Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1679

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今日も一日ask your questionsぞい

> no problem remembering stuff like 放課後, 事務室, 消防署
> 運転、転勤、運動、転勤 are giving me hell

why

What does it mean when くって is used instead of くて?
e.g. 気持ち悪くって汚らわしい
Is it just used for emphasis?

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>tfw number of anki reviews is growing

(reposting from last thread)
Could someone please mirror this and add it to the CoR? It's KKLC (Kodansha Kanji Learner's Course) with a Table of Contents added.
https://mega.nz/#!W05AAAaS!oiS2yGMbsmZpERM1EkqDWnFS1MGSv2Yh4eE7M7EDlVY

>>147487811

no idea but I think the くって is used as a quotatory

like, "the way you say 気持ち悪い is 汚らわしい"

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>>147488001
I can say with some certainty that that's not correct

>>147487751
私のお嫁さんになってください

How fluent will I be once I've mastered core2k?

>>147488130
About 2000 fluents

>>147487146
3k is plenty if you only read manga and modern literature that isn't trying to be chuuni

4k is pretty much impossible without mining 旧字体 (which you usually don't need to mine to understand) or like learning from lists of obscure words, or reading tons of pre-war literature

Hello /djt/
I have a question about the grammar in this sentence:
>自分でも知らなかった性癖を暴露されて恥ずかしいどころじゃ済まないぞ
Specifically
>どころじゃ + 済まない
Does this mean "not the time for"? So the sentence means something like "Even though my even to myself unknown fetish was exposed, it's not the time to feel sorry for myself"? I feel like I am off somewhere so I'd appreciate it if you could help me.

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>>147487811
語感がねっとりするよ

Is there a way to reselect text that you've already selected in the IME?

Like if I go to type 射精, but accidentally type 写生, is there a way that I can change it without having to retype it?

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RIP

>>147488250
No, it's "it won't be over with just being embarassed". He's saying just being embarassed isn't enough as a reacting to what happened.

>>147488250
Xどころではない = far worse than just X
Xどころじゃすまない = will end up far worse than just X

>>147486325
This actually makes me hyped for Persona 5, even though I hated all other entries in the series.
Maybe I'll buy it one day if I ever clear my backlog.

>>147488327
>>147488334
Perfect, thank you.

>you will NEVER reach Kanken 1 level
Why even bother, lads?

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Quick someone pass me the そういえばソース

>>147488513
As long as I can reach the level where I can finish a porn game a week I'm happy.

Can someone help me out with this 宿場タラ?
I'm working on understanding a Map and it makes literally no sense to me, especially the タラ. Would be really appreciated if someone could guide me here.

>>147488513
neither will 99% of native japanese speakers, why would you even think of taking that test?

>tfw 松岡修造 will never be your 兄貴
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_l6QgjIFDk

>>147488670
>not wanting to be the best at everything you do
Sad!

>>147488735
That's the type of thing where it is actually possible to be the best just because most people don't give a shit. It's like trying to find the most obscure sport possible so that you can qualify for the olympics.

>>147488965
>>147488735
Rekt that kid hard mate, good jobbu

>>147488965
That settles it

I'm going to be the worlds best imouto wrangler

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So a guy asks if someone has free time.
今少し時間があるかな？
Which the response is this:
暇で暇でしょうがありませんね。
I can tell that it is an affirmation that he does have time because the other guy says this and invites him somewhere:
よろしい。

But I can't figure out the grammar of this sentence:
暇で暇でしょうがありませんね。
Can anyone help me?

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>>147488214
>4k is pretty much impossible without mining 旧字体
I mine them whenever I find one just to boost my grid.
It's probably not healthy

>>147489350
polite form of 仕様が無い...

>>147489350
The first guy should call the second guy an おかま

>That feeling of despair when you've been reading for one and a half years but still barely understand grammar above school SoL level

>>147489523
The results of not challenging yourself and being happy with staying mediocre.

>>147488342
I'm playing it right now and it's pretty good.
Not sure if you like it if you didn't like 3 but it fixed a lot of bad shit the series had.

>>147489446
So it's like even if he didn't have time he would still go? I tried looking up the grammar but was unsuccessful.
>>147489489
The first guy outranks him by a large degree.

>>147489544
That's probably true since I only find moe shit compelling, I rarely care about plot and action shit

I still do try and challenge myself though, it just feels like I've been reading this entire time without actually having a grasp of grammar, somehow

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I want to convert the first RTK to an Anki deck. Would you guys be interested in it?

>>147489350
The guy's really bored but doesn't have any ginger to spice it up.

>>147489699
been done

>>147489699
Why? That already exists, and KD is better anyway

>>147460563
>>147484278
In the lesson about "Expressing non-feasibility", there's this example sentence:

>この場ではちょっと決めかねますので、また別途会議を設けましょう。

From what I've learned, when using ので, the verb before it should be in the dictionary form since の, in this case, acts as a nominalizer and makes the verb into a noun. But, in this example, the construction ～ますので is used, which, I believe, doesn't exist.

>>147487811
Aren't you just changing the 悪い from an adjective to a adverb.

>>147489350
どうしようもない
It can’t be helped
There is nothing I can do
I have no idea
nothing can be done

仕様(しよう)がない・仕様もない ＝ 仕方(しかた)がない
どうしようもない　> short form > しようもない・しようがない

暇で暇でしょうがない mean is 私は時間を余らせています。

>>147489623
I read nothing but plotge and still don't know my way around grammar.
Just relax and enjoy whatever you're reading.

>>147484333
Forgot to quote dem trips. See >>147489871, my nigga

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>>147489915
Thanks, I'll try, I hate getting stuck in demotivation loops

>>147489954
ます itself is a verb in the dictionary form

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>>147489913
ほんとうにどうしようもないおにいちゃんだ

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>>147490038
Nah, lad

>>147489558
アノン君が好きで好きで仕方がないわ
好きすぎて心が痛む

If I want to do RTK, do I have to do all three books?

>>147489871
>construction ～ますので is used, which, I believe, doesn't exist.
And you would be wrong. There is no more to this conversation.

>>147490147
the ます itself is, in fact, the dictionary form of ます

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>>147489913
Oh my god I just realized I read it as でしょう and not しょうがありません by itself. Everything makes sense now. Thanks everyone.

>>147490043
どうしようもないイモウトですね　ﾅﾃﾞﾅﾃﾞ( ^^)/(･･､)

>>147490237
What

>>147490221
Then explain why I'm wrong

>>147490216
You don't really want to do it.

>>147490216
No. You'll know more than enough to break down any unfamiliar kanji by the time you finish RTK 1. Half the new kanji I see aren't in even RTK 3 anyway.

>>147490216
don't bother, read >>147487927 instead

>>147490287
>Then explain why I'm wrong
You're wrong because the construction exists and you just saw it.

>>147490296
Why?
>>147490298
Oh, each book is self-contained? I thought they complemented each other.
>>147490317
I've never heard of that book, though. Why should I do that and not RTK?

>>147489555
>it fixed a lot of bad shit the series had.
Can you expand on that a little.

I wonder if they'll ever have a sale or if there's a trick to get the game cheaper, because right now it's a bit too expensive to me for a game I might not like.

>>147490287
>What
Yes

>>147489913
>暇で暇で
Not him and I know what the sentence means, but what exactly is this? Why is it repeated? Is this a grammar point I can look up somewhere?

>>147490365
>>147490502
Eh, whatever. I'll just ignore it.

>>147490512
暇 + 連用形 of だ + 暇 + 連用形 of だ + 仕方がない

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>>147490587
>連用形 of だ

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>>147490287
やり直せ

Starting third year class next monday, but I think I'll have to drop out, there was too great a gap between when I took 203 and now and I've forgotten a lot. I regret not studying. Don't make the same mistake.

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>>147490722

>>147490722
>learning japanese slower than the pace of classes
i'm so sorry

>>147490587
Ok and why can't you just write it once

>>147489871
Idiot, your entire premise is wrong.

https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/15263/can-you-use-the-polite-form-ます-with-ので

>>147490722
Just read some eromanga and you'll be up to date.

>>147490475
Brought back most of the good shit from 1-2 (demon negotiation, more elements, shadows are demons instead of shitty copypaste blobs)
Better setting, writing and characters than 4.
Battles aren't too slow.
Bosses have proper dungeons that aren't shitty random generated corridors.
怪盗団 gimmick is fun.
Only problem for me so far is how the soundtrack is weaker than the previous games.

>if there's a trick to get the game cheaper
Modding your PS3 to get it for free is one of them.
Or sharing a PSN account with a friend who bought it.

全国の高校生諸君に声を大にして伝えたいけど、
大学に行けば何もしなくても彼氏彼女ができるとか、
脳内お花畑もいいところだからね？

What does the もいいところ at the end of this mean?

>>147490836
Because.

Can't you just do some thinking about this stuff. It's a way of saying "very 暇" and repetition has the effect of emphasizing in like in english (it's the opposite in chinese for some reason)

>>147490978
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q10118888130
50 hours in google

>>147490929
>Battles aren't too slow.
>Bosses have proper dungeons that aren't shitty random generated corridors.
That's what mattered most to me, thanks.

>>147490989
Freetime is'ing freetime is'ing so it can't be helped

Yeah sounds good man thanks.

>>147491042
なるほど

>>147490844
So it would also be completely fine to say something like "日本語を習いますことが出来ません"
Sounds a bit awkward to me desu

>Idiot
Why do you have to be such an asshole?

>>147491261
yea ますこと is perfectly fine

>>147491080
>'ing
That's not what continuative form means

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Show me your leeches, djt.

>>147490512
>暇で暇で
文法的な説明は出来ません
I can't tell you grammar point.
これは特別な言い方です。同じような使い方をする言葉を思いつきません。
It's an especial idiom. I can't remember similar words.
とても暇だ！という意味です。
It mean is "I have so far time."
日常でも使うことがあるので全文ankiしてください。

>>147491356

What is this?

>>147491356
My leach setting is set to like 999 so I don't get any

Sucks because I'd like to see which ones they would be

>>147491356
What is a leech?

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>>147491356
Doesn't happen thanks to mnemonics.

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>>147491397
Leeches, man

>>147491442
I set them to tag only, so I get the badge of shame but they don't get suspended.
You still can order your cards by lapse count to see your most failed cards.

>>147491456
http://ankisrs.net/docs/manual.html#leeches

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>>147491356
>leeches
何それ？おいしいの？

>>147491516
Sweet 6k, man, but your mnemonics won't save you out in the real world.

Just started today with Anki. Thanks to the anons who created the guide.

>>147491572
I'll hit 10K in a few days.

>>147491610
がんばって

>>147491625
How long have you been doing anki?

>>147491610
Remember, NEVER skip even a single day.

>>147491667
335 days.

>>147491625
Give me your mnemonic for がめつい, then.

>>147491700
ご愁傷様です

>>147487867
your face will never look like that

>>147491709
eyes in the tree see all

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>>147491682

I.. I'll do it.

>>147491356
I have almost 300 leeches. 超恥ずかしい

>神のみぞ知る
I looked up みぞ but didn't find anything that would make that sentence mean what it means

>>147491776
神のみ　ぞ　知る

>>147491812
What does the ぞ do there?

>>147491776
pretty sure it's 神 + のみ (only) + ぞ (?) + 知る

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>>147491746
I see, brother.
The time is near.

>>147491776
味噌汁だろｗ

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>>147491682
Skipping days is absolutely fine. Sometimes you need a vacation.

>>147491831
>神のみ知るセカイ
The world god only knows
>神のみぞ知るセカイ
The world God only knows

>>147491831
The same as ぞい

>>147491865
more like
>神のみ知るセカイ
The world only god knows
>神のみぞ知るセカイ
The world God only knows

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>>147491853

>>147491709
In the GAME of cocks, TSUIdish people are very greedy

>>147491938
Are you the guy who made Kanjidamage?

>>147491516
You mean it doesn't happen because you've only learned common words that are reinforced through reading/anime

>>147491767
Show the top ones.

>>147492033
If that was the case no one else who read would have leeches either. It's mainly due to mnemonics.

>>147492218
How much time do you spend on Anki a day? If you're coming up with mnemonics for every new word, surely it takes you forever

>>147491853
カカ

Okay, fuck this shit, I'm done with core9k. I'm not learning anything this way.

Minefags, how do I mine? Do I just go "俺 -> おれ -> I/me" and just call it a day? Originally I wanted to put there a whole sentence with the encountered word, but when I'm thinking about how it would look like (rewriting everything I read, ten minutes for one page, and doing reps after all of this shit) I don't believe I'm gonna learn Japanese, because I'm gonna kill myself first.

So, any advice?

>>147492489
If you're in America a gun's probably your best bet

>>147492489
>can't even make it through core
>time to mine guys!

>>147492546
After you get past like 2k core cards mining's easier than core

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>>147492489
Set up rikai realtime import

>>147492604
Really? It's the opposite for me. The only reason I'm still doing Core after over 3000 cards is because it's all but trivial. 90% of "new" words can be deduced from the kanji (which I already know because I learned them from the first 2000 words). Meanwhile I get 70-80% retention on my mining deck.

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>>147492489
Ideally you'll want your cards looking something like this.
Always put an image to remind you of where you encountered the word.

>他の男に僕の中出しされる愛する妻は一番好きだ！
Damn. I used up all my knowledge to phrase this thing. How cool is it? I hope there's no grammar mistakes in there

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wtf i hate japanese now

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>>147492759
2/2

Instead of doing a lot of work searching for sentences just put some buttons on your card layout that link to several example sites.

>>147492812
亖

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>>147492759
>>147492831
Thanks, mate.

>>147492759
Finding 10000+ images for every fucking thing sounds like a major pain in the ass that would take too much time from your reading.

>>147492831
>doing a lot of work searching for sentences
Or just save the fucking sentence you found the word in instead of making buttons you're never ever going to click.

>>147493052
Someone's a grumpy pants

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>>147493052
>Finding 10000+ images
Or you know, just using the one where you found the word at, like I said?

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>>147492940
DELETE THIS

Does this get easier, mentally? I'm like a week into learning, and everything is so new and overwhelming. After 2 hours of continuous study I feel mentally exhausted.I figure once I get to the point where I can sort of read, it will be easier because it wont be such dry textbook shit constantly.

>>147493692
Well, it kind of does

But because you always have to read stuff above your level to improve, no matter how far you get you're always going to be getting that mental exhaustion

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>>147488051

>>147493287
I tried to put a screenshot of whatever I was reading into cards back when I started,
dropped after realizing it took me like 15 minutes to make 30 cards and they all had the same VN screenshot attached.

>>147493096
I just think anything but one button press to create a card is too much if you need to mine thousands of words, and thankfully it's already possible.

>>147493883
I just draw a rectangle on my screen and press ctrl+v, if it took effort I wouldn't do it.

I think windows has something called snipping tool that might be similar to what I use.

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>>147492940

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This shit's hitting way too close to home

Some free reading practice I guess, not that I ever read any of the huge walls of text people post in here

ちょいとお兄さん、よっていかない？

is knowing all the on and kun readings necessary for the n4?

I'll ask again, what are the funny 2ch boards?

>>147495150
>studying readings individually

>>147495150
>N4
Honestly, why bother?

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Someone has the Sou Matome N1 Dokkai in English/Jap?
Can you please scan or make a photo of the first page of the Week 6 Day 1 lesson? Or all the 4 pages if you can. I'm having troubles with the long articles so that would be very helpful, thanks.

>>147496058
At first I went "fuck this N1 shit looks really hard"
Then I realized it's in chink.

開始からずっと尾けてる

I'm confused, does 尾けてる mean he's stalking or being stalked? Context seems to suggest he's being stalked, but why isn't it 尾けられる?

>>147492812
Why doesn't that picture have 陸 漆 捌 玖?

>>147496827
He has been stalking me vs. I was being stalked.

Jesus talking to random japs is just too stressful

How long before there's a Japanese AI with perfect intelligence that I can practice on instead

rosettastone

>>147497190
I tried it, all I remember is learning 飛行機 really really early on. It was shit.

>>147497062
How would he say it if he were the one doing the stalking?

>>147497237
What about for learning just conversational Japanese?
I think it's easier to have something responsive, rather than just doing Anki laps.
In addition to Anki, obviously.

>>147497172
It would be faster if you didn't think of them as real people. You know, like how you talk to anons.

>>147497430
Think the problem's more that I can't think of them as real people, all the one's I'm talking to are ultra normies, 別の人種そうでしょう

>>147497421
I think anki is just as responsive as rosetta stone, but instead of having 4 answers to choose from you have none.

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Why is this thread called the Daily Japanese Thread if we have more than 1 a day?

>>147497729
Because you touch yourself at night.

>>147497729
In the word scent, is the s or the c silent?

>>147497729
It's daily but that doesn't mean there has to only be one every 24 hours.

>>147497729
it's daily because we come here every day

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Dear Daily Diary Thread,

Today I finished reading 聲の形, it was good.
I listened to this mild 右翼 faggot as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6uK9KBDMtQ
And I understood 100% of it, feels good

>>147497894
in my dialect sc indicates a syllabic consonant

>>147495521
pls respond

What's the best kind of passive listening practice for absolute beginners?

I have headphones at work but can't concentrate on listening because I have to work

>>147495521
News, the banter can be strong. But that's not for everyone

>>147498665
You already got an answer, there are none

>>147498695
ASMR

>>147498665
none of them are funny, it's pure cancer.

>>147498665
/r/funny

>>147498695
Japanese ASMR

As a wise man once said
"Having lolis lick your ears is the best way to learn japanese"

Although you would probably end up falling asleep and getting fired

>>147498695
There's no passive listening practice.

>>147498816
yeah i want pure cancer, thats why i post here and browse 4chan.

N5 pop quiz, round 4
夜型の生活を何とかしたいと思う。
The subject wants a:
a) nocturnal lifestyle
b) diurnal lifestyle

Today I did Anki for 36 minutes and then I read a visual novel for 2 hours and 15 minutes.

>>147499060
now drop anki and you have your self a wonderful and fun learning envoriment

>>147499010
Neither, they just want to have a go at it.

Is learning the radicals worth my time in the long-run?

>>147499253
its pretty fast and could help you out several times so why not

>>147497172
You'll get over it. Just imagine all the qt nip girls who'd love to talk to you just because you are a gaijin and know english.

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kanji check

飛鳥馬北中学校

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>>147499310
>Just imagine all the 3DPD

止めとくかぁ

How much do you read a day?

50kb here

How many words should one know before attempting to read SoL/drama LNs?

>>147499588
Enough of the right ones.

>>147499588
zero if you want to learn Japanese
40k if you want to read for pleasure

>>147499010

couldn't read 夜型 so I guess I need to grind more anki vocab

>>147499673
The word is very infrequently used. Don't worry.

>>147499624
That much I know, but just how many? 6k, 10k, 20k?

>>147499658
T-thanks for reminding me of how many words for near complete fluency.

Why aren't you faggots translating anything?

>>147499744
Doesn't help me with my studies, takes a lot of time and no one is willing to pay for it.

>>147499744
Why would I translate anything when those faggots can just learn Japanese instead?

>>147499744
I try to but it's pretty not worth, would rather spend the time studying

Would be more willing if it didn't involve editing too

>>147499010
The answer is (b)
>I want to do something about my nocturnal lifestyle.
なんとかする = do something about it

>>147499744
I wanted to do some random oneshots just for "fun" but I'm fairly certain neither my Japanese nor my English are good enough.

>>147499744
Some company put up instead of a regular job advertisement, an advertisement with a task. Going to be busy with that for a week.

also why translate if you can just read and understand the meaning if you won't get anything of monetary value back

>>147499744
I once translated a small non-h doujin for a series I liked and thank fuck I did it anonymously, now that I look at it the translation is fucking terrible.

What's N1 like?

>>147500057
It's a horrible place where only the few elite survive

>>147500043
>thank fuck

>>147499744
It would take me a lot of time. From time to time I give plot summary in anime livestream threads if the episode is interesting but that's about it.

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>>147500253
Is there a problem?

>>147500057
If you can read a novel/essay with decent speed and good understanding, you can pass it.

That's about it

>>147498695
I'm sure there's loads of uncute girls talking about useless shit if you look around.

E.g., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt7CO7uPFmA

Although this one might be a little too fast for an "absolute beginner".

>>147498695
There are some VN and anime drama cds on youtube. They're a good listen for beginners if you know the source material.

>>147499470
Hundreds of megabytes
I read LN scans

If I'm N3, how long would it take to get to N2? I practice with my Japanese wife every day and practice kanji every day, but I still read really slowly.

>>147490929
>>147491058
I thought fuck it and wanted to buy it, but it seems like the Japanese PS store will neither accept my credit card nor my paypal account, even though it works fine if I try to log in on PC.

>>147498695
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNEu6U-9_jjSowsR9sBwQ3Q

Don't know if you're into lp's, but I've been watching this guy a bunch lately, some of the games he plays are fairly text heavy, but he also plays stuff like Pokemon Snap where his commentary is a lot easier to follow along.

He recently uploaded a bunch of Mega Man videos that are all around 3 hours each.

I recommend his マッドファーザー playthrough.

>>147501338
The only way to get your dirty gaijin money on nip PSN account is to buy gift card codes.

>>147501335
Is she a qt?

>>147501335
To read fast you need to read more.
"Practicing" kanji and whatever you're doing with you're wife isn't going to help that.
Pick a book and read.

>>147501335
日本人の女は本当にダメ、おかしくなちゃう！とかを言うんでしょうか？

>>147501453
>このPayPalアカウントを追加できません。 しばらくしてからもう一度お試しください。
Damn, seems like it. I tried doing it on their website as well.
Well, fuck this then, if they don't want my money it's fine by me.

>>147501548
もう２年間結婚してるので今までは問題は一つも無かった。

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What are the top two characters here?
Pretty sure the rest is くすぐったい, but I can't figure out what those two are.

>>147501764
違うw　その意味じゃなくて
セックスしてるときに何を言ってるんですか
あああぁぁぁあああ気持ちいいイィぃとか
だめだめやめてぇぇ！！とか

>>147501938
ひげ

>>147501938
ひげ　you blind nigger.

>>147502175
>>147502173
Thanks guys, I don't read handwriting much.

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>>147502022
>あああぁぁぁあああ気持ちいいイィぃとか
>だめだめやめてぇぇ！！とか

>>147502449
We forgive you bro

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>>147487580
Japan's population is plummeting because the guys there are too beta to do anything.
Do you have what it takes to move to Japan, impregnate all the girls there and save Japan? Well, do you?

Put your Japanese to good use. I believe in you.
Only YOU can save Japan!

>>147502978
>Do you have what it takes to move to Japan, impregnate all the girls there and save Japan? Well, do you?
no because im lazy and just as beta

>>147502978
No because I'm unemployed and am unemployable.

>>147502978
>The population of this ridiculously overcrowded country is plummeting

Oh noooo

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>tfw finished reading my first untranslated VN today
It took forever to read and it was just some nukige I already had downloaded, but it's something I'm proud of. I think I learned a lot from reading it.

I hope I can try reading a VN like Subahibi or Muramasa someday with ease.

Sorry for the blog.

>>147503139
Which VN was it and how long did it take you

>>147502978
>¥10.18 has been deposited into your account

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>>147502978
>implying they're not overpopulated as it is
>implying lowering the population in any 1st world country is bad
>implying Abe wants filthy gaijin fucking nip qties

>>147503209
https://vndb.org/v11916
took me about a month by reading bits of it every day

>>147503312
Nice
The length is always what puts me off reading VNs
Kind of ridiculous how long they are even when you know the language let alone when you're using it to study with

>>147502978
I would. I'd totally do it.

>>147502978
Actually their brithrate has been increasing recently.

>>147503130
It's only overcrowded in Tokyo and some regional centers.
But yeah, the population problem is vastly overstated by the populist politicians and internet memesters.

I'm using that Kana Teacher thing to test Kana knowledge. Only a few days in and have Hiragana memorized enough to read the sounds, if not write well. Should I first learn the additional sounds you make with the tick marks, and how you can combine sounds to make new sounds, like ka and i becoming kai like in English, or should I learn Katakana first and then learn the additional sounds and combinations for both Hiragana and Katakana at the same time? Will it make a difference?

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damm japan really has pedo heaven

>>147503139
Me too actually, but I haven't unlocked the final scene where the mom watches you fuck her daughter.

it's this: https://vndb.org/v16580

>>147503650
>mom watches you fuck her daughter.
Why doesn't she join the fun?

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How would you rate the difficulty of reading Umineko/Higurashi untranslated? I heard the vocabulary in Umineko is actually not too bad.

Does anyone here know from experience?

>>147503838
Vocabulary doesn't matter if you hook it.
Umineko can be hard to follow because of mental gymnastics and shit, Higurashi is retard tier.

>>147503553
Do whatever is more fun for you at the moment, bro.

>>147503838
Oh, and one of the big puzzles of the game uses kanji play and expects you to know Taiwanese geography so don't ever hope to solve it by yourself.

>>147502978
I would love to actually, but I think I've been enough of a disappointment to my parents already that I can't just abandon them.

>>147504487
I think a son traveling into foreign land to impregnate women would be far less disappointing that one that stays home.

>>147504699
This. It's kind of a family tradition in mine.

>>147504699
If I came back though. If I just stayed in Japan they'd probably be like
>well fuck we took care of him then he grew up and ran off to anime land, can't even take care of us in our old age, what a waste of space

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>>147504962
>anime land
Most normies view Japan as this advanced place with supertoilets and beautiful nature.
Hell, I bet they'd even be proud of you.

>>147503553
>how you can combine sounds to make new sounds, like ka and i becoming kai like in English

These are mostly obvious and you'll learn them just by listening to the Core audio.

>>147505165
>Most normies view Japan as this advanced place with supertoilets and beautiful nature.

more like weirdos with ぬるぬる触手責め

調子はどうだビッチども

うんこ食べたことある

あるよね

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPYMNFigzS4

>>147505750
Don't forget the セックスロボット.

>>147506239
なにそれフェアリーのこと？

>>147503838
>>147504001
Speaking of Higurashi, is there a script anywhere? I'd like to play it on my Vita, which is obviously unhookable.

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nihongo noob test in image for those with enough balls to accept (its from p5)

good luck weebs

>>147506860
出来ない

>>147506860
3 but I know it because I'm playing it right now.

>>147506651
What's the point of playing it on vita if you still have to be glued to your PC with the script open?

>>147507002
thats the answer to what directly follows why are you fucking it up for me god dang it boy

>>147492759
Holy fuck this was the exact same episode I mined 逆上がり from.

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noob test part 2 only apply if you successfully challenged part 1

>>147507191
Oh well, Morgana spoonfeeds the answer to you anyway so whatever.

>>147507102
Because iirc the Vita/PS3 version is the most complete. Also, I would only refer to the script when needed, which hopefully wouldn't be all that often.

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Post hanzi grids

>>147507419
>highest scoring kanji is 僕
wew lad

>>147499744
I translated two H-manga. Might do a couple more next holiday period, typesetting is a painful process for a beginner.

>>147507347
If it's not going to be often you might as well use a normal dictionary.
The original is written in Nscripter or something so you could probably google a tool to unpack the script fairly easily.

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おはようおにいちゃん

おはなししよ

さっきなに召し上がったの？

>>147507644
>午前十時四十分
>おはよう
寝坊よね

>>147507644
昼ご飯でサブウェイのサンドウィッチ
美味かったぞ

>>147507556
I guess you're right, Rikai would be nice because it can parse verb conjugations and such, but a regular dictionary will probably do.

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>>147507750
ねるのは健康にいいよ

>>147507859
さぶうぇいって地下鉄？

お店の名前なのかな？

>>147507644
夕食はビーフパルミジャナだった
ちょう素晴らしいだからお代わりが欲しかった

>>147507958
>ねるのは健康にいいよ
その通りなｗ
からかっただけ

How did you guys go about reading in jap for the first time?

Did you take notes as you read and checked your translation? Just try to glean via context/manga panels?

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>>147485348
You're most likely right. I'll try to push myself more.

Additionally, what is everyone's daily schedule?

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>>147508055
おなかぽっこり？

おいしそう、あたしもたべてみたいな

>>147508365
I didn't overthink shit and just read.

>>147508365
It was Yotsubato, and I had done learned about 1000 words from Core2k and finished Tae Kim. I just read it normally, referring to the reading guide whenever I didn't understand a word or grammar usage. Whatever you do, though, I would strongly advise against translating as you read.

>>147508555
>Advise against translating

Why? How else am I supposed to understand?

>>147508474
>what is everyone's daily schedule?

>do reps
>play deresute
>read
>try to not shitpost on djt
>shitpost a lot

>>147508634
>deresute
>Gatcha
>EVER

>>147508592
You have to understand to translate, not the other way around. Translating is superfluous step of rewording whatever information you got from a phrase to work in another language and all it does is take time you could use reading.

>>147508800
I dunno. In my head I usually look at isolated parts of a sentence and go "okay, what do these words mean?" Then, I peice it together based on the words. Not like english where I don't think about the definitions per se.

>>147508680
Gatcha is only a problem if you're one of those guys who absolutely needs a shiny SSR of their waifu.
I just get by using whatever SRs Chihiro gives me for effort bux and as event rewards and didn't spend a cent.
All the content that matters, i.e. songs and commus, you get for free.

>>147508592
Translating is entirely separate from parsing and comprehending Japanese, instead of viewing Japanese words as their English equivalents you should treat it like an entirely distinct language (which it obviously is). Furthermore, Japanese is so dissimilar to most Western languages that accurate translations for anything but very basic language are virtually unfeasible. Translating as you read might work if your mother tongue is something supposedly similar to Japanese, like Korean, but that's probably not the case, and if you make the mistake of falling into that habit, you will quickly find yourself overwhelmed as you progress to intermediate reading material.

>>147509072
Well then how do I stop translating in my head?

>>147508592
You just feel it and understand it as it is without turning it into English in your head.

Do you automatically translate いただきます to "I shall accept this food" every time you see it?

>>147509125
>Do you automatically translate いただきます to "I shall accept this food" every time you see it?
I read it as "rub a dub dub thanks for the grub", actually

>>147509125
No, because it's more a colloquialism. More just a "Let's eat" in my eat.

>>147509115
I really don't know what to tell you, how can you translate in your head in the first place when so many elementary Japanese words and grammar points have no English equivalent?

>>147509115
Not that guy, but in my experience you don't need to try, it will happen automatically as you read more. There's plenty of occasions where translating in your head can help you work out the meaning of a sentence above your level.

>>147508365
I read Yotsuba and pretended to understand it but really didn't. Good thing there are pictures to tell the story.

>>147509256
Particles for example, I just make the context.

私はX "About X...", "On the topic of X"... or just start the sentence in my head with "X", whatever works best.

>>147509301
See, that's what I don't want to happen. I want to be able to udnerstand, not just get by based on pictures.

>>147509256
The same way you can translate outside your head. Anything you can express in Japanese can be expressed in English.

>>147509267
Alright. I'm just kind of thrown for a loop because I thought it was super common. How else would you understand something if you don't "think" in that language?

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風邪を引いて勉強する事はおろか、吐く事さえできないってばっ！ハックションっ！

>>147509115
Listen more, and then read more.

By listening a lot you get a better "feel" for how sentences are put together with the right pauses and intonation that comes with certain patterns. You start to emulate those yourself in your mind as you read once you've heard them enough times.

At least that was my experience. My grammar comprehension improved a lot after I started (actively) listening, which helped me break free from that state where you try to break a sentence into chunks of grammar and trying to translate them to English before putting it back together.

>>147509538
What would you advise for active listening? Just anime RAWs? Subtitled with Japanese? Any podcasts in particular or?

>>147509353
>I want to be able to udnerstand
And eventually you will, as long as you start. A common beginner mistake is to stay within the comfort of their beginner learner materials and never actually reading real things.

The beginning is really hard and you will have to skip over lot. Your first thing or two should be some "disposable" material that you don't care about misunderstanding or getting frustrated with.

>>147509588
Even English subbed anime is fine for listening practice, as long as you are actually listening

>>147509588
Subtitled with Japanese, but pick really easy titles (e.g. Sakura Kiss, GochiUsa) and try not to look at the subs unless you can't understand a sentence on the first try.

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>>147509115
You reduce things to their idea instead of being tied to the nomenclature.
A small step towards this is like this:
Just as you see "horse" and think of pic related (and vice versa), you should see "馬" and do the same. The terms are the vehicles through which in this case the image is caused to be inside your mind. Even the picture itself is just another symbol that represents the same general idea as "horse" and "馬", but it is still categorically different and can be used as a convenient proxy.

>>147509588
I used this: https://www.erin.ne.jp/en/

>>147509353
From my experience, you'll start by understandign things as a "blur". You won't get much nuance, you'll be able to understand what's happening and get what's superficial. As time goes on the blur starts to turn more solid and that's when you'll start actually "getting" the language. But don't rush the process nor try to do it any other way, or else you'll actually be causing more trouble instead of helping yourself.

>>147509353
Instead of translating, you should learn the meaning/relation implied by these particles. For example, instead of thinking of は as "speaking of X", you should think of it as something that indicates the topic of a sentence. The "translations" ("about X", "as for X", etc.) are only meant to illustrate its meaning and usage, and not serve as actual translations (not to mention that they obviously sound unnatural). The same for words: don't think of 亀 as the English word "turtle", but as the animal turtle.
>>147509383
Not true. Language is a social construct meant to translate individual thought into an intelligible format for speakers of the same language. Every language is therefore inherently flawed, but not in the same manner; each one has a different set of limitations, and thus it's not always the case that two languages are mutually translatable. Spanish and Portuguese, for instance, certainly are, but Japanese and English are not.

>>147509719
>subbed with Japanese

The problem is, a new learner can't tell when the subs are desynced most of the time, and good luck finding a series torrent with native subs.

>>147509838
>a new learner can't tell when the subs are desynced
You have to be retarded to not notice it

>>147509976
A new learner probably has a hard time distinguishing sounds, not to mention a limited kanji library, so it's not suprising.

>>147509838
>a new learner can't tell when the subs are desynced most of the time
It's easy to find some stock Japanese cliche phrase in the episode like あの..., お兄ちゃんのバカ, てめえ, まさか, etc and figure out how to time it from there.

bros how do I get over fuckin flight anxiety?

>>147509799
>The "translations" ("about X", "as for X", etc.) are only meant to illustrate its meaning and usage, and not serve as actual translations (not to mention that they obviously sound unnatural). The same for words: don't think of 亀 as the English word "turtle", but as the animal turtle.

Or you can just read more and the problem will solve itself with no effort.

>>147510061
You stop blogging.

>>147510061
You don't. There could be a bomber on board.

>>147510070
What I described was already effortless to me in the first place. If anything, translating as you read is unnecessary and pointless effort, and the problem itself.

>>147510165
If you read a sentence and don't immediately understand the meaning, but are able to deduce it by translating it in your head, the effort was not pointless.

>>147509719
>Sakura Kiss
Do you mean Sakura Trick?
https://myanimelist.net/anime/20047/Sakura_Trick

>>147510297
You're right, I always mistake the title thanks to that amazing OP song.

>>147510165
What do you mean by translating? If I read "思う" and autmoatically think to myself "think" is that something I should avoid?

>>147510226
Maybe this is because Japanese is my fourth (well, third-and-a-half, or third-and-a-quarter) language, but I legitimately don't understand how this is possible, or if we're even talking about the same thing. When I translate things in my head, it's just individual words or grammar constructs, and not entire sentences, and it's always spontaneous and unnoticeable. How can you not understand a whole sentence at first, but be able to deduce its meaning by translating it? If you can translate it at all, then surely you must at least partially comprehend it, no?

if i have trouble thinking about what i want to say on lang-8, is it better to write something out in english then try to say the gist of that in jap? or is that a bad habit

>>147510441
I don't know how to explain it. I don't think of any English word, just what the Japanese word means.

>>147510548
Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.
The man whistling tunes pianos

By examining the words and their grammatical function, you can deduce the meaning of sentences you don't immediately understand.

>>147510626
Again, I'm not sure what your point is. I see what you're getting at with these sentences, but how does any of this involve translation?

>>147510623
Unless you learned by immersion, you certainly did translate 思う to "think" the first few times. That stops after you read it a few times in context.

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There's a "Japanese Language and Culture Center" a few blocks away from my house. It's in a nondescript building lacking any obvious signage. The only indicator that the "Japanese Language and Culture Center" resides there is a tiny Japanese flag in the window. There's no website, so I'm not really sure what its function is, but I will find out tomorrow morning.

I like to imagine it's run by a FOB Japanese family who are awkwardly trying to make a living teaching Americans about their homeland. We'll establish a mutually beneficial relationship where I help naturalize them into American society and they supplement my Japanese studies.

>>147510765
It's very likely a japanese community centre. Basically a place for jap only speaking people to hang out and meet other jap only speaking people.

>>147510765
>I help naturalize them into American society
please dont shoot anybody

>he still subvocalizes

>>147510727
What do you mean by immersion? When I first learned the word 思う, I learned it as the Japanese equivalent to the English verb "to think". That's it. After that, I internalized it not as the Japanese equivalent to an English word, but as an abstract concept. I really don't know how to put it into words (because, again, language is imperfect), sorry if this comes across as overly cryptic.

>>147510701
The understanding of a sentence can sometimes only become clear when you think about it for awhile.

In English (or whatever your native tongue is), we know, generally, the speech patterns and how a sentence is normally laid out. Even slang that breaks grammar rules usually breaks it in a consistent way.

If you don't know these rules or shapes, sometimes you need to really think about the sentence, and mull over the possibilities of combining those words. Esp if you don't have a solid theory of english grammar (ex, you don't know what a direct object is, so wtf does wo do?)

>>147510830
>not handing them a hand gun and telling them not to come back until they capped a niggah
>not giving them a tear drop tat under their eye when they do.

>>147510765
The old couple have their anime daughter teach you japanese and you fall in love.
>>147510828
Probably this. I imagine old men smoking playing go or reading newspapers.

How many words should I get through in core before I start a mining deck? I've been reading for a while and I already have a huge list of words, but not sure if I should start a deck. I'm only 500 words in core.

>>147511140
Start one as soon as you want to. You can always delete cards from your deck if they are covered in the core deck. Sooner better than later because eventually your mining deck will replace the core deck as your source of study.

>>147510917
I agree, but that brings me back to my initial point: Japanese and English sentence structures have very little to do with each other. To me, what you're talking about is an entirely different matter from translation. The ambiguities in the two sentences you posted stem from points that are particular to the English language, namely, fly (verb) vs fly (noun) and whistle (transitive) vs whistle (intransitive). An initially confused native Japanese speaker could clear that up by translating them into Japanese, but to do that, he would have to be aware of these things in the first place.

>>147510765
Gee I wonder why they don't advertise their establishment.

>>147510626
>fruit flies like a banana
Fuck, English is my first language and this still tripped me up.

>>147510765
I have a Japanese language center in my city, they run JLPT related shit and mahjong tournaments.
Most days it's just a library with nip books, though.

>>147511380
I don't think it's different at all. Translating the sentence directly in your head, lit word for word or as close as possible in Japanese, usually helps remove ambiguities for new learners, because they see all the pieces laid out.

値段が高いレストランはあまり好きじゃない。

Price (identify) high/tall resturant (this is the subject), not very, didn't like

Even if you have no grammar knowledge in japanese, having these words literally translated, you can sort of see what it means.

>>147511473
Oh there's tonnes of sentences like these.

The cotton clothing is usually made of grows in Mississippi.
Until the police arrest the drug dealers control the street.
The man who hunts ducks out on weekends.
The horse raced past the barn fell.

I fucking daisuki sensei Tim Cook and his Irasshai series. They're so comfy. The cheesy skits at the start always make me smile at the very least, if not laugh out loud. Plus it's got the same four students and you learn at about the same pace as them.

Probably no good for most of you here since lots of you are intermediate but I started with him basically in my first week. Perhaps it's not the most effective class either but I use it as supplemental teaching.

ABSOLUTE COMFY
arigatou for reading my blog post