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This guy gives those vibes
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>>148164464
i bet he pooped out whis and vados and other attendants after zeno-sama mpregnated him
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>>148164464
I LOVE BEERUSSAMA!
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>>148164464
can't wait for the overthrow the gods arc
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BoG was 2 years later. they said that specifically.

Pan being born so early is a retcon and she's not even a year old yet.

Trunks is 10-11 years old
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>>148164528
I love Vados-chan!
more of her please.
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>>148164577

I love Whis!
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itt: filthy ningens
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Could SSG Goku or Vegeta beat Kid Buu? Keep in mind neither of them came anywhere near him in terms of fighting power and the only reason Goku won is because he used the cheap Deus-Ex move aka "Job bomb"
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>>148165393
Are youc fucking stupid? Kid Buu wasn't even Buus strongest form and anyone post BoG could easily destroy Buu in any form.
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>>148165393
goku already admitted he could've beat kid buu by himself as a ssj3 but he dragged on the fight so vegeta could have a turn...which resulted in goku getting tired out and losing energy and kid buu just kept regenerating ...kid buu would get annihilated against god goku and vegeta
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>>148165393
I feel like SSG form Goku would match Kid Buu blow for blow but probably wouldn't exceed him by much. Kid buu is Nigh indestructable and basically just a ball of infinite chaotic energy.It's hard to say how current Goku would fair against him. He can certainly be daunted, but I'm not sure if you could defeat him just by beating him up or blasting him to smithereens.
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>>148164464
Makes me want to cut his head right off, with a blunt rusty knife :)
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>>148164464
this guy so based.
he could fuck vados in front of whis both together wouldn't be able to do shit.
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>>148165764
>giving him (you)s for such shitty bait
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>>148165393
They'd smash his ass. Full power SSJ3 Goku would have been even with Kid Buu, but the power drain of that form coupled with Buu's ridiculous stamina caused him to lose. Kid Buu was significantly weaker than Buuhan, who got wrecked by Vegito, meaning Vegito would have trashed Kid Buu. In BoG, Goku states that not even a Fusion of himself and Veggie would give him enough power to fight Beerus. Since Gogeta never happened in the manga or anime, we're to assume he means Vegito. SSJG gave Goku the power to fight Beerus somewhat evenly, though Beerus was still holding back a good amount. Even so, in his suppressed state Beerus is still obviously stronger than Kid Buu.

tl;dr Yes, SSJG Goku or Vegeta would smash Kid Buu. That's not to mention SSJ Blue.
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>>148165785
That's not true. Goku said he thinks he might of been able to beat Fat Buu as a SSJ3. In the fight with Kid Buu he was actually trying his hardest but realized that he wasn't very accustomed to the SSJ3 form and losing stamina quickly. In fact he asked Vegeta to stall Buu for a while so he could gather his energy.You're mixing up the scenes.
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>>148165915
If you were actually baiting and just caused me to nerd out and give a long-winded explanation about this shit, kudos I guess
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>>148165836
You will probably die without even coming close to him. His powerlevel has to be absolutely enormous, any mortal would probably turn to dust near him instantly.
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>>148165926
He said that about both of them. I'll find the source if you want but I really hope you do it yourself because I'm incredibly fucking lazy
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>>148164464
I wanna fuck his face.
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>>148166017
I use to have the scans but not anymore. (I want to be a nitpicky asshole and say that I'm counting the manga specifically)
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>tfw you pulled AGL SSJ2 Gohan (Youth) with your WT GSSR summon
>he will never get a rebirth
>not even a gohanfag when i say that he just outright sucks
post recent dokkan pulls
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>>148165984
My God, I need a longer range knife
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Why do people think these guys are strong? I think they have "fodder" written all over them. Not only there are two of them, they are basically same-face mooks. They also act all snobby and important, and you know this type of characters are usually trash. I'm not saying they are weak, but I doubt they are stronger than Whis for example.
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>>148166202
http://www.mangareader.net/dragon-ball/511/13

I too lost all my scans.

And that's generally what I do, manga is god
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>>148166364
That art lmao look like straight taken out of a cartoon. Holy fuck if that's not a fanart super really is worse than i imagined
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>>148166364
If anything I expect them to be sort of like Zeno on a smaller scale. I wouldn't exactly call Zeno "strong", he can just erase something by willing it. That's not even a power level anymore, that's just shenanigans.
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>>148165926
Goku flat out said he could handle Kid Buu with a fully powered SS3.

That makes Kid Buu a fucking ant compared to SSG.
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>>148166568
The way I always see it is: anyone Vegito could have beaten, SSJG Goku or Vegeta can beat. Vegito could have wrecked literally anything in DBZ, so everything pre-BoG would be fucked against SSJG.
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>>148166479
It's the usual toriyama art style since the beginning the whole "they don't look strong but once they do something HOLY SHIT"
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>>148166497
Zeno has powerlevel of 880 septillion (880 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000.
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>>148166706
nah it's ∞
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>>148164464
This guy would 100% kill you in your sleep
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>>148166706
That is well over 8000
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>>148165393
Kid Buu is by far the weakes form of Buu, Goku says that even a full power fusion from Goku and Vegeta wouldn't even scratch the likes of (heavily supressed) God tiers.
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>>148164464
Is he supposed to look like a shota or just a manlet?
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>>148166813
He's stronger than Fat Buu and possibly Evil Buu but weaker than base Super Buu and any of Super Buu's absorption forms.
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>>148166706
>muh power levels

Zeno is the god of all gods, his power is infinite you mongrel.
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>>148166923
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>>148166923
>kami
>king kai
>polar kais
>grand kai
>supreme kai
>gods of destruction
>god of the multiverses

>implying he won't keep adding layers of gods like he always has
>implying we won't see dragon gods in the next iteration of dragon ball
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>>148166325
Or, something ballistically similar to a long-range knife, I guess
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well I'll be mongrel

does the carpet matches the drapes
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wait body switching what? let me get this straight. zamasu has gokus body, and therefore goku has zamasu's body. Then goku with zamasus body was killed.

Then who is the zamasu next to him?
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>>148166683
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>>148167190
He is also Zamasu.
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>>148167190
zamasu is the zamasu in trunks' timeline
black is zamasu from another timeline
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>>148167166
Well Toriyama is considered the "supreme ruler" of the whole Dragon Universe so I guess he's above Zen-chan
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>>148166325
>>148165984
>>148165836
>>148167172
reminds me of this
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>>148167190
three Zamasu so far
>present one killed by beerus
>future one is imortal
>Zamasu from yet another timeline is Black now
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>>148167219
yup at heart akira is just a gag artist that loves to draw goofy but yet stupidly powerful characters.
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>>148167327
daily reminder that future trunks inadvertently created black and thus caused the deaths of countless kais and the extinction of many different ningen races that zamasu could have never touched
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>>148167301
hax
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>>148167464
you know she can do it huh just use that knife and end zeno right there
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>>148167179
>yaranaika Brolly
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>>148167301
Why does type moon over promise and under deliver on everything? My theory - too eager to show off all their tricks. Keep all that hot, sexy dry powder in reserve
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>>148167401
and his characters that look strong usually don't end up being that strong

>In my works, “guys who seem like they ought to be strong are actually weak.” ……Like Nappa. (laughs)
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>>148167689
Disclaimer: this is the casual opinion of a complete amateur who literally doesn't know anything about anything
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>>148167690
He probably started that trend in current shonens when huge muscular guys = jobbers and short lean guys = actual powerhouses.
Although One Piece is the exception since most of it's top tiers are huge buff guys.
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>took on ss3 goku no problem
>can turn people into food
>even trunks was blown away at ss3 so buu must still be one of the most powerful after vegeta
>no screentime ever
>almost flight in the tournament
>fell asleep
>hoping he'll be used in the world's tournament
>probably won't

End my suffering
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>>148167871
Or with Bleach and Naruto being the most fabulous is the power house.
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>>148167849
when will chiaotzu get his time to shine? who cares about these blue saiyans
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>>148167935
fat buu isn't even the real buu but a fake just a fragment of the real thing.
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>>148167530
Man, it depends. Zeno could just blink her out of existence. Any of the high-tier Z characters could annihilate her shit effortessly, they'd just have to do it before she could fucking stab their stupid death point
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>>148167797
Seconded
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>>148156799
>defending toei

Why even bother? And why even remind people that GT exists while attempting to do so?

>>148156109
I have no idea what these images are supposed to demonstrate. That manga Trunks has purple hair (no shit)? Is that, in turn, supposed to demonstrate that Toei...didn't fuck up by hilariously attempting to backpedal with his palette over thirty episodes into the series?

>Bulma: The unconscious person inside... Is >he a young man with blue hair?
>Kid Trunks: Yeah, he is.
>Bulma: This is bad!

I guess we're supposed to pretend that kid Trunks has blue hair, now. lol. They fucked up and gave Vegeta red hair back when they had him appear initially, but black hair later on. Toei should just swap Kid Trunks's hair out, so that fans will stop asking stupid questions about supposed alternate universe Trunks shenanigans while giving them more credit than they're due.
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>>148167935
He only took on a heavily suppressed SSJ3 Goku. SSJ3 Goku going all-out would have fucking murderstomped Fat Buu. Hell, so would SSJ3 Gotenks.
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Do you actually like DB Super or is this an /a/ meme?

Its so fucking cheap and goofy.
>oh beerus is the strongest in the universe
>wait there is sayan god
>quick guys press your hands on my back
>become sayan god

LIKE WTF? I loved DBZ. It had the rivalry between two sayans and everytime another new endboss showed up they went full rocky and trained like crazy for multiple episodes just two stop the enemy from killing all their friends.
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>>148168316
>b-but Toei can do no wrong, desu
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>>148167690
and another thing he does. bringing characters in sets of two

>“Guess it’s about time I brought out a good-lookin’ feller1, too!” …I thought. (laughs) And so Whis was born. Well, more so than a “good-lookin’ feller”, he became a character who’s sort of naïvely oblivious, but as a result, I came to like this one quite a bit too. So, Beerus and Whis. Bringing them out in sets of two might also be a characteristic of my stories.

Vegeta and Nappa. Kibito and Kaiōshin… when they first appear, these characters certainly do often come in pairs.

>That way, I’m able to explain the characters and their relationship to each other through their interactions. In my case, I feel that it isn’t good to insert too much narration. I suppose Goku and Bulma are representative of that
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…Ah, now that you mention it, you’re right!

>As a child, Goku doesn’t know anything [of the world], so without Bulma, he’d be a character who didn’t say anything. (laughs)

I see! So that relationship has been firmly passed down to the relationship between Beerus and Whis.

>For parts like where he wakes up for the first time in 39 years, Whis clarifies things for the sake of exposition. No narration necessary.
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>>148168316
thank god we can have the manga/anime discussion again thank you anon
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>>148168397
>and another thing he does. bringing characters in sets of two
he still does till this day.
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>>148168343
I think most people know Super is a pile of garbage, we're just watching it for the nostalgia. But Beerus is my favorite character next to Vegeta, I love that fucking cat.
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do you think trunks should be bumped a bit
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Reminder that Buu saga kicks ass
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>>148168757
Buu was such a terribly boring villain anon
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>>148168706
He should at least be 70 at this point
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>>148168110

You talking shit Bitch nigga?
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>>148168594
You don't speak for me, faggot. I've been enjoying Super since the U6 Tournament.
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>>148168594
aren`t you angry what they made out of vegeta?

I stopped watching db super when vegeta was kneeling before beerus and made him food.
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>>148169076
I didn't say 100% of people hate it, you gay sack of dicks. (Tournament was pretty cool though)

>>148169099
As a Vegetafag, yes, I'm fucking mad. But I can forgive Vegeta bitching out to Beerus, given that he knew absolutely none of them stood a fucking chance against that broke-ass cat and not groveling would end up with the entire planet destroyed.
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>>148168997
yes that's exactly what fat buu is excrement shot out by kid buu that he doesn't need anymore.
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>>148168343
See you next week
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>>148168853
Super Buu was pretty great and legit scary, back when he showed up on Kami's lookout.

And then absorbing Piccolo just made him even better.

(cloning Saiyan Saga Piccolo's exact dialogue)
>That really hurt, didn't it, Gohan? Facing your fears would've been far less painful.

>You're the monster who devoured everyone we care about!
>Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Yes, I suppose I did. But you were supposed to stop me.

King of Trolls.

Buu Saga had other problems. It would've been nice if everyone who wasn't a saiyan hadn't become a bystander by this point.
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EPISODE 62 SPOILERS OUT

Synopsis: He will protect his own world! Anger Trunks !! Goku and the others lead a tough fight against Zamasu and Black. But Trunks tells Goku and the others to go to the past, and he will face Black alone! (Translation DB-Z.com: Please credit us if you take our translation)

This week, Goku: To learn Mafuba, Goku goes to Master Roshi! Trunks asks Goku to find a way to kill Zamasu and Black. It is with this objective that Goku back in time to learn Mafuba the side of Master Roshi
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>>148167849
Goku and him have never had a conversation. I mean, he's yelled stuff about him or to him once or twice I guess.
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>>148170033
MAFUBA

I knew it
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So is Black still the best male character on Super so far?
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>>148170054
Dragonball Dissection touches on this. In the manga, Goku never speaks to Chiaotzu directly even once.
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>>148170222
Yes
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>>148170033
Holy shit
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>>148170033
what does this spoiler mean does trunks get a power up or no?
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leaks out lads for 62.
goku gonna learn mafuba...wow
well the anons who got it right you guys are good procrastinators
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>>148170222
I like Hit, but Black has more swagger so yes.
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>>148170289
Well, it's pretty much the only thinkable way to defeat an immortal being who is evil. I just didn't think they'd actually do it.

Why not just get Tien to do it? He knows how. I'm sure he's aching to be useful.
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>>148170289
>goku,trunks,vegeta fight black and zamasu.
but trunks sends vegeta and goku back to the pass and asks goku to find a way to finally beat zamasu and black.

goku goes to kame house to ask master roshi about the mafuba.
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>>148170033
Wouldn't that kill Goku too?
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>>148169887
I suppose I can agree with all of that. I just got sick of Buu's regeneration shenanigans. He was fatally wounded by pretty much every fucking Z fighter there was. Cell could regenerate too, but he barely ever had to. Buu literally crutched on it. It just felt so cheap. Majin Vegeta would have ended the thread if the regen wasn't so dully OP.
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>>148170033
>Mafuba

FUCK SUPER
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>>148170289
Vegeta is going to come back to find Trunks dead, isn't he?
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>>148170222
>best male character
>Beerus exists
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>>148170381
Only if you miss
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then what's trunks "super power" is?
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>>148170033
>>148170289
Gay and fake.
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>>148170468
vegeta's fierce battle is probably vegeta having nightmares of black killing trunks lol
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>>148170033
>>148170289
>I was right
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>>148170504
The same rage boost that gave SSJ2 Vegeta the power of SSJ3. Except since Trunks is already SSJ3 level he'll be SSB level.
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>>148165764
Kid buy was the strongest
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>>148170573
thats gay.
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>>148170575
So you are fucking stupid. Thanks for clearing it up.
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>they're actually going to fucking trap Zamasu in a teapot
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>>148170631
what did you expect? some new transformation?
than the merchandise would have spoiled it a while ago.
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>>148170289
I mean mafuba is a solution but piccolo jr found a way to counter it and that was back in the original dragonball days. Isn't that move a lillte bit too outdated and weak to use it on someone of that level?
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>>148170708
A fitting end for him.

t. Gowasu
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>>148168397
>>148168490
There's a name for 'having a second character for a primary character to interact with so that they can expound without breaking the fourth wall' but I don't remember it
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>>148170821

I dunno, we'll literally have to wait and see won't me?
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>>148170575
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>this will likely happen
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>>148170821
>Isn't that move a lillte bit too outdated and weak to use it on someone of that level?
Probably they will weaken Black and Zamasu before using it first
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>Tien already knows the Mafuba and would probably be glad to help Trunks save his future
>Goku is going to learn it instead and probably fuck it up

I know it's a losing battle but I'll keep waiting patiently for Tien to be able to do anything in Super

At least Yamcha got to slap Beerus on the back without getting killed for it
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>>148168706
So
where's Gohan on that list
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>>148171040
tienfags have woken up.
BEWARE
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>>148171064
not a Tienfag, I just think not using him in the one circumstance where he could be helpful is a shame
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>>148171041
gohans that are alive are living the good life with a sexy robot girlfriend and being a scholar
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>>148171041
Who?
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>>148171139
>sexy robot girlfriend
I feel like I am missing something here
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>>148170750
thats still stupid without a god form how will he stand up against black and zamasu? fucking gay
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>>148170656
Having fat buu inside was a handicap no matter how many other people he added. Without fat buu his true power was left unrestrained.
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lol
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>>148170033
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Question

How do Chichi's, Bulmas, Videls and Mai's bodies handle it without breaking
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Let's be real, we all know that Goku will fuck up the Mafuba.
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>>148165764
Ok. BoG Yamcha.
You said ANYONE didn't you?
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>>148170289
wow and i thought it couldn't end shittier.
they gonna use mafuba. much creativity fuck this shit i am out
see ya on sunday morning
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>>148171530
Toriyama probably wakes up in cold sweat with his merchandise cash every morning, and remembers that he wish he toke his own words during the time when he was young
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>>148171818
Yep, then as he's dying he presses his D.E.M. button and arc ends.
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>>148171818
imagine tien safing the day
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>the only way to beat immortality is with immortality
>they bring Roshi to the future
>Roshi is given one last hurrah and written out of the story as the man who saved the future
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>>148165764
>anyone
>Krillin, Yamcha, Tien, Videl, Mr. Satan, 18, Dende, Popo, Pilaf, Shu, Mai, Bulma's parents, the random citizens of Earth
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>>148171902
He wipes his sweat off with 10k yen bills.
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i want to fuck zamasu
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>>148171954
Then he gets to become the hero of the future, and gets to be one of sole men that will repopulate the world with Trunks
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>>148168316
Kek. That never gets old.
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Leave Zamasu to me.
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>>148166970
>>148167179
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>>148172005
Get a load of this Ningen
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>trunks not getting even a new god form
>not even ssj3
>some shitty sealing move
fuck this gay earth
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>WAHHHHH DEUX EX MACHINA BUTTON NO CREATIVITY F-FUCK YOU TORIYAMA

>WAHHHHHHH THEY'RE JUST GOING TO WISH IT AWAY WITH THE SUPER DRAGON BALLS NO CREATIVITY F-FUCK YOU TORIYAMA!!

>WAHHHHH NOT THE MAFUBA NO CREATIVITY F-FUCK YOU TORIYAMA
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>>148171182
The real Videl died giving birth to Pan, as a way to cope with his grief Gohan built a robot replacement and now just pretends like nothing happened. Everyone just goes along with it
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>>148171896
>muh creativity
I swear you people would find a way to cry about a lack of creativity in a senerio where Cthulhu came down and defeated Zamasu.
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>>148172205
But SSJ3 is fucking worthless desu

>>148172209
Angry Toei-sucking Superfag detected
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>>148172261
Why do you faggots defend this shit show like it can do no wrong, seriously? Just accept that you like something that isn't very good. It's really not that big of a deal.
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>>14817220
thats the thing why need the shitty sealing move where they have THE KING OF EVERYTHING BUTTON RIGHT THERE IN GOKU'S GI'S POCKET
jesus christ this is bad i'm starting to believe that scene is filler and toei being retarded again
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>>148172061
Go right ahead
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>>148172205
>SSJ3
Shit meme form, Trunks can go SSJ10 and still wouldn't be able to kill somebody who is immortal.

>God form
When will you retards learn that you can't get God ki through stupid monkey rage autism?
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>>148172245
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>>148172264
at least a new from but nope just a shitty rage boost like obviously it didn't do jack shit last time
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>>148171741
chuckle worthy
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>>148172446
Hush, Freezer. Enjoy your cocoon.
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>>148172005
Go on...
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>>148170821
That was also like the 3rd time it was used against Piccolo who knew it was their main plan to stop him.
Zamasu doesn't even know it exists so he wouldn't think to reverse it
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>>148172061
"Don't worry guys, I got Black too"
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>>148172205
why do idiots keep thinking trunks is capable of going ssj3? stop bringing this up, he can't. were people really expecting him to don blue hair without any extra training? he would have done it by now if it were that easy. goddamn.
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>>148172446
>wanting a shitty rage boost
look what it got trunks last time after seeing mai's "death" it did not do jack shit to black

with out a god from trunks is going to job hard
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I want fuck over Zamasu and his plans
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>>148172672
Gowasu pls go
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>>148172342
They wouldn't want to anger Zeno for messing with time. For once goku might be using his head.
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>>148172722
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>>148172595
>why do idiots keep thinking trunks is capable of going ssj3?
cause seeing goku using it? like gotenks, but nope not even a new from or at least trunks having his moment of beating a big bad.
just jobbing like always akira's writing is shitty like always goku saving the day yet again bravo toei and akira bravo.
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>>148172826
but he's saving the day, not goku
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>>148172736
>goku using his head
haha if he really want to end it and have a happy ending he would've of told zeno the truth and being straight up with him and ask for his help but nope just another toei filler scene again
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>>148168333
nice bait
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>>148172905
>goku
>learning
it's goku will learn a new move beating a big bad episode again like the spirt bomb or some new from super saiyan again episode
this is worse than gt and i couldn't even believe it it would be possible.
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>>148173002
>I don't know what I'm talking about
>Must be bait
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>>148170821
>>148170885
What if someone holds the jar in place?
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>>148170575
How?
They didn't even need to fuse to compete with him
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This is the perfect chance to bring Piccolo to the future, he should know how to use the Mafuba, given that he knew the counter to it.

Sorry, Tenshinhan fans.
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This is the perfect chance to bring Goten to the future, he and Trunks fused into Gotenks would be unstoppable.

Sorry, Vegito fans.
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>>148173451
Delete this. Right now.
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>>148173525
>gotenfags being retarded as always
more news at 11
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>>148170504
>>148170033
didn't think they would use that but I guess they need something to get rid of immortal Zamasu

Good luck to Trunks alone against Black. Looking at episode 63 and Vegeta being next.
it might not go too well for him.
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>>148170033
Thats pretty awesome actually
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>>148173935
>trunks jobs
>vegeta jobs
>it's a goku saving the day again episode of dbs
why even bother watching this shit show now?
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>>148174074
>it's a goku saving the day again episode of dbs
Yeah, how dare we get a second one of those
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>>148174074
this happens every time and you've watched dragon ball until now so you'll just keep watching
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DB>DBZ>>GT>>>Shit>DBS
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>>148174145
'course he will, it's fun to watch Goku fight
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>>148174140
die, Gokufag
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>>148174145
at least gohan has his moment in the cell saga but with trunks nothing
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>>148174226
>DB>DBZ

lol fucking retard
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>>148174326
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>>148170033
How do fugg would trunks get strong enough?Even last time it was ridiculous?I doubt he will turn ssjb so i guess something beyond ssj3?
What if goku goes back to the past and sees his younger self getting zamasus body(we dont know when zamasu made that wish)?
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>>148174365
>he thinks regular dragon ball isn't the best
kill yourself
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>tfw you killed Goku once & Trunks twice
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>>148174326
>>148174326
The struggle and strife in this one
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>>148174468
>thinks Dragon Ball is the best

Light yourself on fire
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>>148174551
The amount of Goku's cock down this one's throat
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>>148174556
>thinking his fan fiction dbz arc is best at anything
dragon ball ending is the true ending the rest is just fan fiction nonsense.
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>>148174636
>being this much of a faggot hipster
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>Buu Saga

Base Goku: 80,000,000
SSJ Goku: 4,000,000,000 (x50)
SSJ2 Goku: 8,000,000,000 (x100)
SSJ3 Goku: 32,000,000,000 (x400)
Majin Buu: 20,000,000,000 (For comparison later)

>Super (Post-RoSaT)

Base Goku: 200,000,000
SSJ Goku: 10,000,000,000 (x50)
SSJ2 Goku: 20,000,000,000 (x100)
SSJ3 Goku: 80,000,000,000 (x400)
SSJG Goku: 960,000,000,000 (x4800)
SSJB Goku: 1,280,000,000,000 (x6400)

>GT

Base Goku: 500,000,000
SSJ Goku: 25,000,000,000 (x50 - SSJ Goku was stronger than Meta Rildo, who was stronger than Majin Buu)
SSJ2 Goku: 50,000,000,000 (x100)
SSJ3 Goku: 200,000,000,000 (x400)
SSJ4 Goku: 1,600,000,000,000 (x3200)
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>>148174668
>implying dbz is whole it isn't fan fiction
the only reason toriyama continued behind dragon ball at all is his editors wanted continued and decided to roll with "lol aliens" fan fiction plot
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>>148174878
>"It's me Goku, your brother, we're aliens now join me. Oh yeah your name is also Kakarot"
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>>148174878
>fan fiction

Stop using terms you don't know the meaning of, you basement-dwelling retard.
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>>148174326
>gokufag

You mean dragonball fag, because that is what Dragonball is about.
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>>148174874
Technically base GT Goku was already around if not beyond SSJ3 Buu saga Goku
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>>148164464
What are the odds that this guy is going to be the true antagonist?

How long until he somehow gets a chance to kill zeno and take his place as God?
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>>148170289
Will it be the Roshi in the future? or is he dead in the manga?
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>>148174874
You should stop posting these, we've only disproven them about a dozen times now.
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>>148175135
>All Z-Knights are dead in that timeline except Yarjirobe
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>>148174874
Oh look, it's the GTfag who wishes his Super Saiyan Furry form was even remotely relevant.
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>>148175214
can't read the japanese, I just remember the trunks time line anime roshi was in a sub.
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>>148174967
>implying his editors didn't pitch him fan fiction ideas when making dbz
next you will be saying this fan fiction oc "approved" bullshit is canon?
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>Mafuba remembered
>Not Bra
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>Toyblecucks WILL defend this.
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>>148172594
>Stand back, Tien. I got this
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>>148175441
>it's not canon because I don't like it waaaaahh

Kill yourself
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>>148172209

This.

It doesn't matter WHAT they do to defeat Zamasu at this point, people are still going to call it shit and say it's all Toriyama's fault or Toei's fault.
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>>148172209
>>148175781

Samefag?
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>>148175781
no he's right, I'm kinda glad they are bringing back old techniques.
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>>148175848

Newfag?
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>>148175952
Gayfag?
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Technically, the summary has a "But..." at the end, so something unexpected happens when Goku asks Roshi to teach him the Mafuba.

So, there's still a chance Tenshinhan will be involved somehow.
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>>148172061
>>148172594
>mfw this scenario is actually possible because Mafuba
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>>148175975
Dumbfag?
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>>148176099
Fagfag?
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>Dragon ball is made
>Bulma's hair is purple
>Anime adaption comes out
>Bulmas hair is blue for some reason now.
>Years later they make trunks
>Trunks hair is blue in the manga
>Anime adaption comes out
>it's fucking purple now ???????????

>super dragon ball finally corrects this and makes his hair blue again, still havnt fucking fixed bulmas hair color though.

>toonami faggots who have only watched dragon ball Z still fucking crying about it.
>They still don't know the hair colors in DBZ have all been wrong this whole fucking time.
>They think this trunks with blue hair is weird or a mistake and keep bitching about it
>Its the only fucking hair color thats right.
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the spoiler is a bait

>but...
meaning goku won't be able to learn it
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>>148176057
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>>148176011
>gohanfags hoping for something
>gohan doesn't even know
>vegetafags hoping for stuff
>vegeta's fierce job as goku comes in to save the day
>trunksfags hoping for a transformation
>ends up being a rage boost
you all do this to yourselves by hoping for anything
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Is he the hero we need, /a/?
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>tienfags actually exist
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>>148171530
still vastly less than one piece

how does that one still go on
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>Tien ever being relevant
Worse than Gohanfags
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>>148176363
>>148176057
>>148176173
>>148176370
>>148176406

Soon, anons
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>>148176406
Nobody's worse than Gohanfags.
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>>148165393
bait? if not, you're retarded
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>>148176363
Yes.

But not the one you deserve.
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But why call Tenshinhan when he never used Mafuba in the manga, him doing it in the anime vs Drum was complete filler.

Get Piccolo, his Kami side knew about Mafuba.
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>>148166479
well, it is a cartoon
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>>148176537
>>148176406

Leave me out of this.
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It is a shame that Tien is irrelevant, he actually trains and shit yet he is still weak to compete with the tier of enemies that Goku and Vegeta fight.

At least he had a hype fight scene in Resurrection F
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>>148176678
In the manga, he still knew how to use it, the jar just broke before he could try it on Piccolo
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>>148176722
Tien could learn god ki, just need whis to teach him
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>>148176678
>But why call Tenshinhan when he never used Mafuba in the manga, him doing it in the anime vs Drum was complete filler.
He used it many times in training, just didn't get to use it in real battle because the container got stuck right when he arrived there.
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>>148170289
>procrastinators

lmfao
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>>148176722
the moral of dragon ball is that humans can't reach saiyans no matter how hard they try
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>>148176133
why is kid trunks' hair purple and future trunks' hair blue

explain this to me
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>>148176722
the travels of tenshinhan anime when
who even knows what kind of crazy shit he sees on his travels
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>>148176923
So Japanese kids don't confuse the two.

I'm serious.
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>>148176948

How would they confuse a full grown man and an 11 year old?

Is this a common problem in Japan?
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>>148176994
>Is this a common problem in Japan?

More than you know, anon.
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>>148176843
Yeah, it's incredibly annoying - maybe Humans will have a lot of potential in the future of the Dragon Ball world but sadly we don't get to see that

It'd be cool if Tien could at least set up the New Crane School from Dragon Ball Online
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>>148177021
>a pupil in ssj
fucking toei
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>>148176923
Don't know, but Kid Trunks was gonna get blue hair in BOG
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>>148170033
Please be real holy shit that's amazing.
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>>148177062
Oh shit, that was what was wrong with the image, fuck I couldn't put my finger on it
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people on Youtube are fucking retarded
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>>148170504
>tfw trunks goes mystic
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>>148177200
I feel like watching one of SSRIQ's videos just to laugh at the sheer unhinged autism.
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>>148177200
sugoi
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>>148176994
>tfw I confused Goku and SS Goku as two different guys when I first saw DBZ on tv
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>>148173431
The only reason they won is because goku got the deusnex machina energy replenishment and spirit bomb.
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>>148176363
I... honestly would not mind it being Tien. unlikely as it is
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>Mafuba
The savior has come.
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>>148177200
and that's just the videos.
Don't even try to visit the comment section
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>>148177200
>look up some DBS devianarts
>upload at youtube
>get easy views from retards
>$$$
Get on it NEETs
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>>148177432
Anon please
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>>148177550
I went to the comment section. I didn't believe you.
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>>148177489

i kek'd
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>>148177273
he won't even get any new from no ultimate,ssj3 or even a new god transformation just a shitty rage boost that won't do jack shit. face it trunks won't have his day and goku saving the day again.
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>>148177620
why

why would you do that to yourself
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>>148177686
I was curious! Never again.
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>>148177062
That happen alot in dbz too
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>>148177837
Good, anon, good
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>>148177200
lol at that black
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>>148167935
Buu without his evil half isn't shit. Before he split, SSJ3 Goku could have killed him. After he split, he was high SSJ2 tier at best.
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>>148177489
that shit gets me everytime
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Post characters that can beat Black
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>>148178055
>SSJ2 tier at best.
not even that SSJ at best
>>
why is Trunks hair blue?
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>>148178137
because toriyama concept him with blue hair, like bulma

the real question is why is kid trunks hair NOT BLUE?
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>>148178137
he has super saiyan blue in his base form now. this is why we make fun of you ignorant animefags.
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>>148178070

>>148178137
He sucked the blue out of anime Mai 's eyes like a vampire
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>>148178120
Yeah senpai, now you mention it that's probably about right. I'd put the Skinny Buu in high SSJ2 tier though, with good Fat Buu being in high SSJ1 tier.

As in, any SSJ2 could whomp good Fat Buu at that point.
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>>148177195
Honestly, even when fixed Trunks still looks like shit. That still must've been drawn a bad animator or something.
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>>148177273
>mystic
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>>148178501
he is ssj2 but with ssj1 hair
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>>148178348
Yeah, but it depends on the SSJ like before the god training or God ki saiyan connection Goku and Vegeta SSJ could mop the floor with good buu, but kid trunks and goten needs fusion ssj to defeat him since they both kinda slacked off.
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>>148170033
>ZAMASU hates tea and tea sipper Gowasu
>gonna get lock in a teapot

POTTERY
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>>148177273
>tfw the mystic/ultimate state was still a bullshit powerup that wasn't even explained well
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>>148177584
Why hasn't Yamcha been retconned into a Saiyan? He's asking for it.
>>
>>148170289
>procrastinators
Geekdom, big D homie you gotta check your spelling.
>>
>>148178070
>>
>Zamasus/Black aren't just going to use the earrings to merge which then forces Goku/Vegeta to fusion.
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>>148179069
not the same earrings they are but in the same time they're aren't it's like how kid trunks and future trunks are the same but different people in the same time.
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>>148179191
what? of course they are the same earrings. They are kaioshin earrings which gowasu even mentioned would fuse
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>>148179255
Nope goku black is different zamasu from a different timeline timeline. You need the same earnings from the same timeline to fuse not just an alternate timeline one to fuse with another.
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>>148179350
they are the same earrings, black gave one to zamasu

otherwise they would both have 4 earrings
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>>148176722
>character has specific power that would be useful to the plot
>japs will actually have a completely different character absorb that power rather than display the use of teamwork
>american works focusing on superhero teams will not only give every character a role, but in the case of superfriends, will actually go out of their way to create scenarios in which aquaman will be useful

How bizarre. Japs are supposedly more collectivist and team oriented, but most Shonen Jump stuff will pay lip service to the "power of friendship" without actually delivering on it. Does anyone know of an academic paper or even a blog post that examines this aspect of their value system?
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>>148179431
future zamasu the immortal one got his from gowasu.
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>>148165835
Ss3 goku matched Kid Buu in raw power but couldnt keep up due to the stamina issues of the form and Kid Buus high Regen rate. A no-holds bar SSGSs goku would spank kid buu with a single Kamehameha
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>>148170821
Goku is way stronger then Zamasu so I don't see why Mafuba can't work on him, Black would need to die from a team effort like Kid Buu though.
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>>148179507
That's black though, they are showing his backstory there

notice this image
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>>148179695
now see this one

Black gave his right earring to future zamasu
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>>148179752
no not seeing giving a earring it's more like goku black turning zamasu the immortal one turn into the dark side and wanting him killing his gowasu for his earring
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>>148179830
what? You see here he is missing his right earring >>148179695
which is shown in the backstory here >>148179752
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>>148179870
he only needs one for him to use the time ring not really seeing him "giving his earring" here it's like him turning another zamasu to the dark side and wanting him to kill his gowasu which is here >>148179507
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>>148179957
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>>148179957
what are you talking about, this was your point

>>You need the same earnings from the same timeline to fuse not just an alternate timeline one to fuse with another
which I said
>they are the same earrings, black gave one to zamasu otherwise they would both have 4 earrings
they both have the same earrings as shown here
>>148179695
>>148179752


Black's right earring is missing in the present while it was shown in his flashback, which means he gave one to zamasu. There is no other way this works.
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So, if this guy in his second form?

Could he transform?

Would he be stronger than Freeza in his second form?
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>>148180226
Cold would have wasted no time transforming after seeing his son in his final form get effortlessly negged if he actually could transform, so that's doubtful. It's also doubtful that he's stronger than Freeza at all.

Cooler on the other hand is stronger than pre-RoF Freeza, but only because he trained his ass off - he isn't as unnaturally strong as his brother, so to surpass him he had to work for it.
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Cooler > Frieza
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>>148180226
According to Toriyama Freeza inherited his mutation from Cold, so, yeah, he should be able to transform. It'd likely leave him defenseless though, if it's anything like Freeza's.
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>>148180165
jesus fuck
I need to get my eyes checked

every time I see Gogeta or Vegito
I see Gohan first
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>>148178055
he's problable a sj2 low tier by now or ssj but stil he has
>infinite ki
>regeneration ability
>absorption
>Can surprise an opponent with Candy beam out of fucking nowhere just too many advantages to ignore against regular opponents You never know with buu
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>>148180854
>a more badass Oniisama older brother senpai figure is literally cooler than his little bitch brother otouto
yeah who would've fucking thought?
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>>148180974
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>>148180537
Cooler doesn't fucking exist
Secondly Frieza never trained as was only slightler weaker then cooler who got his shit slapped by SSJ1 goku


>>148180226
Yes,
He untransformed and not even powered up was nearly 10 times stronger then 100% power Frieza on Namek.
He was stronger then Mecha Frieza as well.

There was a reason why frieza didn't bring him back. He would have wiped out the earth without a second thought and not allowed frieza his vengence.
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>>148179502
They have a thing for the exceptional individuals and DA ONE.
Meritocracy and individualism and creating scenarios where everyone is given a cool thing to do is actually spit on when it comes to stuff like this.
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>>148164654
They said it was 4 years
Which means pan is, at most, retconned to be born a few monthd early, making her 5 not 4 in the tournament.
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>>148178233
Now Trunks can use this to convince her to suck his dick when they start having sex.
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>>148181143
>Secondly Frieza never trained as was only slightler weaker then cooler who got his shit slapped by SSJ1 goku

I know, that was my point. Cooler wasn't born with a freakishly high power level like Freeza was, so he had to push himself extremely hard just to become slightly more powerful than an untrained Freeza.

And I know he isn't canon, just thought I'd throw him in the equation for comparison's sake.
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>>148181018
You forget that he was a fighting genius and learned every fighting technique he saw and could mimic and defend against it
Also absorbing people.
Oh and his magic wasn't just limited to transforming people into candy. At that point he was the most powerful magic user in DBZ and had almost limitless ability to use it.
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>>148180226
He's not in his second form.
Frieza had a normal form, and could transform DOWN
Cold is certainly capable of transforming, but its a huge assumption that hes in the second form. It might be reasonable to say he had another transformation based soley on the fact that he has horns on his head, but other than that he looks like a pallet swap of friezas fourth form.
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>>148180537
Cold is a retard
>hey kid can I borrow your sword for a sec
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>>148180226
Unfortunately we'll never know because he just goes down so fast. Trunks didn't give him enough time transform even if he could. From the way he acts and how he's killed, I've always just assumed he's "about as strong" as Frieza. Close enough to where the difference doesn't really matter.

And if we're using Toriyama's usual penchant for making duos of a strong short guy and weaker big guy, Cold could be anywhere between Ginyu or max Frieza.
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>>148181527
Word of god states that Frieza got his mutant ability from Cold.
Secondly he was able to walk around in a form similar to second form Frieza while being far far far more powerful then even his mecha frieza form, meaning that he had far more control then him and power to spare.

From all of these things we can assume two things about Cold.
1. He has the ability to transform and is light yeas more powerful then Frieza when transformed
2.That form might actually just be his first form and not a second form.
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>>148181062
onii-sans aren't always stronger than otouto
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>>148181685
>while being far far far more powerful then even his mecha frieza form

Nice headcanon.
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>>148181679
Cold was stronger then Mecha Frieza.
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>>148181018
>>148181431
keep in mind that fat buu is shit and it just a weak fragment of the real buu.
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>>148178055
>>148178120
>>148181018
>>148181431
Lets all remember that fat buu only exists because dai kaioshin, strongest of the kaioshins by far, was enough to influence him.
Current fat buu is basically dai kaioshin in the form of buu.
Which means he's definitely still in the ss2 category. Mind you thats a wide range.
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>>148181774
Go look it up.
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>>148166851
How are Kid Buu and Evil Buu different forms, anyway?

Aren't they basically the same thing?
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>>148181685
The point i was making is that we don't know how many forms he has
They're not power up forms, they're power down.
Its possible he only has one. Frieza had three so he could actually interact with his warriors without freaking them out all the time.
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>>148170487
True, but Black has something Beerus doesn't have
A better name
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>>148181818
After beating Buu in Z yes, but in the start of supper were goku and vegeta are stronger than their z counterparts? not seeing it.
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>>148181796
Was he? I don't remember it ever being stated directly unless it was from some interview later.

I've never given it much thought because Cold is just a throwaway character.
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>>148176403
dont even talk anon we're like 60 percent in at this point
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>>148181902
They aren't.
Dark/evil buu was a momentary form as buu altered his personality.
Fat buu was pulled out of super buu, compared to evil buu being pushed out of fat buu.
Its just personality that changed, not power. Hence why dark/evil buu stomped fat buu
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>>148181902
kid buu is the original buu before he absorbed the kais
evil buu is literally the evil in buu's heart so super buu should have reverted to evil buu instead of kid buu when they removed fat buu
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>>148181964
>Was he? I don't remember it ever being stated directly unless it was from some interview later.
It's never directly stated that he's stronger, although the way the lines appear (at least in the anime), make it seem like they are saying that Cold is stronger. First they mention sensing Freeza's ki, then there's a scene cut to Tenshinhan, I think, who mentions a second even larger ki. However, Tenshinhan doesn't even know Freeza's ki by that point, so he could be talking about either one. Gohan afterwards also mentions that the ki they were sensing from Freeza was nowhere near his full power.
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>>148181934
Huh? What does that have to do with anything.
Ss2 level doesn't change just because goku and vegeta has raised the upper limit of ss2.
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>>148181832
I already know in-depth about this subject. In episode 136, at first it's stated that they feel a ki much stronger than Freeza's, but then a few moments later Yamcha says "“So this guy called ‘Freeza’ has such terrible…absurdly large ki?” and Gohan responds with "“This isn’t it…he gets much, much stronger!”.

And even then, that bit about King Cold having a stronger power level is ONLY mentioned in the anime. In the manga, Tenshinhan just mentions that King Cold is "another absurdly large ki" like Freeza's and it's left at that, but the manga also has the additional line by Gohan about Freeza being able to power up to much greater heights, distinctly implying that Freeza is stronger than Cold.
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>>148182054
Oh yeah, I remember the sensing of "an even stronger ki" accompanying Freeza, but you're right none of them ever sensed him directly.

Piccolo was shitting his pants either way and didn't correct anybody so I'm going to say Cold was the stronger ki and be satisfied with that.
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>>148182054
I think the implication was that friezw was stronger as mecha, but didn't have enough time to power up to full
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>>148181903
His first form is the exact same as Frieza's second form.
We can't know if that friezas first form is a child form and his second form is his adult form or super form.

Friezas didn't walk around fully powered because he didn't want to freak out his men. He walked around powered down because he had fuck all control over his own power and instead of training he simply created a shitload of powered down forms.
How he learned how to do this but never learned how to supress or control his power i'll never know.
As a matter of fact, him not being able to control his power but canonically being able to create new forms that allow him to use his power more effectively might actually be proof positive that Cold had a unique super form.
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>>148182161
Thats not fair, piccolo couldn't do jack shit to frieza at 10% he'd still be shitting his pants
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>>148182056
>What does that have to do with anything
look into the convo we're talking about beginning of super how powerful he is compared to others.
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>>148182133
King Cold is as strong as mecha frieza and we all know that mecha frieza is far more powerful then frieza fully transformed.

King cold looks the exact same as second level frieza while being as if not more powerful then 4th level frieza BEFORE powering up.

It stands to reason that not only was king cold stronger then Frieza, but Super itself outright states that all of the Frost people gain power by changing forms. Cold would be no different.
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>>148180165
I never liked the pool floaties he wears
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Straight from the Daizenshuu:

"Freeza's father. He is a shadowy presence in the organization, and nobody knows of his existence apart from his family and his direct subordinates, not even the Ginyu Special-Squad. Though he's the head of the strongest family in the universe, he is somewhat inferior to Freeza."

>Though he's the head of the strongest family in the universe, he is somewhat inferior to Freeza.

Cold is canonically weaker, this is not even disputable and I'm surprised people are still arguing about given that it was cleared up so many years ago.
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>>148182337
I still have no idea how Piccolo went from being slightly ahead of 2nd form Freeza to being on par with the super saiyans in the android saga.

Yeah, he trained, I know. But there's no precedent for him getting that strong in that short of time. What kind of training could he possibly have done to go from a few million to SSJ levels in 3 years.
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>>148182428
>>148182239
Hes got some important distinctions
No segmented skin
Different type of horns
Looks like no torso armor

He's also much bigger than friezas forms.

He probably has a transformation, but all signs point to this being his final one. At most another transformation would only effect his head/limbs
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>>148182498
Namekian training.
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>>148182554
Pic for reference
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>>148182428
>King cold looks the exact same as second level frieza

Doesn't matter, you're inferring that he's in a suppressed state with absolutely nothing substantial to back that belief up.
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>>148182554
All of the cold race have forms like frieza.
He has to canonically have a super form as well or he'd be the mutant.
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>>148182579
I can accept that as a legit answer

Nail probably knew some new shit
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>>148182498
He wasnt on par with the ssjs of that arc though.
The fact that mergin with kami put him on par with 17 but the power up was pretty obvious.
He was probably up to namek ssj level by then, but thats not that ridiculous.
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>the fucking Daizenshuu straight up says Freeza is stronger than Cold
>people are still arguing over this

Why do I even visit /a/ for DB discussions anymore?
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>>148182659
It sucks that Piccolo will forever occupy this weird phantom middle-tier of characters who aren't completely useless but also can't touch the Saiyans
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>>148182593
I'm inferring that because his first form looks almost exactly like friezas second/adult form.

If he had no different forms and then he'd look exactly like first form frieza. He doesn't.
He looks like second form frieza.

That means that there is a good chance that he, like all of his people apparently, have a super form.

Frieza seems to be a mutant who's simply got a fuckload more power potential then anyone else. The equivalent of the exceptionally powerful brat who's never had to train.
Kind of like Vegeta during the saiyan saga.
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>>148182706
Meh, its mostly because ever since he merged back with kami his desire to fight subsided.
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>>148182696
beats me
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>>148182714
The only difference between first and second form frieza is size and horns
Cold has different horns anyways.
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>>148182714
>almost

Exactly. Even the crux of your argument is based on an "almost", and that's the problem.

Give me actual solid evidence that Cold was in a suppressed state or fuck off.
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>>148181355
as long as he doesn't take it too far
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>>148182696
He's only assumed to be stronger because he has no feats that's all.
Toriyama outright fucking states that he got his mutant gene from Cold and Super and the Movies(if you want to take it as canon)says that all of the Frost people have super forms and gain new ones to access higher levels of power.

At the time of the Trunks saga, if Cold was allowed to power up, he might have been a near or beyond imperfect cell tier threat.

BUT if Frieza got off his lazy ass and trained for a year he'd have been strong enough to go toe to toe with Red Super Saiyan god.
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I'm going to marry Trunks!
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>>148182726
Yeah, I guess I'm OK with it since his character has grown a lot and he works well as a teacher. Plus his fight in the tournament was pretty cool.
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>>148182778
Frieza, Cooler, and alternate universe Frieza.

It's now 100% canon that all sufficently powerful people of Frieza's race have a super form.

>>148182767
And?
Goku and vegeta have different hair. Doesn't mean that one can go supersaiyan while the other can't.
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>>148182826
which trunks are we talking about?
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>>148182826
I wonder how much of the fanbase has caught on yet that opening up this idea of nearly infinite branching timelines makes everybody's OC Donuts somewhat valid.

You can marry Trunks. There is probably an alternate timeline where you already did. Aren't you happy for yourself?
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>>148182706
Was hoping that after he met the multiversal dragon he'd awaken to some bad ass namekia god ki or meet the other namekians from other universes.

NOPE he's mostly ignored and told to job so vegeta's bitchery during the return of frieza is made up for.
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>>148182783
>pic
Holy shit, calm down Trunks.
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>>148182484
>>148182587
Is his horns supposed to be white but the anime made them black?
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>>148182873
No one's saying he cant
We're saying theres no way to know how many, or which level hes at
Its the same thing as the "is gohan ss2 fighting dabura" argument, without ANY dialogue.
Imagine if you had to determine what form gohan was using based soley on those images.
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>>148182877
Future Trunks of course.
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>>148182939
The anime made them grey. Not as dark as friezas.
Also, his tail is still segmented, but the rest isn't. That suggests he doesn't change size like frieza, he changes his tail/armor pieces.
In other words, he doesn't have the same transformations as frieza.
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>>148182901
They already did. Just look at fanfiction pages how many mature-rated Trunks/F TrunksxOC are out there.
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>Goku saves the day once again!
Really? Aren't you guys sick of it? I really wanted someone else to win.
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>>148183228
Trunks will in a couple of episodes
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>>148183228
no matter how much you want it, it will never happen ever again
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>>148183026
He only needs two as a matter of fact. That one and a second one.

And if Cold is as lazy and assured of his own power as Freiza then the form we first see would LOGICALLY be his first form.
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>>148183228
Goku will handle Zamasu while Trunks/Vegeta take out black

that's good enough for me
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>>148183228
I feels the same way as you anon I want at least Trunks getting a god transformation form and defeating Black at least while they deal with Zamasu which ever way they like.
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>>148182484
Then explain why the z fighters said Cold's ki felt stronger than Friezas?
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>>148183153
Says nothing about the level of power or what his second form actually looks like though.
If alternate universe Frieza is any indication then he has a super form that is much like that.
He might even keep his horns.
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>>148183280
Why would you assume that though.
Frieza got that attitude because he didn't have to work at all to be the strongest.
Who says cold didn't?
The fact that he immediately bargained with trunks and tried to trick him suggests we were seeing the most of his power.

Well that's another thought too. Just because frieza invented forms to power down to, we don't know if lowering his power is the reason cold transforms.
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>>148183326
None of them were there when Freeza went all out.
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>>148183326
People ITT did explain this, retard. It was an anime only line.
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>>148183326
They never said that in the manga, at any point, ever.
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>>148183336
I don't think we can really compare frost, who was invented twenty five years later, to cold.
Besides, frost has significant anatomical differences to friezas race
Their feet for one, and having multicolored final form closer to friezas golden form than his natural state.
Just like cabba has no tail due to evolution, frost had four forms to make the allegory complete
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>>148182484


Is King Cold the only person Freeza cared about? Despite being stronger he never killed him or anything like that. He called him papa and stuff.
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>>148183523
Yeah, but at this point the anime is more canon than the manga.
>Piccolo has 5 fingers
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>>148183649
Freeza is stronger than his father, so why would he kill him? Freeza has no problem with strong people as long as they are weaker than him, now if Cold was stronger...
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>>148183708
I want to see a young Freeza, anon. Like when he hatched from his egg and whatnot.
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>>148183649
>Is King Cold the only person Freeza cared about?
i believe he didn't even want his dad back in RoF so.. didn't care that much
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>>148183747
Toriyama implied in an interview once that frieza was a test tube baby.
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>>148182873
>It's now 100% canon that all sufficently powerful people of Frieza's race have a super form.

No, it's only canon that people of Freeza's race can use the transformations that power them DOWN, not up. Only Freeza so far has shown a transformation that canonically goes beyond the true form (Cooler isn't canon, so he doesn't count).

You have no idea whether Cooler was in a suppressed state, therefore you have no evidence to back your assertion up, therefore you're talking out of your ass. Even official materials like the Daizenshuu plainly shoots your unsupported hypothesis down so I don't know why you keep stubbornly arguing that Cold was stronger than Freeza.
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>>148183523
Stop spouting bullshit.
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>>148183391
Uh uh, alternate universe frieza had forms as well as did the alternate universe saiyans.
MEANING that canonically speaking all of friezas people have a super form

Him bargaining with trunks instead of
"Instantly" transforming only shows that he's lazy and realizes that he'd be killed before he transforms not that he's weak.
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>>148176660
He's the only one still using some sort of martial art to fight instead of "lol 1000 punchs at lightspeed bloocking and punching like retards" in every fight
God I hate the fights now.
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>>148183649
He only cares about himself
I guess he just didn't see any reason to kill his father
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>>148183817
>Cooler isn't canon
bullshit
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>>148183774
Well he probably didn't feel the need to at the time.

>>148183797
Disgusting.
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>>148172458
I cannot believe that every single one of them kicked you in the dick
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>>148183847
He's not talking about his father dumb ass...
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>>148183947
Get this shitty teamfourstar faggot ass le so funny quote out of here...
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>>148183536
Frost's race is the exact fucking same as the Frost race in universe 7 with only a few differences.
Just like the saiyans.

And like the saiyans, the friezas race have different forms that they change into when they power up.

Simply stating that some of frieza's race look different from him means that they won't be able to transform is ridiculous.

Frieza is a mutant because he's ridiculously powerful and a prodigy who's never trained a day in his life.
His ultimate gold form is proof that he's a mutant and that for frieza's race differnt forms = more power.
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>>148183959
Yes, he is. Tien is saying there is a greater ki with Frieza
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>>148183947

What's wrong with you?
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>>148170033
>he is going to learn a stronger Kamehameha
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>>148183817
Did you fucking miss Return of Frieza?
Did you fucking miss the fact that Cold was walking around in what is essentially Freiza's second or first form?
Did you miss the very existence of Frost?

It's canon that they all have a standing around form and a super form.
If the super form was their true form then cold and frost would be walking around as that and they would be significantly weaker then freiza. They are not.
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>>148184126
Thanks for the wallpaper, I'll get you a link.
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>>148184080
Yeah there is, and it's not his dad.
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>>148184126
>image
neat
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>>148184177
Thanks, anon.
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>>148184231
and who might that be?
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>>148184287
T-Trunks?
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>>148184353
He was in base form. There is no way he is stronger than Mecha Frieza who was stated to be stronger than Namek Frieza. I'm pretty sure his ki was silent for a bit too.
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>>148166813
You mean strongest?Kid Buu was his strongest form.
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>>148184438
Super Buu is the strongest
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>>148184438
>>148184505

Super Buu is stronger. Kid Buu is more dangerous because of how unhinged and erratic he is.
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>>148184148
>Did you fucking miss the fact that Cold was walking around in what is essentially Freiza's second or first form?

Are you illiterate? Honest question. The manga, the anime, Freeza himself, EVERY piece of official material flat-out says that what you keep calling Freeza's "super form" is actually his true form, i.e. the one where he DOESN'T suppress his power.

You clearly don't understand how Freeza's race's transformations work. Unless it's a form akin to Golden Freeza, they only exist to suppress the mutant's power. But even then they're not actually required, e.g. Freeza can remain in his true form if he wishes.

There is absolutely no evidence that Cold was using a suppressed transformation, and "w-well it looks similar!" is not evidence.
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>>148182934
after all this time. it must be hard to restrain himself
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>>148184608
>>148182934
>>148182783
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>>148183847
Translated directly from Herms in his strength checker thread:

Chapter: 329 (DBZ 135), P11.5
Kuririn: “Did you feel it, Gohan!? That absolutely incredible ki!”

Chapter: 329 (DBZ 135), P12.3
Tenshinhan: “It…it’s not just one…There’s another absurdly large ki…”

You stop spouting bullshit.
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The preview seems to imply that Goku will have trouble learning the Mafuba so I think he'll learn the devilmite beam
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GT is canon
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>>148184693
>devilmite beam
It's to broken. You might as well say that Goku will use the super dragon balls to wish for an invincible so that he'll be able to use Kaioken with ease
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>>148182484
>I'm surprised people are still arguing about it given that it was cleared up so many years ago.

Probably because the DB fanbase on /a/ consists of absolute morons who can't even fact-check their own headcanon.
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>>148184687
see
>>148184391
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>>148184801
Why hasn't Goku taught anyone the Kaioken or instant transmission? It would be really useful for Piccolo
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>>148184574
Quick question. And please, answer this.

Why wasn't Cold and Frost both in Forms similar to Friezas but demonstrably WEAKER then Frieza?

Just answer that.
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>>148184845
Goku wants it for himself.
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>>148170289

>mafuba

Feels like such a cop out

Wouldn't they have to get both of them in one go, since Black/Zamasu could just destroy the jar, right?
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>>148184527
That first Toei image of SS2 Trunks doesn't look so bad.
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>tfw this will never happened
i'm still upset
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>>148184809
Toriyama himself said that Frieza got his mutant power from Cold and Cold was in a form that looked the exact same as Frieza's first or second form.

That book has fuck all fact checking put in it and was put out to make a few bucks.
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>>148184662
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>>148184845
because Tori is a hack
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>>148184959

I like that, anon.
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>>148184845
Yeah, Gohan and Piccolo and maybe Roshi would benefit greatly from it.
Nevermind, Gohan has been retconned into being a bitch.
But Piccolo's body should be able to handle the power of the kaioken and Roshi does that hole get swole as fuck thing so maybe he can handle it too.


Some anon said that damage from the kaioken was what caused goku's heart disease and to be honest I thought that was cool and would plug so many holes in the plot/make goku look like less of a selfish cunt. But it's actually a heart disease.

As for the instant transmission...uh.
GOKU AM DA GREETEST NO ONE ELSE CAN HAVE DAT POWER FUCK YOU NIGGAS!
That's about it.
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>>148184853
Answer what? Your question doesn't even make sense, that or it's worded poorly.

There is no evidence that Cold was using a suppressed state. You still have not brought up anything to back up your assertion aside from highly subjective inferences based on Cold's appearance, and in spite of all available evidence suggesting the contrary, you still haven't proven that Cold is stronger than Freeza.
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>>148185000
I think it's just that no one asked Goku to teach them, and Goku wouldn't be a great teacher anyways.
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>>148184916
>and Cold was in a form that looked the exact same as Frieza's first or second form

No he wasn't. There are notable differences between Cold's appearance and the appearance of Freeza's first and second forms.

If this is all the evidence you have, it's pretty fucking weak.
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I still wish SSJ never existed. Kaioken was a lot better since it had drawbacks. Making up a transformation that multiplies your power over 50 times is retarded. Also Saiyans wouldn't have outclassed the humans so much either
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>>148185028
>talking shit to your other self
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>>148185028
>>148185124
That cabin Zamasu and Black hang out in looks like it's in a nature preserve/national park or something.

Didn't #17 become a park ranger?
oh no
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>>148185052
If Piccolo could handle Kaiokenx50 he could match Super Saiyans. Hell Kaiokenx2 would be useful enough for him
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>>148185124
Black is more smug than Zamasu, that's why people prefer him more
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Why is Zamasu/Black not thinking that maybe Goku and Trunks will bring Beerus and Whis to the future to destroy them?
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>>148181062
>Cooler
>Badass
Lel. At least Freeza managed to kill something. Anyone who has an inferiority complex about their younger sibling will never be taken seriously.
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>>148185175
they destroyed all good food in that future so they don't have to worry
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>>148185107
Or just cap it at SSJ and make it only multiple your power by 10 or something. So a x20 kaioken would still be stronger, but SSJ wouldn't burn out as fast.

No matter what, humans were outclassed as soon as Namek hit though. Krillin only managed to keep up through the whole "potential unlocking" thing.

I always wondered if Dende could do that, and if he ever did for Yamcha/Tien etc.
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>>148185218
Well they're fucking with Universe 6. They should be worried especially after Beerus killed Present Zamasu
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>>148185162
If Piccolo was really all that interested, he would ask Kaio-sama himself
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>>148184909
Trunks would need extensive, special training to obtain SSB, but the story never really gave him an opportunity to do that. Training with Vegeta for a short time isn't going to be enough.
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Still wondering how a weak Kai made one of the best techniques in existence
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>>148184871
>no lightning
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>>148185159
>Didn't #17 become a park ranger?
not in the future. Kinda dead there
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>>148172446
inb4
>fighting with Black for a whole year infused him with the necessary god ki to turn blue
>all he needed was a couple more pushes from god level opponents to cap off his god ki bottle
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>>148177200
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFaWtornkk0&ab_channel=sasuke2345
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I like that even though Goku's a douche to nearly everyone he does care about all of his masters. Like he went back to his turtle hermit gi recently
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>>148185277
Hey, I never said it was perfect. That episode in particular had a pretty shitty animation director.
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>>148185287
Oh, right. I'm still adapting to all these timelines.
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>>148185275
his weakness gave him the motivation to create that technique, the other kais just drank tea all day
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>>148185275
I doubt he made it. He just claims he taught it to Goku.
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>>148185275
He was a kai back when their were only four of them
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>>148185349
Yeah he's good at heart it's just like Toriyama has always said his only interest is getting stronger and martial arts. Anybody who can't keep up with him on that level is going to be less interesting to him.

It's less about Goku being a douche and more about his friends not understanding where he's coming from. He's a saiyan who got severely brain damaged as a baby, why does nobody ever take this into account.
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>>148185275
Kaioken is wasted on Goku who's a shitter who uses SSJ. If he tried to perfect his body he'd be a lot stronger
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>>148185275
Super literally showed him using a guidebook when Goku started getting ki spasms. He didn't make it.
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>>148185414
Goku wasn't retarded in the original manga or anime
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>>148185456
Didn't King Kai say even he hadn't mastered it?

He also said both Nappa and Vegeta were stronger than him
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>>148185456
>Super literally showed him using a guidebook
retcon
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>>148185473
I know. I'm saying it's a miracle that he functions as well as he does. People holding him to normal standards are forgetting he's a brain-damaged alien. He hit his head so hard it changed his entire personality.
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>>148185456
>not writing the guidebook yourself and forgetting the specifics 1000 years later
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>>148183860
Friezas transformations are power downs
Frost only showed three forms
He has drastically different biology too.
Friezas race has the ability to transform
We don't know if they all transform the same way, or what form is the "true" form until they tell us.
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>>148185414
>Hurr hurr Goku so retarded because he have brain damage
People who say this are retarded. Goku was naive during the early stages of Dragon Ball because he was raised away from civilization not because he was dropped on his head, the only thing that did was change his personality.
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>>148185479
This
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>>148185414
>He's a saiyan who got severely brain damaged as a baby

He wasn't "brain damaged", the only thing his head trauma did was give him amnesia.
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>>148185473
But Goku isn't considered to be retarded except by bitchy fans.
He's more of an autist or fighting geek. He's a smart fighter and respects his opponents.
The guy had no education whatsoever and spent his time fighting to protect the planet. And died several times.

I think we can cut him some slack.
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>>148184026
For fucks sakes
NO ONES CLAIMING HE CANTS TRANSFORM
We're just saying theres no reason to assume they all have four forms, and that the four forms are the same
Did frost even enlargen in third form? Beside the fact that his "third form" was his second.
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>>148185647
>>148185555
I guess Dragonball Minus did retcon this didn't it?

Nevermind then. I still think it makes sense for Goku to lose interest in people who aren't as strong as him though, even if it's his family.
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>>148185001
You just stated, and the series itself basically stated that frieza's 4th form is his true form correct?

And Cold is in a form that looks exactly like Frieza's second or first form but is actually STRONGER then frieza's true form. Correct?
I assume you have been reading the direct manga, anime and multiple sources on the net that outright states that Cold is stronger then Mecha frieza.

Okay. Explain the logic.
Colds first form is, in your words, his only form and Freiza's 4th form is his true form that he sealed off with weaker forms because he sucked at controlling his powers.

I'm stating that if we go by your logic, then every single member of frieza's race even in the dimension 6 should look like or similar to 4th form frieza all of the time, not first form frieza since frieza himself states that this is his true form.

OR it's like I said, and that all of frieza's race have a super form that they can transform into, if they are sufficiently powerful or well trained enough. And can create or get new forms as they increase in power.
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>>148185677
Super Goku is a retard
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>>148185078
There are notable differences between goku and vegeta and cabba. Doesn't mean they both aren't saiyans and can't transform.

Your evidence is nonexistant and has no logic behind it what so ever.
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>>148185686
Why the fuck would he care about his weak scientist dad
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They did bring senzu beans this time around right?
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>>148185287
>>148185355
would of liked to see 17 and his family in super
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>>148185715
>Super(Anime) Goku is a retard
ftfy
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>>148185765
Yeah, they used one on Mai and Goku mentioned they had 4 left

but he's the one holding onto them so expect him to lose them again

yajirobe will show up for the save
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>>148184845
Gokus not a great teacher.
Most of what gohan learned about fighting was from piccolo.
Four years of training with goku and all he learned was kamehame ha.
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>>148185219
Know what I wish? I wish that piccolo could do that potential unlocking thing and he was the one who had to tech goten and kid trunks the fusion technique. It makes sense and would have been kinda cool.
It being some random as fuck thing that goku picked up in the other world was kinda lame.
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>>148185808
well he did teach teen gohan the full mastery of the ssj form taking away it's limitations in the time chamber.
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>>148185808
Goku is a superb teacher, he made Gohan master the super saiyan transformation in a year.
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>>148185275
The dodon ray is canon more powerful then the kamehawave and it was made up by a dork in a crane hat.
Instant transmission was made by a weakling race of dorks.

Wisdom can come from any source anon. Don't discount it because you don't like the teacher.
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>>148185782
I talked with Toryiama, he said he might.
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>>148185124
post yfw they live in Mountain Pao
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>>148184845
>Why hasn't Goku taught anyone the Kaioken or instant transmission?
Fuck off, stop whoring out Goku's moveset.
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>>148184916
That quote was from someone asking if cold can transform and he says "i guess so?" Or something close to it.
That sounds like he's implying cold was in his true form
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>>148185739
HE WAS A BRILLIANT SCIENTIST
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>>148185715
I remember Super showing us that Goku was conscious of getting older. He knows that one day he'll have to stop and focus on his grand daughter. He tries to reach his limits and find the strongest opponents while he still can. He has fun in the process. He was never really smart to begin with. Only when it comes to fighting.

Also if goku was smart, some fights would have been shorter or non existent.
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>>148185900
Fucking right
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>>148185938
He could wish for youth like Piccolo did
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>>148185739
''scientist'' ayy lmao
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>>148185971
That would be quite out of character I think
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>>148186003
Not really Goku's only desire is to fight. Where did you get the idea that he would stop?
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>>148185078
Frieza's second form is his true, normal form. His first form is a proto-stage he uses to conserve energy. tl:dr your a retard
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>>148185900
>whoring out Goku's moveset.
>Goku's moveset.
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>>148185542
Frieza outright states that his forth form is his fucking true form and he used the power downed forms because he was a lazy bitch who never learned how to control his power adequately.

King cold looks like friezas first and second form NOT HIS FOURTH and far outclasses frieza in terms of power on namek.

And frieza attained a new physical form after training for a few months.

His statement that he's considered a mutant power house and prodigy who never had to train ever in his entire life even amongst his people says either his forth form is a super form and he consideres that his true form OR that his forth form is the true form of all of his race and he's just very powerful like his father and has never had to train nor knows even the basics of how to control his own power.
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>>148185739
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>>148185995
>Your father was an average fighter Kakarot but he was a brilliant scientist
The Ocean dub everyone
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>>148185683
What the fuck does any of that shit have to do with fucking anything?

I'm talking about the fact that multiple forms fucking exist, not how many of them there are.

I'm also stating that they can have NEW forms if they train hard enough. It's canon.
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>>148185698
>And Cold is in a form that looks exactly like Frieza's second or first form but is actually STRONGER then frieza's true form. Correct?

Incorrect. The form we see Cold in has no proven connection to Freeza's first and second forms. Cold was never stated to be any stronger than Freeza's true form in the manga, and in fact the opposite is directly confirmed by the Daizenshuu.

>I assume you have been reading the direct manga, anime and multiple sources on the net that outright states that Cold is stronger then Mecha frieza.

Absolutely false. The anime is the only medium that insinuates that Cold is stronger, and even then the anime isn't completely direct. See: >>148182133 and >>148184687.

>Colds first form is, in your words, his only form

I never said that. We don't know how many forms Cold uses to suppress his power or if he even opts to use them at all. And that's my point - you don't know if Cold is using a suppressed form or if he's in his true form during his arrival to earth. You don't have even the slightest bit of evidence to suggest that Cold is masking his true form like Freeza sometimes does.

You really have no idea what you're talking about at this point and I'm frankly surprised you're still trying to make such a thoroughly refuted argument.
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>>148186060
His moveset comes from Gohan, Roshi, Popo, and King Kai.
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fun thread fagots see ya
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>>148186149
>forgets about the aliens that thought him the instant transmission
>forgets about whis god training
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>>148186068
>King cold looks like friezas first and second form NOT HIS FOURTH

You keep repeating this like a broken record and it still doesn't prove anything.
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>>148186208
They taught him one thing. That doesn't mean anything. Using your example you'd have to call Old Kai Gohan's master
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>>148186052
Because if he had planned to get younger with the dragon balls he would have done it already. Especially after the ki spasms episode. He's not afraid of changing, because he didn't build his life only around fighting. He's aware that time makes him bolder, children get older and he's getting older too.
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>>148186149
Interestingly enough, Goku really hasn't come up with any "unique" moves. I mean there's his penetrate punch but pretty much everything else is something he copied or adapted from someone else. I mean, Piccolo's got Makankosappo, Krillin's got Kienzan. Even Gohan has Masenko (which is supposed to be Piccolo's move but we never really see him use that move so it's almost uniquely Gohan's)
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>>148186060
Kami said that he hardly taught him though
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>>148185863
>>148185867
A parlor trick that he gained nothing from.

His true potential as a fighter was unlocked in a form that has nothing to do with any of his SSJ forms.
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>>148185698
Cold doesnt look exactly like form 2 frieza.
Your argument is invalid.
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>>148186248
>They taught him one thing.
>forgetting like a retard that it saved his ass more time then not
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>>148186270
Do Full Power Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 3 count? But yeah you're right Yamcha has his spirit ball too
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>>148186269
But will the landslide bring him down?
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>>148186269
When he was dead his body didn't age so he didn't need too. You do realize that Goku is going to go live with Uub at the end. He doesn't care about Pan
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>>148185905
Uh uh.
Cold should look like 4th form frieza not first form frieza if that's the case.
And super outright states that people of friezas race can transform into more powerful forms.

Meaning that cold has a super form or for some reason cold is not in his true form.
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>>148186270
I want to say his original Janken
small chance that's a Gohan move too I'm not great with early dragonball
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>>148185698
>And Cold is in a form that looks exactly like Frieza's second or first form

Except he isn't. There are clear differences, you just refuse to acknowledge them.
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>>148186380
>live his UuB
He's going abandon the nigger for Neko Majin Z
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>>148186397
That comes from Gohan
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>>148186477
Thought so, damn

Gohan was a silly martial artist then
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>>148186119
Maybe you got lost in the weeds
We don't know how many forms cold has because friezas are power downs
There's no way to know how many forms between his true form and the form we see is
Why?
Because the only difference between first form frieza and second form is size, and shape of horns
Cold is a different size than 2nd form frieza and has different horns.
So it could be his first form, his second, or he could be like cold and have three forms all relatively the same size.
We don't know, so stop assuming.
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>>148186382
>Cold should look like 4th form frieza not first form frieza if that's the case.

He doesn't look like first form Freeza, and the idea that his true form HAS to look like Freeza's fourth form is pure headcanon on your part.

Holy fuck you're an idiot.
>
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>>148186477
>That comes from Gohan
and Gohan's teacher is master roshi which most likely got his moves from. and your point is?
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>>148186233
Frieza states that his true form is the fourth form and that all of the other forms are weaker forms that he's created to conserve energy.
Outright fucking says it.

Either he's being literal in and everyone of his race looks similar to his fourth form
OR
he merely considers his fourth form, a powered up state that all of his race has, as his true form with his first or second form being his true form. As evidenced by both king cold and frost.
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>>148186270
Technically, SSJ2 is Gohan's unique technique.
Once everyone knew that you could do go SSJ2 everyone else copied..except for vegeta who had to be Babidis bitch to get it.
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>>148186382
You cant use super in this argument
We're talking about cold at the time he was created, not retcons twenty five years later
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>>148186284
Vegeta and Cabba look nothing alike yet they can both go super saiyajin.

Your argument is dumb.
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>>148186554
We're talking about the utter lack of original techniques Goku has.
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>>148186663
No one's saying he can't transform!
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>>148186685
>Goku
>original techniques
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>>148184662
just now noticed the direction of the feet
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>>148186564

You are seriously fucking stupid.

When Freeza says his fourth form is his true form, he never once refers to the others in his race, he's talking solely about himself.

Ergo, there is NO implication AT ALL that Cold's true form has to look like Freeza's true form. You just keep assuming this without anything at all to back it up.
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>>148186685
Yeah I honestly can't think of a single one
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>>148186415
Minor fucking differences doesn't fucking mean that he's so different that he's an entirely different fucking species.
They look enough alike that you can goddamned well tell they are of the same race of beings.

Your entire train of thought is retarded.
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>>148186270
does warp kamehameha count?
really I think the problem is that kamehameha and the spirit bomb became his "signature" moves so toriyama never bothered giving him anything new and original
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Tien is the guy with own techniques
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>>148186768
>combining two tech techniques
nah only original move is a non canon super dragon fist
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>>148186768
>>148186747
The crazy fist thing he made up to counter Roshi's drunken fist
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Goku also taught himself how to read minds
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>>148186515
The argument isn't that he has a billion and one forms. The argument is that HE HAS A FUCKING SUPER FORM PERIOD!.

It's canon that frieza considers his forth form his true form and he doesn't use it because he sucks at controlling his power, HOWEVER king cold, who is similar to frieza's second and first form is far stronger then Namek 4th form Frieza even at 100%.
Meaning that his race either all have super forms and power down or his race all look like FINAL form frieza and they all power down.
Super fucking blew that later out of the water when Frost stated that he can transform into that super form and it was special.
RoF outright states that his race can transform into new forms if they are sufficiently powerful enough.

And size does not matter in DBZ when it comes to power.
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>>148186852
Oh yeah, that counts
good find, did you watch dragonball dissection recently or something
I had forgotten all about it
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>>148186767
>Minor fucking differences doesn't fucking mean that he's so different that he's an entirely different fucking species.

...I'm at a loss for words to describe how retarded you are.

Reread my post, I didn't say anything about their species.
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>>148186940
>And size does not matter in DBZ when it comes to power.
Not true the smaller guy is always more powerful
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>>148186632
Yes I fucking can.
It's fucking canon.
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>>148186818
>dragon fist
what about the Oozaru fist that predates Dragon fist that he used against King Piccolo?
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>>148186740
His true form on namek is weaker then his fathers "true form".

SUPER outright states, with an alternate universe frieza that his 4th form is a special form.

Frieza outright states that he's rarely had to use that form in the anime and manga and in RoF he outright states that he's never trained a day in his entire goddamend life.
And after he trains he can get a NEW form.

What does that say you stupid waste of spunk?

Frieza's entire goddamned race can transform to a powered up form. He's only unique in that he's a mutant with preternatural power and fighting skill.
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>>148186515
Honestly, don't even bother. This guy is clearly fucked in the head and seems to be convinced that the form we see Cold in somehow has a connection to Freeza's first or second forms despite there being nothing that even hints at that.
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>>148186967
You litteraly state that king cold can't tranform to a new form because he has different fucking horns.
That's your entire fucking argument
And it's fucking retarded.

>>148186970
Unless they have kaioken, then the larger guy is stronger.
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>>148187117
The moment you start talking to yourself as if you are a third party is the moment that you reveal that you're a faggot and are stupid.

You can go away now. You lost this argument.
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>>148187102
>What does that say you stupid waste of spunk?
Holy shit the salt is real you guys crack me up how fired up you get over things like King fucking Cold
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>>148187068
That too since he used it again on Popo
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>>148187102
>His true form on namek is weaker then his fathers "true form".

No it isn't, and we've been over this a thousand times.

>SUPER outright states, with an alternate universe frieza that his 4th form is a special form.

Frost calling his fourth form "special" doesn't mean that it's not his true form, you're just assuming that out of nowhere.

>Frieza's entire goddamned race can transform to a powered up form

Wrong, retard. Only Freeza has been shown to be capable of reaching a form beyond his true form.
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>>148187238
I'm done with you. Go away now.
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>>148187273
I'm not even the same guy
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>>148186809
pretty much everyone has more unique techniques than goku
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>>148187300
>coming to you from Space Australia
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>>148187192
>oh no, multiple people think I'm retarded!
>better call him a samefag for maximum damage control!
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>>148187266
>No it isn't, and we've been over this a thousand times.
Post a single bit of evidence that says this. Every single place on the net and the source material itself states this.

>Frost calling his fourth form "special" doesn't mean that it's not his true form, you're just assuming that out of nowhere.
Then the entire universe should have been filled with people of his race that look like various forms of frieza since his race aren't considered tyrants and terrifying monsters. They aren't. It's something that he's kept "hidden" as a trump card.
Meaning that it's not his true form but a powered up state.

>Wrong, retard. Only Freeza has been shown to be capable of reaching a form beyond his true form.
...
King cold looks like almost exactly like his second fucking form and he's more then likely just cruising around in a powered down state.
Frieza's second form is a powered up form.
If we take into account everything we know about their race, Cold should have a super form. Their entire race should have the capability of getting super forms.
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>>148187330
>hey Vegeta what are you doing later?
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>>148187148
>You litteraly state that king cold can't tranform to a new form because he has different fucking horns.

Woooow. I'll repeat myself:

I'm at a loss for words to describe how retarded you are.

Reread my post, I didn't say anything about King Cold not having multiple forms.
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>>148187377
>green text and a pic of a character laughing that'll show him!
uh huh..
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>>148187489

>>148187489
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>>148187482
I've been arguing that King Cold has multiple fucking forms from the beginning.

What in the FUCK have you even been arguing then?
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>>148186852
Aparently that's a preexisting technique too. Muten Roshi even Corrects Goku who said it's the "Mad Fury Technique" to say he means the "Mad Dog Technique" which makes me feel like this is another move taught to him by Gohan. Goku even said Gohan could use Drunken Fist.
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>>148187482
>>148187557
ok it's time for you two to kiss and make up because this argument is literally fucking retarded.
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>>148187557
>What in the FUCK have you even been arguing then?

What everyone else who responded to your retarded ass has been arguing. We have no idea whether Cold was in his true form or not when he invaded the planet with Frieza.
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>>148186940
>king cold, who is similar to frieza's second and first form is far stronger then Namek 4th form Frieza even at 100%.
Thats headcanon
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>>148187693
Then what other fucking forms would he have you fucking moron?
He's already canon stronger then frieza on namek while in a state that looks eerily similar to his first or second goddamned forms.

We can logically assume that he has a super form due to the existence of frost, frieza's ability to create a new form out of nowhere in RoF and the quasi canon cooler.

The only one arguing the opposite are you idiots.
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>>148187874
Then show me some real canon numbers.
In this very thread are panels from the officially translated manga that states this.
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>>148186978
We're not discussing whether its possible for cold to be revealed with new forms if they brought him back
We're arguing abiut whether toriyama intended the form we sae to be his strongest incarnation.
Given that a) his skin is similar to final form frieza, and he has no chest armor, just like final form frieza and b) he didn't transform to power up against trunks, who had just killed frieza effortlessly who was in the same overall power range
We can logically conclude that if cold had other forms (which he probably did) they were either weaker forms (we know that's a thing for his race) or more of a change of function (his tail, horns, and parts of his limb amor are segmented)
There is zero reason to believe he had a stronger form.
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>>148187426
Toriyama said cold and frieza are really the only strong members of his race
If their transformation is to DEPOWER then why would any of the race do it.
Goes back to my theory that colds forms are functional, and frieza only uses them to depower since he interacts with the lessers.
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>>148187976
There's no indication that the power they were reading from mecha frieza was stronger than when he was on namek
In fact, gohan says otherwise.
Also trunks killed frieza first
Frieza was the real threat.
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