JoJo

>>147495938
first for /JJBAG/ being the best threads on /a/!

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Weather Report is here now.

>>147495938
just realized what i was looking at here, this is awesome. imagine some scene like the end of SBR when Valentine and D4C are both aging simultaneously, but instead, Josuke and S&W are both being separated into their original components simultaneously

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>>147496035
So 2 dead bodies.

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>Don't bully us pls

/a/ has better things to do, my friend.

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Reading through VA right now, gotta say the gang isn't really too interesting. The fights are great, but the characters haven't clicked with me like the Crusaders or Josuke's crew

I'm at Baby Face right now. Anybody tell me if it gets better?

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I fixed the tier list.
While I disagree with ranking the villains based on this tier list, the old one needed to be fixed because some of the things bothered me.

The problem with tiering the villains like this is that it doesn't account for their personality, coolness, power, etc., only their goal.

Discuss.

>>147496075
that's how they'll end up if he doesn't come up with some way to stop the enemy's stand

>>147496140
it gets worse honestly,only 1 good fight left

Is part 7's ending the worst in the series?

>diego and hot pants job in the most forgettable way possible, especially the latter
>mwahaha i got the super villain powerup! You can't stop me now!
>ridiculous 'moving the earth' power that's never brought up
>gyro randomly gets a stand with stupid randumb xD effects
>johnny activates the 'super protagonist powerup' out of nowhere and everyone loves it, unlike GER
>that stupidly long begging scene where we all know valentines lying
>all of high voltage
>alt diegos death
Like jesus, people say 5 and 6 have bad endings?

>>147496140
I loved the crew by that point, so I think Part 5 crew just aren't for you. The fights only get better, though.

>>147496209
>johnny activates the 'super protagonist powerup' out of nowhere and everyone loves it, unlike GER
this fucking infuriates me to know end
watch SBRfags defend this because "they foreshadowed it by saying that the golden ratio was powerful!"

>>147496169
I can agree with this completely.

>>147496169
I don't get why you even bothered when you clearly realize yourself that it was inherently flawed and thus unfixable.

>>147496257
no end*

>>147496140
I'm surprised you didn't like it by Kraftwerk, and if you don't like it now by Grateful Dead, you're not going to period.

There are plenty of good fights left, but if you don't enjoy the crew, you're not going to understand the bigger themes of the part and you'll end up hating the bit when they finally get to the boss all the way to the end. you might as well skip to 6

>>147496209

At least Diego dies twice.

>>147496320
>you might as well skip to 6
stick your dick in a garbage disposal thx

>>147496209
I Honestly cant tell if this is bait but.
>gyro randomly gets a stand with stupid randumb xD effects
In SBRverse the spin is a gateway to obtaining a stand and Gyro used the Golden Rotation to obtaining his Ball Breaker which is just a manifestation of The Golden Rotation.
>all of high voltage
This was supposed to be a means to an end for JOhnny's rivalry with Diego.
>ridiculous 'moving the earth' power that's never brought up
This was when Love Train was activating before Valentine combined it with D4C

>>147496302
I was halfway done and I thought it looked neat. I knew someone was going to ask.

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Giorny makes me horny

>>147496356
Nigga 5 is my favorite part, but there's no reason to force yourself through. Hell I only really enjoyed 5 after a reread.

>>147496169
This.

Diavolo, pucci, valentine and kira should all be god tier because of the themes and ideals they represent and how it comes out in the story, not due to some shitty goal ranking system.

>>147496320
I love the fights and how creative they are. Also Sex Pistols are probably my favorite characters out of the whole crew

I just want to be able to judge it as fairly as I possibly can in comparison to previous parts. This really feels like Stardust Crusaders 2 more than Diamond was so it's not like it's painfully bad. Currently Not Crash is my favorite Part, but I can see why Araki handled the story like this so far

>>147496459
>but there's no reason to force yourself through.
He only said he didn't like the crew.

>>147496367
>spin is the gateway to obtaining a stand
No? Only jesus and the power of the devil's palm does that, gyro just had to do something to valentine before jobbing

>end to johnny's rivalry
Cool, then why do diego and HP job to valentine so we can have the actual rivalry between diego and johnny? Why even include the HP/diego fight if its useless?

>love train activating
I understand why it happened, retard, it doesnt make sense considering love train's real power is just 'impenetrable defense'

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>>147496169
fucked up the quotation marks on valentine's quote

>>147496632
>Presitdent
>That fugly gradient in Valentine's text

>>147496169
This tier list is so shitty that it can't be fixed, only re-done from a scratch.

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>>147496712
It's a bad tier list because it sympathizes villains outside of being written as good characters, only focusing on their roles in the story and what they're doing in the first place. I have a feeling it's a shitty, American sensibility of some sorts

Because if we were to go by that tier list a character with zero personality can be Elder God Tier just because he's doing a good thing while a colorful, fun, expressive and energetic villain is shit tier just because he wants to take over the world

It's the most basic attempt at 2deep4u

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>>147496664
huh, i might as well just join the JJCA team

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What did he mean by this?

>>147496487
>>147496618
Ah, whoops speedread through the post.

Regardless, a lot of the establishment of the attitudes and relations did get done before where you're at now, so I still doubt you'll like them. But no, the fights do get better, and they're much better than anything in SC bar maybe Darby, and there's less filler.

>>147496620
>The Corpse parts were a quick way of obtaining a stand, or a tool for it. There was a specific chapter that gave an explanation on the Stone mask/arrows/corpse parts/ and how they can obtain a stand for someone and the rules of stands. Johnny kept his Tusk even after he got his Corpse part stolen from him, same with Diego.


Diego and HP die to Valentine because their motives were different from Gyro and Johnny's. Diego wanted power to claim Manhattan Island and HP wanted to Secure Jesus' Corpse. They wanted to eliminate Valentine and secure the corpse but fell victim to His D4C power and Love Train activating hence HP's death.

>>147496620
>No? Only jesus and the power of the devil's palm does that,
i'm on mobile someone post the image that outright states that spin is a half-step on the evolution to stands

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>>147496858
Excellent

>>147496845
Even still, pucci is not 'reacting to misdeeds done to him', valentine still tries raping a kid, diavolo's intentions are pretty clear, the pillar men and kira do not need to kill to survive, and dio arguably had pretty good intentions if he made up the heaven plan for pucci to enact

Its a shitty list, even by the standards it sets for itself

>>147496858
This whole thing you've created here is a lot less readable than the original chart.

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haha

>>147495938
I really, really like this image

What pose should I put my S&W and Gappy SAS into?

I know it's asking a lot, but I'd like serious suggestions only pls.

>>147497087
>valentine still tries raping a kid
she's actively disguising herself as an adult, and whether or not you agree that spousal rape is a crime in the modern age, it was most certainly not a crime in the 19th century when this took place

>arguably had pretty good intentions if he made up the heaven plan for pucci to enact
if i think life is suffering so i decide to erase the entire earth from existence, that's not "arguably good intentions," that's being a fucking dick

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First for Jojos Bizarre Kart Race

What if instead of killing Dio at the end of part 3, Jotaro instead befriends him? Wouldn't it have been cool for Jotaro and Dio to bro it out during part 4?

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>>147497277
Gappy "I've won COMPLETELY"
S&W pic related

>>147497360
>Holly ends up dying
>befriending the guy who just spent 45 days hiring people from across the planet just to kill you

>>147496924
That's hamon. Even still, gyro gets ball breaker because his steel balls start smashing into other dimensions or something, really badly explained

>>147496908
Ok, i wasnt being very clear. By the start of the HP and diego fight, we already know d4c's power and that it's super strong. Now, from a writer's standpoint, HP and diego fighting valentine could end in numerous ways. They could kill valentine and get the parts, with diego becoming the main villain, they could both flee, etc.

Araki chose the worst way possible. Not only do they both die to valentine, and nothing they do amounts to anything or really satisfies their character arc, but he brings in alt diego later to satisfy johnny's rivalry arc. That is piss poor writing. There was no reason to write in the Diego/HP fight, and because of it araki had to write in a bullshit deus ex machina with the fucking World of all things to tie up an arc and give people fanservice so he wouldn'y be criticised for it. That shit made me go from loving 7 to making it one of my least favorite parts.

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>>147497360
DIO was actively killing his mother, which pissed off Jotaro

We could've had Giorno team up with a Jo for Part 5 but that would require Giorno's story being relevant to the Joestars

>>147497362
Gappy makes S&W happy

>>147497429
Who cares about Holly, what if Dio became a marine biologist too?

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But which JoJo girl has the fattest ass?

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Gappy makes me happy

>>147496169
I think the tier list was never meant to be taken seriously although I personally like villains who goals are hard to find fault in.

>>147497303
Did't he know, by then she wast his wife and did not care? Its 1 of 2 actions Funny does that are rather fucked up. Second being not taken Johnnys offer. I still wanted him to win. Fuck you Europe.

>>147497303
In the 19th century there were laws that stated a woman was her husband's property, and that trying to own her as your own was punishable. President's breaking his own rules.

>erase the earth
But that's not what happened in Pucci's case.

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Happy birthday Mr. President

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SHqWfbvAvs

>>147497444
Well, trips confirm 7 is the worst ending

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>>147497444
>That's hamon
well, it's about both Hamon and Spin

>>147497592
>all these fucking Duwang memes being made by people who have most likely never read it

>>147497566
>But that's not what happened in Pucci's case.
Pucci made a decision of massive philosophical impact to every single person on the planet solely based on his personal dissatisfaction with 1 element of life (unsureness). if that's not fucked up, idk what is

>>147497510
Lisa Lisa or Miu Miu

>>147497618
I guess I can't argue with the author, but I can say that no character in any part got a stand because they practiced hamon or spin with the one exception of joseph.

That also doesn't excuse ball breaker as a shitty plot device anyway.

>>147497444
>There was no reason to write in the Diego/HP fight.
The fight established that Valentine would not go down Easy in a fight with his D4C Ability. Diego with his Scary Monsters struggled because Valentine in a closed off area could just swap with Another Valentine and be semi-invincible.

>>147497704
>no character in any part got a stand because they practiced hamon or spin with the one exception of joseph
no, but both Rohan and Tonio are said to have gotten their stands merely by practicing their craft so much that they became excellent at it

>>147497592
What >>147497666 said, also that horridly grating voice

>>147497704
Spin and Hamon are steps to gaining a stand but are not he ONLY way of getting one. Natural born ones like Polnareff who had it since birth, or Jolyne who had hers activate After getting pricked with the Pendant. There are also 2 parts that REVOLVE around the arrow giving people stands.

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>>147497579
Happy birthday to best president.

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Gappy makes me happy

Why didn't eyes of heaven end with infinite hamon powered spin?

>>147497930
johnny tried but then dio just smacked it away

>>147497930
because jotaro doesn't know spin

>>147497666
At least she has a Dio pillow.

>>147497930
Because Hamon and Spin are shit

>>147497868

This. The corpse's parts also awaken stands (maybe even different stands), or special locations like the Devil's Palm from SBR or the Wall Eyes from JJL. Dio from part 7 got his stand from another dude and a fossil or something.

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>>147497579
Happy 169th birthday, President Valentine

>>147497930
The issue with having DIO as the main antagonist at all is because he's already lost to Jotaro, and we already know why he loses too. Since the focus was on DIO again, whose Stand is already canonically the same as Star Platinum, it really couldn't end any other way

If it were a different villain they would probably go down to their respective JoJo. If it were a new villain entirely, maybe it wouldn't matter

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>>147496858
Jobin confirmed for Great tier villian

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>>147497930
>Could've ended with Jonathan turning Dio himself into sponges by sacrifice because he's still technically got his body

>>147498121
Joubin is meh tier for now

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>>147498212
>DIO would just be a head Over Heaven and use his veins to run around while JOtaro and Co. chase after it while dodging Space Ripper Stingy Stars

>>147496169

Pucci is too high. Therefore, this list is shit.

Also, Dio is retaliating against his misfortunes. Didn't that retard read part 1? Dio in part 7 and his alternate were also outcasts that wanted to rise above society, and their ambitions got too big.

so just to be clear about the plot of JoJolion
>Rockmen have cornered the market on a very rare and valuable item
>all their activities are either completely legal (selling a fruit which afaik has no legal restrictions on it), or mostly legal (intimidating people who they consider a threat to their legitimate business)
>Kira decides he should be able to get a fruit to cure his mom for free because he wants one and doesn't feel like paying for it
>Josefumi and Kira team up to rob the Rockmen of products valued in the 10s of millions of dollars range
>after disguising their identities and becoming Josuke, he proceeds to kill every person who attempts to regain their stolen goods from him

why do people keep saying we don't know who the big bad of JJL is? we've known who it is from page 1, it's Josuke

>>147498212
>could have ended by Jonathan putting on the Stone Mask with the Red Stone of Aja as well as stabbing himself with the Beetle arrow to become the Perfect Lifeform + Stand

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>>147498283
>Imagining Dio's veins galloping away like a horse while Johnny pursues him on Slow Dancer

>>147496209
>ridiculous 'moving the earth' power that's never brought up
>gyro randomly gets a stand with stupid randumb xD effects

I agree with these. I still don't know wat the fuck was going on

>>147496858
Move Diavolo to mid Tier and Jobin to Meh tier

>>147498393
Jobin is only doing what he has to because he's been put in a situation where his child will be cursed, surely that qualifies as "Great" and not "Mid"

>>147498393
>>147498423
We still don't know what Jobin's up to, for all we know he could be Elder God or Shit by the end

Hoping he's anywhere between mid and great by the end though

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>>147498354
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg
>This plays while DIO is effortlessly dodging all the JoJo's
>This isnt only an actual cutscene but a Boss battle
>After each dodge a MUDA MUDA is heard

>>147498458
I you are the one we "fixed" the list just add him their for the memes

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>>147498283
>>147498354
>>147498467
I need this.

>>147497748
I. Know. That. We already established d4c was crazy powerful, why did we need to kill HP and diego to prove it further?

>>147497793
>>147497868
>>147498077
Look, we can argue all we want about how stands come about. The point is that Gyro got Ball Breaker from the balls interacting with other dimensions (which is retarded) and Ball Breaker's very existence is a bad plot device to make Gyro actually do something against Valentine before his very obvious death.

>>147496620
>No? Only jesus and the power of the devil's palm does that, gyro just had to do something to valentine before jobbing


Objectively wrong. Read the extra chapter again when they explain stands. Hamon and spin can be a means of obtaining a stand.

>>147498536
can you please read the entire thread next time before posting shit that ha already been posted

>>147496257
Why though? Johnny's stand had been powering up slowly throughout the whole part and his upgrades were actually tied to his character development.

GER is just pulled out of Giorno's ass because Araki made King Crimson too powerful to beat normally

>>147498569
>GER is just pulled out of Giorno's ass because Araki made King Crimson too powerful to beat normally
you're right, in the very beginning of part 5 when the villain had a stand arrow before Diavolo had been introduced whatsoever, Araki had already realized that the villain would be too strong, which is why he made "acquiring the arrow" the entire fucking plot of part 5

speedreaders please leave

>>147496209
No that would be part 6, 7 is actually the best ending

>>147498569
>his upgrades were actually tied to his character development
Do you mind explaining how
>oh shit what if I do my stand while riding my horse tho
is character development?

>>147498657
>oh shit what if I do my stand while riding my horse tho
Did.... did you read ANY of part 7?

>>147498523
>The point is that Gyro got Ball Breaker from the balls interacting with other dimensions
Where in the hell that happens? Isn't Ball Breaker just Gyro's evolution of the spin?

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>>147496209
>ridiculous 'moving the earth' power that's never brought up

Speed readers are sometimes almost as bad as wikifags.

>>147496209
>alt diegos death
Fuck you mate that was hilarious

>>147498706
yeah, but the argument that Johnny's use of Act 4 coincides with some sort of character growth is bullshit

>>147498569
Lemme correct you.

GER was built up over the course of several chapters starting from when Pol called Buccellati to tell him the arrow could be used to kill Diavolo. Green Day and Oasis show diavolo would pull out all stops to get to it, SCR was to get a taste of requiem's power, and GER itself tied up (albeit imperfectly) part 5's themes about fate and accepting it.

With valentine, araki knew he created a villain that would require an asspull to beat because he was so inhumanly strong, but knew that since spin's powers are so vague, asspully, and pseudoscientific to begin with he could really do anything. So we get ball jobber, and then insta win with Act 4. There's no real buildup to it, spin just magically is able to counter valentine's ability, and johnny finds this new ability just in the nick of time. Unlike part 5's imperfect but logical progression act 4 is just araki throwing random shit at the page but making it tediously long.

>>147497704
>but I can say that no character in any part got a stand because they practiced hamon or spin with the one exception of joseph.

And Gyro.

So, NO, you can't say that "no character in any part got a stand because they practiced hamon or spin" when two characters have done that. "Exceptions" are a fail in logic. First you say you are sure, then there is two examples when that happens.

I do agree that Ball Breaker's power is a deus ex though. Wtf it makes people old because of gravity and rotational energies? But only if he throws the ball right? ok

>>147498618
>which is why he made "acquiring the arrow" the entire fucking plot of part 5
That's a ridiculous exaggeration.

>>147498707
Yes it is.

>>147498712
A few days ago some anon was saying that those dues are funny's children. Considering how Scarlet was barren as fuck I doubt it.

>>147498749
Nigga thats like saying Koichi's Echoes upgrading to act 3 as character growth is bullshit.
The stand evoles only because of the users growth. During Johnny's troubles Gyro usually gives him a lesson to learn with sometimes end up evolving his stand. (See Civil war fight and In a Silent Way)

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>Johnny's stand power up from act 1 to act 4 throughout the course of the entire story
>somehow less of an asspull as GER

steel ball run haters are not welcome

gb2
>>>/trash/

I want to hug /JoJo/


tighly

>>147498749
It does. If memory serves right he gets Act 4 only after he learns Gyro's final lesson, masters the golden ratio and is filled with determination to spin Valentine to death.

>>147498781
>funny's children
They're just government agents. Curly hairstyles like those are a status symbol of sorts in this series's America. We saw several of them in SBR too, such as the winter catfish dude.

>>147498707
Its just meant to be the manifestation of energy the ball picks up as the damage it causes damage across dimensions, or something like that.

>>147498729
Its not brought up again. And it makes no sense in the first place. What, you thought it was good writing?

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>>147497510
「ＨＡＩＬ２Ｕ」

>>147498779
regardless, the insinuation that the entire plot of the last quarter of the part was made up solely because "whoops KC is too powerful lol" is absurd


>>147498834
>The stand evoles only because of the users growth
for Acts 1-3, sure, i'll give you that. Civil War was a notable character development stop for Johnny, and his behavior and personality are noticeably different after Civil War than before, which ties into how his philosophical outlook on life was what led to him developing Act 3 by shooting himself in the head in the first place. Act 4 is not that. Act 4 is "what if i use my stand, but on a horse!" and Johnny is no different after Act 4 than before. if you want to point to actual character growth for Johnny, let's talk about how he reconciles his troubled childhood and damaged relationship with his father, and that results in no change to his stand whatsoever

>>147498903
There are people that think that Karera is hot

>>147498862
Come on, even the /trash/ jojofags like SBR.
Myself included.

New op this week?

>>147498870
This makes no sense.

A fucking master of the spin who has a family that practices it for generations does not learn the 'Super Spin' that's able to kill Valentine, but some horse jockey is able to do it in a few months.

>>147498891
its not brought up again because funny died? Thats the power of the corpse buddy.

>>147499026
No, there are going to use Crazy Noisy Bizarre Town EDM Version until episode 39

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>>147498967
Mu 「ＢＯＮＥＲ」 proves that she is.

>>147497510

Names of them all? Or at least the last 10?

>>147498903
I've seen one exceptionally good Karera by a western cosplayer who looked just like her and even got the hair curls right. I really wish I didn't forget to save it.

>>147499081
The Super Spin on the horse was a sort of myth in the Zeppeli family taken from Gladiators who rode Horses in Medieval times. Gyro and Johnny were the first to try it in modern day.

>>147498862
Nigga I liked SBR, hell I liked the early fights no one remembers like boku no rhythm and tomb of the boom, Civil War, mandom, and 11 nameless men are all in my top 10 fights and stands from the series, d4c is one of my favorite major villain stands and the characters are all great.

So when I rank it as one of my least favorite parts purely because of the ending, that should say something.

Do you prefer the spelling Kars, Cars or Kaazu?

>>147499169
Why not read the manga and find out?

>>147499081
Do you remember how much of a Hamon Chosen One the original Jonathan was? Will spend his entire life knowing he was gonna die, spent a couple days training Jon, then jobbed to Tarkus

JoJos have a habit of being instant experts at shit

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>>147496257
Why I believe people like it more:
>Gyro legit implies an alternative method to obtaining a full movement with the Golden Rotation through Lesson 5, and Johnny realizes this after his death
>Tusk legitimately is evolving with Johnny's mastery of the Spin and his growth, so it's a little more expected (not justifying it, but it doesn't feel so out of left field)
>Valentine doesn't immediately get rekt and there's still a final, emotionally-charged showdown instead of "fuck you King Crimson have infinite deaths"
>The ability is genuinely cool (infinite spinning), and ends with the series' trademark Stand Rush (which didn't exist throughout the entire part), instead of just the power of Nope
>they're both asspulls but one is in the guise of utilizing a new form of an existing technique, instead of pricking yourself with a plot artifact

I thought GER was pretty great, for the record.

>>147499081
Gyro masters it and gets Ball Breaker. And almost gets him with it. Johnny not only knew the spin, but also had a stand on top of it. For all we know, Johnny could be less versed in the spin than Gyro, but he already had a stand to rely on, whereas Gyro only got his in his last moments.

>>147499169
Erina
Lisa Lisa
Suzy Q
Reimi
Yukako
Aya
??
Trish
Jolyne
FF
Hermes
Annasui F
??
Guess
Miu Miu
Miraschon
Lucy
Hot Pants
??
Daiya
Yasuho

>>147497793
Don't forget about Aya.

>>147499213
Despite calling Stands by their original names like Crazy Diamond and Gold Experience, I kind of prefer the names Wamuu, Esidisi and Kars

Something about it feels more exotic about those names. I prefer Santana though

>>147499289
The ?? ones are Shinobu, Pearla, and Sugar Mountain.

>>147499289

First ?? is kira's wife

Besides that I knew all others and the ones I didn't you also didn't know so yeah

awkward

>>147499331
Same. They have a nice sound to them and fit well the characters.

>>147499344
ah thx anon

>>147499213
>Kars or Cars

what's the difference

>>147499237

I did. Didn't recognize. Some are minor. Someone already answered too so fuck off

>>147499331
>>147499401
They are the exact same names, just romanized

>>147499153
3D Karera is shit, 2D Karera is perfection.

>>147499213
Kars, Wamuu, and Esidisi simply because they sound like actual names.

>>147499512
They are, but the change in letters from something super English-sounding like Wham or ACDC comes off as easier to take seriously

Kars a little less-so

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>>147499492
>Someone already answered too so fuck off
The funny thing here is that >>147499344 is me too.

>>147499512
Kars is exactly the same.
Wham to Whamuu and ACDC to Esidisi have noticeable different sounds.

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>>147496169
These lists are always kind of shitty but reminding me of Pucci's spiel about destiny makes me sad.

>Pucci wanted a world where everyone knew what was going to happen because he hadn't expected his sister to die and still can't come to terms with it

>>147499643
Araki himself actually already intentionally wrote their names differently from the way the band names are written in Japanese so it makes sense the English ones wouldn't match either, especially for those two.

>>147499743
Oh.
That makes sense.

>>147499706
COuld all the trouble of Heaven be avoided if Pucci told Weather he was his brother earlier and DIDNT pay the KKK?

>>147499706
Its not sad, its frightening.

Pucci doesn't blame anything that happens to his brother or sister on himself, and just blames fate instead. His vision of heaven is to give people power over fate by seeing it directly, but all this would do is just have everybody in the world unable to come to terms with it since it wouldn't change anyway. It'd be hell.

If dio wanted to stand above fate, kira thought fate favoured him, and diavolo wanted to control fate, then pucci wanted to fight it directly, and fucked over literally everybody in the process.

>>147499537
>Kars
>sounds like an actual name
u wot

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>>147499174
You must find it!

>>147499706
>he hadn't expected his sister to die and still can't come to terms with it
this doesn't justify the desire to change the fundamental nature of living for every single person on the planet

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>>147499905
>He hasnt met he boy who was named after a Car itself
C'mon now.

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>>147496209
>>147498379
>Ticket To Ride's "moving the earth"
The assembled Holy Corpse removes bad luck from an area by flinging it somewhere else, and the dimensional gap that Lucy formed (Love Train) is a more physical version of the Corpse's ability. It's warping the land because the gap is contorting space and gravitating all the "bad luck" towards Lucy (which is also why Hot Pants got killed by the window frame as she was close to Lucy)

>Ballbreaker
The Stand itself is simply the physical representation of Gyro's mastery in the Spin. He threw with a perfect rotation which broke the barrier, Ball Breaker is just a cool visualization for what he was already going to do. The perfect spin basically causes your very cells to spin so they start deteriorating, thus aging.

I thought these were kind of obvious but hey.

>>147499905
As opposed to Cars or ACDC, I mean.

>>147496209
Would SBR ending be better if:

>no alt Diego
>Johnny isn't suddenly able to walk again
>Final battle with Valentine ties into the SBR race
>Johnny wins the SBR race

>>147499905
If you don't immediatelly associate it with an automobile, it kinda does.

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>>147498862
>several chapters about the arrow being the only way to defeat Diavolo
>Giorno gets the arrow
>MUH ASSPULL

SBRfags are pathetic.

>>147498121
Jobin isn't the main villain it would be too obvious.

>>147498862
>>147500096
Honestly, both of them are asspulls. The difference is ACT 4 was cooler and the entire fight was very climactic to begin with. That's about it.

>>147500082
Alt Diego was just there for fanservice anyways, but nobody gives a fuck about the race, Johnny only wanted to walk again

Honestly that sounds empty as fuck and misses the point of the story

>>147500158
Yes, but this is true of most of the endings, but part 5 always gets dumpstered on because it's the hip meme to dislike anything part 5.

>>147500030
>Kars sounds like an actual name as opposed to Cars
perhaps "sounds" isn't the word you mean?

>>147500096
>a couple chapters thrown in near the end
>equivalent to Johnny's power and character growing for the whole 6 years of steel ball run

>>147500239
I thought the hip meme around her was that you cant shit on part 5 for MUH TANSLATIONS and anyone who says part 2 is the best is a filhty memer?

>>147500113
>>147498121

I'm pretty sure the main villain is Norisuke, I'm just waiting excitedly on how Araki will reveal and explain it.

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>>147500247
wait what the flying fuck Steel Ball Run was a 6 year race?! Where are the timeskips?

>>147499861
>>147499956
Finding his situation sad doesn't always have to be someone trying to justify his actions.

>>147500279
No, the popular meme is hate on parts 5, 3, and 6, and jerk off to parts 4 and 7.

>>147500247
The race was only three months, retard

>>147500096
I love how you fags all pretend like the speech Valentine gives and the whole shit with him almost tricking Johnny to save him doesn't exist, and part 7 is completely ruined from the act 4 asspull.

At least it's not anticlimactic like GER, since GER was literally "fuck you I win", since there was tension from other things happening too.

>>147500247
>a couple chapters thrown in near the end
we might as well end this stupid conversation if these are the type of reductive arguments you're going to make

>>147500302
I think he meant the publishing of SBR itself. the race itself took a couple of months didnt it?

>>147500355
nobody in this thread is saying SBR is bad, people are saying "SBR suffers from the same issues that people give other parts shit for, but people like SBR in spite of those flaws, so they should stop shitting on other parts using those same flaws as justification"

>>147500342
part 4 was never good, it only appealed to the shounenfags who grew up to and became addicted to shounen anime set in high school

>>147500082
SBR ending would have been fine with
>no HP/diego fight
>the concept of act 4 was brought up much earlier
>ball breaker didn't hop out of gyro's ass last minute and he either doesn't get it or gets it much early on, like after mandom
>valentine fight takes place AFTER race is over, so we can tie up the johnny and diego rivalry
>hot pants and diego get satisfying ends to their character arcs

>>147500029
I understand why both of those things were brought up. I'm saying it's bad writing how they were utilized.

Bites the Dust, for instance, comes out of nowhere, but it doesn't feel like a dumb asspull like ball breaker and isn't stupid like ticket to ride since it ties into the whole 'fate protects kira' thing and makes sense thematically with kira's character. Plus the btd arc was done very well and didn't drag on forever

>>147500355
>At least it's not anticlimactic like GER, since GER was literally "fuck you I win", since there was tension from other things happening too.
i found GER perfectly climactic, but i read the final quarter of VA over the course of like a month, so i found the building towards the climax to be really engaging. i guess i can see how it would be anticlimactic if you read the whole climax in like an hour though, like how people who are just catching up to JJL think that damo is overrated

>>147500479
>ball breaker didn't hop out of gyro's ass last minute and he either doesn't get it or gets it much early on, like after mandom
my dude. if Gyro didn't get BallBreaker, he'd just go "this is my super super duper spin ball move" and do the same thing. at least BallBreaker looks cool

>>147500166
>misses the point of the story
>point of the story
>point

Araki gave no fuck about the ending of SBR he later died of a cold

>>147500534
>Araki gave no fuck about the ending of SBR he later died of a cold
ah the ol' HURR DURR I'M A DAFT FOOL routine, classic funposting

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>>147500534
>Pocoloco won the race
>By having the most optimism in himself

>>147500588
is "stardust man" the worst forced SC meme?

>>147500621
We have no non-forced memes here.

>>147500511
I'd almost be fine with that, because it was established the only way to get a stand was through jesus or some other power, except for that one panel that says you can use spin (like, why didn't get wekapipo get a stand?)

The only purpose of gyro's final attack was because gyro had to do something against valentine because it was obvious he would die and let johnny win. It was dumb back in part 1, it was dumb in part 2, it didn't need to be replicated in 7, which is a hundred times better than those parts combined

>>147498353
Ultimate lifeform Jonathon would be so fucking cool to see

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>>147500621
Nigga i just use it to organized my Folder of every Jotaro image. He also has a song in OST called "Stardust man" so take it as you will.

>>147500652
that just sounds like an issue with the "mentor dies and student succeeds" trope moreso than with part 7 itself though?

>>147500645
what are you talking about, "KIRA LOOKS LIKE SEINFELD LOL" isn't forced at all

>>147500700
>what are you talking about, "KIRA LOOKS LIKE SEINFELD LOL" isn't forced at all
Is that an actual meme? I made the original image for fun and I haven't seen it aroudn since.

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>>147497700

>>147500803
it's dead now that kosaku kira is on the jojo website instead of yoshikage kira thankfully

>>147500700
I guess. I don't know why araki decided to use the trope again in part 7 after he had written much better endings in the previous parts, it's just a very predictable and uninteresting way for the MC to get his final powerup. I'll even take the 'ancient artifact of power' trope in 5 over it.

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>>147500827

>>147500827
Who the hell is that? I havent seen her before...

>>147500841
did it really get that bad

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>>147500901
Best girl

>>147500921
You sure? I feel like i wouldve remember her if she was the best...

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>Johnny is mastering his stand/spinning technique for the whole fucking arc
>herp derp why he suddenly gets his act 4 at final bossfight so asspull

>entire arc about the arrow
>「ＤＩＯ」's son has gay shitstand that doesn't even control time
>all this obscure ayylmay requiem madness
>hurr durr GER is so asspull ruined the moment

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Post underrated heroes

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>>147500952
You've come under the effect of her stand

>>147500988
desu some of the Stone ocean girls look pretty damn fine. Gwess,FF, Miu Miu is aight (Its the clothes and that insane hairstyle that a putoff)

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>>147499861
it literally wasn't his fault tho. It was "caused" by him but it's not his fault. there's a difference.

>JoJo
>JoJo
>JoJo
>JoHi
>GioGio
>JoCu
>JoJo
>JoHi
What the fuck is Araki's problem? Why aren't they all JoJo like I was told?

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>>147500986

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>>147501166
Fuck Kirafags, Shigechi deserved a much better life.

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>>147501160
(You)

>>147501160
>JoCu
by that logic jotaro is JoKu

>>147501166
Damm, I forgot how really fucking shitty Shigechi looked in the manga. The anime at least made him look normal barring the spiky head

>>147501249
Actually by that logic Jotaro is JoCu too. They've got the same surname.

>>147500983
Act 4 is fine but alt diego is a total asspull

>oh fuck this hole keeps sucking me
>hey 「ＤＩＯ」 I never liked you and killed you three chapters ago but go ザーワアルド & fuck up Johnny for me plz

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>>147500988
Where am I? What thread is this? Hey, something is written on my arm...
>Jolyne is the best girl
>FF is second best girl
>Miu Miu belongs in the trash

fuck anybody who says the jojo threads dont actually discuss the series

I've been having fun debating about GER and Tusk Act 4

>>147501160
No baitanon, it's

>JoJo
>JoJo
>JoJo
>Jojo
>GioGio (pronounced JoJo)
>JoJo
>JoJo
>Jojo

They're all JoJo.

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>>147501296

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>>147501336
>Little miss daddy issues
>best

FF is good though

>>147501398
You're a moron. They're both 空条.

>>147501370
I agree. Despite the shitflinging the discussion was pretty good.

>>147500988
>>147501336
>>147501160
Too bad we've gone back to this shit again

>>147501381
How is part 8 Jojo?

>>147501249
KuJO JOtaro is JoJo. JOlyne CUjoh is not.

>>147501370
We have our ups and downs.

>>147501381
You're literally making shit up. Josuke Higashikata only has one "Jo" in it.

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>>147501166
When I read part 4 I interpreted Shigeki as a fat sniveling retard and I didn't feel bad for him when he made his exit.

Putting a voice to the face humanized him a lot. He was just a snotty kid who had this cool power and wanted to have friends. His death in that episode left me fucking gutted.

>>147501472
Jolyne is Kujo too. Cujoh is just a result of Araki not giving a shit about consistent romanizations, just like how Joseph is also Josef, Bruno is also Blono, Jyosefumi is also Josephmi, and the list goes on.

>>147501370
Do either of them beat "SAMU STANDO"?

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>>147501517
Josuke's full name is Jojo Toho

Sorry, you've been lied to

>>147501459
>>147501517
The kanji used for the "suke" can also be read as "jo". It's this way for both hair Josuke and hat Josuke

>>147501517
It's wordplay based on spelling of Jousuke's first name. It gets lost in translation in English. But Jousuke does in fact abbreviate to Jojo.

>>147501538
It's literally written exactly like that in the manga. You're saying you know better than Araki?

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>>147501517

>>147501517
"suke" can be read as "jo", and even then, he's Joseph's son.

Technically, Josuke Hiagshikata could be Jojo Joestar.

>>147501593
>It's literally written exactly like that in the manga.
You're reading a fan translation. They're both 空条.

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>>147501626
>Jojojo's Bizarre Adventure

Truly Araki is the greatest writer our generation

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>>147501701
>3 times the jojo

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>>147501638
?

>>147501542
I'm fine with Jotaro being able to stop time, I thought that was pretty cool. But Dio being done in by that one kick was fucking retarded. The World is supposed to be stronger than Star Platinum, and Dio was also powered up by Joestar blood. I was in such utter disbelief by that end to the fight that I seriously thought Dio was going to come back somehow in the ambulance because I could not believe that Araki would kill him off in such a lame way

So wait, just finished part 5.

Is there any character from any work of fiction that could legitimately beat GER? If it can move outside the boundaries of time and space, activate even after the user and itself dies or gets destroyed, and can negate anything it wishes, then what could conceivably beat it?

>>147501576
Ok

I respect your opinion

>>147501790
The World Over Heaven.

>>147501730
That's just a single shot and there is another in one of the artbooks that calls her a Kujo. See once more what I said about Joseph and Josef.

>>147501790
Canonically no. It might even be the reason Araki decided to reboot after Part 6 because then he would have to ignore Giorno's OPness completely

Even Tusk Act 4 has nothing on GER

So which stand users could actually survive the Hell Climb Pillar?

>>147500286
How did you come to that conclusion?

>>147501876
Joseph.

I am pretty sure Jolyne calls herself ''Cujoh'' because she despises Jotaro.

>>147501811
I don't even get how TWOH works.

It's powers are just that it can manipulating time and space through its hands. What does that even mean? Why doesn't he just erase people from history when he punches them? Did the writers of EoH also forget that GER could negate the fact that Heaven Dio blocks or attacks, or that GER by being able to move in the deleted time effectively means it's above time and space entirely?

>>147501815
But in Eyes of Heaven she's called Jolyne Cujoh as well, while Jotaro is still a Kujo.

>>147501959
I wouldn't take game translations seriously. They're rather bad.

>>147501959
Jolyne is murrican while Jotaro is a nip. Maybe Jotaro is just shitty at english and wrote his surname wrong on Jolyne birth certificate.

>>147501959
I always thought it was just a feminine connotation of "Kujo". I don't think male/female connotations of spelling work on surnames though.

>>147501948
That scene in EoH existed solely to prevent Giorno from ending the story then and there. In reality they should've gone Jotaro, Johnny, Giorno instead of reverse to show how powerful Over Heaven truly was

It's a fanservice game and not even canon anyways. The ending shows all the dead characters in the final battle as a final, happy end for all the characters after all they've suffered

>>147501959
I think the Araki logic is just that "Cujoh" is a more American romanization of "Kujo", so that's what Jolyne and her mother use.

>>147501898
All these little signs that have been flashed in the story.

Like that room under the earthquake-damaged patio area which mysteriously has a pair of clothes just like Josuke's which is in the same underground area where Norisuke stores his fruits and other business supplies.

>>147501907
Kek

Is there going to be ghosts after part 4?

>>147502111
>DIO did that whole fucking insane Heaven plan to get TWOH
>Jotaro just up and gets it like nothing

>>147502495
GHOST HOUSE
H
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H
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>>147502542
Same Stand meme

>>147502495
Boo

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jojo sucks ass

>>147502495
Limp Bizkit

>>147502576
ESUOH TSOHG
S
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T
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>>147502609
Better than Screaming: The Anime.

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>>147502609
Koichi what happened to all your hair?

>>147501701
Where is third Jo from?

Does Diavolo keep dying in the universe reset?

>tfw you want to make jojo fan theories but the plot makes no sense and facts about characters can change at random

>>147502847
someone please save Diavolo he was mentally ill and doesn't deserve that kind of pain

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>>147502749
>Josuke Joestar
suke can be read as jo in japanese, so he will be Jojo Joestar aka Jojojo.

>>147502945
That just makes it easier really. Just pick a character and headcanon away

Like Lisa Lisa regularly eats shota dicks to help accentuate her hamon capabilities

>>147502955
But he is Higashikata.

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>>147503015
>he's Joseph's son.
>Technically, Josuke Hiagshikata could be Jojo Joestar
Can you even read anon?

>>147503101
But he isn't Joestar.

>Part 8 ends with Josuke living with Holly as Josuke Joestar

>>147502999
Not really, no. I actually take it seriously, which means I gather evidence before making a claim.

No evidence, no theory. and since any evidence in jojo can disappear in the blink of an eye I can't work on this. One piece is much easier but the fandom is so goddamn stupid half of them still think a minor character who got stabbed multiple times directly in the heart (not the chest, the heart) is still alive

Re-reading Gyro's death in color hurts.

WHY EVERYONE HAD TO HAVE SUCH SHITTY FATE IN SBR

>>147503213
DIED OF A COLD and also ROCK TO THE HEAD

>>147503183
>technically
>could be
So, you really can't read

>>147503254
He can't be Joestar, he is fucking bastard.

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>>147503213

Does act 3 only freeze things? thats a bit shit compared to act 2, no? Can he pull out act 2 instead of 3?

>>147503567
yes he can pull out act 1, 2, or 3 depending on the situation

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What was the point of Kak?

>>147496209
Nah, the dumbest thing araki ever did was introduce alt diego with za warudo

"the best stand" always gets defeated apparently

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>>147503628
memes

>>147503621
Why the fuck wouldn't you just pull out act 2 and slap 'heavy' on them? or 'gravity x 100' on them?

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>>147503628
>>147503702
you know it pal

>>147503628
memes and to set up the "badass who dies/is a memester" standard

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Do Diavolo and Doppio flirt over the phone?

>>147503428
The decisions comes down to whether Joseph wants to give Josuke his last name

>>147503567
echoes is one of those super overpowered stands that could probably defeat every villain in the part if he knew how to use it.

>puts a bunch of kanji on josuke or jotaro or even himself that make him essentially invulnerable
>puts kanji on okuyasu to make the hand faster
>could probably use sounds to trick or disorient ratt
>could freeze enigma boy
>could put kanji for 'off' on cheap trick to force him off
or he could abuse the fact that three freeze literally comes about because it rhymes with three. just think, he could have three breeze, three cease, three seas, three trees, whatever

>>147503723
Because ko-1 is dumb and has no dignity.

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>>147503951

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>funny valentine will never give you a funny valentine

>>147503833
for as much as I like diavolo, I really hate that doppio turns into him fujo bait

I mean, the only reason I like doppio because the contrast between his ditziness and when diavolo comes out like with the fortune teller or the cab driver is great

>>147504035
Yummy in Funny's Tummy

>>147504084
Delete this

>>147503833
>No porn of doppio and diavolo having phone sex with doppio jerking himself off and diavolo calling him a slut

>>147504084
kill yourself

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>>147504084

>>147503923
And he not want it.

>>147504116
http://archiveofourown.org/works/5820250 shhhh

>>147503723
He could also set someone as a positive magnetic pole, and set stuff as negative poles, to make a possibly broken ability.

>>147504274
Why not? Josuke proved himself to be worthy of the name

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>>147503951
Better question

Which Stand isn't incredibly broken?

>>147504367
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>>147503951
if koichi got instantly fucked by kira, I doubt he would be able to pull off half the shit you guys are saying.

remember act 2 does need to be somewhat stealthy to pull off its epic kanji ruses, something koichi only successfully did against yukako because she was seething and couldn't focus

>>147504438
several...? what do you mean?

>>147504421
Suzi Q

> Araki is gonna end JoJo on part 8.

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how come every time araki draws a child i'm creeped out

Idk it seems like past part 6, every time he needs to draw a little kid it looks really uncanny valley. Tsurugi looks okay in some shots (especially the close-ups) but all the far shots he looks real jarring compared to the others.

>>147504438
Sex Pistols.
Sure, it is useful as hell, but in the end it is pretty balance.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3FbVsf3sj4

>>147504664
>tfw Tsurugi goes on to help the part 9 protagonist
>part 9 protagonist is some sort of descendant from part 8's main villain
>goes back to the travel around the world to find the main villain formula from part 3 and part 5
>Overpowered stands everywhere

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>>147504438
Crazy Diamond because is unbreakable

is rps kid the strongest stand user in the series?

>just by absorbing even a little bit of heaven's door, he can undo its effect on him
>if he absorbs a little bit of tusk act 4, he can use super spin on himself
>if he absorbs some of GER, he can undo GER's negation
>if he absorbs some of The World, he can move in the stopped time
>if he absorbs some of King Crimson, he can override Diavolo's deletion and predict beyond it
>if he absorbs Made in Heaven, he can survive his soul getting replaced in the new universe and he himself can become joint god of the new world along with pucci
>if he absorbs TWOH, he can use SAMU STANDO to negate whatever TWOH negates
>if he absorbs D4C, he can travel to several more universes without ever worrying about turning into sponges or getting fucked over by valentines and absorb even more stands
>if he absorbs Silver Chariot Requiem, he can be safe from the biological manipulation and spirit swap and proceed to get an upgrade to Boy II Man
not to mention he can absorb all of these stands, plus an infinite number of them if he absorbs even a little bit of D4C. All it requires is literally just winning one game of rock paper scissors and he's pretty good at the game to begin with and only loses because rohan is a cheating asshurt faggot.

>>147504946
Pocoloco would always beat him though
Pocoloco strongest

>>147504946

Too bad he'd just get PUNCHED in the face regardless of his stand's ability !

>>147504850
> Tsurugi ends up as a super buff dude, and calls out the protagonist on his faggotry.

>>147505034
>art slowly shifts back to ultra-buff part 3 style

>>147504946
no because literally every villain would have killed him after the first game, he is just a little kid after all. Also Silver chariot requiem doesn't have an user so he can't get any part of it by any means.

>>147505009
true, but cheating's not out of the question. if he manages to successfully cheat and win even one game against poco and get even a little bit of Hey Ya, he'd be stronger than Saitama, TOAA, the entire kami tenchi universe, the entire dbz universe, and every other massive power levelling faggot combined

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Last night I was thinking about something...
Human flesh, you know...
If eaten, would it be tasty? Or would it insipid?

>>147505091
he could always just play SCR in rock paper scissors. I'm sure requiem would probably be pretty bored floating on a meteor for some million number of years

and if he absorbs a bit of their stands, he can use the third against them to prevent his own death.

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>>147505292
lol

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>>147505352

>>147505335
automatic stands are simple, they do what thay are supposed to do, Requiem will never play any game with anyone, it never get bored of its task. When RPS kid can get almost every stand he can't get any of Requiem by any means.

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>>147505352
ENOUGH

>>147505352
if rps kid beat the person who drew this in rock paper scissors, would he suck out a third of the faggotry?

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>>147505352
DELETE DELETE DELETE

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>>147503628
He was the voice o reason in the group after Avdol got nerfed

Explain me please "Gappy makes me happy" meme please.