>watch kotonoha no niwa >its shit with good animation

Not all relationships work out.

Shinkai doesn't know how to write a relationship with closure because he's never been in one himself

>>147209945
I guess Shinkai was rejected his whole life and can only make the same thing over and over.

>>147209884
Why are you such a pleb?

Shinkai is a hack.

>>147209945
fpbp

NEETfags still don't understand this though.
It's okay to have a bittersweet ending.

Ow the edge. By the way, animation is at least as important as "muh plot".

Are you blind? All of Shinkai movies have had awful animation. Only Kimi no na Wa has been great in the animation department.

>>147210139
Not three times in a row.

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>>147209884
There was a payoff, but you seem to have wanted it to turn into a romance movie right when it's about to end. How about no?

>>147210404
how about you fuck off to mal faggot nigger

>>147209945
We don't know if their relationship 'worked out' or if there even was one. This open ended resolution is way more interesting than spelling out how it turned out.

>>147209884
Careful, at this moment you cannot talk shit about Shinkai since his latest flick is BTFOing latest KyoAni's film in terms of attracting the normalfags to the theaters, so /a/ is celebrating and has Shinkai as its God right now.

>there are people who are okay with this ending
>there are people who watch movies of this kind and don't want romance to happen

Why watch it in the first place then? Are you all cucks or what?

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The worst part is that this time they actually seem to end up together, we just don't get to see things like them running towards each other, hugging while falling on their knees, completely psychologically breaking and crying from joy, kissing, holding hands, get to know each other better, cute awkward dates, marrying, sex, getting kids, a scene with Yotsuha as a cool aunt, living happily ever after.

I know it's clichee and stuff, but there is literally not a single anime that shows all this stuff and it really pisses me off.

>>147210539
everyone knows a good story never concludes

Honestly, Shinkai is more concerned with conveying the poetry and details rather than with the overarching plot itself. I've only watched 5cm Per Second and Garden of Words, but his style is very slice-of-life with trying to convey the emotion associated with various common moments and struggles in our lives.

The point isn't that the main character finds love, or that whatever happens to him throughout the film is even important. The point is that we undergo these struggles, and that the nature of life is neutral, random, and sometimes sad.

IMO Shinkai doesn't even compare to many of Ghibli's works though

>>147210378
Why?

Is the whole bodyswap part at least interesting?

>>147210929
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=relationship anime

>>147211356
It's mildly amusing, but nothing special. I'm saying this as someone who likes the movie overall.

>>147210539
Kill yourself cuckposter

>>147210139
>It's okay to have a bittersweet ending.
Kimi no na wa did not have a bittersweet ending. Watch the movie you're shitposting about.

>>147211431
Well, there goes all of my interest.

>>147209884
>I did not like the ending so the movie is shit

It because of people like you that 99% american movies are copy-paste cancer

>>147210299
>Only Kimi no na wa
Pleb, go watch Garden of Words.

>>147211875
>implying the movies in the OP are not all literally copy-paste shit

I felt happy, yet hollow at the end of it. Mitsuha and Taki deserve a better end than what an emotionally-stunted troglodyte like Shinkai can muster.

>>147210503
The irony xD

I think I'm the only one here who has no problem with the couple not get together, my problem is the romanticized tone of Shinkai.

I find it all so, I dunno, pretentious.

>>147211220
>The point isn't that the main character finds love, or that whatever happens to him throughout the film is even important. The point is that we undergo these struggles, and that the nature of life is neutral, random, and sometimes sad.
ok, but how we follow these struggles if the characters are so flat? how will I care for what they supposedly feel, if they don't have enough substance?

I was going to watch this tonight but now I'm reconsidering. Should I watch it?

>>147213023
sauce

>>147209884
Because a retarded 'happily ever after' disney end would only cheapen the emotional content of the story. The point is for the sympathy to actually fucking stick with you not to just wash away in a flood of impotent cliches.

>>147209974
>>147209986

Shinkai has a wife. Infact she voiced the girl in Voices from a Distant Star

>>147213703
Arranged marriages are more like a partnership than a relationship

>>147212861
You are supposed to relate to the feeling itself, that's what tries to convey, that those feelings are universal.

Sure, trying to relate to an abandoned alien/immortal vampire needs character developement because of the extraordinary conditions they fpund themselves into, but Shinkai works are meant to be relatable because they are assumed to have been experienced by almost everyone.

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>>147209884
>"THIS MOVIE IS SHIT BECAUSE THE STORY DIDN'T GO HOW I WANTED IT TO!"

You sir, are an idiot.

>>147214538
>random body switch through time and space
>muh meteor
>muh memories are gone
>"I LOVE YOU"
>a-at least we saved half the town!!!

It was fucking garbage m8

>>147210929
Why does it even need to show that stuff? We already know it's gonna happen so no need to hammer it in. It'd be superfluous anon. The movie ended perfectly.

>>147214153
I don't agree with this because feelings don't exist without people. are the people who dictate the feelings. so, if the character is just a plot device, I don't think the feeling he wants to express will be intense enough. and that's why I just can not enjoy shinkai's movies. they lack meat, depth.

>>147214652
There is something called "satisfying pay-off", you probably never heard of it.

I just feel like i wasted my time watching this movie because it had no pay-off at all.

The Japanese way is... the process of things... not the end result... like Americans... *puffs cigarette*

In France... Manga is the 9th art!

>5 wallpapers per second

guess who spat out soda after reading that?

>>147214792
>feelings dont exist without people
top kek

>>147211220
>IMO Shinkai doesn't even compare to many of Ghibli's works though
Why even compare ComixWave and Ghibli? They're both WAY too different.

>>147215041
Keit-ai would have been a far better movie than what we got desu

>>147212861
They only seem flat because you're too autistic to understand human emotions.

>>147215099
If this movie actually had real human emotions they would literally be fucking most of the time.

No sane human acts like these autistic anime characters that only look at each other and blush all the time.

>>147214844
I was satisfied. I didn't need to see them fuck in his flat after meeting. Getting to imagine what could happen to them after is half the enjoyment. For example in kotonoha no niwa you never see what happens between the student and the teacher after the movie. How would you feel knowing the teacher was fubar by a meteor months after they say goodbye?

>>147214649
Your face is fucking garbage, faggot.

>>147214935
there is no message without a transmitter.
>>147215099
I understand human emotions, but those portrayed by Makoto Shinkai are too artificial because the characters and their relationships are shallow.

>>147215508
And so in your futile assertions you demonstrate the very inability you're trying to denounce. You can't into feelings and you can't into logic either. Good job.

>>147214792
If you're dwelling on the character and not their circumstances, to the point of being blinded to the latter, then you're basically entirely media illiterate. I assume you're a "high functioning" autistic that takes some presumptuous pride in being able to try and draw a line between yourself and the stereotypical autistic. You're not as good at blending in as you think you are.

>>147215097
You're baiting, but I agree.

Koto no niwa is kind of a mess.

>>147215746
>>147214792
and ironically the emotional communications you think aren't shallow are actually the most superficial spoonfeeding, as indicated by your inability to read the most simple of well written characterization; that is, character empathy thru full medium narration and not just explicitly stated and verbal/textual.

>>147209884
>Why can't there be a movie like this but with actuall payoff like a kiss, hugs, post-credit happy ending scene or maybe even a fucking sex scene, go full vanilla hentai and make it cute, ANYTHING.
How sexually frustrated are you?

>inb4 projecting

I see shinkai still thinks he's the master of story telling and refuses to get someone to write a good story for him.

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>>147215257
Nigga what? Women IRL aren't as DTF as they're portrayed in shoehorned sex scenes in Hollywood movies. And Japanese people in particular are VERY conservative when it comes to sex.
>>147215508
I love how you accuse Shinkai characters of being shallow without giving convincing reasons why you think so.

>>147215986
Isn't it just weird that there is not a single non-hentai and non-gore anime that has a uncensored sex scene in it?

Why can't they just include it as something normal and natural, as part of life.

>>147216144
>Women IRL aren't as DTF as they're portrayed in shoehorned sex scenes in Hollywood movies
You have no fucking idea anon

>Japanese people in particular are VERY conservative when it comes to sex
Conservative and autistic are two different things

>>147215062
People were hailing him as the second miyakazi after his first feature film for a little bit. That sort of went away really quick

>>147209945
I've watched all of Shinkai's works, even though I really like them, having all of your works end on a bittersweet note kind of dulls you.
I watched "Kimi no na wa" fully expecting a bittersweet, open end, and guess what I got?

Kumo no Mukou is still his best movie

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>>147209884
>hurr this movie is shit
>3bi Yen in sales so far

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>memekoto shinkai's movies
>good
I don't know what you expected desu

Shinkai is a terrible one-trick pony.

I don't get it. Are Jap men this afraid of women? I honestly feel bad for Japanese girls.

>>147216387
>sales = quality
Hate this meme.

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>>147209884
>5 wallpapers per second

For a second there, I thought you were referring to Trigger.

>>147216493
>this is what contrarians believe

>>147210929
Real life doesn't work like that, I'd rather see a Shinkai move about kyrgyz brinde kidnapping.

>>147216144
>I love how you accuse Shinkai characters of being shallow without giving convincing reasons why you think so.
they are flat because they are just tools. tools for melodramatic voice-overs and cheesy monologues. so it's extremely difficult (at least for me) believe the film express genuine emotions, since the characters talk, think and act in an very idealized way.

>>147216728
Shinkai’s films are not plot-driven, but character-driven, because it is about what they are feeling. But, since the characters are dull, everything feels kind of fake.

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Shinkai isn't a good scriptwriter. But both him and Hosoda are far better at it than Miyazaki.

>>147209884
Kimi no na wa is the greatest anime of all time and if you don't think so then your just a contrarian faggot that need to kill yourself.

>they don't remember anything
I'm mad. Not even gonna finish this.

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remember the good old days when shinkai just ripped off his plot off a timeless classic and there was a reason why it was mostly monologues (he was a shit 2d animator, but decent 3d animator)

>>147217470
>watching anything from Makoto "The Hack" Shinkai

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>mfw we will get another movie with this formula in a few years
>people will watch it anyway and call it a masterpiece

When will they learn

>people are still confusing art direction with animation
Aight then.

The first part of 5cps is still one of the best things I've ever watched. That train scene felt like I was there.

>>147217735
>oh, my letter
>cries
dear lord, anon

>>147217865
Do you have a heart made out of stone?

>>147217913
do you live in a soap opera?

>>147217948
No, I just live vicariously through anime characters.

>>147216527
That's 5 reactionfaces per second.

>>147216387
>>147216561
One Piece: Gold sold like hotcakes, but it's an absolutely horrible movie.

These movies are also the reason why the anime, which is actually animating the original and interesting source material, have such a horrible budget and terrible quality.

>>147218460
One Piece Gold is a movie for kids you idiot.

>>147216387
its fucking 6 billion already you shit head

>>147209884

>a less-than-ideal, bittersweet ending is bad
I came out of The Place Promised in Our Early Days feeling more happy and satisfied than 5cm/s, but I'd be mental if I said 5cm/s wasn't the better film of the two.

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>>147217379

what do you think is the biggest flaw of Shinkai?

>>147219588
Trying to convey emotions to the viewer.

>>147216728
Those aren't convincing reasons. Those are just your own shitty opinions of Shinkai and his style of filmmaking. Opinions aren't facts. You're retarded.

>>147218391
That's Nisekoi.

>>147219588
trying to write a romance story

>>147220177
you can not deny that everything is ultra-idealized (unless you live in an alternative world).

>>147219766
>Trying to convey emotions to the viewer.
Why do you think that?

>making the same movie over and over again

Mako-sensei reminds me of someone...

>>147220678
Take the way the characters interact, for example. Or how the plot unfolds.

>there are people here who don't want a satisfying, natural conclusion because of muh artistic integrity

The entire point of Tamako Love Story was the developing relationship and the ultimate confession of Mochizou, which was followed by an extremely satisfying credits scene. A similar approach would work here.

>>147210511
Well, of course, since KyoAni's film isn't even in fucking theaters yet, idiot.

>>147220994
>Take the way the characters interact, for example.
You don't think it's realistic or substantial?

>>147221096
Realistic? Not exactly. Sometimes the characters can go as far as crying the fuck out of everything on even the slightest of situations.
Substantial? Well, it does have a bit of substance though. The way the dialogue is written feels natural to me, so I can forgive that.

i think the favorite anime of shinkai is shigatsu

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>>147223188
Well, I meant the scene where Mochizou films her, but this is just as cute.

>>147223719
What I really love about this scene is how Mochizou doesnt even consider himself getting really wet and just drops his hands and knees straight into the water because he's worried about Tamako

It's just so sweet

>>147223777
The whole movie was just so pure and lovely.

If only I could see such moments with Mitsuha and Taki. Showing just the beginning of their new relationship is doing everyone a disservice.

>>147209884
What's wrong with kimi no na ha?
It ends happily and I guess they're gonna be a couple, then break up

>>147224391
>>147223777
the movie was shit trash and they should have stuck to nothing happening

>>147225037
Then we wouldn't have Mitsuha.

Am I the only one who thought Kimi no na wa's male MC voice actor sounded kind of amateurish?

>>147225146
i meant tamako

but kimi as well. would have been a much better ending if she didnt make it

unresolved love is the purest form of love

Shinkai is the Coelho of anime

>>147209884
Because you're not a nice person OP.
You're just a faggot.

>>147225418
>being a sad, emotionally-stunted Shinkai apologist

>>147225526
>>>/a/
>>>emotional health and maturity

>>147225405
Because he's actually an amateur

I thought this movie was great. But they needed at least 10-15 more minutes in the middle to explain why taki and mitsuha fell in love.

Through their dreams and bodyswapping they must've understood each other's deepest darkest secrets, troubles and home lives, etc. and the movie doesn't capitalize on this to further develop their relationship. In fact, the scene where taki starts veering away from architecture and instead begins drawing mountains and natural landscapes could be used to represent his growing love for Mitsuha if used earlier in the movie.

Mitsuha could've chanced upon taki's art and developed an appreciation for his talent or something like that. It's a romance movie but there's hardly any romantic development between the two. It's just 'I love you' all of a sudden. I was so confused when Mitsuha started tearing up when Taki and the senpai were on their date.

There's probably some obscure reason they're in love, like how there's a greater sense of emotional loss when you lose a loved one within a dream.

>>147226333
trips do not lie, it was amazing but it could have been a 9.5 with this