>monogatari series makes up nearly 50% of their output in the last few years
>the oishi style rip-off squad have no weight behind their directing
>barely any sakuga in their shows
>their narratives are always shit
>poor at character portrayal
>production disasters always guaranteed
>eternal slaves to aniplex
Is there no hope left for this sad studio?
>>147618118
>>the oishi style rip-off squad have no weight behind their directing
Second Season blows Bake out of the water though.
>>147618118
still better than bones and dogakobo after five good years, and just as many bad years as Kyoani had to go through, long term it's hard for any studio to keep making the same type of shows
Eh, I still end up liking most the stuff they put off. The only SHAFT shows I've disliked in the past few years are Mekakushitty (shit script and series compsition) and Nisekoi (shit source material).
>>147618118
>barely any sakuga in their shows
But when the good animation shows up it tends to be amazing though. Kizumonogatari has got some amazing animation, I doubt Koe no Katachi can compete in that regard.
Shaft will probably attempt one more "Big Hit" now that its desperate and Monogatari/Madoka no more brings cash, and if fails just shrink down to what its been before vegetating and producing stuff like Maria Holic and Sasami-san
Nisio adaptations lost their magic, mostly because people get to used to the repetition and shit direction, and not even Nisios best work adapation now attracts attention since its Shaft.
My bet would be however, Shinbo trying again what he loves most, doing Vampires - and making ANOTHER vampire anime, possibly switching from Nishio train to Narita with Vamp! or somethign.
>>147618558
>I doubt Koe no Katachi can compete in that regard.
Few Umetsu scenes dont make a movie look any decent compared to perfect nuanced 100% of time character animation of KnK.
>>147618118
>poor at character portrayal
I disagree. Kizumono is great in that regard.
>>147618693
Umetsu's work wasn't even the best in Kizu, there are many better cuts in the movie. Kizu has a fair amount of good character animation too.
>>147618118
You put up the wrong sign mate.
>tfw love both SHAFT and KyoAni shows
>>147618982
KyoAni atm is at top form, likely better than ever and all they need is to get some good material to adapt.
Shaft atm is roting and decaying, and needs to die and start anew. All the talented people left, style of direction and visuals is outdated and people fed up with it. Even best material cant save Shaft since Shaft will find way to fuck it up and underperform.
>no szs season 4
>the seven year laugh is now being post-dated
>>147619089
Shinbo, Oishi, and Takeuchi need to leave and form their own studio.
Prove me wrong.
Studiowarriors still at it.
>>147619130
Go back to roots and make a show together with Gainax
Who need Shaft nowadays?
Trigger and Mappa are new hots. Whitefox failed to become anything but JC Staff 0.5.
Plus theres always Ufotable and GoHands
>>147619418
0/10
>>147619130
isn't Shaft basically their studio though
>>147619418
>Mappa
>resorting to idol anime
>founder left to form another studio
And let's not get into the fact that ufotable is basically fucked with production schedules forever
>>147619646
>idol
>bad
>>147619130
Join Oonuma at Silver Link.
Not sure if the based White Godfox meme is real or not, but why not make another literally-who studio come out of nowhere?
Plus they have a good start with NNB.
>>147620378
>idolshit
>watchable
>>/jp/
>>147618118
What the hell happened to Prism Nana?
>>147620878pachinko
>>147620878
screen privately
>>147618202
SS is hot garbage and looks like a fucking rehash.
>>147618202
>SS
>better directing than Bake
>>147620878
Not happening with enthusiasm for Madoka fading fast. Or maybe they're scared of YYY-esque critcism.
Shaft is a loser studio and will be rebranded as A-2 before long
ITT: Studios you wish to see go bankrupt.
It sucks to know that after waiting so long for the Madoka finale it is likely going to suck.
>>147621191
Studio pierrot.
>>147621191
shaft
toei
>>147621191
Sunrise. Its crash will spawn dozen new studios.
there was a huge drought of original shows between koufuku graffiti and lion, with only kizu keeping the old shaft alive
>>147621191
>Wanting companies to go under with dozens of people losing their jobs just because they create something you don't like
edgy
>>147622065
I think the sad part about Shaft is that I consider anything that isnt more fucking bakemono original at this point, even if its just a manga adaptation.
I mean enough is enough at this point, the BD sales have dropped from their original 80k to nearly 30k ffs
>>147623500
The monogatari is going to continue being milked until sales stop be profitiable. The reason why the monogatari series even existed for so long is because of the anime. Nisio could of had stop at any point, but apparently was impressed by the effort put into the anime and was inspire to keep writing more which leads to the constant milking we keep getting of this franchise.
>>147623894
fuck nisio
risuka deserves an adaptation
>all this Shaft hate
I mean, whatever. It's just the cycle of hating whatever is popular as usual. But to be honest I still like what they do. Don't really see a problem.
Intro to Kizu part one is AOTY so far, March Lion is the most promising new show next season. I dunno, they're doing okay but maybe only comparatively to how poor the rest of the year's going.
>>147624374
0/10
ITT: YunoHi Yuno!
>>147624461
100% sincere and non-bait opinion. I pour my heart out to you and this is what I get? I'm hurt anon.
>>147624368
>popular
>everything flops
That's not how it works.
>>147623500
30k is still spectacular sales-wise, it's just not mega-hit 80k.
>>147624621
>flops
Haven't looked recently but from what I saw, yes the sales are declining but they are still more than what most series in that current season make.
>>147624683
Everything not named Monogatari since 2011 has flopped. Everything. And nowadays even the Monogatari movies are flopping hard with tickets and BDs underperforming.
>>147624818
Rebellion did fucking great
>>147624818
It's still sells well for something that been dwindling in popularity as more time goes by. I doubt other series would of had last this long of a milking that Monogatari has been through. The movies definitely could of done better when it was still at it's prime, but those days are over. I'm just glad the movies even exist since I thought they've been cancelled after hearing nothing about it for so long.
>>147625037
I thought we were talking about TV shows. But yeah Madoka sold really fuckig well.
>>147625094
I was talking about the numbers of everything else. Shaft is trash when it comes to selling anything not named MadoGatari.
>>147625163
Yeah that's true. Hopefully they able to adapt good works in the future so they can get out of that rut.
>>147624471
Hidamari Sketch is Shaft's best work
>>147624818
>Everything not named Monogatari since 2011 has flopped
Since 2012 onwards and ignoring Madoka
Notflop:
>Nisekoi S1 and S2 6k-4k
>Mekaku actors - 7k (underperfomed considering series popularitybut 7k is still enough to make a significant net profit)
>HidaSketch Honeycomb - 7k
Flop:
>KoGraffiti - 1.5k
>Salami - 1.5k
>>147625498
Ironically the flops were the only decent Shaft shows made since 2011
>>147618118
Why are their obscure shows so much more enjoyable than the more mainstream ones? I think Hidamari is the only one I've truly enjoyed out of the most notable big ones but I find their lesser known work better.
>>147625641
Madoka and Monogatari are easily their best work.
>>147625498
>Denpa Onna
>Maria
>Nisekoi
>Kagerou Daze
>not flops
Shaftdrones are as unhinged as always.
kyoanus fags blown out. FACT.
>>147625712
>shartfag damage controlling kizu's flop
>>147618118
Hey, I love Shaft, but if we're hating on them ITT, might as well throw in:
>Pig terrible CG
It physically hurt that they used so much CG in Kizu. Of the scenes it was used, only one or two looked halfway decent. The rest just makes the (actually decent) 2D parts look out of place and weird.
>>147625163
>Madoka
They've made more Nisekoi than Madoka by this point (unfortunately). Call them the Nisekoimonogatari studio. There's a lot of Nisekoi merch floating around out there too, btw.
>>147626111
Trips confirm
>>147625677
Madoka>>>>>>>>Monogatari
SZS>>>Madoka
>>147625685
Can we see some actual numbers on those shows? Kagerou wasn't a flop according to >>147624818. I thought anons knew better than to take shitposters' words as-is.
>>147621191
Gokumi. Oh wait...
>>147620714
Will 2017 be the year of God Link?
>>147626897
Kagerou was a huge flop, first of all there was a massive advertising campaign like all Aniplex shows, and second the episodes sold for fucking 3k yen each, meaning that even the 7k sales they had were really 3k at best.
>>147627165
Doesn't that have to do with the fact they got the original author to storyboard the show instead of directing it themselves?
>>147620378
>idol
>not bad
>>147627098
Not after the garbage that was 3rei. Oonuma failed us.
>>147627261
Idolshit is the cancer of modern anime.
>>147627261
Take that carcinogen to kyoanus and keep it there.
>>147620378
>He defends Trash! Euphonium
>He defends Trash Live!
>He defends The iTR@SHTER
All terrible shows in the same vein of waifubait garbage. The producers of these terrible shows should take up producing hentai instead of an actual show, because softcore porn, shitty doujins, and tentacle rape are all these people want of their shitty copy paste idols. Why even bother wasting their time on the story?
>>147618118
oh wow look at this babby's first fucking stereotyped mainstream sell-out garbage autismal mediocre low-budget casual low-powerlevel ADHD hardsubs streamfag hyped spoon-fed otaku-pandering objectively bad aspie haremshit overrated DEEP deconstruction NTR cliche trope-filled generic ANGST mary sue underage escapist self-insert PLOT armor beta MC shonen edgy teenager gratuitous shock-value gore broken-powerlevels moeshit corporate product placement weeaboo kawaii uguu~ fetishist suspension of disbelief random asspulls garbage slutty waifu sakurafish Gainax bouncing fanservice NEET-pandering downs syndrome filler arcs beach onsen vapid 4kids dubbed censored episodes WORDSWORDSWORDSWORDSWORDS cutout sameface 1-dimensional yaoi fujoshitbait characters shipperfag yuri tsundere fanwank braindead insulting and poorly written rushed and atrocious inconsistent convoluted vocaloid pedoshit last-place-on-sale-charts nolstagia googles grimDERP nico-nico 2ch otaku-pandering suffering porn ahegao face consumerist kiddy casual pretentious failed experimental anti-USA nanking-rape denying trainwreck watered-down plothole-ridden homoshit Evangelion wannabe hollywood rip-off unoriginal yandere RAPE RAPE RAPE lol so randum/b/ xD uninteresting anticlimactic DROPPED shallow haircut character development cancerous butchered DEEN QUALITY 8 frames per second mouthflapping powerpoint slideshow outsourced korean putrid soulless CG animation photoshop-filter backgrounds poorly done JC Staff adaptation hipster entry-level timeskip forced drama cop-out power of friendship deus ex machina predictable tearjerker TWEEST BONES original content shit ending with circlejerking delusional and easily trollable flavor of the month general threads imagedumps tripfaggotry sadpanda.jpg vlcsnap shitkaku 4:3 14 inches CRT Mac monitor arrogant retarded Guy Fawkes mask facebook protests cosplayer dubs-obsessed niwaka fanbase that's killing the niwaka industry -production
So this is the power of A-2?
>>147628203
ironic or not, someone thought it was worth their time to make this image and that's just depressing.
>>147628183
One of those shows does not fit.
Will SHAFT ever move on from their cookie cutter bake direction? It stopped being interesting a while ago
>>147628451
no, because it gets them money. I say give it another two seasons before they drop this awful formula. Dropped the show after season one when I realized every episode was the same garbage over and over, just reskinned with a different waifu
>>147628451
who the fuck directed that scene?
>>147628451
I want the entirety of Sodachi Fiasco like that.
>>147620714
>Join Oonuma at Silver Link.
No
>>147628614
Why not? NNB is the gold standard for SOL. Their future looks bright.
>>147629176
The golden standard for SoL is K-On my little newfriend.
>>147629251
What did it do that biyori didn't massively improve upon?
Did K-Off deal with the life and death cycle?
Didn't think so.
Last Shaft show that had actual Shinbo style and actual animation where they attempted to give a fuck was Vampire Bund. After gaining Monogatari S1 money, Shaft attempted to step up with this show and failed majorly - after that returning to no risk poor formula and only having breakthrough thanks to Madoka.
Still, nowhere past Vampire Bund you`ll see the kind of animation (also occasionally, as usual half episodes were poor as fuck) Shinbo actually strives to do since SoulTaker times. Even the new 3gatsu is just another pseudo-monogatari visual iteration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpDUpmftuDE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7YkgIbZSZc
Shaft is dead. What we have now is merely a roting corpse.
>>147629367
>What did it do that biyori didn't massively improve upon?
K-On had better characters, animation, voice acting, theme songs.
NNB had marginally better backgrounds though.
>>147629387
Then Shino and co should come to God Link.
>>147629484
I noticed you didn't say plot or story though.
>>147629531
Because both NNB and K-On have barely any. SoLs are entirely character driven. The characters make the show, and guess which has the better ones? Hint, not NNB.
>>147629387
They gave quite a fuck about Madoka, pleb. For a look at what that show would've been like without Shinbos style or his friends in Inu Curry , go no further than the mediocrity of yucky tuna or daybreak illusion.
>>147629582
Depends. Sol != Sol
Sols can be melancholic, healing, gag comedy, even tragic. Entirely different things.
K-On has little in common with NNB as both have little in common with Yuruyuri and Azumanga or them with Mushishi or Planetez.Best sols are gag sols and proper ranking is : 1) Ichigo Mashimaro 2) Minami-ke 3) everything else
>>147629387
>soultaker and vampire bund
animemaru doesn't need new writers.
>>147629582
And how exactly are the k-offs more developed and interesting than the biyoris?
It's official, the kyoanus coven has replaced madofags as the bane of /a/.
>>147629687
Madoka is a lucky Aniplex mutant. It did infact, nothing new compared to the actual classic- Sailor Moon adaptation by Ikuhara (albeit its achievement to properly replicate it, which Toei in new version failed utterly).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLY6wx0WQsc
>These NNBfags thinking their shit show can even hold a candle to the literal epitome of SoL
Come back to me when it becomes as successful as K-On.
>>147618693
>Yoshinari bros
>Gen'ichirou Abe
>Ryo Imamura
>Hironori Tanaka
>don't compare
Get your eyes checked. This scene right here is more beautifully animated than anything in KnK. And the character animation in Kizu was even better than KyoAni's too.
https://sakuga.yshi.org/data/7b706f8ef96e1513b210f8f9a8a4b889.mp4
>>147630154
That was the only good scene, none of the character animation held a candle to KyoAni's though.
>>147630154
Sure thing pal. All the 2 minutes worth of sakuga in Kizu are sure amazing.
>>147630154
This is animated worse than comparable scenes from KnK and not the NEW KnK, but actual Kyoukai no Kanata
https://youtu.be/gnShef2bjYM?t=1m11s
>6 years hand drawn unlimited aniplex budget and outsourcing.
>>147630212
That damage control.
>>147630225
Nice cherrypicking which isn't even that bad because what is style? But I guess KyoAnus lickers wouldn't know since you all think animation should look more closely reflect film than be its own thing.
You can criticize the CG backgrounds all you want, but they're very stylish and work well for the movie.
>>147630444
Nice shilling your shitty AMV.
>>147625685
>denpa onna
it averages 6k per volume
>>147630498
koe no katachi
>3 months hand drawn
kizumonogatari
>3 years hand drawn
>>147630105
NNB had a little girl having to learn about the reality of death, and eventually learned through one of her friends that living beings have children that live on
K-off had a snooty bitch cry because her classmates were graduating early. Cry me a fucking river.
>>147630604
It's really fucking embarrassing that Shart spent so much time on Kizumonogatari and it looks like absolute garbage.
>>147630588
>Nice cherrypicking which isn't even that bad because what is style?
Gumball does this same style and better. There's no excuse for SHAFT. The 3D backgrounds could've definitely used more work, maybe another 6 years.
>>147630914
>KyoAnusfags are /co/mblr
Colour me surprised.
>>147630914
>kizumonogatari looks worse than a cartoon
bravo
I don't hate Shaft because they did SZS and Arakawa in the past but everything after Monogatari has been pretty shit, including Madoka
>>147630588
>Nice shilling your shitty AMV.
You are just envious that single scene of KyoAni anime has more and better animation than worth of Year of Shaft shows and "movies"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFaWHPO-CtU
>>147630939
sure but it'll take 3 years to color you, and another 3 to color your shadows
>>147630914
Except it doesn't?
If there's one thing Oishi really cares about it's his backgrounds and he clearly puts a shit ton of effort into them. Just because you have the eyes of a 5 year old and think a hastily put together cartoon drawn by Koreans somehow looks better than a well produced movie from Japan doesn't mean it's worse.
>>147631045
Not really. But you can go ahead and tell yourself that if it helps you get to sleep at night.
>>147631045
Black Mirai transformation was fucking amazing and unexpected from modern KyoAni, facial expressions and character animation, voice acting was on point in Mirai-hen, they even improved the action and effects.
I can't wait for Violet Evergarden. Ishidate is getting better.
>>147631234
>>147631234
>Oishi really cares about it's his backgrounds and he clearly puts a shit ton of effort into them.
It doesn't really show in Kizu. Most backgrounds look rushed.
>>147631286
Literally just your opinion.
>>147618118
is there any hope for studio shitposting?
>>147631245
Glad Yamada and Ishidate are improving but I'm still mad that Ishihara and Takemoto haven't done anything worth a damn in whilethey need to promote someone else to series director
>>147631690
literally a fact
>>147619130
If Takeuchi were ever going to leave or do something relevant, he'd have done it ages ago. I think he's decided to spend the rest of his life working at SHAFT doing minor jobs and not exercising his actual talent.
>>147631733
For hundreds time, Ishihara does Hibike. Yamada too, but Ishihara does pretty much most storyboards and job since Yamada is slacking and working on KnK, so it is by all means "his" show.
Takemoto got anime for his fuckbuddy Gotoh, Amagi -and since FMP didnt went to KyoAni, was tasked with Free movie. I`d love to see Gotoh and Takemoto pair for something like Hyouka again, but doubt it since Gotoh should be busy with FMP anime.
>>147631740
lol ok
>>147631731
Unfortunately, studio-shitposting will continue and increase in intensity again because of KyoAni's latest success with A Silent Voice, which triggers Shaft-fags, and because both Shaft and KyoAni are having a drama anime airing in 11+ days.
>>147632076
3gatsu shitposting will be only in begining, for week or two - after that Shaft fanboys will drop it realizing its not the masterpiece they can defend, and threads should be fine for manga fags that can get over the fact that Shinbo slaugthers good source and few of those who remain watching it since like the story. And should be calm until first sales results.
>>147629176
Oonuma a shit. Also Shaft did Hidamari Sketch and they're gonna do Sangatsu next month.
>>147632266
3gatsu is also a very female centric show. I doubt the bulk of /a/ will even care enough to have constant threads about it, manga threads before the announcement were almost nonexistent, even for a monthly manga.
>>147632266
>not the masterpiece they can defend
It will be a masterpiece though since Shinbo is actually directing.
>Shinbo slaugthers good source
Where do you get this idea from? He's probably the best known director for working very closely with the creator of the source. Hell, he even let Jin do the screenplay for Mekaku which was way too much for him.
>>147632377
Anon, you don't understand. It could be a daytime kids' show and people would still shitpost abuot it, simply because it's a SHAFT show in the same season as a KyoAni show.
>>147632381
>Where do you get this idea from?
from everything shown so far looking worse than Honey and Clover which was years ago and is standard for Umino adaptation, instead theres typical steril monogatari light
>>147632543
>standard for Umino adaptation
how can it be a standard when it's literally the only other adaptation of her work
>>147632515
Not at all. Most objectively bad shows from SHAFT get no attention whatsoever past the first couple of episodes. See Mekaku, Vampire Bund, Graffiti, Sasami.
>>147618118
their best show was the cooking one. very comfy
>>147632266
I predict the first two stalker threads to be right after hibike and 3-gatsu.
don't you ever get bored of posting the same thing every day
>>147632515
Nah, been through years of studio wars shitposting and it mostly goes on BEFORE shows air. Denpa Onna, Sasami, Koufuku Graffiti, Maria Holic, even Nisekoi to a degree - theres always what you call "shaft fanboy" or maybe trolls pretending to be, that are desperately hyping stuff and seeking confrontation - often having no real clue of the source, as in this case, but once it turns different as expected they disappear and after that it becomes pretty calm for both sides.
>>147632610
>Sasami
>bad
>>147632587
Because its pretty much perfect? (visual, characters and mood wise at least. Story issues are different).
There are certain expectations, and to properly transit Umino`s manga, HnC pretty much hit the spot. Even purely from technical standpoint 3gatsu looks poorer than it in execution (though should wait for it to actually air, PVs dont show too much aside sad confirmation that Shaft cant do straight show and does indeed apply to it its typical gimmics).
>>147632741
It was good. However as adaptation it was worse than Kyouran Kazoku Nikki by same author. And it was fucking Studio Nomad that Shaft lost to.
>>147632784
>Because its pretty much perfect?
Oh, nice opinion
>>147632840
>shaft animation of key point of the show, Shogi, is worse than damn basketball fujoshit show
>>147632863
How much different it is from the source? I'm kinda curious now.
>>147629176
>Their future looks bright.
>back to adapting the most generic of generic harems as their next show
>>147632670
like that one guy in this thread praising Kizu?
>>147633101
Sasami and KKN are in the same universum. Both novel series are pure gag, but with a sinister serious occult side. KKN got fun focus of the novels better, while the Sasami felt less of a comedy, and more the usual Shaft gimmics for sake of it (and not for sake of being hillarious which was Authors intent) i.e. turned comedy into more of a episodic gatari.
Despite the comedy though, speciality of the author is that with his truly insane Excel saga like characters and humor, the actual happenings in the world are real - forces no matter how comedic they might appear do exist there, have real power and dark stuff happens in background and when story leads to it very real on surface.
Ancient gods, Kthulu (present in both series, also would have appeared in Sasami in S2), aliens, evil cults etc. Sasami focused (wrongly) more on a drama side becoming quite boring - forgetting the the key appeal of the author is the "edge" - balancing insane fun and sinister aspects.
KKN while appears as pure gag comery, is in fact - a story pretty much Baldurs Gate 2 about son of Baal destroying the world, a very real danger and main appeal is most stuff happening appearing in different light and no matter how crazy fitting and making sense.
>>147628451
>>147633726
Thanks for clarifying. Do you recommend the KKN anime? Unlike Sasami, it doesn't have an active translation project.
>tfw Hibike will outsell 3 gatsu and shaftfags will be mad as fuck
lmao
>>147630965
Cartoons have higher budget tho
>>147632610
>Koufuku Graffiti
>objectively bad
Pick one and only one.
I was the comfiest show of the season. Pure iyashikei goodness.
>>147635481
The taberu were excellent, the rest was not.
>>147628183
This. The kyocoven can even be blamed for love live. Honkwhore is an expy of Yui, Nico is Mugi, Russian cunt is Mugi, etc.
>>147635481
It was nothing spectacular, but it was comfy.
If you like cgdct, you shouldn't have much issue with it.
>>147635481
It wasn't great but Ryou was perfect wife material at least.
>>147630588
"Animation should more closely reflect film than be its own thing ".
I find myself agreeing more and more with John K. lately. If you never want to do things in animation that you can only do in animation, you might as well just film it in 3dpd.
Is that what the kyocultists mean when they say kyoanus films anime?
>>147635370
>thinking that sales matter for an NHK show:^)
>>147637336
Almost as dumb as thinking it will be a success just because it airs on NHK
>>147637336
2ch projected 10k+
>>147637582
2ch projections are always off. I predict 3k and I'm almost always right.
>>147637726
What are the Japs saying/speculating about it?
>>147627243
The original author was in charge of the series composition, but selling one episode per disc was probably Aniplex's idea so the relatively young fanbase can just buy the episode about their favorite character. Didn't work out so well as you can see.
The main artist is directing the short movie and will be involved with the reboot anime in some way, so we'll see how that turns out.
>>147632784
funny enough is Umino herself hate HnC adaptation
>/a/ says Trigger, Shaft, and Kyoani are the worst studios
>they're actually the best studios
>>147638117
And she demanded Shaft, right?
>inb4 "tasteless hack bitch" and "antichristplex will ruin her if she says she hates it"
>>147638117
citation needed
>>147635481
The only good thing about this show was the preview song.
How sad is it.
>>147638184
>/a/ says studios all hate eachother
>Trigger employee has K-ON wallpaper
>>147627243
Jin only wrote the script, Yuki Yase was the director, who is pretty much a newbie. Mekakucity was the first series he directed. and he only really directed two episodes, the rest were either shaft guys or some random nobodiesNakura's episode was great though
>>147638315
That's a cute Madoka near his hand also.
>>147638315
Have you seen Sushio's K-On! fan art?
>>147638356
>Trigger animators like everyone else's work but their own
>>147632741
Sasami wasn't bad.
It was plain terrible.
>>147638099
Honestly the movie isn't looking to great on the visual front either, excited for Sidu's storyboards though
>>147638433
Because Triggerniggers, unlike shaftards and kyoanusshitters, are bros.
>>147638184
Only Godani is anything close to good.
Shaft is a Deen-tier joke at this point, and Trigger is even more of a joke.
>>147638813
Trigger is good when they try to be like KyoAni.
Kiznaiver ep 7 resembled Takemoto's Chunibyo episode a lot.
>>147629387
Their fault for using a shitty manga to be adapted.
>>147629687
>yucky tuna
Oh wew lad.
>>147638489
The Shounen Hollywood character designer is what gets me the most.
>>147632741
Dude, I like the characters but Shaft managed to butch adaptation that added original filler or just changed it to the point even nips were mad.
>>147628451
How can Monogatarifags defend this? I laughed out loud.
Not only is the directing shit, it's pretentious and tryhard.
>>147629387
>Vampire Bund
>Soultaker
Those anime were embarassing and the proof you can't trust Shinbo with action shows.
If you're trying to make current Shaft looks good, then congratulations.
>>147640009
No way, shit, pretentious AND tryhard?
>>147640088
Yeah, outstanding, isn't it?
>>147639806
Well, it is pretty yucky.
No one remembers it now, and you'll need hypnosis to remember it after White Fox's new meguca show.
>>147639518
Too bad the story came out from Okada's vomit.
>>147640009
>buzzwords
It's not the pinnacle of direction by any means, but come on anon, give a little substance to your argument outside of shitty (You) baiting.
>>147640171
You don't think it's trying really hard? You don't think it's trying to look profound when in fact there's zero substance to it?
>>147639924
I need a longer staff list, there has to be some talent here besides Sidu. The character designer and art director are literally nobodies. Maybe we might get some KA from abegen?
>>147640136
Then why it has generals, huh?
>White Fox's new Meguka
I hope you don't mean Raising Project because both have different focus.
>>147638337
he did one season of Hidamari Sketch though
>>147640223
Not him, but I don't think it's trying to look profound.
>>147640086
Kyoukai is proof you can't trust post-2012 kyoanus with grimderp. Evergarden is a Munto-tier disaster in the making.
>>147640223
I wouldn't say it's trying to look deep, but it's trying way too hard to look visually interesting.
>>147640263
Not with those dialogues anon.
>>147640288
I fucking hate KnK too, so I don't get your point. I guess you're a studiowar kid.
>>147640246
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matoi_the_Sacred_Slayer
>>147640246
Wasn't White Fox's mahou shoujo something called Matoi the sacred slayer?
>>147640342
Replying to "Shinbo can't be trusted with action".
>>147640342
Evergarden will be grimderp.
>>147625677
>He hasn't seen Mahoromatic
>>147640478
Such a shame.
>>147625677
Factually wrong on both, it's well known that SZS is their best work.
>>147640382
>>147640384
The one in charge of the story is not reliable at all post Gundam 00 S1 and that director is a literal who while the anime seems more about magical idols.
You're just making a bet without something to back it up.
>>147640715
And they hired Sphere for the songs.
>>147640556
>Mahoromatic
>SHAFT??
>>147625677
Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei and Hidamari Sketch is their best work.
>>147640429
Oh, ok.
Well, I agree. KyoAni can't do action shows. TSR is still their only valuable contribution which is crazy for a studio known for its consistent animation quality.
>>147640556
Despite being a co-prod, Mahoromatic is almost completely Gainax if you look at the staff.
And it shows.
>>147641050
I don't think there's anything wrong with the actual action itself in Munto and Kyoukai, the scenes with lots of effects animation were especially great to watch as their animators tend to draw effects very beautifully. They just need to draw from better source material the next time they do another action series.
Has Shinbo or anyone else at Shaft ever said anything good (or bad) about Kyoani or any other studio?
Likewise, has anyone at Kyoani ever said anything good or bad about Shaft (or any other studio)?
>>147618118
I think they'll do well after monogatari adoptions are finished, they've gained enough money to choose what they adapt at this point, and if they can make every episode of the monogatari series watchable despite the overly long and circling conversations in it, I feel they could make any show watchable.
Plus maybe they will continue zetsubou-sensei
>>147641326
Some of Shinbo's influence on Takemoto has shown up, but I don't know if they've ever explicitly said anything
>>147641429
>Plus maybe they will continue zetsubou-sensei
Keep dreaming
>>147641242
Munto is the only Kyoani show I haven't seen so I can't speak about it. But Kyoukai has problems because good animation isn't enough for good action scenes. It looked very pretty but had no impact whatsoever. You need good direction for this, that's why someone like Imaishi is able to trick people into thinking his shows look great with a bunch of stills.
And of course the show sucks because the story and characters are shit, but it's another problem.
>>147618118
Somehow they are adapting fate extra. I never gave a fuck about shaft, but I'm jumping on the hate train if they fuck up best fate game adaptation.
>>147641510
Is it something I've done?
>>147641718
Your love was too great and your luck too terrible. Everything you enjoy will crumble to dust. Unfortunately I like the same things as you. You have caused me great pain.
>>147641563
Kyoukai's action directing wasn't the best, but I didn't have any qualms with it. It worked fine.
As for Imaishi, I don't see anything special with his action directing either but he does have some approaches towards animation to provide impact. He's a follower of Yoshinori Kanada's animation so Imaishi places a lot of emphasis on energetic and exaggerated poses which goes well with snappy movements that don't require lots of drawings. He also has a penchant for rough drawings and shading, so that can be used to give stills impact. It's not the only 'right' approach towards creating impactful action, but it's a style that works.
>>147641718
No, there's just not much reason for it to happen
I went back and re-read some threads before madoka started and i was wrong: anti and pro shaft shitposting threds were totally the same 6 years ago and i'm a bit relieved: /a/ is not getting worse, it's always the same as ever
>>147641563
Munto was really fucking bad. It was like 100% exposition the show. They just keep talking about the Akuto over and over and it never stops. The animation was pretty damn good though during the few action scenes that do occur. The direction on the other hand was awful.
The Shaft arch-formalism developed throughout the Mongartari series and perhaps reaching its ultimate expression in Mekakucity Actors, represents an important facet of the studio. Then you have visually traditional works like Denpa onna to Seishun Otaku with nary a head-tilt, which demonstrate Shaft's skill with more conventional modes of storytelling.
>>147643607
>seto's pose
what is this child doing
>>147638315
You don't talk shit about industry colleagues in Japan even if they're rivals, at least not in public.
The Japanese save all their frustrations with each other for their javanese shadow puppet shows.
>>147645425
>their javanese shadow puppet shows.
>Shaft still loves Kyoani
???
>>147618118
>Kyoani can only produce free
>When try something else its koe no flop or phantom sales
>Talk shit about based shaft
Kyoanicucks i swear. All they can do is buzzword and meme around with "hur dur it was b team"
>>147629484
NNB nuked itself by opting for an interquel second season instead of a proper sequel. The magic of SoL shows I found good is the progression; things move forward (Gochuumon, K-ON!) instead of eternally opting for stagnant character dynamics. NNB's first season is fantastic but the second is meh.
>>147632840
Bait, bait has changed.I like it.
>>147635370
Actually the speculation is skewed to SHAFT-fags' advantage since there's no way Hibike S2 will sell more than Hibike S1. Meanwhile 3gatsu's sales can't be predicted just yet.
>>147647886
Fuck you. Repeat was by far better than S1.
>>147648046
I'm still pretty sure that Sound! Euphonium S2 will outsell March Comes in like a Lion.
That will say nothing about how enjoyable a show is by itself though.
>>147618118
>it's yet another Shaft shitposting episode
Sayonara, Zetsubou-sensei.
>>147618118
Nisekoi S3 when
>>147650444
they'll never make season 4 though
I'm actually fucking terrified of shaft
their fucking polygons and inverted color schemes give me nightmares
>>147651215
Then don't watch this, this'll make you kill yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhx-qWDMGyo
>>147651417
Have you seen Ef though
Flyhighmakeittothenewworldiseek: the Anime was one of the first shaft shows I seriously watched and I couldn't do it without pausing ever 30 seconds and taking a walk
It annoys me that the Monogatari series is what they're focused on but they have to complete or it'll be even worse.
I really hope 3gatsu is good, SHAFT can be good when they want to.
>>147651551
I'll confess I haven't, it's been on my backlog for years. Looking at it it doesn't seem that imposing straightaway though.
>>147639518
This. Kiznaiver proven they can produce quality works and not just imashit.
I always thought the simpler the better when it comes to anime fight scenes. Shit like KnK, Madoka Rebellion, or Fate have pretty fights with lots of colors and effects but the choreography and camera work is garbage most of the time. Compare it to shows like Cowboy Beebop, Samurai Champloo, Yozakura Quartet, FMA, or hell even Naruto sakuga fights. You can feel the weight in their punches and there isn't much after effects shit covering the screen.
>>147639806
>Their fault for using a shitty manga to be adapted.
Shinbo LOVES vampire thematic. SoulTaker, Moonphase, Negima (heh), Vampire Bund, Monogatari.
Totally expecting him to make another Vampire anime.
>>147640478
What the hell? VEG is melancholic/personal drama. There only "grimderp" parts about it could be characters reminiscence about the war.
>>147640810
It is "shaft" as in worst looking Gainax shows are Shaft co-production: mahoromantic and he is my master, and the quality drop compared to their normal works is very noticable (though mahoromantic is a good show on itself).
>>147652607
I'd watch Shinbo's Blood Alone.
>>147651551
Ef and Rec were the only shows in Shaft repertoire that standed out over the pile of generic shinbo crap, because they werent done by Shinbo but by actually talented people. They were exceptions though, since people making them left Shaft.
Oonuma is Silverlink, and Nakamura pretty much freelance working with anyone but Shaft.
>>147652791
Same.
>>147640288
Phantom world 12 was fantastic. Same with Miraihen. Evergarden isn't even grimdark anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlPxDmG4VHE
>>147638117
I have not hear or read anything that stated she hated the adaptation. Only thing I know, she's a Shaftfag and actually befriended some of the staff, including Sugita and the rest of HnC casts.
>>147618118
Another season of MariaHolic or Zetsubou will save them.
>>147657234
>milking more shit
Fuck no. I want them to move past that.
Life is hard when you're a slave
>>147630993
Pretty much this
Bake was their last good work and that was 09.
>>147657311
Plus Harumi is now mute. She's a literal Silent Voice now.
;_;7
>>147630212
>only one god-tier scene
>in the first third of the movie
>>147632377
Shaft does the best female centered shows though, because they still come off as otaku centered show
>>147635481
show was very moving, especially the grandma part
>>147632610
vampire bund was awful but still had hot /ss/
>>147618118
There was so much Monogatari to go through and it was so profitable that they had no choice.
>>147618118
Oishi and his rip-off squad's style make the source material even worse than it is, and you don't even have to like the source material itself to see that. Takes sections of conversations that take around 5 minutes tops to read in a written format, copy-pasted them into an anime and stretches those conversations out over entire episodes. Pads said conversations out with scenery porn and wacky necktwists and you get Bakemonogatari, which everyone praises for it's visual direction for absolutely no good reason.
Not trying to hate on Shaft specifically here but almost any other major would've done a better job with the story barring the fantastic VAs they got hold of.
i like shaft
>>147665512
This, Kyoanus should have animated it because they're the best studio and we'd have more Shinka's and it would be like watching Musaigen again
So how badly are they gonna fuck it up?
>>147665512
Takemoto would do a better job at Monogatari.
>>147648958
>disliking the shaft shitposting episode
shit taste
>>147666112
they won't, but anti shaft fags will still try shitting on it
>>147666112
They already fucked up. Not even going to watch it for the laughs.
>>147666672
>hasn't even come out yet
>it's already shit
wew
necrobumps the thread?
>>147666826
>garbage director
>forced samey direction yet again
>looks like shit
into the trash
>>147666914
>forced meme
stop trying so hard
>the image that I have on Shaft is "student who isn't honour-student...". Including Shinbo, all staffs in Shaft aren't really a genius
>-Ume Aoki, Otona Anime 2011
>>147666112
>Fucking up my one of my favorite light novels
>>147666112
Thanks, Shart. Can't wait for more QUALITY and lazy storytelling.
>tfw can't tell the difference between kyoanus shows because all the characters look the same
tumblr filter - the studio
Shaft has never done a bad adaptation
>Osamu Tezuka Cultural Prize
>Koe no katachi (2011~ Kodansha Ltd. MarketingPrize/Takarajima Ltd.) Kyoani_2016
>scored 11, 2012
>[Voter:Nakano(Kodansya Ltd)5points, Minami(Takarajima Ltd.)4points]
>Silver Spoon (2011~) A-1 pictures_2013
>scored 24 (6+8+10), 2013/2014/2015
>March comes in like a lion (2007~) Shaft_2016
>scored 31 (9+11+11),2012/2013/2014
Shiaftshitters consider this good direction.
monogatari sucks
I dropped it after the first season of nisemono
>>147668656
Shaft's directors are really terrible and need their shit pushed in.
>>147668656
>>147665940
>>147628451
I have a feeling that SHAFT uses this style of consecutive fast shots and close ups to hide the fact that there's barely any character animation but to make it look more dynamic.
Sometimes I wonder if /a/ actually watches anime to enjoy or to shitpost about it later.
Anime discussions have become more generic than the battle harems we get every season.
>>147666112
I wish they would ditch Akio Watanabe designs already. I'm fucking sick of them.
>>147668942
Already? Guess you havent watched 95% of shaft anime.
>>147668844
They should be forced to watch Utena dozens of times to learn how to use quick cuts.
>>147669009
Utena is just a wannabe Shaft series.
I like shaft, instead of using 3d character models for background characters that completely ruin it, they just do things like image related
it's nice and it's solely focuses on the main characters
>>147618118
They need to pick up Nichijou.
>>147668999
But Monogatari is all they've been shitting out for the past few years.
>Mekakucity
Never happened.
>>147669294
So having a longer running series is bad now? Thats like saying sunrise only has gintama and gundam.
>>147669277
Fuck no.
>>147669247
That gimmick is at least better than having no background characters at all and making the mood unintentionally desolated like in most SHAFT shows. But I don't see why it would be better than having actual background characters.
The only people who whine about SHAFT's "directing" are the same types of fedora wearing faggots who unironically post in those spammy pseudointellectual "How much value do you put into visual direction?" threads.
And both are usually KyoAni fanboys. Hmmm.
>>147670010
This. Us Shaftfags are above KyoAni for not caring about silly things like competent storytelling.
>>147670128
>kyoani
>storytelling
Ya call me when they work with Key
>>147670128
>kyoanifags confusing pretty and flashy visuals for actual storytelling because "muh visual medium"
>>147670128
You lauded literally the worst thing that KyoAni does.
>>147670128
At what point did SHAFT get so shit at storytelling?
>>147652559
>kiznaiver
>not shit
>>147670458
When they accepted the shackles. Maybe they'll learn a thing or two if they escape to KyoAni school.
Only on /a/ is it bad to work with a larger company that employees you frequently. Never stop being plebs /a/
>>147669875
this is why depth of field is useful
>>147670628
diversification of your business portfolio is absolutely key, what Shaft is doing is forgetting business 101 because if Aniplex ever decides to drop them, its fucking over for them
>>147670772
>NHK series
>SJW series
>Fate series
Yup modern shaft is not diverse what so ever because aniplex right?
>>147666089
Nisho fag here that thinks Shaft slaugthered the novels. Monogatari anime is ok anime, but bad adaptation.
As for studio that could adapt it best, BrainBase - at that time it was still alive and decent and best studio to adapt non pure otaku LNs.
>>147652559
>Kiznaiver proven they can produce quality works
Kiznaiver was fucking garbage.
>>147670344
It's the best thing they do.
>>147670913
Nisiofags here don't think that.
>>147670929
>Kyoani storytelling
>good
Yeah phantom world was really riveting.
>>147670959
One bad show doesn't negate their good character driven storytelling, if that was the case there would be no reason for anyone to be a SHAFT fan since they've made objectively more bad shows than KyoAni.
>>147670929
Koe no Katachi will probably AOTY 2016 for visual storytelling
>>147669033
Utena is made by actual Theatre fag. Proffessional that writes plays, involved in making musicles and stuff, well versed in all specifics and nuances of threatre estetics and storytelling.
Shinbo`s work on other hand are poorfag art studend kicked out of college trying to imitate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamishibai
>>147671044
>visual storytelling
In other words, another overrated anime with flashy backgrounds and one-note characters that have no depth whatsoever
>>147670010
>>147670128
>Shaftfags excuse everytime people point how shitty their shows look
>this is ARRRTTTISTIC EXPRESSION YOU PLEB!
>>147671134
Yeah, Shaft is pretty bad.
>>147671179
SHAFT anime usually have interesting characters and stories though. KyoAni only has pretty visuals.
>>147670544
>Luluco Imashitdrones
>still buthurt
>>147671227
Fuck off. Kiznaiver was garbage through and through. The only thing it had going for it was the pretty visuals but even then it stopped looking above average after the second episode.
>>147671219
This.
KyoAni can't even compete. >>147632840
why are kyoani fags so defensive all the time. they ruin every shaft thread.
>>147670953
Please dont call anime only fags Nisio fags. The main strength of Nisio is his writing language, you know - all those RED and BLACK panels you skip in Shaft shows. Let alone not including many monologues, no focus on important scenes or slaugthering key scenes - like say Hanekawas life at her home.
Main issue is here not "direction style", but that it tries to adapt novels in form of watchable digest for 23 minutes TV episodes, which is wrong approach here. Katanagatari did lot better (and its mostly 40 minutes of talking, but its good adaptation, since talking is all what nisio is about).
In fact, best Nisio adaptation so far, ironically, is not anime but Okitegami Kyouko-san live action.
>>147671219
Name a few that arent Monogatari
>>147671310
Just give up. 3minutes 40$ per episode budget shows are the fate of Imashit now.
>>147671459
Nisekoi, Mekakucity Actors, and Madoka all have complex characters and strong plots. KyoAngus has fucking nothing.
>>147671590
(you)
>>147632840
>comparing two completely diferent shows
Studio wars are dumb.
>>147671590
>Nisekoi, Mekakucity Actors
This is bait, right?
>>147671654
You capitalize that Y and call him Mr. You.
>>147671590
>Nisekoi, Mekakucity Actors
>strong plot
>complex characters
>Madoka
>complex characters
>even strong plot is arguable
>>147671393
Japan hated katanagatari. Try harder
I remember when 3-gatsu PV came out and some posters were impressed by how the background characters in this particular 1 second shot were moving, claiming how any other studio would've made them 3D or static. They probably have never watched a KyoAni show.
https://u.pomf.is/rwdhxl.webm
>>147671899
I used to dismiss KyoAni until Hyouka's school festival blew me away.
>>147671899
No you just fall for baits. Most normal anime fans like kyoani and shaft as well as the 10s of other studios out there. Look at how many IPs are in studio war threads. Its the same losers circle jerking trying to make console wars a thing in anime.
>>147625641
>no one has mentioned Arakawa under the Bridge...
>>147671899
The faded blurry image look, grey colors and bad lineart are killing me. Its an insult to Umino sensei.
>>147671028
I always found it funny that every shaftfag has watched every Kyoani show yet I've yet to watch half of Shafts shit
>>147672239
Too bad Umino sensei hated jc staff's adaption of her work and asked for Shinbo.
>>147672289
Nice meme.
In terms of Monogatari I just started watching Owarimonogatari.
Ougi Formula was literallyone episode of almost 50 minutes.And on episode 2 there's a different OP already as if it was a different arc.What the fuck am I doing wrong?
>>147672312
Interviews are now memes. Great /a/ showing its autism once again.
>>147672354
you should provide source of that claim lad
>>147672390
Sorry I assumed /a/ was knowledgeable. Guess anitwitter is leagues above /a/.
>>147672432
Then leave to there. Why did you even grace us with your omniscient presence?
>>147672313
If you watch monogatari you should know there is one OP for each arc, and there are 4 arcs in owari season 1.
>>147671590
>Nisekoi, Mekakucity Actors
>>147668844
>>147669009
Even KyoAni does better fast cutting.
>>147672782
Shaft's fast cutting looks better, Kyoani's looks a bit awkward
>>147672863
>This looks better
>>147628451
>>147668844
>>147672782
Based Ishidate.
>>147672782
Even as a kyofag that cutting was pretty bad.
>>147672897
Yes, that's what I said
>>147669875
there is ONE Shaft show that leaves out background characters
>>147672997
It amazes me how deluded SHAFTshitters are sometimes. I shouldn't be surprised though since they even hail Mekaku Shitty Actors as a masterpiece.
>>147673014
You mean one show that leaves them out completely - Monogatari. In the rest they are static white silluetes if present, and when they actually bother to draw them like in 3gatsu - its a sloppy QUALITY mess.
>SHAFTshitters will never know the pleasure of having background waifus
A shame really
>>147673095
Wew. even Phantom World wasn't this poorly directed.
>>147673197
PW wasn't poorly directed at all, it had boring characters and a shit monster of the week plot. Everything else was average or slightly above average for a seasonal anime.
QUALITY background characters
>kyoani fags will defend this
>>147673324
>tiny unsexualizable ass
KyoAnus lickers will defend this.
QUALITY background characters frozen in time
Why are SHAFT comedic reactions always one frame wiggling for 1 or 2 seconds? It's not that hard to animate them.
>>147673305
It really was at least for a KyoAni show. Their direction involves creating a connection to the characters and Phantom World failed hard at it.
>>147673496
>shaft
>animation
Shaft style exist solely because they dont have money and schedule for any animation.
>>147673577
Yet they still make better shows than kyoani
>>147673496
>>147673626
at least try
>>147673543
>Their direction involves creating a connection to the characters and Phantom World failed hard at it.
You are just bad and trying too hard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHVdGigU4vo
or the episodes with Fake family or Mushroom kingdom - PW did great job exploring characters and emotionally opening them to the viewer
>>147673724
Reina and Kurumi were hollow characters with no connection created before their stories so they just ended up looking pretty. Also Reina became a background decoration after her episode. 11 did good but at that point the show was basically over.
I'd like to see kyoani expirment with new things, it's always the same body, faces and instagram filter they use for every show
>>147673930
memes
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>>147673930
Phantom World and Kyoukai no kanata was them experimenting with new things. And well, you saw how that went.
>>147670953
Nisio himself seems to disagree. Same with 3gatsu's artist, inb4 conspiracy theories.
>>147674287
Yeah. And Jin loves the Kagerou Days adaptation. Nevermind that it looks worse than fan AMVs
>>147674287
>>147674368
Seems to be just PR.
>>147673930
violet evergarden looks interesting. at least it's not about a high schooler.
>>147674172
Miraihen was good
>>147674462
Did she drop the "so unpleasant" shtick? If not, then no it wasn't.
>>147674512
You sound like an autist.
I guess you could say Shaft shafted their own production
>>147674716
mirai was the autist with her forced catchphrase.
>>147674765
truly SHIT
>>147674765
and came all over it's viewers with it's great shows
>Shaft's 40+ year anniversary event is called Madogatari
>In 40 years and after 30+ shows they've only made two relevant anime with over 15k sales
What a sad studio.
>>147675460
Shaft are fucking garbage. Hidamari is fucking moeshit cancer.
>>147675460
>kyoani made 10 shows with 15k+ sales
What went right?
You SAD moeshit kyoani fanboys would shit on shaft regardless of what they made or its quality.
>>147675832
Nice false flag, Kyoanus shit eater.
>>147675832
Shart isn't going to make anything good again. It's pointless.
Shaft more like Shit amirite
3gatsu will sell well.
>>147678441
I predict 3-4k.
jesus christ this thread is still up since last night
can we just accept that both kyoani and shaft have their own faults and strengths and stop talking about "muh sales" or "muh objectivity"
>>147673640
literally forced animation
>>147679584
No, SHAFT is objectively garbage and KyoAni is objectively good.
>>147679584
People love their teams. They love them to an irrational, obsessive level.
>>147674368
I mean, Jin literally wrote the Kagerou Days adaptation, so I wouldn't be surprised if he liked it. I bet Yuki Yase likes it too.
>>147679794
Unfortunately.
thats why im dreading the 3gatsu and the Hibike threads, nothing but studio wars for the first half
>>147671063
>Proffessional
>musicles
>threatre estetics
>studend
At least Shinbo was kicked out of college and not middle school like you.
>>147680183
>first half
What's the meme show this coming season? Drifters?
>>147680123
Funny thing is, Yase actually is a fan of the series, and he put a lot of references to the PV's even if they had nothing to do with the character the episode was about
there was a Lost Time Memory reference in Momo's episode for some reason when they pretty much have nothing to do with each other
Hopefully Yase does better with zaregoto, since he's not bound by a tv schedule and production issues like mekakucity was
>>147618118
Maybe if they stopped making powerpoint presentations and actually made quality anime with god tier animation and character designs instead of "deep insightful philosophical" anime, maybe they'd finally match KyoAni.