why has animation quality decreased over the past 21 years?

it's hasn't
youre just cherrypicking from high budget ova's and movies
go watch the wind rises or something

For the same reason that the gaming industry died, too many faggots with shit taste spending fucktons of money on and defending garbage.

>>147098826
It hasn't. Take off your nostalgia goggles

>>147098826
What do you suppose his WPM is?

>>147098826
because you're comparing high budget OVA from when Japan is still having their economic boom to TV series today.

>>147098826
>posts the exception
why is this allowed?

>tfw akira is still the only animated completely animated on 1s (24 fps)

>>147099097
and the story is complete shit. No thanks

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>Taking all that time and effort to engineer those intricate robot finger things when you can just plug your head into the usb port.

>tumblr
Stop replying.

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Then...

>>147098826
Because of cheaper alternatives which look worse.

>>147098826
Despite the quality there are so many things about this that bug me.
>robot interfacing with a machine manually
>chance of error greatly increased
>so many easily broken moving parts

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>>147099268

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>>147099309
Now.

>>147099309
1fps
so nostalgic for hearing Frieza speak over 3 stills for 5 minutes

>>147099346
Man, I miss Raito.

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>>147099346
What the fuck happened?

>>147099346
Nakamura's scenes in Concrete Revolutio were awful.

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>>147099373
The camera never loved a man the way it loved the Iron Detective.

Because you can now hire a lot of people with less talent to do something with the digital aids that previously could only be accomplished by less people with more artistic talent.

Good animation still gets made, but as a whole it is much cheaper to hire a sea of underpaid low-skill people to make korean photoshop sweatshop anime than get a bunch of extremely talented animators together to make something truly special.

Also anime tastes of consumers changed. Standards get lower and lower and virgin otaku are willing to pay an arm and a leg for worse stories with worse animation as long as they have cute girls in them.

Again, there is still modern anime with high quality animation, but as a whole the entire industry has a lot less artistic talent and the great traditional animators of old are starting to die out and leave the industry to be replaced lower-paid, lower skill, more numerous animators.

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>>147099411
Whatever you say, Satomi.

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back then we made it because we wanted to , now there's no $$ in it so no one wants to .

>>147099454
I don't think you've seen the average animation quality of an 80s TV series. Hell, most OVAs were nothing to write home about either. But you know what happened? Nobody remembers the garbage, so they get to cherry pick out the best and claim there was a golden age.

>>147098826
If you could half ass a project and get an A or A- or work your ass off for the A+ what would you do?

If you could work 3 days a week for 50k a year or 7 days a week for 60k a year what would you do?

>>147098826
Animation and CGI has gotten lazy with the advancement of new technology putting less artistic effort into everything

>>147099097
>akira
>animated completely on 1s

Except that's bullshit, take a few minutes to frame step through the movie. A lot of it is 2s, and most of the 1s parts are pans over static backgrounds, alternating between new foreground frames and new background frames, or just two different scans of the same frame in a row. It still looks good, but it doesn't contain anywhere near as many unique frames as people like to claim.

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>>147099629
Digital inking and colouring doesn't make those frames draw themselves, you know.

>dat cherrypicking idiot

every single thread

>>147098864
They made far more of those in the 80s and 90s than they do now. It's not unfair to say animation quality has declined.

I would say that specifically TV series are higher quality than they used to be, but there is an abundance of laziness and lack of creativity in all areas that has been spurred on by digitization of the industry enabling more people with less talent to enter the industry as the talented traditional animators of old are phased out.

So basically yes, LN adaptations, moeshit and virgins are killing anime.

>>147099390
The fight itself looks good, but the backgrounds and forced camera movement look terrible.

>>147099773
that's still retarded because the quality of animation, as a fucking medium, has not declined

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Cherry picking war?

Beat this you modernfags.

I miss the good old day of hand-drawn animation.
Computer is soul-less and can't produce true art.

>>147099713
>Digital inking and colouring doesn't make those frames draw themselves, you know.

I know, I'm in animation & visual effects.

Harder to paint and draw frames in the 70's than it is nowadays, making artists back then pay more artistic attention to their craft.

>>147099773
No, what you're saying isn't "there are less high-budget OVAs and movies, therefore animation quality has declined", it's "there are less high-budget OVAs and movies, therefore there are less high-budget OVAs and movies".

>>147099955

Yea I honestly don't care if this argument is always a cherrypicking war.

Traditional animation > CG and photoshop anime any day of the week

Retro always wins, can't beat the oldschool aesthetic

>>147098826
Budget constraints.

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>>147099955
Pfft, look at that framerate, how can the eighties even compete?

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Photoshop killed artistic skill.

>>147100035

I really wish modern anime would tone it down on the post processing sometimes, I would rather see a few drawing imperfections here and there than LENS FLARE desu

>>147099773
You're choosing an arbitrary measure which fits the point you're trying to make.

>>147099955
This looks bad. You did a bad job at cherry-picking.

>>147100035
Fuck, I like the above one much more. Yamada should just fuck off with her stupid filters

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If we're allowed to cherry-pick, even shows with overall low standards of art have their moments. Even Deen can do it.

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Tracing with computer is easy.
No one learns to draw anymore.

>>147100082
>This looks bad. You did a bad job at cherry-picking.
That's one way to admit you're an idiot I suppose.

>>147099980
Doesn't follow. More people will do something poorly when it's easy to do (lower barrier to entry; SFM effect), but that doesn't necessarily decrease the number of people who do the thing well.

>>147100140
>hurr durr tracing
I would say something, but it's difficult to reason with people this stupid if they think that something like that is just lazily tracing a photo.

>>147099955
Is this really from a TV series?

>>147099955
https://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/11472/animated-beams-effects-explosions-itano_circus-mec

https://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/25208/3d_background-animated-artist_unknown-beams-cgi-de

https://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/11106/animated-artist_unknown-black_and_white-effects-fi

https://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/24972/animated-artist_unknown-character_acting-dancing-l

>>147100035
Yeah you're right, there's literally zero artistry left in the after shot.

>>147100069
>>147100093
Anime is not a showcase for visual art, it's a medium for telling a story.

>>147100159
The effects stuff is good but the kinematics are obviously stilted.

>>147100206
All but the 4th one look awful.

>>147100140
Know what they did 30 years ago when they wanted detailed scenery? They just put in a fucking photo. I'd rather have a traced semi-stylized background than a fucking photo.

>>147100269
>Know what they did 30 years ago when they wanted detailed scenery? They just put in a fucking photo.
No one did that 30 years ago.

>>147100138

Real niggas remember when DEEN wasn't a huge meme and produced some top tier shit

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>>147099454

Ebin bait.

Average TV anime of today looks 5 times better than average TV anime of 90's.

You retards always post GitS or Akira and pretend it was the standard.

And saying stories got worse clearly shows you are a troll or newfag. 3/4 of 90's anime was crap for little kids. Most of the rest were retarded gorefest/fanservice OVAs with plot worse than Naruto.

>>147100260
Eh I liked it. I just randomly picked for these.

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>>147100312
I could use a list, if you'd be so kind.

>>147099773
>They made far more of those in the 80s and 90s than they do now.
That's the difference between a boom and a recession.

>>147100245

>it's a medium for telling a story.

If the animation and artwork weren't a huge part of the appeal for me and I didn't give a fuck why would I watch anime, I would just watch live action film

If you don't care about animation but watch anime you are just a manchild who wants to look at cartoon girls

In a sense in an ideal world CG would triumph, since it enables a person to do a lot more.

In the reality world, all it enables, mostly, is corner cutting to the max and general lazyness.

I don't understand why it all came to this, since all it does is break creativity. You are not as restricted as you used to be. For a medium such as Anime it doesn't have much of an impact, as it is already a drawn format and one can do amazing things with just creativity.

I just feel it is a really lazy way of doing things, since it's never done in the right manner and only used as a tool to cut corners.

>>147100260

If they were scenes from some 90's OVA people would be orgasming and shitting themselves when it was released. And then ask how is it even possible to make something that looks so good.

>>147099250
>>Taking all that time and effort to engineer those intricate robot finger things when you can just plug your head into the usb port.
In the manga it is explained that the old man doesn't trust the brain port, either because he is old fashioned or for security reasons. And that the typing hands are a way to augment his interface capabilities without using a brainjack.

>>147100035
People always point Eupho for its filters but honestly I think its one of, if not the best example of using filters. The top looks nicer as a single frame but the colors and filters did a fantastic job of complementing the mood of the show or particular scenes as a whole. Its isn't smooth animation or the setting that made Eupho so good, its the characters and and their interactions. And I think dropping some background detail and clarity to better highlight the characters and mood was a great choice.

>>147100350
It's all personal preference, but there really is no school like the old school.

>>147100421
Except they wouldn't, because they're all loaded with 3DCG and after effects, which weren't used in the 90s.

>>147100245
>Anime is not a showcase for visual art, it's a medium for telling a story
Just read book if you don't give a fuck about the most important thing of a visual medium.

>>147100392
>Soul Hunter

Holy shit, one of my first.

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>>147100402
>I just feel it is a really lazy way of doing things, since it's never done in the right manner and only used as a tool to cut corners.
Orange and the studio that did Bubuki Buranki exist. Even if Bubuki Buranki's trade-off for mastering imitation-2D was a show that was barely animated.

Good CG isn't any easier than good 2D.

>>147100436
Looks like crap and all it does is mask that shitty background

>>147100392

You can just wiki the studio

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>>147100487
>Even if Bubuki Buranki's trade-off for mastering imitation-2D was a show that was barely animated.
I mean seriously, the show had less frames of animation in it than your average zero budget 90s series. What's the point of having 3d if you aren't going to use any of its advantages?

>>147098888
Quads of truth.

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>modern """"animation""""

>>147100534
Well yeah, but people's personal opinions and recommendations are valuable too.

Somebody talking about how much they like a show and what's good about it can do a lot more to sell somebody than the show's rating and synopsis.

>>147100565
This is like the animation version of Micheal Bay.

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Is Concrete Revolutuion good? It looks meta.
Does it have a meaningful story?

>>147100445
https://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/22869/animated-beams-effects-eureka_seven-_pocket_ga_nij

https://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/8271/animated-effects-eureka_seven_-2005-eureka_seven_s

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>>147100421

Pretty sure I've seen better or comparable scenes of grills dancing from older anime, that wasn't really anything special

>>147100565
And yet the fight was still less impressive than in the manga.

And that webm is a lot of flash and little substance.

>>147100589
Nah that would be >>147100445

>>147099955
I'm pretty sure this is not from a TV series

>>147100605
>adobe after effect garbage
>good
fuck off

>>147100648
Yes it is. Try not guessing next time.

>ITT Retarded Nostalgiafags
Oh boy

>>147098826
Watch Ufotable animes and say that again you faggot.

>>147100604
>Is Concrete Revolutuion good?
Yes, very.
>It looks meta.
Sort of. It mirrors historical events in the Showa period and takes place over a number of years. Many of them are stuff like "this ultraman-based superhero appears in the same year that ultraman appeared in" but some go deeper.
>Does it have a meaningful story?
Also yes.

>>147100637
get educated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2THVvshvq0Q

>>147100656
Stay mad 80s pleb.

>>147100686
This feels almost false-flagging with how much people complain about Ufotable's digital effects.

>>147100604
it's great, the only episode that wasn't was the butcher one. jirozilla is cool

>>147098826
Because anime was hand drawn and hand painted in the past. Skilled animators were valued in the past, now some random Korean with a tablet is doing everything digitally. It doesn't take a retard to figure this out.

>>147100401
Because it's varied and novel, and the types of stories you get are totally different from western media. Because due to the nature of Japanese culture over the last couple decades their media targets various niches instead of some homogeneous massive consumer base. Because due to the very fact that it's not live action it lends itself more to experimentation and is less tied down to realism. Because you don't get shit like Mushishi or crazy bullshit like NGE in live action film. Because something like Paprika can be created on a budget less than a tenth of Inception and still be more firmly in a world of dream and consequently doesn't have to be tied down to hollywood executives so the creators can really do whatever they want.

>>147100463
>the most important thing of a visual medium
Immersion?

>>147100565

All style and no substance, all i see are multicolored balls ripping around with flashing lights

DBZ tier

>>147100718
>the only episode that wasn't was the butcher one.
Hey, Vietnam GI Joe was a good episode.

>>147100496
But like, that's just you're opinion man.

Regardless you misunderstand my post. If your going to bash on the overuse of filters, Eupho should be the last show you bash on.

>>147100736
>Immersion
are you a /v/tard?

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>>147100728
Bones sure are a bunch of hacks, they do everything automatically by computer and don't do any of it by hand anymore.

personally what bothers me the most about todays animation isn't the over the top cgi, but the animation style, they all look the same, almost every damn anime has the same drawing style and that's what I hate most

>>147098980
I'd say around 135 ~ 140, probably lower.

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modern anime don't have meaningful shot composition

>>147100694

millenial please don't you have a re:zero thread to attend to

>>147100604
>Is Concrete Revolutuion good?
Yes
>It looks meta.
It is
>Does it have a meaningful story?
Depends. It's basically a less shitty japanese version of Avengers in that it helps if you know the background of the characters before getting into it (Ishinomori's stuff, general toku shows, kaiju shows etc) and then you watch ConRevo to see various characters from different media/franchise interact and live in the same world. Their own take of Civil War is better, too (though that's not saying much).

It's certainly worth the watch.

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>>147100565
Norio Matsumoto>Yutaka Nakamura

>>147100796
Would you stop this Eva shot composition meme already for fucks sake

>>147100796
Of course it does, it's just in anime you don't like.

>>147100686

post-processing and flashing lights: the studio

>>147100736
All those things you mentioned work because they have the right visuals to support the right story. I don't understand why some of you have such extremist view of things. Stuff works because of multiple factors working together. Fighting tooth an nail to emphasis on only one factor is a fool's game as that's just not how the world works. Accepting the merits of both is how you end up with the result exceeding the sum of its parts.

>>147100826

It does have great shot composition though, Anno is a great director

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Because animator work conditions have gotten worse.

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>>147100858
Yeah, look at this shot composition
really make your neurons stimulated

>>147100877
Post the QUALITY one now.

>>147100846
>>147100877

BONES is god tier

>>147100912
Why do you even have a Phantom World PV saved to your computer

>ITT Retarded Millenials
Oh boy

>>147100846
>>147100877
Too much disgusting shaky cam. Also, what's with the square debris in the second webm? That looks lazy and awful.

>>147100935
>Yutaka Nakamura is god-tier
Fixed that for you.

>>147100887
I have no idea whose side you're on because you seem to contradict yourself entirely, but I never made the claim that any one factor was the most important.

>>147100895
great !== meaningful

>>147098826
The target audiences have changed.

>>147100908
>confident enough to strike

it's not confidence, they just know as soon as they strike their are a billion chinks, Vietnam fucking shits and Filipinos ready to go.

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New "Animation"

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I, for one, welcome our digital animation overlords.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2TZExeJzIk

>>147100971
He works at bones
So bones is god tier

>>147100626
>And yet the fight was still less impressive than in the manga.
Nice joke.

>And that webm is a lot of flash and little substance.
The point of that scene is to emphasize Boros's power and speed, it's not meant to be a intricate fight same as the manga.

>>147100912
>Comparing a generic harem series to Eva
God Nostalgiafags are dumb

>>147101215
>>147101038
Fuji draws nice legs.

>>147100908
That's not what bahi looks like.

>>147101278
Proofs?

>>147101038
I like a lot of the effort put in but japs need to learn how to cinematography and preferably not from hollywood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCKhktcbfQM

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>>147101309

>>147101388
What's wrong with the anime video? It's not like the editing makes it hard to follow like your example.

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>>147101409
>Bahi credited for Ping Pong even though his final work did not make it
kek

>>147101388
I think the people that needs to learn cinematography the most is the fuckwads working in Studio Kyoani and Shaft.

Kyoani and Shaft are the worst when it comes to this fucking shit, I don't care about the content of the show or the quality of the writing, but their direction, design philosophy and cinematography is disgusting.

>>147101445
>What's wrong with the anime video?
It doesn't look old and dated enough.

>>147101445
shot composition is trash in that video
half the time you can't tell what the fuck is going on because light and smoke or you have one foot and one ass in the shot

>>147100445
The new macross looks like shit compared to this. New directors and storyboard artist need to learn how to frame their shots. 3D doesn't mean you can just show any angle you want because you can swing the camera around anytime you want. It also make shots look static as fuck. This what I don't like about the new berserk. The constant zooming and panning around. They can't use the camera to create a good frame on the screen. It's more, "Lets move the camera so the people can see the entire 3D model moving."

>>147100206
>good animation

The last one is well animated, the third is kind of good too.
The other just have too much shit happening on the screen.

>>147101483
>Shaft
won't argue with you there
I genuinely hesitate to watch something from them even if it's good because of how badly it's directed

>>147101519
The lighting is on the stronger side, but I don't see how it's particularly hard to follow at all.

>ITT: lies people tell on the internet.

>>147101483
>shaft
remember when they embellished the high school in Nisekoi for no reason

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>>147100908

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>>147100796

>>147101483

This

I don't mind KyoAni that much but I cannot stand shaft, every frame of Monogatari triggers me

All the good shit today is made by the same people who made the good shit 20-40 years ago, though. And they have less money to work with. That's kinda frightening.

>>147100565
>>147100626
>>147100742
Shit, are you guys actually enjoying intense sakuga and paced action scenes, or are you just willing to make a point about touching your dicks over pre-00's animation peaks?

>>147101553
>>147101483
Or maybe you guys can't handle anime kino

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>>147101591

>>147101598
There are much better shots to pick from the series.

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>>147100796
.

>Post "good animation"
>it's just the animators being lazy and reducing most of the action to literal fucking lines to lead the eye

>>147101611

All I did was state my opinion dude, the animation sequence didn't appeal to me

No need to become furious

>>147101634
There we go.

>>147100487
CG can look good on robots and other stuff. But I have yet to see a representation of a living being that is belieavable. Everytime there are shots with people talking I prefer that I was sleeping instead.

>>147101584
0:22 to 0:28 has 7 cuts
that's bad
no reason to not reduce this to 3 cuts max
odds are is because they literally adapted manga panels or storyboards when could've done it better by sticking to their medium's strong points
in short it lacks fluidity which you see in superior action sequences

Old anime didn't have cute girls, now fuck off.

>all these great modern animation examples
>barely any good nostalgiafag examples
Well I guess we know the answer to OPs question.

>>147101734
>odds are is because they literally adapted manga panels or storyboards when could've done it better by sticking to their medium's strong points
That's a commercial for a mobile game.

>>147101829
even so my criticism still stands

>>147101734
Or it's just a commercial and they're just cutting corners, but even then yes, despite it being a commercial there is still no reason for there to be so many cuts.

at the very least at least they aren't making your eyes jumping all over the place.

If someone wanted to incorporate so many cuts they could just follow the same path as the recent Mad Max movie did, where almost all the action is directly centered, so that the eye won't move at all when watching so many cuts transition through.

>>147101734
>that's bad
Why?

>>147101734
>that's bad
According to who? You? The cutting is admittedly on the quicker side, but you can still get a grip on what's happening.
I appreciate and even prefer action scenes that can hold the camera but I don't hate quick cuts either. They have their uses, such as making scenes look more frenetic which can be justified depending on the context.

>>147099955
Reminder that Anno animated this.

>>147099773
>This is what manimefags ACTUALLY believe
Animation on paper/digital is harder to fuck up than in cell.

>>147101950
it's only bad when the meaning conveyed is wasted through several cuts

an old captain america movie comes to mind, where in the movie the director spends multiple cuts that consists of some guy doing one action that could have very well been conveyed clearly within a single cut.

when you cut to another shot, it's presumed it's because you want to relay new information to the viewer, if there's no new information then the cut is bad because you're just being fucking redundant.

in the case of an action scene, where it cuts to a better angle of some guy preparing to punch the shit out of another, we can assume we cut to this shot to convey the intensity of the punch, or perhaps to show just how much is being put into the punch to let the viewer truly feel the weight of the action.

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>>147100999
jojos looks even worse.part 4 is a damm low quality cash grab animation

>>147098826
OP used a piss poor example for his argument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqNn1iRdxxQ

apologies for it being dub but I'm on my way out and can't look for sub at the moment

>>147102205
The Jojo TV anime has always been poorly animated and filled with bad drawings.

>>147102205
Part 4 is the best-looking one of all the David Pro Jojo anime.

>>147102059
Tripfag idiot.

>>147102293
Can't I skip part 3 and go directly to part 4? I can't stand the cgi on part 3.

>>147102059
You don't seriously think animators drew directly onto cels themselves, do you?

>>147102405
They painted on it, right?

>>147102439
They didn't even have to touch the damn things.

>>147098826
Because Japanese fanboys think they too can make an animoo.

>>147102463
They painted on them. Which is something that needs more skill than doing it on a computer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MZA-ov99LU

>>147102605
>>147102439
There were specific staff that inked/painted on the cels and they were separate from the animators who have always worked on paper

>>147098826
That animation is forced as fuck.

>>147102651
Stop using words you don;t know the meaning of, you're not fitting in.

>>147102605
That's the paint department. No key animators would personally handle colouring, though a very small handful these days do it on occasion thanks to the convenience of digital colouring.

>>147100653
Using Urusei Yatsura as an example is kind of cherrypicking, it was way ahead of its time in terms of ａｅｓｔｈｅｔｉｃ

>>147102059

>using "manime" unironically
>all anime from the 80's and 90's is "manime" and therefore bad

I dunno what's worse, the sheer ignorance or thinking that something being manly is somehow a bad thing, feminist tier thinking

If you are male and dislike traditionally manly things that is a defect, not a virtue

>>147100445
*Kenny Loggins intensifies*

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>>147102212

>>147098826
That looks like CGI.

>>147100328
>>147100260
The faces don't move at all, which ruins it a bit. Not even the shape changes despite the singing.

Is "OVAs" a valid excuse? Aren't modern TV anime literally just OVAs that they aired on TV before release?

The problem is that anime forgot how to make visuals interesting. There are two different ways to make cheap, interesting animation. Low movement+high detail, or high movement+low detail. Anime has typically gone for the former, but the problem is that they are removing detail in modern anime, making it less interesting. Old anime has colours, backgrounds, noisy drawings and many different things that make them interesting. Modern anime has flat colours, unremarkable backgrounds and removes anything that makes it look like drawings, which weakens the strength anime has been going for traditionally
>>147100999
Looks like 2000s artstyle

>tfw want to post dank 80s cumimation but cant because I never save webms

figgity fug

>>147103915
Search archives for webm threads. There be some of them where a few anons post new and old webms.

>>147099955
what is this from?

>>147100565
Fuck you guys this scene was awesome.

>>147103488
>Aren't modern TV anime literally just OVAs that they aired on TV before release?
They're only comparable in that they both fit into an otaku-oriented niche. Otherwise, they're very different.

>>147099863
There's nothing wrong with the backgrounds. They look normal at worst.

>>147104095
Urusei Yatsura

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>>147104095
Urusei Yatsura

Animation quality hasn't declined but with everything being digitised a lot of style has been lost, mostly in colouring and general shading.

>>147100541
>9 seconds of being kicked
Is that a record? It looks like it

>>147100718
The butcher episode was okay. The olympics one is the most awful episode by far.

>>147098826
Like everyone else it hasn't But everything is going into shit like this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEm7lQzlijE


Literally all the talent is going to idol master and tech is being used for bull shit like this.

>>147099291
Not to mention that it's only as fast as the input allows and how fast the buffer can load and unload data.

>>147099346
I which we could have more things like Concrete.

>>147098826
Anime has always been progressing towards being done cheeply, not quality.

Quality is a possible side-effect of popularity.

>>147102362
>the cgi on part 3
I don't remember any CGI in part 3 besides the intro.

Also no you don't skip parts. Nothing will make sense if you do.

>>147103488
The budget and time frame is what matters.
A weekly TV series has to produce a new episode within two/three weeks while OVA have more relaxed schedules with new episodes every few months.

>>147107959
don't lie to me I saw webms of jotaro's and dio's fight and the CGI was awful

>>147100436
I thought it looked great but they used it too much. You only need to have it for some scenes.

>>147099250

Enjoy getting brainjacked.

>>147099097

Doesn't matter Akira the animation was fucking shit, once you read the manga you'll realize how much of the story was butchered in the animation. Then think that hollywood is still trying to remake it basing it on the movie and not the manga.

>>147108490
>plotfags

>>147103425
Is this meant to be impressive?

>>147108151
There's no CGI in any of the fights of any of the parts of JoJo. Maybe you're referring to the OPs, which were handled by another studios?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RordBk3Ztk4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7QUZ0W0rMY

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>>147099454
>Standards get lower and lower and virgin otaku are willing to pay an arm and a leg for worse stories with worse animation as long as they have cute girls in them.

Virgin Otaku have been salivating over cute girls since before you were born.

>>147101261
There is no show comparable to eva nowadays.
Not him but what would you compare eva to? Fucking shin sekai yori?

>>147102149
>>147101598
>>147101685

haha you guys have the shittiest of tastes.
Eva looks like top notch cinema unlike the garbage you posted
He also talked about the meaningfulness of the composition, none of the shots you psted are really as meaningful.

>>147109571
(Nor do they look nearly as good with their centered symmetric compositions)

>>147100674
Fookin' savage bro

>>147099773
You know that the Japanese economy fucking imploded in the mid-90s right?

>>147103123
You're blind/retarded.

>>147102212
Is this meant to be impressive?

>>147109499
Glasslip

they use 3rd world countries to draw nowadays

>>147109571
>Eva looks like top notch cinema unlike the garbage you posted
Meh you have shit taste.

>none of the shots you psted are really as meaningful.
Yes they do it's not my fault you're lost without the context.

>>147109499
>There is no show comparable to eva nowadays.
Even if that is true(it's not) it still doesn't excuse the retarded comparison.

>>147111624
I'm not even talking about taste. There's almost no compositive decissions in those shots.
I'm sorry you're uncultured and don't understand shit about photography or painting.

>>147111765
Ididn't make the comparison.
You very well know no show has a characters, themes, tone or atmosphere of eva. No show nowadays is as risky and ambitious.

>>147112356
Fucking vignete effects.
Can they stop it with the shitty postprocessing, designs, colors and backgrounds?

>>147101634
>147100637
Finally so that's what he looks like. He really is just some weird austrian guy.

The thing that always gets me is no matter how garbage anime looks, Lupin is always ahead of it's time.
Every fucking time it's on the high end of it's time, even the 1971 series looked better than some shows coming out in the 80s.

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>>147104403
>this is the best shading found in modern anime

>>147112093
>I'm not even talking about taste.
I am and yours sucks.

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>>147100819
This looks a thousand better than all the other cheap looking sakuga everyone is posting.

>>147113014
Said the uncultured amerifat. I'm sorry your country is visually retarded and doesn't have a single guy working in the movie industry that knows how to compose a fucking shot.

>>147113136
>Said the uncultured amerifat.
>being this retarded
Sorry I'm not american and your taste still sucks.

>>147101714
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYFIicZU5Ak

Basically nothing can beat high quality hand drawn animation. Nowadays even big budget shows have to rely on some CGI to save money and that's why they look less impressive than similar level shows of the past.

But if you look at the average quality and especially the inbetween frames of some mid to low budget shows the quality has improved drastically.

Just move to this thread >>147098598 if you want to have better discussion

>>147103488
>Aren't modern TV anime literally just OVAs that they aired on TV before release?
Congratulations that's the most retarded thing I've heard today

>cg
>digital colouring
>side mouth
>no noses

>>147099814
>implying that cute girls shows doesn't have great animation https://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/21874/akira_hamaguchi-animated-presumed-running-sansha_s

>>147114463
Certainly looks nice, but "great animation"?

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>>147103488
> Is "OVAs" a valid excuse? Aren't modern TV anime literally just OVAs that they aired on TV before release?

>>147104307
Chimp out as much as you want

>This thread : 95 IPs
>Sakuga thread : 29 IPs

every time.

>>147100686
>Watch Ufotable animes

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>>147114615
shitposters ;_;

>>147101356
Fuck I completely forgot about this sakuga. This fight is a gem

>>147098826

It's actually recovered now and you're cherrypicking

But it got pretty bad in the 2000s when everyone discovered digital coloring and shit and decided they never had to pit any effort into anything anymore.

>>147099713
Patrician taste

>>147100245
>Anime is not a showcase for visual art, it's a medium for telling a story

Or it can be a showcase for visuak art you fuckbucket

You don't get to decide what art is for

>>147100487
what is this from?

>>147118247
Flying vegetable

>>147100796

That's dumb as fuck, of course they do

You think every single modern director got there without ever studying film in the least? Go pick a random TV show from the 90s and find me meaningful composition shots from that shit--you fucking won't.

For fuck's sake, I'm of the opinion that the 80s and 90s had more talent in animation in the industry and I STILL think you're being retarded here.

>watching a modern fantasyish or sci-fi anime
>a space ship, or monster appears and it is extremely conspicuous cgi that doesn't mesh with anything on-screen and looks completely disconnected

>>147101483

>Shaft

Man I don't want to act like a fanboy but I can't agree with you at all here. There is some great fucking cinematography in Monogatari

I mean there's some shit in there too. Mostly Nise.

>>147101700

The end result is what's important, not the work that went into it

>>147099017
Why aren't there any high budget OVAs today?

>>147119449
That's one thing I really liked about Fafner. The CG for the festum is so weird it's unnerving. When they improve the CG in the later seasons and movie the robots look fantastic, but the festum lose that touch.

>>147103425
This doesn't look good, all the movements look forced and awkward.

Though I'm sure that it appeared amazing when it broke up the unbelivable dogshit animation that super consistently spits out weekly.

>>147119607
Unicorn, and thunderbolt say Hi. Same with Battleship Yamato. They're not as common because they're riskier now a days, but they're still done by companies that have money to burn.

>>147112966
I doubt DBS has the best anything in modern anime.

>>147102734

I was with you during the greentext and then you went retarded

>>147098826
because they only make shitty harems with full fanservice, so horny faggots buy them.

>>147098826
>why has animation quality decreased over the past 21 years?
A combo of higher wages and less willingness to cheat the hell out of what you're doing. The top old example would be what they did with that Robotech series. Lie, cheat, and steal until the show is done. Repainting old footage has become out of favour. They can't get away with that anymore. It's got to be all new animation and the overall production suffers because of it.

>>147103488

>Is "OVAs" a valid excuse? Aren't modern TV anime literally just OVAs that they aired on TV before release?

You fucking what, m8?

>>147119761
So basically every high end OVA must be from a long running IP that I have no interest in rather than an original property. Got ya.

>>147119947
He means the airing on TV is just to sell BDs

>>147108490
good thing that a story is fucking useless and will never replace good animation

>>147119449

FUCK THIS

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>>147100903
This is so good it really is in a league of it's own.

It's not uncommon to get high paced fight sequences like this today, but it is rare to get each frame crafted with this much consideration.

Even the facial expressions don't miss a step during the crazy exchanges. Beautiful line work with a colour pallete that compliments each shot instead of burning my eyeballs with venomous overbearing values.

I'm looking at you, Super

>>147108958
Otaku no Video is about passion for medium and amount of work and dedication that is put into it.

>>147108958

But they make up a much larger portion of the consumer base than they did then. Yes, shows about "cute" girls have always been around, but the number of those shows has gone up considerably since then to accommodate this shift in the market.

>>147098888
kek has spoken

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>>147100304
They did it often ten years ago

>>147101038
is the movie out?Can't find anything

>>147098826
>comparing OVAs and feature films to TV shows

>>147120289
not really

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>>147100312
But I watched the first fate stay night.

>and I Loved it.

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But animation quality now is top notch

sorry that I dont know how to webm but I think you can understand everything from pic

>>147119712
>forced
In the trash it goes.

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>>147121927

Survival bias.
The only things you remember from decades back are things worth remembering, the low quality run of the mill garbage has just been forgotten.

>>147100681
>>147122691
/thread

>>147122141
Whoa, this looks cool. is the show good?

>>147119607
>Why aren't there any high budget OVAs today?

Because anime is a business that needs money to survive.

In the japanese economical heyday they could do whatever they wanted to do because there were people / companies that will fund even the wildest projects. There are lots of experimental stuff from that era.

Now, in a time when people thinks thrice to spend their money, the industry have gone with the easiest routes, to appeal the most people possible.

Take for example movie industry. Have you seen any M rated stuff lately? Even the remakes of M stuff are turned into PG so they can have a potentially bigger audience.

Besides we have the eternal /a/ paradox: to buy or not to buy? or why we buy what we can get for free?

If you dont spend a dime on anime, then dont come bitchin' on why are not ultra niche anime to appease your cravings an tastes.

But we have to have both sides of the coin, there are companies that abuse hard on fans, chargin 70 USD for a bluray with few episodes.

TL; DR: You want to shape the industry? vote with your wallet instead of making change dot org campains
>>147119972
Not sure if trolling or just trying to be cynical.

Almost all of modern anime is extremely cringy and unpleasant to watch for me, I stick to the old shows.
What is even the point of adding a ridiculous number of unrealistic female characters to the show when you could make porn out of it and it would be better in all aspects.
I mean I understand getting the money thinking, but it is absurd to me.

>>147122797
Eh, it's ok. 13 episode anime series of an ongoing shounen manga, you're better off reading the manga, which is a spin off of a series called Magi: The Labyrinth of Magic this also has an anime, don't watch it, it's bad adaptation as excepted from A-1.

>>147099427
Ryo-timo?

>>147123387
Ah, right then, thanks for the recommendation.

>>147099519
>Nobody remembers the garbage, so they get to cherry pick out the best and claim there was a golden age
This right here.

>>147100035
>complaining about the bloom

>when there's fucking edited photographs as the background made to look painted

both look bad

>>147123147

Deadpool did pretty damn well with an M

>>147099346
I want to have Yutaka Nakaumra's babies

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>>147098826
Why has animation quality decreased over the last 69 years?

>>147124064
This is some of the sickest animation in anime I've seen

>>147100957
square debris is a commonly used technique called "yutapon cubes" derived from Yutaka Nakamura's style of debris animation

>>147099309

Lodoss War does have great animation though

You just cherrypicked the worst part

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>>147100350

How can this glorious film and the shitfest that is Lum the Forever possibly be in the same series

>>147100445
That's an OVA.

>>147124440
>that parallax
It's shit but I dig it.

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:^)

>>147124440

You can pick every cherry you like, that doesn't change that that's what you're doing.

>>147124440

https://youtu.be/3YiyBat61I4?t=1271

>>147123147
So basically capitalism ruined everything

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It hasn't.

>>147126293
His pain is FAR greater than yours.

>>147099629
>Harder=better
I'll never understand this retarded logic

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>>147102930
>>147125300
>a fucking hentai looks better than berserk.

>>147126545
To be fair it was basically an action OVA that was forced to have a single sex scene an episode.

>>147126545
Even my shit looks better than Berserk

>>147125490
>damage control

>>147109798
its from urusei yatsura tv series.

>>147126600
>forced
How?

>>147098826
>>>/reddit/

Fuck off and don't come back please.

>>147102930
Source?

>>147100792
People can do that with normal fingers. Should be at LEAST 200 wpm average

>>147101356

All scenes with the Fhurer in this Anime were fucking golden. My favourite is in the 2nd OP, when you see the little Fhurer in the distance fighting, despite bieng so small, the animation is fucking excellent, and the final battle between him and scar was sex.

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>>147098826
Because you cherry pick the best animation from the past then compare it to something like pic related


Who am I kidding the actual reason is all the animators from back then were assassinated by KyoAnus in order to beign the moeshit era.

>>147101598
>>147100819
>>147126293
what the fuck? I didn't know Naruto was this kino, /a/ told me to stay away from it. fucking explain yourselves while I search nyaa for a batch