https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACq 7tgjHdGA >The Fall o

>>147295904
>>147295904
It was taken down because a bunch of people complained about how inaccurate it was. TV Tokyo also took it down due to using footage that wasn't permitted.

A good example of this was how it used the rankings of it's main argument. However, in 2007, Oda revealed in an SBS that the ranking system is not based on quality but rather what the Editor In Chief likes and dislikes.

There is no popularity, quality or sales involved with the rankings of WSJ. It's all about editors and what they think of the manga. Fan input is put to a bare minimum when it comes to this.

>>147296554
>Oda revealed in an SBS that the ranking system is not based on quality but rather what the Editor In Chief likes and dislikes.

This seems incredibly unlikely to me. Or at the very least, the EiC's rankings must be based heavily, if not entirely on popularity. There's no way in hell they would downvote popular titles.

>>147296703
It is absolutely true:

http://comipress.com/news/2007/09/05/2600.html

>Jump does not order the manga based on popularity from the week before. It's true that popular series are in front, but the actual order is decided from week to week by the editor-in-chief.

>Basically, it may show the postcards do affect ranks, but it's mostly up to the editor himself.

>>147296883
Basically there isn't a direct one-to-one correlation between weekly postcard results and Jump rankings, but that in a broader sense the popular titles are in the front, while the less popular ones are put in the back.

I don't get why /a/ treats this like some kind of smoking gun when the statement "fan input determines Jump's rankings" is still essentially correct.

>>147297387
But it's not accurate. The grand majority of the control goes to the Editor In Chief. If your say is so minimal despite liking something, then the Editor in Chief could easily make it go up because he likes it, or go down because he hates it.

This is why manga like Bleach and Gintama always find themselves so low despite doing well. The editors mess with them.

This is why Naruto clones like MHA and Black Clover get on top despite them not being deserving of the top ranking spot. Because the Editor In Chief liked them.

>>147297503
>This is why manga like Bleach and Gintama always find themselves so low despite doing well.

Oh yeah, I'm sure the reason Bleach's anime got shit-canned, while Naruto is getting a shit-tillion spinoffs is entirely due to the Editor-in-Chief playing favorites.

Get real, man.

>>147297688
Bleach's anime got cancelled because it was getting too close to the Final Arc and the anime was getting plagued with Fillers since Post Grimmjow. They didn't want another repeat of the FKT anime portion where there was a filler arc every other season and annoy the viewers.

Naruto gets a shit ton of spinoffs because it's a cash cow. The Editor does play favorites BECAUSE Naruto makes more money and he likes the manga much more than Bleach.

>>147297688
You do realize that Bleach at it's lowest was selling 2.8-3millions right?

It's fucking stupid to say that a series like that would rank lower than others that don't even approach those sales.

I like Hinomaru Zumou but are you seriously telling me that a series that sells 30k ranks on average 6th? And by the way, are you seriously selling me that JUMP let's a series that sells 30k stay on the magazine without the editor or someone up there liking it?

It's extremely stupid that something like Gintama or Bleach rank so low with those sales, it's either because the editor doesn't like them or because he feels like it doesn't affect them, but still it shows that the ranking is pointless, just like Oda said(I think Ashihara said the same too).

>>147297819
>Bleach's anime got cancelled because it was getting too close to the Final Arc and the anime was getting plagued with Fillers since Post Grimmjow.
How can you Bleachfags say this fucking horseshit when Pierrot has plagued Naruto with fillers despite the fact that it eneded 2 fucking years ago?

2008

The following chart covers sales from December 24, 2007 to November 16, 2008.

Bleach takes 5th place by selling 3,161,825 copies.

vol #32; 519,631 (? sales started being reported around this time, incomplete data for vol 32)
vol #33; 802,692
vol #34; 874,153
vol #35; 761,802

Backlog Sales; 203,547 (incomplete data)

2009

The following chart covers sales from November 17, 2008 to November 22, 2009.

Bleach takes 2nd place by selling 6,471,021 copies.

vol.36; 955,085
vol.37; 944,066
vol.38; 888,622
vol.39; 841,028
vol.40; 850,059
vol 41; 738,404

Backlog Sales; 1,253,757

2010

The following chart covers sales from November 23, 2009 to November 21, 2010:

Bleach takes 5th place by selling 5,204,193 copies.

#42; 822,401
#43; 760,433
#44; 780,241
#45; 769,697
#46; 769,271
#47; 690,119

Backlog Sales; 612,031

2011

This list covers sales surveyed from Nov 22nd 2010 - Nov 20th 2011.

Bleach takes 8th place by selling 4,187,258 copies.

vol.48; 845,791
vol.49; 714,990
vol.50; 682,527
vol.51; 630,847
vol.52; 574,504

Backlog Sales; 738,599


vol 48; 690,064
vol 49; 614,822
vol 50; 567,586
vol 51; 544,741
vol 52; 486,948


2012

This list covers sales surveyed from November 21, 2011 to November 18, 2012.

Bleach takes 12th place by selling 2,974,750 copies.

#53; 640,938
#54; 653,085
#55; 742,823
#56; 600,915

Backlog sales; 336,989


Last seen ranking.
#53; 491,289
#54; 528,786
#55; 604,962
#56; 553,110

>>147299095

2013

This list covers sales surveyed from November 19, 2012 to November 17, 2013.

Bleach takes 15th place by selling 2,752,588 copies.

#57; 660,646
#58; 639,122
#59; 627,996
#60; 581,422

Backlog Sales; 243,402


Last seen ranking.
#57; 527,593
#58; 535,500
#59; 529,014
#60; 493,138


2014

This list covers sales surveyed from November 18, 2013 to November 16, 2014.

Bleach takes 18th place by selling 2,986,968 copies.

Vol.61; 624,403
Vol.62; 603,344
Vol.63; 572,656
Vol.64; 532,356
Vol 65; 462,190

Backlog Sales; 192,019


Last seen ranking.
Vol.61; 505,811
Vol.62; 506,795
Vol.63; 487,858
Vol.64; 468,016
Vol 65; 402,025


2015

This list covers sales surveyed from November 17, 2014 - November 22, 2015.

Bleach takes 21th place by selling 2,818,926 copies.

Vol 66.　*,565,451
Vol 67.　*,533,992
Vol 68.　*,505,446
Vol 69.　*,488,271
Vol 70. did not appear on the main list (released close to the cutoff date)
But did appear in the later extended list *392,029

Backlog Sales; *,333,737


Last seen ranking.
Vol 66; 488,346
Vol.67; 459,695
vol.68; 436,835
vol.69; 408,468
vol.70; 416,583

France

Each volume around 50K in the first year

35 000 Bleach: Official Character Book SOULs

-----------------------------------
France TOTAL (no databook)
2,211,940


Assuming the first 16 volumes have sold atleast 50 000 by now
16 x 50 000 = 850,000

2,211,940 + 800,000 = 3,011,940 copies sold in France (not counting the back log sales)


In North America, the manga has sold more than 2.1 million copies across 36 volumes.

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>>147298683
There's something else at work there since it was apparently their highest rated anime. Pic related, Ben Dalton(TV Tokyo overseas department producer and attends prodution committee meetings).


Bleach Anime Sales:
Merchandise (charabiz 2010-2012):

Billion Yen/Million Dollars

2010: 19.4 / 162.7
2011: 16.1 / 135.1
2012: 15.3 /128.4

>http://dvdbd.wiki.fc2.com/wiki/Bleach

Sold more than yugoih even 1 year after the anime ended (it includes japan).
>http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2013/06/03-1/overseas-sales-help-maker-naruto-tv-tokyos-top-earner-for-2013


February 23, 2012
Topped the ratings on Cartoon Network’s Adult Swim, sold over 1.8 million DVDs and consistently ranked among Hulu’s most watched shows.
This success has further spawned an array of related video games (over 820,000 sold), apparel, action figures, trading cards and other merchandise.

TV rating and manga rankings, credit to whoever compiled them.
>http://www.bleachmyasylum.com/showthread.php?1702-Bleach-TV-Ratings-(Which-Episode-do-you-think-should-of-been-rated-higher-or-lower)
>http://www.bleachmyasylum.com/showthread.php?2201-WSJ-Bleach-Rankings

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>>147297503
You retards don't seem to get that while the Editor-in-Chief has control over how the rankings goes he can't put a bottom dweller at top of the list for promotion, at most he can take a series that's ranked 4th and put it ahead for promotion. Gintama has never done well in the rankings while Bleach at one point was in the top three and its drop in the rankings correlate to its drop in sales.

>>147297503
>This is why Naruto clones like MHA and Black Clover get on top despite them not being deserving of the top ranking spot. Because the Editor In Chief liked them.
BHA has never left the top 4 in the rankings since its debut and its sales has eclipsed in its late run, BC is still being pushed but it wasn't doing badly when it started. Face facts, people got sick of Bleach.

>>147299486
>Gintama has never done well in the rankings while Bleach at one point was in the top three and its drop in the rankings correlate to its drop in sales.
Except it doesn't

See >>147299095 2008: 3.1 million copies. That's around what it has been doing these years (2.8-3 millions) yet the rankings dropped, how does it sell the same as before but the rankings drop anyways? There's something there.
>Gintama has never done well in the rankings

It's also a known rumour that both Sorachi and Kubo are not well-liked among the people of JUMP, by the way, they're both friends.


Also see >>147298679

Now stop being retarded

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>ITT: Bleach Hater BTFO by plain numbers and Oda statements

>>147299483
>There's something else at work there since it was apparently their highest rated anime
Well that's bullshit because there's TV ratings readily available to show that it wasn't doing well and its anime sales had already dropped.

>>147299851
>Ignoring everything else in my post

>>147299694
>Except it doesn't
>>147299095
>vol.50; 682,527
>vol.51; 630,847
>vol.52; 574,504

Backlog Sales; 738,599


>vol 48; 690,064
>vol 49; 614,822
>vol 50; 567,586
>vol 51; 544,741
>vol 52; 486,948


>2012

>This list covers sales surveyed from November 21, 2011 to November 18, 2012.

>Bleach takes 12th place by selling 2,974,750 copies.

>#53; 640,938
>#54; 653,085
>#55; 742,823
#>56; 600,915

Look at your data before spouting shit. 2011 was the year Bleach dropped in sales and it was also the year it dropped in the rankings IT NEVER SOLD AS WELL AS IT DID YEARS PRIOR TO 2011, that was the year everything began to fall.

>It's also a known rumour that both Sorachi and Kubo are not well-liked among the people of JUMP, by the way, they're both friends.
Cool horseshit bro

>>147299898
2011

January 4th - Bleach 303 - 2.4
January 11th - Bleach 304 - 2.5
January 18th - Bleach 305 - 1.9
January 25th - Bleach 306 - 2.8
February 1st - Bleach 307 - 2.8
February 8th - Bleach 308 - 2.4
February 15th - Bleach 309 - 3.0
February 22nd - Bleach 310 - 2.6
March 1st - Bleach 311 - 2.1
March 8th - Bleach 312 - 2.5
March 15th - Bleach 313 - 3.8
March 22nd - Bleach 314 - 2.3
March 29th - Bleach 315 - 1.7
April 5th - Bleach 316 - 2.2
April 12th - Bleach 317 - 1.6
April 19th - Bleach 318 - 2.1
April 26th - Bleach 319 - 1.4
May 3rd - Bleach 320 - 1.9
May 10th - Bleach 321 - 2.7
May 17th - Bleach 322 - 1.7
May 24th - Bleach 323 - 0.9
May 31st - Bleach 324 - 1.6
June 7th - Bleach 325 - 1.8
June 14th - Bleach 326 - 1.3
June 21st - Bleach 327 - 1.0
June 28th - Bleach 328 - 1.3
July 5th - Bleach 329 - 1.6
July 12th - Bleach 330 - 1.7
July 19th - Bleach 331 - 1.9
July 26th - Bleach 332 - 1.9
August 2nd - Bleach 333 - 1.9
August 9th - Bleach 334 - 1.7
August 16th - Bleach 335 - 2.2
August 23rd - Bleach 336 - 1.8
August 30th - Bleach 337 - 1.7
September 6th - Bleach 338 - 1.9
September 13th - Bleach 339 - 1.6
September 20th - Bleach 340 - 2.5
September 27th - Bleach 341 - 1.5
October 4th - Bleach 342 - 1.6
October 11th - Bleach 343 - 2.1
October 18th - Bleach 344 - 1.5
October 25th - Bleach 345 - 2.1
November 1st - Bleach 346 - 1.5
November 8th - Bleach 347 - 1.5
November 15th - Bleach 348 - 1.7
November 22nd - Bleach 349 - 2.8
November 29th - Bleach 350 - 1.4
December 6th - Bleach 351 - 1.3
December 13th - Bleach 352 - 1.2
December 20th - Bleach 353 - 1.4
December 27th - Bleach 354 - 1.4


2012

January 10th - Bleach 355 - 1.3
January 17th - Bleach 356 - 1.4
January 24th - Bleach 357 - 1.6
January 31st - Bleach 358 - 1.6
February 7th - Bleach 359 - 1.4
February 14th - Bleach 360 - 1.6
February 21st - Bleach 361 - 1.6
February 28th - Bleach 362 - 2.2
March 6th - Bleach 363 - 1.5


And people are seriously wondering why Bleach got cancelled

>>147300046
>I'm fucking blind and retarded

The following chart covers sales from December 24, 2007 to November 16, 2008.

Bleach takes 5th place by selling 3,161,825 copies.

Bleach sales 2008: 3.1 million. Average ranking 3

Bleach sales 2012 onwards: 2.8-9 millions. Ranking drops

It dropped to around the same numbers it was doing in 2008 when it was selling 3 millions, but why did it rate 3rd back then and went to the lower half after that?

>>Jump does not order the manga based on popularity from the week before. It's true that popular series are in front, but the actual order is decided from week to week by the editor-in-chief.


>>Basically, it may show the postcards do affect ranks, but it's mostly up to the editor himself.

Again stop being retarded.

Bleach Anime Sales:
Merchandise (charabiz 2010-2012):

Billion Yen/Million Dollars

2010: 19.4 / 162.7
2011: 16.1 / 135.1
2012: 15.3 /128.4

>http://dvdbd.wiki.fc2.com/wiki/Bleach

Sold more than yugoih even 1 year after the anime ended (it includes japan).
>http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2013/06/03-1/overseas-sales-help-maker-naruto-tv-tokyos-top-earner-for-2013


February 23, 2012
Topped the ratings on Cartoon Network’s Adult Swim, sold over 1.8 million DVDs and consistently ranked among Hulu’s most watched shows.
This success has further spawned an array of related video games (over 820,000 sold), apparel, action figures, trading cards and other merchandise.

>sold over 1.8 million DVDs
Jesus that's insane money

https://www.viz.com/news/newsroom/1005119

I was checking and JUMP averages 2.1 million magazines sold a year.

Which means that if we we assume everyone that buys the magazine reads One Piece then OPfags buy literally 4 volumes each.

I guess it makes sense considering how the series either has a kiddy fanbase and then it jumps to the 30's which means manchilds buy a lot of copies of their nostalgia manga.

It also means that Naruto sells 2 volumes per person too, Bleach it's something like 1.2 or something so some people buy 1 and some buy 2.

>>147293204
Ichigo has been to his inner world tons of times to develop his character and grow as a character.
But where have we seen any evidence of character development? NOWHERE AT ALL. He still acts like a bitch the same way he used to in episode 1. Did Kubo intend this? Looking back I'm starting to understand why I never saw ichigo as a person, because he LITERALLY ISN'T. He's an empty shell for us to project into and the only things he really got from the inner world were powerups.

>>147300824
You do realize some people don't want to spend money on a magazine containing 20 series when they only care about 1 or 2 series, right? These are the people who don't buy JUMP but buy volumes.

>>147296554
>TV Tokyo also took it down due to using footage that wasn't permitted.
Not how the law works

>>147295904
>The Fall of Bleach

?, sure bleach wasn't as popular in the end as it was at it's peak but it's was still popular and Kubo was able to end it where he wanted, what fall?

>>147305186
>Kubo was able to end it where he wanted

Was he? I heard he got three chapters to wrap shit up.

>>147305304
no

>>147305343
Yes.

>>147305304
>I heard he got three chapters to wrap shit up.
Do people honestly believe this? Things at JUMP don't work that.