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Why is he so damn likable?

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Why is he so damn likable?
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>crickets

He's only likeable when he's bantering with Meebo.
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>>146838932
because he's a cute nerd.
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Most sheepfuckers from secluded country places are alright.
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>>146838932
You just want to fuck him, right? Can't blame you.
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>>146839116
Nah, he was great with both Lailah and Edna. Fujoshit goggles too tight
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>>146841074
Sorey is not for sexual.
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The important thing is that Rose needs to fuck off and die.
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>>146841074
What? N-no.
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>>146841074
anon, sorey is too pure for lewd.
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>>146841391
Meebo pls
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>>146841489
>ywn be bullied by Edna
jdimsa. Meebo is lucky to have her AND Sorey.
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>>146838932
Because he has a personality and interests outside of muh justice
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>>146838932
He's alright. But he's my least favorite Tales MC in the past decade. Luke, Yuri, Kor, Asbel, and Milla are better than him. It's the writing's fault for making him nearly static throughout the whole game and doesn't really connect with anyone to develop his character.
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>>146841489
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Alisha a cute
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>>146838932
Because you're a homosexual voyeur.

He's bland as hell.
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MOCHIRON!
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>>146838932
Do i need to have played any of the games to watch this show?
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>>146842765
You need to play all Final Fantasies first
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>>146842765
no
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>>146842765
no.

>>146842642
>heard it in his voice
fuck, how many times does he say that?
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>>146842765
It really caters towards people who have played the game.
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Edna > all
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>>146838932
Perfect husbando. Mikleo is stupid lucky.
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>>146843118
Hail Edna, the greatest beauty in the century
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>>146843166
>Sorey will never put his strong hands on your waist
stupid lucky Meebo.
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>>146843174
I wonder if Eizen will let me marry her.
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>>146843174
I would hail and princess carry Edna.
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>>146843336
you'd have to let him punch you first.
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>>146843166

Sorey is the lucky one who got a qt, perfect and eternally loyal waifu.
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>>146843469
Punch-punch, or fiery punch?
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>>146843642
they're both lucky desu
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>>146843844
They are such close brothers
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>>146843884
the closest brothers. kissing brothers
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>>146842559
Who?
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>>146843784
I'd say fiery punch, this is his precious little sister we're talking about.
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>>146844069
Suffering Princess who Rose replaced.
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>>146844180
Rose is cute too. I can never turn down a girl who dual wields swords.
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>>146844157
I'll take it on the chin, I'll either die or survive and hopefully get some approval from Nii-san.
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>>146841172
>>146841431
Can I take naps with him and use his stomach as a pillow? I'd be fine with that.
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So how do I marry the onii-san instead?
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>>146844509
that's acceptable but you'll have to fight Mikleo, he already uses Sorey's stomach as a pillow.
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>>146838932

I think it's the heels.

I normally hate male leads, but he does nothing to me. It's like my brain thinks it's a girl.
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>>146845494
I want to do naughty things to Magilou
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>>146844180
Speaking of which they've really lessened her presence in the anime.
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>>146842765
No.
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>>146838932
>Why is he so damn likable?
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>>146846164
she's not really in the beginning that much, is she? mostly in Ladylake. i guess they cut out her boss fight. she'll probably show up in the next episode.
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>>146847499
She's was in several scenes including in the meeting with Sorey and Bartlow, Ave several 2 boss fights but the anime removed most of her appearances.
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>>146847499
Not that it's a bad thing mind you her appearances were forced.
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>>146848078
Yeah, I'm really liking how they're going about things in the anime.
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I thought this show would be garbage, but the visual FX are fucking crazy good.

The way they do water/particles/beasts. Really well done.
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>>146842559
Her suffering face is cute.
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Why does a princess wear this lewd clothing anyway?
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>Bland McBland
>Likeable
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>>146848502
knights have to be comfy under their armor, i guess.
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>>146845579

Why are elves always 10/10 sluts?
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>>146848502
She can't even hold a bowl of water. She should be glad she is the most attractive girl in the game.
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>>146848502
I'm still waiting for this outfit
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>>146848804
She is so cute when she is suffering.
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>>146848742
They just are.
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>>146848959

Berseria anime when?
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>>146849039
2018
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>>146845579

This is an outfit optimized to make the enemy want to fuck you instead of killing you. Elf wisdom is really amazing at times.
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Because his theme is healing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7jgfAFGAUQ
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>>146849194
Well, it's working. I don't know if that would make me her enemy or not though.
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>>146838932
He's not too offensive or too cliche. He's smart and super pure and friendly to everyone. Ultimately did his job well all things considered. He is a loving husbando who came back to his waifu after centuries despite the odds of not remembering him.

To be stuck in a shit game with a subpar cast and atmosphere, he's perfectly okay.
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>>146838932
Mikleo pls.
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>>146848456

I will protect her smile.
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>>146849452
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>>146849299

>Sorey, Alisha and Zaveid all get themes
>Mikleo, Lailah, Edna and Dezel get their temple remixes as their themes
>Bazinga girls gets nothing

Sasuga, Baba.
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>>146849831
Fuck off Mikleo, don't you have husbandofagging to do?
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>>146850109
>>146849299

>mfw Dezel's theme
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>>146850109
Journey's End is also considered to be about Sorey and Mikleo so all renditions of the song could also count as their theme.
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>>146850168
why do you think i'm here?
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>>146850399
Go please Sorey before he starts jerking off to ruins again, you lowlife
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This thread needs more of the BEST.
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>>146850969
i agree but you didn't post him
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>>146843469
>Eizen will never punch you
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>>146850969
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>>146842275
You're conveniently ignoring Ludger and Jude.
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>>146843961
>human boy
>seraph that used to be a human boy
>living together forever as seraphs

Fatebound from the start. I wish every story was so profoundly satisfying.
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>>146852458
Nothing wrong with Ludger.
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I actually like this anime a lot more than the game.
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>>146855808
me too. i'm a little worried, though, because they're still covering the part of the game that wasn't that bad to begin with. i hope they don't fuck it up after the Hyland-Rolance battle.
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>>146838932
Sleigh is cute, CUTE!
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>>146855808

It's been nicely done. I won't drop it at this point but I wonder how they're going to include Rose or if they'll just keep her out of the way. I don't think they can get rid of her entirely but they seem to know that showing her doing shit means low ratings. I hope they just tone down the "Rose is awesome and everyone loves her" bits. She can be right, she can have cool moments, but she can't have the cast fellating her the whole damn time.
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>>146838932
because...
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Berseria's getting a manga this fall. Hoping it'll be good and we get scans.
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>>146838932
Is this yaoi?
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>>146858157
Why does she replace Alisha? And does that really happen in the game? Everyone loves her or whatever?
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>>146860164
It was a huge scandal that gave Zestiria horrible ratings in Japan. Basically the producer, Baba, really liked Rose's VA and dramatically increased her importance in the plot. As a result, a lot of players felt that the story after she joins is noticeably worse.
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>>146852006
She is the true heroine,
the fairest in the land,
the queen we should all praise.

So please post more pics of her

>>146860254
Have heard the script was changed pretty late to include her or something.
So is there some interview with the story writer or leak of what they wanted to do with the story before Baba forced Rose in?
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>>146860485
>So please post more pics of her
Your wish is my command.

>o is there some interview with the story writer or leak of what they wanted to do with the story before Baba forced Rose in?
I doubt they're allowed to explicitly say what the story was like (for now), but I suspect that the manga and anime are closer to the "original" story.
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>>146859627
I'd sacrifice for that.
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>>146860254
I knew that much, but what exactly does her character do to warrant so much hate? I hate Zestiria just for its vapid gameplay alone, but never knew what made Rose so bad. Is she just a Mary Sue or something? I have seen people compare her to Lightning, but Rose only has one game, you know what I mean?
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>>146861159
Proto-Griffith NO!

Anyone have the picture of Lailah blushing with her hands on her face from the previews?
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>>146861477
This one?
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>>146861718
That's the one.
Thank you.
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>>146861450
She is described as a "pure" assassin who kills people she decides need to die but then generates no malevolence from it. So she can basically do no wrong and is exempt from the rules of the world just because she think she's always right. Mikleo initially questions how this is possible but other than that it's just accepted and everyone sings her praises for the rest of the game.

The fact that she is this way because she is Baba's waifu pisses people off. And the fact that Alisha got the shaft because of Baba shoehorning in his waifu pisses people off.
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The whole killing is saving in the second half of the game was just horribly done, the cast of Zestiria js end up feeling like a group of psychopaths who have one of the highest killing tally while still trying to keep the moral high ground , it's strange as fuck and Sorey feels like he was mindfucked into thinking that way.
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>>146861900
This gets worse when you get several quests that illustrate how her type of thinking is bad and is causing problems, yet we all kind of ignore this basic aspect of Rose's character.

Along with Lailah basically telling Sorey that Rose is a much better Shepherd than he is because she unquestioningly gets rid of hellions.

The worst though was the moment where Sorey and Mikleo find out about their past and Rose butts in and says she doesn't understand feelings and such, then the two of them are apologizing to her.
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>>146843118
I love Edna!
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>>146838932
Eizen is the cuternerd.
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>>146838932
just started this tonight, im on ep 9 now, damn its pretty good so far, i was expecting it to be shit. tho i dont know anything about the games
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>>146862840
Interview with Sorey and Mikleo's seiyuu. I hope it's interesting.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9TrQGE24lA
ToZ's soundtrack is so good. I could listen to it all day.
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>>146863087
Scans when?
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>>146838932
Its weird ain't it. I usually hate this character-type but Sorey manages to be somewhat endearing.
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>>146860485
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>>146860485
Sure
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>>146838932
Because his attitude is toned perfectly.

The naively good, adventurous boy from the middle of nowhere gets to be a hero type that's not too naive, too dense, too dumb, too aggresive, doesn't react to everything in questions and likes what's he's doing.
There's a particular purity in his character. I love It.

That said, I'm fucking terrified of the later half of the series now that I heard about Rose.
What the fuck, this is so good now.
Like, holy shit, what the fuck
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>>146863087
Am I the only one really tickled that Sorey's and Mikleo's VAs are these two Owls?
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>>146864957
They're also these two fags.
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>>146864396
Hope someone upload stuff or at least translate. It would be nice to see what they think of the story so far.

>>146864957
Not much. Bokuto is just Sorey on drugs. Akaashi has the temperament of Mikleo. I think what ticks me off are these roles of them >>146865196
That was a RIDE.
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>>146860540
>>146864712
Truly our queen is blessed to have so many devoted followers to help to spread word of her beauty.

>>146864680
Is this the final form of Edna?
All her beauty has been changed into pure raw strenght.
Hellions are running away when they see her and the endboss must be quivering in fear.
All hail the queen or may you be damned if you are foolish enough to anger her.
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>>146862360
There's a skit where Mikleo tries to stand up for Sorey but he quickly gets shot down.
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>you will never pour aeons worth of semen into mikleo and hear it making glopping noise
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>>146864896
They could go the manga route and lessen her impact by removing all her scenes and focusing on Sorey.
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>>146838932
Because you're a homosexual just like him.
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>>146849299
>press play
>instantly smile

I haven't even played or watched this yet what the fuck?
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>>146866126

Congrats, you've just been purified by the shepherd.

Alisha's theme is pretty great too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9TrQGE24lA
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>>146838932
Is he?
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>>146838932
This show is so fucking gay
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>>146855890
they took out the whole water temple though.
And windboy 1 is nowhere to be seen after 8 episodes.
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>>146860254
aside from the vapid gameplay you also get vapid characters. Lailah is just cute, that's it. Edna is cool but the rest of the cast is seriously lacking in interaction. Sorey and Mikleo get really boring - just like the temple/cave design it's always the same shit - and nothing else worth noting even really happens.
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>>146867271
It's a straight anime for straight men.
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>>146850109
More proof she was shoehorned.
Also, looking at her promo art, it's like Fujishima Kousuke drew her ugly on purpose.
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>>146867561
Her design does look simpler compared to the others
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>>146865702
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>>146867271
It's really not that gay in my opinion. So far the only really gay thing was that episode with them thinking about each other when apart.
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>>146867398
In the case of the characters their problem is that they simply weren't allowed to be effected by the world around them. Many suspect this was in order to make Rose fit in more with the party, since if they were to move forward from their problems then it's likely that they wouldn't have a need for her or be less likely to tolerate her.

Compare this http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4741800179 to the game.
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>>146867561
Seems more like she was made last minute and so he didn't have time to really design her, so he could only give her a simple design. So to make up for it he gave her several designs (but all of them are very simple). There's also the fact that Rose is using Alisha's in game character model.
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Alisha has been so cute so far, I'm really dreading when she gets pushed out of the story. ;_;
>everytime she's seraphfagging
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>>146842765
Nope, but I still recommend you to play Tales of Zestiria, it's a pretty good JRPG.
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>>146869122
She might be, though I wonder what they'll do, since all things considered anime Alisha is pretty superior to anime Rose in all characterization aspects and they now have no reason to choose Rose over her.

It feels as though if Rose tags along it'll feel forced, which is true to the game, but still.
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>>146857072
You know Sorey really is like an Evee
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>>146867307
they didn't take out the water temple. they 'took out' the Galahad Ruins where the bow was stored, and even then still showed Mikleo going to it. the water temple is Lefay Shrine and behind a massive waterfall. and Dezel was shown very briefly. Lunarre saw him in Ladylake, outside the church.
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>>146869805
wow. he even temporarily evolves, too. it's perfect.
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>>146871188
Sorey the Eevee, does that make Mikleo the Alola Vulpix?
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>>146871417
and ending Mikleo is Alola Ninetales.
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>>146848502

How is that clothing lewd? Does literally nothing for me.
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So apparently Mikleo's English VA can sing.
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>>146871464
I guess that explains their popularity. Vulpix and Eevee are fan favorites.
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>>146862407

Jesus Christ
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>>146869805
Why he is so cute?
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>>146871770
he's pure and happy and passionate. i want to pat his head.
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>>146871592
You can't just say that without providing evidence.
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>>146838932
>sorey
>likable
pick one
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>>146872116
Okay here's the proof
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILogdpF-hYY

His Nip VA can sing too.
https://soundcloud.com/fika-hime/kojika-no-kutsu-shonen-hollywood-ohsaka-ryota-solo
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>>146872169
>Sorey
>unlikable
pick one

Even people who don't like Zestiria don't have a problem with him, and at worst just think that he's just, meh.
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>>146838932
Do people actually like him?
Or is it just that they don't dislike him?

He hasn't really done or say anything to make me wanna root for him or like him
So far he is still just the mc, with nothing really going for him other than not annoying the audience
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>>146872582
He's actually currently one of the most popular Tales characters.
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>>146872582
I like his overall personality. He doesn't have anything unique or original to his character nor great character development. He is fine as a MC or really, character in general.

But this is personal opinion. I don't always need deep and Complex characters to root for. He is a nice dude to have around.
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>>146872582
i like Sorey. i find it really refreshing to have a protagonist that is smart, kind and thoughtful. it's a rare combination in my experience. smart usually means they're an asshole to some degree, while kind usually means they're a cheerful idiot.
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>>146873045
>it's a rare combination in my experience. smart usually means they're an asshole to some degree
Or a self insert.
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>>146844607
>that left hand and rose's moaning face
>that meebo footstool
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>>146873382
MCs usually work like that. Sorey is no different for this concept. Although, his ambiguous relationship with Mikleo might make some male gamers/viewers not want to self insert.
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MUTTON, FRESH MUTTON
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>>146873502
Except none of what you're saying is true. MC's are meant for people to identify or sympathize with not self-insert as. The idea of using the MC as a character for the viewer to live vicariously through is actually a fairly new phenomenon.

That being said, Sorey isn't one of those types of characters, as he has too much personality, and goals in mind to ever to be a character that one can self-insert into. Which is actually a cause of big cause of frustration to those who do wish to use him as a tool of self insertion, not just his relationship with Mikleo.

Characters that you are meant to self insert as are blank slates, something that Sorey is not.
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>>146873584
I hope he's in Berseria
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>>146873782
I don't see why the whole thing being a new phenomenon or not, has anything to do with how the viewer wants to see a certain character or identify themselves towards them.

I was merely stating an opinion since Sorey is a MC so some people might self insert. Is this so bad? I don't really care nor judge if someone does this with Sorey or not. It's a personal feeling.

>Characters that you are meant to self insert as are blank slates, something that Sorey is not.
Look, to you he might be the most interesting damn thing in the story but to some, like anons above, he is nothing much.


I like Sorey and all, as I stated here >>146872817 but I am not gonna force my opinion about him to others. To some he is nothing, to others he is likeable and a very good MC, to others he is a self insert, to some he is only interesting when he is with Mikleo etc.

Self insert or not, some do that. I don't see why you have to go against it as it doesn't affect you or your opinion about said character.
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>>146871417
It makes meebo a water stone. Retard.
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>>146873584
Sharing is caring!
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>>146874331
Because it's not about what the viewer's interpretation, it's about how the authorial intention. Just because a viewer wishes to see something a certain way doesn't change the purpose of the character.

Ergo just because a person wants to self insert themselves into a character doesn't mean that the character is meant for self insertion.

It's the difference between the God Eater MC and Sorey.
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>>146874397
>Missing the point this much.
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>>146874737
>grasping at the bl straws again

I think you have a mental disorder.
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>>146874799
Don't blame others if the joke goes over your head.
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>>146872703
Not in Japan, I saw only disdain for him in the 2ch threads, especially the way he "devolves" during the game
May be due to the release of Berseria and the fans realizing that good characters with great development can still exist in the series though
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>>146874913
Actually in the recent Tales poll he was in the top ten so, yeah he is popular in Japan.

Also never take the word of extreme otaku in 2ch as law.
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>>146875044
Top ten for the most recent protagonist isn't that good you know, he is going to fall hard in the next one
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>>146875074
Time will tell, people thought the same about Ludger and yet he's still on the polls.
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>>146875161
Ludger is a self-insert, of course he is
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Is Zestiria gayer than Graces f?
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>>146875189
He also had a painful journey where he experienced nothing but suffering.
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>>146875284
Graces F is one of the rare Tales along with Destiny with actual confirmed pairing, it's pretty straight.
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>>146875284
It's as gay as it can possibly be without them flat out confirming the relationship.
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>>146875393
Xillia, Xillia 2 and Abyss also had confirmed pairings.
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>>146875482
Not really, they have subtext but only Graces and Destiny have confirmed marriage/impregnation
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>>146874706
You didn't say anything I disagree with but still at the end of the day it's how some people feel about certain characters and how they judge them.

I am not in the belief characters are meant for self insertion but if some fans do that, I don't see the big deal about it. The author wants to write a story and create characters. How the reader/viewer judges and feels about them is also part of the job.
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>>146875527
>Xillia
>Subtext
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>>146875554
that's so cute, they're like brother and sister.
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>>146875610
In the same way Teresa and Oscar are like brother and sister, yes
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>>146875554
Yes subtext, sorry, did you play Xillia 2?
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>>146875542
To be fair some characters were created for the purpose of self insertion, like most harem leads. But authors don't have any power over how people think, sometimes people will want to self insert no matter how much personality you give the character.
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>>146875642
If anything, Xillia 2 removed all the subtext. Did you miss the scene in the waterfalls?
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>>146838932
Because he chose best boy.
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Why is the manliest Tales character a cute shota?
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>>146875668
I actually forgot about harem leads when I was saying the part that characters are not for self insertion. You are right on this.

Well yeah, as I said authors write and create. No matter what they do, if someone wants to self insert it's a personal matter and it doesn't really affect the story or anyone for that matter.
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>>146875753
What's the context of this?
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>>146875753
Sorey has great taste in waifus.
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>>146875899
Self-insertion has a bad reputation because stories with main characters created with that sole purpose in mind are, frankly speaking, terrible. That's the reason people would shit on that kind of character and the people who like them.

That said, Sorey has way too much going on for him, as little as it is, to be a mc created with the idea of self-insertion. That doesn't mean that people can't self-insert, though.
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>>146876079
I think I remember a director, or some other anime bigwig once complaining about otaku and their love of this archetype.
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>>146875819
Because only a madman would punch Eizen in the stomach, block an attack from a god with a compass, and then punch said god in the face. All to protect his oba-san's smile
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>>146876296
He has good taste in women too, Edna, Eleanor, Velvet.
All top tier
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>>146875637
Why didn't you protect both of their smiles?
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>>146876362
he must like Lailah, too.
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>>146876233
Well, I can totally see why. A self-insert can't have a character arc, and that cripples the story in lots of fronts.
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>>146876448
that's his greatest flaw
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>>146876493
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>>146876555
She will never live down that thing about picking dicks as Shepherds, huh?
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>>146876453
They really do stories they also tend to make for really forgetful stories.
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>>146876657
nope.
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>>146876657
Considering how she never learned her lesson and still continues to pick dick shepherds to the point that Sorey ends up still having to perform the true duties of a shepherd even after he wakes up? Probably never.

Her best shepherd wasn't even chosen by her.
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>>146876657
>Lailah says Rose would have made a good Shepherd
I love the woman, but she really needs a better judge of character
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>>146876789
Michael "fuck my sister and kill her kid" the great shepherd
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>>146876079
B-But Persona
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>>146876840
>Sorey ends up still having to perform the true duties of a shepherd even after he wakes up

This thing bothers me a lot. Sorey should be exploring ruins with Mikleo, not fixing Lailah's mess.
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>>146877040
I wonder if that's why I disliked Persona 3. Door-kun had the personality of... well, a door. Brotag was better, he did stupid magic tricks to make Nanako cheer up, ate weird shit out of the fridge and had a thing for cats.
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>>146877059
I thought that's what they were doing. Sorey's not in his shepherd outfit in the manga ending, so it seems to imply he's done being the shepherd.
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>>146876900
You know what's even worse? Lailah shares partial responsibility with how he ended up because she helped to raise him.
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>>146877207
>mikleo wins again.jpg
Where are the doujins with reunion sex?
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>>146877209
i bet she gave him too many headpats, it made him a monster.
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>>146876897
I've seen theories floating around that say that Lailah may be another reincarnation of Seles/Celica. Considering Seles/Celica was married to Artorius, who was a Shepherd and a massive dick after falling into despair, maybe she still has a lingering instinct to pick people like him.

It's a huge stretch, but fun.
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>>146877207
His shepherd cloak was actually destroyed during his battle against Hedalf.

But if you read Mikleo's memoir he makes it clear that they're trying to fix human and seraphim relations.
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>>146877249
they exist, but i guess we'll never see them. oh well, at least i have a bunch of fanarts of this part.
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>>146877263
Isn't she inside Velvet?
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>>146877209
>"a long time agon humans and the tenzoku used to live in harmony"
Pretty funny after playing Berseria

>>146877263
Possible, Celica is also stated to like bad puns
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>>146877249
There's quite a few of them around, it's just that no one scans them.
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>>146838932
nigga u gay af
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>>146877381
Considering that the Exorcists she devoured were released and reincarnated as the Five Great Spirits or whatever, she potentially could have released Seles as well.

But I'm also going off of what I've heard of the story, so my recounting/theories may be wrong.
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>>146877404
They're probably talking about the time before Berseria. I'm not sure but I think that there's a side quest in Berseria where the origins of malevolence is explained.

It seems as though Malevolence is a curse, the only way to stop malevolence as a concept once and for all is for Seraphim and humans to co-exist. Artorius tried to achieve that but his methods were wrong.

Sorey and Mikleo are basically the world's only real chance for peace.
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>>146877270
>Sergei and Alisha pictured
>Mikleo's lewd exposed forehead
damn, the manga is great.

bummer about the rest of it. i'm sure they can take breaks from politics to explore ruins sometimes, but it sucks that they're still cleaning up the mess. i guess it is their dream, though.

>>146877456
>spoiler
so... does that mean they die for good in Zestiria? there are four optional bosses around Artorius' Throne and the fan theory was that they were the other four great lords.
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>>146877528
>I'm not sure but I think that there's a side quest in Berseria where the origins of malevolence is explained.

It's the extra dungeon, kegare as a system was created by the tenzoku who stayed in their own world to punish humans and the tenzoku that stayed in the human world (who become dragons due to the kegare humans produce)
So the root of evil is in the tenzoku's world
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>>146877596
i want a third game with Sorey, Mikleo, Velvet and Laphi where they fix this shit once and for all.
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>>146877596
It's really sad that we didn't get this dungeon in Zestiria or at least find out this information, it certainly would have shut up the group about humans being dirty and what not.
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>>146877530
>the other four great lords
Weren't they at the trial dungeons?
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>>146877666
Well Laphi told Sorey the full truth so it's likely that Sorey and Mikleo's journey is to fix it.
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>Xillia anime never
;_;
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>>146877768
the elemental trials? i remember what you're talking about, they were supposed to be housed in the last rooms of the shrines, weren't they? didn't Sorey make a comment at one of the trials about how he couldn't feel their presence? i wonder if Michael moved them, too.
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>>146877881
It's also likely that Maotelus killed them when he turned into a hellion.
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>>146877768
None of them were, just their stewards.
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>>146877666
There is a lot of things that are fucked up in Zestiria
Like the dragons being descibed as Seraphims who fell in grace so it's pretty much considered as a punishment.

In Berseria the strongest dragon is a extremely nice woman who was infected by kegare by scared children after saving them
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>>146878833
the games feel kind of incomplete as they are now. we know Berseria leads in to Zestiria, where we see the world is still shit. Zestiria's ending is hopeful, but it also doesn't really fix anything long term. there's nothing stopping the events from Berseria or Zestiria from happening again. the root problem is still there.
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>>146878968
Berseria wasn't about fixing the world though.
The cast never try to keep the moral high ground either, they pretty much consider themselves as a group of villain even in the end
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Spoiler
Consider: Velvet basically is the first lord of calamity, but also helped a lot of people.
And her whole quest was getting revenge
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>>146879216
There is no basically, this is what people including even Arthurios calls her in the second half
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>>146878968
Zestiria feels like it's a game that was meant to be a prequel to a much larger story. The most significant characters in the cast lore wise are Sorey, Mikleo, Alisha and Sergei and even then it's not what they do during the game that's important, it's what they do after it that holds significance.
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>>146848804
Urge to bully increases.
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>>146879216
What ultimately helps the world of BersZest isn't selflessness or self sacrifice or even the "greater good", not it's it's pure unadulterated selfishness.
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>>146880769
>not it's it's pure unadulterated selfishness.


To be fair, that can change everything even in our world.
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>>146880824
I just think that it's really interesting, ultimately Velvet made a difference by just seeking revenge against someone who wronged her, and Sorey and Mikleo will make a difference by selfishly chasing after their own dream of being together.
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>>146849332
Dude I'm playing through right now, and having played many other tales games, I fucking hate Rose.

She ruined everything. Took away Alicia who was also pure but not as great and a little bland (but definitely fitting for this game) for NO FUCKING REASON and gave me this shitblob who takes all of Sorey's lines and he just stands there wishy-washy.

like what the FUCK man. I wish this was fire emblem or fucking valkyria chronicles so I could kill her ass off. Her humor fucking sucks. We have Edna for humor, why the fuck did you give me this piece of shit female lead. Fuck you, Tales of Zestiria.

Sorey deserved better.
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Berseria episode coming out in dub form later today.

Maybe Funimation got the upcoming game dub actors for the episode. Who knows.
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>>146881252
>Her humor fucking sucks.
She's afraid of ghosts and that is really funny
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>>146881252
You know who to blame.
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>>146881264
>caring about the dub
>>>/v/
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>>146881346
HAHAHA so FUCKING funny. Still afraid of ghosts after being with them for so long, solving all kinds of problems, having all sorts of close talks during skits.

Alicia was fascinated by them and truly wanted to enjoy their presence and learn from them.

Rose: WHOA DON'T TALK WHILE INSIDE SORAY holy SHIT I somehow forgot you guys existed because you're not directly infront of me. Stupid fucking Seraphs!

She literally says in her defense: "i'm entitled to my own opinion!" on the matter. That's great, but you're literally using their power to protect the world, show some fucking courtesy.

What's worse is the seraphs except Edna fucking defend her. "She's a great match for Sorey!". Alright, so then why wasn't Alicia? Convenient plot elements? WHY!

God, fucking hell man.
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>>146881490
>Alright, so then why wasn't Alicia? Convenient plot elements?
You answered your own question.
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>>146881409
Dude that is what it feels like. It's like Rose's VA just walked into the studio and just ad-libbed her shit with some basic scene direction.

Wait... don't tell me that actually happened...
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>>146881252
She can take Dezel's hat with her when she leaves.
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>>146881571
>Wait... don't tell me that actually happened...
I won't tell you then.
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>>146873584

MOMMY MOMMY I WANNA-

The endless looping eventually left me numb. I can't bring myself to play the game again because I'll hear that god-awful "background chatter" in the cities though. I want to grip my controller and find and event or gtfo as fast as possible just thinking about it. Is this PTSD?
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>>146838932
He is the only Shepherd that actually did his job and made the Apple Dragon not suffer.
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I want to marry Eizen!
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>>146881645
I fucking knew it. Someone told me that this is what happened and I thought he was just salty about the game. Tales female leads are traditionally pure at least for the most part, and this is one tradition I actually enjoy about the tales series (Tear, Estelle). Alicia should have been the lead.

If this is true, it's a god damn shame. What a fucking travesty. At least Disgaea 5 was good.
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>>146838932
Isn't Rose the most liked character though?
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>>146881784
Everyone I know who's played the game said she ruined the experience and the atmosphere almost the entire time after she joins the party.
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>>146881784
Baba pls
>here comes the Rosefags
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>>146881762
B-but Baba says that Rose is pure.

Seriously though, Rose's character is one of the reasons why the story is such a mess, she really doesn't fit in the party, and Berseria makes that obnoxiously clear.
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>>146881784
Only SJWs, waifufags, and people who don't actually pay attention like Rose.
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>>146881647
>there's no R18 doujin where the guy in the crowd gives Jude his MUTTON! FRESH MUTTON!
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>>146881784
In a bizarro world, maybe.
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>>146881868
please don't say that, they'll show up for real.
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>>146882057
>that one Rosefag from a previous thread that wrote paragraphs trying to defend Rose
It was hilarious but it ruined the thread.
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>>146881784
The dislike isn't as bad anymore as it was in this poll, but the top 4 is likely still like this.
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>>146882128
There is no way to defend Rose.

You can literally tear apart any argument in seconds just by citing some of her defining characteristics. Not to mention how convenient it was that Dezel could somehow fucking use her as a vessel to do shit without her noticing.

But I guess Alicia over here is chopped liver and just not worthy of being with Sorey. Fucking asshole director, consider your fucking target audience the next time the writers hand you such a good MC.
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>>146882128
They went full headcanon mode too. It became tiring just to see them.
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>>146882194
>isn't as bad anymore
Did you forget Nip reaction to seeing the game's OP in episode 5?

They still hate her with a passion.
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>>146882194
>normin is more popular than Zaveid
I hope he gets more popular because of Berseria.
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>>146882057
Chant "Rose is shit" into your bathroom mirror three times, and Baba will appear under your bed at night.
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>>146882206
Rose was entirely Baba's idea, it seems as though Alisha was meant to be more like Sorey's sister.
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>>146882273
I don't really get the hate for I WANNA BE WHITE. I mean, it's a pretty nice song, albeit the visuals are lacking.
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>>146881835

Friend of mine played the game concurrently with me. He liked Rose. I cannot fathom how shitty his taste is, especially since we agreed on all other points (bland gameplay, characters don't even really care about each other, too many recap skits, water levels are always the worst, etc.). He feels like she gets worse than she deserves from fans. I cannot understand. The story was great until she showed up, evidence supports the fact that adding her fucked the game up, and he still does not think she's the worst goddamn thing about the game.

I wanted to like her. I love blunt, unapologetic unfeminine girls that run in to stab shit. But Rose is so unlikable the goddamn mascot characters were better. And considering they share the same title as Mieu and whatever that retarded hat-thing from Berseria is, that is not a fucking compliment.
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>>146882316
The hate was entirely aimed at Rose, as well as the mere idea that she'd armatize. If they cut out Rose's armatization from the op then Nips would have liked it.
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>>146876072
That was just a nip joke, fiddling with the MC name in Links. This is more gold though.
>"I can't do it! It's really painful to sleep by myself!"

Upcoming skit from the BD. Mikleo counts sheep to help Sorey sleep.
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>>146882316
Probably because of low Alisha presence and Rose armatization.
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>>146882128
it started out funny but it was like nobody could resist arguing with him. it was like he had a shitpost super power, nobody could resist Rosefag's bait.

>>146882194
>normins more popular than Rose
heh.
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>>146882367
Can they get any gayer?
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>>146882314
Don't get me wrong, I'm not really pushing Alicia to be his lover or anything like that. Just -having her around- would have been better than this fucking retard in my party "WOOOOW can u nerdz likeeee stfu about ruins alrdy :)) xddd!"

She was actually interested in this shit and it would have created a much better dynamic, especially since she's royalty: another thing in common between many a female lead within tales!

I just don't get it mang.
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>>146871592
>Mikleo's English VA said he thinks Mikleo has a thing for Sorey
Did they get an actual faggot to voice him for the translation or something?
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>>146882411
i hope so.
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Is Alicia even relevant anymore now that Eleanor exists and is better in every ways?
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>>146882411
A married couple can't get more married, no.
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Reminder that her smile is forever gone.
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>>146882515
Eleanor didn't help removing Baba from his creative position, sacrificing herself for the future of the franchise.
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>>146882327
She definitely is. The moment I killed that stupid fucking leaf thing in the woods and Sorey somehow "blacked out for a sec", I knew she was leaving the party.

It was at that moment that I knew I was not going to like the rest of the game. Literally just finishing it now to achievementfag. I cannot wait to get back into D5.
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>>146882443
No, I meant it positively, Alisha was meant to be like Sorey's sister and familial tie to the human world. To me Alisha being having a fraternal bond with Sorey makes more sense than with Rose, because Alisha has more in common with Sorey and along with Mikleo is also very young and inexperienced which makes her a better companion to have with the more experienced yet also cynical seraphs.
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>>146882515
>Is Alicia even relevant anymore
She was never relevant? That's the point.
>that Eleanor exists and is better in every ways
Eleanor is vastly superior, yes, but I think it's the fact that she's so much better than Alisha that people get assblasted all over again because Alisha was shafted.

It's the opposite for me. With the creation of Eleanor, I can now completely forget about Alisha altogether. She is the superior everything, especially in personality.
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>>146882609
Alisha starts opening up to the party and her skits get better right when she's about to leave.
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>>146882367
That's cute. I wonder if they sleep together sometimes. Not in the sexual way, just cuddles.

>>146882411
Always.

>>146882489
It's not like he is the only one who can see something is going on. It's another thing how you want to think of it but their relationship is the most important in the story.
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>>146882712
I get how you feel man, I just wish Alicia didn't get shafted. Some people might get upset, it's just shitty that Alicia didn't really get hers. It feels unfair.
Elenor is great though.
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>>146882489
Nips in general think the same thing too.
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>>146876362
He really does, but his taste in oneechans doomed the world!
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>>146882636
if Alisha had stayed the party would have been a lot more balanced. Alisha, Mikleo and Sorey as the younger, more naive characters, Lailah, Edna and Zaveid as the more experienced cynics.

and after Alisha left Zestiria was really lacking in optimists. it was basically just Sorey, with everyone else dragging him down. Mikleo was unconditionally supportive of him, sure, but he's more of a realist than an optimist. Sorey really could have used a character like Alisha to dream big with him about the future.
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>>146876296
Truly the best protector of smiles and totally deserved better in Zestria.
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>>146882879
Well said man, for sure. It was really a cute little adventure with big turning points ahead for them. Vesperia had that same kind of magic on me as well as Yuri slowly realized his role in things with Estelle there at his side. I wish things could have gone even half as well as that game's route did.
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>>146882879
Exactly, Mikleo tries but there's no one to really back him up when he's trying to be supportive to Sorey.

Sorey, Mikleo and Alisha also probably would have had great interaction and it's just a waste that nothing came out of it. Now when I look at the Alisha manga omake it just gets me pissed.
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>>146882805
I do think it's objectively unfair for Alisha but I see no reason to cry over spilled milk anymore. Additionally, I didn't care for Alisha's type in the first place. She's remarkably dull, even by Tales standards. I think seeing her personality alongside Eleanor kind of convinced me that I wouldn't have cared to have Alisha along either. I just think Alisha being there would've been better than having Rose, but there's no way of knowing how that would be executed either.

Ultimately, I stopped caring. Berseria is a big fuck you to Zestiria in every way so I like to forget it exists. Even the anime's changes don't convince me that they can alter this story to a greater potential. It's sad, but it's a lost cause.
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>>146882879
>>146883125
Everyone spends so much fucking time saying shit to Sorey like "oh god watch out for the malevolence", or "You've got a long way to go!". Like really dude? Even Lailah, every single time the word "malevolence" is mentioned, she somehow finds a way to attach it to Sorey.

"Wow that little bunny rabbit had so much malevolent energy... that could be you someday, Sorey. A husk of your former self... consumed by Malevolence..."

Wow bitch, ever tried being supportive of your fucking shepherd for once? Give the kid some fuckin' credit, he's gotten this far!
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>>146883202
That argument is really weak though, because here's the thing, is Alisha dull because she's genuienly boring or is it just because she wasn't given time to grow? Keep in mind that her journey was about her losing her naivety and becoming a politician.
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>>146883202
I'm aware of this, and I'm excited to play it. I would get the JP vers. but I have too big of a backlog to justify it. It's just relevant to me because I'm currently finally playing through the game and these issues are fresh to me. I will probably feel the same way you do in a month or two, and especially so when I begin playing Berseria.
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>>146883371
What he's saying is more of his own personal opinion. He just doesn't like Alisha either. To those of us who do enjoy characters like Alisha, and would have liked to see how she turned out, our anger is totally justified.

Some people just don't feel as strongly about some characters. Regardless, Alisha definitely got shafted and deserved her time in the sun that she never got to have.
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>>146883125
>we'll never get to see the three of them nerding out together while Edna, Lailah and Zaveid look on indulgently and make fun of them because Edna's a bully
>we'll never get to see Mikleo and Alisha privately discussing the best ways to support Sorey on his journey
>we'll never get to see Mikleo trying to keep Alisha and Sorey out of trouble because they're both too trusting and naive
>we'll never get to see Sorey's reaction to the two of them joining forces to fuss over him
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>>146882583
No, it was protected by apple dragon and now she smiles as she sleeps.
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>>146883702

Stop it Anon, I keep pining over what could have been and it's not healthy. I think about Sorey and Meebo interrupting each other as they explain a ruin's significance to Alisha while she excitedly joins in with its ties to recent history ending in all of them getting super excited while the Seraphs look on and make fun of them in a kindly way and I get very, very sad.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5Jm5MGxJCM
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>We will never see MaoMao explain everything to Sorey and Co while sitting on Lailah's lap and asking her to give him headpats because she has to be good for something.
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>>146848598
*sniff sniff*
aaaaaaahhh
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>>146883371
Dunno about anyone else, but Alisha is boring by virtue of her naive princess trope for me. Don't get me wrong, Alisha is not a character that is offensive in any way, but she also isn't naturally enticing to me either. Could this have changed if she was a permanent member? Maybe. But a huge problem with Zestiria in general is how none of the party members grew. Everyone is the same character they began as, with minor adjustments. I don't see how Alisha would be exempt from that if she stayed, but this entire situation is hypothetical.

It's just subjective. If the anime chooses to let Alisha stay and she manages to interest me more, that would be nice. But if not, that's whatever. Eleanor managed to be everything I wanted from Alisha and much more.
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>>146884185
That's fine but the main argument is that Rose is the primary reason for this. It's amazing how one character can have a massive effect on the dynamic of the game. Alisha could have possibly solved a lot of their issues, especially if she was capable of being charming towards that many people, and then maybe Zestiria wouldn't be such a shitshow.

The rest of that is your own opinion and you're entitled to express it as much as you like and however you please.
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>>146883702
Alisha isn't that much of a ruins nerd though, that's kind of a misconception. Or rather, her interest in it is more of a religious standpoint compared to Sorey and Mikleo's archaeologist standpoint.

The game actually makes it quite clear even in the small time she is acquainted with them. There's a reason she doesn't join in and is with the female seraphim (the naked statue skit rings a bell).
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>>146884141
Berseria and Zesteria have a perfect setup for a sequel. But I am not sure if Namco wants to go there.
I wouldn't really mind it myself, Zesteria is too much of a lost cause PR-wise and it would give a better closure to some of it's characters.
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>>146884354
she's a much more interested audience than anyone else in the party, or Rose, not that that's hard. she gets excited about the Celestial Record, too. she's happy finding the mural in the cave in episode 0 of the anime, for instance.
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>>146884356
I just want another game to give Velvet a happy end, is that too much?
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>>146884483
>she's a much more interested audience than anyone else in the party
Much aware, but it's just not in the same sense that she'd join in on their dynamic as you were saying. She never does that even during the small time she's with them.
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>>146882135
Any reason why anons keep posting this?
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Best pairing.
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Do they fuck?
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>>146885015
Agreed.
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>>146882367
So that means he's used to sleeping with someone else by his side?
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>>146885438
it's kind of weird of him to say that. he and Mikleo had separate houses in Elysia.
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>>146885438
I guess so, though that's weird because they have separate houses in the anime. It's likely they fall asleep in eachother's homes though.
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>>146885635
You still can go to a friend's house and have sleepovers.
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>>146842559
She's a beauty, a true princess.
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>>146885706
well, yeah, but so often that it's painful for him to sleep alone now? maybe they just use Mikleo's house to store more books and for snack preparation.
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>>146885823
I thought of it as what happens most times of the week or during weekends. They go and explore ruins, read books etc. so at the end of the night they sleep in one of their houses.

The painful wording I took it more as because now Sorey is a Shepherd and has all these stuff to do, he feels more lonely.

Oh well, at the end of the day this hints they do sleep together and it's something they do often despite living in different houses.
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>>146882367
Is there a video of this or something?
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>>146869805
I knew there was a reason I liked his character design. He's basically the best pokemon.
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>>146886828
It's the same thing as the previews. You gotta buy the first BD though.
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>>146885635
Maybe Mikleo stayed at gramps place that night because he wants Sorey to mingle with the only human he knew thus far.
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>>146841184
she could fuck off to my dick
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>>146885089
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Useless moe
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So they never touched on how Eizen transformed?

Also Zaveid's introduction in the anime was well done compared to the game especially after seeing how he acted in Berseria
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>>146888909
no. it seemed like it was relatively recent in Zestiria because Lailah seemed surprised that it had happened. but 'recent' in seraphim time is fuck knows how long.
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>>146888909
Berseria explains it. Eizen is basically cursed and is a ticking dragon time bomb. That's why he left Edna since he didn't want her to suffer too.
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>>146889026
How did he get cursed in the first place? Just something natural?
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>>146884185
>Dunno about anyone else, but Alisha is boring by virtue of her naive princess trope for me.
The reason why the naive princess trope is bad is because writers attempt to keep the princess naive, they don't make her change during the journey and so she remains usleless arm dressing for the MC.

> Everyone is the same character they began as, with minor adjustments. I don't see how Alisha would be exempt from that if she stayed, but this entire situation is hypothetical.
Not, exactly. There's actually a series of side quests within Zestiria wherein Alisha actually does develop as a character (granted most of it got thrown out in favor of Rose dick sucking in the DLC it was still there). One of the council members takes her under his wing and Alisha has to learn how to bribe the other members into doing what she wants.

On the subject of the other party members however, it's quite possible that their own character arcs were removed when the story was altered to include Rose. An example of this is seen in the manga where it's revealed that Sorey is Hedalf's son or even the Alisha manga where she recounts her journey and Lailah and Edna outright tell Rose that Alisha would understand Sorey's decision to purify the land while also implying that Rose does not.
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>>146888606
Why is she so smug?
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Why is Kanonushi translated as Innominat?
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>>146889063
He has the same curse as Dezel in that his presence attracts bad luck to those around him, which produces malevolence. It is natural, so I guess you could say he just has really bad luck.

>>146889238
Everyone in the game is so damn smug. Maybe it's because people are happy that Baba got 'promoted'.
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>>146889238
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Because Ryohei Kimura.
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Hell yeah motherfucker
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>>146838932
Atakk > Sorey > Zaveid > Mikleo > Dezel
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Will the Berseria episodes actually end up being relevant? I skipped those assuming they were just advertising the game.
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>>146891398
Probably not.
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>>146891398
Maotelus will be speaking in Laphicet's voice, that's for sure.
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>>146891601
>mfw a great dragon shows up, it has the voice of a small child.
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>>146892832
how else is he supposed to tempt hot onee-sans to pat him on his giant dragon head?
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>>146891398
Probably will reveal Velvet as the final boss.
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Oh Funimation has their dub version of the first Berseria episode out,

wish I could watch it but I don't have their premium service.

Who's voicing the cast?
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>>146892908
Who cares
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>>146892901
Fun fact: Velvet is tha final boss in PS4 version of Zestiria, but this remains unknown because no one bought it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aQ50PaXT0s
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>>146893037
Anon, if you're trying to make a joke against Zestiria then you should know, your sense of humor is shit.
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>>146892908
>caring about dub in a dual audio game
Be lucky you're not Fatlus like me
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>>146892989
Berseriafags are the only ones who care, and seem to be under the impression that people share the sentiment.
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>>146893352
>Atlus will never give us dual audio
it hurts
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>>146893393
Nah it's usually /v/ fags that care about the dub.
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>>146893419
Stingy faggots, but it's not like I can just go without playing P5 anyway.
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>>146892908
I downloaded a one month free trial to watch this episode.

I think Ben Diskin voices Rokurou. It kind of sounds like him.
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>>146889894
Why is Muzet so shit?
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>>146893476
Ah so they're crossbroaders.
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>>146894347
That's kind of obvious. No one from /a/ would give a fuck about a dub.
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From what I see some people saying, this is the English voice cast from the Berseria episode. Not confirmed yet. If that's true then those English voices are definitely the voices of Velvet and Rokurou in the game also.

Cristina Vee - Velvet
Ben Diskin - Rokurou
Monical Rial - Seres
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>>146894429
Why are you posting this? No one on /a/ cares about dubs. Go start a thread on /v/.
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>>146885015
His hair is so fluffy holy shit I just wanna caress it.
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>>146894876
Oh no. Someone is posting actual information. This thread needs more circlejerking about Sorey and Mikleo's gay relationship.
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>>146895083
don't tempt me
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>>146895083
More like look, a crossboarder wants to talk about shit that no one from that board wants to talk about something that no one cares about but the crossboarder.
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>>146895083
Your newness is showing. Do you see anyone else on /a/ talking about dubs? No, because we all know that subs>dubs
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>>146895083

While Tales is usually an exception, most English voice dubs are bland and not worthy of note. I play everything I can in the language it originally came out in.

For me there's also this strange disconnect when I hear obviously Japanese names and locations spoken in English. Then I start wondering how faithful the translation is and what may have gotten cut to suit Western standards. Thankfully Tales won't be changing anything (for Berseria, at least).
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>>146895391
This. A lot of the more subtle nuances is lost in localizations. The discrepancies are really noticeable especially when you have Jap audio and Eng subs enabled.
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>>146895571

Yeah, I noticed it early in Zesty when they get to Ladylake and there's a cs where a kid tells an old guy that he smells like farts in the sub, but he was saying "go die" in Japanese. Cultural differences in meaning/severity aside, I don't think "smells like farts" and "go die" are similar. Plus Lailah's verbal "desu wa" tic is untranslatable, which cuts out a lot of the cuteness of her character for me.
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>>146884354
They'd slowly indoctrinate her into their nerd club.
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>>146895391
>Thankfully Tales won't be changing anything (for Berseria, at least).
Seirei = Malak
Kanonushi = Innominat
Kegare = Muh levolence
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>>146838932
Because he's a huge bro. Being a fag also helps because he doesn't get in the way of people's waifu shit.
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>>146896475

More like censoring various outfits, cutting scenes, things like that. It's happened a lot to JRPGs because Westerners can't handle girls showing skin. The whole Lightning x Hope thing got in FF XIII's saga was dropped entirely in the translation, for example. I expect terms like Seirei to be translated since they're referring to concepts and things that have workable English translations, so leaving them untranslated would be a bit silly. The most important aspect of translation is to convey intent while leaving context intact. A good localization will do exactly that, but they're very hard to find.
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>>146896711
Lightning's entire character was changed for the Western release.
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Watching Berseria subs and I'm at the part where Eizen is breaking the guard's arms to get the key out of him. Holy shit people weren't kidding that he was edgy. It's very entertaining, though.
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>>146896711
In terms of Zestiria/Berseria, it's their choice of words for the localization that's a problem. Ber/Zes is heavily seeped in Eastern lore in terms of religions and the localizers made the mistake of trying to equate that to Western religion, instead of just making up a word for them. The whole thing just gives Westerners the wrong idea regarding the Zestiria worldbuilding.
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>>146896475

What's the point of changing Kanonushi? And Malevolence is a terrible translation for Kegare.

By the way, is there anywhere I can watch episode 5 of Zestiria the X dubbed aside from Funimation's website? I just want to see how the English VAs are for some characters, most notably Velvet.
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>>146896475

Malak really bugs me. I know it comes from an Arabic word that means "Angel", but it loses the "servant" connotations of 精隷.
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>>146897173
>What's the point of changing Kanonushi?

It's a very Japanese-ish name compared to every other character name in Zestiria. They also changed the name of the other Lords of Maotelus from Japanese names to more Western names.
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>>146897508

>Lords of Maotelus

They from Zestiria? Because if so, that's why I don't remember them. I barely remember anything about Zestiria.

That really seems like an excuse to just change names. I'm not going to get angry over it since I can play the Japanese version whenever I want, I'm just saying.
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>>146897173
>By the way, is there anywhere I can watch episode 5 of Zestiria the X dubbed aside from Funimation's website? I just want to see how the English VAs are for some characters, most notably Velvet.

You can get a free trial on Funimation's site if you want to see it today. No one's gonna put up a torrent today. The past times I went to go look for the dub episode of Zestiria the X, the torrent wasn't put up until the next day.
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>>146897656

>Have to enter credit card details just for the trial

Pure cancer. I'll just check Nyaa in a few days.
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>>146897830
http://www.tokyotosho.info/details.php?id=1018588
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>>146898227

Completely forgot about Tokyo Toshoukan, I haven't used it in forever. Thanks, Anon.
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>>146897016
Eizen is amazing. He gets all moe when talking about antiques.
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Just got to the part where You kill the Cardinal. Rose not only completely ruined the entire fucking thing, but she basically stole the responsibility from Sorey.
I just don't understand how anyone thought it was a good idea to include her in this game.
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>>146899522
i hope Baba at least got laid, otherwise it really was all for nothing.
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>>146899446
This entire group is so fun. Passed the scene where Rokurou dismembered the Exorcist that used the Rangetsu style, everyone being so nonchalant about it is great.
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>>146899579
He didn't. That's the only silver lining in all this mess. He deserves all the suffering.
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>>146899652

Was that an optional scene? Because I've been playing the game for the last week and don't remember that.
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>>146899703
there's justice in the world after all.
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>>146899703
Honestly I'm going to make sure I hate every single character Rose's VA voices in the future too. Fuck the VA just as much as Baba.
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>>146900002
Why, though? She was called for a gig, and she did her job. It's not her fault that Baba created that gig in the last minute and fucked the game up.
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>>146900083
Because I'm a salty-ass retard. I'm also drinking my way through the game so I don't have to think about the stupid crap everyone is saying.
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>>146898227

>食魔/Kuuma/Demon Eater
>Therion

Where did they did the word "Therion"? That one seems kinda random.
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>>146899522
Don't they similar beliefs? Rose kills for the sake of people, and the Cardinal was trying to unite everyone. I still don't understand how Rose can be pure when she kills
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>>146899739
Nope, it's when they're blowing up the warship at the sea gate. Rokurou tells the group to go on ahead without him.

See https://youtu.be/8TkD06bF_Og

It's around 15 minutes in.
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>>146900461
Because she's a pile of shit character! Everything she is involved in is hamfisted, from convenient ninjas to all the other shit she says to Sorey. Super toxic, can't help but feel like this game could have had a much different feel if Alisha was the one with him.
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>>146900394
>Therion, Greek for "wild animal" or "beast" (θηρίον), may refer to:

>Therion, the name the Greeks gave to Lupus (constellation) ("wolf")
>Therion (Thelema), a god in Thelema, consort of Babalon
>The Beast (Revelation), a monster from the Book of Revelation
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>>146900461
Basically she's always right because she believes that everything she does is right, which then causes a rip in the time space continuum where everyone then agrees with her.
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Is there a more likeable Tales protag?
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>>146900632
I can see how they got that, but the naming completely misses the point where they're cannabalistic demons.
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>>146900695
I really like Sorey, but as it stands Yuri was pretty much as good as it can get. Especially his relationship with his group. Everyone respected him and he was a real leader most of the time.
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>>146883702
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>>146900181
>Because I'm a salty-ass retard.
Atleast there is some self-awareness in these threads
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>>146902027
More awareness than Rosefags will ever have.
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>>146898227
The line that was worded awkwardly to do a title drop is rewritten into proper English.
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>>146900868
That's because Yuri never have anyone actively fucking up the team dynamic in his party.
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>>146900695
Rose is similar.
>>146900868
>Everyone respected him and he was a real leader most of the time.
Like Rose.
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>>146902800
Except Yuri wasn't ever treated as though he was always right, when he fucked up he was confronted about it. He also wasn't forcefully shoe-horned into the party by a thirsty producer.

Besides that the Alisha DLC made it clear that the party was really only in it for Sorey and didn't really care about Rose.
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>>146902800
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>>146902800
HE'S HERE!!!! EVERYBODY RUN!!!
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>>146902800
Here we go.
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>>146900695
Erston Hitler Outway
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>>146882367
So I guess Sorey really does sleep with Mikleo.
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>>146900695
This desu. But you need to have his voice acting unlocked.
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>>146894429
>Chistina Vee
I'm still butthurt about her shit performance as Homura in madoka. I sure hope they include Japanese audio in the western release again.
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So according to the Funi Dub

Christina Vee is Velvet (using a much deeper voice than normally)
Ben Diskin is Rokurou
Monica Rial is Seres
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>>146904863

if it's any consolation she's using a much deeper and mature voice than normal
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I want to protect her smile.

>>146905220
>Monica Rial
If not for the good story I would have dropped this
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>>146905220
Monica Rial said on Twitter she's only Seres in the anime and not the game.

Although Cristina Vee and Ben Diskin I believe are also the voices in the game because Funimation wouldn't normally hire them because they're not Texas voice actors.
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>>146903572
My headcanon is that they'd trade off sneaking out some nights and crawling into each other's windows to sleep together whenever one of them couldn't manage.
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>>146887801
Ironic given that Mikleo was a human before he was a seraph, even if only briefly.
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>>146905820
Just sleeping to keep warm for sure. They don't do anything else of course.

Yeah...
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>>146842275
Emil was the worst what are you talking about?
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>>146905957
I wonder if Mikleo sleeping is a symptom of him formerly being human, unlike other seraphs that don't seem to need to.
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>>146906195
Part of the seiyuu interview. Hope some fujo uploads scans or something.
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Why is Rose so perfect?

I'm not Baba.
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>>146877530
No they live seperately from Artys throne.

You see their domains shove Inominat into space.
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>>146877917
He was sealed away and can't do shit unless Heldalf dies.
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>>146896475
They are angels and there were angel dragons both fallen and non-fallen. Inmoinat even has a halo he uses to summon dragon heads from.
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>>146897073
It doesn't that much. The Seraphs/Malaks have a genuine western motif to them as much as they do being kami. Only kegare doesn't have that.

Armatized Artorius even looks like Yggdrasil and Malak servants of Inominat are LITERALLY winged angels with halos.
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>>146906077
I think it's just because he's always done things together with Sorey, so when Sorey is asleep he most likely did that too alongside him. It was also mentioned before that the seraphs in Izuchi eat food so Sorey doesn't feel left out.
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>>146882194
>Fujo votes in 1st & 2nd place
>Edna 3rd

It'll do. I'll take it.
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>>146906927
>seraphs in Izuchi eat food so that Sorey wouldn't feel left out
Nice of them.
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>>146895391
>Thankfully Tales won't be changing anything (for Berseria, at least).

It will probably be heavily localized though since it's full of lol japanese humor baka gaijin won't get.

Especially the side quest where you travel around the world to play manzai with Magilou
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>>146907222
Toddler Mikleo probably persuaded them to do so with his sophisticated violet eyes.
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>>146873584
I love her armor
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>>146906927
They also live in houses simply because they wanted to teach Sorey how humans live.
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>>146906313
Didn't it take a while before Hedalf captured him?
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>>146896885
What?
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>>146900461
I though what they meant was that Rose didn't view what she does as morally wrong and so she created no malevolence from it. Hence why Lailah describe her as "pure".
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>>146912268
Magilou is perfection
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>>146838932
The only shitty thing about him is that he gave up on Eizen without even trying
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>>146912268
Pit princess
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>>146913380
That's mostly Rose's fault since they had to insert her into the party last minute. And because her method is always "kill first, ask questions later".
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>>146893037
No one bought Berseria either. In fact, Zestiria sold more than Berseria
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>>146894429
>If that's true then those English voices are definitely the voices of Velvet and Rokurou in the game also.

Do you really think Bamco would want to reveal the voices through Funimation instead of their own trailer?
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>>146915633
Yes they did, you silly cunt
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>>146915633
>Berseria still hasn't outsold Zestiria
damn. at least it's broken 300k...
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>>146915825
To be fair, in its third week, Zesty had sold a lot more (ps3: 371,859) than Berseria (ps4/ps3: 209,172/99,056: has.
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>>146916517
>>146916634
That isn't really surprising though, after the failure that Zestiria was people have lost faith in the Tales series and don't expect Berseria to be good.
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>>146916745
yeah i wasn't expecting the first week sales to be high, but i thought fans would hear the game is actually good and buy it in later weeks. it's still number 3 (PS4) and 6 (PS3) on the charts, though, so i guess that's good.
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>>146916745
Also, sales drop seems to be higher for Zesty.

Berseria
From week 1 to 2: -86.1%
From week 2 to 3: -54.9%

Zestiria
From week 1 to 2: -91.2%
From week 2 to 3: -71.4%
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>>146916745
The Tales franchise is aimed to a geek audience so the potential buyers knew everything about Baba's fall of grace and how Berseria was a big fuck you to Zestiria, they were just not interested
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>>146917344
they didn't know that, Berseria actually being good is a pretty big surprise
Go see 2ch, nico or tsubo
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>>146917459
But if he does that, how can he claim shit he doesnt know about?
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>>146869182
Lying on the internet.....you wouldn't do such a thing now would you anon?
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>>146892891
>The world went to shit because the dragon god wanted hot onee-sans to pat his head.

See Velvet this is the future you chose! Artorious was right!
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>>146917926
Stay dead, Artorious. You are not fooling anyone.


On a more serious note, even with all his fuck ups Lailah could, theoretically speaking, choose a Shepherd that could fix the world. We know that she has failed a lot, and that her only good Shepherd wasn't even choose by her. But the possibility still exist.
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>>146917838
Tales of Zestiria was pretty good.

not a masterpiece, but it was decent and fun to play.
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>>146920127
i wouldn't call it good. average, maybe. i only liked it because of the characters and their interactions with each other.
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>>146916745
>Berseria sells like shit
>i-i'ts Zestiria's fault guise
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>>146902914
>Except Yuri wasn't ever treated as though he was always right
Yes he was? That's exactly why so many people dislike him, in fact.
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>>146920883
>Yes he was?

Nigger are you retarded? Everybody in the party, with exception of Judith, doubted Yuri on several occasions.

Hell one of the story arcs was coming to terms with some of his ideals that conflicted with everyone else's, especially Estelle's and Flynn's.
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>>146916517

Berseria sold 83% of the shipped amount. They barely shipped any because of how badly Zestiria hurt the brand name.
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>>146921715
>83%
wasn't it higher than that? Siliconera says 87% and they get their numbers from Media Create.
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That spinny-mist thing sure gets the job done.
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>>146923840
It's the wind trial, after all.
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>>146921638
The only people I've met who hated him were being contrarian because he's popular. They wouldn't give me any reason related to the story or his character, just that they were tired of hearing about him.
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>>146920783

Considering the harm done to the brand by Baba's ill-advised meddling, yeah, it kind of is. People were upset by buying DLC they thought was for Alicia but ended up being used by Rose instead. The game was massively hyped as a 20th Anniversary celebration game with tons of awesome stuff and it ended up being barely "okay", feeling incomplete and having a very severe issue with the camera that in no way should have made it past QA. Then the bad PR and Baba being entirely unapologetic about his role in messing shit up just enraged people further.

Brands being damaged and suffering losses is a real thing.
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Berseria is so much more interesting and fun than Zestria. More Berseria episodes when.
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Sorry, I never played the games.
Is Alisha going to die or why is there such a storm of pity and hatred about her?
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>>146926263
She just leaves because plot and get's replaced by the waifu of some shitty fuckface.
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>>146926263
>Sorry, I never played the games.
that's fine zestria is trash

> why is there such a storm of pity and hatred about her?
in the game she gets completely sidelined by a mary sue at the pushing of the game's producer despite leading the player to believe she's the heroine at first
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>>146892901
What if the anime ends with them releasing Velvet and ties into an announcement of a third Zestberia game?
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>tfw no more of this
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>>146926449
>>146926494

damn, that hurts. I like her very much.
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I ship him and Meebo, but I can't see them doing lewd things to each other.
Just pure stuff like hugs and handholding.
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>>146926263
It might have been better if she got killed in a dramatic and heroic way, instead of the reason she was dropped from the party. But that would require more work, and they were probably already rushing the production at that point.
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>>146928013
So the Alisha dropping also happens in the game?
Like, they decided to change character direction mid-production and press them on CDs while thinking there won't be any repercussions or backlash?

The way you phrased it was like the director had second doubts about adaption stuff and shoehorn'd his personal cockslut into the mix. Or that was a natural reaction to go anime original because a seiyuu suddenly passed away or something.

I know I sound like an ignorant idiot right now but I didn't see this type of rash development- and direction change in any kind of media before.
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>>146927754
since when is handholding pure?
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>>146928208
No it was like this
>Baba crushes on this one VA
>thinks that by giving her a major role in Zesteria, he'd be able to get his dick wet
>he somehow has way too much power as a producer and shoehorns his waifu into the main party when it looks like she was intended to be a much minor character going by the manga
>forces the development team to change everything 4 months before the release
>all the VAs have to come back and re-record everything

There's a wiki page that goes more in-depth, but it's basically a producer ruining everything because of his lust.
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>>146838932
Because Sorey is actually moralfag done right.

I didn't think Japan had it to make it come true, but they actually did. I was impressed.
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>tfw you will never drink with Rokuro and Eizen
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>>146928208
What happened with Alisha is basically that she is the first character to appear and has strong interest in the journey, it's members and it's consequences to the world, but it happened that she isn't a "chosen one" (read: being Sorey squire was making him blind and she can't armatize) so she is just a dead weight for everyone and had to leave.

The girl the producer favored happened to be a "chosen one" though because of some quite abnormal circumstances, and since the gameplay makes it so you essentially need 2 humans and 2 seraphs in the party, there wasn't need for any other human character in the first place (like Alisha).
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>>146928371
Since always
Vanilla is the sweetest treat, extremely rare in it's conception.
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>>146928801
Sorey is a handholding SLUT though.
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>>146928797
>could have had an interesting subplot of Sorey slowly going blind as Alisha struggled with the guilt of it ending with Alisha through great personal struggle becoming worthy and gaining the ability to armatize
>instead got a shitty insane mary sue waifu
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thread's dying, post homos.
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>>146929393
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>>146929393
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Please don't spoil too much, but do we see Edna in Berseria as a cameo?
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>>146929393
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>>146929486
>RosexAlisha
i GUESS...

>>146929517
not really, no.
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>>146929393
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>>146929617
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>>146929657
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>>146929517
A three second one yeah.
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>>146929660
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>>146929393
Lewd hand holding after 700 years,
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>>146930090
the greatest love story ever fucked up by one Japanese guy trying to get his dick wet

have some taint AU degeneracy, thread.
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>>146930173
I see nothing degenerate there.
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>>146930379
what about this i wish JP would share their doujins.
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>>146930530
>shota mikleo
wew
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>>146930530
Nope, still not seeing it.
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>>146930616
shota Mikleo is absolutely not for exploiting.
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>>146930647
?
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>>146930530
Does he wear this outfit in the game?
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>>146930779
Mikleo or Sorey? it's Sorey's alternate color costume. and that's what shota Mikleo wears in all the official art of him.

apparently Mikleo wore his shota outfit in one of the early anime episodes, i saw a comparison somewhere... i just remember that episode drove me nuts because it took me 15 minutes to realize his belt corset was missing and i thought he looked weird.
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>>146925935
Also them pushing the problems in regards to people judgement of the game being bad and their questionable marketing on the consumers. It was a huge shitfest in more ways then one.
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