Why doesn't Lailah just make Rose the Shepherd instead?
Who else who leave their fishing nets behind and follow Alisha?
Baba's making the threads now. has it really come to this?
She's quite the semen temptress
>>147077983
How long before she uses that lance to kill Alisha?
>>147078058
next week
More Zaveid when?
>>147078364
No more Zaveid til next year, bro.
>>147078364
"I'll do this my own way!"
Saw thesubbedBerseria video whereZaveid and Eizen fight the first time. Velvet being done with their shit was great.
>>147078240
Hyped.
>>147077015
She'll become one at the end.
>>147077015
>MC has the best Tales of potential harem
>Picks the boypussie
WHY
>>147080059
>someone else thinks anise is also best girl
I thought I was the only one. hold me, anon.
>>147080102
because he's best girl, duh.
>>147080272
No ofense, anon but I prefer to hold anise instead,
>>147080059
Someone else likes Fara? I am surprised.
>>147077015
>Tales of Zestiria
It's shit.
Will they ever hold hands?
>>147081164
This right here is the true OTP. Fuck AlishaXSorey, SoreyxMikleo and RosexSorey retards.
>>147081164
>Hey boy wanna /ss/
>>147077015
Because Baba lost his job screwing up the Tales franchise.
>>147080059
>liking Sheena
She lost the Lloydbowl so hard.
>>147081396
It's funny because all three of those make more sense than Edna/Mikleo anyway. You are the true picture of an autistic shipperfag.
>>147077015
Because she'd be creating another Artorius.
>>147080102
Because Rose is a sociopath and Alisha got kicked out by Baba
>>147077015
Because someone else finally picked right. If Lailah picked Rose, the world would end because she'd just kill Hedelf without knowing about Maotelous. Even if Lailah told her about Maotelous, Rose would probably think that killing him would be the right method instead of purifying him.
>>147080102
But Meebo is the best girl, why wouldn't you choose him
>>147081770
I don't think that the original plan for Zesty had Alisha as Sorey's love interest, though.
>>147081770
Even if Alisha had stayed though, likely Sorey would have bro-zoned her.
What did she mean by this?
>>147081882
>GODDAMN IT BABA WHY DID YOU DO THIS TO ME I'M GOING TO KILL YOU
>>147081882
She's a Komaedafag.
>>147081770
Even if Alisha was there, she would've gotten cucked by Mikleo. Heroine =/= love interest. Even if Alisha was BTFO, she could've still been plowed by Sorey and had 500 of his muppet children ala Tales romance. But that shit didn't happen because it likely was never intended to.
The question is, who would you rather fuck, Alisha, Mikleo or Rose?
For me it will beRose__
>>147082169
Baba pls
Velvet did nothing wrong
Is Lailah evil?
>>147082032
Considering how Alisha's story was meant to continue after Sorey went to sleep, it's likely that she wasn't wasn't given a love interest to keep her story open for such development in the future.
>>147082222
>Quads wasted in a trap
>>147082169
Shit taste as usual Baba.
>>147078637
give link pls
>>147082297
Mikleo's not a trap, he's a cute girl.
>>147082297
>not liking best girl
Anon
>>147082297
All I see is best girl.
>>147082169
Edna > all of them.
>>147082297
>wasted
>>147082325
>>147082328
>>147082418
All I see is closet homosexuals.
>>147082544
Anon please we're all little girls here.
>>147082544
Stop being gay, anon.
>>147082544
wrong!i'm a fujo.
>>147080059
>>147080272
CHoke the living shit outa her.
>>147080059
>no presea
>no meredy
>no elise
>no edna
At least you got farah i guess.
>>147080624
Farah is great.
Does Edna fuck Zaveid?
>>147082325
>>147082418
Mikleo is a cute boy you closet dyke fujo
>>147082322
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgiJlAk3Vx4
Magilou's "confession" at the beginning is funny too. I don't think any of the other party members aside from Velvet and Magilou have one, though.
>>147082715
He's next in line after Eizen, yes.
>>147080059
>no Judith
>no Rutee
>no Velvet
Meh/10
>>147082758
Best onii-chan!
>>147082726
Mikleo is my waifu!
>>147082954
Sorey please.
>>>147080102
>best Tales of potential harem
That would be Symphonia.
>>147082169
Zaveid desu.
>>147083013
I always wanted to start this, but never did. Should I now?
>>147083064
Why is he such a semen demon?
Why does everyone hate Rose?
>>147080102
>Zestiria
>best potential harem
Not even close. Rose is a villain-in-the-making, Alisha is a wallflower, Edna is a mini-bitch and Lailah is there. Not sure who I'd say had the best cast of girls but it wasn't Zestiria by a longshot.
>>147083082
Yes. Be forewarned that they rig it so that Collette wins unless you know what you're doing.
>>147083192
Beats me. I like her.
>>147083192
>>147083221
>confirmed for never playing the game
If you did, then you wouldn't be saying that.
>>147077015
>Giving the job of saving the word to psychopath
I hope you guys don't do this
>>147082990
Hair the color of pale aquamarine, skin so fair as to seem almost translucent, sophisticated violet eyes.
How could you call Mikleo anything but beautiful?
>>147083192
Because in the game she's a Mary Sue.
>>147083258
Rose is second only to Edna even in the game.
Alisha was pretty cool here.
Nice to see her retake her role as heroine for a bit.
>>147083216
And there's nothing wrong with that.
>>147083284
>>147083216
This is what I hate about any game that gives you a choice of potential romance options. They always have that one girl who is heavily favored that the game pushes you towards. If they are so desperate to make you go for the typical main girl then why give you a choice to begin with?That said Lloyd and Collette actually have the best chemistry out of his potential waifus.
>>147083369
Colette>Presea>Sheena>>>>>>Raine
Zelos>Regal>Kratos>>>>Genis
Why are half elves so shit?
>>147083202
This. Anyone who values a waifu from Zestiria is clearly just superficial or never played other Tales.
>>147083369
Collette a qt so it was alright. Another example of the inevitable childhood friend win.
>>147083360
>Edna
Not even a good character.
>>147083477
Sheena > Presea > Raine > Colette
You're right on the guys though.
>>147083488
I rank Colette last but she was ok for what she was. Also why do childhood friends rarely win in anime but always win in video games? Is it simply because in video games they don't' like to spend much time developing a relationship and just use the childhood friend thing as a means to easily establish their relationship?
>>147083477
>>>>>>>Raine
>>147083430
Yeah I hated how if you didn't want Colette to win, you pretty much had to take all of the choices of being a dick to her as much as you can. That said, it was also pretty easy to get Sheena's affection pretty high. You kind of had to try a little bit harder for Presea and Raine.Lloyd surprising fits well with all of the girls.
>>147083618
She's used goods
>>147083618
>liking used goods
>liking old hags
>>147083655
Genis a slut! A slut!
>>147083488
Fuck you got me, I only judged them by my dickdidn't even touch the game here
>>147083667
>>147083701
That just means she has experience and can /ss/ you good.
>>147082169
Would fuck and marry Lailah
>>147081164
>>147081396
Edna and Mibo are more in a sister-brother relationship.Edna needs a brother right now.
>>147083794
But she's dead anon.
I'm happy that she seem to have an actual role in the anime.
>>147083611
>Is it simply because in video games they don't' like to spend much time developing a relationship and just use the childhood friend thing as a means to easily establish their relationship?
Probably. There's also the fact that romance is an afterthought in most jrpgs, whereas in an anime it can become a larger aspect because you can pander to it more.
>>147083581
Ssh, you'll trigger the Ednafags who actually think being comedy relief brocon is being a 'good character'.
>>147083834
Yes, and?
>>147083655
Yeah Lloyd could potentially work with any of them. I just think he was ultimately the most compatible with Colette. He's a bit of a dumbass and goofball, which is something he and Colette play off of together.
On another note, for that reason I was glad Yuri didn't have a love interest. If he did it would obviously be Estelle because that's the cliche,even if he was better with Judith.
>>147083894
Why does she have hateboner for alisha?
>>147083948
We'll never know. A lot of material got cut.
>>147083900
But anon that's necrofilia.
>>147083981
Yes, and?
>>147083970
Hopefully we'l find out in the anime.
>>147083202
Berseria has the best female cast.
Velvet, Magilou and Eleanor are amazing
>>147084049
Not to mention even the guys are 10/10. Velvet had the best harem.
>>147084103
Berseria could've used another bishi like Oscar/Mikleo in the main cast, but otherwise, I agree.
>>147084049
I have heard very good things about it's cast in general, and and more inclined to reserve judgement till I can actually play it. That said what I've heard makes me expect Velvet to be one of my favorite girls in the franchise.
Do you think there will ever be a Tales character more retarded than Colette?
Keep in mind she thinks putting a bag of air on your head helps you breathe underwater.
>>147084103
I really liked how Rokurou and Eizen interacted a lot, the scene where they drink together is fucking great.
And of course Phi looking up to them and growing to be a MAN.
The cast of Berseria is perfect, absolutely no weak link
>>147083216
Good to know! Thanks anon!
>>147083655
Raine route sounds fun.
Berseria has the best side cast too.
I don't think anyone thought Dyle would have so much screentime when they first met him, in Zestiria he would have been killed by Rose first meeting probably
>>147084002
Well if you're into fucking corpses then you're welcome to it.
>>147084157
Are you me? That scene was so comfy yet bro as fuck.
>tfw you'll never drink with them and complain about women
>>147084140
Not really. Rokurou and Eizen are both pretty bishie and Laphicet is a ridiculously pretty shota. If anything it would need another girl, since they are probably more divisive in their looks than the guys.
>>147083667
>>147083701
Since when is she used goods?
>>147084219
Rose would've killed everyone if she was in Berseria.
>killed Rokuro for getting in her way
>killed Oscar for insulting her
>killed Eleanor for being the enemy
>killed Laphi, the other seraph shota, and Teresa
>killed Magilou forbetraying her
>killed Eizen when he was testing her
>killedthe real Laphiwithout realizing what was really going on
etc
>>147084140
Eizen is the cutest, he even does the nerd cuter than Mikleo and Sorey
>>147082728
Smug Velvet is the best.
>>147084460
It's the power of gap moe.
>look and act like an edgy stoic pirate
>actually a huge nerd
>>147084451
Rose is just perfect.
>>147084451
Rose has a good reason to kill them, so she's wouldn't be at fault.
It's finally time for Alisha to be erased from the show.
Good night sweet princess.
>>147084451
Correction Rose would have attempted to kill everyone she came across in Berseria, but she'd end up biting off more than she could chew and would be killed.
>>147084472
Velvet's "confession" was great. Especially when she completely honestly tells the priest about how she's killed tons of people and he has no idea how to respond.
The animation looks nice.
>>147084529
No her reasoning would be shit, just running around killing hellions won't solve the problem, ironically Artorius would probably end up killing Rose for being a danger to everyone around her.
>>147084628
Eizen mentions Beryl (Heart) in his, it was a nice easter egg
>>147084529
Murder is still murder. Berseria's cast is great because they're not huge moralfags about killing people.
Also, her way of thinking would not have solved Berseria's, and by extension, Zestiria's, problems. Malevolence would have continued to spread while Rose is busy genociding everyone because her ultimate solution would be "kill everyone because if everyone was dead there would be no malevolence".
>>147084351
Yeah, but Rokurou isn't that attractive even if I like his personality so him being substituted for a real bishi is no lost
>>147084427
She confirmed she didn't want to talk to the unicorn at lake umacy because she was "an adult"
Sheena got offended when Raine implied that Colette was the only girl who qualified.
>>147084663
>>147084712
Rose is right. She'd kill you guys too.
I forgot that this garbage was airing
Not that there are that many people watching anyway
>>147084712
the cast of Berseria is also great because they don't try to justify the shit they do with some greater good bullshit, on the contrary
Velvet knows very well that she does horrible shit for her own selfish reason and accept that.
>>147084712
Rose would probably end up spreading malevolence.
>>147084747
>Rokuro
>not attractive
He'd look better if his face was corrupted, but I think his personality makes up for it.
>>147084768
Baba where is your babysitter?
>>147084830
What if Rose somehow came back in a third game as an antagonist? Would that be the ultimate insult to Baba?
>>147084219
>Moana's only "clothes" are the corrupted/daemon tattoo-like things
>>147084772
Not even the people who watch this like it that much, it's just so much better than the game in comparison that people stick around thinking it won't get worst.
>>147084830
She doesn't generate any because she's a sociopath.
>>147084907
i think it'd be more likely that the antagonist would be her shepherd descendants. like some kid she raised to be the shepherd who was just completely warped by her way of thinking, or kids raised by those kids or something.
>>147084928
I also imagine at least a few haven't even played the game, and see this as a way around doing so.Only reason I've even watched it was for Berseria desu.
>>147084907
Only if they had Alisha in the party calling her out in her bullshit.
>>147083192
Game Rose is pretty shit, but anime Rose so far is fine.
>>147084961
No I meant that Rose would cause it in others.
>>147084628
The more I see about her the more I'm looking forward to play the game next year. She's great.
>>147085051
Which would prompt her to kill them. She'd eventually end up killing everyone.
>We couldn't save her smileAnd fuck you Melchior for that illusion of Velvet's hometown being safe and sound
>>147084907
The ultimate insult would be making a sequel and not mentioning or showing Rose once except for an optional tombstone to examine.
>>147084219
>those 3 top waifus
>>147085123
In Berseria verse that would just make her a target of both the villains and the heroes. Even Zaveid would gang up on her with the intention to kill.
That's why I say that Rose would attempt to kill everyone, because in reality they'd kill her.
>>147085201
The tombstone is in disrepair and the seraphim have forgotten about her.
>>147085211
>3
Which man is your third waifu, Aifread's otouto?
>>147085326
Just like Magilou's?
>>147085199
Velvet suffered so much. It's a wonder how she didn't end up becoming edgy mcedgy.
>>147085442
Velvet is an example that edgy isn't necessarily bad. She had every reason to be, yet her edge is generally directed at people that deserve it.
>>147085424
Except people actually remember Magilou and visit her grave.
>>147085505That's what I get for being a filthy secondary and never playing Zesty
>>147085612
It was an easy to miss side quest was just probably there for the future nod. Most people only know of it because it's how you get Sorey's alternate color, and because people prefer Sorey in black and red.
>>147082728
All party member have one.
>>147086432
I realized that when I read >>147084688. But the subber didn't add the other ones so I mistook him to mean it was just Velvet and Magiloueven though he literally said that everyone else had confessions
>>147083369
>And there's nothing wrong with that.
I want to give her hot cocoa
best ship
>>147086593
Don't you mean cold cocoa?
>>147084861
Rokurou is best boy!
>>147078637
Reminds me of Xillia 1 when Ivar and Jude fight while Milla was crippled.
She literally drags herself away on the ground rather than deal with their shit
>>147086814
The absolute madmanchops an Exorcist up into pieces and impales his hand on Shigure's sword to stop him from swinging it
>>147086939
Speaking of Xillia... I want a villain who will comment on the wacky accessories that the party can equip.
>>147086959
-And that's why he's best boy!
>tfw this is canon now
>>147082169
Would dress up Meebo as a girl and fuck her.
>>147083477
>>147083611
Marta > Colette > Sheena = Presea > Raine
>>147087255
I imagine Meebo might be used to that.
>>147087190
Excuse me. Best boy coming through.
I'm just so gay for Eizen.
>>147087862
Yeah! I already posted him already anon
>>147087190
>>147087862
They're both best boy. Seriously.
>>147087999
>>147087862
>>147084628
'
>tfw Berseria is the first Tales game where I actually really liked every party member.
Every other game has atleast one party member I either dislike or dont really give a shit about but not this one
>>147088069
no, we have to have 500+ posts of arguing who is best boy to really decide
>>147088231
The shota isn't shit?
>>147088258
The shota wants to be a man, looks up to two best boys and loves onee-samas. What's there to hate?
>>147087999
Haha literally who?
>>147083258
Played the game all the way through twice. Once to unlock Insane and the Lords of the Land at max, then the second time to min/max my armor on Insane Mode with triple stacked skills.
I liked Rose. To be honest, hating her just feels like a forced meme to me. She's no more of a Sue than Sorry in a game where pretty much everyone could be considered a Sue.
Well, everyone except Alishia. Man this game sure dumped on her hard.
>>147088296
He's taking advantage of Velvet to touch her velvets, fuck that little shit
>>147088418
Velvet wanted it. It's not rape if they both consent.
>>147088418
Clever little shit.
>>147088418
I still fail to see a reason to hate him.
>>147081696
hisa, nice!
>>147088517I can never self insert as a shota that's why
>>147088619
Isn't the point of /ss/ to self-insert as the girl?
>>147088619
>not self inserting as Velvet and imagining everyone gangbanging you
Too bad Laphi is family-zoned while the only one Velvet really loves is her brother Rafi.
If what I just read is right, then the traitor in Berseria is actuallyBienfuPeople are just gonna hate him more and more, aren't they?
>>147085339
>>147088845
It's to self insert as the future child of their raw fucking.
>>147089206
There's a traitor?
>>147089648
That's an actual girl desu. Fujos artstyles are so cancerous.
>>147089697
It's a Tales game. There's almost always a traitor, or at least someone who doesn't give a fuck about the party.
Magilou is a huge tsudere.
>She told you that the true name she gave Bienfu "Pushie Kas" means "pig-monkey"
>On the normin island one of the normin reveal thatit actually means "Cute hat"
>>147089747
It's called a trap anon don't be a newfag.
>>147082228
Except not fuck the shota, it's why the kid developed that oneechan obsession when he grew up and doomed the world.
>>147088258
Shota is probably the coolest party member, he mans up and becomes a protector of smiles who totally loves his oneechans.
>>147083430
>Not understanding that the trials are proportional to how great the girl is
You will never become a capturing god at this rate anon.
>>147090737
That's not a good trap then, that's just a chick. Why are fujos such dykes?
>>147091728
The entire point to a trap is that they don't look male, not that Mikleo was ever masculine to begin.
>>147092089
He looks boyish enough to not be considered a trap so he doesn't certify. Atleast up until the epilogue. He's like those bishi men from otome games.
>>147092157
epilogue Mikleo is a miracle of the universe.
>>147092703
>>147092669
are we doing Mikleo in dresses now?
Something about the way Rose was animated here was so weird.
It's as if the animators and the people behind the Zesty anime know that nobody liked her in the game so they had to make her even more obnoxious here.
Is the badass main girl from the island appear?
I want to spoon with Alisha and have her fall asleep in my arms.
>>147088258
He has one of the most badass moments in the game.
>>147093591
>Sorey's face
>>147089206
Don't worry. He redeems himself.
That was cute.
>>147096070
Lailah is the best.
I wonder why Rose is so fucked up a human being
>>147096272
Because when she was growing up she kept getting the Dezel inside her.
>that sound
MUH
Magilou's sidequest made me like her even more.She was abandoned by her parents because of her strange powers, picked up by band of magicians and abused by them so she would perform real magic, and give oracles. The troupe got famous because of her, but then the inquisitors found out about the little witch and tortured her. The carriage had an accident, and everyone died except for Magiranika - what's her real name. The girl was found by Exorcists, and Melchior, sensing the potential in her, adopted her. That's how she became a Mayvin, and took the pledge, what made her immortal. Even so, Melchior was training her to become a Legate Exorcist, what was also horribly painful. The girl suffered for good 20 years of her life, before she got around Grimo, after she failed an ordeal 10 years before Velvet's jailbreak, and got excommunicated from Abbey. Her ending in Titania was result of facing Melchior and Artorius on her own. [/spolier]
>>147096776
>>147096794
I rather Lailah's feet. They're classy and unbelievably sexy.
What did he mean by this?
>>147084628
That wasnt velvet confessing. It was Magilou
>>147097196
I think anon was talking about another confession. Magi doesn't say anything about killing people in her confession after all.
THE IRONY
How there are people liking her?
>>147096905
So... She was raped? Nice.
For being somehow who spent his whole life on a mountain far away from the human world troubles Sorey can be very based
>keep Baba away from anime production
>Tales of Zestiria already improved
Now make Alisha able to see and armatize with Seraphs and it's 10/10
You can do it Ufo
>>147097617
>Now make Alisha able to see and armatize with Seraphs and it's 10/10
Nah, fuck off. No need for that. In fact, the anime is dead to me if she armatizes even as a joke.
>>147097617
They should just kill Alisha there and then. A useless Princess that has many followers suddenly want to stop the war when the army has been deployed. Couldn't she just stop Bartlow back in her country? I'm sure a Merry sue princess will get what she whatever she wants, no matter the stages of the story.
Reminder the warmonger Hyland Kingdom is the true responsible of this Age of Calamity
>>147097722
>Couldn't she just stop Bartlow back in her country?
Alisha matter less than zero for Hyland politics, her authority ends outside her cavarly unit
She is just a symbol and Bartlow wants her assasinated only to falseflag Rolance for the murdering not because she can actually stop him at home
>>147097835
That's just the game. She seems to have more authority in the anime.
>>147097975
In the anime she has more personality and screentime but her authority and relevance for Hyland is the same.
>>147098033
No it's pretty clear she has more authority.
When?
Where's the hat guy that's in the OP ?
>>147098462
Inside Rose
>>147097668
You can have her armatize with Laila at the cost of all her resonance to kill Martran.
It would tie up her whole story nicely.
>>147098540
Will he ever show up? There are like 2 episodes left.
>>147098636
How are they going to fit the rest of the game in only 2 episodes? Are they going for an anime original ending?
>>147098636
2 episodes left +12 next cour
>>147081866
Yeah, I think I read somewhere that even in the jap wiki that goes in-depth to what they "discovered" was scrapped from the original game plan, Alisha still wasn't the love interest.
>>147083284
Sorey please.
Sorey x Rose is canon
deal with it
>>147098414
She needs a couple of Big Macs in her life goddamn.
>>147099041
There is no love interest in Zestiria.If there was,it would be Rose,not Alisha.Alisha barely shows up at all in the game,only at the beginning,some specific parts throughout the story and in the DLC.
>>147099083
They're so cute together. Almost like siblings. Siblings that eventually fuck. The cutest type of them all.
>>147092157
If Sorey was all >>147083284 on Mikleo before, imagine how dramatic he will be seeing Mikleo post-epilogue.
>>147093210
>dat miniskirt and ZR
>dat boyfriend sweater
>hands on hips and pelvis
>sitting on Sorey's lap
>hand holding
That's my favourite Crossdressing Mikleo pic.
>>147098692
How are there people that still don't know it's getting more episodes in 2017?
>>147099924
>yfw sales are shit and the second part doesn't happen
>>147092157
>Mikleo
>boyish
He's so feminine that the Nips literally call him a woman.
>>147097617
No that's unnecessary.
>>147098628
No it wouldn't, you're really obsessed about this.
>>147099137
>>147099153
>this delusion
Creators said that neither Rose or Alisha or any female for th day matter were ever intended to be seen as potential love interests. If they were going to give Sorey a female love interest then they'd be more likely to turn Mikleo into a girl. Because the girls were both designed to not fit well with Sorey.
>>147100234
It's way too late for that to happen.
OTP
>>147100837
More delusional than the anon who think that Sorey could be paired up with a female.
>>147097410
Because she's right. If you want peace, prepare for war.
>>147101105
delusional little faggot
>>147101402
>This projection.
>>147081667
You have to make her win, anon
>>147101360
I think that anon was talking about Rose. All her assassin bullshit is counter productive to world they live in.
>>147097668
>>147100360
The only way to make Alisha's armatization fit the story would be portraying it as part of Sorey's quest to bring humans and seraphs together, and training his Squires to eventually replace him and carry on with the mission as the new Shepherds. Making it personal about Lailah or Maltran wouldn't stand. Though obviously Lailah is the best fit for her.
Also it would allow for some badass battles with up to four armatized duos, if you add Sergei to the equation. This would make up for a neat team balance - Alisha and Sergei representing their kingdoms, and Rose representing the "third party" neutral force.
>>147101639
And letting Alisha and her non-aggressive stance in charge would have caused her nation to be crushed under the heels of the neighboring nations. It's the equivalent of letting Chamberlain remain in charge during WW2.
>>147100234
Sales are already projected to be shit right now. The issue is on if they already planned a two cour or not. If they didn't the smart move would be to stop it in this one cour.
>>147084293
Is this an indication that episode was good or an indication that everyone dropped the series?
>>147101944
There's a view count in that pic so we can probably guess from it. I'm not sure what's the view count for the last few episodes though.
>>147101798
Besides that being a stupid idea. That won't work, because even Berseria it's a skill for Shepherds and one that actually has negative connotations to it normally. Giving Sorey the ability is one thing, but giving it to another person is another. Besides considering how malevolence works that's highly unrecommended.
>>147096905
>what made her immortal
Then who was the grave?
>>147101864
Except that's not that they're in, it's the excuse that Bartlow is using but it's incorrect. Bartlow is just a war mongerer. What's going on over there is actually Sorey's problem.
In which episode is Alisha leaving?
>>147102131
>immortal
Her seraphim friends.
>>147080102
>>147080431
>>147081853
>people are still trying to force the homo meme
I just want actual fags and fujoshit to leave.
CUTE
The true heroine has arrived.
>>147102256
And if Sorey hadn't shown up, due to how strong Malevolence was, there would have been war regardless and her nation would have been crushed since she has prepared shit against another nation's military.
I want doujins! Doujins of Alisha femdomming Rose!
>>147102276
How can she leave if she never joined in the anime?
This is probably the best way to do things.
>>147097196
This >>147097349, Velvet's confession was in another video by the same guy. He only subbed Magilou's and Velvet's, though.
>>147103122
Sorey was literally raised to be the Shepherd they would have sent him out on his own. In fact trying to start would just make the natural disaster situation worse.
I think my favourite bit about episode 10 is Alicia's attitude towards the Scattered Bones. She's all "I have a war to stop. I do not have TIME for your bullshit. Fuck off."
>>147104551
And then she effortlessly gets the assassins to work for her at their other job. I can hardly believe this is the same Alisha that cried over Maltran's death. She's pulling off rather high level profligacy for one as pure as she is.
>>147103033
Go back in the basement Baba.
>>147105456
Being pure and being naiive aren't the same thing.
>>147103122
If the war had started the world likely been destroyed by the malevolence released from the war.
>>147102427
I should screenshot every complaint for when the epilogue airs.
>>147105624
I know, profligacy is more manipulation than nefariousness, though with how the preview skit went, she has that manipulative side too. She has good political instincts, and it shows.
>>147091728
Because they don't try to appeal to faggots.
>>147098137
It's a illusion created by the fact than anime alisha has a stronger spine than in the game.
>>147099137
Rose is meant as a deuteragonist. Not a love interest, anon.
>>147105865
>Rose
>duertagonist
Rose has no character arc or story of her own, she's irrelevant as far as plot goes. Rose made as Sorey foil nothing more than that.
>>147105865
I'd say with the way the anime is going Alisha is the deuteragonist.
>>147106756
Rose wasn't the duertagonist in the game either.
>>147106081
But no one really as an arc in this game.
She is a deuteragonist the way she is pushed by the game and gameplay. And by the DLC she takes on Sorey role as a shepard.
>>147106756
True.
AH LEE SHA
>>147107136
But they all have their own story. "Rose's story" isn't even hers its really just Dezel's story featuring Rose. The way how she's pushed in the game doesn't make her a duertagonist because again she's still irrelevant to the main story and has no story of her own, it just makes her the producer's favorite.
For her to be a duertagonist she'd actually need to be relevant.
>>147107136
Alisha's DLC isn't the main game, and a character's relevance or irrelevance in it doesn't change their status in Zestiria.
Reminder that Rose is the character everyone loves
>>147107604
Nice headcanon there Baba.
>>147107604
>>147107604
But that's Mikleo or Edna.
And Alisha one that the majority likes.
>>147104551
>>147105456
Was that scene in game?
>>147108274
Nope. Anime original.
Alicia has no tits or ass.
>>147107881
Even the normin are more liked than Rose.
>>147084157
Maybe I'm missing something, but didn't Eizen become a dragon? Is this set pre-zestiria?
>>147108629
Berseria is set like a thousand years before Zestiria, yes.
It goes a lot into the origins of Shepherds, Seraphim, Malevolence and the Lord of Calamity, etc.
>>147108629
>Is this set pre-zestiria?
Anon have you been living under a rock?
>>147108805
> Oh shit I've been living as a prisoner underground for three years and my clothes are basically a bunch of strips of cloth held together with spit and dried blood
> Better get a set of new clothes
> New clothes are just as torn and useless as the old set of clothes.
Sasuga Velveto.
>>147108932
>just gets some rags from the prison storeroom and a torn coat
She can't feel cold anyway
>>147107533
It's like saying the epilogue doesn't count.
>and a character's relevance or irrelevance in it doesn't change their status in Zestiria.
except that what deuteragonist mean; The second person the show revolves around.
I say it's Rose for the game, and Alisha for the anime. Both being too pushed in their respective media.
>>147107432
All I'm saying is that by the gameplay and story Sorey and her are constantly compared. That long cutscene after fighting the dragon when everyone show resolve before the final boss mostly focus on her and later on Sorey. She feels like she is intended as Sorey's equal. Not his rival, or sidekick, or love interest. Her being Baba's favourite, doesn't change that.
Zestiria story is mostly about purifying the world and the seraphim/human, and outside of Sorey sacrifying himself, Rose has the most impact on this as show in the good ending. And it's implied she become a leader of sort for future sheperds in Sorey absence.
>>147108932
It's not like she needs them anyway.
>>147077015
Because Lailah is too anachronistic to be trusted with that responsibility. Sorey is the Shepherd the world needed, which if Lailah hadn't spent 1000 years under a rock she would've known that instead of assuming her broken idea of what a Shepherd should be would have fixed anything. Rose would have failed from the start.
>>147108805
Metaphorically yes. I know next to nothing about it, and assumed it was a sequel because it came after. My bad.
>>147108732
And on a different note, I was never found of prequels. Even if you get the super special ending that makes everything alright, due to zestiria being the sequel, it's like you know it won't matter because world goes to shit.
Oh well, at least I like the concept of demons in the world; only seen it from the 2 berseria anime episodes I've seen so far though.
>>147102427
>salty hetfag bitching that their tired joke of what they think is 'love' isn't being pandered to
>>147109290
Eh, I mean no matter how much we like Eizen he becomes a dragon, so it just makes me want to avoid getting attached to him in the first place.
>>147109038
Are you the same anon that insists that an extra DLC campaign sold separately from the actual game itself has the same importance as said game itself, and can't recognize that they're two different stories?
>>147109038
>All I'm saying is that by the gameplay and story Sorey and her are constantly compared.
>This Delusion
>The girl he meets after that, Rose, is less of a 'heroine’ than Sorey’s 'foil’. Mikleo, Lailah and the others would tend to think about their problems the same way as Sorey does, so Rose is the character who views things differently, assisting Sorey who has just learned about his limits from his parting with Alisha. We made her into a character that, at the end of the story, you can see her accepting what Sorey leaves her with, and know that she will certainly continue it and keep it alive.
From the actual scripwriter himself.
Rose is compared to Sorey because she is a foil character nothing more nothing less, she doesn't have a story of her own merely exists to as an addition to Sorey's story. She is anything but Sorey's equal especially in the story. The producerfagging is the reason why she became so prominent, despite her irrelevance.
>>147108932
Be a good goy and buy the DLC.
>>147083221
>>147083360
>>147088415
Add me to the list I like her aswell.
Same goes for smug loli.
Also both world views Rose and Alisha have their pros and cons.
>>147109477
>can't recognize that they're two different stories
Are you that butthurt anon with no argument?
As much as I dislike paying content, the dlc, as shit as it was, was still presented as an epilogue and did fit in the timeline so fuck off.
>>147109882
heroine=/deuteragonist
Foils usually are deuteragonist for the contrast, however.
>you can see her accepting what Sorey leaves her with, and know that she will certainly continue it and keep it alive.
> he literally pass her the torch.
The result may be the work of producefagging, it doesn't change what we got in the end. She is presented as someone who could take the lead, but whose vision is the exact opposite of the protag. Which would lead to a bad end as she would do what every sheperds before her did, unlike Sorey.
>>147097617
Confirmed for one of the guys only being mad at Rose, because they did not get their overused princess FMC trope.
>>147097732
but Heldalf is from Rolance.
>>147103207
I would prefer EdnaxRose, alone for teh fact that they both would try to be the dominant one, but yours is also not bad.
>>147105731
What happens in the epilogue?
>>147108536
I prefer that way.
>>147110838
So you really are that Rosefag from a few threads back. Should have known. You're arguments are littered with delusion and headcanon. Well I don't have time to nor the patience to see just how far your delusion really goes.
>>147111193
Mikleo wins.
>>147111510
>You will never brush Mikleo's hair
Why live?
>>147110838
Foils aren't always duertagonists, they can just be side characters, in fact it's not uncommon for them to be side characters.
In order to be a duertagonsit though what you need to be is relevant to the plot, it's not about screentime, like your mistaking it to be, it's about relevance, and as you can see her only relevance is being opposite to Sorey and being a squire and helping him in his journey. However, the story isn't about her nor do they ever make it claim that it is.
Case in point pic related.
>>147111592
i wanna pet it.
>>147111693
Where is Berseria?
>>147111510
Mikleo was the best choice in the soreybowl.
>>147087231
Truly the best outcome
>>147111816
This is from before Berseria's release.
>>147111693
Tsese covers lie. Estelle has more chemistry with Rita than with Yuri and Yuri's special someone is Repede.
For those who have not played the game
what are your feelings towards the anime so far?
>>147112016
I feel that barely anything is happening.
>>147111839
there's no other choice, really.even if one of the girls had won Mikleo would have been tagging along with them anyway.
>>147111925
I agree but it's not about romantic relationships, it's about who's the hero and heroine. Sophie in tales of graces is also not the love interest but she's still the heroine, just like Estelle is not the love interest but she's still a heroine and the main female character as well. Same with TOX2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkdYVvnY7Rk
>husband
>>147083216
Collette makes the most sense either way, so I don't mind.
>>147103207
Your wish has been fulfilled. https://exhentai.org/g/897898/84c9338a0d/
>>147112016
It's incredibly slow. Very little has happened so far, and Sorey hasn't been set up properly. So far his motivation has been to learn about being a Shepherd and vaguely help people, but there's no thrust. He's going to a place to learn more about being a Shepherd because a book comes from there, but there's no clear goal, threat, or antagonist for his story yet. Plus there's no structure to what he's trying to do. One episode will be he encounters a dragon, so he purifies it. Then Lailah starts talking about what it means to purify humans, and then like minutes later he purifies a human. If this is the main narrative, it's shoddy as hell. I keep asking, okay, and then what?
So far I like Alisha the best. She's the one with a clearly established conflict and motivation, and she's making moves and struggling to achieve something.
>Dragons in-universe are evil
>Abbey accepted someone with last name Dragonia into their ranks and didn't tell him to change it
>>147109458
Eizen's arc in Berseria is all about him accepting his eventual fate but deciding he would rather spend limited time with his friends than eternity far away from humans.
He is far more likable than any other Tenzoku/seraphs in Zestiria
>>147102131She broke her oath 300 years before Zestiria took place, and died. The same happened to Mayvin.
>>147114899
Fuck, Zestiria is not canon.
How many episodes until they save Eizen?
>>147115578
She probably died doing what she believed.
>>147115643
it's probably going to be late next cour before they deal with Eizen.
>>147115727
Yes.
She grew to love humans, just as much as Eizen did.
>>147102276
Technically it would've been here. In the game, she was arrested for treason for bullshit reasons and the government dickbags use her freedom as a bargaining chip to force Sorey into fighting the war for them.
It seems like things are changing that Alisha might be at the war battlefield this time around.
>>147116132
Also she's still loved enough that she's still remembered and people still visit her grave.
>>147115643
>artist did their rendition of Eizen's death scene
>100x better than the Zestiria one
>>147103207
>Big Alisha tits
Whew. Beyond the Butakoma Edna set, I've never fapped to a Tales girl before.
When do they fuck?
>>147077015
>giving such role to a woman
hahahahaha
>>147078637
There are great moments with Zavied and one with Edna.
Game is great even on PS3. Only problem for me is all side quests are voiced by only 3-4 people with same voice.
>>147086601
i want Alisha to be the dom when Zesteria 2 comes out
>>147111945l-lewd
>>147119466
Imagine the doujins of Alisha starting out sub then switching to dom halfway through.
>>147119786
Will Rose become Alisha'ssub lord?
>>147120047
Yes...in bed
>>147111945
Why are Mikleo's hands so lewd. Hell, why is Mikleo so lewd?
>>147120242
Mikleo isn't lewd, Mikleo is pure.
The final episode of the Zesty anime will have a big cliffhanger ending to set-up the next season. I predict Alisha "dying".
>>147120242
Mikleo is only lewd for Sorey.
>>147120428
i predict Sorey getting his resonance fucked and losing his seraphim vision.
>>147120363
He maybe pure of heart but his body and face are lewd.
>>147120428
Zestiria is cancelled and the second cour is Berseria.
>>147120545
Correction only Sorey can enjoy Mikleo's lewdness.
>>147102086
Actually, in Berseria even low rankers exorcists with low natural resonance can armatize. Of course there is some heavy backlash, but for Alisha to armatice once to kill Maltran, it would be just fine and it wouldn't contradict Berseria.
> Zestiria anime gets announced
> Everybody shits on it instantly
> It's actually freaking goodATOS
I love how that turned out.
>>147121175
The reason why it wouldn't work is really because Alisha's story simply doesn't need it, also remember she still has a role to play after the story Maltran plot so she can't take that risk, because she can't be out of commission, and also remember the special circumstances in Berseria that allowed that to be possible in the first place that aren't true for Zestiria.
>>147120819
so there's definitely a doujin somewhere in Japan that's just Sorey with a harem of Mikleos, right?
>>147121314
It's really amazing what getting rid of one person can do.
>>147121314
It's really not, it had some good episodes like this one or Edna introduction but it's overall far too slow
>>147121314
The reason is becauseit's not following the game
>>147121367
I won't lie, I'm pretty excited for Berseria and the next Tales installment.
>>147121353
There's a doujin of him fucking both older and younger Mikleo at the same time. SoreyxMikleo doujins are not lacking in variety.
Why is he so perfect?
>>147121402
I don't find it that slow. Sure, when you know what happens in the game, you're left wondering how they'll wrap everything up with 14 episodes left, but as far as the anime is concerned, I like the pacing.
>>147121329
>The reason why it wouldn't work is really because Alisha's story simply doesn't need it
Of course she would need it. She has to face Maltra on her own. Fighting her beloved teacher would be too good a chance to develop her. Now way the writers are gonna pass on that, and she needs the power to defeat her. A once-time armatization would do just fine.
>remember the special circumstances in Berseria that allowed that to be possible
Sure but a squire contract is basically the same thing. Plus the anime has established that Alisha does have some resonance. It's not super high, but it's probably enough for a one-off.
>>147121459
>devoted
>supportive
>great cook
>smart
>starts out cute, grows up gorgeous>sophisticated violet eyes
>>147121367
Overbearing producers hold back so many things with their demands and changes. They hold too much power over a given project in Japanese media culture.
Damn I still don't know if I should pull the trigger. I would've prefered a Lailah fig, but what can you do.
Or maybe I should save up for some Berserias, but I heard Alter won't make Tales figs anymore, is that true?
>>147121629
Again she doesn't need it, if Alisha uses Armatization then she isn't fighting alone. Besides that it's better if bests her using her own strength, even if it's just through verbal BTFO, because it is a personal battle.
In this case it would actually take away from Alisha's character and importance of the conflict. And again remember Alisha can't afford to be put out of commission, at all.
Also I don't think that the anime has squire contracts. I know that you're kinda obsessed about the idea because Rose has it, becaue remember the skill was originally belonged solely to Sorey for a reason, Rose was given it because she was forced into the story.
>>147121781
I bet they will make one for Phi, he is getting more and more popular
>>147121692
>loving and caring with her family
>good with children
>great cook
>skilled fighter
>smart and levelheaded
>strong sense justice
>starts out cute, grows up gorgeous
>canonically beautiful long raven hair
>sophisticated amber eyes
Sorry, but he can't compete.
>>147122042
Fusion?
>>147121367
>It's really amazing what getting rid of one person can do.
You think like Rose.
>>147122042
Isn't she also an undead hellion who can't feel anything?
>>147122103
I didn't know how much I wanted this. Thank you, Anon.
>>147122103
>Mikleo with boobs
heresy.
>>147122154
All I'm suggesting is Baba getting fired, oh I'm sorry "promoted"
>>147122171
That doesn't make her any less lovable. Even though she herself cannot taste anything she still makes quiche and pudding for the party on one occasion.
>>147122171
She still has feelings, she just can't taste anything (except blood)
The whole gouma/hyouma/helions are just monsters with no feelings is just propaganda
>>147122042
Also
>best fucking voice presentation
Rina Satou deserves an award for this.
>>147122369
She doesn't feel cold or hot anymore too.
I like how much better the story is being handled than in the game
But if this is the revised, better way of telling the story, then it just proves how weak the story and characters are
Berseria only needed two episodes to make people excited for both the story and characters
Zestiria, being at 11 episodes (techinacally 9),
still feels pretty boring and slow
If Zestiria never had problems with it's story in the game, all we would be left with is a tales game with below average gameplay with a weak story and a set of weak characters
Everything is done better than the game, but it's not all that good even if we didn't have the game to compare it to
Mashima Hiro comments in the latest chapter of Fairy Tales
Berseria is interesting, really interesting. I couldn't stop crying during the second half of the game
He hated Zestiria due to Alicia leaving the team by the way
>>147084750
I thought that was an excuse to avoid going over a body of water, magic be damned?
>>147122480
Berseria just naturally moves at a faster pace while Zestiria is the opposite. Your enjoyment factor is dependent on whether or not you like slow paced stories. Ironically Zestiria the X would be better off as an RPG.
>>147122480
Zestiria's plot just boils down to a generic "chosen hero saves the world by defeating the big bad ancient evil" story while Berseria at least has the revenge story with the protagonist being on the seemingly evil side.
And in just the two episodes Berseria had, it already clearly established an overarching goal (kill Artorius) and motivation (because he killed Laphi) and how to achieve it (travel to the capital and probably fight a bunch of high ranked exorcists)
Meanwhile Sorey has some abstract goal like "making seraphs and humans live alongside each other again" he hasn't even made any progress in and then showing a bunch of episodes of him dicking around in Ladylake and now traveling around without a coherent plot thread while there are still these antagonists that only appeared in the first episode and were forgotten already. It really suffers from game pacing even though it changed a lot already.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/tales-of-zestiria-the-x/episode-6/.105146
>Velvet, while definitely a leading contender for badass female character of the season, doesn't appear to have a motivation beyond the tried-and-true “revenge,” making her story just a little less interesting than Sorey's.
>>147123642
>ANN
Sasuga.
I don't dislike Sorey but saying that "I want everyone to get along" is any less common than "I want revenge" is retarded.
>>147122683
>:Mashima Hiro: I couldn't stop crying during the second half of the game
My nigga.
>>147123642
What the fuck is Sorey's story? He doesn't really have a clear goal so far, he's just trying to achieve a state of being Jesus.
That's so stupid.
>>147122683
>hating a game just because some bitch left
The game was fucking shit in all aspects but it's stupid to have that as the reason why you hate a game. I can understand it as a reason for being mad at the developers for advertising it that way and switching it later, but not it ruining a game for someone entirely.
>>147124636
Why is it stupid to hate something due to entirely subjective reasons? It's not like he is a paid reviewer or anything.
>>147123035
>while Berseria at least has the revenge story with the protagonist being on the seemingly evil side.
Are you implying that Berseria isn't as generic and cliche as Zestiria? Because if you are then I want whatever you're having. It's the good stuff. It has to be.
>>147123642
>>147124509
The root of both stories is boring as fuck. But that's pretty normal for Tales game. They have shit for stories. Not defending them but I wouldn't go into a Hollywood action movie expecting a full-fledged documentary. I keep my expectations in check.
I don't know why people keep acting like Zestiria or Berseria are literary masterpieces. They're both shit.
>>147125978
Say the guy who didn't play Berseria
>>147125522
>Are you implying that Berseria isn't as generic and cliche as Zestiria?
Everything is a cliche at this point, anon. The point is what you do with those tropes. Berseria takes that stuff and makes a pretty interesting and entertaining story. Zestiria doesn't do shit.
>>147125978
Your taste is shit.
>>147125978
Beseria might be generic but it's done well with a great cast. Zestiria just boring and doesn't do shit with its story and characters.
>>147126057
>>147126162
It's the same fucking formula and you don't need to go that far to realize it. How's the final battle talk between the party/antagonist? Pretty much the same format as it's been for more than a decade. Probably more than that but I can't remember shit before Symphonia.To be fair, Zestiria did break away from that a bit but that's mostly because it had an absolutely laughable pile of shit for a final boss in Kitty Beard.
>>147126506
Stop being such a try hard, I played Berseria and you didn't, why the fuck do you need to argue against something you didn't play?
>>147126506
With that arguement, everything follows some formula. Did you actually watch the final battle in Berseria? It's much darker than previous Tales. Something can follow a formula and still be good.
>>147126590
>everything follows some formula.
Not really but I guess we agree on this series. That's good enough.
And edgy lipstick on a pig is still lipstick on a pig which in turn is still a pig. But hey, at least there's an extra layer in there.
JRPG storytelling innovations. Do not steal.
>>147127169
The only edgy tryhard here is you
>>147127169
Have you ever heard of the hero's journey? Literally everything can be pared down to a simple formula. Again, it's not a bad thing since humankind has been telling stories like this since forever.
Anyways, why don't you play Berseria first before shitposting about how bad it is.
>Berseria talk
Get the fuck out of /a/ you fucking crossboarding filth.
>>147127697
You forgot comma, you fucking ESL.
>>147090401
Kratos, Zelos and Raven come to mind. Is the traitor in Graces Richard or little brother(early into grown up part at least)?
>>147124636
I get the gripes with the game:
- Amatization being way too good
- A weapon system too tedious to both read and maximize
- not much character progression outside of Alisha suffering
- having Rose as a really, really weird foil/friend. I mean, why would I get someone chummy half of the time and would casually say she'd kill me the other half?
Alisha's equipment not being removed in future store was icing on the cake
>>147127960
The alien girl, I say.
>>147128000
That is the tsun!
Why is Rose so perfect, /a/?
>>147120785
>>147099924
Best thing about there being another season next year is that Berseria will be released outside Japan by then. There will be a 1000% increase in shitposting and over analysis of it to make it look bad. Just like Zestiria.
Rejoice.
>>147122000
Rose was given it for gameplay reasons not game story reasons.
>>147077015
She did.
>>147128535
It's not happening in Japan, it won't happen in the West
>>147122042
why does her ahoge die along with her innocence?
>>147103611
Link to confession video?
Also I don't know how Velvet would feel about Alisha's "Vengeance is never justified/if you kill the enemy they win" stance
>>147129835
She'd probably point out the hypocrisy in her belief by bringing up Maltran's death. I hate it when they pull the "if you kill them you'll just be like them!" argument.
>>147122103
I recognize that art.
>>147129911
Not to mention, in Artorius' case, there was no way of stopping him other than killing him. Alisha would've probably tried to fix everything by talking, but not everyone is receptive to negotiations.
Since Alisha and Rose are paired up in the anime Rose will learn to kill less and Alisha will learn to kill more.
Are Berseriafags really getting so pissed off that not everyone likes their game or wants to hear about it?
>>147124636
One of the reasons he hated the game was that he bought DLC costumes specifically for Alisha. And then she just left.
Was Alisha pissing all over Rose's face in the game?
>>147130168
that would be the best direction to take for their dynamic
>>147130232
Hmm? The only downside to the game so far is that it sold less than Zesty, but that was expected because a game always sells based on the reception of its predecessor
>>147130092
Probably not actually, remember Maltran attempted to kill Alisha and then killed herself on Alisha's spear. When Alisha fought back against her it was in self defense. Also Alisha while not a sociopath like Rose, is also never claimed to be a pacifist either.
>>147130369
No I mean how Berseriafags are complaining about how not everyone likes it or is interested in their game.
>>147130442
I think you're making arguments against phantoms, buddy
>>147130442
No one said that. Some anons made broad claims about the game being shit when they've never watched/played it so of course people are going to respond to that.
>>147130369
>The only downside to the game so far is that it sold less than Zesty
Zestiria did 340k and then sales dropped completely. Berseria is already above 310k in its third weak and still in the ranking and selling pretty well. It might surpass Zestiria soon.
>>147128588
Her game play excuse is why she was forced into the plot to begin with. Though to be honest having more than one person who could armatize was unnecessary. It should have been used like chromatus mechanic in Xillia 2.
>>147130521
Anon
>>147127552
>>147126549
>>147126590
>>147126162
If someone doesn't like the game or isn't interested in it big whoop. Though seriously if you want to talk about Berseria as stated many times before just make a thread on /v/.
>>147130991
Did you not read the post those threads are referencing? That anon explicitly stated that he never viewed Berseria firsthand, other than maybe the 2 episodes in the anime.
>>147130064
Funny I never realized how much Mikleo looks like Tear.
>>147131069
Yeah and from those 2 episodes he's not interested in it, so what? He's not interested in Berseria, get over it, your whining like a child.
>>147131223
>whining like a child
Takes one to know one doesn't it? No one was whining other than the anon who was offended that people liked something he disliked? No one ever stated Berseria was a masterpiece.
>>147131341
I think that you were talking to multiple anon, and you're no better than him.
>>147131597
All of them should shut up already.
Getting back on track, what do you people believe that UFO plans to do with Alisha and Rose now?
>>147131769
They're going to make Alisha a Merry sue and Rose will suck Alisha's futacock.
>>147131889
I would hate it but the irony would kill Baba, so all good?
>>147131889
>more mary sues
No thanks. The last thing Zestiria needs is more sucking up to one character. They should show Alisha how her idealistic values don't float in real life and how she adapts to that.But let's be real that'll never happen since it's a Tales game.
>>147132124
Problem is that Alisha's ideals aren't wrong since Rolance doesn't really want a war either. The only ones who are fighting for the war are the old fogies (which is why it was Bartlow was displayed as an obvious villain).
Besides that Alisha will just end up suffering again, when her mother figure tries to kill her.
>>147132563
>Besides that Alisha will just end up suffering again, when her mother figure tries to kill her.
Why does Maltran want to kill her anyway?
>>147131889
It's early to say she will be a mary sue. She has been fate's bitch so far, and the only thing she did besides finding the shepherd was making Rose her bitch.
>>147122683
How much he got paid for that ad?
>>147133645
Considering he is famous for shitting on some games in these comments at time, he is definitely free to write whatever he wants
>>147132717
No one will ever know because it got cut out due to Baba shoehorning Rose at the last minute.
>>147133807
Really? Maltran just goes "I'm going to kill you, Alisha" without even explaining her reasoning for it?
>>147133901
Yup. Basically "surprise I'm actually working for the bad guy and you're no longer a convenient pawn so I'm going to kill you".You would know this if you played the game.
>>147133901
Yup, they even tell you that she's a hell ion and works for Hedalf, but they never went into it.
>>147133901
She did it because Heldalf told her too, and that's about it. She has one line before she dies implying that the whole thing was secretly a test to make Alisha stronger though.
>>147133970
I tried but my toasted said "no, you won't."
>>147134017
That doesn't really works without a proper set up. Which I'm guessing it didn't have, right?
>>147134017
This sounds pretty fucking retarded. I hope the anime will improve this whole thing. Explain why Maltran is working for Heldalf in the first place and such.
>>147133988
we never learned WHY she works for Heldalf either, did we? her becoming a hellion at least makes sense, but you learn about that from a text-only NPC.
she could have been a cool example of a functioning hellion in society, too, if it hadn't been for that pesky Baba and his Alisha bullying agenda.
>>147134087
Nope we never find out anything about her other than how she became a hellion.
>>147134087
The set-up is great. There's a guy with a super powerful magical evil sword that you kill and Maltran shows up and goes "bwahaha, thanks for killing that guy for me, now I will take his sword and kill that annoying princess once and for all!" then Sorey goes "meh I'm sure she'll be fine, let's just ignore this" and if you decide to do the OPTIONAL SIDEQUEST after Maltran has told you explicitly that she is going to kill Alisha right away to warn Alisha about Maltran the characters decide not to because telling her that her mother figure is CURRENTLY ATTEMPTING TO KILL HER would make Alisha sad, so they just ignore it for like 10 hours of story until the main quest forces you to go through with it.
>>147134135
Not to mention why she stole that cursed sword from the Water Temple or why she was at the Water Temple at all. Goddamn it Baba.
>>147129835
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1PzHFb1Pms
It's around 10:40.
>>147134017
i don't think that's strongly implied. it seemed to me though that maltran was conflicted about it and perhaps even developed a motherly love/respect for alisha, ESPECIALLY for her ability to persevere despite all the roadblocks placed in her way. of course this is hard to pick up when maltrans final speech was basically her bitching out alisha and saying how much she hates her hypocrisy.
>>147134213
>tfw all those dropped side quests
>tfw they made you go collect all those memory gems
>tfw you spent way too long in the damn Water Temple because you kept getting teleported back
>>147134213
That's fucking terrible. Like, Game Sorey doesn't gives a shit about Alisha or something. Wasn't their relationship supposed to be like siblings? What the hell, Baba?
>>147134132
>functioning hellion in society
Does Zestiria seriously have none of those? That sounds so weird considering Berseria has quite a few of them.
>>147134391
There's three or four people that are hellions functioning totally normally in society until Sorey shows up and they try to kill him
>>147134365
They never become "true nakama" in the games because get this, Alisha doesn't have high resonance and gives Sorey AIDS.
>>147134391
They are just monsters that need to be purified or killed asap
>>147134391
A few of them actually.
>>147134391
They probably ditched that idea since it would've conflicted with Rose's philosophy of "all hellions are bad and need to be killed".
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>>147134217
speaking of that sword, the way she talked about the weapon she was given in the latest episode made me think they'd shifted that around and she received it early from offscreen, but unless it's going to magically change appearance when surrounded by muhelvolence it's not the same one.
>>147134365
they really didn't get the chance to become that close in the game. i get the impression that Sorey was trying to protect her, at least, so his intentions were good, but it was a really stupid decision. the fact that the rest of the party backed him up on it, and the seraphim generally make bad decisions in Zestiria, just enforces it being a really stupid call.
>>147134391
every single human hellion you meet in Zestiria is portrayed as badwrong and they all come to a terrible end, usually because of Sorey, ESPECIALLY if they're children.
>>147134477
>Sorey shows sympathy towards hellions
>Rose: just kill them
>Lailah:why can't you be more like Rose
>Mikleo:b-but
>party: shut up, Mikleo
>>147134634
i think the Forton sisters sidequest was the worst for this because Sorey wanted so badly to purify them, though the two kid-hellion sidequests were also really terrible.
was there any sidequest chain in Zestiria that didn't end in someone dying terribly or running away from Sorey screaming?
>>147134348
They could have had you find out the information organically but then Rose wouldn't be allowed to shine.
>>147134634
The most autistic way of thinking Rose
sigh
I feel bad for Sorey
>>147134699
Now that I think about it, no. It always ended up like how >>147134634 said it would. Poor Sorey. He just wanted to save everyone but got stuck with a serial killer.
>>147134634
>Lailah: why can't you be more like Rose
Lailah's boner for psychos knows no bounds, huh?
>>147134699
Sorey doesn't want to kill off he doesn't have to, it would be good if that plot went somewhere but it didn't. It's never allowed to have any resolution because God forbid Sorey actually saves someone instead of moving to kill them.
>>147134821
>>147134820
At least Sorey eventually succeeded in unfucking despite Lailah and Rose being unhelpful as fuck.
>>147134832
i think there's ONE quest where you actually purify this little bratty kid hellion who was a pickpocket, so it seems like Sorey gets to FINALLY save someone, but if you go back later to check on him (pretty sure it's optional, can't remember), the little bastard returned to his life of crime, stole from the wrong person and got stabbed to death in a back alley.
and for even more Sorey kicking, though it ends 'happily' for Zestiria, the party hears a rumor about a historian or archaeologist, which really excites Sorey and Mikleo, so they go into a little side dungeon to meet him. but he's being attacked by a hellion, so you fight/purify it, but the shepherd light show freaks out the historian guy so much he runs away from Sorey screaming afterwards. it was one of the worst moments, i think, i felt so bad for him there.
>>147135089
Yes, and wasn't his group the ones that got murdered horribly by their friend in the ruins?
>>147135040
Sorey, the hero who saved the world not because his companions but despite of them.
>>147135141
No wonder Mikleo leaves them. I wonder if he just got tired of their shit without Sorey there as an excuse to stay couldn't be bothered with them.
>>147135089
Holy shit I totally forgot about all of that. Do you think they'll keep all of the suffering in the anime or will they change it? I don't think I can watch Sorey's smile being ruined like that again.
>>147135267
He and Zaveid go fuck off to Camlann to seal Sorey's resting place instead of being there for Alisha and Rose's catfight in Episode Alisha (which even Lailah and Edna don't give a shit about).
>>147135089
And to make matters worse he isn't even able to enjoy his eternity with Mikleo because they still gotta clean up the messes of other people.
>>147135343
Nah I wonder if he just left the group all together and had Uno take over for him.
>>147135343
Damn Zaveid confirmed for being best bro.
>>147135126
the kid? no, that was a completely different group of kids that met a terrible end. the ruins/forest kids were the ones that tried to ambush Sorey and Rose for supplies right when Rose joins because they were desperate and she threatened to kill them for it (the kid from that picture floating around with Rose holding a knife to a kid's throat is from this group). those kids were just orphans struggling to survive, it was really sad. Lastonbel couldn't/wouldn't take them in and some asshole adult exploited them and left them all to die and take the blame for his shit.
the Ladylake kids were just little shitheads who found it easier to pick pockets than try to do honest work. even when given a second chance they still chose crime.
>>147135329
i really hope they don't keep it in, the sidequests in Zestiria were soul crushing. if they need more material i hope they just do a hot spring/sauna filler episode instead of dipping into all the child murder.
>>147135445
I'd imagine. In the game, the cast isn't particularly close and I'd imagine that they'd go separate ways after journey's end. DLC pretty much supports this too.
It's really not beneficial for anyone of them to stay together, especially when their goals were never aligned outside of saving the world. It's another reason I scoff when people say 'b-but Zestiria's cast interactions were great!' cause they really weren't.
>>147135451
Zaveid has always been best bro
>>147135455
Oh shit, right... There was so much child murder and general insanity in the sidequests they all run together.
>>147135549
Zestira's best character interactions were all in the DLC, and even then it's only between Sorey, Mikleo, Zaveid and Dezel.
The team just never had any bonding scenes where they came together as a group. Camlann could have been it but that got ruined almost immediately.
Rose is perfect. The anime should be all about Rose. Here are some suggestions on how to improve the anime. One, Rose needs to be louder, angrier, and have access to an armatizing machine. Two, whenever Rose is not on screen, all the other characters should be asking "Where's Rose"?
>>147135743
>those DLC skits that show comfy bonding time between Dezel, Zavied, Alisha, Mikleo, and Sorey
>all that wasted potential comfiness
Babaaaaaaaaaaa
>>147135343
The Alisha manga is fucking hilarious in this area, because in the manga because everyone in the group gives a shit about each other except for Rose, except for Rose, they even imply that even Alisha could understand Sorey better than her.
>>147135743
the two most blatant offenders in the 'didn't connect to the rest of the party' contest are Rose and Lailah without question. Zaveid had generally good interactions with the whole cast and if he'd joined earlier i think could have done more to bring them together. Edna seemed (to me) to be genuinely fond of Sorey and Mikleo in a bullying big sister sort of way. Dezel's skitswhile he was alivewere really the only good ones that included Rose.
but Rose and Lailah? Rose couldn't connect because she was on a pedestal the whole game. Lailah never opened up, instead she'd start doing her 'lalala i can't talk about it' thing or she'd make puns.
>>147135838
It's because Rose was forced in as the "moodmaker" who keeps the group together, but as Nips describe her she's more of a mood killer.
>>147135954
What kills me is that Dezel even calls out Lailah on the fact that she's holding back information and that she couldn't be trusted because of it. It's hilarious because he's right in more ways than one.
>>147135954
It's hilarious when people try to say that Rose was close to the group or that Lailah is the mom, because neither of them were close to anyone. Hell even Dezel has moments and skits where he tries to opens up or tries to help the others.
>>147136461
it's almost a shame he died. i prefer Zaveid to Dezel but he was probably the only party member that might have stood up to Lailah. Sorey and Mikleo might as well be innocent babies and they were raised by seraphim, they're not going to question her. Alisha worshipped seraphs too much to do it while she was around, maybe she would have later if she'd stayed. Edna and Zaveid are too chummy with Lailah to ever call her out. and Rose agrees with Lailah too much.
>>147136599
i think Lailah COULD have been the team mom if she'd actually opened up, but she's more like the quirky aunt that nobody knows that well and you only see during the holidays.
>>147136759
Yup, and it didn't help that Lailah's bullshit with constantly comparing Sorey to Rose, just killed the group dynamic. As you could see Sorey and Mikleo basically becoming more and more distant from the rest of the party, and you really couldn't blame them. And even worse there was never a section that had anyone call her out on her bullshit mistakes on how she fucked over Michael so that she could lose her arrogance and belief in the idea that she knows best. It feels as though if Zaveid was around he'd call her out on the fact that she fucked up, and her hiding things is only making things worse.
Dezel, Zaveid, Mikleo and Sorey felt like they would be friends. Mikleo and Sorey are the only ones to were close everyone else were just acquaintances.
>>147135807
Okay Baba. I think you've had enough today
>>147137004
>you could see Sorey and Mikleo basically becoming more and more distant from the rest of the party
this made me really sad as the game went on. it also didn't help that the rest of the party picked on them nonstop whenever the two of them took a break to talk about their passion, history.
Dezel, for all he seems like he should be an annoying edgelord character, had the potential to be a great character. if he hadn't been so wrapped up in Rose things might have been different. fuck, he even died because of her.