How much value do you put into visual direction?

>>148685233
A lot. I'm a shaftfag.

>>148685233
did kyoani animate that naruto episode

None. I'm a Shaftfag.

I hate this meme.

>>148685277
Are you sure? You should rewatch Madoka before saying that.

>>148685233
I don't remember this looking this good

>>148685233
None, visual direction means nothing when the story is shit

>>148685307
>poorly directed QUALITYfest

What episode?

>>148685515
Since we're all directing autists here, why don't you explain exactly why it's badly directed. Even most Madoka-haters say the direction is the best thing about the show.

>>148685611
The art direction is the best thing about the show.

>>148685611
Obnoxious Shinbo-lite direction furthering the exploitation agenda and male gaze

>>148685233
just enough to still dislike Hyouka

>>148685233
wish someone would do something like this with planetes

>>148685264
They wish.

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>>148685277
Well Shaftfag, you're getting top notch visual direction one way or the other. 3-gatsu is airing this season.

>>148686746
It's been kinda hit and miss so far, in my opinion.

>>148687946
Kyoani murders shaft visually.

The fuck is even going on in shafts image here?

>>148685233
It's literally the only value anime has ever had. Nothing other aspect is ever good enough to be worth considering.

>>148688326
What?

>>148688372
It's not like the story, use of themes, characterizations, or expressions is ever as good as what comes from other mediums so why worry about it? You can rank them or compare them based on the visuals but other than that it just depends on what you're in the mood for.

>>148688490
Why are you just assuming anime can't do certain things? One could just as easily say anime can't do visuals.

>>148688544
I'm saying I've literally never seen it before. Tell me to watch more if you want but the stories are never as good in my opinion. I think Musashi is a perfect example. Read the manga and then read the actual book, the manga has nice artwork but butchers the story for no reason.

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I love this thread so fucking much. I get to see the pretty collages and studio fanboys go at it.

>>148685233
I was just about to make a thread what the fuck

>>148688735
Why are you talking about manga all of the sudden?

>>148686746
It's been quite weak so far to be honest, aniki.

>>148685611
>qualityfest
>good
Please educate yourself.

>>148685283
How is it a meme? These threads usually provide a decent level of discussion (aside from studio war shitflinging)

>>148685611
How do you judge if something is well-directed or not?

>>148688993
if it's by kyoani you can bet it's a damn good anime

>>148688972
No they don't. I have yet to see a single insightful analisys that goes beyond "good/bad composition" and bitching about digital effects.

>>148689086
>if it's by kyoani you can bet it's a damn good anime

haruhi is shit, free! is shit, kyoukai no kanata is shit, lucky star is shit, amagi brilliant park is shit, that chunni show is shit, phantom world is shit.

what is the truth anon

>>148689206
shaftshitter detected

>>148689107
Yes they do. You should pay more attention, squirrel.

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protip: pointlessly imitating the physical limitations of the camera is not good direction, it's just a transparent and idiotic attempt to align yourself with "cinema" as if you're some tasteless 15 year old that thinks that will make anime more "artistic". Ishihara a cancer.

>>148689272
prove it

>>148689235
I really liked hyouka, tamako market, k-on!!, and nichijou. Hibike is okay for me, dont really understand the hype and I plan on watching koe no katachi so congrats you played yourself by jumping to conclusions.

>>148689206
>haruhi is shit
???
>that chunni show is shit
S1 is good

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>>148688490
>>148688735
get better taste. anime excels in its character design and screenplays and in its healthy set of tropes. caring about story is for retards and children.

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>>148689338

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>>148689386
>>haruhi is shit
Couldn't stand Haruhi's character and the show was boring for me.

>>148689341
nice try shaftshitter

>>148689403
The only retarded child here seems to be you.

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>>148689496

>>148688867
It's the exact same problems in manga as in anime, so it serves as a good illustration of what I'm trying to say. Have you read Musashi?
>>148689403
I don't think some guy using his imagination to justify waifu's is going to convince me. I'm not trying to say the communities can't be creative and imaginative, but they just aren't as far as I can see apart from really cool animation.

>>148689814
No, I don't read a whole lot of manga.

>>148689341
>Hibike is okay for me, dont really understand the hype
I'm a huge KyoAni-fag and I kind of agree. Hibike's characters are pretty great but I just find it so boring.

>>148685233
None. I'm a Shaftfag.

>>148688815
Same. I've saved some good looking images from these threads.

>>148689892
>. Hibike's characters are pretty great but I just find it so boring.
Same. I love the designs, but everything is just so slow for me. Still gonna finish the second season though since I already started it.

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>>148689814
You just have bad taste. been enjoying IMDB's top 100 this last year? rakugo will probably blow your mind.

>>148689892
I prefer Eupho to Hyouka and Haruhi and most of their popular works but yeah, I can't help but agree. It's pretty rough around the edges. My favourite part is the voice acting behind Kumiko, it's sublime.

>>148690067
>he fell for the anime is good meme

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>>148690107
>I prefer Eupho to Hyouka and Haruhi

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>>148690227
Haruhi is a trashy LN adaptation and Hyouka is stupid, the fuck you gonna do tough guy?

>>148690118
good AND pure

>>148690264
>trashy LN adaptation
you're obviously too young to have watched it while it was airing

>>148690264
Haruhi is just a trashy LN in general.

>>148685233
I find OP to have boring visual direction, he makes the same post over and over again.

More self-plagiarizing than kajiura.

>>148685233
This new epic meme is boring

>>148685233
>not another pretentious KyoAni screenshot
Well, that's a nice surprise.

>>148690264
Hyouka is great, bozo.

>>148689086
12yo-tier bloom and blur abuse=/=good direction.

Now what exactly about Madoka is badly directed?

>>148690304
Even if I were, how would that prevent it from being what it is? Are you actually arguing that nostalgia is essential to "getting it"?

>>148690312
I haven't read it, wouldn't know.

>>148690357
Fuck mysteries, fuck 3/4 of the main characters. I think it's worth is wildly overstated.

>>148689272
Exactly. Remember John K.; if you're gonna limit your animation to live-action techniques, why not just film it? Why not take full advantage of the animated medium and its inherent elasticity?

>>148688209
You just don't get it m8. As expected of a KyoAni cuck.

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>>148690264
>0eN3IZu
Not like anyone actually needed any proof but you don't have to make it so obvious.

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>>148690413
Context, not nostalgia. haruhi wasn't trashy and it wasn't remotely uninspired as an adaptation. at the time, those tropes were not at all common and neither was LN adaptations in the first place. kyoani actually took real risks with haruhi, which they haven't done since lucky star. you've misinterpreted it, like a little baby. back to Ieddit.

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>>148690492
Oh shit he played the filename card, I'm fucked.

>>148690355
>pretentious

>>148685233

That arc was amazing but Kakuzu should've died from Hidan's ritual.

Having Naruto saving the day yet again ruined everything. It was Shikamaru's time to shine dammit.

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>>148690548

don't get me wrong but haruhi is trash

>>148690264
>It happened to me. And I'll never forget it. Back when I was in the sixth grade, my whole family went out to go watch a baseball game at the stadium. I didn't really care about baseball, but I was surprised by what I saw when we got there. Everywhere I looked, I saw people. On the other side of the stadium, the people looked so small, like little moving grains of rice. It was so crowded. I thought that everyone in Japan had to be packed in there. So I turned to my dad and asked him, "Do you know how many people are here right now"? He said since the stadium was full, probably fifty thousand. After the game, the street was filled with people and I was really shocked to see that, too. To me, it seemed like there was a ton of people there. But then, I realized it could only be a tiny fraction of all the people in Japan. When I got home, I pulled out my calculator. In social studies, I'd learned that the population of Japan was a hundred some odd million. So I divided that by fifty thousand. The answer was one two-thousandth. That shocked me even more. I was only one little person in that big crowded stadium filled with people, and believe me, there were so many people there, but it was just a handful of the entire population. Up till then, I always thought that I was, I don't know, kind of a special person. It was fun to be with my family. I had fun with my classmates. And the school that I was going to, it had just about the most interesting people anywhere. But that night, I realized it wasn't true. All the stuff we did during class that I thought was so fun and cool, was probably happening just like that in classes in other schools all over Japan. There was nothing special about my school at all. When I realized that, it suddenly felt like the whole world around me started to fade into a dull gray void.

>>148690728
correct me if I misinterpreted but did you just say haruhi is not trash?

>>148690756
Is this a line from Re:Zero?

>>148690793
Is this a sick retort I've already seen somewhere else?

>>148690681
>fan service is bad
go home newfag.

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>>148690858
I said Haruhi is trashy, not fanservice is bad.

>>148689272
We'll give a better method that can make commercially viable works?
Dreamworks and Pixar hire top tier cinematographers like Roger Deakins and visual advisors and it shows since their movies look far better than TV animation,

>>148690548
Nichijou and Hyouka were a billion times more ambitious than any pre-2010 Kyoani work in their storyboards and animation

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After Yuri on Ice! I think we can all agree that Yamamoto is a much better director than Yamada.

>>148691168
All heil our new queen!
she sucks

>>148691168
Koe no Katachi shits on it though.

Why is KyoAni's visual direction so much better than everyone else's?

>>148691168
what the fuck is this monster

>>148691240
no one else really cares like they do

>>148691240
Time and planning spent on project.
Good cinematography is really cheap, its mainly talent and good planning. It's why even great looking tv shows pale in comparison to the best looking movies. It's why great old movies still manage to look good

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>>148685233
hey this is actually pretty good my dude

>>148691240
Just digitally process my shit up.

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>>148691240
Ufotable are better in every way, pleb.

>>148691330
Please kill yourself newfag.

>>148691189
Are you serious?
Nothing has happened yet and still the first episodes of YoI are the most fun I had this season.

>>148691330
/v/ery interesting opinion.

>>148691402
Yeah I think it's a stupid show

>>148691435
>anus as an insult
Cute girl anus smells and tastes delicious.

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>>148685233

A lot, and this season O;9 is clearly in the lead.

>>148689272
and Yamada isn't? fuck off

>>148691473
This anime is a perfect example of how good visual direction doesn't matter when the writing is absolute garbage

>>148691460
It is stupid.
But it's masterfully directed stupidity.

>>148691282
This. They have the time to make their direction more 'elaborate'.

>>148691518
I don't really see anything masterful about it

>>148691435
Man the Heaven's Feel movies will BTFO Koe no Kitachi so hard it won't even be funny.
I can't wait.

>>148691555
I'm sorry for you.

>>148691624
What do you see in it?

>>148691514
More like the perfect example of how the writing is only as good as the viewer's ability to pay attention.

>>148691514
I can deal with boring writing but the two faggots protagonists of O;9 make it literally unwatchable.
A shame since it's so pretty.

>>148691675
More like how bad direction affects the viewer's ability to comprehend the writing.

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>>148691168
Let's see what she has
>not only directed Yuri on Ice but also wrote the scripts
>have worked with more than one studio before
>in-house animators, she has none
>no mentor like Ishihara to Yamada to guide her hand
>actually has worked on more genre than SOL (action, psychological, sports)
>has worked on MANIME such as Evangelion, Redline and Samurai Champloo

You're pretty much right, anon. She practically shits on Yamada.

>>148691672
Oh, the cancerous cinegrid newshit is here. What a surprise.

>>148691465
Bet you wouldn't know.

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>>148691756

>>148690471
Bro, i dont even necessarily care about Kyoani. Just using common sense.

>>148691731
More like how today's alt-tab viewers can't follow any direction that isn't the narrative equivalent of spoonfeeding

>>148691980
Was that Kigami? Can't wait for his next Hibike episode.

>>148691700
No the real shame is all the interesting side characters getting sidelined for faggot MC and his oh so necessary harem

>tfw KyoAni haters get silenced by based cinegrid anon.

>>148692123
I could quote him calling them shit if you insists.

>>148692123
What, so you've been in here waiting to talk this whole time? And your trump card are webm grids?
How about you address Ufotable >>148691330, Occultic;Nine's visuals >>148691473, or even about Yamamoto? >>148691168
Just start talking and they'll respond to you. That''s how debates works.

>>148690756
I don't understand. Is this supposed to be an example of good writing?

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>>148692067
>interesting side characters
You are probably talking about the rest of the main characters. It's called Occultic;Nine because there's nine MCs. This is a work with multiple perspectives and an ensemble cast.

>getting sidelined for faggot MC
This not only did not happen but Gamon, who is about as much of a MC as the other eight, was gone for the entirety of episode 2 after his scene near the beginning. He was in the episode for about 3 minutes total.

>and his oh so necessary harem
There is no harem.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

>>148692281
Ufotable one: shit
Occultic one: good
Yuri on Ice: mediocre

>>148692362
>there are multiple MCs
There never are.

No matter how hard you try to follow other characters, one will always stick out as being dominant. Just how it is.

The 'NEET' is MC

>>148692281
>Ufotable
basic composition and use of complimentary color schemes.
>Occult 9
meh
>Yamamoto
Cookie cutter anime director, her only unique feature is that she has a vagina.

>>148692392
What a miserable rebuttal.

>>148692392
Pretty much.

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Why do people even rate Ufotable?

>>148685233
Is this the new "ITT: Overrated shit"?

>>148692425
He's so dominant that he was only in 3 minutes out of 21 (cutting out OP and ED) of the second episode.

I'm not arguing that Gamon isn't THE main character, but the other main characters are absolutely NOT getting sidelined for him like you're trying to claim.

>>148692589
Is this supposed the be bad?

>>148692814
The choreography is boring, the red haired guy floats on second 3-4~ for some reason, the animation is pretty mediocre, the background is made out of literal cropped photos, generic blue orange color complimentary. I would say yes it looks bad.

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>>148685233

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>>148691591
>Nasu wanted Ufo to make a Fate route adaptation
>Miura threw a tantrum because muh rin
>Nasu being a polite Japanese man bowed and said it was for the best
>then wrote a short novel about Arturia and Merlin and Camelot to bundle in UBW BD which had Fate route ending as the most important and relevant one of the three routes which directly connects to FGO and big Universe and timeline crisis

Heaven's Feel will be better since Miura isn't directing. Plus, the guy in charge of HF is a huge fan of Tsukihime and Fate. Unlike Miura.

>>148692805
>3 minutes
His walk to and discovery of the doctor's murder was 3 minutes. I'm not counting, but I estimate 7-9 minutes of scenes involving him

>>148692589
>>148692879
>That weird bounce at 0.3
Most of Ufotable's stuff tends to coast by on impressive visual effects that get confused for actual animation.

>>148693107
>His walk to and discovery of the doctor's murder was 3 minutes

This was in episode 1.

>I'm not counting, but I estimate 7-9 minutes of scenes involving him

Well, I'm counting. In episode 2, aside from some very quick flashbacks to him in the murder scene during the detective's report about it before, he's only in the episode from 5:43 to 8:37. That's roughly three minutes of screentime.

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>>148691738
>in-house animators, she has none

It's impressive how she could manage the skating animations.

>>148693089
I'm glad we got the UBW adaptation, it was the best Fate related media I've seen in a long time.

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>>148693476
Literally can't compare to KyoAni's in-house staff. And Mappa is relying on outsourcing up its ass like any other studio not named KyoAni anyway.

>>148685233
Stop making this thread please. If you want to talk about directing at least put some effort into the thread instead of always the exact same phrase and the same style of collage. This is how you end up with generals.

>>148686530
>>/tumblr/

>>148693396
Oh shit, sorry. I haven't watched ep 2. Didn't even know it was out.

>>148693695
Kyoani's in-house talent isn't the point. Could Yamada have done what Yamatoto did? With Mappa's outsourcing habits, how did Yuri on Ice still managed to the level that it is on? Furthermore, have you ever seen an anime focusing on skating animations before?

You cannot doubt that Yamamoto's talents > shit > Yamada.

>>148688815
These studio wars are more entertaining than anything the studios have ever made.

moar cinegrid webms pls

>>148693921
Mappa's outsourcing is what has made the (very few) skating scenes so far look decent. Mappa alone is next to irrelevant. Episode 2 already didn't look as sharp and based on pre-screening reactions it will look worse from now on.

Yamamoto is more diverse, but Yamada is more talented and renowned, not to mention successful.

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>>148694048
>Yamada is more talented than Yamamoto

That is untrue but i have a feeling that you would turn a deaf ear to whatever i say due to your dedication to Kyoani. So fuck you.

>>148694306
Not him but I'd be interested in hearing your explanation for the opposite.

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>>148694005

>>148691738
>>no mentor like Ishihara to Yamada to guide her hand

Other, than, you know, Watanabe.

>>148692879
>the background is made out of literal cropped photos
What? It's just CGI.

>>148693921
Oh wow so your argument is centered on the supposedly "unique" premise of ice skating and "what ifs". Might as well as what Miyazaki, Takahata and Kon would be without the strong talents behind their work.

>>148694430
Why not do these for better anime?

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>>148694555
If by CGI you mean 3D I don't think so, they look like blured flat textures of ground that you could get anywhere

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>>148694575
I didn't make them, but there's hardly any anime as well animated and visually compelling as Occultic;Nine this season.

>>148694688
There's hardly any good anime this season. Like I was saying, it'd be cool if the people who knew how to make these would do them for proper good shows instead of dumb stuff like this or Chuuni or whatever.

>>148694688
There's the fact that so much of the content is just fundamentally bad. Yuta is a self-assigned NEET with an occult affiliate blog who just will not shut up, basically the least likable template for a protagonist. His friend Ryoka has impossibly huge breasts, and the show undercuts any attempt to take her seriously by both constantly centering the camera on them and giving her the personality of a five-year- old. The owner of the bar where they hang out is an effeminate gay stereotype. These are ostensibly the characters we're supposed to care the most about.

>>148694688
Everyone was memeing on Yuri on Ice and Flip Floppers before the season even started but episode 2 of both series were subpar. Still not liking Occult 9 character designs, though, but yeah it's currently the best animated show this season.

Too bad it's flopping.

>>148694747
Well the anon who made these learned how to do it just to make them for O;9. It's probably a lot easier to go along making them for an airing show than taking on a finished show. What shows do you want them done for? Why don't you learn how to make them yourself like this anon did?

>>148694563
>ice skating isn't unique

You guys says the dumbest things.

>>148694763
>The owner of the bar where they hang out is an effeminate gay stereotype. These are ostensibly the characters we're supposed to care the most about.

Well, no, the bar owner is a side character. There's nine main characters total, and in episode 2 Yuta and Ryoka didn't even get much screentime.

>>148694769
It deserves to flop for being an adaption of such bad source material.

>>148695089
>i've never read the novel but I'll run my mouth off anyway

>>148694688
I just realized O9 is an A-1 show, so i don't really expect this quality to last more than 3-4 episodes.

>>148694769
Flip Flappers is the best show of the season

>>148695151
Yeah, I don't need to read the novel to tell it's shit. Problems?

>>148695247
Literally nothing good about it except for the ED.

>>148695247
The best flop of the season you mean.

>>148695194
Not my first rodeo with A-1 so I know. But I'll enjoy it while it does last.

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When did Naruto get so good?

>>148695381
It's good once every blue moon when they bring good staff to work on specific episodes.

>>148695381
It's always been a patrician anime

ITT - Retards who think that an occasional good shot composition is proof of good overall direction.

>>148695487
*tips fedora*

These threads are too focused on the single shot or sequence rather than on the pace and flow of the overall episode when talking about direction. Also editing is largely ignored.
It's the only reason why letargic tripe like Hibike gets more praise than O;N or YOI.

>>148695487
You are smarter and cooler and more handsome than anyone else in this thread. I wish I could be like you!

>>148695487
>>148695541
samefag

>>148691240
Because KyoAni puts actual effort into their productions.

>>148695541
>than on the pace and flow of the overall episode when talking about direction. Also editing is largely ignored.
>O;N

don't try and tell me that first episode wasn't a total disaster.

>>148695487
Ahah, I agree completely: >>148695541

>>148695541
Why are you getting all defensive about bad shows?

>>148695541
Actually Occult 9 has cool shots and nice animation, but the flow and editing is a complete mess.

>>148695582
The editing was fantastic. The best in the season by far.

>>148695611
It has both.
If it wasn't for the garbo characters and dialogue it would easily be the best show of the season.

>>148695292
Masterful spatial design, prioritizes sensory experience over plot, great animation. Better than Occult garbage and Yamamoto's recent embarrassment.

>>148695670
Why is it having such a bad reception both in Japan and the west though?

>>148695713
Because of the awful writing, can't you read?

>>148695696
Yuri!!! On ICE is AOTS though

>>148695787
Hibike 2 is AOTY though.

>>148695802
It had a chance until the pool episode.

>>148695815
What's wrong with the pool episode?

>>148695787
No

>>148695696
>Masterful spatial design, prioritizes sensory experience over plot
It's not paricularly great in that regard, the best episodes of Space Dandy obliterate it. And being more realistic, the protagonists are archetypes seen 10000 times, they have zero chemistry and their interactions don't feel genuine.
>great animation
About 5 seconds of notable animation for episode don't qualify as "great animation".

>>148695840
Generic fanservice episode with no contributon to the overall story?

>>148695845
Gr8 argument.

>>148695787
>>148695802
god save us from this nightmare of a year

>>148685233
How much vlue do you put into posting the same meme shit thread repeatedly?

>>148695919
7 values

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>>148695880
I take it you didn't watch the episode or Hibike, the pool part was in the novels as well and it lasted like 8 minutes in the anime. Kumiko gets to know Nozomi and Mizore better and comforts Reina as she gets cucked. Things happened in ep 2

>>148695867
You're wrong, compare the first two episodes of Flip Flappers and Dandy. If all you can see is 5 seconds of notable animation there must not be anything of worth in Yuri on Ice at all.

>>148695976
Comparing it to narrative driven episodes of Dandy doesn't make much sense. I was talking about the Plants/Limbo/Fishes planets episodes. And only in regard of sensory narration, SD obviously has better animation than FF in its only good moments without even trying.

>>148696138
How does that take away from Flip Flappers being the best show of the season?

>>148696194
Because Yuri on Ice and Hibike 2 exist?

>>148696194
Because it's nothing special even in its supposed strong points.
I'd rather watch something that doesn't try to punch above its weight.

>>148696258
>Yuri on Ice
No it's dumb and not as interesting. Second episode already looked 100x worse than the first.

>Hibike
Just the same as the first season

>>148696341
>No it's dumb and not as interesting. Second episode already looked 100x worse than the first.
None of that precludes it from being better than Flip Flappers.

>Just the same as the first season
Is this supposed to be a bad thing?

>>148696274
It is special if your only point of comparison is the surreal episodes of Space Dandy.

>>148695867
>the protagonists are archetypes seen 10000 times, they have zero chemistry and their interactions don't feel genuine
This is the real issue with Flip Flappers. People were riding its dick hard so I took a look and it was mediocre everywhere that counts. Neat environments are icing, not the entire fucking cake. Everything else was generally unremarkable.

>>148696368
But it's not.

And yes, a sequel that follows the same visual guidelines as the first is not very interesting. That's why Dandy/Ping Pong > Mushishi sequels as far as 2014 goes.

>>148696373
Because it's a kind of thing not seen much in TV anime and more common in shorts.
It doesn't mean that FF executes it nearly as well.

>>148696274
Not him but I'll bite:
>it's nothing special
Nothing in the past two or three years has been special. What Flip Flappers is, though, is remarkably refreshing in its willingness to get a little creative with its art and narrative. Character designs are unique, art is vivid and makes great use of colour and expressionist imagery, and the "pure illusion" setting is nothing but potential. Storytelling is delivered mostly through imagery and insinuation. We learn what's happening ourselves rather than have things be told to us. Tastes and all that, yeah, but I love this method and find it rewarding. In terms of writing alone it's the only thing this year that stands out.
>I'd rather watch something that doesn't try to punch above its weight
I don't follow. Ambition is something that should be rewarded. Where do you see it reaching but not making it?

Do I think it's a great show? Not really. It's okay. I'm sure it'll turn out fine but I doubt it's something that'll stick with me once its stopped airing. But it's sure as fucking hell the most interesting thing that's been on TV in like two years.

>>148696480
How did it not execute it well. The bunny world was amazing: the change of colors, juxtaposing surreal living landscapes with a hidden industrialized society, the adolescence motifs etc.

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>>148696545
>Nothing in the past two or three years has been special.
Stopped reading there, never post again.

>>148696594
I really like Ping Pong, I really do. But more than anything it gets me excited for future projects from Yuasa. Still one of the better shows this side of 2000. Depending on on how low I wanna put the bar I'd say the last really good things were that and Dandy, or 2013 Ghibli.

>>148696545
I dislike the character design but that's just me.
The narrative is extremely simple and formulaic and predictable if you've ever had experience with the typical serious MC/clingy retard duo, and the enviroments-of-the-week add nothing to that. Basically I agree with >>148696391 it's a bunch of nothing dressed up with pretty colors, it simply can't amount to anything.
As for the most interesting anime of the year, Mob is leagues above this.

>>148696962
What's interesting about the writing is what's not being said, that's the whole point. You can't really take things at surface value, and it lends itself to interpretation through all sorts of philosophical lenses.
How was Mob interesting, to you? I found it fairly vapid.

>>148691240
Talent and trusting your animators.

>>148696962
Simple narratives are best for pure artistic expression. Confinements such as plot, exposition, dialogue, complex characterization just get in the way.

>>148697124
I don't like the word best, but more efficient or easier, maybe. Calling stuff like that a "confinement" is kinda bullshit. A good artist should be able to manage everything.

I hope one day people realize that liking one thing doesn't mean you have to hate the rest.

Nooblord here what's a shaftfag

>>148697203
Artists focus on different things. Oshiyama communicates his ideas through world design not in writing. The scenery is the narrative.

>>148697290
I agree.

>>148697024
That kind of storytelling can be interesting, like in FLCL for example, but I don't think that that's the case with FF. And even if that was the intention, the allegories are too detatched from the actual narrative for being worth the trouble.

>>148697024
Even if it isn't the focus it still needs to be done well enough or else it will detract from the experience.

>interpretation through all sorts of philosophical lenses
I'm a Monogatarifag and even I think this is some pretentious bullshit.

>>148697364
It's the impression I get, but of course it's only episode 2 so I won't really push this farther. There are a bunch of cool things people have been noticing, and while I'm a bit skeptical I really hope it all ties together in the end.

>>148697396
Do you cry pretentious every time someone uses the word philosophy or what? Fuck off.

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>>148697396
>I'm a Monogatarifag
Get out

>>148691168
I honestly can't forget how much dull she made Lupin. I love YOI but she still needs to prove herself.

>>148693508
Zero was a better anime. Lerche's show was the most fun.

>>148697463
When you pull out "interpretation through all sorts of philosophical lenses" for two episodes of "cool things people have been noticing" without any real clues then you're overstating it in order to sound smart, which is the definition of pretentious.

>>148697570
It couldn't possibly have been good with Okada at the writing anyway.

To the people talking about Yamamoto being a better director than Yamada:
Tell me if she had directed a better scene than Tamako losing her contacts in the river after Mochi confessed in TLS. That scene was straight up Takahata tier.

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>>148693963
>These studio wars are more entertaining than anything the studios have ever made.

>>148697815
It wasn't a matter of writing. For the first time in a long time Lupin was dull to watch. He has a style consistent since Myiazaka and trying to change that was a step for the worse in Fujiko.

>>148697710
That wasn't my intention. As an example to pacify you, Cocona's rabbit shares a name (fuck me if I can spell it) with a German guy who formulated the concept of "umwelt" - which makes for a neat lens of interpretation for things like the forms they take inside of pure illusion, the setting itself, character motivations and so on. Some anons have said some interesting things on it.

>>148697855
I love that scene too, but fuck namedropping as a way of giving praise

Yamada transcends as a TV anime director to be honest. Yamamoto stuff doesn't make me feel like she should be doing better shit with her abilities.

Yamada could teach to Kurosawa, Ozu and Mizoguchi much about how to direct, honestly.

Imagine what animation could have been today if Yamada was at Walt Disney's place.

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>>148698170
>>148698267
>>148698346
Calm down anon, aren't you trying too hard?

Yamada is the next Takahata
Yamada liberated women in the anime industry
Yamada is the Japanese Sofia Coppola
Yamada elevated anime as an art form
Yamada brought artistic legitimacy to cute girls doing cute things
Yamada's vision is the purest distillation of Miyazaki's ideology on anime.
Yamada school will be an anime phenomena just like Yoshinari Kanada school.
Yamada will be seen as the most important female figure in animation history

>>148698023
It's just reminded me of that Only Yesterday scene but felt much more polished. That's why I mentioned Takahata.

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>>148698610
Are you in love with her?

>>148698737
K-On Yamada was pretty cute, now her age is showing though

>Kyoani
>ufotable
>SHAFT

You have to remove one of these fanbases from visual direction threads. Which do you choose?

>>148700478
Ufotable shit is almost always the dullest. KyoAni has good looking shows here and there. pre-Bakeshit Shaft visuals are interesting

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>>148685233
Pretty much

>>148700404
I think it'll looks better if you replace the titles of each show, the one in the middle, with an extra scene. It gets less redundant that way

I really like the part where Mai and those two are charging each other on the bridge and the camera rotates along as it gets closer

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HxH 1999 is true kino.

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>>148701172

>>148685283
It's not a meme, just a general.

Which, unfortunately, seems to have become accepted by being posted enough until we like it. (See also Best Key Girl, for another more recent example.)

>>148690756
What's this?

>>148701609
Are you retarded? It's in the OP filename.

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When will anime surpass this masterpiece? It's still unbeatable as the best animation ever. Even Japan agrees.

>>148701733
Tale of Tales is better

>>148700404
Fujita is great.