makes them angry

The change in Gon was more drastic than anything that happened to Edward, although after that one time Gon is back to normal for now

>>148994751
HxH 99 > FMAB > HxH 2011 > FMA 2003

>>148995943
>HxH99

What are you doing. what are your intentions

>>148994751
>I'm not short! lol

>>148994751
FMA 2003 is the pinnacle of shounen anime.

>>148994751
And?

>>148995767
The manga.

Both FMA anime are better than HxH anime though

>>148995821
>unlike other shounen protags who are just happy all the time
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>148994751
Already had a conclusion and never faced Hiatus. it`s not even fair. Also, HxH it`s a experimentation of several genres each arc while FMA had it`s style from the start.

>>148996076
What? Its true. Luffy, Naruto, Goku, are just happy go lucky fucks that lack depth. Gon actually showed that hes capable of anger and his dead friend made him transform

>>148996136
Sure, those three sure are.

Your theory already breaks down once you get to fucking Bleach though.

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>>148996136
goku transformed when his friendu died too desu

>>148994751
who cares

I appreciate FMA as a shonen manga that actually tried to tell a story instead of being entirely villain of the week + action sequences. Every chapter had impact, and that's what made it a blast to read. In terms of plot, the stakes got raised gradually higher and higher in a well-coordinated way, and the final battle and epilogue had catharsis out the ass. Still one of my top 10's, even including artsy shit, not even being ironic.

>>148996136
Who's Battousai?

>>148996094
>HxH is an experimentation of several genres

Agreed. It's more intellectual than your usual show, because the characters are actually able to change settings for example

Beginning arcs: whale island-forests-typical fantasy setting

Later arcs: Gritty modern city then back to fantasy setting then finally back to modern gritty setting

>>148995880
>I think theyre both as good

Wrong. A normal human doesn't possess enough number of brain cells to have 2 favourite anime shows at the same time.

>>148996189
>>148996181
>>148996197
>durr Goku did it too11!

Show me Naruto transforming because his friend and beating the enemy with wrath, showing another side to him. Show me Luffy and ichigo and Natsu doing this shit. Gon was your usual shonen archetype until he sees that shit gets real and he shows another side to him

>>148996196
If published in Gangan, even One Piece would be better.

>>148996219
>>148996094
The weak point of this is that it's transparent the arcs are just an excuse to tell a particular type of story and as a result the world building is nonsensical.

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>>148996262

>>148996262
Agreed, Gon is clearly a deconstruction of the shonen MC because unlike other happy go luck MCs he gets filled with rage because of his friends and beats his opponents.

Togashi is a genius

>>148994751
>but but my opinion.
no one cares

>>148996284
One Piece lacks intellectual characters like Gon and Kurapika

>>148994751
points for actually being finished and not on endless hiatus

>>148996262
>Gon was your usual shonen archetype until he sees that shit gets real and he shows another side to him
yeah, and all the consequences are deleted immediately after

>>148996258
Sub-140 IQ plebs leave my /a/

>>148994751

Naturally, it actually has an ending and the MC isn't a raging retarded faggot.

>>148996306
At least Togashi goes from fantasy setting to gritty setting to fantasy setting to gritty setting, unlike FMA which is stupid military shit. Also, Edward doesn't have as much depth as Gon did. Gon has more character complexity, because Togashi intentionally made Hxh a very intellectual shonen

>>148996349
>Gay Goku
>Blonde Kurama
>intellectual

>>148996379
>yeah and all the consequences are deleted immediately after

What about in FMA how Alphonse got his body back?

Am I the only one who didn't like FMA? I saw Brotherhood and I just couldn't stand it I dropped it in less than 10 episodes is it the show or am I a dumdum?

>>148996379
But Gon is a more deep character because he gets mad and kills his oponents when someone harms his friends.

When did Ed get mad and killed his oponents? He didn't right? Because he's a generic shonen MC.

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>>148996425
>intellectual shonen

>>148995920
>The change in Gon was more drastic than anything that happened to Edward,
>more drastic

What a load of bullshit. You HxHfags are literal cancer. Gon lost a friend of his father who he barely knew. Ed defiled his mother's soul and body; maiming himself and killing his brother in the process.

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>>148994751

>>148996465
Brotherhood starts real rough because it's trying to get through the parts that were the same in '03 really quickly. This leads to all the dumb comedy being really close together.

I mean, it's never not a fighting shounen, even afterwards. But the pacing gets much better.

>>148996476
>>148996450
>/a/ can't handle intellectual thought provoking series like HxH

go back to sword online art

>>148996468
killing oponents is to be deep? you're the kind of fan who thinks death note is seinen, right?

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>>148996457
>like 10 years without a body since you were a little kid
>can't eat, sleep, wonder if you were actually just an armor and never human
>people get killed inside your fucking body
>get your body(that by the way is at the verge of dying and your growth along with your brother's has been halted for years) back in exchange for your brother's knowledge
>immediately after
>no consequences

>>148996525
I don't know I just hated everything about it. I thought the art was ugly, the comedy was dumb, and the fights weren't all that great from what I saw.
What changes later on?

>>148996465
Read the manga or fuck off

>>148996542
You simply can't understand a series as deep as HxH or Togashi's mind, I guess you'll grow up eventually and realize how he deconstructs the entire genre.

What a huge fucking bait thread

/a/ used to be better than this

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>>148996565
The comedy goes mostly away and the fights start to become really good-looking.

>>148996565
>>148996563
>>148996542
I think u guys misunderstand Gon's character. It has layer and layers and you might not get it at first. It's a lot more intellectual than your average show. Togashi put in a lot of details

>>148996565
Nice bait

>>148996611
>fights
FMA is not a battle manga. And stop replying to bait, fucktard.

>>148996219
>It's more intellectual than your usual show

kek, why do you guys always say this. Do you even know what you're saying? Just because HxH has drawn out overly complicated explanations for every goddamn battle does not make it 'intellectual' If anything it's got some of the worst exposition of any shonen. It gets downright insulting during the Chimera Ant arc at times. Togashi assumes his readers are complete mouth breathing morons and need their hands held through every encounter in the manga. I think he's the type of mangaka who would be better off writing sports or boardgame series. Instead of action shonen. Back when he was writing Yu Yu Hakusho he did a much better job and I assume that was largely due to the editors reigning him in.

>>148996605
HxH is just a Dragon Ball with traps.

>>148996631
the last third of FMA is just a series of battles

i'd call that a battle manga

>>148996635
>Togashi assumes his readers are complete mouth breathing morons and need their hands held through every encounter in the manga.

To be fair: It's in Weekly Jump. So he's probably right about that.

>>148996631
Sometimes I remember how fucking retarded /a/ is
>Everything disagrees with me is bait
I'm not even saying it's shitty I was just pointing out what I didn't like and asking if it ever changes later on

>>148996635
>>148996638
It's all right, you simply are not old enough to understand a masterpiece that deconstructs the shonen genre.

For example Killua who was an assassin becoming a good person because of Gon who is nice and cheerful.
Or Gon who stops being nice and cheerful because his friends die and he gets mad and kills his oponents.

These deconstructions are so well done, no other manga has it

>>148996638
>HxH is just a Dragon Ball

Show me Goku showing another side to him and transforming because his friend died. Show me Vegeta actually seeing emotion toward his dead clan like Kurapika. Show me Picollo having character development as much as Leorio

>>148996718
you're getting kind of obvious now, master baiter

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Dragon Ball is 10 times better than any other shounen series

>>148996753
>everything is bait

This is my last reply to you, make sure to watch hunter x hunter when you have at least 100 anime finished and you're old enough to realize the amazing deconstructions Togashi does.

Edward has no character development, Gon does

>>148994751
>>>/r/edit

>>148996343
heh, first day in 4chan kid? Remember, over here opinion is the only thing that matters. When the anonymous you're arguing with goes on with his day, your presence will flourish his thoughts constantly as "anonymous no.148996343 that liked boku no pico" for the rest of his day.

>>148996807
Mexican's please leave.

>>148996808
>amazing deconstructions

hey have u heard of this great site called tvtropes, they have a forum
u might like it

>>148996807
see >>148996738

>>148996262

>Show me Naruto transforming because his friend and beating the enemy with wrath

That's damn near every nine tails appearance.

>>148996829
Agreed, Gon changes so much. The Chimera ant arc is masterfully done and ends with Gon transforming to fight the one that killed his friend.

Meanwhile Ed starts as a brat but gets more serious over the course of the series and gives up his powers in the end and becomes lame.

>>148996843
Not Saint Saiya, weak Mexican if any.

>>148996718
>For example Killua who was an assassin becoming a good person because of Gon who is nice and cheerful.
Like Aoshi Shinomori and Kenshin?
>Or Gon who stops being nice and cheerful because his friends die and he gets mad and kills his oponents.
Like Gohan?
>>148996738
>Show me Goku showing another side to him and transforming because his friend died.
Like when Freeza killed Krillin?
>Show me Vegeta actually seeing emotion toward his dead clan like Kurapika.
Like when he cried after Freeza hit him?
>Show me Picollo having character development as much as Leorio
Like when he, the king of demons, sacrificed himself for a human child?

I'm enjoying the bait.

>>148996931
I ask you to delete this right now

>>148996718

I mean, I know you have been trolling this thread non-stop. Yet, I know people who actually believe this shit. It's gone from funny to concerning to be honest.

There's a lot of great things about HxH but to claim it's this spectacular revolutionary series that transcends all shonen is ridiculous. If anything that just tells me how new a person is to anime/manga that they would think that.

>>148994751
According to my calculations, it's only 1.46 times better.

>>148994751
I put them on equal planes.

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>>148997087
According to mine, it's only 1.3% better

>>148997200
I respect your baiting skills, have my proudest (You).

>>148997087
>>148997113
>>148997200
>>148997244
How is Steins Gate compared to Hunter x Hunter? Is its MC as good as Gon? Does it deconstruct elements as good as intellectually as hxh?

>>148997298
Steins Gate is not a deconstruction, it's an extrusion. And HxH is a thinly veiled social satire.

>>148997298
Would you shut the fuck up already only retards reply to your trash-tier baits

>>148997363
>is not a deconstruction

Then who cares

>>148997200
Not that it matters, but why is Gintama on there twice?

>>148997390
>only retards reply to your trash-tier baits
>replies to the trash-tier bait like a retard

Is this...what downs syndrome is?

>>148997391
I know, right?
Madoka, Fate:Zero, Psycho Pass, Saya No Uta and K-On are my top 5 animes and they are all deconstructions. Coincidence? I think not.

>>148997507
I'm not replying to your bait I'm telling you to shut your whore mouth

>>148997542
The only true deconstruction animes:

1. Hunter x Hunter (because Gon has multiple sides and not just happy all the time)

2. RE: Zero (main character is opposite of what most are)

3. Jojo's Bizzare Adventure (instead of moe girls they choose manly men)

>>148997469
It's just that good.

>>148997728
>2. RE: Zero (main character is opposite of what most are)
subversion, then, not a deconstruction

Why do hxhfags and jojofags shit on every other shonen but jerk off to their shonen and pretend it doesn't do the same fucking shit your average shonen does

>>148997800
Because Legend of the Galactic Heroes deconstructs the entire anime genre

>>148997837
LoGH is overrated.

>>148997959
The phrase "delete this" has been thrown around commonly these days.

But I ask you sir, that you remove this post now.

>>148997728

JoJo was about manly men in the times where it was popular to make it about buff dudes being buff.

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>>148997982
No

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>>148994751
Nobody cares ! Gintama is the best shonen anyway

>>148998263
Unless Gintama is as intellectual as HxH you can fuck right off

My favorite part about HxH the manga is that it deconstructs art

>>148997507
>only retards reply to your trash-tier baits
>replies to the trash-tier bait like a retard
> replying to reply on trash tier bait like a retart

Is that what Asperger syndrome feel like?

>>148998679
>only retards reply to replies to your trash-tier baits
>replies to the reply to the reply to the trash-tier bait like a retard
>replying to reply to reply to reply on trash tier bait like a retart (not retard, retart)

Is this what brain cancer is?

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Only one of these is intellectual

>>148995911
re zero is good

>>148994751
10 times 0 is still 0 pal ;w;

>>148999614
It's alright, not everyone is intellectual enough to fully appreciate hxh.

>>148998982
yes and its one piece

>>148998982
You say that like it's an absolute criterion

>>148996504
>My character suffered more from an objective perspective than yours dead therefore he was better developed
>Implying character development revolves around the cause and not the effect it has on the character
I really don't care for HxH or FMA but the fact that you and the FMA fanbase equate suffrage to character development proves the series is cancer

>>148994751

The anime? Yes.

The manga? No.

>>148999936
I think he meant that Ed had more of a reason to change because his situation was more extreme. But either way Steins Gate is literal cancer

>>148996379
Yeah the who make a wish foundation character was pretty dumb but he did still lose all of his Nen

>>148996262
>Shonen archetype
>Playful character always optimistic
>Then bad thing happens and suddenly they're S E R I O U S
Did you mean that shonen archetype? Gon is the same as the others just to the extreme.

Hunter x Hunter may be better than most shounen, but it's still a shounen.

That's not setting the bar very high

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>>149000189
>>149000150
>>149000209
I'm guessing you never heard of THIS intellectual anime.

>>148998982
Dr. Slump, right?

>>148996262
>Show me Naruto transforming because his friend and beating the enemy with wrath, showing another side to him
You mean like when Pain OHKO'd Hinata causing Naruto to go berserk?

>>149000150
I understand the idea behind what he's saying

But a character's breaking point should be unique, it's not just the gravity of the event but the character's reaction

>>149000304
You need to watch more intellectual anime

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All this talk about deconstructions and intellectual anime, and nobody mentions the smartest anime of all time?

>>149000663
But chum, it's even got doctor in the title! How much more intellectual can you get?

>>148997800
Because fags think that having plot twist automatically means its a 'deconstruction of shonen tropes' and therefore is a cut above the rest.

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>>149000786
Name a more intellectual series than this.

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>>149001120
TOO EASY

>>149001120
Pupa

>>149001172
>intellectual
>one of the characters on the cover has literal derp face

>>149001190
its a deconstruction

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>>149001120

>>148996537
you are a pretentious moron
it's amazing how stupid a single person can be

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>>149001214
>>149001269
>>149001283
Fine. Here's the real most intellectual anime of all time.

>>148994751
Manga: FMA > HxH
Anime: FMAB < HxH('11)

Don't really care which one is better, they're LEAGUES above other popular Battle Shonen

>>149001406
Stay delusional. Your shit is just as shitty as other shit, if not more.

>>149001406
um excuse me have you heard of a little show called ONE PUNCH MAN

>>148995821
b8

>>149001509
>OPM
>Shonen
>Better than FMA and HxH

OPM is not even better than BnHA.

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>>149001406
You never watched the best battle shonen Kaiji have you

>>148995880
>Hxh has better characters and story
Characters yes (if you don't include villains like hisoka who have no motivation and are just evil to be evil) but the story of HxH is just inconsistent and wildly varying between arcs. It's pretty obvious togashi just wrote whatever he thought would be interesting and didn't have an end goal in mind. I mean the end goal of the show was implied to be gon metting ging but that happened in the most anti-climactic way ever and it wasn't even close to being the end of the show. The only arcs that really compare to FMA:B quality are yorknew and second half of chimera ant. FMA:B had an issue with fast pacing in the first couple arcs but HxH had consistently painstakingly slow pacing through a lot of their arcs. It's especially noticeable when you have to sit through the worst arcs like Greed Island that everything moves far too slow for an action show. It almost has dragonball levels of cliffhangers between episodes.

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>>149001406
What? If anything it's the other way around. Both FMA anime are much better animated and have stronger soundtracks etc than HxH 2011, while Togashi's page composition even in early HxH shits on anything Arakawa has put out.

>>149001791
I wouldn't really consider HxH an action show, and the anti climaxes are a good thing.

>>148994751
At least FMA is completed compared to HxH.

>>149001791
Motivations don't make good villains. Good villains are entertaining, like Hisoka or Dio.

>>149002133
When I say motivations, I mean the reason why they became evil in the first place. Like Dio is still not the best example, but he's way better than hisoka because at least his evilness is inherited from his dad, and he just became a bitter bad guy. It's never explained why Hisoka is bad, he's just evil because the story required him to be evil.

>>149002133
Calling Hisoka a "villain" is reductive in any case, if you take a second to analyze his roles in both Greed Island and the current arc.

>>149002049
Hunter X Hunter is pretty much an action show, I wouldn't really call it adventure or anything else. Unless the new arc is something completely different. HxH had way more battles than FMA and they're all dragged on way longer too. I don't remember Ed and Al yelling shonenbattle attack names. And there's a whole aura thing that most shounen have too. Most arcs in HxH are fighting or centered around people fighting. In the exam arc, it was a lot more interesting. Even in the election arc, there were battles.
Togashi treats his readers like infants a lot of times too. I think people aren't used to shounen changing settings after each arc in the same way HxH does, and having the main character go berserk (because they haven't watched anime).

>>149002133
The only problem with "entertaining" is you can literally say anyone is entertaining. Good villains are both entertaining and interesting. Kahran Ramsus from Xenogears who is fleshed out to hell and has good motivations, an actual complex character still isn't a great villain to me. Simply because he's boring as fuck. Dragonball GT villains are so stupid that the stupidity will amuse me for a while, but I don't stay interested. Mama said I a boom on the rug. I was abused by mom when I was young.

>>149002447
>HxH had way more battles than FMA
No it didn't. The final third of FMA is almost entirely taken up by fights, HxH never goes to that level of shounen campiness.
>And there's a whole aura thing that most shounen have too
Nen is set up as something antithetical to traditional shounen fights
>Most arcs in HxH are fighting or centered around people fighting
What?
>Even in the election arc, there were battles
There was one fight.
>Togashi treats his readers like infants a lot of times too
Quite the opposite, HxH has the most complex-subject matter and vocabulary in shounen.
> I think people aren't used to shounen changing settings after each arc in the same way HxH does
Because no good shounen with as much variation as HxH exists
>and having the main character go berserk
If you think Gon's arc is hailed for something as superficial and common as "going berserk", you should re-read Chimera Ant and be more attentive this time around.

>The only problem with "entertaining" is you can literally say anyone is entertaining. Good villains are both entertaining and interesting
Complex =/= well written. Hisoka's place in the overall narrative, the ways he interacts with characters and the directions he drives the plot make him well written. And his arc is just getting started, read the manga.

The Greed (and co.) Vs. Wrath fights > HxH as a whole

>>149002825
>HxH never goes to that level of shounen campiness

HxH literally had a tournament arc. Literally. And they yell attack names. And they have aura (chakra/ki/haki,etc.). Gon can shoot energy blasts. It's very similar to a lot of other shonen manga (its on shounen jump for a reason). This is not a bad thing though. There's nothing wrong with shounen battles, they're entertaining. I don't know why Hxhfags see this as a detriment to the series.

>antithetical to traditional shounen fights

....by doing the same things as other fights. I also thought the concept was cool. Until I saw what their powers actually were, which is energy sword/energy blast/energy punch/lightning/same shit as other shounen. And that the battles aren't really all that strategic, I can remember Gon vs Bomber where nen played a factor, in which limbs he can save or something. But overall the battles aren't really all that better than your generic battle from any other anime. Also I love how anyone at anytime can just pay the price and be stronger than the enemy, but Gon is the main character so of course the consequences get negated in the next arc.

>what?
Every arc has a lot of fighting. Traditional shounen fighting. Just because there are long monologues doesn't mean they're not. Don't be pretentious.

>There was one fight
My bad. I remember some dumb shit with their car getting destroyed, Ging getting punched. It was just Hisoka in one boring uninteresting fight.

>complex subject matter and vocabulary
Not really. One Piece has more complex subject matter and vocab. The fishmen explanation was more unexpected than anything in Hxh to be frank.

>because no good shounen with as much variation
Jojo had more variety of settings I'm pretty sure.

>superficial
But it is. He thought his friend died, like Goku and Naruto. He gets mad and transforms, like Goku and Naruto. Then wins and gets healed via asspull.

>Hisoka
Most one piece characters are like him and I wouldn't call them complex

>>149002825
>(character limit)
What I meant by the Hisoka thing was it's common for some characters to align with different people. That doesn't mean those characters are deep complex characters. Kahran Ramsus is way more fleshed out than any HxH villain, has better motivations, and have done more major things that affected the story. But like I said, I really don't like him too much. There are other variables to writing other than just the character itself.

>>149003061
While I don't worship FMA or HxH, I think the fights in FMA are too different to compare. HxH takes on the traditional battle manga format of characters having specific attacks and them yelling out the attack names. FMA characters do have abilities, but their fights are more grounded to reality (compared to other shounen anyways). Like military gunfights, slugfests, there's not much aura shit.

>>149002083
Even so, I wouldn't put FMA way above HxH. I would say they're on par with each other but FMA slightly above.

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>>149006227
I thought he was so fat that he couldn't move. Togashi you lying piece of shit

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>>149006227
https://twitter.com/triplephenia/status/789314295670591492

Proportions thread?
Rurouni Kenshin is 10 times better than FMA.

>>149006227
Based Toggod

>>149006551
Trust and Betrayal OVA? Yeah, sure. The manga? No

FMA 03 > Manga >> Brotherhood > Milos

D. Gray Man is better than both

>>149001791
>if you don't include villains like hisoka who have no motivation and are just evil to be evil

That describes almost every villain in FMA: B. FMA 2003 I can compare to HxH, but not Brotherhood.

And literally the best thing that people say about FMAB's story here is that its over. When people comment on Chimera Ant its in regard to its themes and how it subverted expectations, in addition to the quality of the characters involved. FMAB's story is painfully linear and predictable; there are seven enemies and the heroes gradually work there way through each at them via one on one duels. That sounds like an excuse plot to a video game.

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>>148997996
Miss those times

Dungeon Seeker predates all of the shit mangas above.

>>149008158
And all people can say about HxH is "BUT CHIMERA ANT ARC!!!!!" over and over again.

I mean, that arc alone is as long as FMAB. But HxH also has 88 other episodes.

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Killua is cute!

>>149006227
glad to see him healthy and happy

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>>148998982
I'd wager you're talking about Bobobo-bo Bo-Bobo, right?

>>149008158
Unpopular opinion:

If it weren't for Nazis, FMA03 would've been a better story than FMABH.

HxH/Togashifags are the worst.

>>149003264
>There's nothing wrong with shounen battles, they're entertaining. I don't know why Hxhfags see this as a detriment to the series.
THIS

It's like people who do not like blockbusters.