Anime is Worth $18.1 Billion According to a Japanese Study

>disc sales go down
>worth goes up

really makes you think

>>148700874
well every other industry is worth trillions, ten billion is a very small figure

>>148700874
That's not much really. I'm pretty sure Disney alone makes more.

>>148700900
Most of the best sellers ever have been released in the last decade alone.

Do we have an updated version of this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJU-srGCCrU

Thanks, internet piracy! I knew you could do it!

>>148700914
Disney alone has probably more employees than people working in the anime industry. They also spend more and have more reach.

>>148700954
Well, it's not like they really give a shit about the overseas market. Up until the last the last decade it was like pulling teeth getting anything out of Japan.

>>148700973
I'm just saying the numbers in context aren't indicative of a healthy industry; but anime isn't really designed for export so it's not an apples to apples comparison.

>>148700874

How much of that is just tied up in the big production companies holdings

>>148700945
>2006-2008
KyoAni domination

>>148700954
It's actually the foreign market, China probably. It's literally in the image you baka.

>>148700900
I want /a/ to understand that disc sales aren't the only important thing.

>>148700979
>Well, it's not like they really give a shit about the overseas market.
>image shows the exact opposite
This board, I swear.

>>148700874
And now you know why the government left in exceptions for child lewdness in anime.

>>148700945
You can tell the EXACT MOMENT the industry started becoming shit.

Lucky Star

To bad it's basically bought out by interest groups that don't give a shit about the actual animation and show running process and is all but creatively bankrupt and anyone that shows any sort of creative or influential spark will just get hired away by Sony or Toho or something immediately to work on some piece of crap cash grab thing

>>148700874
>The increase in profits is credited to Chinese streaming rights, live music events, pachinko, and merchandising.

>pachinko
Why is this even a thing? Absolutely disgusting.

>>148700922

Event tickets and benefits crap has mainly been this decade alone.

>>148701166
Shut up and play along, dammit!

No matter how much revenue the industry makes or what recognition it gets in mainstream media or how many enjoyable shows there are of each genre every season, people will still find ways to complain like they're above it all.

>>148701255

Because anime is basically more about things like who can run the biggest events with the most popular people and/or ones with the most fanatical fans and get them in their shows and finding ways to make money with tie-in mobile games and merchandise. The fact that there's a show is practically a secondary concern and if you get an even remotely competent story out of it well that's just kind of a nice bonus. Personally I think that production committees deliberately hold back from having woven stories anymore because it'd interfere too much with letting the fans and the fanart dictate the canon which is part of playing into obsessive fan groups.

>>148701194
The Japanese have always cared more about their own needs and desires more than any other market. They generally don't make things for overseas consumption; they make it for themselves and people might happen to like it enough for export.

I'm going to compare this with Disney who practically shoves their merchandise and entertainment down your throat no matter where you live.

>>148700906
It's in USD. The image shows 1.8 trillion yen

>>148700874
translate it weebs.

From the picture I can get that the traditional incomes (from TV series= pink, at the bottom, up to the red part) reached the peak of 2006, and on top of it they got orange = foreign streaming rights? and light blue = live entertainment?

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74,266 Love Live! Sunshine !!
16,278 B-PROJECT-beating * Ambitious ~
* 6,804 Mobusaiko 100
* 6,452 NEW GAME!
* 6,285 handsome high school Earth Defense part LOVE! LOVE! 1
* 6,163 Tsukiuta. ANIMATION THE
* 5,091 SERVAMP - Savanpu -
* 4,805 delivery version of "planetarian ~ small star of the dream -"
* 4,537 Masou Gakuen × H H
* 3,676 Fate / Kaleid Liner Prisma Ilya dry !!
* 3,671 Dangan refute 3 The End of hope months Mine school
* 3.150 Arslan Senki blowing sand dancing
* 2,421 disgruntled Mononoke hermitage
* 2,556 Amanchu!
* 2,096 Rewrite
* 2,053 Thunderbolt Fantasy HigashiHanare劍遊Osamu
* 1,638 Aktiv raid - Mobile assault room eighth engagement -2Nd *
1,634 battery
* 1,536 Kuoridia - code
* 1,478 in the art section there is a problem!
* 1,258 first love monster
**, 929 sweet people and lightning
**, 858 Shoku戟of Soma弐Nosara
**, 671 Chia boys !!
**, 442 ReLIFE
**, 418 magical girl? Naria girl
**, 376 solder-kun
**, 368 taboo Tattoo
**, 292 Aruderamin of screw winding spirits Senki heaven mirror
**, 224 Orange
**, *** SHOW BY ROCK !! cane ~ and !! (※ album rankings Total: 6,758)
**, *** Momokuri
**, *** rot men's high school life
**, *** OZMAFIA !!

Better get used to this sort of thing with idol stuff and fujoshi stuff just all at the top both in terms of disc sales and merchandise and everything else just kind of being held off barely above the break even line for a franchise at best. It's a new era of live events dictating what gets to make money and get made and a lot of that revolves around obsessive fan groups like idol fans and fujos. What does this contribute towards making anime particularly interesting to watch and not inviting even more toxic people into the mix than years of LN and Eroge pandering did and catering disproportionately to them? Absolutely nothing.

>>148700874
Anime is dead
Merchandise/plastic crap though is way too alive

>>148701339
Nailed it.

>>148700874
Its the merch sales that have sky rocketed. Figs, etc.

>>148701339
Isn't this the setting for that new show airing this season, Girlish Number?

>>148702701
>>148702831
Merch exists because the shows, novels and manga exists. Even if profits drifted entirely to merch at some point, they'd keep making the shows to sell the merch.

>>148700874
The fuck? How come China is a significant chunk of overseas sales? Don't those chink hate them, and I'm pretty sure they are worse pirate than the west.

Maybe Taiwan, HK and other civilized part of China, but surely that stats doesn't include the mainland.

>>148700874
>in 2004 video game industry was worth only $10.3 billion
>in 2016 video game industry is now worth $99.6 billion
Can anime even compare?

>>148703054
Duh.
Thats not the point.

>>148703201
What point where they trying to make then?

>>148703215
Merch drives everything
Anime does not matter
Quality suffers
Anime is dead

>>148703166
Chinks are jelly, there's ton of "Chinese" anime and even an unofficial LoL anime

>>148701255
>>148701285
>>148701339
>>148702701
>>148702831
>>148703230
That is why videogames are the Neo patricians medium of choice. Holly wood and anime rely too much on merchandise, the new Starwars toy line made several times more money than the episode 7. Videogames have to rely on the actual games themselves. Not to mention it takes thousands of people to make a single movie(just look at those credits where they say this movie have 5 thousand people jobs) while video games need about less than a thousand with indie teams working with less than 50

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>>148700874

For comparison, entire Hollywood combined revenue in 2015 was 38 billion $.

Anime is worth almost half as much as Hollywood.

What a niche and dying industry.

That's why number of 1 core and original shows are on rise and sequels are dying out.

>>148702701

Disc sales go down because of internet and piracy. It's normal. It happens all around the world.

12% growth for the industry is fucking crazy.

>>148703372
You mean 380 billion $?

>>148703390
There really aren't much more original shows.

>>148703372
isn't the porn industry worth more than hollywood too?

>>148703425

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/global-2015-box-office-revenue-851749

>>148703372
Anime industry includes merchandise
>>148703616
That's just raw box office. Movies like marvel and Disney make several times more money from merchandise.

>>148703616
That's just box office revinue.
And what about TV series?

>>148703372
Yeah include the merchandise into Hollywood too since that's what anime industry has too.

>>148703173
what happened to 'gamers' should be avoided at all costs. what a joke.

>>148700874
How many more jews will it attract? This must be like chumming the water.

>>148703765
ideally industry should stay between in the low billions, small enough to be comfy and not attract the wrong people both in the production and consumption sides but big enough to have good and interesting thing come out from time to time.

>>148703708
TV series are different and have had the same amount of viewership since forever. Frankly tv series aren't the main money makers and have less views than movies.
The tv industry(including news and sports shows) is bigger than music, videogames and movies combined since TV is very easy to monetize due to ads

>>148703316
>Neo patricians medium
Shitposting aside at least videogames have tons of variety.
There are braindead AAA and phone games for idiots, porn games to kill your dick and also plenty of niche japanese good stuff.

>disk sales down
>merch sales and pachinko way up
>chink influence up

This is NOT a good thing

>>148703230
If they make a shitty anime nobody is going to buy the merchandise. The anime comes first, the merchandise follows.

>>148703454
The number of original shows has been rising for years.

>>148704042
>If they make a shitty anime nobody is going to buy the merchandise

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>148704042
>If they make a shitty anime nobody is going to buy the merchandise
Back to /V/

>>148704052
>>148704087
Why would you buy merchandise for an an anime you didn't like? And why do you think popular shows have so much more merchandise than unpopular shows?

>>148703372
>hollywood
>only $38 billion
you're a fucking retard

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>>148703671
>Movies like marvel and Disney make several times more money from merchandise.

No.

Also, while Hollywood revenue is very high those movies are also insanely expensive to make.

>>148704109
because at least the girls are hot

>>148704109
That has nothing to do with anime being good.
Love live moves the most merch and its nothing but trash.
Capacity of merch moving is determined by factors that have nothing to do with anime being good such as marketeability of archetype characters or simple scenarios

>>148704132
By anime I mean also the characters in it.

>>148704150
Your opinion on Love Live is irrelevant.

>>148704162
You are a fucking idiot stop wasting my time.

>>148703671

Marvel brands belong to Disney. Actually, almost all movies that made a lot of profit belong to Disney now.

And Disney's 2015 revenue was 13 billion $.

>>148704175
What makes you think your opinion on Love Live is relevant?

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>>148704162
A shows girl's can be godawful and still pretty hot.

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>>148704150

LL is a great show that also rapes disc sales records every season.

You are a fucking retard. Nobody gives a fuck what you think is good.

>>148704222
Good job ignoring the rest of the post LL retard
Go choke on your garbage

>>148704215
Yeah whatever. The bottomline is that people need to like your show before they buy merchandise for it.

>>148704222
Love live is objectively fucking shit.
Kill yourself.

>>148704222
Kill yourself

>>148704260
>>148704266
Your opinions are objectively irrelevant.

>>148704222
love live is garbage though

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>>148704242
>>148704260
>>148704266

I sure love triggered normalshits.

LL literally won the industry. Sunshine sold more than all other shows in it's season combined.

Better go find another hobby.

>>148704301
GARBAGE

>>148704222
>LL is a great show
Fuck off

Anime industry will surpass manga industry on next two years. God bless China.

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>>148704242
>>148704260
>>148704266
>>148704296

Go away /v/. Nobody cares about your manime.

>>148704301
>Nichijou shit is a fan of Love Live
Who would've thought shit shows attract the same userbase huh

>>148704222
>anime is shit because things I happened to like doesn't sell

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You guys will embrace the Idol life one day.

Anime has been about selling merchandise for over 40 years now and not purely disk sales, stupid /v/ermin.

>>148704360
Sorry, wrong quote.
Should have quoted the retard.

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>>148704360

What if I like Love Live, GuP and Madoka?

>>148704372
Most idolshit sucks, though.

>>148704358
Nichijou is based

>>148703054

And those shows will probably be shit

>>148703316

Video game scene has it's own problems but fuck me it's doing a lot better than anime even where the Japanese sector is concerned and even though both are being co-opted by the mobile gaming craze.

>>148703994

No it kind of isn't though not many people seem to realize or understand why. I don't really see how Chinese people make a difference but the live event and pachinko thing is a potential game changer I saw coming years ago. Merchandise is just a byproduct of any form of media but live event and pachinko money is oddly specific for something like core anime industry revenue and has the potential to really drag trends in a particular and almost assuredly bad direction unless your really into an even seedier layer of wish fulfillment fantasy of a non-animated kind and gambling culture. I don't see how this is a picture of industry health so much as the industry avoided a decline in revenue as a result of tertiary sectors unexpected growth. Basically the anime industry is being kept afloat by the rapid growth of it's sectors that have literally the least to do with animation itself.

In terms of variety of genres, quantity produced, average animation quality, and revenue, anime has never been better.

Love Live not only saving anime but causing it to grow and nobody appreciates it.

>>148704475
debased

>>148704546
Love Live is destroying anime by causing it to grow.

>>148704042

They'll buy the shitty event ticket to see the shitty idol group with the wish fulfillment girl even if the anime is actually a slide show making more money than an anime that actually bothers to have quality animation content and is actually about something. Seriously fucking guarantee you could have a five minute still show of some pretty idol group throw in a concert event ticket and if there's no other show like that that season that's your top grossing franchise no questions.

Also yes people will buy merchandise from a trash show if they just like the design of a character, that's kind of how this shit works and many shows are designed with that being the major focus.

>>148704586

You probably like shit like Space Dandy.

>>148704628
meh show
You're acting as if better than ll is somehow an achievement.

>>148704109

High School Fleet has more merchandise than just about anything in it's first year of existence and is barely above average popular. Sometimes production committees are just stupid and overestimate somethings popularity potential ahead of time. Hell Aniplex does it virtually every season with most of their originals.

>>148704628
I didn't got around to watching it, but I probably would. LL still sucks tho.

>>148700874
KyoAni finds a way.

Also, Thank You, Yamakan, for saving Anime!

>>148704551
lol Nichijou has better art and animation than 90% anime

>>148704454

I can't say I'm looking forward to the upcoming Yasuhi Akimoto (AKB48) x Aniplex totally not Love Live 2D/3D team up with currently popular character designers thing. Just when I thought Aniplex couldn't possibly invite more cancer into the industry or be any more blatantly money grubbing.

>>148704608
>They'll buy the shitty event ticket to see the shitty idol group with the wish fulfillment girl even if the anime is actually a slide show making more money than an anime that actually bothers to have quality animation content and is actually about something.
You need to stop confusing your fantasies with the real world.

>Also yes people will buy merchandise from a trash show if they just like the design of a character
Yes you will get some sales but that's worlds apart from something like GuP or Madoka. There's no incentive for anyone to make a bad show, and the more the show sucks and the less people like it the less there's going to be merchandise for it and the less people will buy it.

>that's kind of how this shit works and many shows are designed with that being the major focus.
You mean creators want to have good, appealing character designs? Oh, the horror.

>>148704657
But like you said, that was just the committee betting on the show being big.

>>148704608
>Also yes people will buy merchandise from a trash show if they just like the design of a character, that's kind of how this shit works and many shows are designed with that being the major focus.
It has always been same with late night anime. They survive on merchandise profit.

>>148704586

It's when things start to copy a trend setter too much that things tend to go to shit. Japan in general is bad for this

>>148704786
>copy a trend setter too much that things tend to go to shit
What is idolshit
What are time resets
What is trapped in a game

Anime was a mistake. Industry needs to burn.

>>148704723
I actually just saw this a bit ago, I hate how there is no deviation in idolshit.

Anime is creatively-speaking dead.

>>148704812
Have you tried not watching things that don't interest you? And why are you even dismissing shows based on such vague criteria?

>>148704827
Because it's not exactly like your childhood memories of Dragon Ball Z?

It makes me sad that anime is dead.
I'd kill for another Lodoss desu

>>148704825

It's especially noticeable with the male idol ones. There's really not many places where idol stuff can go as anime outside of maybe the Satelight stuff which means it basically only exists to make money through other means. If they didn't pack in concert event tickets or exclusive CD singles I doubt they'd sell any BD volumes at all. It's such an easy way to make money in so many ways right down to mobile games is why we're getting such a flood of it now.

>>148704854
Not that guy but
>make a point about anime lacking creativity
>"Waah shounenshitter nostalgiafag!"

This happens way too often, what the fuck

>>148704917
Try watching some anime for once instead of just dismissing it based on the promo art and you'll see that there's plenty of creativity.

>>148704886
>anime is dead because it doesn't conform to my incredibly specific preferences derived from my childhood

>>148704917
Because it's always some kind of narrow-minded nostalgiafaggotry combined with near-total ignorance of the anime landscape of today.

>>148704911
Starmyu was my last attempt at watching the male idol shows. Unless there is something that makes it incredibly different (example Yuri on Ice) I'm just avoiding fujoshit and idolshit.

>>148704827
Because it does not caters to your normalfag tastes?can you die already?

>>148704955

Anime as anything other than a purely commercial medium is all but dead because it can only make money through a few specific means. It's practically just kind of there and then makes money because it's major investors happen to be music companies.

>>148703832

Too late

>>148705123
Anime has always been commercial. Money has always been a concern. Tezuka had to take orders from the American licensor of Astro Boy and Kimba because he was so broke and they had money, and he also used character licensing. Gundam was sponsored by a toy company.

If you can't stand art and commerce being together then there's always YouTube flash animations. Just make sure the videos are unmonetized though.

>>148705123
>Anime as anything other than a purely commercial medium
Whats bad about professionalism and commercial?You may as well think that art is a actual thing and that quality is not purely perception from some majority.

>>148700874
I could buy anime.

>>148705305

But you won't.

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Who give a fuck if anime makes money in chinklands? West is all that matter, and anime in the west is objectively dead. Say thanks to fucking keyanus for killing anime for western audience. Enjoy you fucking love love every season or what else those gooks subhuman likes.

>>148705500
Thank you based KyoAni.

>>148705500
West has never mattered. Anime dying here would be great as threads would no longer be ruined by professional derailers (dubfags and marketers). Too bad that won't happen

>>148705536
>West has never mattered.
That's why all of non western orientated anime is so shit. Gooks have shit taste is not a meme, its true.

>the world consumes 9/10 of the anime
>yet only gives 1/10 of the money

>>148704718
Nichijou is also a comedy program that isn't funny.

lol

>>148704628
How is Space Dandy related to not wanting anime to grow? It was pretty well received in the west and attracted a lot of people to anime.

So how long before disney buy entire anime industry

>>148704729
I saw a guy in another thread saying that writers will deliberately keep the story lacking in substance so that their fanbases will have more to speculate on and fill in with their own OC.

>>148705500
Well then West should put some money on their beloved franchise.

>>148706004
subjective opinion

>>148706091
anime industry might buy Disney at this rate

>>148706117
>implying I'm not buying LWA once it airs

Anime is for fag

>>148706164
You and how many?

>>148705500
I hope too, yet hollywuck keep make anime adaptions

>>148706034
u dumbfuck, japan dont give a shit about what a westerner fans feels about their anime

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>>148700874
>that small share for streaming services
Piratefags won again!

>>148706196
Good you are back to /v/

>>148700874
when will it die?

What's kind of disappointing though is that anison isn't really that mainstream among non-anime fans: if you ask the average Japanese on the street if they've heard of a particular anison singer, chances are they've never heard of said artist.

>>148708347
lol that's true for all late night anime not just anison