http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-09-10/cultural-critic-hiroki-azuma-shin-godzilla-your-name-signify-end-of-an-age/.106281
>I completely agree with Watanabe's analysis that the imaginative power of sekai-kei and bishōjo games earned a peculiar national popularity by providing protagonists with satisfying personal lives. But I am not optimistic about what comes next. your name. seemed less like the beginning of an era than the ending of another. To put it simply, watching Shin Godzilla and your name., I felt that the otaku (geek) era had ended. The imaginations of the first-generation Gainax otaku and the second-generation sekai-kei otaku have simultaneously matured and reached personal satisfaction, and that special otaku aimlessness and hopelessness vanished entirely. That might be good and it might be bad. In any case, as someone born in 1971 who's been watching otaku media all my life, I think this year will be looked back on as a turning point, and as I go through life my various emotions intensify.
(Sekai-kei meaning stories where the fate of the world or similar issue hangs on the fate of the main characters' relationship)
Is he right? Note that he's not saying otaku are evil and dead, he's saying that this generation may be over and we may be on the cusp of a new one, be that good or bad
>>147052380
Literally who
It's now the 3DCG age
>>147052447
>He is an associate of Takashi Murakami and the Superflat movement.
A lolicon.
>>147052447
Popular Japanese culture critic
>Azuma launched his career as a literary critic in 1993 with a postmodern style influenced by leading Japanese critics Kojin Karatani and Akira Asada. In the late 1990s, Azuma began examining various pop phenomena, especially the emerging otaku/Internet/video game culture, and became widely known as an advocate of the thoughts of a new generation of Japanese. He is interested in the transformation of the Japanese literary imagination under its current “otaku-ization.”
>>147052380
>Hiroki Azuma, a cultural critic and developer of the original story for Fractale
>developer of the original story for Fractale
>Fractale
And into the bin it goes.
>>147052380
i wish people who took anime seriously as some sort of evolving art form would die
it's fucking cartoons that are fun to watch and make money, get your fucking head out of your ass
>>147052534
absolute ideology
Is "your name" that revolutionary? I'm waiting for the BD so I haven't seen the chink leak.
>>147052525
>Both Azuma and Yamakan have commented on Kimi no na wa
>>147052534
It's more of the effect anime tends to have on the audience and it's culture than the anime itself. Though he's also talking about Shin Godzilla
>(Sekai-kei meaning stories where the fate of the world or similar issue hangs on the fate of the main characters' relationship)
That's something new. I always felt that having this factor made me care about and be more interested in the characters' interactions, as well as making them easier to write. On the other hand, when people like Shinkai try to make movies about character drama all I find myself thinking is "Why the fuck should I care about this dumb shit".
If we're truly moving into an era of anime which don't try to hide from the fact that all our lives are meaningless and boring I fear for the innovativeness and creativity of the new generation.
I just watched pic related recently and one of the reasons I liked it so much was because it combined so-called sekai-kei with the fast paced direction and animation studios can do these days. Same reason why anime like CG and TTGL are popular on /a/ whereas anime focusing on personal drama and NTR shit get a smaller viewerbase.
>>147052552
I really don't think it'll be. Judging from Shinkai's past record, it'll just be another masturbatory movie where he tries to force his inadequacies onto the viewer.
>>147052534
Professional critics are infected with the old man yelling at clouds syndrome. I am getting up there in age, and find myself doing the same shit.
Anime is entertainment at the end of the day, your post is 100% correct.
>Grew up in the first otaku age
>Started the second otaku age
>May be one of the originators of the third otaku age
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO CAN EVEN POSSIBLY CONTROL OUR BOY ANNO
>>147052503
>Superflat movement
This sounds awesome.
>>147052615
All hail
>>147052615
What Anno are we talking about ?
>>147052380
>Hiroki Azuma
People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
>>147052656
The """master"""
>>147052665
He's not throwing stones though
>>147052534
Eh, but the industry is visibly evolving. Quite a number of long-running manga ending (including two of the Big 3), lowering BD sales, more exposure to the western market, Cool Japan finally kicking into high gear with 2020 Olympics coming. I'm personally excited.
what?
I can't hear him
>>147052524
>postmodern style
No, thanks.
>>147052678
I didn't actually read the post, I'm just here to pretend to be upset by nothing in order to get replies.
>>147052677
>"""
>>147052380
>Otaku don't have to be your audience anymore. Otaku are OVER
>>147052704
>lowering BD sales
Just because this year was shit for anime doesn't mean BD sales got lower
What the fuck happened, /a/? The ANN forum thread has better discussion.
>>147052756
Then do so on a board that doesn't matter. >>>/v/
>>147052447
One of Fractale's creators.
He was Yamakan's friend.
Hates K-on!.
>>147052717
Boob push-ups?
I didn't know that was a thing.
>>147052777
nice
>>147052775
>>>/ann/
>>147052380
MANIME WINS AGAIN BABY
BOOYAH
Give the guy a break lads. He along with a number of other revolutionary individuals introduced the most important unit of measurement for anime BD/DVD sales.
>>147052380
>I felt that the otaku (geek) era had ended
How can one person be this deluded.
>>147052775
You mean a shitty forum likes talking seriously about unimportant and trivial topics?
What a shock.
>>147052809
>gojira in 3DPD
>your name.
>manime
I don't have a reaction face smug enough for this post
>>147052775
There's nothing to discuss. Cultural critics are fucking worthless and should be ignored.
Wait, so this guy hates otaku?? Man fuck that, he got a twitter or something, I'd like to take this ass hole ON!
>>147052877
Fuck off.
>>147052891
Why would you respond to such low quality bait?
>>147052524
>culture critic
He should get a real job.
>>147052605
>some sort of evolving art form would die
Take cinema, music and painting for example, they are all forms of entertainment yet they are all regarded as form of art as well. Just because a media is for entertainment doesn't mean that it can't be art. Actually, it's because it is entertainment that it can become art.
>>147052915
I like it up the ass.
>>147052775
>ann takes this shit seriously and actually believes it might be the end of the otaku age
Yeah right, I'd rather stay here.
>>147052717
what sounds are those tits making?
>>147052380
Personally, I think that a show like Re:Zero would fit that bill.
>>147052925
oops meant to reply to>>147052534
>>147052928
I bet you suck dick too
>>147052915
>>147052928
Are you me?
>>147052380
>special otaku aimlessness and hopelessness
Aren't they all still rather aimless and don't know what they really want?
>>147052925
>Take cinema,
Hollywood is functionally dead.
>>147052954
Sucking feminine dicks isn't gay.
>>147052949
Personally, I think that show's going to get forgotten 6 months after it ends
>>147052948
They're cussing in cute voices.
>>147052677
>>147052615
As expected of the master
>>147052380
That look on his face really pisses me off, for some reason.
>>147052380
I fucking hope so.
>>147053031
He looks like western millennials look.
>>147053031
He has the "I'm full of shit and you cannot debate me" look going on.
Yes I am projecting by the way before anyone calls me out on my shit
>>147053000
looks like shit to be honest
>>147052782
Just one of those alone would be enough to invalidate his opinions entirely. He went for the triple whammy.
>>147053075
Nice projecting.
>>147052380
KinoAni will usher in the next era of anime.
>>147053091
Thanks
>>147053124
>not MadokAni
opinion discAni
I would love for the current Otaku/Geek "culture" to die out. It being more main stream was kind of cool for a while but there is more money making decisions being made than creative ones, it needs balance out again.
I feel anime is already loosing major popularity in the west compared to the last 5 years. I could be wrong though. I am getting more out of touch with what is popular the older I get.
>>147052534
But they stop being entertaining once they stop evolving. There's a limited amount of same-shit you can stand before you get bored of it.
>>147053289
You underestimate my autism.
>>147052782
>Hates K-on!.
He's my enemy now
I woldn't mind if he hated any other moe show, but K-on is sacred.
>>147052534
I wish you and people like you would die right now. You are everything lowbrow and wrong with the industry. The otaku equivalent of a Bayformer fanboy.
Absolutely disgusting.
>>147053289
I am not you, I get entertained by the most inane shit, I will forever have entertainment to look forward to.
>>147052380
How much money did Anno give him again?
First Murakami and now him, this is getting ridiculous, his very comment is the proof that the Otaku culture is far from disappearing, especially when all the big names can't stop from chocking on Anno's dick every time he does something, after more than thirty years.
This repulsive show of deference and self wallowing is precisely the sign of the lowest of the low Otaku, fuck, Murakami himself has no problem realizing this, why can't you Azuma? Why can't you actually do something instead of just talking about it? I see hordes of old guard Otaku praise Anno and to a degree Shinkai for their recent stuff and yet all they do is talk about vague and nebulous ideas regarding movie direction and pretentious philosophical ideas and pop culture reference in the equivalent of b-movies, it's like if someone in the west woke up all of a sudden and began praising movies like Furio as the gift to cinema and visual media.
It's so utterly pathetic only purebred Otaku can fall this low without realizing how ridiculous they sound.
>>147052704
>>147052925
>>147053289
>>147053363
please find meaning in another facet of life and stop trying to make japanese cartoons more than they are
>>147053410
They are basically the SJW of the Japanese media industry; self-hating people who wanted to be adored by the masses, especially from the fairer sex and falsely believe that the state of industry is the one stopping that from happening.
>>147052534
To some extent I agree. I don't understand why people tend to seek "art value" of some sorts in anything they like. They also shouldn't always borrow from those that are considered art like movies to seek respect.
Any form of media would be better off evolving in direction that exploits what it can give to its audience in its own way, and yes, even it means overabundance of moe shit.
>VR maturing
>AI getting better by days
You mean the waifu age?
>>147053229
>losing major popularity in the west
good amerifats should stick to their own cartoons
>>147052380
>sekai-kei
I read that as isekai at first.
>>147052380
>(Sekai-kei meaning stories where the fate of the world or similar issue hangs on the fate of the main characters' relationship)
What? Like that Conception game?
>>147054283
I read it as keit-ai
>>147053337
>Hates K-on!
My opinion of him has slighly risen now.
>>147052380
What the fuck is this guy talking about?
>>147052782
>Hates K-on!
this guy is a enlightened one
>>147054283
>isekai wish fulfillment is thriving
>otaku era is over
Sure.
>>147052809
>>147052782
Any friend of Yamakan is a friend of mine.
>>147054489
Go back to saving anime, Mr 883.
>>147054342
I don't know but he sounds like a fag
What's a good example of Sekai-kei anime?
Sounds like your typical contrarian f/a/ggot. Into the trash he goes.
>>147054591
I'd guess something like Girl who Leapt through Time or Patema Inverted
>>147054591
battle harems
>>147054591
Iriya no Sora
>>147053229
Yes, you're wrong, because this is just the beginning of yet more increase in popularity. Netflix getting in on this shit and actually trying to introduce it to a more mainstream audience is the best prove of this.
I honestly do believe that Kyoani is leading a new era in anime
>>147054801
In all seriousness, how so?
>>147052380
This is such bullshit as it's the otaku buying fanbase and the publishers of such stories that dictate what will be produce to make money. That simple.
As for the impllication that his otaku generation is gone. His right and wrong since we've had multiple generation of otaku due to the change in era within the anime landscape.
I assert that we have had three to four era changes from 1980-2016.
-80-90s gen
-90-97 last cel age also the beginning of the golden age for western fans via imports
-98-06 early digital era & the moe boom
-06-16 streaming age & idol anime boom
-2017+ beginning of the Globalize anime age "with japan, korea and china at the forefront"
>>147053363
I'd rather these people who are honest about what they like than the other end of the spectrum: those super elitist art aficionados paying millions of dollars for random paint splatter on canvas and talk about how deep the piece is and the the common folk simply don't get it. Excluding the ones using expensive art work to launder money, those types of pretentious art buyers are the worst.
>>147054489
Actually he got so buttmad at Yamakan during the production of Fractale that he'll never talk to him again.
>>147055062
Yamakan has that effect on people.
>>147054832
>streaming age
wow how much of a secondary are you ? ? ??
>>147055250
http://webm.land/media/uYKW.webm
I been watching anime since 1995.
>>147052380
If some Otaku shit is now normalfag accessible, might as well adapt the best Sekai-kei story.
>>147055250
You might need to brush up on your reading comprehension. He didn't say he streams or support it, he's merely making an observation of the trend and streaming anime is indeed popular. Try looking outside of /a/ sometimes to get a better sense of perspectives.
>>147052768
>Just because this year was shit for anime doesn't mean BD sales got lower
Yes it has you dumb fuck, literally look at the last 3 years average BD sales
Anime was a mistake.
Anime is straight up garbage, terrible adaptions followed by awful original shit lately and the ones with top tier animation are wasted on literal shit plotlines and characters.
Read manga
R
>>147052534
>drawn animation that takes incredible amounts of talent to pull off well
>not art
this along with the general anti-intellectual sentiment a lot of anime watchers seem to have are both terrible
People like you are the reason anime is filled with so much utter trash, you settle for mediocrity, unoriginality and retardation and happily eat it up because you have no standards so long as it panders to your masturbatory self-insertion fantasies
>>147052380
What a completely baseless claim.
>>147054995
>talk about how deep the piece is and the the common folk simply don't get it.
Yeah, that's true, it has always been like this, common people don't care about art, what they want is cheap, disposable entertainment to wash away the sorrow of their days, not higher forms of art. That is true for everything, from food to anime, the more cultured you are the more you can appreciate things, even those a bit more complex than the average, most people can't even grasp what is art and what is an artist, nor do they care.
Stop being envious of what people who are more knowledgeable than you enjoy and stick to your weekly shonen anime, you'll live a happier life.
>>147055523
Then proceed to post character from a garbage series.
wew lad you sure showed me.
>>147052534
>shitty series over and over again
>fun
>>147055593
But I am already happier with my life precisely because I already am content with it. If anything, it sounds like you're the one who needs to take your own advice since you're being pissy over people liking things you don't like. I sure as hell ain't envious about paint splatters I can do on my own, which I did when I needed some stuff to decorate my house. And it cost me just under 100 bucks too.
Yeah, we're now entering the age of 3DCG, fujoshit and Hollywood-pandering
Don't lie, you would rather have moeshit than that.
>>147055593
Of course, the 2deep4u poster is an eva fag. How typical. It's hilarious how you people have such fragile egos that you have to pretend that people are envious of you when they're laughing at you.
>>147055593
>hurr durr look at me I'm smarter then you!
>I am so smart that I need to mock other people in order to find validation
>>147055684
>happy with life
>on 4chan
>>147055740
Are you?
hiroki azuma!!
>>147052380
In short, otaku are dying out, low birth rate, the only work we can now get is American outsourcing.
>>147055593
Congrats, you just made the Dadaists roll in their graves even today. Just swallow your pride, mate.
>2016
>current year
>still watching Anime
>not reading Manga
>>147055740
Yes, what of it. And if you're of the opinion that happy people can't be on here, it means that >>147055593 is a hypocrite.
>>147055636
You gotta show anons an example
>not watching western cartoons
>>147055883
No one happy with life would use a degenerate depressed site like 4chan
>>147055972
All good western cartoons are dead fampai.
>>147055593
Those "common art" requires more talent and effort than the so-called expensive art piece that rich people pay multiple figures for.
>the historical/ traditional art pieces side of museums
- filled with intricate pieces that craftsmen took years to produce, symbolic and reflects their culture, heritage, history
- even common items have unique artwork or designs
- as functional as they are aesthetically pleasing
- paintings are elaborate, showed skilled brushstrokes, composition etc
>modern/contemporary part of the exhibits
- a chair in some weird shape that isn't comfortable to sit on
- random stuff thrown together in like 5 min, with a piece of essay attached to it to talk about chaos theory
- paintings are random patterns; even commercial graphics designers and interior designers are more talented and more honest in their output.
>>147054832
Streaming age only began like last year
>>147055684
>But I am already happier with my life precisely because I already am content with it.
Is it? then why did you respond to my obvious bait?
If you can't even recognize not so subtle trolling I don't know how happy can you be talking about how people that tell others they're too pleb to understand other stuff are worse than plebs.
If anything your post tells that you're exactly one of those plebs who got BTFO by some pretentious artfag and has to find some sort of validation for his taste.
Le me tell you though, I don't care what you like as long as you enjoy it and don't bother me with it, just don't go make other posts about "paint splatters" on a taiwanese puppet show forum, it's not something any people with a shred of dignity should do.
>>147055734
I don't even like eva, but it's great to bait pent up people like you, it's pretty much all it's worth for as an anime.
>>147055739
You're all the validation I need Anon, thanks for keep on proving I'm right.
>>147055840
The dadaists were hypocritical fags mate, the fact that they put stuff in museums to this day is the testament to the inherent failure of their philosophy.
>>147056066
>Those "common art" requires more talent and effort than the so-called expensive art piece that rich people pay multiple figures for.
Yeah, that's more or less the joke.
Besides, you're lumping in modern with contemporary, which you should not do, because they're not the same thing, and even then, no art current is truly homogeneous so it's yours is a pointless effort.
Man Ray isn't Picasso and Herzog isn't Scorsese.
>>147052534
>it's fucking cartoons that are fun to watch and make money, get your fucking head out of your ass
Awww, anon is internalizing the media he's consuming and now it hurts its feelings
>>147056286
>I'm right
>implying
>>147054801
>implying KyoAnus has made anything good after Disappearance
>>147056286
Oh shit. Trolling is a art and we have met the master.
>>147056286
>Is it? then why did you respond to my obvious bait?
Because it turns out I overestimated you. If anything, I feel really bad for you that you have to resort to being a dick for no good reason. I came here to have a simple chat with people while you just want to fuck shit up. You sound really spiteful, especially with how you even bothered to respond to every post. Are you sure you're really baiting or you not just using it to cover your own bitterness. Because you really do sound bitter, mate. Calm down, relax a little. No need to be so uptight. I really do hope you can be a happier person who don't have to resort to these sort of cheap thrills.
Is /a/ really satisfied with eating up every seasonal garbage anime?
I don't understand how anyone could stand the mediocrity of anime at present.
>>147056286
>I was just pretending to be retarded
Anon, nobody's falling for it. No, simply getting people to reply doesn't mean you trolled them. Grow up.
>>147056420
>I came here to have a simple chat
You don't come on 4chan to peacefully socialise with people on, thats what reddit is for.
You come here to shit on each others taste
>>147056286
>claims to be baiting
>proceed to maintain the same argument anyway
Nah, you're not baiting, you're just another one of those assholes who like being smug about some random shit and are using it to validate yourself. I've seen plenty of your type on 4chan.
>>147056680
You can see them anywhere. They're called teenagers.
>>147052782
anyone with a brain hates k-on
>>147056361
Your (You)s are proof that I'm right though, maybe you should stop responding to my evident trolling if you want to prove your point, now that works, it also makes /a/ a bit better while we're at it.
>>147056420
>I came here to have a simple chat with people while you just want to fuck shit up.
Well yeah, talk shit, get hit.
>Calm down, relax a little.
How can I relax when you guys are so gullible?
Look, I post an eva image with the standard smug remark at the end, with even an explicit shonen anime line, how can I relax when you guys keep feeding me? Like, really, how new are you?
Maybe you should really be the one who have to try being a happier person if you can't let such an evident and old bait slide.
Or maybe you're right and I've been here for far too long, who knows?
What I know is that you are getting your pants in a twist for some stupid, oldass trolling tactic.
>>147056476
>nobody's falling for it.
You just did Anon.
>>147056680
See above.
But yeah, I wasn't completely baiting, I also made some points I truly believe in.
Too bad you're all focused on the trolling part instead of talking about them.
You could have demolished my entire argument by simply saying that experiencing art is the result of personal experience, and yet, you didn't.
That's also one of the big points against what OP quotes, Azuma claiming that the old generetaions of Otaku are over is bullshit because what he's talking about is completely out of touch with the current generation, what changed are icons, the rest is still the same.
And that is just if we're talking about Anime Otaku, what about other Otaku?
Would he say the same of Densha Otaku, or other Otaku? It's a pretty laughable claim, if he's even serious that is.
>>147056896
>you should stop responding to my evident trolling if you want to prove your point
Have you ever looked into a mirror and then suddenly thought: "yup, that's definitely not me"
>I was merely pretending
More like no backbone.
>>147055551
You can look at movies like ghost in the shell and millennium actress and see quality works that demonstrate the power of the medium and push it forward...
But then you have faggots like the guy you mentioned who is an utter failure of a human being latching onto cartoons for emotional support like a cripple because the real world is too real. He is a cancer. Milked for cash and profit by low effort studios who know how to target pathetic human beings like him.
Sorry faggots. Grow up. Your waifu isn't real.
>>147052782
>He was Yamakan's friend.
Opinion discarded.
>>147057158
Get out, fag and take your progressive garbage out with you.
>>>/out/
>>147057238
She isn't even hand drawn anymore. You're gonna have to get over that fact anon. You are slowly killing your medium and your waifu.
You need...to let her go...
>>147057366
>...
And you need to get the fuck out.
>>147053000
Why are his arms so small?
>>147055551
>implying all fiction isn't just masturbatory self-insertion fantasies
>>147052704
And yet despite the fact that BD numbers are down more TV anime is being made than ever before
Either japanese investors like burning money or they simply found other sources of revenue.
>>147057004
Nope, tell me about it.
>>147057158
>Milked for cash and profit by low effort studios who know how to target pathetic human beings like him.
That too is an art.
>>147056470
>Is /a/ really satisfied with eating up every seasonal garbage anime?
Low expectations or shit taste. Take your pick
>>147055729
>fujoshits
And what is wrong with fujos and fudas?
I don't get it, they aren't that different than the standard straight male weebs.
I like a mix of both but if anything fujoshis having their own part in the isn't hurting anything
>>147057709
You're still going strong with
"totally not baiting"
"totally didn't bite bait"
>>147056470
Emotionally stunted manchildren tend to prefer their toys to remain the same. They hate change. Just take a look at the sonic fanbase.
>>147056470
As expected from /v/ermin level casualfaggots, you guys don't like anime but still posting here
>>147057850
I just have some free time to spend on /a/ today, no need to take things so seriously.
>>147057948
You're the one taking this shit seriously
look back on these before making yourself look more retarded:
>>147056896
>>147056286
>>147055593
hah if any of you had jobs you'd be satisfied with most if not all seasonal anime. Time to take some time off your day and god job searching you spergs
>>147052380
>Shin Godzilla
>good
what? That's one of the shittiest tokusatsu I've ever seen in recent years
>>147052782
>Hates K-on!.
So he's based. Good to know.
>>147057901
Or the people who complain about modern anime because it's different from old anime.
>>147056528
Get the fuck out of /a/ and get back to your containment board
>>147052524
>postmodern
Whenever I see that word now, I become reflexively dismissive.
>>147058025
Nah, none of those posts are even remotely serious posts for my standards, that also makes your remarks even more tragic since I hoped you would just let them go by now.
>>147058103
You're the other half of the big audience, one side hails it as the holy grail of Toku and another masterpiece by The Master Anno, the other side thinks it's a mediocre toku movie with cringeworthy EVA references and a shitty twist by the end.
>>147052717
Source?
>>147058391
>I hoped you would just let them go by now.
Funny that you're the one saying that
>>147052704
>the Big 3
And that's where you wrecked your whole post. Outside of the English speaking fandom, the concept of a Big 3 never existed.
Certainly not in Japan, as Naruto wasn't always in the top 5 best selling manga, and Bleach often wasn't even in the top twenty.
It was a idea that originated on, and was spread by, Gaia Online.
Why is he using a godzilla movie as evidence towards this? Is it simply because of the director?
>Yamakan's associate, developer of Fractale's story, and professional "cultural critic".
Oh, that explains it.
>>147058450
It was lighthearted trolling on the spur of the moment, I'm not one who holds grudges or get mad at somebody over the internet.At least, not that often.
>>147058638
>light hearted
>trolling
Those really long posts where you meticulously replied to everyone who replied to you tells me otherwise. You're now at the Damage Control state
>>147058097
I have a job and I'm not satisfied.
>>147057487
>Either japanese investors like burning money or they simply found other sources of revenue.
Considering how a very big portion of modern anime is LN adaptions I would suppose that LN sale increases are starting to matter a lot more than BD sales.
Anime nowadays is more like a 13 episode advertisement spot for the source material and the maybe the VAs if they can cram idols into it.
BDs are becoming more of an extra.
>>147058687
You know he'll never admit to it
>>147052782
>>147059293
>I'm half Polish
MUH
>>147058687
But I didn't reply to everyone and those aren't meticulous at all, unless they are for your standards.
And why should I damage control?
>>147059630
>he's still doing this
Not the person you're replying to, but Christ, man.
Otaku can finally kill themselves knowing that their lives had no meaning or value.
>>147052380
>Is he right?
We can only hope.
I can't wait for a day when /a/ stops shilling Kyoani.
>>147059293
>Hi
>I'm CIA
>>147056470
You can like some current anime without liking literally every anime that comes out every season.
>>147053435
>doesnt understand that the things he masturbates to where ones highly risky and experimental endeavours
>>147052380
He is just getting old and confuses his decay with the decay of his surroundings.
>I hate K-on, it started an era of Moé in animé
>>147052717
>aikatsu is this lewd
Really makes you think.
>>147055974
Stop projecting. Being on 4chan doesn't mean you failed at life and are a "depressed" faggot.
>>147052717
>Sexfriend is still my favorite 10 years later
>>147054591
Eva, Saikano, Mad Max Fury Road
>>147052380
>Shin godzilla
>Indicating the end of otaku era while padering to otaku.
He must have recieved a good sum of money.
Everyone and their mother knows by this point that Shin Godzilla is just Evangelion without the EVAs.
Hell, even the scenes are a ripoff.
To me this simply proves that Anno can't move beyond Evangelion.
>>147058567
Big 3 aside, I think his argument is sound. There's a generational shift taking place as people born in the so-called 'lost generation' enters society and a lot of old series is ending (I recall that long-running police manga ending recently which made the news). I think current anime is appealing to the 'previous generation of otakus'.
>>147060596
>the hentai that gave me a ffm fetish
Truly a classic
>>147052524
>literary critic
>postmodern style
>>147052967
The people are, the shows aren't. Look at show like Shirobako, New Game and I can't nt understand what my husband is saying, there is an New Conformity in anime
>>147052534
But fun created deliberately is inherent art?
>>147052380
The man is out of date. Sekaikei is long been dead. When was the last show you watched where the relationships of the main character determines the fate of the world like eva or even shana and chobits.
>>147052380
>internet critics
Wow they're so relevant, the Rotten Tomatoes scores for Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad are so accurate.
>>147061117
Well yes, they are. Those movies are garbage.
>>147060643
>Anno can't move beyond Evangelion
Wish I saved that interview where a bunch of old guards talked about otaku and joked how doing a sekai-kei film will really ruin a director, including how Anno couldn't make any more anime and went to live action after Eva.
It gives a lot of context to this discussion about the death of otaku, sekai-kei, and how the industry is changing.
>>147060066
There's only like 2 good anime per season.
>>147061117
>Rotten Tomatoes scores for Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad are so accurate.
Bad examples. The scores for those movies are correct after you forced me to go actually check them. I'm sad I spent money at all for BvS. They should have fucking paid me to see that garbage.
>>147060783
Greentexting and reaction images are postmodern things.
>Anime ends because it's accepted by normies
current kids are just so stupid to enjoy stupid show. that's all.
>>147052380
What's the next step of the masterplan? What should we expect in the future?
>>147052380
>hiroki azuma
yamakan tier
>I'm a cultural critic
>>147052525
>a cultural critic
Have we not yet learned that this is bunk, and that the opinions of said critics are totally bogus?
>>147052574
Can you explain sekai-kei to me more thoroughly? I'm having a hard time following the train of thought.
I don't get it.
Isn't anime movies only popular because of big names such as Anno and Shinkai. No one will give a fuck about Shinkai movie without his name on posters. No one buy Animator Expo BD, no one buy Aoi Bungaku BD.
>>147054832
That's more of an events-and-fads list, you have the same generations age-wise behind multiple shifts within the industry. I think OP is talking more about the generations (human population) of the anime creators and Japanese consumers.
Although if we're talking about events, the Anime bubble bursting around 2006 probably is one of the biggest events in the industry that we're still seeing the effects of today.
>>147052380
>this generation may be over and we may be on the cusp of a new one, be that good or bad
What exactly is it being replaced with? I haven't noticed anything different from the last era other then more shitty LN adaptations and more attempts at deconstructing some existing thing that usually results in a lot of edge but no actual substance
>>147055250
>streaming age
Well, although the revenue from Streaming is still small compared to other channels, it's certainly already having an impact on how anime is funded (Netflix originals, etc).
Still looking forward to the coming Waifu age, where Anon himself gets to the the MC (or the little girl, depending).
>>147059630
You know, you're posting on an anonymous imageboard, no one will know who you are and can just stop posting and save yourself from furthur embarrassment.
>>147062294
This dude does some high level anime analysis. The second half goes into sekaikei.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCKZQphDyLY&index=3&list=PL3itZ8UCAizGphd5_cOFylS38JFTV3-Ne
>>147052605
>old man yelling at clouds syndrome
Fuck off with the simpson memes.
Shitting on the elders (or generally older than you people) is a western degenerate thing, in Japan they respect people with more experience in life.
>>147065029
t. self-loathing millennial
>>147065196
What about that post made you come to such conclusion?
Do you know what a millennial is?
>>147054342
Who knows
>>147063908
That will never happen. Face reality head on, coward.
>>147065029
>Shitting on the elders (or generally older than you people) is a western degenerate thing, in Japan they respect people with more experience in life.
I also get the impression that is starting to change as demographic pressure mounts.
>>147052775
/a/ can't do much anymore other than say stupid memetic shit that might relate to the topic at hand or just randomly argue with people
>>147053229
The fanbase is just getting substantially dumber and obnoxious more than anything
>>147053363
This, and this is coming from someone who genuinely enjoys the lowest this medium can offer. There is no need to shit on something just because it's animated, this industry offers great things and it can offer more.
At the same time, there is a tendency on /a/ to shit on everything, saying things like "I enjoy this because it's a trainwreck". It's like people are scared of liking things.
>>147062294
Read at the source.
http://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/%E3%82%BB%E3%82%AB%E3%82%A4%E7%B3%BB
>>147052380
Hero vs Demon lord stories are super cool so I'm okay with Otaku moving from hyper moe loving idiots to something arguably chuuni instead.
>>147056470
I honestly don't think /a/ cares about much of anything other than having cyclical generals like /v/ and arguing with the last person to state a position about how they are Satan himself and have the wrongest position anyone could ever have on anything because reasons. Almost nobody really values anything or has a real sensible grounded position on anything anymore so to me that's about the same as not really caring. /a/ should stand for "arguing" really the way the board is
>>147066814
If you claim to like something within two posts some shitposter will just melt down on you so what's the point. That's what you can expect, you can still do it but that'll be the guaranteed result
>>147052534
Are you retarded?
Many anime were made with the intent of them having depth in mind and they are the most critically acclaimed of all of them. That's the whole point of Eva or Lain. Even of stuff like ping pong.
You can't watch those without taking them seriously.
Also that's what makes them the most fun to watch.
"Cartoon are just fun to watch and make money, anime are like cartoons, therefore anime are just fun to watch and make money and there should be no depth in them".
I don't know how but you stuffed a simple syllogism with a fuckton of logical fallacies and false facts. You must be really stupid and I shouldn't be answering to this post.
>Clickbait thread
/a/ has declined.
>>147068040
Don't use words you don't know the meaning of. It makes you look like an idiot.
>>147055840
Why should he care about a shitty modern movement that died out?
>>147052782
>Hates K-on!.
Someone has that image of Yui giving middle finger?
>>147057935
No, you don't like anime.
You probably just started fapping to anime 2 years ago.
I've been watching this shit ever since I saw UFO ROBOT GRENDIZER in 1993.
>>147058097
>hah if any of you had jobs you'd be satisfied with most if not all seasonal anime. Time to take some time off your day and god job searching you spergs
But you're the living proof that shit jobs make you an animal that only cares for subsistance. I can only hope I never become so alienated I have to put up with shitty kyoani shows.
>>147069971
Thavage
>it's another /v/eddit niwaka getting their awful taste btfo out by industry pros and making sad excuses for 200 posts episode
>>147071946
Who would these industry pros be?
>>147052677
muh oc
>>147052948
punyu punyu
>>147054304
>where the fate of the world or similar issue hangs on the fate of the main characters' relationship
How many series are like this? I can't think of any.
>>147052380
this 'prediction' again...
>>147064625
Underrated post.
I've been watching anime since about '05 and I still don't understand a bunch of stuff in the shows. There's certain jokes that only make sense in cultural context. Although every series isn't Joshiraku, I think that if you look back I think the only thing that changed is the money and techniques got better because of technology.
The niche markets are just that, niche. This guy sounds like he knows what he's talking about but to me it just sounds like he realized he's older now and takes his anime more seriously. If you look at the effort put into cute girls doing cute things anime like shirobako or new game, they've just put even more love into them than before.
tl'dr industry got better
>>147072728
>sekai-kei
literally madoka
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SekaikeiGenre?from=Main.Sekaikei
>>147056470
/a/ these days are full of shitposts about anime from last year and older.
>>147057238
Not liking trashy garbage for mentally cripped losers does not equal being the human garbage who wants to destroy everything that offends them
>>147073698
But it's easier to believe one has a valid argument with boogeymans and strawmans anon.
i wish people who took literature seriously as some sort of evolving art form would die
it's fucking ink on paper that is fun to read and make money, get your fucking head out of your ass
>>147074610
/thread
finally.
ITT: Anons assravaged that they don't get paid for their shitposts while other people get paid for meaningful comments on various forms of media.
>>147074610
All creators take their work seriously though.
>>147052534
The end product, which is the entertainment value of shows comes from the culminated knowledge of writing, direction, and composition both visually and musically to create 30 minutes worth of entertainment.
anime as a whole is not an artform, but the aspects put into creating the shows consists of shit that constantly grows and evolves to keep said shows good.
there's a fucking reason why some shows suck and why some shows are really good.
I wish people who took commercials seriously as some sort of evolving art form would die
it's fucking 60 seconds of telling you to buy shit and spend money, get your fucking head out of your ass.
i wish people who took music seriously as some sort of evolving art form would die
it's fucking sound waves that are fun to listen to and make money, get your fucking head out of your ass
>>147075362
That was a bad one anon. Everyone knows the purpose of commercials.
>>147074610
Ah, spoken like a true illiterate
Art and entertainment are two mutually exclusive things that can both be made in any sound medium. If you can't appreciate a medium for both then you need to get something new to occupy your time, it's like saying television shows should all be your definition of comedy or your definition of drama.
>>147075691
Meant to say mutually inclusive.
>>147052656
the one that people say that's subtitled as "um"
>>147053000
>in exactly a month and 1 hour 38 minutes I will be watching this masterwork in a nice theatre
feels good
>>147060712
What straight man doesn't have a ffm fetish?
>>147052637
We need to set up a meeting for this.
damn i didnt know that a anime image board could give a birth to a argumen this intense arent we gonna talk on cute anime girls ?
>>147078362
Fuck you
>>147078537
w-what why
>>147078362
here's that (you) you ordered
>>147052380
>sekai-kei
What a retard, sekai-kei died a decade ago
>>147064625
>For the first time in history, end-timers actually allied themselves with weapons capable of destroying the world.
>... Using anime propaganda inspired by Studio Ghibli.
Miyazaki, the absolute mad man!
>The next generation of Japanese animators are growing up with Sword Art Online and other self-insert LN anime as their inspiration
>>147052782
It's been some years since I watched Fractale, but I remember it being kinda mediocre.
>>147052782
did he do that voce bait and switch at the end if Fractal? seriously who ever did that fuck that guy
>>147052380
unless you're all secretly planning on pulling out your long-sleeved plaid shirts and bandannas out of storage en masse, he's probably right
>>147069610
>I've been watching this shit ever since I saw UFO ROBOT GRENDIZER in 1993.
Confirmed for casualfag and the worst type, back then in 1990 your type already existed, at that time those retards were complaining about kawaii shit but if you know a little about anime you would know that such thing is almost basic element as Japanese love cute things, anyways die in fire, retards like you think that anime must be always like the exported shit that westerners casualfaggots loveed.
>>147075691
>Art and entertainment are two mutually exclusive things that can both be made in any sound medium
Art is buzzword as the current art was entertainment in the past, Art is just shit that old people label as "Art" nothing else.
>>147068040
unhappily such threads are ancient
>>147055593
This is very subtle not-so-subtle bait
>>147078923
No, the industry has been homogenizing and stagnating like shit in the past few years and you are in favour of that. And that is exactly because of the lack of attention in the western audience.
I never said all anime has to be intelligent, you're the one saying all anime should be the same stupid shit you like.
I don't know what you could be mad about anyways, all anime has been retarded in the past 3 or 4 seasons. You're having it your way.
>>147068040
We all have
>>147068040
>replybait post
Have a (You)
>>147053586
mind blown desu
>Your power level is high enough to realize Anno is a total fucking hack preying on the anime equivalent of hipsters
It feels good to be Super Hipster Level 2
>>147055989
I'm surprised how the old guard just vanished off the face of the earth
>>147069610
Un girellaro.
What a surprise.
>>147052574
>If we're truly moving into an era of anime which don't try to hide from the fact that all our lives are meaningless and boring I fear for the innovativeness and creativity of the new generation.
>Praises a fucking remake made specifically to cater to otaku with cute girls, boring characters and dated themes.
>>147056470
Some people forsake taste for for quantity of entertainment sadly