Who is the best mangaka when it comes to paneling?

>>146982384
Toriyama

i love this fucking scene. something so brutal and commonplace about it? no ridiculous oras, just the silent murder of a coward.

also damo's fucking eye hanging out.

ONE

>Who is the best mangaka when it comes to paneling?
What does this even mean

>>146982384
Tezuka
Tatsumi
Otomo
Adachi
Kago
plus some of the 24-gumi like Hagio and Takemiya

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>>146982602
Lrn2SequentialArt

>>146982384
Probably Otomo or Miura I guess. Or Koike Keichi. Toriyama's up there, but not sure I'd put him at the top. Then again it's been years since I've read Dragon Ball so who knows.

Pic related: Koike Keichi's Moebius tribute

>>146982871
>Koike Keiichi
Forgot him, he should be in >>146982728

>>146982871
>Miura
Low-tier. His paneling is static and boring.

>>146982728
There's a lot of interesting panellists from the 60s and 70s. Although, a lot of it is just lost in the stacks of Garo.

There's some really interesting work that Ishinomori did back then.

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>>146982871
Can you show a good example of what you would consider good paneling by Miura? I like Berserk but I don't think there is anything special about his.

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Takehiko Inoue.

The last volumes of Slam Dunk had an incredible dynamism, despite the apparent simplicity of the paneling.

>>146983803
>watermarked Spanish scans
Why?

I can't say that page seems all that great to me, either.

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Soul Eater also had some good stuff at the beginning, before everything went to shit.

>>146982555
Trips confirm

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>>146983015
>>146983247
I will agree it is rather static, and much more in line with the western comic tradition in terms of fluidity, but I wouldn't consider it boring by any means. I admit I clearly seem to be in the minority here though.

>>146983909
I was actually thinking about defending you by posting that exact page, but I didn't have it on hand and didn't feel like looking for it. That's one of the few moments that stood out to me, though, and I think overall I'd have to side with the other guys.

thriller bark eiichiro oda

>>146983855
>Why?
because I didn't want to spent more than a minute to find something that was not blurred as fuck like mangareader, or that had a half-page-sized watermark mangafox-style

>I can't say that page seems all that great to me, either.
well, what can I say? Indeed when you look at any single page it seems simple, but when you have the manga in you hand it suddenly becomes great, I can't explain it better. The dynamism of the paneling and angles once the have the whole thing in front of your eyes, rather than a page out of context, make it a fantastic read.

>>146983955
That's fine, it's a hard position to argue without going all /co/ on y'all (Mostly thinking of european comics) and don't really have the enrgy to argue this. It's definitely not representative of the fluidity of motion that manga's famed for nor the sheer creativity of most of the artists mentioned ITT (Tezuka deserves some pages posted, cause the man's certainly an innovator). And to be totally honest, I was thinkking of that page when I first mentionned him, really don,t feel like digging through 37 volumes to make a point that at best might convince one or two anons to go ''Mmmm, I guess''.

Fun thread though, let's keep this going! Never read any Kago, any thing I should start with in particular, or should I just pick whatever?

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>>146982384
I know no one will agree with me, but my favorite layouts come from Natsuki Takaya because they're exceptionally easy to read. Every page has an easy flow; the type of paneling seems typical shoujo, but it's more than just arbitrarily drawing things outside the panel.

>>146982384
that looks like shit

>>146982384
Dagashi Kashi has decent paneling for something so mundane.

There was a boring manga that I read simply because the paneling made it look interesting. But I don't remember the manga. I guess paneling can only do so much.

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Kumeta does a pretty good job.

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I think Kaneko is breddy gud

>>146982384
ONE, there's simply no competition.

Define paneling

>>146986585
Pretty sure this is a "How much do you value visual direction?" thread but for manga. Storyboarding; panel layout and direction, basically.

Just finished part 4, are there any actually good scans of part 5 around? Otherwise I'll just put the series on hold until there is.

>>146983247
This is just annoying to read

>>146982602
Storytelling.

>>146983909
>and much more in line with the western comic tradition in terms of fluidity

What? When does overly boxy panel compositions equal more 'fluidity'? What do you even mean by more "fluidity"?

Also, as much as I think that the art for Berserk is amazing I think that a lot more artists that are stronger in the panel composition and storytelling department.

>>146984291
Actually, a lot of manga aimed at women and young girls have some amazing paneling and storytelling, in the sheer sense that they are able to convey a lot of emotion within the reader, I feel. For example, like awkward scenes, long pauses, and even love and despair.

>>146988501
He posted it out of context - you've already seen the 2x3 side alone on the previous page (in normal format), and now the panel has begun to rotate.

>>146988960
Can you provide context that would make this less annoying to read?

>>146988844
care to provide me with some examples? I'm not going to nitpick apart anything I just genuinely am curious to see some of this notable story-telling in action

>>146983247
>>146988501
>>146989021
>>146988960
To be honest it's more gimmicky than excellent. Nice idea though.

Paneling, truly the most pretentious art form.

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>>146989117
It's gimmicky for sure - no one's going to want a series structured like that or anything - but it's a 15-page oneshot, cool gimmicks are acceptable.

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>>146989051
Not the other guy but the ambiguous "panelling" in this chapter was quite effective in conveying the fuzzy afluttering feelings of a little girl in love on her date. Blood Alone actually uses this a lot but this chapter is the one I associated with the style.
The last time I read this manga was quite certainly before 2010 though, so it might actually have improved upon this.

>>146989466
>little girls
>knowing what love is
Joke aside and on to your actually point
>ambiguous "panelling"
What do you mean by that? Is it not just read right to left? I like how it looks but it hardly looks ambiguous to me.

>>146989626
It's not the "I don't know what to make of this" kind of ambiguous, what I mean is there isn't any border, the panels just melt into each other so it felt less sequential and more like, eh, flowing. I remembered reading the whole chapter felt kind of like a daze.

>>146989919
I can see a clear distinct cut between every single different scene. But maybe that's just me.

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>>146986476
Kaneko's great.

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What about Urasawa? Always liked his stuff.

>>146986201
really good.

And let's not be pretentious, Kishimoto is really fucking good at panelling as well

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>>146990321
>panelling

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Houseki no Kuni (Ichikawa Haruko) is the last manga that I read good at this.

>>146990321
What is this?

>>146990433
it's got two panels that's enough to count

>>146991096
Looks like Saturn Apartments

>>146989466
That's not targeted at women, though. That's a seinen manga written by a man and targeting male lolicons.

>>146990171
Read more manga.

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>>146990926
I don't think that her paneling is that special. More than anything it's her habit of fluctuating between a minimalist style and a more cluttered style in conjunction with her layouts that make that particular story stick out to me.

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>>146991943
Yup.

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>>146982384
Go Nagai is up there for sure.

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>>146992893

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Anybody else really like Fuyumi Soryo's stuff? I was constantly being impressed when I read Mars.

>>146992893
Go Nagai is such a hero.

>>146984152
Not very good. First of all, the direction of the motion is wrong. If this was an american comic where you read left to right, it would be great, but this is a manga reading the opposite way.

This is not Murata's greatest moment.

>>146993117
She's good at page layouts but her art is pretty bland. For all the praise Mars has I thought it was overrated.

>>146986201
Looks like shit to me

>>146993192
Not him, but I don't think the motion is much of an issue. You start at the top right, that panel directs you to the fist near the top left, and then you descend down and right, along with the punch's motion. I get your complaint since the top panel's motion is going left to right, but that's really just a prep for the actual punch, and I think the effect is worth it. It wouldn't be any better in a left-to-right comic, because the whole concept of a diagonal descent between panels is naturally going to require that sort of prep, regardless of what horizontal direction your language reads in.

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>>146993280
>good at page layouts
She's a master of page layouts

Having zany off the wall paneling isn't the same thing as having good panels. The panels should always serve a purpose in telling the story and not just as an exercise in artistic masturbation.

Hitoshi Ashinano

>>146993447
What makes telling a story NOT artistic masturbation? What makes any aspect of any piece of art not masturbation?

>>146993447
Aesthetics plays a role, don't pretend it doesn't. The only one I'd say might be "artistic masturbation" ITT would be Abstraction, but like the other guy said, it's a short oneshot focused entirely on that, so I don't see much of an issue.

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>>146982384
Ohtaka is great

>>146993447
I agree. It's fine if you want to be experimental in what you do but if you can't tell actually draw a compelling manga while doing so then you should go back to the drawing board.

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>>146993482

>>146993447
Okay. Are you addressing someone in particular, or just felt like sharing that with the class?

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>>146993845

>>146993192
>the direction of the motion is wrong
No, it isn't. It's from the left end of one line to the right end of the lower one, which is the natural motion of reading.

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>>146993887

>>146992863
>>146991943
muchos appreciated

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>>146993955

Bleach have some good paneling.

>>146994280
Correction: had

Great paneling is hard to show in just one page, because it's the sort of thing you appreciate over the course of a sequence. And when it's at its best, you don't notice it at all, because the story and art are flowing perfectly together. And also because of that, it's hard to be "the best" - there's just a group who have reached that pinnacle.

I'd have to say Otomo or Azuma if you made me pick just one, though.

>>146993887
Source?

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>>146986201
Yeah he does

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Mizukami
Hoshi no Samidare in particular got my attention when I bought the english release.
There's also that scene with Yuuhi making the jump across the river to catch up with Samidare and the climax to their fight.

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>>146990926
i was about to post this

this one for me will always be just perfect

Can someone give an example of bad panelling?

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>>146996046

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the absolute madman

>>146996046
You know when you're reading a manga and the text doesn't flow by itself and you can even get confused as to where you need to read next?
That's an example of bad paneling.

>>146992469
sauce?

>>146996119
Western comics have fucked me for this stuff. Japanese are used to reading down whenever they see stuff like this, but I always try to read across.

>>146996159
Disregard this, i'm retarded and need some sleep.

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>>146996119
>Samura will never put full effort into his artwork unless it's porn
Also someone needs to translate his new work about the qt3.14 office lady shock jock/

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>>146996156
I'll take difficult to follow action over hideous, but simple, shit like pic related.

>>146996156
Like>>146996119 ?

>>146996622
That's a consequence of culture. The Japanese see enough 4koma that when they see a layout like this, they'll switch to reading it vertically. Read it that way and it's literally the opposite of an example of bad paneling.

>>146996603
How is this hideous?
It's boring, that's true but it's not detrimental to anything and it doesn't even look bad or messy.

>>146996622
No, that has an order that is evident if you're not literally retarded.

>>146996119
Well what. That's animation without the clarity needed to the artwork. Yutaka Nakamura's way better.

>>146996156
I'm reading Wings of Vendemiaire by Mohiro Kitoh right now and the way he ends is pages (the choice of last panel) is so weird, sometimes it's the beginning of another scene, or sometimes it ends on the next page and then it's a new scene. Feels wrong to me but I'm no expert. But it's hard to follow.

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>>146996622
You never seen what film looks like?


Pretty obvious that's what Samura was going for.

>>146996687
>clarity needed to the artwork.
I beg your pardon?
More clarity would make that worse in context. Samura uses clarity for stopping points in his manga, not movement. Would throw the reader off. Besides, despite what >>146996696 says, it's not supposed to be taken as animation. You're supposed to go through it slowly.

Not gonna argue that fucking Yutaka Nakamura is a better animator than someone who doesn't animate.

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>>146996687
Are you talking about stuff like this, or something else? I don't personally think this kind of scene transition is confusing or even that rare.

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I really like Adachi's. It's pretty simple but I appreciate that he frequently takes a page or two just to set the scene. It gives his manga such a comfy tone.

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>>146983247
Ironically, I think paneling is the only thing about Miura that isn't completely overrated.

Generally mangaka know how to panel. An example of bad paneling though is Tokyo Ghoul during fights. But considering it's Ishidas like first legit manga i'll give him some slack.

>>146996824
>>clarity needed to the artwork.
Clarity for the digital guy to trace it I mean. It's a skill to keep your drawing clean and precise.

But yeah I just said it like that, it's not like Samura really wanted to make something more than what he did.

>>146996825
Yeah I don't really remember, it was this chapter but as I'm flowing though it I can't find the problems anymore. Maybe I was just tired or something.

Though I wonder (since I'm not too knowledgeable), is there some rule of thumb about how to end your pages? Hinting at the next scene like he does might be useful to know what to expect, but ending a scene seem to be working too.

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>>146996872
I think he's basically the god of timing - he knows what to show when, and when to cut to something else, and he manages all these mundane shots of faces and objects and backgrounds perfectly.

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Here's a good example of boring paneling but great timing, imo.

>>146996872
>>146997244
That's nice, I like this kind of thing. I like it in anime too but it's seems even more rare. Maybe in Aku no Hana it was nice, and KyoAni's anime regularly do that too. Often with a manga to anime adaptation, I feel like the temporal dimension is lacking, they should put more screentome "for nothing", that would even be a smart way to save monii.

>>146997338
Pretty typical of Samura. Unless he's drawing action, his paneling is by the numbers as fuck, but his timing is always solid.

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Hiroe sure overuses the few tricks he knows, but I feel like when they work, they really work. I think he's a pretty underrated artist in general.

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>>146997427

>>146997427
>>146997478
can you please stop remind me about Black Lagoon. hurts too much

>>146994403
>And when it's at its best, you don't notice it at all, because the story and art are flowing perfectly together.
This is the type of people who would also say common practice period music was the best music and impressionism period art was the best art.

>>146996903
That's fucking textbook. I like it.

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Mushishi manga is nice, lots of pages have panels superimposed over the scenery which is just right for that immersive, natural feel it.

>>146997559
I don't know about the music part but why would impressionism flow perfectly in particular?

Also I don't totally agree with him but if you have a "reader approach" (without even thinking about paneling and technical things), yes it's kinda the feeling, an untrained guy just feels that he has a pain reading though something, or that it's surprisingly easy. Though a lot of the times it's the whole that matters most, if the story is interesting, that still works.

Why is /a/ so knowledgeable about panelling when the only OC shits ever came out of /a/ were all 4koma?

>>146997759
The same reason that there are more film experts than amazing directors.

>>146997759
You don't have to be a painter to know when a drawing looks like shit, you don't have to be a cook to know when food tastes bad, etc etc.

>>146997787
There's one living film expert in the entire world right now.

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>>146994280
Hope you mean had

>>146997793
Food taste is more a matter of feeling. And a drawing looking like shit doesn't mean it's a bad drawing (cf Taiyou Matsumoto, but a noob would think it's ugly).

But if you know how to do good paneling, so you can judge it, why can't you do it?

>>146997793
While the latter is true, the former is not. There are paintings that common people think ugly but actually worth a lot.

>>146992188
lurk moar

>>146997759
This is where I say that 4koma paneling is perfect for the format.
Inherently lends itself to comedic timing.

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Togashi made some great panels in his prime back in the day (before all his health issues). I like his realistic drawing approach to Level E. It sucks his artstyle has diminished massively (albeit with some of the recent Hunter panels)

>>146997749
It's the same deal to the common, non expert audience. For the music if you followed the common practice period's guideline your music would be guaranteed to sound consonant, easy to please the ear but most likely just flow naturally from one ear to another and the next moment you'd already forget what the hell you just listened to. For the impressionist art the realism and accurate lightning would also make it easier for the common man to appreciate the art's subject.
Same deal for that kind of panelling, really. It's naturally pleasing, but that in itself also makes it very boring and not impactful. That's also why you see all that crazy movements in arts and music to break free of the restrictions of those easily appreciated "goodness" I guess.

>>146998010
Big block panels are good for timing. Every border acts like a period at the end of a sentence. It's why most western newspaper strips are three panels long.

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>>146998132
It hasn't diminished at all, the best paneling he's ever done is in the CA arc (the first few chapters of the palace invasion are fucking perfect) and recent chapters.

It's still realistic at times too.

>>146997827
>arakawa; everything is a mess because the view point keeps changing
>kubo style: clear and impactful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9ukovwwSpk

>>146997343
I've never been overly taken with the whole pillow shots thing in anime, actually, but I really love it in Adachi's series. Maybe it's just the way he does it, or maybe it's something about how panels work compared to cuts, but I get more of a sense of progression from his stuff. It all just feels like it follows and builds in a very deliberate way, and then it's punctuated by a gag or something happening and there's a big payoff

>>146997759
>>146997868
Judging paneling only requires you to judge the single sequence of panels that is on the page. Coming up with paneling requires you to have a sense/thought-process that will let you arrive at good sequences reliably.

>>146998247
>Clear and impactful

In that he has a fetish with negative space and overuses spreads.


And if your criteria for an author being good is the quality of spreads, holy shit does manga have so many better artists in that regards.

>>146997890
Fuck, I miss Spirit Circle ;_;

>>146998326
Yeah I can agree for the uniqueness of "pillow shot" paneling in manga form, it's quite different than in anime now that I think about it.

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>>146998326
>then it's punctuated by a gag or something happening and there's a big payoff
Fuck, got distracted by that other post and forgot to finish. There's a payoff like on this page, where the moving punch-ball and then the shocked face sort of break the tension that's been building.

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>>146998394
He makes really good use of those 'nothing' panels, like this page right after the TV talks about Wakaba. Delaying Koh's reaction with slow, mundane scenic shots makes it really hit you when he finally cries.

>>146998367
>I have nothing to say so let's bash the mangaka

We're talking about paneling, the panels you showed all flowed badly from one the next.

>>146998644
The panels I showed?

I posted Samura. Which is excellent.

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This series is fuckin nuts

>>146998835
Hanazawa's got an eye for good angles/perspectives, but he's just lazy as shit with a lot of his artwork and filtering and reuses models for everything from those damn masks to people walking down the street. I really can't stand him.

>>146982384
Togashi.

>>146998835
Not a big fan of crossing the 180 barrier there.
I know the actual composition requires it, but I still don't like it.

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>>146998910
That's fair, but he's got fucking game when he decides to give a shit.

>>146998835
I really don't like that. The flow flips around and the third panel is awkward.

I'm actually assuming it's awkward on purpose. If so, it's great. If the context is supposed to be "cool" or "badass" it fails completely.

>>146999036
The point of the whole series is that he's awkward, actually.

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post part 6 Araki is mind blowing.

>>146998928
The down, down, up angle, reverse of the panel arrangement is really fucking with me

>>146999170
is part 7

>>146982384
Oima Yoshitoki is pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-6Xz4tWigM

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>>146996942
new stuff isnt that bad desu. although this is 5 years later so... his early panels are kinda bad.

someone post that page of Bleach where all that you can see is pictures of people's feet as they sprint to action.

>>146982384
Araki's good at paneling, but this is not a good example of it

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I'll throw in Nakaba Suzuki. Paneling is one of his strengths and it's a joy to follow his layout and choice of perspectives/camera angles when you actively take note of it while reading. If I had to name one guy to give lectures to new mangaka on how to do paneling, it's him.

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Nakaba is top tier

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Not representative of his average work, but he has a couple of interesting one-shots involving paneling.

The paneling in Takemitsu Zamurai is 10/10

>>147002437
Yeah. I don't know how you other anons define paneling, but to me, it's the art of "keeping the eye entertained" with interesting ways to present what's happening, while laying out the flow of the story in a seamless, easy to follow way. Bonus points for not giving of a feeling that a mangaka is wasting pages. Suzuki has it down perfectly, IMO.

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>>147002777

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GOAT: Takao Saito
2nd: Goseki Kojima
Underrated: Hiroshi Takahashi

Actual all time GOAT across any medium: Frank Miller or Jim Steranko.

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>>146982384

>>146998132
Agree with this anon >>146998242
The start of the Ant arc is probably the closest to Level E's rough style, but without the shading. Palace Invasion is definitely his best work though.

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>>147002416
>>147002437
He's got to be up there.

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>>146996046
This is what bad paneling looks like.

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>>146997813
Who is that?

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>>146987912
So is this good paneling?

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>>146996046
Nightow comes to mind when I think of bad paneling. Don't misunderstand, I love Trigun dearly and I like his artstyle, but nevertheless, Nightow isn't very good at conveying flow of action. Panels often feel disjointed or convoluted. During action scenes you'll have to double back now and again to figure out what the hell's going on. Once you stare at it for a bit you figure it out, but the flow of information doesn't come naturally. Haven't read Kekkai Sensen, so I can't say if he's gotten better at it now, than he was during Trigun.

Also, some may disagree, but I'd throw in Kubo during later Bleach (somewhere around HM arc onwards). The story is easily comprehensible, so it's not similar to Nightow's case, but I think he takes up too much page space for the story he wants to tell. As another anon said, he's too much in love with negative space and uses page spreads more often than necessary, so the impact of this stylistic device is watered down. The negative effect of him wasting pages is lessened a bit if you have all volumes readily at your disposal, but when looked at from a weekly 18 pages schedule, it's rather detrimental and adds to the feeling of not enough happening. I'm just going out on a limb here, but I think a different mangaka, who's better a paneling, could have told the latter half of Bleach with a quarter less volumes, without omitting stuff or having less artistic value whatsoever.

>>146996046
Oh Great.

I like his designs, the girls he draws are also fantastic, but his manga also tend to be messy, cluttered and somewhat 'static' (which is inevitable since some of the designs are really elaborate) so it kind be quite hard to make out what's going on sometimes.

>>147005697
>it kind be quite hard to make out what's going on sometimes.

The writing doesn't help to understand what the fuck is going on too

>>146996046
Miura
Oh Great

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>>147005235
The one and only.

>>147006158
Cool, he seems neat. Thanks.

>>146997868
>Food taste is more a matter of feeling.
That's how people get obese anon

>>147006606
You just have to control yourself.

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>>147006531
He's considered a meme by a lot of people who dismiss him as a contrarian but I think he's the only professional writing about movies who actually has the knowledge and integrity to be worth listening to.

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>>147006601
Manga is read from right to left. But once it's translated in English, we must read each sentence left to right. This conflicts with the flow of panels. So you should write manga letters like "srettel" .

>>146994550
Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou

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>>146982384
My vote goes to Shake-O

The man is brilliant.

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>>146982384
Araki's paneling is hit or miss. I feel like it fits motion more these days, as if it were made for MAD's or something.

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>>147004489

>>147007431
>>146982384
God damn recent Jojo art looks amazing. I think it'll be time for me to start reading the manga once the part 4 anime is over

>>146996046
Late Naruto is a fucking mess

>>147002777
>>147002843
It's a goddam shame he chose to prioritize Prison School over this.

>>147007717
Unfortunately period dramas don't sell and tits do

>>146987971
There's good scans on bato.to up until about 3/4s of the part with more on the way. Take it slow and there'll probably be some up to at least the final fight. After part 5 is done, it's smooth sailing from there, as the rest of the series has good scans. Just whatever you do, don't skip parts under any circumstance.

>>146982555
This.

"Fuck paneling, have an entire chapter that is only one panel"

http://www.mangareader.net/the-legend-of-koizumi/48/2

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>>147006546
That book is amazing

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Tsutomu Nihei

>>147008714
That's a spread, there aren't any panels. Nihei's great with backgrounds, though. The guy used to work as an architect.

>>147007127
really makes u think

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CLAMP is the best panelist, but not the best anything else.

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>>147004489

>>147007431
this panel reminds me of some of those comics in Heavy Metal magazines form the 80s.

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Peak Shirow is my favourite. Too bad he'll never make anything good again

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>>147010317
Making coherent action sequences with a high panel count is tough, but he could do it.

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>what is good paneling?
vaguely speaking, it's when artists give the right amount of space to the right elements to signal the right amount of importance to the reader.


>>146993447
i honestly prefer simple but well structured paneling.
as long as the panel sizes differ and you have a good "shot selection" you can't go wrong. you'll be able to tell a good story with those means.
overly elaborate stuff needs to be saved for the right moments.

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>>147010703
i think it also needs to pull you right in and make you want to read on.

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>>146996046
I wouldn't call it bad, but a lot of Oda's stuff is pretty mediocre and doesn't do much to emphasise whats going on.

>>147010804
This looks like an amazing page compared to the ones I see now and then, 90% of OP is a complete clusterfuck.

>>147010804
I agree, I love One Piece but the paneling quality has been going steadily downhill. It's starting to become difficult to follow the action or tell what's going on during a fight.

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Togashi used to do some interesting stuff occasionally.

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>>147011140

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>>147011189

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Sonoda is pretty great.

>>146982871
>reads Will (((Eisner))) once
Armchair experts never fail to fail

>>147007127
>>147006601
Also what I noticed it's pretty easy to seperate a bubble into multiple smaller ones in japanese, since you can split the sentence easier.

>>146996603
Wasn't Tintin published as one page a week? I don't think its a fair comparison.

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>>147011140
>>147011189
>>147011221

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>>147012196

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>>147012196
"Used to" being the key words there.

Do you ever tier of posting those? Do you ever tier of other posters posting this after you've posted those?

>>147005458
Defintely

>>146982384
Ishida for me. Even though he uses meme-tier backgrounds and speech patterns for his characters imho his art blends into his story perfectly. He is my favorite visual storyteller at the moment.

>>147010209
That's pretty good, don't intend to ever read Naruto but as long as he doesn't use this too often that's a really neat way of showing a fight.

>>146988732
You can't fucking read.

>>147009817
>not the best anything else
If anything they're most famous for their outfit designing before paneling.

>>147012609
ishida is literal shit tier right now.
ever since :re he's been slowly putting more and more emphasis on art or style OVER paneling. it's a mess.

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>>147012699
kishimoto isn't that bad.

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>>147013201
k

>inb4 lol your example simply proves my point
k

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>no watsuki
plebs

>>147012699
I can only recall two times he did, that and in the last fight he did something similar but with hand-to-hand. I remember that spread stood out at the time, it was supposed to be a climactic fight in the overall plot and that was definitely a hype way to start it off.

>>147011332
>loli pantyhose pantyshot
Based.

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One of my favorite panels

I also have to say that simple full page panels of Guts slicing multiple enemies in half never gets old.

>>147013994
i know he does some decent ones every now and then, just like he used to.
but he fucks up way more often than not nowadays

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>>147014331
Kishimoto has his moments, here and there.

>>146997338
Is that good or just edgy garbage?
'cuz I kind of liked it

>>147014402
To each his own, I only started liking TG at the last chapters and I'm loving RE, even if right now is not my favorite arc. IMHO his story has good flow and balance between story and exposition, it's rarely that there are chapters with either zero action or zero story development involved. Also I feel that he is more concerned with page-to-page than panel-to-panel flow, and in online readers this works very well. His spreads have enough impact to justify their existence.

>>146982384
Kubo isn't the best but he's damn fucking good.

Almost everything happening is crystal clear.

>>147014685
It's really good edgy garbage, read it if you want to experience the feeling of failing "to protect that smile" over and over and over again.

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>>146982427
He is legit one of the best.

>>147002777
This is so awesome. You rarely see things done up like this. You get a great feeling for the scene.

>>147014808
>3 panel pages
>the best
It's shit, anyone can keep it simple and make things easy to read, skill is in having something complex that's still digestable.

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>>146999552
I like the way he did the action in TG

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>>147016229

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>>146994077

>>146997244
I didn't notice, but I wonder how much that kept me reading. His art is sort of plain, but I still read all of H2 and Katsu.

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>>147018710

Araki is easily the most overrated mangaka in /a/ alongside Miura. Neither is a particularly good artist, they just try very hard. But neither has any real understanding anatomy, perspective or movement. They're definitely way inferior to true geniuses like Yaz, Inoue and Samura.

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>>147018817

>>147018787
I agree but Araki's on a superior manga level than Miura imo, his stylish style is way more developed than Miura's "muh realism" when it's not-style, and ton of bland lines everywhere killing the pages' balance. With a few exceptions.

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>>147018787
While I agree, he is nowhere near as overrated as Miura on /a/
What Araki lacks artistically he makes up for in design, style and visual storytelling.
He also works with colours really well, although that's outside of manga.

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Frankly, what "makes" good paneling remains fuzzy to me but I love the way most or at least last 120 chapters of TG flow.

>>147018787
No one thinks Araki is technically an amazing artist, he just has the most style out of anyone in the biz. He's not overrated, his strengths are just in different places. Quit being autistic.

>>146992893
>>146993053
this looks embarrassingly bad.

>>147020858
If you could make a list of how to have good paneling editors would have done so and every single manga would look the same.

>>147020858
Layouts like this, with huge panels on one side and multiple smaller ones on the other, confuse me. It just never looks good to me, because you always end up seeing the other panels at the same time as the bottom half of the big one and it messes up the flow.

>>147022902
But in this case, the top panels make complete sense with the right side

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>>147014331
That fight was great, it was stupidly fluid

>>147020858
>>147023587
I feel like this panelling only works in thumbnail or when you're holding it in your hands. When you can see the whole image the dark figure on the bottom draws your eye immediately and the motion then flows quite well up->left->down again. When the image is enlarged and you have to scroll down to see him it completely falls apart.

>>147025055
You realise it's made with paper in mind right?

>>147011140
>used to
That's garbage compared to HxH's best.

>>147025161
Yes. That's kind of what I'm saying in my post, anon.

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>>147025220
>to HxH's best.

>>146999352
>post part 6

so is 7 not after 6 now?

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>>147025369

>>147025220
I don't know why you would compare it, the YYH panel is mediocre at best.

Level E and HxH are better at paneling >>147005885

>>147025451
Holy kek that perspective

>>146997654
I love Mushishi, but its paneling isn't the best, it's very bad tbqh

>>147025518
That's a neat fight. I've been meaning to watch this but I guess I'll go the manga route?

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>>147026033
Manga's the best bet, just make sute you grab the Viz translations from nyaa.

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>>147014808
>>147005885

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>>147026784

>>147026784
what the fuck is the ugly guy's problem?

All of the artists that immediately came to mind have been mentioned already. Good job, /a/.

>>147007427
Severely underrated artist. I think Hitomi-sensei is great for a lot of reasons, but since this thread is about panelling, I'll just second your opinion here. When they're being conventional, they're very competent, and when they're doing something more unconventional, they create really interesting and effective layouts. They can even do gimmicky things well, too - even when intentionally bizarre, it still reads very naturally. In a somewhat related comment, it's also worth noting their use of SFX is very good, with that page giving one good example of how they incorporate them visually. I really like their art style, too.

>>147008714
>>147009146
I like Nihei's panelling too, but a one panel spread isn't a good example. It's simple, but effective. I think it's linked to how spatially aware he is, which probably comes from his background in architecture. In everything he draws, it always feels like he's very conscious of where everyone is, how far apart they are, what's around them, what structure the surrounding buildings have, and so on. His panelling really helps to convey the sense of scale in his worlds, and to convey timing. His fight scenes work really well as a result, too.

>>147026420
So all dem hiatus' are for him to find references?

>>146994077
How is this mango called?

>>147029180
YKK

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>>146982427
>>147014808

this

>>147029180

Yokohama Kaidashi Kiko

Comfy as fuck series

>>147029240
Ty man

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>talking about paneling
>no mention about Matsumoto

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>>147030428

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>>147030528

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>>147030666

>>147030722
Takemitsu Zamurai has been mentioned I believe

>>147031001
yes here >>147002532
Didn't saw it sorry

>>147005498
>Haven't read Kekkai Sensen, so I can't say if he's gotten better at it now, than he was during Trigun.
I think he definitely has, of the seven volumes I read I only remember having to stop once or twice to try and parse what's going on, whereas there were multiple cases in a single volume of Trigun that would confuse me.

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>>146982384
Paneling has always been ONE's strong suit

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>>147034093

>>147034141
>>147034093
>>147033961
His paneling also has great comedic timing. The great flow between panels really compensates for his shit art.

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>>147034141
>>147034266
Exactly

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>>147034285

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>>147034405

>>147033961
>>147034093
>>147034141
>>147034285
>>147034363
>>147034405
>>147034463
Stop, this is making me want to re-read Mob Psycho and Monster Association again

>>146990321
Saturn Apartments was so good. I honestly can't think of anything I'd change.

>>147036621
Iwaoka said at the end that the series was exactly what she wanted it to be from start to finish, which is really nice considering how many manga get rushed endings or dragged out until they're canceled now.