Is this the best scene in the Fate series?

>>148266582
Yes. Not the watered down version in the UBW TV anime though.

No. The porn in the games was way better!

>>148266662
>Archer while he was alive and the anime made it look like Archer after he became a CG. The irony is that even before he became a CG he was doing CG work
>Final ep was supposed to demonstrate that Shirou was going to be different from Archer since he is supposed to metaphorically take more steps than Archer did. And then what ended up in the episode almost implies the direct opposite.

Unlimited Budget Works

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No, this is.

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Will Fate threads ever be this fun again?

>>148266919
Nope. Prisma and Grand Order sealed the deal.

>>148266949
I blame Grand Order more than Prisma.

There will never be a sense of "Who the fuck is this Servant" ever again because every new thing ever is now using Servants already revealed on GO.

>>148266582
>fight scene
>secondary shit
>best scene of fsn

Nope.

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Reminder that Tohsaka a shit

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>>148267194

>>148267177
Sakura is still a shit tho

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>>148266582
No, this one is.

>>148266582
That isn't Hollow Ataraxia's finale or Gilgamesh's past in CCC.

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>>148267252

>>148266582
Best fight? Shirou vs Kotomine

Best scene? desperate threesome

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>>148267312
Stay mad Tohsakascum

>>148266919
Wasn't on /a/ for episode 16 of Fate Zero. Was there a big shitstorm?

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>He didn't cry at this
Do you have no soul?

>>148267383
>Liking wormslut
>being proud of it

>>148266582
This one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxSgw3XbFS0

>>148267681
Patrician taste

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>>148267681
Unpopular opinion: I like Fate and HF more than UBW because Kotomine has more screen time

>>148268004
That isn't an unpopular opinion at all.
Everybody knows that HF is good because of Kotomine.

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>>148267685
post more emiya family

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HF's best scenes>Fate's best scenes>UBW's best scenes

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>>148266582

It's the best scene and is made even better by the followup after the route ending. Even though it's a fight scene it has nothing to do with fighting, and has so much subtle nuance that it instantly allows one to detect retarded contrarians that don't understand it.

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HA's ending scene would have been the most perfect 9999999/10 ending for the entire Fate series. Try and prove me wrong.

Nope, any scene with Shirou (i.e. not Archer) in it is cringeworthy.
The best scenes in F/sn would be Lancer vs Archer (UBW), the chat about morality between Gil and Kotomine (HF), Kotomine running away from Assassin was great (HF). I guess Saber vs Gil was decent too, especially it's aftermath.

In F/Z that would be the talk among kings, everyone vs Caster's monster, Gil vs Iskandar and Kerry vs Kotomine.

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>>148268499
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne89qCOYIRg&list=PLgl8DlKgmx14A0du-FLhLYkODyGM3GcGH&index=26

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>>148268526

>>148268499
>not Bazette using Fragarach to cheat at Rock Paper Scissors
That's not the last scene in HA

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>>148268640
I should have said the entire ending sequence.

>>148267037
Strange fake seems like it has that feel from the little that I've seen of it.

>>148267037
All the more reason to ignore Grand Order's existence.

>>148266919
You weren't here on 2006 I take it?

Fate Zero was NOTHING compared to that, in fact obviously not only here but everywhere.

>>148268210
JAJAJAJA

>>148268110
this triggers me because its not possible.

>The Greek spelling, "Nerōn Kaisar", transliterates into Hebrew as נרון קסר or "nrvn qsr". Adding the corresponding values yields 666, as shown:

I get it now!

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Is UBW Shirou actually more powerful than Archer would have been?
The VN seems to imply that when Archer was alive he never actually had access to the ability to cast the reality marble.
Doesn't this mean that post-UBW Shirou, having gained the ability to utilize UBW, is more powerful than his Archer variant?
Not trying to start fate power level shitflinging, but I was thinking about it the other day and I'm just wondering if I'm full of shit for some reason.

Also, is it worth rereading this Realta Nua Vita version if I've only read the original with mirror moon + voices years and years ago?

>>148272775
Still doesn't have the mana to use it by himself

>>148272775
Since he had to receive magical energy from best girl to cast his reality marble, he isn't necessarily more powerful than Archer, as it's quite possible that the only thing stopping Archer using UBW in life was the same problem.

And no, if you've already read the VN once with voices, then it's not worth reading in the Realta Nua version. Literally the only difference is the H scenes.

>>148272775

>Q: In Saber Route, Shirou did not encounter Archer's Reality Marble "Unlimited Blade Works" and certainly did not learn it. If he were to train and attempt to develop it by himself, how long would it take?

>A: Ten years to master the basics, another ten years to become proficient at it...something like that.

He's gotten knowledge and experience bleedover from Archer in UBW so he'll advance his magic much faster than he did in Archer's timeline or in the above theoretical scenario.

He still can't cast UBW by himself though without extensive training.

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This by far.
Man tears.

>>148272998
>>148273008
>>148273024

Yes, the mana issue is a good point, but I wasn't necessarily talking about Shirou post-UBW being immediately as powerful as Archer.
Shirou has 27 magic circuits, and if he was capable of casting UBW with just a portion of Rin's mana supply, then I would think with a few years of real mage training under his belt he would likely be able to cast it with his own mana supply.
Regardless, my question was mostly based around whether or not Archer could actually cast UBW when he was alive, as the VN seems to imply he never learned it, but >>148273024
seems to imply that Fate Shirou might at some point.
I guess we may never know.

>>148273221
I interpreted it as Archer briefly gaining the ability to use UBW in life when he made his deal with Alaya.

As for Shirou being as powerful as Archer after a few years of training, I could see it. However, I could also see an argument be made that Archer's stats are higher than Shirou could ever achieve in life by his nature as a Servant. In the end, that bit comes down to personal interpretation.

>>148273333

Ah, maybe I worded it poorly.

I'm talking about the possibility of Post-UBW Shirou becoming more powerful than post-Alaya pre-servant Archer/Shirou would have been because of his unique access to UBW that Archer may not have had in his lifetime.

I hope that's clear.

>>148273449
Oh. Then yeah, Shirou could easily be at the same level as if not stronger than post-Alaya pre-death Archer.

UBW in all is the best route, but HF's climatic scenes are better (Sparks Liner High, Nine Bullets Revolver, Rin vs Sakura, Illya's sacrifice)

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>>148273132
>the scene
>velvet and gilgamesh after

>>148274199
Nah, UBW is only good if you like Shonenshit. The atmosphere of HF alone is better than everything in UBW

>>148274770
HF has very low re-read value, and its hard to sit through the first 10-12 days unless you really like Sakura or her character archtype, and even harder if you dislike her "true" character (growing to enjoy the murder, want to kill herself but can't, etc..) that was revealed as part of the route.

The pacing is also awkward. It relies on the atmosphere and intermission to keep you interested, but the plot barely moves in between significant events. Shinji kidnapping Sakura should've set off the plot, but after that series of event it went back to SoL + intermission until he kidnapped her again and she finally snapped, like 5-10 hours worth of content later

how do I get into Fate

I would rather not play a VN

>>148275835
Why not?
Can't you read?

>>148275835

Reading the VN is the best way.

The only way, really.

>>148275885
>>148275946
I have never actually played a VN, and I feel like it would take a lot longer than just watching an anime

if I have to do it I'll do it, I'm just a lazy fuck really

>>148276028
There's no other way to do it.

Also once you get yourself through one, you'll be much more open other VNs. Fate was my first, since then I've read a bunch of others which have really overall made my initial foray into the medium so worth it.

>>148276028

I can't deny that it would take a lot longer than watching an anime.
I think FSNs run time in its entirety is somewhere around 6-80 hours, so it's definitely a time investment.

That said, the only decent anime adaptation only covers one of the three routes, and the other adaptation is a mess that's mostly one route but incorporates aspects of others and is just generally all around bad. The third route has yet to be adapted.

Basically, just read the VN. Will it take awhile? Yes. Is it worth it? Also yes.

>>148276028
A word of warning, the first route is generally considered the worst one by most, though you might find things you like about it. It suffers from having to info dumb and set up the next routes so you'll just have to power through if you really dislike it. Stopping at the first route is really like experiencing only the first third of a book.

>>148276226
*info dump

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>no sparks high liner
Anime only shitters

>>148276226

I think the biggest problem with the Fate route is that it takes awhile to really get and gear, but once it gets going it's good, just the worst of the three. Doesn't make it bad itself.
It's the same problem HF suffers from really, and while controversial every time its posted, I think most would agree that it's the best route.

>>148276288

>Sparks high liner

There's only two things I need in life before I can die. Ufotable to not fuck up Nine Bullet Revolver, and a Sparks Liner High OVA.

>>148276133
>>148276150
>>148276226
alright I'll just go for it then, are all the parts are just in one visual novel? Or is there some order I'm supposed to play multiple games in

>>148276441

There's actually two versions that exist.
The original version is all contained in one .exe with the routes access by certain choices (though you're still locked into a certain route order)
Realta Nua (Some new CGs, soundtrack modified a bit, H-scenes removed (though capable of being patched in)) contains three different .exes for the three routes.
It doesn't really matter which you play, as the content is essentially exactly the same. Realta Nua takes a little bit of extra work to get up and running though.

>>148268199
Fuck man, that scene wrecks me every time.

>>148276441
Play the Realta Nua version. I don't know how anyone could play the original version, it's so shit.

>>148276986

?
They're almost exactly the same

>>148276441
http://pastebin.com/9gd93F4s

Game installation - unpack everything, copy the crack into their respective folder, no need for installation or anything. Rename the folder and the crack so that it doesn't have any weird looking symbol (like the forward slash)

English patch, just follow the read me.

>>148276327

I'd really like a Hollow Ataraxia anime

>>148266582
>Kotomine vs Shirou in HF
>Dracula Vlad vs everyone in Apo
>Gorgon scene in HA
>Final battle in HA

No, it's not.

>>148276288
SLH is overrated shit.

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>>148266582

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Followed by Nine Lives Blade Works was the hypest shit. I swear to god Ufotable better not fuck up this scene.

>>148278550
They can't, it and Kotomine vs Shirou are the pinnacle of HF

>>148278587

The team fight with Rider vs Saber Alter too.

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>>148266919
Never forget.

>>148266582
HF Normal end. It had that depressing Tsukihime ending feel to it.

>>148266919
No because Bucher > Nasu

>>148276295

People kind of change their tune about HF all the time though, and some of the arguments about it make no sense. Let's review:

>Sakura in bed sick all the time and doesn't contribute anything

False. We see that Sakura desperately wants to help a lot of the time, despite her condition, and literally has to be forced to go to bed, and she has some of the more sobering talks with Shirou in the route primarily because she blithely talks about her life from a neutral standpoint. The memes about her being just a jealous person who hates everyone conveniently forget the talks she has with Shirou about magecraft, and the fact she understood a long time ago that she either could endure or die like a dog in the basement. It's a fatalistic viewpoint to be sure, but it's understandable. Hell, she risked herself sending Rider to the Temple against Zouken since we now know she is almost always fatally low on life force and mana, plus Zouken can remote detonate her heart whenever he wants.

>There isn't anything but SoL or cooking

There is about as much as other routes, HF just happens to make the most of the two week period, so it feels like it drags because you get a lot of character interaction that isn't skipped or condensed. But what is there is really important, because it foreshadows something else, which leads me into my next point.

>Nothing happens in the beginning

We get stuff pertinent to the plot quite early on. Ilya and Shirou's interaction and Ilya's very important talk about the Third and soul transferring (something people who called Shirou getting the doll body in HF True a Deus Ex Machina completely forget), Rin's misunderstanding about Sakura's life, Sakura and Shirou going over aspects of how they met and their lives together so far. Quite a lot of stuff happens that supports the rest of the route and the themes of the game as a whole, almost too much really.

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>>148278660
>Mighty Wind starts playing

>>148266582
RANSAA GA SHINDAA!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gKf7RtrUys

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>>148266582
>>148268199

"Monster, not" ranks up there. Looking forward to the voiced translation for this scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayPMwCbZDz0

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>>148276028
VNs are far more fun than any anime.

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>>148278445
>>148278550
>lose arm
>get Archer's arm
>get told to never, ever, unseal it
>time gap experiences
>start doing crazy shit only Archer would do
>"oh hey the arm is starting to influence me"
>Herc goes crazy
>chases him and Illya
>that entire scene where he and Kotomine escape
>the way he's described as being physically fucked to the point where he can hardly breath due to running at a constant 50 km/h
>arrive at field
>Herc's caught up
>telling Illya to go and hide, she doesn't have to worry
>"yeah alright, whatever is he going to do against Herk-"
>NLBW

I don't think anything can compare to the buildup and that single amazing fight.
Except for Shirou vs. Kirei.

Is HF the best route if I have a savior complex?

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>>148282966
>wrong image
Fuck.

>>148283005
That's Fate or UBW unless you only wanna save a select few amount of people.

>>148274199
Yeah, this is 100% correct.

HF had much higher highs, and much lower lows, but UBW was at least consistent

>>148276028
Just as a comparison if you read and listen through the voiced version of Fate at a decent auto-read setting that approximately matches the audio pace and go through all 40 bad ends as well as the regular endings then all three routes can take 168 hours for 100% completion. An actual week of playthrough time. If you don't bother with the voiced version and especially if you skip the bad ends by using a walkthrough you get through it much faster.

>>148268499
>All the servants, even fucking Gil are fighting
>Lancer is just sitting there
Never understood this

Is this suicide or masturbation?

>>148266582
UBW is trash.

>>148267373
God I miss Arihiko. Broest man alive

As much as I love UBW, HF last night is just perfect
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6wLHKS6EOko

>>148266582
>the best scene in the Fate
>not tohsaka anus

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HF fucking when

>>148266582
That scene was shit in the anime...

>>148268720
Why didn't he fight?

>>148276288
Normal End please

I like Mind of Steel.

How come UBW gets 25 episode anime but HF only gets a movie.

No

It's "King of heroes, do you have enough swords?"

>>148268076
HF is good if you're interested in cooking.

>>148275835

I got into it by watching the Deen show

But you should probably just read the VN

>>148285643
3 movies

>>148266662
The Ufotable version would've been the best had they made better choreography and removed those retarded giant swords.

>>148285800
How come UBW gets 25 episodes anime but HF only gets a rushed adaptation? (1 or 3 movies, it will be bad)

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>>148280494
Unpopular opinion time!

I like Kotomine more before he turned
>LUL FOR THE EVULZ

Fate is also my favourite route.

>>148285944
As long you don't consider Fate perfect and know that this route has so many problems, it's good anon.

Zero Kirei was great.

>>148280690
I truly felt the weight of Shirou's sacrifice in the normal end. Having him lose himself every step he takes had me choking up like a bitch

>>148280690
HF's true end is really great. Shirou's sacrifice is really a sacrifice without getting a free body and Sakura spends the rest of her life alone after all she did.

>>148285944
Fate is also my favorite route, probably due to a combination of being the first thing I ever saw from the franchise, which left a strong impression and Saber being my favorite character.

But I still think it has 3 major problems:
- It has to serve as an introduction to almost everything and everyone
- After Nasu used it to get a hold of the character's personalities and do some cool stuff in UBW and HF he never came back to improve it
- The King of Brittain falling for a 18-for-legal-reasons japanese boy made no sense.

Still love it though.

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I've got the greatest scene from the Fate series right here

>>148288304
For some reason I was expecting heart-ripping, not sure how to feel about this. I'll get to watching Mahou Shoujo Illya & Friends one of these days.

>>148266582
so how many of the fate games/shows are part of the 'canon'? Theres the main series, zero, fake, and what else?

>>148288304
It's easy to burn all your budget into this and the season finale...

>>148289692
*and not

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>>148289198
Might be wrong here but these are the ones that are the same canon

Fate/Stay Night, Fate/Zero and Fate/Hollow Ataraxia

Fate/Extra, Fate/Extra CCC, Fate/Extra CCC Fox Tail and Fate/Extella

And all the rest are their own canon.

All of them are actually canon though because alternate timelines.
Same goes for all other Type/moon titles as far as i know

>>148277926
i would LOVE a f/ha anime, doesn't even matter what studio adapts it. i just want to see it in motion

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>>148288304
>kaleid anime
>"greatest * from the Fate series"

>>148289886
What would Fate as a Romeo and Juliet type drama look like?

>>148290068
But FHA isn't good.

>>148290573
ok

>>148268199
Good taste.

>>148285809
>choreography
Really this is to be expected. I am watching anime not a fucking 3D show.

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No, this is

>>148292365
There's no happiness here since Illya dies one year later anyway.

>>148290068
But most of it its just filler

>>148278587
>Kotomine vs Shirou is the pinnacle of F/SN

Fixed it for you.

>>148285916
as long as the contents the cut are the cooking scenes it'd be fine

Are there any updates on the voice patch for HA?

>>148294934
>cooking scenes
If they get removed, then one things's for sure: People will hate the shit out of Rin, because those were pretty much the only scenes in the route where she showed any kind of compassion.

So I haven't kept up with all the various games where a bunch of servants are introduced. How many of the people from saga of the Volsung's are servers?

>>148295121
well this is wormslut route

>>148285809
>The Ufotable version would've been the best
>with that shit soundtrack
Nope.

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>>148268548
fuck

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So did Rin get preggo after this?

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>>148296109

>>148296204
>I value others who I don't even care about over myself
If he values them then doesn't he care about them? Wouldn't a better phrasing be just 'i value others over myself' or 'others ive never met'?

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>>148266582
No, this is.

Should I read hollow ataraxia without the voice acting?

>>148296418
I think he's mixing up his personality with Shirou's.

>>148296537
Yeah.

>>148284511
>>148285345
Maybe he knew what was actually happening so he say no reason to fight.

>>148292365
If Illya got her own route, what bullshit would they come up for Illya to not die within the year?

>They find the philosopher's stone
>Illya's route is the only route where the grail isn't corrupted?
>Illya reveals that the only way for her to live longer is to have sex constantly
>Writers retcon her backstory and she happily lives a long life

What do you guys think

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>>148296537
>>148296750

>>148296795
There are far more plausible routes, to be honest.
Iri herself was modified after creation, so they could do the same to Illya as well.
But really, the more sensible option would be a slightly altered version of HF where Shirou doesn't become sword so that Illya doesn't need to use the third to bring him back.
She could instead use it on herself and anchor her soul to a new homunculus/puppet body.

>>148296795
I imagine it would have to include Zeltrech and creating a new grail. It would make sense. You've covered the Emiya family, the Tohsaka, and the Matous/Makiris. The true final route could be the Einzberns and fixing that situation.

It would be interesting for Shirou to meet Acht.

>>148287009

>The King of Brittain falling for a 18-for-legal-reasons japanese boy made no sense.

Love has no age anon

>>148297556
Still it doesn't change fact that Saber as characters totally unfitting for classic romance.

>>148297691

No, she is fit for it because she isn't ONLY King Arthur, the girl Arturia lived inside her as well

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Best route, best girl, and best pairing.

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Anyone have the picture where Kiri blows up Hotwheel's building?

>>148298170
Dude, portraying Saber as classic love interest is totally against her character. Even Nasu admited that. You should realise that she is basically written as "male character". So if you want start romance with her, without hurting her character, then you must portray whole thing as romance with "male character". Basically make Shirou and her, romantic buddies, which eventualy turn into something more, but just not classic romance. Fate route it does totaly wrong, so no wonder, that Nasu expesed desire to rewrite whole thing one day. Best portrayal of ShirouXSaber relationship, in my opinion, is in UBW route.

>>148298862
What's wrong with romancing a male(female)?

>>148298862

>Dude, portraying Saber as classic love interest is totally against her character. Even Nasu admited that.

You're missing the point

Saber did had a girlish side, she just happened to emotionally stump this side because of her role as a king, the Fate route makes her act like a human again and therefore be able to reconnect with that side of hers

This is followed on F/HA and so on

Nasu never said any of that btw, he did recognize that there are some things that he would change in Fate like how Shirou behaved regarding Saber after her first battle with Berserker because the picture of Saber being male was still too strong in his head

Nowadays, since he has a more complete control of her character, that won't be needed

>>148284511
>>148285345

There was no point, instead he chose to watch Bazett's last moments.

>>148298958
It's not wrong. You just must portray it in that way. As romance between two males, where one of them is actually female.

>>148299289
>You're missing the point
No, you just probably don't understand what I mean by "classic romance".

>Saber did had a girlish side
Yes, she has, but before you get into it, you must deal with hers male side. And that's what Fate route does not do correctly.

>Nasu never said any of that btw
Nasu directly said that romance in Fate route would need to be completely rewritten, if he ever get chance, because is full of beginners' mistakes which he now realizes, so he would write it differently.

>how Shirou behaved regarding Saber after her first battle with Berserker
This exactly is one of big mistakes of whole thing.

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>>148300298
>Nasu could rewrite Fate right now
>instead makes mad dosh with Grand Order

Can't blame him desu

>>148300298

>No, you just probably don't understand what I mean by "classic romance".

A "boy meets girl" kinda story right? There is no problem with that

>Yes, she has, but before you get into it, you must deal with hers male side. And that's what Fate route does not do correctly
Look there is no "male side". The King Arthur personality Saber took was completely machine one like, without the capability of properly understanding or expressing feelings
I do agree the execution of Saber "defrosting" leaves a little to be desired in the original VN but it still makes sense plot wise and it was marginally better in the RN version
>Nasu directly said that romance in Fate route would need to be completely rewritten, if he ever get chance, because is full of beginners' mistakes which he now realizes, so he would write it differently.
No he never said that, he said he would write a few thing differently because now he is a more experienced writer

At the time he had a hard time writing Saber because he was still thinking of her as a male, that's it. Now that he is more experienced he doesn't has this problem anymore

>This exactly is one of big mistakes of whole thing.

This is exactly what Nasu said he would change, he only did that because he felt the need to reassure for himself that the Saber he was writing was a female one

And even so what happened in the beginning of the route is completely absent near the end of it

Nowadays he doesn't has this problem anymore

The structure of the romance itself has no problem, the only problem was in it's execution

>>148267087
They say the opposite in the japanese text

>>148301128
>A "boy meets girl" kinda story right?
No, "classic romance" is story that is stuck with classic archetypes of strong and protecting male and supple and loving female. Where male is usually portrayed as significant and more dominant, while female is more about emotions than action. Basically imagine anything from Red Library.
You should admit that Saber is too strong and significant character for such kind of story.

>Look there is no "male side".
Maybe I should say "male shell".

>No he never said that, but he actually said that, because I don't know what say here.
Dude, you should stop quibble here.

>Nowadays he doesn't has this problem anymore.
Not really, he just "consider" FSN as closed thing, and he doesn't like repairing old things without some significant reason. Basically only chance for "repaired" Fate route would be some completely new project like another Anime adaptation. But that's unlikely to happen in near future.