Dragon Ball Super

Gogeta fucking when

dat Towa

Towa is a miracle of the universe. If only we could have a hot demon lady that is so lonely she'd be willing to create her own husbando.

We will never be that husbando. ;_;

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>>147040258
Zamasu dindu nothing, he just needs mo Kaioshin bling for ningenocide.

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>>147040361

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>>147040396

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>All these stupid people who think present Zamasu already made a wish

>>147040389
But you can be the guy who kicks the shit out of her husbando and assert your dominance over her

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>>147040411

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>Supreme Kai: "We shouldn't kill Zamasu because he hasn't actually done anything bad yet"
reminder that he's right

>>147040258
Is towa actually in super? Is xenoverse canon?

>>147040461
reminder that everything bad that happened in Buu saga was this faggot cunts fault

>>147040483
No, it was Vegeta's fault.

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>>147040459
>>147040463
No

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>>147040390
No

>>147040449
I'm already way ahead of you. I can't wait until I'm a little masked slave in XV2.

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>>147040483

So what will happen to U10s God of Destruction?
How come he hasn't shown up?

This deserves more recognition.

>>147040240

>>147040258
>spic subs have been out for an hour now

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>>147040500

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Dubs and I'll drink this nice tea made by Zamasu.

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>>147040562
i can post it here again.

With sound
https://u.pomf.is/qklrtc.webm

>>147040500
This isn't the answer I wanted

>>147040499
It was actually Kibito and Gohan's. Kibito was the one that provoked Gohan into powering and Gohan decided to go SSJ2, got his energy stolen.

Without that energy even Vegeta vs. Goku probably wouldn't have awakened Buu.

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>>147040411
I want her to step on me

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>>147040587

>>147040562
No it doesn't. /tv/ is shit and so are their facebook/reddit memes.

God I bet Towa would give a mean titjob and blowjob at the same time, just fuck.

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>>147040597
God dammit.

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>>147040258
>West "I'm oppressed" Kaioshin
GET OUT AFFAGS GET OUT GET OUT

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I never realized this before but there's something that doesn't make sense about the Android saga.

So Trunks went back in time to warn Goku, goes back home, and then he comes back to present time against to say wtf.
But time between the two timelines is supposed to run parallel, which would mean, if Trunks didnt change the settings, he mustve waited the same 2 years Goku did in the future.
So what, was Trunks waiting for 2 years in the future for the Androids to just pop out of existence?

>>147040483
It was Vegeta's fault.

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Universe 10 god of destruction when?

>>147040722
vegeta got dubs, he's gonna die

did gohan stop sucking yet

>>147040562
But it isn't good.

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I'm strong, so strong my power level numbers reflect it.

Whis is for sexual. Do you agree?

So tell me did we figured out who Black is already from today episode?

>>147040499
>>147040544
>"Gohan pls give the big bad guys all your energy to release Majin Buu"
>"N-no you can't just blow up Buu's ball that's retarded!"
>"Haha did I forget to tell you Buu can ABSORB people that'll NEVER happen again right"

>>147040850
>thinking he will ever be relevant again

I want to have a threesome with Whis and Vados.

>>147040901
Yeah, hes just some guy who looks like Goku that Zamasu hired.

>>147040850
who?

>>147040704
I want her to mind control me then force me to do anal

>>147040924
>being this retarded
wew

>>147040935
Eww vados

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>>147040885
He will be a monster when he gets ssjb

>>147041025
>gets ssjb
>jobs to zam/black because he isn't goku
can't wait

>>147040885
WHY CAN'T TOEI GET TRUNKS' HAIR RIGHT IN THE FUCKING ANIME
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>147040942
A LOTTA LOYALTY FOR A HIRED KAMI

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>>147040765
No, it was explained that Trunks was waiting for the time machine to recharge.

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How will Zeno react to the alternate timelines and time travel shenanigans when Goku accidentally presses the button?

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>>147040935
I want to have a threesome with Beerus and Champa.

>>147041015
Fuck off and keep jerking off to your gay pictures Kaioshinfag

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>Anime SS2 Trunks

>>147040562
>>147040603
Fuck off.

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>>147041205

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>>147041186

>>147040786
i hope u10 GoD is a fat ass bulldog

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>>147041074
Because that would take a minimal amount of effort.
>>147041150
He'll be overjoyed that Goku kept his promise by introducing him to a friend. Goku Black. All-Chan will be so overjoyed, he instantly overpowers Black and now has his own Goku to play with.

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>>147041205
Manga SS2 Trunks

When is 18 going to stop being a boring housewife and do something?

>>147040935
I want to have a threesome with zamasu and supreme kai

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>>147040786
Thats too much clothing for a God of Destruction.

>>147041150
he'll literally delete black,zamasu and the timeline.

but since goku is his friend, he'll allow trunks and mai to go live in the present. as long as they work to prevent anymore meddling with time (time patrol).

screenshot this niggas

>>147041363
Oh no, like the Gohanfag and Gotenfag, you'll have to wager your hand or mouth.

>>147041363
>and mai
Almost had me. She isn't allowed any happiness.

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>>147041315
>>147041306
What's up with Toyotaro's long faces?

>still no subs

what the fuck

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How come other universes don't have a Dai Kaioshin and four Kaioshin?

>>147041455
Gowasu killed them.

>>147041421
Toriyama had that problem as well sometimes. Sometimes it was a bit worse considering how high he would draw the mouths at times.

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>>147040258

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>>147041479
Still, I seem to notice it more with Toyotaro.

>>147041493
The description for 59 is what happened in 58....

>>147041514
Oh he definitely does. I think part of it is him trying to adjust his style to Toriyama's new style, while still trying to keep to Toriyama's old style, so it doesn't mesh as well.

At least from what I've seen. Could be Toriyama redrawing some parts too, I've heard that he redraws parts of it that he doesn't like to better suit his vision, I don't know how true that last bit is though, I highly doubt it, but worth a mention.

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>>147040722
lmao

>>147041540
59 will be them actually watching over Gowasu and Zamasu, the murder, and will possibly include Beerus killing Zamasu or will end with that about to happen.

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>>147041186
you rang?

>>147041306
>>147041315
beautiful. That's how it should look if Toei wasn't so fucking incompetent.

>>147041572
Why not just stick with the old?

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F

Im gonna miss you old fucker

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>>147041661
ZAMASU

>>147041514
i think he likes to ""try"" to draw some of the faces as if a camera was looking down on them from a slight angle....if you get what i'm saying.

>>147041455

Grand Kai is non-canon

>>147041631
Might have been Toriyama's input.

>>147040258
Is that canon?

>>147041734
Why the hell would the God of Destruction know how much they weigh when he doesn't know their weakness and the Kaioshin don't know shit about them?

>>147041661
Hes not gonna die.

>>147040765

No. The Trunks that killed Frieza in the normal world was eaten by Cell. That's why Trunks 'succeeded' in killing 17/18 in his own world and then got the Cell D.

It's also why the Trunks we got was a whiny bitch and why Cell came back to the EXACT second Trunks did and as a result fucked up the timeline.

Frieza killing Trunks is dead. We got his cuck clone instead.

>>147041763
Grand Kai was mentioned in the manga, but never shown.

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>>147041787
don't get my hopes up

>>147040557
Hi will just die with Gowazu whitout knowing what was going on, like Bills did on Trunks timeline

>>147041803
>The Trunks that killed Frieza in the normal world was eaten by Cell. That's why Trunks 'succeeded' in killing 17/18 in his own world and then got the Cell D.

Uh, what? This sentence doesnt flow right at all.
Trunks got killed by Cell and thats why Trunks was strong enough to kill 17 and 18? You need to rephrase this.

>>147041763
Grand Kai is designed by Toriyama himself and also makes it into the Dragon Ball Kai which is the definitive Toriyama cut so he is more or less canonized.

>>147041734
>over 1000
>1001
>2000
>100000
>100000000000000000000
>over 1000

>>147041864
>Bills

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>>147041325
>>147040935
I want a threesome with Zamasu and Goku Black

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Why did they make Piccolo job so hard in the manga?

Even if the animation in the anime was shit, at least Piccolo looked like a threat.

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>>147041803
>>147041884

>eaten

Nah

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>>147041661
ZAMASU

>>147041965
>Piccolo looked like a threat

Oh my sides

>>147041965
Because Toriyama magic does that to a lot of characters.

>>147041977
In this timeline Zamasu wins.

>>147041965
I like piccolo the most out of all the ex rivals but him being a threat against a guy who goku needed to go super saiyan against to beat was absurd.

They really made Goku look even more of a dumbass in this episode.

>>147042046
In the anime Piccolo was clearly going to defeat Frost before he cheated and was the first one to break the dome.

Do you think theyll keep present Zamasu from crossing the evil line like they did the Androids?

>>147042065
In that timeline Buu woke up and destroyed the Universe.

>>147042111
No, Beerus will atomize him.

>>147040258
Who else think ssjg should have actually been called saiyan god or god saiyan and ssjb just super saiyan god?
It would make more sense if the red ssj was the base form with god ki and ssj blue would be going ssj with god ki.

>>147042087
Piccolo was always stronger than Super Saiyans until the Cell Games. It's not unthinkable that he's around a Super Saiyan now.

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>Immediately after being revived wants to go back with no plan
>Forgot the Senzu in the bathroom
>Doesn't remember the color of Black's Hair.

Holy shit he really is getting dumber by the episode.

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>>147042105
>Piccolo was clearly going to defeat Frost

>>147042178
>>Doesn't remember the color of Black's Hair.
The name Black gave it, anon. Pretty sure he could remember it was pink.

Still dumb though.

>>147042191
Did you watch it?

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>>147042223
Did you?

who wins batman and superman vs black and zamasu

>>147042293
batman subs when

>>147042191
frost would've gotten a hole blown through his chest if he didn't poison piccolo.

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>>147042191

>>147042163
It's been a long time since the cell games and super saiyans are nothing on goku now.
Super itself set the standard. SSJgohan>piccolo and base form goku>>>>>SSJgohan
It's internally inconsistent

>>147042215
There aren't that many words for pink.

Also, does Gowasu do anything that isn't drink tea and ask zamasu for more tea? Jesus literally every tiem he's onscreen he's doing one of those two things.

>post yfw a Kai Time Ring takes you to the GT timeline.

Where the fuck is Bra?

I take it Batman is the new Over 8000?

>>147041779
Because the manga is inconsistent as fuck.

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>>147042325
>>147042327
>still liking Piccolo

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>>147042360
>Oh god this is very shitty but at least it's not as bad as Super!

>>147042380
Bra is Black.

>>147042380
fertilizing bulma's womb

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>>147042380
Soonish Uub was born was born little before the tournament Champa arc began. So she can't be too far off.

>>147042410
>he seriously thinks that

Only good thing about GT was Pan.

You're probably the autist that shitposts in every DBZ thread on every board about how Super isn't canon. It's alright Mr. Autist, we know you love GT and are just butthurt.

>>147042450
She was supposed to be a year older than Pan. She was born in 778 and Pan in 779.

>>147042464
>Only good thing about GT was Pan.
Almost nothing about GT was good, yet that's still less offensively bad than Super.

Also, you sound pretty butthurt.

Why is Super so unoriginal?

>SSG is Goku's base form with red hair and red eyes
>SSB is Goku's SSJ form with blue hair
>SSR is Goku's SSJ form with pink hair
>Golden Freeza is Freeza with a gold and purple camo and SSJ3 eyebrows

>Frost is literally recolored Freeza
>Cabba is OC Saiyan and Tarble 2.0
>Fat Beerus and FemWhis
>Evil Goku
>Zamasu is Kaioshin but green and taller

>>147042491
Pretty sure that was a mistake and its actually 780. I am pretty sure she'll show up after this Black/Zam arc.

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Im reading up on the alternate timeline stuff and this shit is confusing.

Ok, so...in what I guess you could call the 'first' history, Bulma makes a time machine to fight the Androids, Trunks goes back in time, gets a remote control, goes back to his time, deactivates the Androids, and then is killed by Cell.
Then Cell goes back in time and I guess he must have somehow magically fucked with the time settings as an egg or something because this creates a new timeline, the main series timeline we're all watching, AND the future Trunks timeline we all know? So there's 4 timelines?
Fuck this shit.

>>147042491
She's a year younger than Pan.

>>147042491
No, she's a year younger.

>>147042396
not nearly as inconsistent as the anime you retard.

>>147042491
She's younger than Pan, Christ.

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>>147042464
>Only good thing about GT was Pan.

Hello, Gohanfag. Ready to fulfill your promise?

can someone post the QUALITY webms or post a link to a collection of them?

>>147041455
>Remembering when Kami was the closest thing to god we had.
Oh how far we've come

>>147042567
Gohan sucks.

>>147041661
ZAMASU

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>>147042567
I'm the Gotenfag.

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>>147042404
>not liking the lean, green, dangalang machine

>>147042616
on Videls tiddies

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So if Zamasu created Black because Goku fought him but Goku only fought him because they went to check up on Zamasu after Black came from Trunk's future, why the fuck is there a Black in Trunk's future, where Goku was dead long before he could possibly have traveled to meet the 10th universe Kaios?

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>>147042620
Are you this anon?

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>>147041939
Me too

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>>147042620
How do you even exist?

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>>147042636
I didn't think anyone would actually cap that. We still don't know for sure!

>>147042643
cuz Kai Rings nigga, I ain't gotta explain shit.

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When Cell went back in time shouldn't he have just made a timeline where the same thing as future Trunks timeline happens? You know, with no future interference? Why the fuck did he make a 4th timeline where future Trunks goes back in time AGAIN? This shit is confusing.

>>147042359
kamitube

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>>147042691

By having Gohanfags on /v/ encourage me.

>>147042528
>>147042549
>>147042564
List of Birth Years

Goku: 734 (was 737)
Vegeta: 732
Krillin: 736
Yamcha: 733
Tien: 733
Bulma: 733
Chi-Chi: 737
Chiaotzu: 738
Launch: 730
Master Roshi: 430
Piccolo: 753
Gohan: 757
Videl: 757
Trunks: 766
Goten: 767
Yajirobe: 735
Raditz: 732
Bra: 778
Pan: 779

The Current Year is 780.

Would you like me to tell you the birth years of other characters, or would you like to continue saying she's a year younger than Pan solely because she hasn't been born yet?

That was their original years born as of EoZ, barring Goku, which has been updated as of Minus. Bra's age might be retconned as of Super, but she was always a year older than Pan.

>>147042087
Are you a fucking retard? When Piccolo fused with Kami he was already on par with android 17. You know android 18 easily disposed of super sayian Vegeta right?

Is there any reason why they seperate little trunks from Goten. Any reason wht Future Trunks hasnt met Goten?

>>147042838
Because Goten is irrelevant.

>>147040390
is this 2006

>>147042520
Nope.

"First" history is Trunks timeline, wherein he goes back warns them of the androids yadda yadda yadda. But when he did that, he changed the timeline.

HOWEVER, this created a path with a new timeline completely separate from his, where everyone still lost to the androids but he eventually prevailed over them, because they found gero's lab this go round instead of being wiped out. In this timeline, Cell eventually came out to find the Androids destroyed, so he killed Trunks and took his time machine to go back in time to the point where the timeline split, and that's why he ended up at the point where Trunks left. He knew there wouldn't be any androids there at that time, but that was the only place he could reach.

But THEN Trunks split the timeline again and changed it when he went back to help them three years later. The explanation why this was different is because Trunks was there when they met Gero, and his autistic rage and intervening when 18 was raping Vegeta is what caused a different outcome than the one that the Trunks-Killer-Cell came from.

So there's three timelines. The original, which is Trunk's that he came back from. Then he created Cell's by changing the future but not enough. Then finally the main timeline, which had Trunks intervene twice and got a radically different outcome.

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So Goku's VA won't have to voice too many characters.

>>147042105
Not only was he the first to break the dome but it was stronger made at that point in time. They comment later when Vegeta breaks it. Vados says she didn't bother to make it as strong.

>>147042520
i figure out how to explain the timelines in DB

We take Cell as the main subject

1. So there's a Cell who killed a Trunks from the future and this Cell traveled to the series timeline
2. There's a baby cell in the past (this timeline remains unsee but maybe this baby Cell did born but imperfect since Z-warriors were only given a heads about the androids and it will be easily to kill him since Piccolo can match his power and no androids to become perfect)

3. There's a baby Cell in the past (Series timeline)
4. There's another Cell in the future (Our boi Trunks who obliterad the androids timeline)

There 4 timelines

>>147042883
Ive decided to just stop thinking about it.

But no, theres actually 4 timelines.

>>147040786
>tfw no Ra knockoff GoD

>>147042870
If he was they just give him gags ala Pilaf. They took great pains to keep Goten from meeting F Trunks

>>147042087
It wouldn't be a stretch to say Piccolo is ssj 2 gohan level by now at least.

>>147042703
That doesn't explain shit. Why would he go to an alternate timeline of a DIFFERENT FUCKING UNIVERSE to do the shit he should be doing in his own?

Christ this may be the worst written arc in DBS and DB in general yet.

>>147042883
There are 4 timelines.

Future Trunks, Goku (S/Zuper), Cell, and Unseen (this is basically the same as Goku's only no Cell, no Cell Games).

Timeline 3/Cell and Timeline 4/Unseen likely are gone now after Buu is woken up and he destroys the universe.

>>147042772
Can you fuckers please stop making Xenoverse threads on /v/ unless you actually plan on talking about Xenoverse?

>>147041661
literally the wojak of dbz

>>147042915
>2. There's a baby cell in the past (this timeline remains unsee but maybe this baby Cell did born but imperfect since Z-warriors were only given a heads about the androids and it will be easily to kill him since Piccolo can match his power and no androids to become perfect)

The fuck?

>>147042920
There's 3. Timeline Cell came from, Timeline Trunks came from, Main timeline.
Wait what.

Th

>>147042838
>Any reason wht Future Trunks hasnt met Goten?
Because it's completely pointless. Goten doesn't even exist in the future timeline, so why would F Trunks give a fuck about meeting Goten?

>>147043029
>>147042985

>>147042950
It would be because he was provably weaker during the frieza invasion.
What the fuck is wrong with you people? Piccolo hasn't been in the same league as the main players since vegeta and trunks came out of the time chamber training, and goku and vegeta are on a whole other level of bullshit powerlevels.

>>147042959
Because he probably used a green time ring, which exist when a new timeline is created. Gowasu meant that a green time ring appeared a few years ago (hinting at Trunks' timeline).

Christ, we don't know anything yet, chill the fuck out.

>>147043004
there will be news this week also a new trailer i think

>>147042985
how'd they wake up buu without gohan's kii?

>>147043004
People talk about XV on /v/, it just gets derailed by one autist who always wants to shitpost about how Super isn't canon.

>>147042708
In DBZ there are 4 timelines:
-Main Timeline.
-Future Trunks Timeline.
-Cell Timeline
-Unseen Timeline where the Future Trunks from Cell Timeline went.

By the way, when Gowasu showed the Time Rings we could see 4 Green Time Rings, each one of them representing a new timeline created by someone.
Before people say it was F.Trunks's fault I must remind you guys his machine is still using the same configuration, which means he only created the Main Timeline with it so far.
This means someone managed to go into the past and create a new Timeline. I can only assume they used a Time Machine or the Super Dragon Balls for that.

>>147043051
Goku and Vegeta are the full of the main players now, you ape.

>>147043052
Gowasu said*

>>147042985
Goku is alive in timeline 4, it wouldn't be destroyed.

>>147043029
that timeline is the one who Future Trunks traveled but was murdered by his Future Cell.

>>147043066
Everyone has ki. They just had to extract it from everyone.

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>>147042985
>>147043079
I can buy that there's an unseen timeline where Trunks gets killed after returning from the past, prompting Cell to also go back to the past.

What I dont get is, when Cell went to the past, and made a new timeline, why was this new timeline a timeline that made a fourth timeline where Trunks still comes from the future and not just the natural course of history where the Androids are made and kill everybody?

>>147043081
Am i talking to ESLs?
Point out the part of that post where I even slightly implied that wasn't true.

>>147043004
Fuck off.

>>147042985
>Unseen (this is basically the same as Goku's only no Cell, no Cell Games).

I'm missing where you're getting this from, what is this unseen timeline and why does it exist? We never saw a timeline with androids but no cell.

In Trunks timeline he hadn't woken up yet, and after Trunks made the androids super dead he murderified that cell. This trunks that gave the cure is the same trunks who came back later, that's one timeline.

In goku's timeline, we saw cell as a fetus, he got annihilated

Finally, in Cell's timeline, he murdered Trunks and took the machine, then brought it back.

Where the fuck did this 'unseen' one come out of?

>>147043138
Goku also never learned of Fusion or SSJ3 due to not having died to Cell.

They also never learned of SSJ2 due to not training in the Time Chamber due to Cell.

>>147043148
So instead of one big ki battery they did the spirit bomb method?

>>147043191
The reason there's no Cell in the unseen timeline is because Cell left it to go back in time because Trunks deactivated the Androids with a remote.

>>147043073
>People talk about XV on /v/, it just gets derailed
Yeah, horseshit, because you fuckers make threads with screens from the fucking anime and talk about the fucking anime in the OP post.

>>147043201
He's still Goku, he can handle it.

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>>147043191

batman subs when

>>147043217
No, wait, sorry, actually the reason there's no Cell in the unseen timeline is because.....we never find out why actually.
Maybe he blew up in it or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlVtQDVrNns

BRING THE BEST FUSION BACK

>>147043191
It came from the Android Blueprints. In this timeline, instead of destroying Gero's Lab, they found the Android Blueprints. Future Trunks traveled to the Future (Timeline 4), deactivated the Androids, and was killed by Cell, who then traveled to Timeline 2 (Goku's).

The Future Trunks that Cell kills is completely different than the Future Trunks we've seen since he killed Mecha Frieza and the gang.

>>147043079
>-Unseen Timeline where the Future Trunks from Cell Timeline went.

OHHHHH, that's where you're getting confused.

That Trunks never went back in time, it was programmed to go back and everything, Cell just hit the button. If it had been a trunks that went back and changed things, it would have been set for three years later, this was the FIRST trip, that's why he ended up landing at the exact same time as Normal-Trunks.

Further evidence, Cell wouldn't wake up in Normal-Future-Trunk's timeline until later in his own timeline, for the Cell that came back to exist he had to be in one where it took longer to build the time machine.

Like, say, if she was distracted making killdroid buttons.

>>147043274
in 7-10h

>>147043294
Its stupid to number the timelines like that. Chronologically, timeline 4 was made second, so it should be called timeline 2.

>>147043248
No he couldn't. Buu would have vastly outclassed them all, especially if he turned into Super or Kid Buu.

>>147043191
>Finally, in Cell's timeline, he murdered Trunks and took the machine, then brought it back.

That is the thing. This Future Trunks went to the past too, but in this unseen timeline we know the Androids were simply deactivated using their blueprints and Cell was most likely destroyed as the blueprints were close to him. Th F.Trunk from Cell's timeline used the blueprints method to deal with the Androids instead of getting stronger, then he was killed by Cell.
In short, the unseen Timeline is just the timeline visited by the F.Trunks from Cell's Timeline.

>>147043334
Super, Kid and Fat Buu are very close in power anyway. The only big gaps are between Buuhan/Buutenks to them, and the split Fat /Skinny buus to them.

>>147043322
Chronological order is Future Trunks->Goku->Cell->Unseen.

The Unseen and Cell Timelines only exist due to Trunks second trip back in time, not the first. That makes F. Trunks 1, Goku 2, Cell 3, Unseen 4.

>>147043374
>Super, Kid and Fat Buu are very close in power anyway
Kid and fat are but super is a significant jump in power.
SSJ gotenks probably could have taken fat buu without training but they needed to train and go ssj3 to match super

>>147043374
>SSJ3 Goku could have killed Fat Buu
>SSJ3 Goku was barely putting up a fight against Kid Buu

Fat Buu is canonically weaker than both of them due to absorbing the Kais.

>>147043294
>. In this timeline, instead of destroying Gero's Lab, they found the Android Blueprints.

That theory makes no sense, since Trunks never went back to the future after that incident in the main timeline.

It makes more sense if there is no fourth timeline, and Trunks made the one Cell came from precisely for that reason, the Z fighters found Gero's lab this time, it never got exploded by Trunkstism, and Bulma could make an off switch.

>>147043298
>That Trunks never went back in time

No, you are the one who is confused.
That F.Trunks went back in time once and got the blueprints from that timeline. With the blueprints they made a remote control to deactive the androids, then this F.Trunks went back to his future and deactivated the future androids too.

>>147043394
No....chronologically the Cell timeline came first. Cell going back in time in the timeline is what made the "Goku" timeline and the Future Trunks timeline.

In other words the series we're all watching is a fake artificial timeline.

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Since we know Gods can be cloned by the timelines, what happens if Goku presses the Omni-king button in the future?

Will Omni-king show up or a hyphotetical future Omni-king who knows nothing about Goku?

>>147043440
Yes he did. Trunks went to the Future (Timeline 4) and used the blueprints to deactivate the Androids instead of overpowering them as the Future Trunks we know did. Imperfect Cell then killed him and took the Time Machine.

>>147040786
>DBfags thinks its going to be another edgy design characters
>Toriyama draws him as a fat hariless rat

>>147043423
>Kid and fat are but super is a significant jump in power.
No. Super is almost the same, he's mainly stronger because his body is more suited to fighting, and he's more aggressive. But he's made of the same stuff Fat Buu is.-

>>147043467
No it didn't. Future Trunks is the straight timeline of events and history. With all 3 diverging due to those actions. Goku's exists because he gave Goku the Heart Virus, which led to F. Trunks traveling back in time to find the blueprints, which gave rise to Unseen, which then gave rise to Cell's.

Time travel is a pretty easy concept to understand, do you work for Toei or something?

>>147043433
Super Buu still had the Kais. And yes, I agree kid buu is stronger, but the difference is small. It's not even a sure thing Goku could have beaten Fat Buu, though he certainly did better fighting him than he did kid buu.

>>147043576
That's wrong. The Cell timeline came first.
In the Cell timeline, Trunks goes back in time, created a new timeline we don't ever seem tells Goku about Gero, goes back to his time, then goes back in time again to help Goku, gets blueprints, kills Androids, then goes back to his timeline, and kill the Androids with the remote control. Cell took Trunks time machine and kills him, goes back in time, and this is what made the timeline we all watch on tv. There is no possible way the Cell timeline DIDN'T come first.

>>147043440
>That theory makes no sense, since Trunks never went back to the future after that incident in the main timeline.

We can assume it was because of Cell's interference with the main timeline. After deactiving them androids from the unseen timeline there was no reason for this version of F.Trunks to stick around, as there was no Cell to fight. This is why he goes back to his future(Timeline 3) and deactivates the androids using the remote control, but is defeated by Cell as he didn't power up in the unseen timeline.

>>147043598
Goku said he could have beaten Fat Buu, but chose to let the next generation handle it since he wasn't going to get to come back again.

>>147043452
>That F.Trunks went back in time once and got the blueprints from that timeline.

So the theory is that a completely different trunks went to what is known as the main timeline, but instead of warning goku just got the killbutton, fair enough.

But wouldn't that still mean no 4th timeline, as he never changed anything that go round? The trunks that killed mecha-Freeza is the same one who came back the second time, he referenced it and the cure and everything, and clearly there was only one Goku getting a cure.

>>147043467
Wait, but Cell going back in time could only exist in a timeline where Trunks went back and got blueprints according to your theory, and it had to be from somewhere, so either Trunks went to the main timeline, which is where the Time Machine was programmed to(Alternate universe, not straight time-travel, remember) to get the blueprints or they found the blueprints another way, and the time machine hadn't been used yet.

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>>147043020

>>147043631
>Goku said he could have beaten Fat Buu
He said he wasn't sure the first time. The second he seems more confident, but the second time he also grossly misjudged Kid Buu's power.

And considering his SS3 transformation only left him with half an hour out of more than 12, I honestly don't think Goku could have won even if he'd tried. Buu was too resilient.

>>147043660
Trunks didn't go to the main timeline first, he went to a timeline that was never shown on tv, then when he came back from that timeline he was killed by Cell.

>>147043614
This makes sense but how the fuck does Trunks' timeline even exist then?

Because Cell's should have been Trunks' original timeline, the unseen is the one Trunks travels too and Goku's is the one Cell creates. So where does Future Trunks 2.0 come from and how does he exist?

>>147043523
literally that Spongebob episode where they go back in time to stop Past Manray

>>147043721
Thats what I asked in >>147043150

>>147043614
Wrong.

>Event 1
Future Trunks travels back in time and gives Goku the Heart Virus Vaccine
>Event 2
2 years later Cell Arrives from Timeline 4
>Event 3
1 year after Event 2, Future Trunks arrives from the Future once again, creating a split
>Event 4
Future Trunks finds Dr. Gero's Lab and destroys it
>Event 5
Alternate Future Trunks finds Dr. Gero's Lab and the Android Blueprints
>Event 6
Alternate Future Trunks returns to the Future and deactivates the Androids
>Event 7
Alternate Future Trunks is killed by Cell
>Event 8
Cell travels back in time to Event 2

Future Trunks->Goku->Alternate/Unseen->Cell

You can literally google this in a myriad of ways.

>>147043714
>Trunks didn't go to the main timeline first, he went to a timeline that was never shown on tv,

The main timeline and that timeline didn't split until he returned, so it was shown on TV.

>>147043614
That's not how the time machine works though, it locks onto specific timelines, Cell going back would only be able to go back to the same timeline that the machine was programmed to, so it had to be the main timeline just like F-Trunk's was.

>There is no possible way the Cell timeline DIDN'T come first.

Untrue, if the theory it's caused by Trunks second jump is correct, then it would only exist in a timeline where Trunks went, went back, went to the main timeline again and then got gero's plans, and finally went back to the future.

It would've been third, just before the main timeline's creation.

>>147043564
>he's mainly stronger because his body is more suited to fighting, and he's more aggressive.
At first piccolo thought that because he could hide his power level, that's why both piccolo and gotenks thought they could take him without ssj gotenks, but it was quickly obvious that anything short of ssj3 was useless.
More proof is that goku says the boys had surpassed him and he thought he could have taken fat buu in ssj3 and was fighting even with kid buu until he ran out of energy

>>147042783
>Bra: 778
Nice meme.
She was born 780. You can find this in the GT Perfect Files and Daizenshuu 7

>>147043714
>he went to a timeline that was never shown on tv

That's not how the machine works, and Cell wouldn't know how to program in a new one. The machine cell used was only progammed for the main timeline, not F-trunks' or one of the other splits.

>>147043758
No dumbass, thats just how it was PORTRAYED to us on tv. We see Future Trunks go back in time so we the viewer assume that happened first. But that's not what ACTUALLY happened first. What actually happened first is another future Trunks that we only briefly see get killed by Cell. Trunks learns about this and prevents it.

>>147043786
Not untrue. You didn't comprehend what I wrote.

>>147043467
This.
I think it is more or less like this:
Future Trunks from Cell Timeline creates the Unseen Timeline and returns back to his time. Cell kills him and uses the Time Machine to go into another point in the past, creating two new timelines(Main Timeline and Future Trunks timeline) because the Cell Timeline and the Unseen Timeline are connected by causality due to the time machine.

>>147043836
If Cell didnt know how to program a new one there would only be two timelines and not three or four, but we know theres at least three.
So whether he knows how to or not is irrelevant. He must have because thats what happened.

>>147043721
>This makes sense but how the fuck does Trunks' timeline even exist then?

Timeline =/= what you're thinking of, they're entirely divergent universes now, that's a plotpoint in the show RIGHT NOW. When the split happens it's a brand new, never before seen universe.

That's why both Cell and Trunk's two trips all ended in the same place despite all three instances causing a massive shift in the timeline, the machine isn't programmed for a 'time', it's programmed for that particular universe.

>>147043807
>More proof is that goku says the boys had surpassed him and he thought he could have taken fat buu
I think you should take what Goku says with a grain of salt, since he often is wrong or outright contradicts himself. Gotenks is strong and severely damaged Super Buu, it's just Buu was too resilient and kept regenerating. SS3 gotenks completely outclassed Super Buu, whereas Goku was only a little stronger than Fat Buu at best.

Guys, this is easy.

Timeline 1: Trunks goes back to the past and gives Goku the antidote. Comes back. Then goes back, gets blueprints and comes back. Creates remote, shuts down androids, gets killed by Cell who travels back in time. This is Cell's timeline.

Timeline 2: The timeline the original Future Trunks came too. Deactivated the androids with the blueprints, Cell never comes because he set the time machine to a time earlier than Trunka did, causing a split.

Timeline 3: The timeline Cell and Trunks 2.0 come to, Goku's timeline, the one we follow now.

Timeline 4: Future timeline we know.

>>147043845
>Trunks learns about this and prevents it.

Yes because Cell told him. Cell can't tell him unless its already happened. It can't already happen, unless Future Trunks caused it.

If the original Future Trunks is dead, then he can't go back in time to create the split where he doesn't get killed in the first place. We know for a fact Cell's timeline only exists due to the Android Blueprints, the Android Blueprints can't exist, unless there was already a previously existing Future Trunks that came back in time to find them. As we see, that can't be the same Future Trunks that we know, and we know for a fact that the Future Trunks we always see is the same one, therefore he came first. Cell and Unseen come last.

Its very basic.

>>147043943
Pretty close but
>Cell never comes because he set the time machine to a time earlier than Trunka did, causing a split.
Actually we dont learn why Cell wasnt in this timeline. Maybe he actually was, or maybe he got destroyed in he lab. Who knows.

>>147043881
>If Cell didnt know how to program a new one there would only be two timelines and not three or four, but we know theres at least three.

Wait what.

There's three because Trunks made two jumps. One jump created a timeline change(because his intervention), then a second jump made bigger changes, because his intervention.

Remember, until he hopped back the second go round, the current timeline was going on exactly as if he never came back, he changed the universe by being there.

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Its not hard people.

>>147043959
A different future Trunks caused it earlier.

This is complicated but not THAT complicated. Cell told him because it did already happen. It already happened because he came from the first timeline. The Future Trunks that Cell tells all this is a Future Trunks from a timeline that Cell indirectly made somehow.

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hi

>>147043943
>Creates remote, shuts down androids,

Did Cell ever say he shut them down in the future? I thought it said he beat them.

>>147044028
Im getting tired of explaining this over and over. But no, youre wrong. Theres four.

>>147043881
>If Cell didnt know how to program a new one there would only be two timelines and not three or four, but we know theres at least three.

Actually, we know there must be 5 timelines because of the green time rings.
Even if you don't think F.Trunks from Cell timeline made a new timeline you still need to remember the total number of timelines is 5.

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>>147044075
He beat them with SCIENCE.

>>147042178
>dumber by the episode
that's a bad thing?

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>>147040258
>>147040748

West Kaioshin survived? Nice.

Waiting for Zangya now. C'mon, Toriyama!! Bring back the waifus!

>Zangya is love
>Zangya is life

>>147044041
Then that wouldn't explain Future Trunks being the same one throughout.

By your logic this is what happens.

>Future Trunks travels back in time and gives Goku the Heart Vaccine (creating Goku's timeline)
>Future Trunks is eventually killed by Cell
>A magic timeline that spawned from nothing pops into existing and the Future Trunks we know also travels back in time to the exact same point the first one did (while someone not existing concurrently with the other Future Trunks) and gives Goku the heart medicine


Not possible. The Future Trunks that killed Mecha Frieza, is the same Future Trunks in the Android Saga, the same Trunks in the Cell Saga, the same Trunks in the Black Saga.

The Future Trunks killed by Cell couldn't have been the one to create the Goku Timeline, as he wasn't the Future Trunks stated above, meaning that one had to have come first and the Future Trunks that is killed by Cell exists due to the Future Trunks we knows actions in finding the Android Blueprints and creating tertiary split.

>>147044154
Yes?

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omg u guyiz stop talking about time travel yer making my head hurt :(

>>147044039
Why is the middle one the Future Trunks timeline when the Cell timeline should be in the middle since it came first.

>>147044165
>Zangya comes back
>Catfights with 18 over Krillin

>>147040748
West Kaioshin is a dead cutie and fuck off with your AF shit.

Why would Kaioshins not know if Kaioshins were dead or not? They'd GET A HALO AND GO TO THE AFTERLIFE ANYWAY

>>147044108
No but seriously this is the crux of the entire argument for a fourth timeline, where does it say he used the remote?

>>147044186
Because it didn't.

>>147044080
>Theres four.

There is 5 now. The Green Time Rings, remember?

>>147044176
No matter which way you think about it there isnt any way to explain why Cell going back in time made two timelines at once. But thats what happened when he did. Trunks from the Cell timeline only made one timeline, the unseen timeline.
Even if you think future Trunks came first, this means that future Trunks somehow made another future Trunks timeline where Trunks defeats the Androids with blueprints even though though thats not what happened to him.

>this argument

I'm sorry Cell anon, but the other anons are right, Future Trunks is the main timeline.

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>>147044203

It'd be like Angewomon Vs. Ladydevimon. With Kid Trunks saying "I know I shouldn't be watching but I can't look away..."

Also Celipa should come back too. Somehow. Dragon Balls. Time Patroller shit, I dunno. Just bring back all the waifus.

>>147044265
No it's not, that doesn't make any sense.
I mean it doesn't make sense either way, but it makes LESS sense for Future Trunks to be first. Then what gave birth to the Cell timeline where Trunks goes back and gets blueprints? Where did that Trunks come from and go?

>>147040786
It's black

>>147044265
What if the 5th timeline is the real main timeline?

>>147044265
The entire fucking point of Future Trunks is that he was going through the SAME THING Cell Trunks did, except this time Cell is there to say "Hey you already did this and I killed you and took your time machine."
This causes a change where Trunks trains instead.

>>147044303
>Cell's Timeline
This timeline follows a similar path to timeline 1 and timeline 2, it notably changes on Future Trunks' second return from the past as in this timeline, Future Trunks returned with the android blueprints from timeline 4, not the massive power increase from timeline 1. The androids were destroyed, but Trunks was not powerful enough to combat Cell. Cell killed Future Trunks and used his Time Machine to go back in time to find the androids, creating timelines 1 and 2.

>4th Timeline
Little information is given about this timeline, This timeline can be seen as the first "version" of timeline 1. (There was only one time dimensional/traveler which was Trunks from timeline 3 who interfered), while Cell from another timeline never came.

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What are the odds that we get a bunch of xenoverse arcs in super?

>>147044363
No. Read what I said in >>147044351

Cell Trunks came first, because it was a timeline where Trunks had no reason to train. Cell going back in time is what prompted a split in Trunks decisions.

>>147044351
>where Trunks trains instead

Trunks had already trained before he even had that knowledge.

>>147044420

Slim.

But if we're lucky the Time Patrollers will have a role in a future DBS arc.

>>147044426
>>147044363
And what Im saying is that Cell's timeline should be called timeline 1 because it cam first.

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>>147044420
.0000000000000001

>>147044426
Trunks trained because the Androids were stronger in Goku's timeline compared to his own.

>>147044420
>yfw when gets ssb and becomes god of destruction of his time line after beating and she becomes his life link kai

>>147044445
I mean train enough to beat the Androids and Cell with raw power stupid.

>>147040748
>Evil Goku
>Evil Kai

Does Toyble have more influence than we thought?

>>147044282
>Dragonball full of top tier waifus
>Zero dating sims even Jap only stuff

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>>147041700
>>147043676
>>>/r9k/
Fuck off and die.

You people somehow understand the Dragon Ball timelines less than Toei does. That's a fucking feat if I've ever seen one, congratulations.

>>147044488
No, Trunks trained because he wasnt able to bring the blueprints to deactivate the Androids with him to the future, Krillin or somebody destroyed the remote because of Cells interfence.

Instead of training why don't they just bring themselves to the verge of death and eat senzu beans over and over?

>>147044420
Demigra needs more love. I heard he got a new form and backstory in Dragonball Heroes.

>>147043051
How was he weaker during the Frieza invasion? He didn't even lose to any of minions.

>>147044527
Stop it, direct them to the /v/ db thread going on.

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>>147044527
I thought you got banned

eng subs when

>>147043854
That's how I always looked at it

Why didn't Zamasu just ask the dragon god to get rid of all ningens and be done with it?

>>147044563

We may get an adaptation of that for DBX2.

>>147044590
BATMAN WHERE ARE YOU SWINGING MY BAT SIGNAL LIKE MAD

>>147044490
Trunks wasn't aware he was killed by Cell until Perfect Cell told him, by that point, Trunks had already trained.

If Trunks had trained as a result of Cell killing an alternate version of him, then he'd not only have knowledge of his death, he'd also have knowledge of Cell, and the blueprints.

If Cell's timeline came first, then the Future Trunks who is killed, was the one who killed Mecha Frieza and King Cold. We know this is not the case, as the Future Trunks we inevitable see in all future Sagas is the one who killed Mecha Frieza and King Cold.

By the logic you guys are using, DB up until Future Trunks killing Mecha Frieza and King Cold is the Unseen Timeline that would eventually lead to Cell killing Future Trunks. With the Android Saga and beyond being a different timeline period. There can't be an Unseen Timeline, if we see it.

>>147044420
The less Super infects Xenoverse, the better. I'm pretty happy that XV2 will only cover the movies, not counting separately sold DLC shit.

I fear for XV3. I don't want them wasting character slots on the mostly godawful Super designs.

So was Goku black confirmed to be Goten in this ep

>>147044603
Because that would make sense.

>>147044542
Trunks had already trained before Krillin destroyed the remote.

>>147044652
Yes, us Gotenfags won

>>147044503
Super's pretty much stolen all it's ideas from derivative works.

>Space Dragonballs from GT
>Red Haired super powerful warrior form
>Multiverse Tournament from that shitty webcomic
>Evil Goku Evil Kai from AF

Is Time Patrol Trunks just one that got pulled out of an irrelevant timeline?

>>147044632
This isnt that fucking complicated. A lot of your post is bs.

The Cell timeline is basically Trunks first attempt. Trunks didnt know Cell existed, so he did.
Cell goes back.
Future Trunks goes through the same steps as Cell Trunks. Except this time there is a Cell that came from the first attempt, changing the events of the arc.
That's all there is to it.

>>147044647
>XV2 will only cover the movies
>source? my Proctologist

>>147044712
He's Future Trunks. He's wearing the same sweater underneath his jacket that he's currently wearing in Super.

>>147044723

It'll cover the movies but everything else, too. Alternate timelines = alternate realities.

>>147044613
That would be nice.

>>147044603
last thread's consensus was something about ningen cock, sounds right to me

>>147044723
Source a dozen interviews, retard. The only Super content you'll see in XV2 is DLC.

>>147044669
Cell changed shit.

You can already see >>147044039 doesnt make sense.
Future Trunks travels back in time and fights the Androids and Cell, and THEN returns from the future, and deactivates 17 and 18 with prints he never got? What? We followed Future Trunks and we never saw that happen, he never got any blueprints to bring into the future.

>>147044603
Because Super is written by very stupid people so the characters are equally stupid.

>Hey goku someone was asking about you and the Super Dragon Balls
>It was Zamasu
>Oh I see, Zamasu made a wish with the Super Dragon Balls!
>OMG GOKU HOW YOU GET SO SMART

>>147044778
I don't want to read interviews with your proctologist, anon.

>>147043854
I just realized that this theory means there's five timelines, because it's a major plotpoint of that entire arc that every single time you use the machine it creates a split.

So there's an unseen timeline where Trunks went back in time and gave Goku the medicine, and then he went to his future, and the timeline continued on from there as if he had never been.

Then he came back a second time, caused another split where his presence created a timeline, and in this theory he got the blueprints and went back to his future and turned the androids off or blew them up or whatever, it's never said exactly.

Then Cell goes back to an entirely different, wholly unconnected timeline to his own and the one Trunks he had killed went back to, and a brand new future trunks did, one who... created the machine earlier? Let's roll with it. That guy, the guy we know and love, came from timeline number three, went to now timeline number four and diced freeza.

Then he left, that timeline is created where he never comes back and changes things, and then yet again he comes back and bam, fifth timeline unvierse, main timeline of the characters.

It's the only explanation under this theory.

>>147044809
>What? We followed Future Trunks and we never saw that happen, he never got any blueprints to bring into the future.

The Trunks that was killed by Cell was coming back to tell everyone of his victory over the androids. How exactly he beat them was never said, people assume he used the blueprints.

>>147044717
Cell can't have changed the events, he came AFTER Future Trunks gave Goku the Heart Virus Vaccine. Goku's timeline only exists due to Future Trunks traveling back in time.

Because Goku's timeline now exists, it allows Cell to travel back in time (2 years AFTER Future Trunks) in order to hatch and find the Androids.

The Blueprints for Cell and Unseen Timelines only exist, because Goku's Timeline exists.

You're under this assumption.

>Future Trunks travels back in time and gives Goku the Heart Virus Vaccine
>Future Trunks travels back to the Future
>Future Trunks travels back to the past
>Future Trunks travels back to the Future with the Android Blueprints
>Future Trunks is killed by Cell
>Cell travels back in time

Now here is where you theory breaks down. Because the timeline that Future Trunks got the Blueprints from, has no Cell. Seeing as how there is no timeline where Future Trunks didn't get the Blueprints in your scenario, means that it doesn't exist for Cell to travel back in time to in the first place, which also means the Future Trunks that we know, can't exist, because in your scenario, only two timelines can exist. Which are neither Z/Super's Timeline, nor the Future Trunks' timeline that we know.

>>147044854
Oh no please don't believe me, your disappointed whining will be entertaining when the game comes out and doesn't cover Super Garbage.

>>147042944
This.

Unless Toei just wants to keep the Son family completely out of plot relevance, I feel like Goten getting cut out at the start of the arc was a pretty good hint of him being Black.

I'm gonna bet that Black being wished into existence idea is a simple red herring.

Why else does he appear at the end of the OP with all the other characters if he only shows up for one episode in the whole arc?

>>147044867
Because it was the blueprints.
If he was strong enough to beat the Androids, he wouldve thrashed Cell too.

>>147042944
They've taken "great pains" for goten to be completely irrelevant throughout the entire DBS.

>>147044921
That's a fair assumption, I'm just pointing out it was never outright said.

>>147044921
>If he was strong enough to beat the Androids, he wouldve thrashed Cell too.

Why? The androids in his timeline were weaker, and just by absorbing people he could match Super-Namek piccolo. Cell was above a supersayin, he could have killed Trunks.

>>147044603
I thought it was established in the sayian arc that you can't wish people dead or some shit because krillin suggested it with vegeta and nappa.

>>147044904
Youre just repeating the same stupid shit and ignoring that that doesn't make any sense. Cell didn't come from Gokus fucking timeline, everyone knows that.

>Because the timeline that Future Trunks got the Blueprints from, has no Cell
How do you know that? Maybe there was a Cell and it was still growing. Maybe they blew up the lab and Cell with it after getting the blueprints. It wouldnt matter because the past doesnt affect the future, and in the future, Cell has gone unchecked. In the past, Cell either got killed or is sleeping somewhere or something, it doesn't mean he didn't exist.

>>147044988
>, and just by absorbing people

By absorbing hundreds of thousands or millions of people, which aren't alive in Trunk's timeline.

>>147044907
But how else will I be able to play as Gowasu and keep asking Zamasu to serve me tea?

>>147044991
No, the Dragon couldn't affect them because they were stronger than the Dragon's creator.
But the Super Dragon Balls are supposed to be the ultimate. It's moronic if they couldn't kill at least the vast majority of ningens.

>>147041322
When gohan and krillian stop being out of shape hubbies and jobbing to foot soldiers

>>147044988
There was nobody to absorb and even Krillin was able to hold off a weak Cell.

>>147045057
Buy the DLC maybe.

>>147044991
That was because Shenron wasn't strong enough but I suppose that big ass golden thing can remove some filthy ningen without that much of a trouble, I don't know