How much value do you put into visual direction?

Enough to avoid SHAFT like the plague.

A lot.

>>146842046
Fucking Yuki Yase. I'll still watch, but Zaregoto deserves better than this.

Why do they feel the need to butcher all Nisio's books like that? Why only Katanagatari was spared from SHAFT?

>>146842046
none

Is this the new season of Bakemonogatari?

>>146843037
I think that's exactly what Shaft/Aniplex are hoping people will think.

>>146842046
A lot. Most anime look like shit tough.

Anyone who cares about visual direction would stay away from Shaft.

>>146845462
Kill yourself.

>>146842046
Enough to drop shit like that pic

>>146842143

>>146842046
I care more about character design, and those in your pic do not convince me at all.

>>146842046
Why dont they use movie Kizumongatari visuals?
This current one looks outdated to be honest

>>146845749
Zaregoto is going to look like shit without the original art style.

>>146845993
Why did they give it a bad director? So many questions.

>>146842918
>words and stills: the adaptation

>>146846149
Everyone else is busy

I still don't get the hate.

>>146846545
[incoherent rage about Aniplex]

>>146846545
Shaft has moved on from this style with the release of Kizumonogatari. This looks like a cheaper version of an older Monogatari series adaptation.

The original art style looks hundreds of times better but this doesn't resemble it in the slightest and makes the characters look generic.

>>146846647
>implying shaft will use Kizumonogatari style ever again

Too much work for tv series

>>146846688
Actual animation is too much work for Shaft.

>>146842143
Pretty much this.

>>146846545
Monogatari sameface and poor directing.

>>146842143
>>146845735
>>146846727
Shinbo and Oishi are going to set Shaft back on the right path again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQueNq-pEl4

SHAFT is dreadful.

>>146842046
Good visuals can't carry a shit show, but a shit show can carry good visuals. Following that logic, visuals are among the lowest in importance.

>>146842046
it's impossible to separate it from the rest of the package, so I rate it equally with everything else, I guess. you may as well ask
>how much value to you put into value?
gee I wonder, maybe a lot???

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>>146842046
a lot.

if anime isn't harnessing the unique advantages of its medium, it should be done in a different format

>>146846850
They should leave Shaft.

>>146846921
>but a good show can carry shit visuals.
Fixed

>>146846850
That looks like shit though. Nothing but flapping mouths and mediocre animation and art.

>>146847156
stills from the 80s look cool as fuck. I just wish the animation itself was better

>>146846981
You must have ridiculously high standards for TV anime if this looks like shit to you, more importantly though it's a step in the right direction for Shaft.

>>146842967
Are you blind?

>>146846921
Good visuals can't carry a shit show, but good visuals can turn a mediocre show into a good show.

Similarly, shit visuals can drag down a good show into shit territory.

>>146847235
You must have ridiculously low standards for TV anime if that looks good to you. Although I suppose it is a a step in the right direction.

Seriously though, the majority of seasonal anime nowadays looks better than that, animation-wise.

>>146846053
Zaregoto is going to look like shit with SHAFT in charge.

>>146842046
it adds to the sum total of how good something is
but I wouldn't watch a shit anime with 10/10 visual direction
what I despise the most is shit writing

>>146846545
That is literally gimmicky direction. Giving one show another show's exact same direction style is fucking sin in my books. It's lazy, it's disrespectful, it's desperate, it's untalented, and not to mention that the style they are copying was already cheap to begin with.

>>146847156
We cyberpunk now

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A lot which is why Naruto is my favorite anime

>just got into monogatari series
>people here hating on Shaft

Shit son, didn't know there were plebs here who can't appreciate art.

>>146847925
If you think anything other than bake is well directed you're the pleb.

>>146842046
I thought I was looking at some random Monogatari show

Just because a show has the same author doesnt mean you can copy and paste everything.

>>146848033
Nisemonogatari is great, S2 is looking good as well. Only one that seems week to me so far is Nekomonogatari.

>>146848130
Probably turned out that way because it frequently refers to stuff that happens in Kizu

So does anyone know how the OVA's will be released?

>>146848366
Monthly on BD and DVD, starting next month

>>146848130
Everything after Bake has poor storytelling

>>146847566
How does it look like shit? The animation may not be anything special, but I don't think that's too important for an adaptation like this and the manga's designs and tone have been captured very well based on the PV. It looks fine and it should hopefully be well directed.

>>146848902
I hope Shinbo will direct more and this won't be a one thing

>>146842046
This shit looks like Mekakucity Actors.

>>146849437
At the very least it seems like he might storyboard stuff for once

>>146848130
Nisemonogatari is the worst.

It depends on what a show is like. If it wasn't for the visuals, Monogatari would be shit. But Shinbo and SHAFT saved it and turned it into the beauty that it is today.

>>146849742
Shinbo had nothing to do with it and most of the series is shit.

>>146849742
That's funny because the visuals are literally what is stopping me from watching it. Way to turn something into trash.

>>146849558
Good.

>>146847890
man, Kaguya was such a shit-tier "final" boss, though that's obviously been discussed enough

>>146842143
So much this.

Holy shit SHAFT is pure garbage. 0% innovation, 0% animation.

>>146847890

I guess you differentiate art quality and direction? Art quality in episodes lately is godawful. It almost makes me think why they even bother animating the show, if they are going to do such a quarter-assed job of it.

>>146847890
Too bad Naruto can't always look like this

>>146846545
They are hacks who manage to sell a lot by pandering to the most idiotic fringe of the Japanese society, while presenting it as higher artistic work at the same time. People hate that, seeing a successful conman.

If their success was legitimate, or their incompetence was unsuccessful, no one would have hated them.

>>146842046
How can this look like trash while 3gatsu looks so good?

>>146851218
>If their success was legitimate
how was it not

>>146849918
Would you prefer if it had looked the way most LN adaptations do?

>>146851280
Does it have to be? Is there no middle ground between gimmicky bullshit and completely generic shit?

>>146851272
because they had no success
>cue financial reports

>>146851396
Don't know about financial success, but they certainly are popular and don't have to worry about getting shows

>>146842046
Reminder: Visual direction isn't about pretty pictures or abstract framing, it is entirely about cinematography that informs the narrative. For the best examples see the work of Ryuutarou Nakamura, Hideaki Anno and Naoko Yamada.

>>146851453
>don't have to worry about getting shows
this is like saying "slaves don't have to worry about getting a job"

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>>146842046
What's with all the center framing? Haven't they heard about the rule of thirds?

>>146851272
it was designed to fulfill the most self-destructive needs of a dis-functioning part of their country's youth. That success is based on the appeal to their lowest fetishes, not on the artistic value of its script or its animation.

>>146851546
What's even worse is that the bottom left one is off-center.

To answer your question, no. Look at any Shaft show. They only know close-up, necktilt, UNCANNY angles and long shots. Always centered.

>>146851627
Ew
Someone needs get them to watch Barry Lyndon

>>146851543
omg it's like he thought she loves him xD

>>146851676
It's not that they don't know about it, they are just contrarian and gimmicky like that.

>>146851543
Wow that scene looks so shit. Likely cherry-picked though, I've seen some good clips from Hyouka and I know Yasuhiro Takemoto has produced better work than this. This would ruin the entire episode though, imagine waiting for this big build up and it's fucking comical.

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>>146851543
>visual direction

>>146851938
>imagine waiting for this big build up and it's fucking comical.
It's literally the first scene of the episode, and it's hardly comical. In fact, the abrupt change of color palettes and reaction is just another piece of storytelling, and not for comedy.

Also please stop samefagging.

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>>146851881
so if the majority of cinematic heritage is based off of principles that allow for good photography, they're being contrarian by being bad?

>>146851559
>That success is based on the appeal to their lowest fetishes, not on the artistic value of its script or its animation.
Since when have successful anime ever been successful due to those things though?

>>146852065
Yes, pretty much.

>>146852064
I posted >>146851938 and >>146851997
one as my immediate comment and the other illustrating the visuals I didn't like, that is hardly samefagging.

Literally look at the second image in >>146851997 and tell me that isn't comical.

I'm a KyoAni fag as much as the next guy, I named Yamada among to industry legends as a pinnacle of visual direction, but that scene is poorly handed and very heavy-handedly dealing with simple themes.

>>146852281
Good thing I posted it in reply to a post that said that visual direction is about narrative and storytelling, right? I could write you a long paragraph about the visual storytelling in that short clip.

And I still don't get what you dislike about those frames.

>>146852394
She shrinks exponentially in the second frame, within a single shot she goes from normally sitting in a chair to the chair being massive behind her, with her body remaining normally proportioned and consistent. It might make sense within the medium of anime if she had deformed or went chibi or something along those lines, but from the way it is edited and the character's disconnect from the background it just appears as though someone fucked up. If you want to explain that the dramatic shift in her size is supposed to represent her vulnerability when asking for a favour or something along those lines, go ahead, but having watched the scene without context and that shot only lasting 2 seconds I can tell you I was disorientated in such a way that was comical.

The shift in colour scheme could definitely work, especially considering the postures in the brief final frame of the clip would indicate some kind of subsiding tension, but the fact that it occurs during the fucked up shot previous, again, all I could assume was that someone fucked up.

I am 100% willing to read your long paragraph and do want to get convinced, I've been looking forward to watching that show and don't want this example to set the bar low, but as it stands I maintain it looks fucking dumb as heck.

>>146852864
>She shrinks exponentially in the second frame, within a single shot she goes from normally sitting in a chair to the chair being massive behind her, with her body remaining normally proportioned and consistent.
If I understand correctly what you're trying to say here, you're wrong. First of all, that's a bench, you can see it from other angles. Second of all, she's standing. Else, if you're talking about those couple frames where the background shrinks faster than her, that's because it's replicating a sort of dolly zoom effect (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv41W6iyyGs).

>I can tell you I was disorientated in such a way that was comical.
It's not supposed to be comical, it's more supposed to be underwhelming, which is helped by the center framing. Almost comically underwhelming, but if you watch it with sound you can see that it wasn't a gag.

>but the fact that it occurs during the fucked up shot previous, again, all I could assume was that someone fucked up.
This is because you watched it out of context. A "rose-colored life" is mentioned in the intro of the show, and it's a recurring theme of the overarching development of the show. The pink in this scene means that Oreki feels like he's gaining (to put it simply) a rose-colored life, but when Chitanda said what she said, he realized he was not, so the pink suddenly vanished. Showing a sort of realization and again, being underwhelmed.

Also, this isn't even the paragraph that I said I could write.

If you really are interested in the show, and want to see with your own eyes how the direction in that shot fares in context, I say you should see for yourself. That scene is the very first scene of episode 3, so it won't take you long to get there.

>>146852065
I hate hate hate this film.

More isn't always better.

>>146853603
>dolly zoom example
>not Vertigo

>>146853603
>>146852864
And I forgot to mention: what you really should be complaining about is the inconsistency of the bench's design from cut to cut.

>>146853638
I wasn't familiar with the terminology, so I looked it up and that was the closest term I could find.

>>146851362
>gimmicky

It's art, not a gadget, it doesn't have gimmicks.

>>146853778
no I was just chastising you for not using an example from the film Vertigo, which is the most famous (and best) use of it

>>146853936
Sorry, anon. I disappointed you.

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A good deal.

>>146854063
wings of mayonnaise sucked

>>146853603
why did you like an example of the dolly zoom, do you really not think that people know what it is?

>>146842046
Almost none. Shows like Hibike that are artful and pretty are nice I suppose but it's one of the least important aspects of a show

>>146854283
Because the person I replied to thought it was some sort of editing error, so he obviously didn't know what it is.

>>146854063
source?

>>146842046
Pretty much this >>146848099

Of course it will sell well since nips doesn't really care with animation & Its LN already had big fanbase.
But I'm not gonna watch this shit.

0. visual direction is the most pretentious thing I've ever seen.

>>146854585
>>146854272

>>146854063
Really excellently directed film.

Too bad its so meh.

>>146842046
A bit.

>>146842046
It's pretty important, but a complete waste if the show itselfis bad. See Hyouka, for example.

>>146846545
Literally one dude trying to push his conspiracy theory about the Japanese government using Sony and Aniplex to sink the anime industry. Best to just report and ignore.