Dragon Ball Super

>>148060796

Whatever the fuck happened to the previous thread? It didn't even reach bump limit and got deleted.
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wasn't it a joke about giving senzu beans via the mouth that was misunderstood by vegeta (and the audience apparently)?

>>148061192
maybe because the OP
maybe because people started to dump images of their waifu
maybe because a mod is retarded
who knows?

Was going to ask in the thread before it 404'd, but I just saw Gods of Destruction and Resurrection F. Is there any more movies I need to see before I can skip ahead to episode 28? Or am I set?

>>148061639

You're set.

>>148061639
Good to go.

There's some funny SOL episodes between the movie arcs that are decent. For example, Vegeta takes his family to a holiday

Is it just me or is it time to talk about TIMELINES?

When was this stated?
>According to Whis, the other gods of destruction are considerably more violent than Beerus and Champa.

> Black isn't the Heart Virus

I'm thinking that the wish for immortality from the Super Dragon Balls is so powerful that even if a god kills you in the past that it won't affect you in your present time.

>>148061784
When he said Beerus and Champa were brothers.

>>148061840
Still doesn't explain the fact the Black is still alive. He should be braindead right now.

>>148061965
I think the most likely explanation is that Beerus' powers don't extend to a timeline where he doesn't exist. That's why they (Zamasu and Black) don't just jump through universes, but through timelines as well. Since Beerus exists in the multiverse, his power would work anywhere. But because there is a very small confined timeline where he doesn't exist, they went there.
That's probably also the reason because they don't just leave Future Trunks' timeline. Well, Black did, but he was pulled back.

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>>148060796
>Bulma tags along for no reason
>Even more Mai fanservice
>Goku has never kissed Chi-Chi
>Nobody has a fucking plan
>Black is just another Zamasu

Holy shit how did they fuck up this bad?

Here's my theory on what Zamasu did now.

Using the time ring, Zamasu went to a slightly different timeline (maybe a few minutes apart) where he decided to team up with another Zamasu. Together, they went back in time to any point when two Zamasu could overpower Goku and they kidnapped him. Then used the super dragon balls for the bodyswap.

There are holes in this though, might even be real plotholes of the story. The time rings are supposed to return you to your original timeline after a time limit is up. So two Zamasu shouldn't be able to exist together for an extended amount of time, but perhaps the bodyswap made a loophole in all this that allowed them to bypass that.

>>148061193
It was supposed to be the case at first.

>>148062473
>Black is just another Zamasu

You expected another villain, but it was me! Zamasu!

>>148062473
Bulma is probably going to help rebuild the future.

>>148062617
It looks like Black Zamasu is the "first" Zamasu that started to put his plans in motions. The next episode segment shows him meeting Immortal Zamasu for the first time, and Immortal Zamasu taking the potara from Gowasu (dead). So probably Black Zamasu convinced him to kill this Gowasu.

DBS assassinating Goku's character is so terrible to watch. Now he never kissed his wife?

>>148062870
Read the manga. The anime isn't canon.

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>>148062911
>Super anime is cannon
>Manga is just promotional material

>hurr isnt cannon tho!

Really nigga?

>>148060796
>Goku has never kissed Chi-chi before. That's just sad, I feel bad for Chi-chi.

Makes sense. Japanese Goku has always been a retard.
The dub would replace that with something like:

"Whoa he kissed her?"
"Are you surprised, Kakarot?"
"Well yeah, considering how long it took you to kiss Bulma!"

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>>148062870
>DBS Goku is dumber than TFS Goku

>Goku never kissed Chi Chi before
>But he fucked her at least 2 times

Whew lad.

>>148063345
>they literally just had sex for procreation
Divorce arc when?

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Is it possible that the future Bulma's time machine doesn't just travel in time, but it also changes the universe?

In earlier DBS episodes Whis mentioned that univese 6 and 7 are twin universes and that humans on earth were rendered extinct by earthlings in universe 7.

Perhaps Black Zamasu traveled from U6 to U7 after switching bodies with Goku.
That would explain why there seem to be two Zamasus in last ep. (but then who was the killed Zamasu by Beerus in ep 59?)

Someone explain please
This makes no sense

>>148062473
3 ZAMASUS

>>148063639
the magic 3rd zamasu is probably from Cell's timeline.

>>148063345

On the other hand it confirms that vegeta is a fucking kissfag.

>>148063345
>>148063434
You realize this actually makes the TFS explanation of their love life likely canon

>>148063136
It is though, because it's from toriyama and toyo themselves, anime uses just the story boards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lw2HklA-WA
From what anime is this ending theme from?
>inb4 naruto

>>148063275
No wonder chichi is such a bitch. I'm still confused by this, how could chichi get goku to learn what marriage is bUT not kissing?

>>148064033

>This video contains content from Columbia. it is not available in your country

Ok then.

>>148064059
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LKT_IcyT-s
Audio was changed in this one, try this.

>>148064059
Same here, ducking Columbia pictures man.... :v)

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>>148064018
Nigga you can't be this dumb

Toriyama stated that the anime should be treated as canon while the manga is just to promote the series. That's how it's been since day one. Take 2 seconds to Google this shit so you won't embarrass yourself anymore

>>148062870
>>148063328
Glad I'm not the only one.

>>148064147
How but you show the proof where he said that.

>>148064147
No there isn't you lying fuck. If anything toriYama always said they got goku wrong and kept him more of a heroic figure than he really was in the manga.

>>148064147
>Toriyama stated that the anime should be treated as canon while the manga is just to promote the series.
False

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Anime

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2016/05/09/future-trunks-arc-announced-dragon-ball-super/

>I write an outline of the entire plot, then the script writers break it up into episodes, expanding on things, changing things around, or adding in new bits as need be.

>Even I haven’t checked the final script yet.
>Let’s enjoy this together (laughs)!!

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-history-book-akira-toriyama-introduction/

>I had put Dragon Ball behind me, but seeing how much that live-action film ticked me off, and how I revised that script for the anime movie and complained about the quality of the TV anime, I suppose somewhere along the line it’s become a series I like too much to ever leave alone.

Manga

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-manga-vol-1-tori-toyo-interview-web-version/

>Speaking of the manga, I want to ask you two about how you put the manga together. I hear Toriyama-sensei checks the storyboards for each chapter.
>Toriyama: That’s right.

>Back when Toriyama-sensei was drawing the manga, the animators would use his manga panels as reference, imitating the composition and things like that. And now it seems that the animators are likewise using Toyotaro-sensei‘s manga as reference.
>Toriyama: Oh, that’s good! That should keep them on track!


http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-manga-vol-1-tori-toyo-interview-book-version/

>I’m really grateful to you. I never thought an artist like you would come along to draw the continuation of my story!

>>148064147
He said the anime should take after toyo's suggestions more instead of doing their own thing.

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Where my boy goten at?

What about Gohan?

Please dont do this to me toriyama '_'

>>148064301
Goten is studying how not to kiss girls
And Gohan is getting weaker

>>148064147
>calling others dumb
>acts like a retard.

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>>148064229
>toriYama
>they got goku wrong

He was talking about his portrayal in the DBZ anime dumbass, not Super. In Super Goku is a selfish retard because that's how Toriyama always wrote him. The Super anime is canon and the manga is promotional material they use storyboards from. That's it. Think before you post retard

>>148064301
God Dragon Ball fans are whiny, you can't expect every character to be involved in every arc, there are too many.

>>148064386
>because that's how Toriyama always wrote him
Wrong retard. Toriyama Goku is nothing like DBS Toei Goku fuck off.

>>148064386
Take your own advice you autistic fuck.
Anime isn't canon as presented in the post above, they still try to pass him off as the hero, not only that toriyama said they should follow toyotaro's suggestions to keep them on track. You lack reading skills you ducking twit?

>>148064467
What's he ducking from, anon?

>>148064488
Intelligence

>>148064411
You say that but 50% of the screen time in super is of the pilaf gang. Explain this. Who the fuck wants to watch that shit?

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>>148064411
>Character that people want to see more of, was really hyped up but has never gotten to do anything except fuse and has never been important to the story at any point

>"Hurr stop whining about characters being completely wasted because the creator is a lazy hack who only uses the same 2 characters over and over again"

Superfags are truly pathetic

>Zamasu switched bodies with Goku
Except Goku's future body is fucking gone? He'd need 2 wishes just to bring him back and switch bodies with him and that still wouldn't cure that Goku's virus that would still be in him

>>148064506

You shouldn't lie on the internet.

For those of you who don't understand how there are two Zamasu', one being Black. I shall explain.

When the Android/Cell Sagas happened, 4 timelines were created.

The one we know of: DBZ/Super
Future Trunk's Timeline
Cell's Timeline
And an Unseen Timeline that follows exactly like DBZ, but there is no Cell Games

Now, presumably at some point the Unseen Timeline continues on just fine, they defeat the Androids and Goku lives, as he was never killed by Cell in this timeline.

Now much like SSJ1 Trunks who became SSJ2 against Dabura, the same likely applies to the Buu Saga for the Unseen Timeline, and they manage to deal with Buu this way.

Eventually Beerus would show up, Goku would gain God powers, and everything would continue as normal. Now the difference here is that Future Trunks never shows up because Black does not exist in this timeline, yet.

The Multiverse Tournament likely happens shortly after and all the Kais attend obviously, this is likely where Zamasu learns of Goku's strength and the Super Dragon Balls, where he ultimately hunts them down, takes Goku's body, and then kills Goku, becoming Black.

Black then time travels to Future Trunks' timeline and meets that timeline's Zamasu, and convinces him of their plan to eradicate mortals.

It would stand to reason that he may have done so in other timelines as well or is in the process of doing so.

There simple. Goku is now dead in every timeline but the one we know, DBZ/Super.

>>148064520

Zamasu switched bodies with the goku from the timeline / past future trunks traveled to that got killed by cell.

It was confirmed that the cell games took place in that timeline, so it plays out like the super timeline we know, but there was no future trunks there to warn them about black and that zamasu got to knos goku through godtube.

>>148064049
she had to rape him 2 times to get sons. She's probably into it

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>>148064467
>ducking twit
>censoring yourself on /a/
>insulting other people's intelligence

Retarded newfags used to be entertaining, now it's just disgusting to see

>>148064575
Sounds right to me

>>148064514
> Hurr
I don't even care about the argument you two are having, but I want to know where you came from. I keep seeing Hurr and Hurr Durr used on imageboards now, when as recently as a year ago that was recognized as something that only facebook and reddit retards do. I really, unironically would like to know what website you came from, or if you're just south American.

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>>148064506
>>148064514
Quit bitching Future Trunks, Future Mai, Future Yajirobe, Trunks, Kaioshin and even Kibito are characters that didn't do shit in the last arc and are now getting focus in this one.

which zamasu is best zamasu?
>hakai'd zamasu
>gokuu burakku zamasu
>immortal body zamasu

>>148064647
Black easily.

Toriyama approaches you after the Universe Tournament for a new arc within Super, one that involves a new villain much like Black and it can not be a returning major villain.

What do you do? Who is the villain, who gets to come back to relevancy if any, etc.

>>148064612
Kid, if you can't tell a typo or an auto correct when you see one, then it's you who is the new fag. I even say fuck in the first sentence. So try harder next time and stay on topic but since weak argument holds no water, I can see why you resort to being a fucking retard.

>>148064575
Who created Cell + Unseen timeline? (I never understood that).

The way I saw it is the following, there is only one original timeline (Trunks timeline), however, it goes to shit so he travels into the past creating "our" timeline which branches from the point of his arrival.

I don't understand/remember where the other 2 timelines were created.

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>>148060796
in Ep 72 4:10 of Dragon Ball Kai Chichi and Goku kiss...... WTF Toei?

>>148064716
alright well get this: you know how it was said that using the dragonballs several times in a short span of time was bad? well what if their constant use of them has built up some kind of negative energy in the balls, and when they try to use them it creates en evil dragon instead. maybe split the dragon into 7 for a longer arc

>>148064744
They basically all create each other. You can work 3 of them together whether Cell's timeline comes first or Future Trunks' timeline comes first. However there are two potential issues here. Either they create each other somehow, or one of them (the one that doesn't come first) has no real reason to actually have split and exist in the first place.

Its a predestined paradox/time loop. Basically they've always existed essentially due to the others existing.

>>148064744
The cell + unseen time line was created by trunks when he went back in time to give goku the medicine. Then cell created trunks time line we know now.

>>148064647
Can any character beat Zamasu? And I'm not talking about first meeting with Goku in front of Gowasu Zamasu. I'm also not talking about Babarian murder Zamasu, having used the ki sword technique. I'm also not talking about Immortal Zamasu, after having used the Super Dragon Balls and having stolen the Time Ring to travel to the Future Trunks timeline and team up with Black Goku Zamasu. I'm also not talking about present Zamasu before being killed by Beerus, almost posessing the Time Ring and having knowledge of the Super Dragon Balls through GodTube. I'm talking about third timeline Zamasu after obtaining a Time Ring, switching bodies with Goku to Become Black Goku, teaming up with Immortal Zamasu and having achieved the ki sword, kamehameha, instant transmission and Super Saiyan Rose form, after sparring with present timeline Goku and having sustained damage from the fight with Goku, Vegeta, and Future Trunks.

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>>148064635
>There are words only used on certain websites that are considered cancer and only used by retards

Genuinely curious, did you actually fall for that meme? Or did you have a bad experience once and now hate normie shit? Did you get banned by some Nazi mod on leddit? I seriously want to know

>>148064756
Not in the manga.

>>148064804
This coming from the spouting memetard?

>>148064820
true but Toei should stay consistent within the Anime medium. They already pulled dumb anime exclusive bullshit like Ginyu Frog's adventures continuing etc.

>>148064820
But this was said in the most recent anime episode.

>>148064804
> epic
> hurr durr
> lol
> not cancer
Stop evading the question. These things were unilaterally looked down on prior to 2014.

I've never posted on Reddit.

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>>148064720
>auto correct
>typo
>Not just admitting you fucked up while typing that post in an angry autistic tirade

Show me where the bad man made you angry anon. Everything will be fine when you calm down and actually think for a minute

>>148064716
Cabba comes to gain help from Vegeta because their King has started to become more like the original Saiyans and has begun to try and become Emperor of the universe much like Frieza/Frost. Goku and Vegeta agree to help Cabba try and quell the Saiyans down, only to meet their variant versions (the King being Vegeta) and meeting people like Raditz, Bardock, Gine, etc. well their equivalents at least. But it seems the King has found a new power thanks to Cabba's SSJ form and has become increasingly stronger and more arrogant.

There ya go, its basically Black Vegeta.

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how does this make you feel?

>>148064639
>Kibito fighting Zamasu
did this happen in the anime?

>>148064900
See class we have an autistic meme spouting anon, who lost an argument and has resorted to laughing at people's typos instead of staying on topic. This is why this anon goes to the special class.

>>148064937
nope, so far we've only seen it in the manga

>>148064937
No in the manga

>>148064720
>Kid

nice job being baited into dropping to his level dipshit. learn to ignore these retards and they'll go away simple as that. how the fuck do people still not get this?

>>148064995
Then keep out of a convo if you are so good at it.

>>148064925
If it ends with the training actually working and Gohan using the techniques learned to rape Cell into submission, I can accept it as the best doujin ever written.

The explanation given sort of already makes sense and is consistent with canon though, if it's to help them stay super saiyan all the time.

Either way that art is atrocious.

>>148065036
>makes sense and is consistent with canon though
I don't think you know what fucking canon means you big fucking queer.

>>148065020
Not that guy but
> a "convo"
Just fucking type conversation you spic.
> If you're so good at talking stop talking
It doesn't even make sense on that level either. Don't you have a wall to pay for pretty soon?

>>148064942
>argument
>giving others shit about being off topic
>special class

Holy fuck this is great. More please

>>148065020
>convo

fucking spic

>>148065060
I didn't say I liked it, I'm just saying we didn't see a lot of the training and this ostensibly could've been part of it, so it doesn't contradict canon directly. I would prefer to think that Goku didn't molest his son, but he also doesn't kiss his wife apparently, so who knows.

Great DBS thread, guys!

>>148064925
That ass. More please.

>>148065061
It does make sense if you aren't a fucking retard. If you can't handle "convo" then get off the Internet you lying spic.

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Goku never had sex, Chi Chi just waited for Goku to have nocturnal emissions and took his cum to make both Gohan and Goten.

>>148065088
there is nothing "consistent with canon" about Goku molesting his son you dumbass.
He also kissed his wife in episode 72, Toei just being retards for the surprise shocker factor.

>>148065066
>>148065087
Samefag

>>148063275
What about that part at the end of thr buu saga when Golu triess to selll the old kaioshin by promising him photos of Bulma? He clearly knew what he was doing. If Chichi got two kids with him no way in hell she ever managed to make him kiss.

>>148065217
If the Manga comes out this month saying the same thing I'm going to be very confused.

>>148060796
People keep focusing so much on the fact that Goku hasn't kissed Chi Chi, that they don't seem to notice that Chi Chi could have just initiated the kiss herslef if she actually wanted it.
Since she never kissed him, that means she doesn't want it for some reason.

>>148065251
She's a traditional gal it seems, goku has to initiate.

>>148065251
they kiss offscreen ep 72 of Dragon Ball Kai, which is the Toriyama Akira official Author's cut of the anime.

>>148065157
Explain it to me then. Explain why a man would leave or ignore a conversation because he is good at conversing. That is what you typed after all.

> calling me a spic back
You clearly don't understand why I called you that. You type like a non-primary English speaker, using words like "convo" where nobody on an imageboard would. It sticks out like a sore thumb.

I'm very glad that millions of your kind are soon to be deported from my country.

>>148065217

Goku learned from a very young age that if you give people like Roshi people like Bulma they give you what you want.

>>148064925
>this is definitely not how male asses look like

are people actually into that?

>>148062749
Made me smirk.

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>>148065157
>S-Shut up! I'm not a spic! You are!

Kek. Really?

>>148064925
>>148065117
Please more, Gohan has such a sexy ass. I had this fantasy where Goku teaches his son about sex by deflowering his anus and Gohan starts questioning his gender and sexuality when he meets Videl. Piccolo could teach him about manhood and vaginas. But deep down Gohan has always been soft. So he teaches Goten about sex and forces him to rape trunks. Videl is bae btw, Launch is best DB girl, Videl is best DB girl, 10 year old Pan is beat DBGT girl and the female version of Whis is best girl. Although Whis does make me horny since he is girly, I bet Berry god of destruction has a big purple dick like in the one episode. I'm a staunch heterosexual by the way.

>>148065305
Because it had nothing to do with him.
Literally he just jumped in to give his 2 cents along with an insult, then if he is such a good english speaker his Grammer is a tad off. But the thing is, I'm not a Grammer nazi or spelling nazi like you adolf. And you clearly haven't been on this board long enough to notice that the only person who sticks out is the ass hole who starts insulting people when ever some just disagrees with them because their stupidity is showing. Really I don't give a fuck about how you type or spell, welcome to the internet, where inb4
And ITT and yes even convo is used promonatly.

>>148065403
>spic
>that's all I got

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>>148065439
>tripfag
>this entire post

Shit like this is why tripfags need to be banned. It's disgusting.

>>148065403
Guys stop fighting this is awful. Your privilege is hurting me. AMERICA needs cultural appropriation.

>>148065519
Blame the shit poster who got proven wrong.

>>148065488
Cool anime pic, Is it from that One pirate show where he eats gum and becomes rubbery?

>>148065536
I know this is off topic, but I have a YouTube channel of the same name, I talk about anime and creepypastas, check it out!

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>>148065554
>I fell for the obvious tripfag bait

Holy shit I'm stupid

>>148064801
Nice.

>>148065588
Neat no wait no neat wait no I won't sorry.

>>148060796
if goku never did it, then i wonder if people will shit on sakura less for sasuke never kissing her.

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>>148065470
You see, this is exactly what your people do in the U.S. too. You come in and shit everything up and then claim that it was always this way, and we need to leave for imposing standards.

It has always been common practice to shit on passing retards on imageboards. You're in a thread. Everyone in the thread is "part of the conversation". Do you understand this? You cant claim that it's rude for someone to join in on a reply chain. It flat out isn't the case. You're not a Grammar Nazi because you can't fucking speak English correctly, which makes you a pain to deal with and, when paired with your behavior and poor cognitive abilities, also indicates your probable ethnicity. You're probably not even a cool spic either, like a Chilean or something. I'm thinking full Mestizo or Guatemalan.

>>148065667
It wasn't the main topic and not only that you jump with your nonsense expecting not to be shit on in return? If you didn't want to be critisized back you should have kept it to your self now shouldn't you? Now do you understand? There was an argument, when you give advice about ignoring a poster you not only didn't do that you do something hypocritical by chiming in the first place. Then you get but hurt when some one calls you out on your bullshit. And it seems you can't speak English correctly either because of your own errors. So dust off your baby blanket because it seems you need it.

Why is this fanbase such cancer? I never watched the anime, only played the games. Finally decided to catch up with Super and this shit is what I see.

>>148065950
It's /a/, pretty much all fanbases here are cancer

>>148062911

Manga is just a promotional ad, you dumbass. And don't come with the "Toriyama supervises Toyble directly" excuse, because both the anime and manga use the same storyboard sketches

>>148065950
Really? That's actually a good question.
I have reasons to believe it's not just dbz fans but it's 4chan in general. I've been to so many threads that end up just like this because one asshole insults another for disagreeing. So it's not fans completely it's the short tempered fan who feels threatened when there is a disagreement.

>>148066038
Yet toriyama has stated he wants them to follow toyotaro's lead to keep them on track. I mean do we really think that copy vegeta, which had no effect on the main story is canon?

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>>148065903
> It wasn't the main topic
Doesn't matter. It's common form to join in on all "conversations" within a thread, because a thread is one long conversation. This has been the dynamic since the beginning, and it's telling that you can't wrap your head around it.
> you jump with your nonsense expecting not to be shit on in return? If you didn't want to be criticized back you should have kept it to your self now shouldn't you?
I don't know why you seem to think I wasn't prepared for an argument. Did you think I expected you not to respond or something?
> Then you get but hurt
I see you're going for the "if you respond in an argument it means you're angry and losing your composure" retard logic that's so popular among women and minorities. Couldn't I turn that around and call you butthurt too, if I wanted to be a retard?
> And it seems you can't speak English correctly either because of your own errors.
Hold up there, Raul. Any native speaker can see that my errors are dialectical, while yours stem from a poor grasp of the language. You're not going to get anything accomplished with that line of reasoning.

It's also interesting that you haven't refuted my claims regarding your race. Have you perhaps stopped and wondered why it is that I was able to identify it so easily?

>>148066038
>Manga is just a promotional ad, you dumbass.
No it isn't, the poster that revealed Dragon Ball Super manga in V Jump specifically referred to the [Dragon Ball Super] franchise, never did it ever refer specifically to the Anime.

There are 4 timelines, why is so hard to grasp? You're looking at potentially up to 4 Zamasus in total.

Zamasu from the original future timeline where Goku kills Mecha Freeza, Goku dies to heart virus, Androids kill everyone and Future Trunks goes back in time to warn everyone of Androids then comes back and kills them and ends up killed by Cell

Zamasu from the timeline created by first Future Trunks (the one killed by Cell) where Goku kills Mecha freeza, doesn't die to heart virus, everyone kill the Androids and Cell never appears.

Zamasu from the second future timeline (the one we know where "our" Future Trunks comes from) that proceeds identical to the first except this time Future Trunks defeats Cell.

Zamasu from the current "main" timeline created by Cell from timeline 1 arriving in the past, Future Trunks from second future timeline killing Mecha Freeza and everything proceeding as we know it from the manga/anime. This Zamasu has been killed by Beerus.

That leaves 3 Zamasus allive.

>>148063639
There is no U6 Zamasu, nor is there a U7 Zamasu. Gowasu is the Kaioshin of Universe 10, and Zamasu is his apprentice.
The Kai are constant throughout the universes, there is only one Zamasu, who did some wibbly wobbly timey wimey and now there's two Zamasus in the future, but not the preset.

>>148066086
>doesn't matter
It does, the whole point that you made was to ignore the fucker and you went against even that.

>turns grammer nazi thinking and thinks it's not a mistake.
Bro, who the fuck are you kidding. You making fun of my english, which you are just nitpicking, and yet you have been ignoring the rest of every one elses.
>b-but my errors make sense
So your errors are just you being retarded in your own right.
Stop making excuses for your own bull shit.
My errors are being on a phone with auto correct fucking up my posts and me being to lazy to use proper grammer because I don't give two fucks.

>>148066086
But if it's any consolation, you are keeping entertained while at work, graveyard sucks, but you make the time fly by.

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Beerus is literally the only reason I watch Super anymore

>>148066304
Space Australia

People actually think vegeta will not be the one to kill black.

>>148066075
copy vegeta was filler so that the manga could somewhat catch up to the anime.

>>148066369
as a rule (of shitty dragonball writing) goku HAS to beat at least one of them.

vegeta could beat the other, but we all know it'll be trunks if goku doesn't take both on by himself.

>>148066406
Copy Vegeta was damage control after Toei shot themselves in the foot by forcing in SSBxKK10 out-scaling Vegeta's power level by a long shot.

>>148066406
Filler isn't canon though, and if the Manga was a promotion to the show, it would follow the show and not make goku go ssg but instead go straight to blue and us kiaoken, and used the same style of arena and use the same daiologe from the show.

>herms retweeting a reddit post that plagiarized my theory
thanks reddit!

>>148066512
>if the Manga was a promotion to the show
It's a promotion for the [Dragon Ball Super] Franchise, not necessarily just the Anime adaptation. People that can't grasp this thought will forever be stuck in retarded loop.

>>148062634
>>148061193
it's not, since a "dumb" sound was played when goku said why would he know about kissing

>>148066582
what's your theory m8?

Would Goten be a good dad

>>148066583
>It's a promotion for the [Dragon Ball Super] Franchise
Earlier in the thread though people were saying it was the anime that is canon not the manga.
I always go by one rule Manga trumps Anime in lore.
The creator is closer to the manga. It's just that simple.

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>>148062870
goku in the manga has never shown affection to chi chi my man

he is childlike basically

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>tfw still waiting for herms to update us on full summaries of this two episodes

>>148066648
yep there's always going to be kiddy trolls that know no better than what Toei have given them on tv.

>>148066636
Who?

>>148066655
Where was this in the manga? Right after the tournament right?

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>>148066673
a loser

>>148066684
after final piccolo fight

>>148066694
I don't remember this holy shit. They fought each other again after the tournament?

>>148066720
No, Goku defeated Piccolo at the tournament and then this happened right after

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>>148066655
Was it rape?

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>>148065288
>>148065251
not true, that scene in Kai was overdone

this is all that happened kek

>>148066799
so did Chichi get shorter or Goku taller?

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>>148066829
if anything, toei WANTS to make goku more like a savior but toriyama won't let them

>>148066861
>Taking Gohan bye

>>148066829
>not true, that scene in Kai was overdone
It's true in the Anime continuity, and that's what I was referring to. Manga can be otherwise.

>>148066935
>It's true in the Anime continuity

It's too early to have this argument so I'm just going to call you stupid.

>>148066935
you mentioned
>which is the Toriyama Akira official Author's cut of the anime
as if to say toriyama approved of it
which isn't true, it just takes out the filler but can't take out edited scenes.

>>148066685
I wish this is what super was really about. Off-brand comedy sketches that involve goku, vegeta and friends living and adapting to the human world. I mostly want to see Goku go to a donut shop or something.

>>148066977
I'm not saying it should be canon, i'm saying it's already done and approved for within the Anime adaptation. Toei has to live with that, that's all I'm pointing at.

>>148067017
>approved for

There was nothing to be approved. It's fucking Toei and Shueisha.

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>>148067004

>>148061799
This.

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>>148067004
I wanna see flashbacks to pre-cyborgification 17 and 18 being delinquents in Penguin Village

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>>148067093
>It's fucking Toei and Shueisha.
All I'm saying is that it's canon enough for the DBZ and DBK abridged continuity. I'm not saying it should be rewriting history printed in the manga.
It's going to be very interesting to see how the events in the manga are going to unfold if a similar conversation arises.

>>148061784
In the episode where Goku fought Monaka, he said the earth might be in danger if Goku isn't at his best for the tournament.

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>>148067117
>16 had barely any characteristics
>still liked him

>>148060796
It means she didn't want to kiss him either.

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>This one's personal

>>148067409
Where's my super namek edit

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>>148067279
>likes nature
>sees the good in 17 and 18
>tells Cell to fuck himself
>thanks Kuririn politely for saving him
>respects Goku but doesn't take any shit
>sacrifices himself to tell Gohan what he needs to hear
>has a cool mohawk

Sure he had characteristics, the characteristics of a fucking bro

>>148067117

the androids are bland filler so no thanks

>>148067546

i mean, everything after frieza is filler, really. 16 is a cool character though

inb4 everything after dragonball episode 13 is filler

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>>148067618
Goku actually died when Bulma shot him in ch1, and after that is his dying dream.

>>148067537
>That smug fucking smile

>>148067908
>Stainless steel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVm7CD31EqY

>>148067908
>>148067968
deepest

>>148063275
english dub confirmed GOAT for once

>>148061840
Timelines shouldn't even fuck matter since "future trunks" still exist when goku and friends "defeated" the androids in their timeline.

>>148063903
>TFS explanation

what?

>>148060796
still caring about DBShit hahaha

>>148068232
https://youtu.be/8EuyySqI3EA?t=8m58s

8:58

>>148068232
BIG
SAIYAN
DICKS

These threads have become complete cancer ever since it was taken over by manga shills.

The manga's trash btw.

>>148064033
Dragon Ball Super https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B90kz6nSm1U

>>148067618
>>148067908

filler arc about goku having flashbacks of finding grandpa gohan's crushed dead body when

>>148068399
you have to be 18 to post on 4chan newfriend

>>148068399
No you

>>148068344
And that's how Goten was made then huh?

That clothing line idea is actually pretty nice.

>>148068434
Yeesh

>>148068453
It was the the only chance they had so yeah.

Goku has spent more time with Beerus in one series than he has with Chi Chi in their entire marriage

i'd let lonely chi chi clap that ass on me

>>148068533
>kamehasutra.jpg

>>148068399
The threads have been complete shit since the first couple of episodes, it's become worse as the show slowly improved.

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>tftw have to filter the word manga and canon because retards keep spamming the same shit over and over

Dragon Ball Super literally couldn't exist without Toyotaro. Imagine if Toei was left to their own device with just Toriyama's manuscripts. How fucked would we be?

inb4 canon is filler

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>>148068721
here is some canon manga for (You)

>>148068749
Super is garbage, couldn't be any worse than this desu.

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>>148068781
woah

it's like pottery

>>148068796

It could. It could have One Piece level pacing.

>>148065403
I'd show her my dick and tell her to suck it and then we proceed to have lewd sex until morning.

>>148068752
>implying the driving episode isn't canon

>just watched the episode
>of all the things Black could've been they went with the most retarded one

I'm not even surprised

>>148068891

Nah, it's actually the one that makes the most sense and not your retarded broly/goten/ginyu theories you hold so dear.

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>>148068781
Why the redraw of the original?

>>148068399
These threads have been cancer since Super started because Super is cancer

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>>148068891
>expecting anything other than the most obvious from Super

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>>148068968

>>148069080
>even the word bubbles are in the same place
POTTERY

>>148069080
Why is Kakarot's boot talking?

>>148068965
>broly/goten/ginyu theories
I don't even know about those, I just thought they would come up with something not everyone was thinking from the start

>>148069136
Goku's foot: "Za--"
Vegeta's hair: "Suu~"

>>148069136
It's SFX, Toriyama put 'em in bubbles sometimes.

>>148069166
>Za
>Su
>ZAMASU

>>148062870
He's never stuck his lips to hers and fed her a senzu. They never used the word kiss at all.

>>148063136
Don't bother with mangafags, they're actually retarded.

>>148069201
>Don't bother with mangafags, they're actually retarded.
you're the retard for barging into a thread without reading it. If you haven't noticed you're the only retard here.

>>148069250
Sorry angry ESL "Source"fag, but I don't care about whatever line you copy pasted for the 700th time about Toyotaro being a Toriyama fanboy and Toriyama saying "Yeah your manga is cool." The anime is canon, Toriyama has never said anything about the manga being canon, Toyotaro can't panel or choreograph fights to save his life, and if Toriyama actually doesn't like the anime he'd change it exactly like he did with the movies. You're only argument is saying "Look, they edit his script because he just writes a story instead of anime style storyboards" and "Toyotaro asked Toriyama to check his manga and Toriyama said it was good."

Unless you have Toriyama actually saying that the manga is the real version, in plain Japanese, then you are now and forever objectively wrong.

>Toriyama said this
>Toriyama said that
Doesn't matter, he's a hack that keeps contradicting himself.

>>148069311
>The anime is canon
the anime has always been nothing but an adaptation and Super is no different. It is an adaptation of Toriyama's source plot outlines which act as the manuscripts for the two mediums.
He works closer in hand overseeing the production of the manga unlike leaving the anime up to Toei with just his outlines.
I can't believe we have to explain this shit to retard newfags every single thread.
Even the poster that revealed the manga referred to the [Dragon Ball Super] franchise and never mentioned it as a promotion specifically to the anime.

>>148068862
to be fair
Gohan trained trunks

>>148069330
>that keeps contradicting himself.
Actually the beauty of his writing is that he 100% pulls everything out of his ass as he goes along, but he doesn't actually contradict himself. Between the manga and Super (the only canon parts) there aren't contradictions.

>>148069387
>the anime has always been nothing but an adaptation and Super is no different
The Dragonball and Dragonball Z anime were adaptations of Akira Toriyama's Dragonball manga. Dragonball Super is an original anime with the story written by Akira Toriyama. They are in no way, shape or form comparable. I don't think you actually know what the word adaptation means.

>I can't believe we have to explain this shit to retard newfags every single thread.
And I can't believe how stupid third worlders are about Dragonball.

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>>148068781
>>148068823
>>148068862
>>148068968
>>148069080
makes you think

>>148069311
Except only a few elitists care about canon or not canon, and you can't force people to stop enjoying what isn't... or what you think isn't, because after all, it's only your opinion, only subjective. God why do the elite fags always have to show off their tiny dicks like that?

>>148069440
>The Dragonball and Dragonball Z anime were adaptations of Akira Toriyama's Dragonball manga. Dragonball Super is an original anime with the story written by Akira Toriyama. They are in no way, shape or form comparable. I don't think you actually know what the word adaptation means.
The reason I used the term adaptation is because we're dealing with 2 continuities of the storyline.
When comparing the DBS Manga and Anime, it clearly has diverging continuities, thus I referred to them as merely adaptations of Toriyama's source plot outlines.
This is some basic information I hope your basic brain can comprehend.

>>148069452
Why couldn't gohan just fucking win this

>>148069502
Because fuck you

>>148069502
Because Toriyama is a hack.

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>>148069502
because then they would've need to make another reason to bring Goku and Vegeta back from dead

>>148069466
>and you can't force people to stop enjoying what isn't... or what you think isn't
You're absolutely right that I can't change what people like, nor do I care to. That said, claiming the manga is the source is a lie, and people shouldn't go spreading lies on the internet.

>>148069483
>The reason I used the term adaptation
There is no reason. You used the word objectively incorrectly because you're an idiot desperately trying to make a point. You're wrong because Super is not an adaptation. It's very black and white.

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>>148069502
>gohan
>wining anything on his own
he only won against cell since vegeta and the others are distracting him in the beam struggle and his daddy comes to his aid once again

>>148069502
because it's in his character to start playing with enemies who are weaker than him

>>148069502

>build up gohan the whole arc to get outsmarted and absorbed by pink blob after 5 mins

heh

>>148069561
>gohan is a sadist
Do you think he beats videl?

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This thread

>>148069547
>You're wrong because Super is not an adaptation. It's very black and white
Yes it is, you can't even use the term "Super" correctly. You didn't specify if it's Manga or Anime continuities.
When the Manga was revealed to be a "promotion" for [Dragon Ball Super] he never stated it was a promo for the Anime. The [Super] franchise is therefore has 2 adaptations stemming from the source plot outlines. Why are you gagging on Toei's dick so much?

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Veggy is a stupid jobber

>>148069542
I don't get it

>>148069622
oh shit this isn't the jojo thread i did a duwang

>>148063345
look up "doggie style"

>>148069575
>263 episodes
>497 Chapters
>6 years
to get fucked
in 5 minutes
>>>click here to find out how<<<

>>148069575

>be gohan
>get build up for the whole arc
>can't catch a fucking earring

lel

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>>148069595
she's satan so of course
she like's it

>>148069639
I know you don't

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>>148069635
I wonder how Vegeta and Bulma's dad get on.

>>148069701
they come along nicely as long as Vegeta keeps out of the basement

>>148069561

I wonder where Gohan would be if he didn't get bitten in the ass everytime he went on a sadist streak and it started to spill over to his normal attitude without him needing to lose it first.

>>148069735
in hell

>>148069701
>tfw your daughter married manlet NEET

>>148069623
>Yes it is,
No it's not. It's not an adaptation of an exist manga, book, game, movie, poem, song or any other piece of art or literature or interactive medium. You are factually wrong.

>When the Manga was revealed to be a "promotion" for [Dragon Ball Super] he never stated it was a promo for the Anime.
That's because they're never called promo's officially. Even when an LN gets an anime and a shitty manga spinoff, they're only called promotional or spinoff if they tell side stories. If you'd have watched more than 20 whole animes in your life you'd understand this. You'd also understand that when it was announced all the info and promotion was done for the anime, and the fact that the manga has an actual mangaka, unlike the anime which is just teams to adapt Toriyama's story (which he calls Dragonball Super without mentioning the manga in speaking about the new series) means it sure as hell isn't the source.

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>>148069782

>>148069547
>claiming the manga is the source is a lie,
no one claimed the manga is the source you dipshit. Everyone with half a brain knows by technicality the Plot outlines that Toriyama initially created that the two mediums are based off is the only true canon if you wanted to get technical. The thing is that Toriyama is actually involved in reviewing the manga and oversees it unlike leaving the anime up to Toei after he hands them the bare manuscript.

>>148069788
>means it sure as hell isn't the source.
We keep telling you the source is the manuscripts he writes himself. I think you need to figure out what source means.

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>>148069782
>NEET
>implying Veggy is ever N T

>>148069840
>no one claimed the manga is the source you dipshit.
Except at the start of the thread he claimed the anime isn't canon but the manga is.

>>148069885
>I think you need to figure out what source means.
Do you actually know what source material, adaptation and canon mean? It doesn't mean "The version of the story I like best."

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>>148069788
>No it's not. It's not an adaptation of an exist manga, book, game, movie, poem, song or any other piece of art or literature or interactive medium. You are factually wrong.
Toyotarō currently works on the Dragon Ball Super manga adaptation, which runs monthly in Shueisha’s V-Jump magazine, having previously contributed the Dragon Ball Heroes: Victory Mission series and a three-chapter Resurrection ‘F’ introduction. “Toyotarō” is, in all likelihood, a second pen-name used by Dragon Ball AF fan manga author and illustrator “Toyble”.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/
Looks like I'm not the only one referring to it as an adaptation you dumb cuck.

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> Black = Zamasu

But Beerus killed Present Zamasu, and Black hangs with Future Zamasu.

Is there a third one?

Are Black and Zamasu the same character (with personality and all), or is this a Kid Trunks/Future Trunks scenario where the same characters are different entirely?

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> Goku never kissed Chi-chi

I wonder if that's mentioned in Toriyama's outline, or if it's a Toei addition?

Either way, I guess it does fit Goku's character.

>>148069979
Infinite Zamasus.
When they start losing Zamasu will asspull thousands of Zamasu from infinite timelines. All future villains will have a scooby doo moment where they pull off the mask and its Zamasu.
In the multiverse tournament there will be a universe where everyone is Zamasu.

>>148069950
The manga is an adaptation because it's not the source material. What point do you think you just proved?

Seriously, how retarded are you?

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Toyble/Toyataro's resume:

> DB AF Doujin
> DB Heroes Manga Adaptation
> RoF Movie Manga Adaptation
> DBS Manga Adaptation
> DB XV2 Manga Adaptation

Is this about right?

>>148070031
Multiple things in the original db suggest this as well as the buu saga... But who gives a shit.

Mai is a whore anyway.

Literally flirting, opening your lips and legs like that ....

>>148070074
I proved my point that it's an adaptation, which was correct use of my vocabulary numb nuts.
You're the one talking in circles ranting about source material getting baited by some idiot's comment from the beginning of the thread.

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>>148070031
Super Goku's character, maybe. Not so much the original.

>>148069782
>one daughter marries a NEET
>the other hangs out with an old dude in an island
He must be disappointed

>>148070080
Better than the onepiece guy

>>148070031
Perfect ending for this arc would be Goku returning home and kissing Chichi.

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>>148070112
> Goku doesn't know the difference between a boy and a girl
> Goku thought "marriage" was food
> Goku doesn't know what sexual harrassment is

I'd say this fits his manga personality as well.

Also nowhere in that pic does he mention kissing.

>>148070124
>one daughter sold her pussy to an old martial art perv, a pig-like man, a nazi-like organization
>the other does nothing and lives with a granpa

>>148070098
>I proved my point that it's an adaptation
But no one said the manga wasn't an adaptation. I said the manga is the adaptation and the anime is the source.

Seriously, how stupid are you?

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>>148069652
>>148063345
More proof this is canon

>>148070124
>Grandson gets together with homeless peson
>granddaughter is daddy's little princess who doesn't need to do anything to get everything

>>148070202
>I said the manga is the adaptation and the anime is the source.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE FUCKING WRONG RETARD.
The anime has never been the source ever.
The manga is an adaptation of Toriyama's plot outlines: aka the "manuscript"
That's why the MANGA was fucking AHEAD of the god damn ANIME up until half way through Universe 6 you dumb fuck.

>>148070249
>The manga is an adaptation of Toriyama's plot outlines
You really have no idea what adaptation means, do you?

Also, caps lock doesn't make you any less stupid or any less wrong.

>>148070235
>somehow this is the richest family on the planet

>Goku has never kissed Chi-chi before.

Can't believe people is this stupid.

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>>148070202
BOTH the manga and anime are based on Toriyama's outlines.

The outline itself (which we'll never see) is the source. Neither the manga or anime is the original source.

We can only guess what's filler (pic related).

>>148070314
I wonder how rich Satan is

>>148070302
okay prove to me that the "anime is the source"
pro tip you fucking can't because you're so wrong it's fucking funny.

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>>148063345

>>148070337
>BOTH the manga and anime are based on Toriyama's outlines.
That's cool, but only one is the source material.

>>148070341
>okay prove to me that the "anime is the source"
The source is the main product. It's what's canon. An outline or an idea can not be source material. Anime or manga can be. Dragonball Super is primarily an anime. Please reference any interview about Super, especially the first one. Toriyama looking over Toyotaro's notes and patting him on the back doesn't make the manga canon or the source material. You're really stupid.

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>mfw the prince of all Saiyans finally gets his moment and defeats ""Goku"" and saves the future from Black and Zamasu
>mfw it's finally FINALLY a good time to be a Vegetafag

>>148070341
Not that anon, but the fact that:
> the DBS anime was announced first
> the manga is used as a promotional device for the anime
> manga is done by an artist who only works on fan/promotional material

If I had to pick either the anime or manga as the "source", I'd go with the anime.

But as this comment said >>148070337
I don't think either of them are really the source material.

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>>148070338
>>148070338
A LOT

>>148070405
>The source is the main product. It's what's canon
that's where you're wrong retard, we're in a special predicament thanks to how Toriyama and Toei is handling the Super franchise.
Your arbitrarily force definition holds no meaning in this context whatsoever.
>>148070405
>doesn't make the manga canon or the source material
except no one ever stated it's the source material. It is canon however to the MANGA'S continuity. You do know how continuities work in mediums of art right?

>>148070408
Goku will press the button at that point

>>148070483
>Goku presses the button and asks Zeno to rewind time just so he can steal the glory again

>>148070337
It's sad really. I just want to know if kaioken blue was toriyama idea or toei. Did no one ask him about it?

>>148070459
>Your arbitrarily force definition holds no meaning in this context whatsoever.
You realize that you can't throw out the definitions of the words because you want to believe somehow Super is some super special project that defies conventions, right?

>You do know how continuities work in mediums of art right?
Yup, Dragonball the manga and Dragonball Super the anime are the continuity of the story of Dragonball. All other anime, manga, games and movies are spinoff cashgrabs, merchandising or fanfic bullshit (that's the kind you probably like best).

>>148070522
>You realize that you can't throw out the definitions of the words because you want to believe somehow Super is some super special project that defies conventions, right?
how can the Anime be the "source" material if it lagged behind the manga in terms of storytelling? How can it be the source if it's second hand information???
Face the facts faggot, the only source material we'll ever come to terms with is the Plot Outlines by Toriyama himself.
keep sucking that Toei dick though, I'm sure you love guzzling down that thick filler.

>>148070405
>>148070439

These. The anime was advertised as the main medium for Super in particular and there's no getting around that fact.

Toyblefags of course are still mad that their shitty manga holds no more relevance than the anime, so they won't listen to common sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LKT_IcyT-s

>>148070629
see
>>148064266

>>148070609
>how can the Anime be the "source" material if it lagged behind the manga in terms of storytelling?
Source material doesn't mean "What's farther ahead."

Enjoy AF.

>>148070629
It's just dumb Brazilians who want their fanfic to be canon.

>>148070629
Does anyone even read the manga once it stopped being ahead of the anime?

>>148070609
>how can the Anime be the "source" material if it lagged behind the manga in terms of storytelling?

It only "lagged behind" during the very beginning of the U6 arc, gramps. Get with the times you old piece of shit, the anime has been ahead of the manga for a long time now.

>>148070655
Manga was telling the story of Champa and the Universe 6 arc while Anime was playing catchup and dragging through RoF fillers. All while they failed miserably to replicate the quality of the manga.
here is a quote again for reference:

>Back when Toriyama-sensei was drawing the manga, the animators would use his manga panels as reference, imitating the composition and things like that. And now it seems that the animators are likewise using Toyotaro-sensei‘s manga as reference.
>Toriyama: Oh, that’s good! That should keep them on track!

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I think this image sums up my feelings.

Will they ever find those dragon balls?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUXe8vqdvx4

>>148070693
>Get with the times you old piece of shit, the anime has been ahead of the manga for a long time now.
Filler arcs like Copy Vegeta is not canon so you can't even count that.
As of now they're both on the Zamasu Arc and the lag discrepancy is negligible. Matter of fact, there's many little tidbits that we first heard from the manga such as the connection of Kais and Gods of Destruction.

>>148070713
Yes, rookie animators, which Toei has a million of used the manga panels as drawing references. What point do you think you just made?

Seriously, you're really stupid.

>>148070648
At best, all you've proven is that Toriyama """approves""" Toyotaro's chapters. But he still didn't write them in their entirety, and both Toyotaro and Toei adapt from his scripts in their own way.

Stay mad, Toyblepleb.

>>148070777
The point is those rookie pinoys at Toei Phillipines are literally trying to replicating a pre-estabalished content.

I don't watch Super because the last 4 movies killed the hype for me, but I have been hearing a little bit of what is going on currently.
Can anyone tell me what exactly is Zamasu? Is there a chart for dummies explaining the hierarchy of the gods, kaio shins and kaio samas and stuff?

>>148070677
It has some cool stuff still - like expanding upon Trunks vs Dabura and shit

I tend to use the manga as a companion piece to the anime

>>148070795
>But he still didn't write them in their entirety
no one is stating this retard.

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So what's this about a toy leak?

>>148070813
No, they're just trying to stay on model and position the characters correctly. You know that animation slaves don't determine the story, right?

I feel like I need to call you stupid again just to stress how amazingly, impossibly stupid you are.

>>148070677
Yes for information for supreme kai and gods of destruction viva life link and stuff like black jumping time lines while the anime explains that much later. Also in full detail how the future dabura fight with future trunks went down instead of a mini shitty flashback.

>>148070845
Good. Then you admit that the manga's footing is no higher than the anime's.

The end of Dragonball as a franchise should be Goku screaming in hell

>>148070882
>Good. Then you admit that the manga's footing is no higher than the anime's.
wrong, the manga edges out because it actually has Toriyama involved in the publishing process making it an authentic experience panel to panel.
Unlike the Anime which is just Toei left to their own device, it's riddled with inconsistencies and events that could be additional to the source plot outlines without us knowing what they are. (such as the addition of Kaioken to resolve the battle with Hit)
At the end of the day they're both just merely adaptations of the source manuscripts though and we'll never get to see what he initially wrote to them.

>>148070830
>I tend to use the manga as a companion piece to the anime

The funny part is that it was actually advertised as such, too.

The manga sometimes has its differences but for the most part it was meant to compliment the anime and serve as supplemental background material that the anime itself doesn't necessarily contain. Likewise, the anime has been known to have background info that the manga didn't touch on, so they're really more like companions to each other for people who want the full context of things.

>>148071005
>At the end of the day they're both just merely adaptations of the source manuscripts
The level of retardation Mexicans show in DB threads about wishing their fanfic was canon is astounding.

>>148071025
it also lets them retcon colossal fuck ups like letting Toei stack SSB with Kaioken.
Luckily they learned from their mistake and SSBxKK10 is literally cut out from the Gowasu scene of him watching the fight on GodTube.

>>148060796
>Goku has never kissed Chi-chi before.
How ? Chichi doesn't look like the kind of woman that would hold back.

>>148070887

finally an anon who gets it

>>148071005
>because it actually has Toriyama involved in the publishing process

If he's only "involved" to the degree that he's okaying chapters, he's not terribly involved. You haven't proven anything here, and it still doesn't change the fact that the anime is the main product.

>it's riddled with inconsistencies

You mean like the manga's reuse of SSG despite the fact that Toriyama said it couldn't be achieved again without the ritual? Or what about Vegeta not being able to life a thousand tons as a Super Saiyan? What about Beerus's motive for not destroying the earth being changed from what it was in BoG?

You're reaching so much at this point it's pathetic.

>>148071037
>"I've been proven wrong on multiple occassions so i'll just pretend my opposition is Le Mexican! xD"

>>148064301
I'm starting to think Goten missing on this arc was a redflag.

>>148070648
Just because Toriyama checks Toyataro's storyboards doesn't make it canon.

Toriyama even said himself that he encourages Toyataro to be more creative and include his own content

>>148071241
>Just because Toriyama checks Toyataro's storyboards doesn't make it canon.
I’ve been drawing manga less often these days, so Toyotaro has has taken up the mantle of drawing Dragon Ball. I still contribute the basic ideas, but Toyotaro’s wonderful skills allow the Dragon Ball universe to be brought back to life in the present.
-Toriyama

>>148061702
>There's some funny Shit outta Luck episodes
What

>>148071272
> commenting on Toya's art

...ok, and?

>>148071241
>Toriyama even said himself that he encourages Toyataro to be more creative and include his own content
"It's better that way" -Toriyama