Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1698

>>148244594
Wikipediaを読んで誤解したやつに何も言われる筋合いはない

大口を叩いているくせに動機やら無関係な観念を話しに入れるなんて笑わせる

>>148291211
I use to be like you, I was strongmindedly against /DJT/ existing on /a/ because it had nothing to do with anime, or even really japanese learning anymore.

Then I settled down and realized it's not that bad and I was just being autistic.

>>148291152
ごめん、アホつ付き合うのめんどくさくなったので日本語の練習は自分でやりな

Also, READ MORE

Japanese is fun! I love visual and light novels! They're so much fun! I hope one day I can become very good at Japanese so I can consume as much awesome novels as possible!

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+++ATTENTION+++

I don't really know anything about coding, but I tried my hand at fixing that shitty, modified version of Kanji Grid on AnkiWeb where the JLPT sorting is broken and the font is fucked up in the saved PNGs. I've been using it for a week now and it seems to work fine.

Changes from modified version are:
>Made links go to jisho.org/
>Changed font to IPA Mincho
>Fixed "JLPT Order" sorting and renamed it to "Education Order"
>Changed heading titles for "Education Order" to match school years
>Made "Education Order" sorting the default
>Made selection per deck again

See pic related for what it looks like (left - education order, right - order found).

Should I upload it? If so, should I change the font to something people are more likely to have, or should I just leave a link to the font in the add-on description? If I should change the font, what should I change it to? Also, what should I name it? I thought of calling it "Kanji Grid - DJT Edition", but I don't want to attract undesirables to these threads by doing so.

>>148291719
Yes, please do.

>>148291719
>>148291829
Also, obviously don't name it DJT Edition.

>>148291719
Oh, and regarding the font, I think I could probably just leave it undefined and let people's computers decide what to font to display instead. Is that preferable?

>>148291829
What are your thoughts on the font and name?

>>148291875
Yeah, I figured it was probably a bad idea to do that. I thought about it a bit more and I guess I could call it "Kanji Grid, Jisho ver.". How does that sound?

>>148291211
Oh, it's Mr. Hyde's turn, huh?

>>148291907
The two posts above you are both me.
>What are your thoughts on the font and name?
I mostly use Meiryo, but the font in your image looks great too. Probably best to leave it undefined, I guess. Jisho version sounds good.
Also,
>>Made selection per deck again
Is possible to select all decks? I'm doing Core6k and a mining deck simultaneously, so I'd like to be able to create a kanji grid from my whole collection.

>>148290967
>>>/qa/748088

>>148292040
>Is possible to select all decks? I'm doing Core6k and a mining deck simultaneously, so I'd like to be able to create a kanji grid from my whole collection.
No. Again, I know jack shit about coding. I only managed to get it per-deck again with a lot of trial and error (commenting out lines and uncommenting lines, then trying it out and seeing if it worked).

I could maybe redownload the original "Kanji Grid (modified)" add-on and reimplement the above changes while keeping the selection global though, and upload that as a separate addon.

>>148292040
Oh, also, I just tried leaving the font undefined and it ends up using a really shit one, whereas the original, unmodified version would use your system font. I might have to see if I can figure out how to fix that.

>>148291439
>つ付き合う
手がふるえているようだ。

英語分からない日本人が日本語で喧嘩売って日本語勉強してる外人が普通に日本語で受け答えしてんの？
凄いね

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>>148291211
>2ch
>直接獅子の巣に入るなんて
怖いからノーサンキュー

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出来ない

>>148291719
instead of uploading it to ankiweb you can just copy the code into a pastebin and post it here. that way maybe someone with coding knowledge could help make further improvements.

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Hello, anon here. A couple of days ago i asked some question and arrived at the conclusion i was following the wrong entry level intructions. I want to ask the following questions:

- How much time does it take to go through the grammar book?

- Do people actually learn new vocab with anki at the same time they learn grammar?

- Is it a good idea to start with kanji early too?

Thanks.

>>148292793
>- How much time does it take to go through the grammar book?
About 2 weeks, depends on you.
>- Do people actually learn new vocab with anki at the same time they learn grammar?
Yeah.
>- Is it a good idea to start with kanji early too?
There is no set order for studying grammar, vocab and kanji (kanji =/= vocab). They should be done more or less simultaneously. Whether you want to learn kanji from vocab or study them individually is up to you, read the part of the guide that goes over the pros and cons of each method and decide for yourself.

>>148292793
> Do people actually learn new vocab with anki at the same time they learn grammar?
The only reason not to learn (basic) vocab BEFORE grammar is that it's easier to spread your time among different things than it is to do vocab anki for 2 hours a day.

Other than that, it is much easier to read grammar guides if you already know almost every word that they use in all their examples (probably 1k vocab is enough for this)

>>148292499
たね is an N2 word?

>>148293025
Who knows, I thought it was しゅ

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>>148292661
I was just about to make a post announcing my intention to do this.

Here it is:
http://pastebin.com/xCG06x6c

And here's the modified version that it's based on, in case you want to compare the two:
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/942570791

Just a heads up to whoever looks over this. The version this was based on had a line which read
>gc = 0
but while trying to get the selection back to per deck instead of global again, I had to change this line to
>gc = 1
otherwise I was getting an error telling me that I was trying to divide by zero. I have no idea what this line does, so it might be worth someone looking over it and making sure that I didn't inadvertently introduce some security exploit.

The other changes I made should be easy to find just by CTRL+F'ing for stuff like "[Jouyou Kanji]", "IPA" and "jisho". There are no other major changes besides making the deck selection per deck again, IIRC.

>>148292333
誰のこと？

>>148293067
しゅ = 種類・類（たぐい）

花が出るやつをたねと言う。

>>148293245
I realize that now, I just mistakenly mined it as しゅ a long time ago.

>>148293364
Gotta watch more anime to correct that shit

>>148293141
> I have no idea what this line does, so it might be worth someone looking over it and making sure that I didn't inadvertently introduce some security exploit.

Not a security exploit, but the fact that it was divided by zero is indicative of some deeper bug. Look at the "x of x - %" text in >>148291719

>>148293625
ペニスの長さ

>>148293701
それを歳で測れない。

>>148293731
なるほど
ペニスの年齢か
日本語って難しい

>>148293141
Oh, by the way, if anyone wants to start using this version right now:
>install the IPA Mincho font - http://ipafont.ipa.go.jp/old/ipafont/download.html#en
>install "Kanji Grid (modified)" - https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/942570791
>close anki if it is open
>navigate to documents > anki > addons
>open "Kanji_grid_modified.py" in a text editor (I guess Notepad should work on Windows, but maybe you will need to use Notepad++ or something instead)
>delete the contents of the file
>copy and paste the contents of the pastebin - http://pastebin.com/xCG06x6c
>save the file

>>148293591
On that note, if you look at the "Education Order" sorting in the image I posted and go all the way to the bottom, you will notice that "Hyougai Kanji" says "0 of 2137", but there are actually only 2136 cards in the deck. I'm guessing this might be related. Hopefully it gives you a clue anyway.

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>>148292980
2 weeks? Holy shit, i've been stuck with japanese the manga way for almost 2 months and i'm still on page 100. I think people here spend a lot of time, i guess.
>>148293002
It makes sense. Now that i think about it, learning vocab almost takes no brain, so it may result easier to start with it

What mean this sentence?
お絵描きや歌が好き

>>148293858
Tae Kim is much shorter than JtMW.

>>148293858
>2 weeks? Holy shit, i've been stuck with japanese the manga way for almost 2 months and i'm still on page 100. I think people here spend a lot of time, i guess.

No, they just overstate their achievements. Even if you were slower than average, learning is no race. Especially not here, cause anime and eroge won't ever run away from you.

>>148293923
you will never watch all the animes

>>148293858
2 weeks is fast but it sounds like you're slow

If you're trying to actually get through a textbook you need a schedule. That means reading a new chapter every day. Or if the chapters are super long/short, it means 10 pages every day.

It's hard to believe that you losers who post on /a/ could be able to achieve anything good. Do these threads actually work or is it just another general where you try to masturbate each other over your inflated egos?

>>148294026
There are some people here that have come far. However it's not thanks to these threads, the threads are shit

>>148294026
We just post memes and shit on beginners

>>148294026
These threads basically have beginners, waifufags and sperglords who read vn endlessly.

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>lengthy reading questions

>>148294026
Aside from the rare cool things like >>148291719 and the op site, the rest of the thread is nothing but cancer and manchildren who are too afraid of leaving their hugbox and posting among real Japanese people online.

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>>148291719
>probably Chinese
Heh.
I like the kanken sort otherwise.

>>148294305
チョン呼ばわりされたら恥ずいじゃん

>>148294305
It's not like the Japanese internet has anywhere worth posting and you know it

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>>148293905
Is it? My pdf contains almost 400 pages, whereas JtMW is roughly 300
>>148293923
It actually is, Tokyo 2020 is around the corner, i expect to earn some money with translations.
>>148293997
I'll try. To be honest, i was watching some japanese teacher youtuber at the same time. But if people need less than a month to finish it, i'll give it more priority.

>>148294371
>i expect to earn some money with translations.
Give up while you can boya

>>148294364
>>148294414
Are you always this negative?

>>148292793
Reading a bunch of grammar up front is a waste of time, it won't stick until you practice it with real content. Learning new vocab through Anki is ok, you won't internalize the meaning until you see it in context, but it helps to have the reading down. You should start with kanji right after katakana which comes right after hiragana. Start reading right away.

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Does anyone know how to make the Sanseido Daijirin work with VNR? I think I've downloaded the right one but I can't make it recognize it.

>>148294026
These thread is a container for hardcore vn and jrpg autists who shouldn't post at all in /a/. Those retards just waste their time trying to read some hyper fantasy or moege garbage while they could easily earn their own life in with a new-acquired language.

>>148294577
Never mind, I had to rename to folder to contain only English characters.

>>148294577
>VNR
That shit is terrible. Get ITHVNR, set up hooking into firefox and just put daijirin into rikai.

>>148294670
That what I've always done, but I want to play this is better for games without windowed fullscreen.

>>148294631
>hardcore vn and jrpg autists
>shouldn't post at all in /a/
Why exactly is that?
>could easily earn their own life in with a new-acquired language
What the fuck

>>148291719
Please do upload

>>148294759
he's salty he lost an argument last thread, don't listen to him

>>148294839
What argument?

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How do I install rikaichan onto android?
I downloaded the extension from the guide and everything, but I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get the xpi file into firefox. Firefox just blocks it every time I try to open it with a third party explorer program. Google isn't helping.

>>148294371
What exactly are you expecting to translate?

I would assume they would hire the translators with the longest careers for something like the olympics

>>148294839
It's my first time posting on these threads.

>>148294921
yep that's exactly what I'm talking about

>>148294880
You can't, it's for PC only.

>>148294936
Honestly I don't know what the fuck are you talking about.

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>>148293847
>https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/942570791

I did it but it not showing me any Kanji

>>148294964
that's why you're so upset

>>148294943
https://github.com/ispedals/Rikachan-Android/releases/tag/v5.2
What about this?

>>148294992
Boy, are you having delusions or what?

>>148294964
At this point you should run away fast. You can see what prolonged exposure to DJT does to people.

>>148295029
nah just laying down the cold hard truth

>>148294989
Did you type in the correct field name?

The default is "kanji", but in your deck it might be something else.

>>148294880

you have riakikun it not the same but also great
the difference instead of the addon save for you in the text file you can only copy to clipboard and you manually paste in the file and later import to anki

>>148295029
He has hwabyung.

>>148295061
where do I change it?

>>148295057
Enlighten me sempaichi.

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>>148294414
Why. Japanese is not the first language i learn
>>148294466
Idk, i guess you'd need to know something at least, If you can build a good foundation in 2 weeks, i'm ok with going full gramar-kun.
>>148294914
There are a lot of journals and not many translations. More demand than offer.

>>148295136
just like press keys on your keyboard and you will see the light

>>148295007
Oh shit, it actually works

>>148295224
Sorry man, my keyboard isn't backlit.

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>>148295228
>Oh shit, it actually works
Well I can't even get it to install

>>148295267
a true shame

>learning some capitalist lap dog country's language
>not learning superior chinese illuminated with Comrade Mao's luminous light

>>148295270
you have to enable installation of unsigned applications; I recommend immediately reenabling the setting because it's an important security precaution
>>148295339
that's step 2, step 1 is watching anime without waiting for subs

>>148295369
Where do I find this option?

>>148295459
depends on your specific device

What mean phrase "なんだって"?
Full Sentence "僕はなんだって知ってますよ"

>>148295339
I'm only learning Japanese to prepare myself for Chinese. 最高指導者毛沢東万歳

>>148295061

never mind found it

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>>148295112
Type in here the name of the field in your deck which contains the kanji/words written in kanji that you're learning. It might be "vocab" or something like that.

>>148295641
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/165835/meaning/m0u/

What do you see as appropriate out of those?

>>148295571
I got it. Thanks.

>>148295672

Thank you
, my field called Vocabulary-Kanji
Are you the developer?
how can I change it in the code it self?

>>148295649
Does the IPA Mincho font work alright when you save your kanji grid as an image?

>>148295800
add-ons > kanji grid > edit
>_literal = True
change to
>_literal = False

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>>148295817

It look little bit odd
like in the kanji 三 the lines are not straight
the middle line is a little bit to the left
here look

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>>148295869

didn't work look

>>148295915
whatever font that is is rendering too large and isn't ipa mincho

>>148295800
I'm not the "developer" of Kanji Grid, but I'm the guy who modified it into the version that was in this thread.

If you want to change it, open the python file in Notepad or whatever (documents > anki > addons > Kanji_grid_modified.py), then change the
>_pattern = "kanji"
line to
>_pattern = "vocabulary-kanji"

You can also change the default text by editing this line:
field.setPlaceholderText("e.g. \"kanji\" or \"sentence-kanji\" (default: \"kanji\")")

>>148295915
Hmm, that font is definitely wrong. I don't know what the guy who made the modified version changed to fuck the font up like this. It works fine for me on Linux though when I save my kanji grid as an image.

Someone who can actually read python will have to fix it because I have no idea. Sorry.

>>148296026
>Someone who can actually read python will have to fix it because I have no idea. Sorry.
I bet my ass he just didn't install the correct font.

>>148296083

Idk I just copy-paste the code he gave didn't do anything besides that

>>148296026

change the pattern and field.setpalce both didn't work
never mind I'll just paste vocabulary-kanji in the Field whenever I generate Kanji

>>148296225
>Idk I just copy-paste the code he gave didn't do anything besides that
You have to install IPA Mincho font for it to not look like shit.

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>57 days to JLPT N1
I am currently putting effort on the grammar stuff, Nihongonomori is good for quick grammar refreshers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLKht3bZ1lo&t=5m12s
And of course Kanzen Master 文法N1

>>148296225
>Idk I just copy-paste the code he gave didn't do anything besides that
So you didn't install the IPA Mincho font, then? No wonder it didn't work.

>change the pattern and field.setpalce both didn't work
First thing to try would be changing
>_literal = True
to
>_literal = False

If that doesn't work, try also changing
>_pattern = "kanji"
line to
>_pattern = "vocabulary"

If both of those things together don't fix it, I guess you'll just have to type it manually.

>>148296255
will download
>>148296363
both didn't work never mind the only thing I do with the grid it to send and image to a friend I don't even look at it

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The reason why you shouldn't do RTK is because you'll end up relying on seeing all the radicals instead of just visually knowing. Reading pic related by dissecting each kanji logically is slow and difficult. You need to be able know what a kanji is visually without the radicals.

>>148296344
>「んがために」 VS 「とばかりに」

What's "vs." about these?

>>148296476
>will download
You should probably use the "4 fonts package(Ver.003.03)" download.

>>148296554
>Ver.003.03

found only 003.01
here:
http://ipafont.ipa.go.jp/node26#jp

>>148296344
My Shin Kanzen Master dokkai book arrived today

Time will tell whether I actually end up bothering to read more than a few pages of it

>>148296640
That's the IPAex font, not the IPA font.

You can use that font instead if you want, but you'll have to edit the python file (CTRL+F for mentions of "IPA" and change them to "IPAex"). Otherwise, just use the link I posted earlier in the thread:
http://ipafont.ipa.go.jp/old/ipafont/download.html#en

>>148296554

I installed the fonts, what now?
It should automatically use them or I need to change something?
cause it look the same to me

Let's play a guessing game, /djt/.

Try guessing a kanji characters by giving a rather vague (but still descriptive) clues and other will come up with their answer

I start
>a cross on a heart

>>148296841
Did you read >>148296830 yet?

Also, you have to restart Anki for changes to the script to take effect.

>>148296875

the thread didn't update when I wrote so now I'm downloading what you sent

>>148296851
必?

>>148296851
Ｇｕｅｓｓ　ｔｈｉｓ：
山上復有山

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>>148296875

Installed, It look great thank you
here look

>>148296938
Nope

悪

Next

>MFM threesome

>>148297055
This one's easy, 嬲.
Next: the most depressing kanji of them all.

>>148296528
It's 「んがために」 VS 「とばかりに」 VS 「んばかり」 VS 「かのごとく」, it's a two part video
The first one does not fit with the 〜ように、〜みたいに theme of this video yes

>>148297055
嬲
嫐

Next
>Your words are different.

>>148297164
>The first one does not fit with the 〜ように
Actually, yes. Disregard this

>>148297164
Okay. And what does the ん in んがために mean?

>>148297154
死?

>>148296982
出

>>148297238
Shamelessly copying that one good Youtube comment:
>Note that the ん in んがため is the 連体形 an archaic auxiliary verb (助動詞) which means しよう or intention of doing something (意思を表す). It is quite easy to remember. The せんがため is an exception only made for suru-verbs. In all other cases, you simply remove the ない from ない形 and add んがため.

>>148297021
It looks a bit better than it did, but it still doesn't look right. It's like there's no anti-aliasing being applied to it at all. It should be nice and smooth like in my picture: >>148291719

I don't know if the issue is on your OS's end or if it's something to do with the python script though.

>>148297306
違う
Depressing in more than one sense.

>>148297351
I wanted to know if you knew it.

>>148297358

Probably my OS
my computer is dumb as fuck in the past year and I don't have any will to format him sadly

http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q147289514

>>148298214
>3500字から4000字程度といわれています
嘘だな

>>148297452
xp is dead pirate win 7 or install trueos (freebsd for retards)

>>148298351
なぜそうと思いますか

>>148298397
いや、絶対に嘘だから

>>148296982
i read that section too probably the best part

How do nested relative clauses work?
Can someone clarify that?

>>148296344
You go man
How did you reach that level?
Good luck anyway!!

>>148298351
>mined for a year
>2900 unique kanji
Yeah, I'm pretty sure people who read this shit for decades know at least a 1000 more.

>>148298504
same way in english you string them together

>>148298214
4000 for a post-grad in literature why not.
I feel like the answer is more around 3000 (常+人名用漢字 + extras)

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>>148298397
What did he mean by this?

>>148298683
gomen
heta da yo ne

>>148298562
Thanks
100% self-study, I started with Tae KIm/RTK/Core10k a few years ago.
My Japanese is not perfect but I can enjoy most things I want to read, watch, play or listen

>>148299510
Good job man
I dropped Anki and I can't seem to understand grammar at all. but Ihope I can reach your level.
Good luck again!!

>>148299510
I did all of Tae Kim and RTK and I'm in the midst of core10k (finished core2k & 6k).

Reading manga these days, I'm able to read 2 volumes a day for now, it's fun. I hope to be able to enjoy LNs in 6 months - 1 year from. I should probably force myself to read VNs but I'm having fun with manga for now so I don't want to fix what's not broken, yet.

How did it go for you? What stuff did you read first, etc.

>>148299510
What kind of score would you consider a success at N1?

>>148300007
Barely passing

>>148299716
I started with manga after I finished Core2k and VNs after 6k (with ITH). I remember reading a bunch of Ika Musume chapters at the very beginning. Then Madoka volumes when I was between 6k and 10k. And Steins;Gate when I was at 10k+
I started LNs a bit before I passed N2, it was difficult due to the amount of vocab and slang needed. Surprisingly I found my first regular novel, 容疑者Xの献身, to be an easier read.

>>148300007
100/180 obviously, but 130+ means you are in the top 10% for the exam, which is very good

>>148291211
Can someone post the screencap of that mod explaining how DJT isn't going anywhere?

>>148300757
>130+ means you are in the top 10% for the exam, which is very good

Percentile?

>>148300757

Have you ever been to japan?
Could you give me any advice on relative clauses, は particle that you would give yourself if you could begin studying again?

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>>148300888
>pic
>>148300959
>Have you ever been to japan?
No, not yet. I was a poorfag until recently
The best explanations in English I've found about these topics were in the Dictionary of Japanese Grammar books. I suggest you buy or download them from the OP if you didn't already

>>148301376
Already did and still shit.
Thanks anyway.
It's admirable how far you have come withouth going there.

>>148301440
It's more admirable how far he went with going here.

>>148301376
Hmm, so only top 30 percent passes?

I currently have my Anki deck set to showing kanji with furigana above it and I've noticed that some words I recognize easily by kanji, but would have trouble knowing the word if I saw it written in kana, while other words I can easily recognize by kana/hearing, but wouldn't recognize if I saw only the kanji.

Is this normal for everyone else? I was thinking of setting up a second Anki deck with the same vocabulary but set to only show kanji/kana, or will it just happen with time that I memorize both naturally?

>>148301603
>showing kanji with furigana above it
That's the source of both of your problems, get rid of furigana on your main deck.

>>148301692

I've only learned about 200 words so far (started recently) and I tried going without furigana at the start but it was killing me. Is this early a good point to try and drop furigana?

>>148301794
Drop it harder than a turd on fire that shit will fuck you up.

>>148301745
日本が終わったってことでいいのかね

>>148301871

That bad? Guess I'll try my revision tomorrow without it.

>>148301794
You have to recall the reading of the word from kanji alone. It will be killing you at the start, yes, but it's necessary for anki to work at all.

>>148302080
With furigana, it's like you learned nothing at all.

>日本語コースで試験を受けた
>漢字はほとんどなかった
>問１：答えに合う質問を作りなさい
>答え：「いいえ、いけません。」
>作った質問：「明日はパーティーに行きますか。」
>先生が近づいて、私の作った文を読んだ
>「違うよ。答えの「いけません」は、「行く」の活用の「いけません」じゃありませんよ。」
>思い詰めてしまった
>ついにダメだと気づいた
>試験を先生に渡した
>「あぁ、残念ですね・・・「～なければいけません」の「いけません」でしたよね・・・　（ニコニコ）」
アイ・ヘイト・ディス・シット

>>148296497
That's nonsense. With enough experience you will be able to recognise words and even whole phrases by shape and other shortcuts. Being able to recognise the kanji individually doesn't prevent that, so why should knowing the radicals stop you doing it with a kanji?
That's not to say I think rtk is good though, it's just that your reason is bullshit.

>>148302217
This is how you end up after Genki.

You use Genki, right?

>>148302385
Nah, my course has its own books
And I've been using DJT's grammar dictionary at home (and doing Anki, of course)

>>148302507
So Anki's the cause, I guess.

>>148302540
Maybe. I guess I should practice production more often

>>148302217
i have no clue what you're talking about and this is why classes are dumb

>>148302846
He made a dumb fucking mistake and classes aren't at fault for that.

>>148302846
>i have no clue what you're talking about
How many layers of 出来ない are you on?

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Is doing a rote kanji deck + the dojg deck + core2k a bit too optimistic?

Also, regarding the DoJG deck, how exactly are the cards in the deck ordered? And is there any consensus on cloze vs recognition? I'm leaning towards recognition since I'm not sure whether treating the DoJG deck as though it were a test is a good idea; I feel like it might be a better to just use it as a means of making my way through all the material while reviewing it at gradually increasing intervals.

>>148303131
うんこ

>>148303131
kys, fucking manchild

>>148302217
You lost me at the three last sentences. What happened?

>>148303016
Thinking you can learn japanese is a bit too optimistic.

>>148303016
Surely you are gonna read, right?

>>148303240
She said the いけません in question was the one from the construction ～なければいけません and I felt retarded for not realizing it before.

>おおかまなところで、　あなたの推論は間違っていないと思います

What does the part before the comma mean? The "おおかま" is throwing me off

Today I did Anki for 36 minutes and then I read a visual novel for 3 hours and 14 minutes.

>>148303016
>a rote kanji deck
Fucking don't, that's retarded.
It has all the cons of learning from vocab (high difficulty, big grind) without any of the pros (learning actual fucking words)
And then it has all of the cons of mnemonic shits (lots of time spent learning pretty much nothing) without any of the pros (every kanji spoonfed to you in babby appropriate order)
Why the fuck would you do that to yourself? Just do core and mine.

>>148303346
Ah

>君なんかより先に

この文章よく分かんない。応援必要そうみたいな。何の意味？

>>148303488
Context?

>>148303383
おおまか

>>148303016
>Also, regarding the DoJG deck, how exactly are the cards in the deck ordered?

The cards from the Basic volume are ordered roughly to match the order the concepts are introduced in Tae Kim. The rest are in DoJG's order.

I also suggest you skip torturing yourself with a rote kanji deck if at all possible.

>>148303579

この世界の謎を解き明かしちゃうんだ。　君なんかより先に。

>>148303290
Quite possible.

>>148303442
I already know some vocab. I finished Core2K a long time ago during an earlier attempt at learning moon, and as I've been going through this deck words have been coming back to me.

I was moving at a pretty good pace and was due to finish in ~two months (which is about how long you'd expect the mnemonic approach to take), but I recently hit a wall with it and haven't gotten anywhere in a few days. That's why I was thinking about doing one or both of those others decks as well, so I could at least be moving forward in some aspect of the language.

>>148303670
>I also suggest you skip torturing yourself with a rote kanji deck if at all possible.
I don't really know what to do instead. I tried getting by without deliberate kanji study in the above mentioned earlier attempt, but it caused a lot of problems for me like difficulty recognising and remembering words, and difficulty reading handwritten text. I tried the mnemonic approach but I got bored very quickly of spending an hour a day trying to think up stupid stories for the characters I was learning. I've gotten further through rote without giving up than I got through the mnemonic approach.

>>148304029
>I finished Core2K a long time ago
Then just start reading and mining.
All your problems with recognizing words stem from not enough exposure and a kanji deck won't solve much of that.

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みんな、神学校および聖職への受けいれにおける、同性愛傾向を有する人物の召命を吟味するための基準に関する手引きってのことわかるよね？

>>148303488
Before someone like you

What does this sentence mean exactly?

>Anata doushite watashi ga otoko te?

>>148304029
If you're the anon from before, you didn't want to use pre-made mnemonics because you didn't like them. But you don't need to like mnemonic for them to work. You can just pick the top-voted koohii mnemonic no matter how dumb it is and it'll be effective. It worked for everyone else, it'll probably work for you too. You could even keep doing your rote shit and look up mnemonics for difficult ones on koohii or KKLC, just make a rule not to get autistic about perfecting it.

>>148304524
Why do you assume I am a guy? Why did you call me a guy?

>>148304528
いもうとはポップコーンが好きですか
今作っていますけど

>>148304832
Thanks.

>>148305194
同じですね
バッターでお願いします

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>>148304528
それ..よく考えてたけどやっぱり知らんがな

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今季は見ているアニメの大部分を字幕なしで見ている

あんたたちは練習の為何の行動を試してみてる？

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>>148305493
>あんたたち
おい！とりあえず俺達は誰だと思う？その言い方は絶対に許せんぞ..覚えておけ

練習には「どーにゃつ」はどう？

>>148305493
漫画や小説やツイートなど読む　

>>148305493

この頃、ネトゲ遊びとウィキ読むとかにやっている。 着目は面倒からゲメはいい。

>>148305943
Donuts?

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>>148306726
It's a manga

pic related

>>148291719
but I tried my hand at fixing that shitty, modified version of Kanji Grid on AnkiWeb where the JLPT sorting is broken
Didn't the organization who runs the JLPT stop officially releasing things like vocab and kanji lists before they changed the system and introduced a new N level?
How do you know which kanji is used in which level, in order for categories to be populated?

１００年くらい前までアジア人はhe/sheではなくItで呼ばれてたことを忘れない

>>148303016
You should read instead of doing all this dumb ass shit.

>>148307539
嘘だろ！amazingなことを教えてくれてありがとうよ

>>148305493
俺には字幕なしでアニメが見れるはアイカツとプリパラとかしかない

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一同に？？？が走る

>>148307091
The "JLPT" level division is actually just school grade ordering (教育漢字 grades 1 through 6 and then the rest of the 常用漢字).

>>148307747
臣又糸弓長

>>148307747
Looks like 緊張 to me

>>148302316
The way RTK works is keyword > kanji so you aren't training yourself to recognize kanji, only to construct them.

レップをして
レップをして
レップをして
レップをして
レップをして

レップの時間です

>>148308691
もうしたよ
今は読書時間だ

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Let it end

若気「にやけ」だらけのスレはここかな？

>>148309548
Thoughts on RTK? I just finished learning kana yesterday and I'm still undecided on what to do from here.

>>148309627

100 percent worth it. I used to struggle with identifying words I had already learned because maybe the font was slightly different, or the shapes of the kanji looked kinda similar to the shapes of another word. I spent a bit over 2 months burning through RTK at 44 words a day (some days I slacked), and kanji feels like a joke to me now. It is literally no longer something I worry about. I also learned how to write and stroke order during the process, which just makes me feel a lot more confident in actually knowing the full language, not just reading.

Learn some vocab and grammar first though. Start reading immediately. RTK is not a fun way to start learning Japanese, and I enjoyed reaching certain kanji that I recognizes from words I already knew. When you start finding it difficult to recognize words because you're mixing up kanji then start RTK or something equivalent. It's a pain in the ass, but I don't regret it at all.

>>148309909
>two months
The thing is if you had just finished Core2k and looked up names for common radicals kanji would be a joke to you too

>>148309909
Cool, thanks for sharing. My friend who passed N1 in 2014 suggested that I try learning vocab through rote memorization and try studying kanji if I find it too hard.
Did you use the stories from koohii or make up your own? Also, are you planning to do volume 3?

>>148310187
What's wrong with two months?
And I would rather learn vocab through reading personally. I'm not a fan of the core decks, but I respect that other people find them beneficial.

>>148310278
I used the community stories which I believe are from koohii. Heisigs stories suck ass most of the time.

And I don't intend to do another kanji deck for now at least. Again, I like learning through reading more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzpKDetkPJ0
Not even japs can into their own language.

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So I decided to start reading manga in Japanese. Decided to start of with some SoLs/CGDCT. Anyway, it seems I'm still weak with longer sentences. Anyway, can someone clarify if I've messed up the last panel?

>But you know, I wonder if people might look at you funny if you dress slovenly just after enrolling...

>Shut up!

>You've been real noisy since just now!

>And go away!

>>148294305
Well if DJT is so shit, where should I be hanging out while learning Japanese? r/learnjapanese?

>>148312201
/int/'s jap thread. Seriously.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njN-pBqvNMI
theme song of DJT

>>148312201
>Well if DJT is so shit, where should I be hanging out while learning Japanese?

Why would you need a place to hang out. You don't learn Japanese by hanging out with N4 level English speakers. Hang out in anki or VNs

>>148294458
Unless you live in shitty 3rd worlds where it's all dirt cheap, it's not negative of the other post for telling the other guy to give up on making money off translations. If your TL skills are actually good, you can earn more getting a full time job working for MNCs or other firms that interact with businesses overseas. Money you make off these type of translation projects are like on par with beer money, really.

>>148312301
This is actually fantastic.

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>>148312301
>かあさあああああああん～ルルルル～
おやまあ

>>148290967
why did the guide remove the _WIDE_ ^___________^

>>148312401
I like it because it showcases how a native Japanese speaker would translate something if they had to use as few English loanwords as possible.

>>148312301
>自転車 自転車 自転車

>>148291719
This is good, but I preferred it when it spanned multiple decks. That way I could get a grid for both core6k and my mining deck at the same time

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インターネット上で誰もが幼女があります

私のかわいい白人s調子はどうだああああああ

日本語冒険はどうだ

夢を手に入れたか

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsl0EawhbGA

>>148313068
私の処女ちゃんと守っています

Will I get bullied if I keep using わたし? It sounds nicer than ぼく or おれ.

>>148312987
It's pretty trivial to edit the Kanji Grid addon's python file to make the changes that I did. I managed to do it successfully with no knowledge of coding beyond a little bit of HTML and CSS in school 8 or so years ago.

Look in the pastebin I posted, then CTRL+F for the bits you want to change. Want to change the links to Jisho.org? CTRL+F for "jisho" in the pastebin, look what line I changed, find that line in your Kanji Grid python file and then just change it how I did.

You don't really need to know what you're doing since you're only changing totally superficial elements of the script. Hopefully someone who knows what they're doing will take a look at the pastebin though and improve on it (maybe make it so that you can choose between per deck and global) and post the result on AnkiWeb.

>>148313523
You will get bullied if you use anything other than 拙者 (in formal situations) and 俺様.

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>>148307808
Ah, gotcha.
I just did a mock-up deck containing only the 教育漢字 and ran it through the modified kanji grid, the one which this one >>148291719 is apparently based off and had no issues with the sorting in this regard. Pic related is a screencap of the HTML print out in the browser. What issues was the JLPT/Education Order" having?

Aside from that, I think it isn't a very wise idea to have a custom font like IPA Mincho as the default font. Making people install custom fonts instead of relying on the already present system fonts, like Meiryo, is putting up unnecessary barriers to entry. I can understand to an extent the font issue anons where having with the screenshot feature but this is already made redundant by the ability to save as html, where anons can simply open the file up in their browser, with whatever fonts they have as their preferred Japanese fonts for reading, and take a screencap of that since most browsers come with built in full page screenshot functionality out of the box.
Doing those sort of things is more like the author injecting their own opinions into the product for the sake of usability. An appropriate solution to such a perceived issue would be to allow the user to select the output font instead of telling them to install a custom font into their system just to use an Anki plugin. But I suppose those are more philosophical points of disagreement than anything else.

>>148313571
我が

>>148313523
別にどうでもいいぜ

だって君にはもっと大事なことがいっぱいあるからな

>>148312301
Literally better than the original

>>148312511
People complained about it having /a/ memes. Yet looking at it another way, this layout is nicer.

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>a homepage for an /a/ general
>has /a/ memes
fancy that

>>148313899
Everyone likes Yotsuba.

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>>148314017
True enough.

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>>148314049

>>148314118
is using literally no kanji a common thing in comedy manga like Yotsuba or is it just Yotsuba's schtick

>>148314192
Isn't it just because Yotsuba is a child?
The rest of the characters lines have kanji as usual.

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>>148314192

It's funny how n00bs complain about Kanji being harrrd and shit, but the truth is that Japanese without kanji can be much harder to read than with.

Which game is better for practicing reading? Detective Pikachu or Legend of Zelda - Majoras Mask?

>>148314360
Probably Detective Pikachu? I don't have a 3DS so I can't speak from experience, but I can't imagine you'd get much reading practice from Zelda.

>>148314192
Only the first few chapters out of the entire series has Yotuba using kanji, occasionally. The rest is entirely in kana. Japanese has this trend of writing child characters with kana dialogue because they oft association all kana with children.

>>148314192
same reason why most of imouto's posts are like that

>>148312170
please respond

Is it ever okay to rely on google translate to get a general idea of what an incomprehensible sentence means? I've been using it whenever a kanji that I don't know stops me in my tracks...

>>148313704
>An appropriate solution to such a perceived issue would be to allow the user to select the output font instead of telling them to install a custom font into their system just to use an Anki plugin.
This is a good idea, assuming it's actually possible.

Also, the problem with depending on "system fonts" is that they differ from OS to OS. For instance, the Meiryo font you suggested isn't available on Linux (at least not legally) and I would presume it isn't available on OS X either.

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>>148314303
The more educated Japanese use English.

What's your target content, DJT?

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Would any moon readers be able to tell me what this says? Google Translate is being vague with the translation.

>>148314520
use texthooker instead

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>>148314520
Using google translate to accurately get even a really rough idea of what a sentence means is a skill unto itself. You examine the sentence grammatically, then translate the sentence piece by piece, then arrange the results for the individual pieces in a way that makes sense and corresponds to how they grammatical relate to one another in the original sentence. You can learn a (very) little bit of Japanese just by doing that.

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>>148312301
>ひらめき ああ

>>148314656
vagina

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>>148314656

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>>148314673

>>148314627
Meiryo for Windows.
Hiragino Minchō Pro W3 for Mac.
GPL DejaVu for Unbuntu.
Or at least these are what I think are system default fonts for those OS/distros.

>>148314819
the only thing hard about that is saying it in one breath

>>148314819
I can't learn Japanese.

>>148314823
Oh I knew that much, I was just wondering whether or not it said whether it was a full set or just a single figure before I buy it.

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>>148314863
I guess but why would someone do that?

全て人々が平等に出来ない

>>148314918
It said all 5 types of Satoshi set. I'm not familiar with the products, so I don't know if you're going to get all 5 different types of Ash or the 5 different characters in the pic.

>>148314959
bc its 1 runon sentence

>>148312643
I think they should have used some Japanese death euphemism for Another One Bites the Dust though. Other than that small bit, yeah, it's pretty neat.

>>148315033
But it's got「 、」in between bits?

>>148314853
>GPL DejaVu for Unbuntu.
DejaVu doesn't contain Japanese glyphs. Also, most Linux users on imageboards don't use Ubuntu.

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>tfw forgetting easy stuff
I wish I could make my subconscious understand that all of this japanese stuff is important and should not be forgotten.

>>148315126
if you see the easy stuff everyday then you'll never forget them unless you have brain damage

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>reading https://vndb.org/v8606/
I just started reading so the text I'm kind of having a hard time, but I'm able to make out the dialogue fairly easily. I've fapped to this multiple times before when I wasn't learning japanese but it's even hotter when you know what they're saying.

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>>148314823
Whatever happen to Satoshi being a weedy little fuck?

>>148315095
>DejaVu doesn't contain Japanese glyphs.
Oh, well there's that. I was going off a google search. Not a very good search.
>Also, most Linux users on imageboards don't use Ubuntu.
It was just an example of one of the most popular distros, unless I'm confusing it with something else. The point is more to have a fallback standard setting for the fonts those systems will have for Japanese, then allowing users to select a custom font instead.

>>148312301
There's more where that came from:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2fbi5lrBhE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvtwN_6RHKs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlYiZR6BsnY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym7iHrn8vCw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b55Evr8EDiI

>>148315398
you forgot one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yirVxFBnp2o

Forgive me if I missed it in the OP, but is there some way to learn the kanas on android?

>>148314985
Thanks anon, since there's only 5 figures in total I assume its all 5 from the pic.

This helped quite a bit, thanks again.

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>>148315601
Pic related should do the trick. You can even use Ankidroid if you want.
http://djt.neocities.org/resource%20guide.html#Kana

>>148315255
It's easy but it's not that common so it doesn't pop up often. That's what's frustrating about it.

>>148315753
write them on a piece of paper and stick em on your wall.

>>148315724
I was already using that on PC, didn't realize it was on android, thanks

私は腰の痛みが苦しみいる。

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>>148315918
I'm not Burgerstani, though.

>>148315838
>Do what asian kids are forced to do at school: writing lines for homework.
Isn't this true for the rest of the world too?

>>148316062
>苦しみいる
I should never use the form.

過疎ってる国の衰退してる言語を一生懸命勉強してどうする
かりに流暢になったとしてもその時にはアニメ業やエロゲ業も中国語に乗っ取られてるだろうし、少子化が続いて可愛い日本人のお姉さんも見つかりにくくなる

まじで頭どうかしてるよおまえら

Is there a subtle difference between 使う and 用いる that the dictionary software I use isn't getting through?

出来ぬさんでごさる

>>148314360
逆転裁判

I'm kind of confused what they mean by modify in this sentence.

２行目の「都市」を修飾するのは、どこからどこまでですか。

>>148316557
I know you.
You are ネトウヨ. LMAO.

>>148316708
難しそう

>>148316603
Maybe. A lot of dictionary software out there.
https://hinative.com/en-US/questions/18899

>>148314520
If the grammar in a sentence makes it incomprehensible for you chances that google will fuck it up are 100%.

>>148316733
どっちかというと左翼だけど
カリフォルニア州に住んでるし
>>148316731
私はおっきくて賑やかな都市に住んでいます

「おっきくて賑やかな」が「都市」を修飾している

>>148316812
Nothing to do with anime or manga.
Fuck off somewhere else and take your blog with you.

>>148316764
Thanks. I always get skeptical of my software whenever I get the same meaning for two words, even though I know some stuff does have the same meaning.

>>148316812
Thanks, I think I understand.

「世界によく知られている都市」が大丈夫ですか？

>>148314819
Oh shit I can read all of it.
Albatross here I go.

>>148314959
It's parodying Lovecraft.

>>148316966
>https://hinative.com/en-US/questions/905224
これだな

「都市」を修飾しているのは
>東京のような、世界によく知られている
の部分
東京のような都市
世界によく知られている都市

独りよがりな性質をもつ中国人が、他人を楽しませるものを作るなんて不可能

俺の「はなひらっ！」は振り仮名がいない
助けてください

>>148316812
I understood.
You are アスペ. LMAO.

>>148316557
>過疎ってる国
２０年にわたって12600万人全員死亡するか？

>>148316736
それはそうだ。
頑張って

>>148317118
そうですね、分かりました。ありがとう。

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何故「行った時」を使っているの？
「行く時」でもいいんじゃない？

>>148317172
漢は振り仮名なんか要らないでしょ

>>148317391
でも、初心者です

>>148317340
Yes, but it is fine in 行った because it is perfect tense and not past tense. That's why you say Xしたほうがいい instead of Xする方がいい

>>148317434
textoのhooker使用して
つーか、はなひらはクソすぎ、なんかもっとイイもん読め

>>148290967
>1159 due cards

Wew.

>>148317534
So that means 行く時 sounds awkward?

>>148317676
行く sounds like they frequently go to Japan (or you expect as much)
行った is like "In the event you go to Japan" where you don't really expect them to go a lot

>>148317729
ああ、なるほど
ありがとう、アノン先輩

>>148316731
>>148316812
この流れが意味不明なんだけど・・・
ポストが抜け落ちてる？

>>148317649
頑張っておきます。

>>148317340
行った時
行ったと仮定して日本に居る時

>>148317796
違うよ？
>私はおっきくて賑やかな都市に住んでいます
は勝ってに作った例文

>>148317986
勝手に作った文だとして
>I'm kind of confused what they mean by modify in this sentence.
>２行目の「都市」を修飾するのは、どこからどこまでですか。
に対する解答としておかしすぎる。

>go to conversation club
>Partner asks why you're learning Japanese

What do you say?