If bebop released in the current year would it get the same

It would beat everything else.

No the MC would be considered a shitty written mary sue for not being an overemotional pussy. And would be considered all edgy and fanservice like every single anime/manga today.

>>148676998
yes. you know why? because bebop is geniunely a good show.

Yes because it is a timeless masterpiece.

of course

even in 2016 it's still a unique show

It would be even more popular, of anything.

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Would Faye be happier these days?

Yes.

>>148680720
imagine all those spats shots in 2016

No, because it's episodic garbage.

>>148676998
How well did Space dandy do when it aired? They are kinda similar butnotreally I guess.

Yes.

>>148681975
You're an idiot if you actually think that.

>>148681975
So you mean it actually has some variety and imagination put into it?

>>148678061
This.

>>148681975
t. re:shitter

>>148676998

With its space misfits thing going on, people would say it would be copying Guardian of the Galaxy, Firefly, and maybe even Dr. Who.

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>>148676998
Yes.
Ed is timeless and the amazing OST is still beautiful to hear.

I watched this but I don't remember much, it was just random stupid stories all over the place and then the faggot with the shitty hair died.

>>148680720
>condom

REEEEE ED is sacred you pedos

>>148678061
Watanabe's most likely behind his computer laughing up a storm as to how people keep thinking this; when he knows the true process of how this thing even goes and went. He's most likely chilling at home reviewing and enjoying his latest greatest work till he gets tired of it: space dandy.

Like most artists; they don't like looking to the past and keep moving forward with a different project.

See you space cowboy; you're gonna carry that weight.

>>148682086
I don't have numbers, but not well. The official site even had a "To Be Continued?" that disappeared after final sales came in.

>>148684424
The fuck is going on with Faye's downblouse? That shading almost makes it look 3D.

>>148684537
I don't like you anon.

Same love, even more attention.

>>148685049
>The official site even had a "To Be Continued?"
How does this make sense? The series had a pretty conclusive ending, right?
>>148684537
I hated episodic anime like the plague when I started watching, but I have grow to find them quite entertaining.
There is something about having watched too many series with overarching storyline which either go nowhere, turn cliché or just flat out disappoint in the end.

>>148685255
>How does this make sense? The series had a pretty conclusive ending, right?
It did, but there're a handful of options they could've turned into a movie:

>what exactly the multiverse's purpose was to the show
>AE where Dandy became God
>origin stories

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Is Yoko Kanno still making music?

>>148687411
Las time wasn't Sankyuu no terror right?

>>148687548
This is the last show I watched with her music at least.

>>148687411
She did music for a live-action film last year.

>>148676998
mc would be too old and not enough of a pussy so the nips wouldn't watch it

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>>148676998
the show is trash,Outlaw Star is superior.

>>148682086
no, because it would look terrible with computer drawn animation

it needs the darker look that you get with cell drawing to make the downer tone

>>148689479
I don't buy that digital animation couldn't emulate the darker look of cell animation, it's just a darker value.

>>148676998
The 90s were a different time. Let sleeping dogs lie.

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>>148689734
The 70s were even better.

>>148676998

Hopefully, but there's not enough kawaii school girls so I doubt people would watch it.

>>148681975
You just described most popular shows of /a/.

>>148689959
> kawaii school girls.
But anon,Ed is kawaii.

>>148676998
Even more so

>>148685049
Space Dandy did well, just because /a/ didn't like it doesn't mean it was bad. The "To Be Continued?" doesn't reflect anything, just leaves it open to possibly revisiting the series later down the line if Watanabe ever wanted to; it's the same situation with Cowboy Bebop, it's open to interpretation and being able to be revisited if desired by Watanabe.

>>148689603
this, there's plenty of film noir works that have gotten justice with the current technology; if anything, it'd probably give an even better contrast between the lights and darks.

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>>148681975
it'd actually be a solid show if only it was. the pilot episode is by far the only great episode in the entire show. rest ranges from decent to mediocre

>>148682668

No, I mean it has no overarching plotline to keep you interested.

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Hell yes it would, It would be AOTY by a mile and all you would see is Bang spam and why Space Lion is the best track they've ever heard.

>>148690459
Except it did. It was built up in the background of the episodes. They all worked on characterizing Spike and led up to his confrontation with Vicious.

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>>148690422
You're joking, right?

>Ballad of Fallen Angels
>Sympathy for the Devil
>Toys in the Attic
>Jupiter Jazz parts 1 and 2
>Mushroom Samba
>Speak Like a Child
>Pierrot le Fou
>Cowboy Funk
>Brain Scratch
>Hard Luck Woman
>The Real Folk Blues parts 1 and 2

Cowboy Bebop has PLENTY of fantastic episodes, and definitely more great ones than "mediocre" ones. Hell, a few of the ones I mentioned are some of the greatest episodes in all of anime and television, period.

If anything, the pilot episode Asteroid Blues is one of the weaker ones even though it's still a great episode.

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>>148689603
Its all a matter of consistent budget and color design.
If it works for lupin, which looks better than in the 90s now it sure can work for cb too

>>148676998
I wish the series had been more like the second episode.

Violence with a little futurist thrown in. Dangerous people everywhere you go. Like there would be in the Wild West, I mean Outer Space.

Show villains being pure evil, just like they are in real life.

A few episodes did this but over all it was a bit light on the "we're bounty hunters chasing dangerous people" theme.

Show the killing and suffering. Show the tears and misery. Show communities struggling to survive.

But that would turn off the normal viewing audience.

CBB does enough right that I did buy the DVD's for it way back in '04 or '05.

Imagine if it had been as gritty as the opening credits implied. Now that would have been a vigilante/cowboy show!

I feel like it wouldn't...not because of the quality of the show, but the time and place. Bebop hit that era where anime was just starting to become a thing in the west, and a lot of people hold it dearly to their hearts because it was one of their first anime. It would be considered good, great, fantastic, but probably wouldn't hold the same lasting impression.

It would be popular. Possibly the most popular show of the season. But it wouldn't have the 15 years of Adult Swim autism to make it the most obsessed over anime in the west tied with DBZ and Eva.

>>148692165
>It would be popular. Possibly the most popular show of the season
Not on /a/.

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>>148676998
/v/ermin misconceptions/opinions:
>Older anime has better animation than modern anime
>Eva invented "tsunder" "arch type"
>Eva Invented "kuuder" "arch type"
>Emotionless characters are "Rei clones"
>Cowboy Bebop is a masterpiece of anime
>Cowboy Bebop is a very influential anime
>KyoAni invented moe
>Moe was created in the beginning of "00 and not in early "70
>Eva is the most influential anime ever
>Sailor Moon is the first mahou shoujo created
>Moe is a genre
>Seinen is violent and "gory" mature anime Genre
>Despite the fact they are financing anime industry otaku actually is killing industry by buying anime they like
>Shonen is a battle genre
>anime must be dubbed or is shit(unable to read or too new to understand Japanese)
>More than one anime title = "Animes"
>17 years old character is a loli
>More than one manga title = "Mangas"

>>148676998
We'd call it the poor man's Space Dandy.

>>148676998
With the same art / animation / detail? It would get much MORE love for being the best looking thing in seasonal anime for like a decade, not to mention that a major studio had gone BACK to cel-based animation.

>>148692328
>Cowboy Bebop is a masterpiece of anime
>Cowboy Bebop is a very influential anime
>Eva is the most influential anime ever

Some of these appear to be correct, anon.

>>148690991
Speak Like a Child is one of my favorite episode of television of all time.

>>148692597
>Some of these appear to be correct, anon.
wrong, back to /v/

It would be annoying seeing it with modern art. The 90's artstyle is a lot of the charm for me.

>>148692597
besides /v/ermin also new

>>148692641
>The 90's artstyle
No such thing

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If cowgay begay aired today it would a crappy fujoshi show, like the manga.

>that soudtrack
>26 episodes, perfect ending
>that setting
>that animation
>episodic

It would be a masterpiece specially today.

>>148692707
The overall aesthetic of anime has definitely changed over time.

>>148676998
I wanna FUCK ed

>>148692328
>>Cowboy Bebop is a very influential anime
How is this not true? It definitely is influential.

>>17 years old character is a loli
Loli is a body type, not defined solely by age. So yeah, even Shinobu which is a ageless vampire is also a loli when in her loli form.

>>148692711
While that's true, westerners, specially casual ones or nostalgiafaggs would love it, whatever those belong to /v/

>>148692636
>>148692673
(Repsting because I replied to one of the wrong people like an idiot.)

>implying that Cowboy Bebop and Evangelion aren't influential on anime and pop culture as a whole, which is objectively wrong

BTFO

>>148692816
This guy gets it.

>>148692816
>How is this not true? It definitely is influential.
Not influential for anime industry, it may be influential among westerners casualfaggots though

>>148692777
His bait is obviously retarded, but what you're saying is completely wrong. For example, he said that NGE is NOT the "most influential anime ever," which is obviously true. You have tortuously changed his words to imply that he said that "NGE is not an influential anime," which is a completely different statement.

And if you think NGE is actually the "most influential anime ever" then you're an idiot. DYRL, off the top of my head.

>>148692816
Not him, but CB was not very influential. It was basically a flop in Japan.

>>148692893
Sorry, reposted. I see what you mean, though. I mistook his words.

>>148692875
>>148692893

>>148692936
Fair enough.

>>148692942
Thanks.

>>148692884
>>148692915
Since we are talking about it's influence inside Japan, then Eva definitely is one of the most influential anime of all time, then.

>>148689366
Cowboy Bebop is excellent...
But Outlaw Star IS better.

>>148692875
>implying that Cowboy Bebop and Evangelion aren't influential on anime and pop culture as a whole, which is objectively wrong
Are you talking about /v/ and western blog posters?
While Eva is actually influential unlike Cowboy Bebop its influence is overstated, Sailor Moon is leagues above Eva in influencing industry, actually Eva was strongly influenced by Sailor Moon too.

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>>148692707
Come on nigga. Even the Nips acknowledge it.

>>148692979
One of, yes, the most, no. I'd say it's like top five in terms of influence.

>>148690991
>Pierrot le Fou
I hated that episode until the reveal that Pierrot had the mind of a child, then I thought it was pretty cool. It went from being my least favourite episode by far to pretty decent.
Also I fucking hated Ed originally but by Mushroom Samba I loved her.

>>148693023
Outlaw Star is like 6/10.

>>148692979
>Eva definitely is one of the most influential anime of all time
Yah but there's several anime tittles more influential than Eva

>>148693049
While that's older art style its not 90' art style

>>148693248
Outlaw Star is better than Outlaw Star, you say?

>>148676998
I like to think so. But I'm a genrefag and Space Western is my favourite genre in any medium so my opinion is biased as shit.

>>148693324
Actually its better than Cowboy Bebop

>>148693248
We all saw it anon.

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I'm genuinely curious how many autists here will try and claim that the sub is better than the dub for Cowboy Bebop when it clearly is not.

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>>148693167
Whatever, faggot.

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>>148693455
I've honestly never watched CB subbed and probably never will because the dub is just that amazing.

>>148676998
No.
1.Because it's new and /a/ hates new things
2.It's episodic /a/ and reddit hate episodic things
3. MC is a gary stu(see 2.)

>>148690300
I wasn't calling it bad. I think it's great, but I was under the assumption that it was a flop.

>>148676998
Actually yes it would.

Have you even seen it?

>>148693500

>a dub us better than the original just because of one voice, even when all the other voices are horrible

And even then, Yamadera is still better than Blum.

>>148693588
>Spike is a Gary-Stu

Except he comes really close to dying A LOT. Definitely not an OP character.

>>148693460
You are not proving anything

>>148693685
The pic related was just an example. I think the entire Cowboy Bebop English cast is great. Feel free to further elaborate.

>>148693500
Great /v/ermin cancerous faggot that don't belong on /a/

>>148693023
Outlaw Star is a dime-a-dozen generic space adventure and it suffers from all the things you'd expect from a 26-episode 90s anime of that nature. It had a weak overarching plot which still largely drove the whole show, thus, the monsters of the week were usually poorly shoehorned into somehow being related to the end goal, the filler episodes were terrible except for the cat tits, the animation was poor, and the characters were pretty flat, just existing to fulfill basic adventure group stereotypes. Nostalgia glasses aside, Cowboy Bebop was much more than that, and still is.

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>>148693793
Fuck off

>>148693745

Faye, Ed, Vicious and most of the secondary characters are hammy as fuck. Literally the only decent voices are Jet and Spike. And the Japanese voice actors still fit the roles better and act better.

>>148693854
Vicious is probably the only shit voice desu.

>>148693807
CB wins at being even more generic

>>148693881
You got me, I can't argue with that pro dialogue.

>>148693881

>cowboy bebop
>generic

Its not going to win awards for the best story ever. But its hardly generic. Its setting and themes make it anything but generic. Still, the Spike episodes are bad and drag down what is otherwise a unique episodic show.

>>148693850
I dont want to and clearly I am here more time than you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N37jpdRIY2c

It would sell terribly bad because
>japan
>good taste

>>148693941
>Its not going to win awards for the best story ever. But its hardly generic.
its actually generic westernized episodic bs

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>>148690991
sure, if trite melodrama is your cup of tea. those are exactly where cowboy bebop falters, trying to be much more serious and dramatic than it's capable of. the pilot did achieved the same goal, but with control, subtlety and efficiency, through quick reference to melodrama - eg the 5 second love suicide at its ending - rather than actually naively indulging in cliches.

>>148692328
>Moe was created in the beginning of "00 and not in early "70
If you think moe is from the 70's, you're just a delusional moefag pretending to be an oldfag. Moe as a message board slang term originated in the 90s, and in the mid-00s, companies like KyoAni consciously using the word moe as a cheap sales pitch for objectively shitty series like Lucky Star and K-On became a cancerous trend. That's not being a /v/fag, that's a basic observation of the industry.

>>148694068
>west
>good taste
at least two can play this game

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>>148694076

>generic westernized episodic
I don't think you know what any of those terms mean.

>>148693743
I don't see you making an argument, nerd.

>>148694063
Kill yourself.

>>148694063
I was waiting for this.

>>148693500
The dub is pretty fucking great for Bebop and Eva. That might be nostalgia talking though.

>>148676998
>one of the main characters is a brown skinned loli with spats


it would get lots of attention. lots.

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>>148681975
>>148684537
>>148689366
>>148692707
>>148693167
>>148693685
>>148693881

>>148694076
>>148694100
CB was all about highly episodic vignettes of distinct style and atmosphere, excellent direction, art design, world-building, not a complex narrative or """"""deep"""""" characters. And as such, it was a resounding success.

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>>148694063
That guy's voice reminds me of the dub version of worst boy.

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>>148693101
NGE changed the entire direction of the industry, just like Haruhi did after it. Precisely because it IS an industry, they were massive commercial hits despite being very different from the reliable but stale formulas, so the industry pivoted to imitate them. The years following their releases were very much in their shadows.

Cowboy bebop did not have this effect. It was not a major hit and there are few anime that followed in its footsteps. Besides launching Yoko Kanno to prominence, it's largest 'influence' on anime is only its western reception, strongly coloring the west's exposure, interpretation and understanding of anime, especially for normalfags.

However, imo, this would be better attributed to Toonami/adult swim's programming, and not the series itself. and if you had real taste, you were watching samurai X

>>148694100
>trite

stopped reading there bucko

>>148693023
Outlaw Star was entirely forgettable from start to finish, the only reason people still even remember it is because pickings were slim in america in the 90s and then later it aired on toonami/adult swim.

is it a harem?
can people self insert?
are there moeblobs?
are they high schoolers?
is it edgy?
is it fujo or yuri?
is it based on military weaponry?

if you answered no to 3 or more of these, it wouldnt get attention

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>>148694366
Cowboy bebop was a dud outside western "critics", not a success, and it putting its tight style and scripting on the backburner in favor of trite melodrama is exactly what I'm criticizing it for. The pilot episode is its best and only great episode because it emphasizes nothing but exactly the qualities you describe. Too bad the rest of the show couldn't follow up. It should've been a 6 EP OVA.

>>148694282

>and Eva
>a dub so bad it literally set a meme for Shinji being whiny

>>148694533

Bebop was one of the more successful shows in 1998 in Japan. Successful enough to get a high budget movie and released on a second TV network.

It took off in the west because it was one of a dozen shows being shown on TV, when all other anime was so niche, you could only find it bootleg or at hole in the wall stores. No one will discount that the west made it bigger than it was. But you're way off the mark if you think it was only popular in the west.

>>148694624
>No one will discount that the west made it bigger than it was.
This statement bothers me, as if the fact that it was "babby's first anime" somehow makes the show itself worse than it actually was.

>>148694533
>Cowboy bebop was a dud outside western "critics", not a success
Not sure what point you're trying to make here, I made no claims for its success.

>it putting its tight style and scripting on the backburner in favor of trite melodrama
I disagree. I will certainly concede that a lot of the main plot episodes were the weakest, basically anything with dumb sword guy or macguffin girl, and I think calling that stuff "trite melodrama" is sort of fair, but the majority was the more episodic episodes, which were routinely excellent.

>>148694533
Not true faggot.

>>148694667

But I never claimed that. I was just pointing out that it got popular in the west.

>>148694100
>>148694533
>>148694689

The main plot episodes that you guys are calling "trite melodrama" was actually my favorite part of the show. Fuck me, I guess.

>>148694774
>>148694667
>bigger than it was in japan
fixed?

>>148694571
> Anywhere can be paradise as long as you have the will to live. After all, you are alive, so you will always have the chance to be happy. As long as the Sun, the Moon, and the Earth exist, everything will be all right.

This turns me into a crybaby in English.

I will admit that hearing Shinji's scream in EoE in English 3 fucking times is a chore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osRSXzjawiY

>>148694792
I think those episodes have a lot of fantastic individual scenes, and the direction and design are still excellent, but they stray pretty deep into anime cliche territory. All of a sudden it turns into a shyoujyo manga.

>>148694135
萌え was already largely used by Japanese otaku in 1980 but it started being used with current meaning much earlier in some circles.

>>148694886

But it was? Cowboy Bebop was liked in Japan. It became a decade long obsession in the west and the standard for every Adult Swim baby as what a show should be.

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No it's only loved by blind nostalgia fags without it the true space kino would finally take its rightful place

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>>148694667
It's very relevant comment and doesn't suggest anything like that considering this discussion is specifically on its influence, redditor.

>>148694689
>I made no claims for its success.
>it was a resounding success
I'd disagree, but I can't even remember any except a handful (the episode where Faye is introduced and the trucker one stand out) despite rewatching it just a month ago.

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>>148691889
>I wish the show was more like ___
>proceed to describe the show perfectly.

>>148695003
CB average sales was above average(8000) but just above average in comparison it sold less than Mahouka(12000)

No, it’s overrated shit hyped by nostalgia-fags.

>>148676998
It would be as well received on /a/ as Space Dandy.

>>148693846
>not eating watermelon on a desert moon

It would be racist to take it out.

>>148695012
>Kino
>>>/tv/

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>>148676998
no people would bitch and whine about them trying to cash in on the internets corgi obsession and ed not being sexual enough.

>>148695031
In the first instance I was referring to its commercial success, and in the second its success in achieving its own creative goals.

>>148693793
Nah. The Dub is synonymous with it and he's know for Spike. Sorry. Even Wantanabe prefers the dub

>>148694076
You don't actually know what "Generic" means do you?

>one of the greatest OSTs ever put to a medium
>breathtaking action sequences and animation
>enjoyable story and extremely memorable episodes

What's not to like?

>>148696766
No moeshit that ruined anime, that's why it would Tank.

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>>148696935
>that's why it would Tank
>Tank

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>>148692603
Yeah, same here.

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>>148697415
C:

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>>148697787
^^

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>>148698301

>>148676998
We would love it for the first few episodes, and then as mal and /v/ get into it we'd start shitting on it and pretend that we hated it all along. We'd nitpick it hard.

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>>148698334

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>>148691889
>Show villains being pure evil, just like they are in real life.
>just like they are in real life.
Real life isn't so black and white, anon.

>>148676998
From the studio? No. Probably not.
From viewers, I'd like to think so. It would be very unlike most current anime, and the manime crowd would be obsessing over it.

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I rewatched the whole thing recently, and in retrospect I'd say that Cowboy Bebop is a tad, just a tad, overrated.

It's not a great show, but it's a good show with great moments.