Episode 23 Discussion
Posting the best girl.
Why is Mirage such a cute?
>Everyone thought Mikumo was some ancient force of nature protoculture being with endless mysteries surrounding her
>Turns out she's just a neglected child who doesn't know how to deal with social situations and has more power than she can handle and just does whatever she's told to
Mikumo needs a hug and a parent figure.
>>146797211
It's okay she has 4 mothers(Walkure) and might get a new daddy soon (Hayate).
>>146796376
Green Freyja isn't best girl.
DYRL > SDF > ZERO > SEVEN > PLUS > FRONTIER > DELTA > II
>>146797456
But look at the positive side, Macross Delta at least it's better than Kuromukuro.
>>146796376
Ranka Lee Best Girl
>>146797906
X is better than Y
Who fuckin care? The 2nd cour is meh
>>146797439
>Green Freyja
Totally not true.
Shit episode?
http://www.strawpoll.me/11163942
>>146797906
I'm enjoying Kuromukuro more. I certainly care a lot more about its characters.
>>146796376
Real best girl coming through.
>>146797906
You wish.
>>146796314
post rare mikumos
Preview of all songs from 2nd album
http://www.jvcmusic.co.jp/flyingdog/-/Discography/A025373/VTZL-115.html
I noticed another big difference between 1st and 2nd cour. Song usage. Every song from 1st album had its "big moment" in anime where it was heavily highlighted and played for an extended period of time. Ikenai will be always associated with craziness of the 1st episode, Bokura no Senjou - with Freyja inspiring Hayate during his first test, Cosmic Movement - with big concert in episode 4, Walkure Attack - with their operation in asteroid field in episode 6, etc etc etc.
But it's not the case in 2nd cour. So far we had only 2 real song highlights - God Bless You in episode 16 and Hametsu no Junjou in episode 18. That's fucking it. OP2 and Wind Blows were never used as insert songs. We got like 30 seconds of Hear the Universe and Makina's song playing in background so no one has any idea what's their full version is like. We didn't even get full verse + chorus for Walkure flashback song too and the whole scene was pretty uninspiring. Freyja didn't even sing properly for Absolute 5.
Also majority of the songs in 1st cour were played several times so viewer can get used them and appreciate it. But they didn't repeat shit in the 2nd cour and actually reuse songs from the 1st album. I wouldn't be surprised if final song is Ikenai Borderline or Walkure Attack again.
I can't remember any other anime which was fucked up so much by retarded late production decision.
>>146798818
>>146798989
>Ikenai will be always associated with craziness of the 1st episode
I miss those days. Where did all that dancing mecha action go?
Freyja as Princess Leia
Hayate as Han Solo
Mirage as Chewbacca
http://youtu.be/sO-KR-14uXM
>>146799413
>Mirage as Chewbacca
My sides
>>146799413
It doesn't look like execution scene, there are rocks in background. If Heinz wants a trial why would he then execute them in the middle of nowhere? It would be central square or somewhere within prison walls.
>>146799673
It's probably going to be something ridiculous, like the sentence is death by throwing them into the spacetime butthole.
>>146799673
Something to do with scheming Roid perhaps.
We can all agree Delta is shit right?
>>146799413
I bet they gonna get cockblocked again.
>Hayate I lo-
>Rescue team arrived
>>146798989
Just another example of how Delta's second cour was handled poorly as a whole
>>146800429
SDF > Frontier > Delta > 7
>>146800461
Why didn't you listen to his song anon?
WHERE IS THE FUCKING DOGFIGHTS??
Roid has been obsessed with the idea that the windies are the Protoculture's heirs. Now that the star singer isn't a windermerian, what will he do?
Will he hide her and pretend Heinz is powering the ruins? marry her into the royal family? or just use her to amplify Heinz powers?
>>146800429
I know this is a shitposter, but I honestly don't think Delta is as bad as some people think it is. The circlejerk of negativity is affecting the perception of the show. Delta is disappointing and has lots of flaws, but it's still watchable. It's not pure unadulterated shit like Gargantia, Valvrave, G-Reco or Aldnoah Zero.
>>146798250
holy shit, posting the image of the worst character of kuromukuro. Yukina's a stupid and useless heroine that becomes a damsel in distress in thirteen of the twenty two episodes so far, not to mention the fact that she also needs a charming prince to achieve her rescue throughout the whole series.
t.yukina, you really have a big shit taste.
>>146800626
I was under the impression he didn't give a shit about the other windies and is now on a mission to use Mikumo to sing the entire galaxy into submission to him.
>>146800626
Roid is gay
poor Mikumo
>>146800745
He's a big protoculturefag, but he always cared about Heinz. He also always considered him the king of protoculturewhile not noticing that Heinz's body couldn't keep up until he collapsed.
>use Mikumo to sing the entire galaxy into submission
>>146800626
>impregnate Mikumo
>now their child is windermerian AND protoculture heir
It wasn't that hard
>>146796314
"literally nothing happens" the Episode
can't believe I waited a week for this shit
>>146800626
>Roid
fuck off dumb bishounen
>>146800696
I don't think I've ever been as disappointed in a show as much as I have been with Delta. There was still some entertainment value to be had in a train wreck, but this doesn't even qualify as one.
>>146801281
There's no need to be upset.
>>146801281
Everyone in this show is ugly.
>>146800448
Same anon here, and I even I 100% agree. Poor Freyjers.
>>146801475
You're blind.
>>146801549
Her hair is hideous, that shade of purple is ugly.
I still love this scene. I miss their banter. We haven't really gotten any HayaFre banter since episode 17 when Hayate pressed that cold water bottle to her face.
Fuck Kawamori and his muh angst
>>146801661
The shade of your face is ugly
>>146801475
>>146800696
>G-Reco
Speaking of things that are meme'd into being perceived as worse than they are...
>>146802428
No, it was genuinely terrible. And I'm saying this as someone who loved Zeta, Victory and even liked the second half of ZZ and F91. G-Reco was bad mate.
>>146801784
Freyja is a child with Down's syndrome
>>146802819
>>146801665
Fuck their "feel good triangle". Nobody's feeling fucking good.
Did the BD fix anything?
>>146802577
z91 would have made for a better full series than victory
Just another friendly reminder that Hayate has a hilariously creepy father complex on Freyja. Seriously, this kid has issues.
Where are my Kaname's bros at?
>>146803045
Ded.
>>146803045
Giraffe Blues solo when?
>>146803045
Right here.
>>146802819
>Freyja is a child with Down's syndrome
yeah
>>146796524
Because you have great taste
>>146803045
FUCK this slut
>>146796314
You know a show has to be disappointing when there is almost no one defending it on the normal 2ch thread after mostly everyone there liked it at 13.
>>146800429
Yes
>>146800515
Nowhere, enjoy the idorus
>>146804047
fuck off Arad
>>146796376
Ranka should had won.
Hopefully Freyja will win this time around.
>>146804331
Never ever rankafag
>>146800429
Still better than frontier, god I hated that shit.
>>146804099
Delta would be a solid 8.5/10 if they just stuck with the 13 episode + 1 movie plan. The only episodes in the 2nd cor that are good are 16 /18. 17 and 22 are decent but other than that the 2nd cour has been shit.
>>146804331
Freyjafag here
Yes, Freyja should win. And no, Ranka shouldn't have won. I don't really think she ever stood a chance. Plus her love for Alto seemed childish and she was more into seeing him as her white knight.
>>146804331
You're not helping our cause if you admit to being a Rankafag.
>>146804464
The fuck, Episode 23 was pretty good too.
>>146804512
If Ranka was designated as the heroine that gets together with Alto in the end then the story would have changed to suit her role, you know.
>>146804564
Bite me. I love both.
>>146804622
I'm live in a shithole, the episode is still downloading. Gonna take at least another hour, though I am hyped from why I'be been seeing.
>>146804464
Why did you hate Frontier anon?
>>146804512
I had high expectations for this series but it keeps on getting worse each episode.
accursed genkifag is a fucking shitty like stupid moeblobfag
Ranka
>>146804331
>Ranka should had won.
No, Sheryl is the one and she won it. Are you think that Freyja winning is a revenge for Rankafag? It would be a revenge if it's competition between 2 singers but it's not.
The lack of super, armor, and tornado packs in Delta with the VFs grates my nerves.
WHY DOES HAYATE HAVE 2 RUNES
DID I MISD SOMETHING
WHAT IS HAPPENING
>>146805941
They were fake because he's a stupid asshole. Bogue should have cut off his head for such mockery.
>>146805922
There aren't even fucking missiles. Fuck, how do you even have a Macross series where the pilots aren't unloading part of their obscenely large missile arsenal at each other at least once per battle?
>>146806061
Do we all agree that those fake runes were shitty as fuck? Runes deserve more respect, they shouldn't be mocked like this. Fucking wanna be rune posers.
>>146806258
>mfw I misread that as "wanna be rune-posters"
>>146806258
>>146806061
They should be all executed for been spies
Thoughts on the usage of fake runes?
http://www.strawpoll.me/11164984
>>146806457
They did mention that Heinz wants them to stand trial, although all that's awaiting them is just an execution.
I can already tell nobody is going to win the Hayatebowl.
>>146807012
>Heinz
Fucking Hayate. I want a cute waifu with a rune too
>>146807012
good
>>146807398
>you are both my wings
>>146804331
Except no? Sheryl was the one who bonded with Alto, and I think Freyja is the one who bonded with Hayate.
Ranka never had a good relationship with Alto.
>>146807659
pls no
Well that was unexpected. Couldn't they at least have given him some death flags?
>>146807863
It's what the shippers get for their inveterate shitposting.
>they just happened to land near Freyja's hometown
How big is Windermere anyways?
>>146805941
So that really wasn't explained? I had no idea where that came from and justified it to myself as having not paid enough attention in a previous episode and missing a scene where Hayate put on fake runes because he's a total nutter and thought it would let him better connect with Freyja.
>>146808042
The best ending to piss off shitposters would be if they both die in the finale and Hayate marries one of the bridge bunnies for no reason.
>>146808003
He was literally puking death flags the entire episode.
>>146808362
That would be glorious. It also won't happen.
>>146808386
thatsthejoke.jpg
This is cute. It makes me think of how JUNNA actually is the youngest Walkure.
>>146808322
Everyone except Freyja was wearing fake runes. Seems like superficial stuff like that along with local civvie clothing is part of standard Xaos infiltration procedure, given that it's pretty similar to what they were doing on both Voldor and Al'Shahal. And they did it on Al'Shahal when the place was a friendly planet.
It doesn't stand up to inspection by people who have been briefed with descriptions of them, but it might have gotten them past civilians, which might have been necessary to the plan given they're meeting in the capital.
>>146808322
>justified it to myself as having not paid enough attention in a previous episode and missing a scene where Hayate put on fake runes because he's a total nutter and thought it would let him better connect with Freyja.
My sides. I can actually see this happening because Hayate is such a Freyjafag
>Freyja! To get a better understanding of you and so our connection can deepen, I've decided to put in these fake runes.
>... Hayate....
>Freyja! It'll definitely be buccha Gori Gori!
are these niggers serious?
>>146808806
MUH KAZE
>>146808806
They also use giant birds to fly on them.
>>146808806
planes are expensive.
>>146809003
I knew he was a pedo.
>>146803362
Kaname is cute
Am I the only one who finds the "your dad was Hitler" thing to be pretty weak? It's not like Hayate approves of what his dad did or had anything to do with it. And for the characters to all take that out on him doesn't make much sense to me either.
>only 3 episodes left
>Kumo-Kumo finally gets some cute scenes and actually starts to open up a bit
>immediately captured and separated from the group to prevent any further interesting character moments
Bravo Kawamori, you fucking hack.
>>146809514
That's all they had time for anon. They wasted too many episodes on Freyja and Hayate brooding.
>>146808806
I completely lost it.
>>146809469
It's something that exists in the Japanese culture and East/South East Asian culture in general. Due to the notion of what you do and say affects your family in the society, if a parent commited a crime and others learn about it, you are done.
In Hayate's case is the usual 'you are blamed/paying for your father's sins'. They don't take account Hayate was also a child at that time and had no say to what his father did. Other culture values, although even today children of the people who have commited a crime, are not so accepted in our side either but at least they are not blamed for it (as far as I know or in the same notion as in Asia).
>>146809469
Wait for it, i bet those dumb windies didn't even checked the black box.
>>146809469
It's an honor thing. Some countries do that. You're father's a loser? Well now you're a loser. Even if that's not the case, the father complex thing he has for Freyja and the fact that he wears that pendant for good luck obviously means Hayate deeply loved his father and looked up to him. So of course he'd feel guilty knowing his childhood hero fucked his waifu's planet.
Makina is a miracle of the universe
OK so Hayate is actually a manlet, he's only 1.69 mts. How tall was Alto?
>>146811019
He was very alto
>>146811059
>>146811059
Badum tss!
>only true Spanish speaking kids will get this
>>146797211
She's both, anon.
>>146809842
I don't really get why people are having such a hard time with this, it's not like the whole Sins of the Father concept is completely extinct in western culture.
Nice to see they included the waifu
>涙目爆発音
We finally got another Kaname lead song after so many days of waiting.
Right now the best way for this to end will be Hayate dropping another nuke on Windermere.
>>146808322
They probably thought it was a given, since that's how they've done disguises for the show. The problem is mostly that the female runes are not necessarily identifiable as such, they're easily mistaken as maybe just hair clips. The male runes are distinctive, and that's why Hayate's is the only ones you noticed.
It's just a misunderstanding.
>>146811575
>Oh hey they even loaded a real dimension eater onto dad's plane when they repaired and refueled it just to make sure the exhibit was completely realistic
>>146809577
>That's all they had time for anon.
Well, that's because
>They wasted too many episodes on Freyja and Hayate brooding.
So
>Bravo Kawamori, you fucking hack.
>>146811541
Disappointed that they didn't have her helmetless with her husbando like in that lovely DYRL callback scene.
>>146811575
bomber immelmann do it again
>>146811897
>Disappointed
>they didn't have her helmetless with her husbando like in that lovely DYRL callback scene
Delta is already shit. How can it be compared to the greatness of DYRL.
Nice job, Kawamori.
>>146798989
How sad would it be if after Mikumo gives up her life, they all sing happy birthday to her during the ending credits
>>146812838
She won't because Lady M have spare Mikumo bodies in store in her facility.
>>146812838
Why would the three year-old child give up her life for all these fucking retards? Aren't they adults? They should give up their lives to protect the little girl.
>>146813027
Because she's za makkurossu
>>146813079
She's the little Macross. Macross' imouto.
>Reading mango about two Otaku who are dating.
>suddenly this
>>146809469
>Am I the only one who finds the "your dad was Hitler" thing to be pretty weak?
Tell that to the Japanese who kept being treated like they personally fought in WW2.
>>146796376
>>146813426
>I can never be your Ranka
Unless she actually hates him, this is a good thing.
>>146813578
Nah. It was because the guy said his type was cute, small girls like Ranka.
>>146813572
oh wow, that's pretty direct.
I'm really starting to think that everyone forgot that Macross isn't a romance anime because of Frontier.
>>146813743
But it is a romance anime. The original Macross tv show is all about Hikaru and his one sided love for Minmay.
We should be getting newtype spoilers soon.
>>146813572
>little girl japanese girl goes alone to the american militar camp
Yep, she at least got raped twice.
>>146814730I want Immeldad/Freyja vanilla doujin
>>146814851
well that mp3 player wasn't free, that's for sure.
So Keith will stop the executin, right? It will be role reversal from earlier in the series when Roid stopped Freyas head from being lopped off.
Maybe he will even let Hayate fly the YF-22.
>>146815267
>VF-22
A lot of us were thinking either Arad or NUNS would save them, but Keith doing so isn't out of the question. Especially if he finds out more about Roid's current plans with Mikumo.
>>146798989
>the whole birthday song is played in the sample
ok
>>146808806
As retarded as this is, the fold out guns looked pretty cool.
>>146808806
seems fucking fun though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mun_kUi9dx4
>>146815484
>>146815484
>>146815705
DELETE ROID
>>146809469
I feel the same. That shock on his face better be for finding out that his daddy is kill.
If it's for "you dad bombed everyone" then it's pretty weak. He was already told that and it's still as ambiguous as back then.
Fucking Immelmann nuked a place and nobody knows fucking why. Him being dead in his plane simply makes things more abstract.
Shame Delta won't be as good as Escaflowne.
>>146816818
It's heartbreaking. I think I'll give up on animu and mango forever.
So is Mikumo compromised at this time?
Is she going to have super babies with roid?
Is she gonna have super babies with heinz?
Will she take over the windies?
Will she kill roid?
With the pink faggot wind knight get ass-raped?
>>146817278
Roid will either mindbreak or blackmail Kumo into singing in the sanctum and trigger some protoculture bullshit.
Where has this fucking faggot been?
>>146817817
praying to allah
>>146817817
He probably already owns the whole sector
>>146797906
No.
>>146796376
Ranka a cute. A CUTE!
>>146796524
Mirage a hot. A HOT!
So final battle will be Roid, mikumo and epsilon vs rebel aerial knights and Chaos while NUNS as the audience enjoying their popcorns?
>>146815267
Imagine how wet JUNNA will be if Keith ever interacts with Mikumo.
Damn this Macross had so much potential, i still remember how awesome the first few episodes were.
Why did Delta become so meh?
>>146818599
No more dancing mecha.
>>146818596
>tfw there will be no shy interacton you expect.
JUNNA only does the singing voice, so even if there are conversations between those two, she will no be the one talking.
>>146817817
What is even the point of his character? I assumed he was like Grace and her pals from Frontier, manipulating Roid and feeding him information in order to obtain some larger goal for himself but then Roid went and did all that on his own and this faggot hasn't done anything about it.
>>146819034
Delta has shit writing. I guess he's there to infodump everyone in episode 19.
>>146818596
>Creepy glasses guy killed your father, and you're letting him run this country and take care of your little brother? You're not very bright.
>>146819034
I bet he's working with the NUNS guy. Both are part of a shady organization collecting data about the protoculture ruins.
>>146813426
What chapter?
>>146819034
Dude who earns money. He is a neutral party.
>>146818526
As you can see NUNS are VAR'ed, can't do anything even when they do something or they simply do nothing at all.
Arad's trip to the old NUNS garrison can make sense if he has found something about that day when daddy has bombed Windermere.
>>146819605
He definitely found something can be used as plot device in the future.
>A bag of dried jellyfish, high quality stuff.
>>146818599
Forced second cour instead of movie like they originally planned, resulting in unpolished padding.
>>146796376
More like best OTP right?
>>146819605
Maybe Kaname saw a picture of Mr. Isis.
>>146819839
Hopefully if we get a movie it replaces the whole 2nd cour and we all can forget the 2nd cour ever happened, because it's just so painfully bad.
>>146820474
you're painfully bad
>>146808558
I want to make JUNNA experience lots of different things. Fifteen (15)!
>>146809211
>kaname takes off her stylish russian hat
>big damn ahoge heart rune pops out
>Arad joins Messer in the afterlife due to moe
New date:
Vol.2 9059 (+950 BD; +251 dvd)
OP/ED 2: 36,087 (+1,772)
Album 1: 116,995 (+1383)
What a brilliant disguise.
>>146821093
She should have worn a fake moustache and a top hat.
>>146808806
There are the real wind knights.
>>146820474
No movie, sorry
>>146821371
Source?
>>146821455
The original plan was 13 and a movie, but instead we got 26 episodes
>>146804648
Even when Ranka was changed to fit Alto she still lost via friendzone.
>>146821497
The TV series got extended. Doesn't mean that there's no movie.
I appreciate tying up Mikumo, but how do villains in Macross never gag the girls to stop them from singing?
>>146821823
Singing is exactly what he wants her to do
>>146821020
Kaname, Reina and Mirage has a teardrop rune. You can see it in this episode.
>>146821666
They made a movie into a 2nd cour.
>>146821881
Sauce?
>>146821666
I have a feeling the extension was because they wanted to time the release of the smartphone game with the end of the tv series but there were unexpected delays as expected.
In the end, everything got botched up.
>>146821881
>>>146229853
>The series composition was originally supposed to be 13 episodes and a movie to conclude it, Then they got 26 episodes.
I don't see where they mentioned that there will be no movie.
Now you too can get a heart-rune
At least for your bike
>>146821173
>>146796314
I was a Miragefag, but after the KIRA, I am now a Freyja playah.
>>146821839
In Roid's case, yeah. But Bogue could've gagged Freyja to shut her up and the security on the medical ship could've done it considering they fully know the powers of their singing.
Just feel it's an easier solution to a lot of the Macross villains' problems.
>>146821972
Kek, you're a hero anon.
>>146821911
Nemoto
Originally it was supposed to be made up one cour and a movie. I recall it being around the time that we were working on the scenario for the fourth episode that it became a 2 cour show.
Still, the scenario for the first cour had momentum so we proceeded to make it into two cours in a way that that would build up from it.
We did have some vague ideas about what to do in a movie, so we filled that in for two cours.
>>146822077
I stand corrected then. At least we won't have a SKY ending.
>>146820130
I love this.
Does Roid run an optical shop? Dude has too many glasses,
Even offscreen Reina manages to put herself in trouble. No wonder Makina is always around her.
Why is Kumo a moeblob now?
>>146822371
She's always been. Nobody teased her and she's always been distancing herself from the others whenever they had a break.
>>146822371
Because Makina bullied her.
>>146822198
He has a meganneko fetish. He only wears glasses on his person to hide this fact, while the real reason he has so many, is because he sneaks girls into his room and has them wear them for him.
Mikumo is one step away from being his next victim
>>146801356
Go away with your alien-possessed alien
>Immeldad is a Rankafag
Disgusting.
>>146822464
>Keith let his otouto near this creep for 9 years.
What was he thinking?
Now that I think about it, does Keith even know about the alien scriptures? Roid sealed that place.
Was it raped?
Who will adopt Kumo after this is over?
>>146822729
Makimaki and Reina since they can't have kids of their own.
>>146822704
Whenever shit like this happens I get taken out of the story thinking "hoo doujin time"
Chances of Immeldad/Freyja doujin?
>>146822949
"I'm gonna nuke your ass"
"I'm cumming from my rune~"
"The wind is changing... to cum"
"Giri Giri my ass, Hayate~"
Remember that "Freyja is mind-controlling Hayate" theory from a few weeks away?
Did anyone notice that Hayate actually DID get his bants back when Freyja hadn't sang for a while (the scene where he talks to Kumo), and now after Freyja started singing again he's gone back to
>hurr sing at the black hole
>>146804331
This is a miragefag trying to poison our waifu with memes.
>>146798989
They're a bit too fond of Giraffe Blues these past few episodes.
>>146808362
No the best ending is Mirage getting bullied at the end.
>>146823313
Yeah, where's the Hayate from the first 3 episodes? He's an addict now, nothing more. Him becoming normal for a short time was just relapse, in the end he begged her to sing in the most appropriate time ever, just to get his dope once more. Hayate seriously a shit. He's good for absolutely nothing without Freyja and once she's gone, he will kill himself.
the frontier movies came out years after the series
we can't yet categorically say there will be no delta films to fix this shit
>>146823784
>shit
It's not. It has flaws, but it's not shit
>>146823510
Kawamori is the one directly in charge of the song scenes are handled and what songs they use.
Him not selecting any of the new songs means he couldn't find any appropriate place to use themi.e. even he thinks they're trash or the script and storyboards are too trashy to come up with good places to use the new songs
>>146823867
it has shit spess plane fights, shit romance and OK songs
overall, it's shit
>>146823934
you're shit
>>146823313
Are you serious
Did you expect him to look at the disaster his dad apparently caused and go lol no hard feelings bros
I'm sure most people here did the hand sign with Freyja.
>>146824011
That scene was too cute.
>>146824011
I thought I was being strange when I *kira*'d along.
Also... Freya Seikan Hikou fucking when
>>146824011
I do the Walkure hand sign whenever KumoKumo does it.
>>146824011
>doing the loser sign
Kek
>episode 23
>Hayate's Valk doesn't have any damn upgrade, even any armor or backpack
inb4 Hayate dad's VF will be his upgrade
>>146824201
of course it will be. I can't wait to see the windies faces when he rides it.
>>146824149
>I do the Walkure hand sign whenever KumoKumo does it.
I don't know why, but I begin to do this to other people. T..they sure don't know, r..right? It's just a westcoast sign!
>>146824246
"I won't make the mistake of only nuking windermere once!"
At episode 23 of Macross Frontier, Ranka had been captured by Galaxy and stuck in their neural net, and Sheryl had resolved to sing and die in a final attack on the Vajra home planet.
>>146824246
>Hayate drops a nuke on the royal castle
>"This one's for you, dad"
>>146824201
I would forgive Satellite if they did that, but they reused the fucking Monster scene from Frontier. There is no way in hell they're going to do CG for the VF-22.
When does Newtype release? I'm ready to see my Freyja waifu on the character poll again.
>>146819839
That makes sense, in fact I now understand why they killed messer so early and why Hayate managed to get revenge so fast.
>>146824473
>inb4 hurr this show is shit why do you still care
What I don't understand is why they wanted to go for only one cour in the original plan. There's never been a main Macross show that's less than 2 cours.
>>146821971
What kind of person hangs a fluorescent scrotum from their bike?
>>146821983
So you start rooting for a girl only after you are certain she'll lose?
>>146824592
It's clearly a heart
>>146824508
>I like to shit on people because they have fun
Delta may not be doing so good right now but my love for Freyja keeps me strong.
Freyja best girl.
I hate Freyja with all my might.
t. M*****
>>146824685
I miss hearing the first ED after every episode.
I love this precious Hoina so much.Also I'm just in an excellent mood today and looking at Freyja fanarts made me even happier because I was reminded of how great I think she is and how much I adore her.
>>146824685
I said inb4, freyjafriend. These threads have a dedicated shitposter who wants to kill any conversation.
I'm still enjoying this showand my daughteru
>>146824592
You don't know true Macross fans.
>>146824695
You can't spell Mirage without rage
>>146824711
I miss it too. It's such a cute and upbeat song. Also the ED sequence was incredibly cute and catchy.
Anyway, here's to hoping Freyja gets a happy end where she gets to sing and do all the things she loves that make her happy.
I'm still hoping for the Solo Wing Mirage ending but it's getting less and less likely.
>KumoKumo finally acts cute
>captured by freak
Why
>>146824889
Freyja WILL die.
>>146824903
I still hope so <<buddy>>inb4 she gets immeldad VF and launches a nuke at windies
>>146824842
Ah! I'm so sorry then senpai. Im just so used to seeing negativity here that I got defensive.
But yes, let's keep enjoying our Freyja daughteru.
Precious, precious Freyja-chan.
>>146824955
Character development suffering flags.
>>146824980
It's alright.
>>146824903
>I'm still hoping for the Solo Wing Mirage ending but it's getting less and less likely.
At this point, piloting is clearly an extremely minor part of the show compared to past Macross series. This was never a war that was going to be settled by piloting skill.
The hint is that the story began with a battle concert. The pilots are just the backups of the singers. The ending of this show would likely involve a sing-off of Freyja taking centre stage, leading all the other singers and have a battle of songs against berserker Mikumo.
Mirage seemed to matter so little because she never mattered. If this had been a more combat-oriented show then it could have been, but as it is she is just support. I just wish they hadn't bothered to make her a Jenius.
>>146825117
>macross went full idolshit
th-thanks kawamori
>>146824967
But her soul will choose to go back in time.
>>146824972
>inb4 she gets immeldad VF and launches a nuke at windies
That's actually what I was thinking about.
We can only hope.
>>146825117
I was pretty hype for the first few episodes, shame they didn't deliver.
>>146825302
Let's see what happens
but yeah, I was Ace Combat as fuck in the beginning
I teach you of Mirage Farina Jenius. Freyja is something to be overcome. What have you done to overcome her? What is ape to man? A laughingstock or a painful embarrassment. And just the same shall Freyja be to Mirage: a laughingstock or a painful embarrassment.
Behold, I teach of Mirage!
Mirage is the meaning of the world. Let your will say: Mirage shall be the meaning of the universe!
I beseech you, my brothers, remain faithful to Mirage, and do not believe those who speak to you of Wind- and Solo Wing endings! Poisonous Freyjafags are they, whether they know it or not. Despisers of life are they, decaying and poisoned themselves, of whom the earth is weary: so let them go.
>>146825423
That's so cute!
>>146825438
The cutest and thebuddiest
I'm not a big fan of what they're doing to mikumo's character.
She went from strong mysterious leader type to depressed android to moeblob learning about the world.
>>146825438
That's it, I'm a #MirageMissile now.
>>146825589
She's 2 years old dude.
I actually liked it, since being the aloof 'cool' character makes her less of a person and more of a dumb trope
>>146825589
>stick my dick inside Mikumo
>cum inside her without her knowing
>>146825438
>not wanting Solo Wing ending where she annithlates everything in the sky
>>146825612
She was more interesting as a dumb trope than she is now as a person.
>>146825117
Remember those days when pilot skill and song hacks worked in unison in Macross 7? I missed those times though.
>>146825438
>Believing in a character whose name literally means illusion, something without substance
okay
>>146825691
Sadly now pilots are just another prop for the idols
>>146825747
Well it's not the pilots who bring in the dolla dolla bling bling
>>146825438
The cushions foretold of your fall and you did not heed it then
>>146825691
>pilot skill
Isn't Hayate a rookie? He didn't go to a piloting school or anything and it's been like 6 months since he joined Xaos. It'd be pure bullshit if he could go on par with the super child soldiers with the enhanced abilities.
>>146825829
sasuga kawamori
>>146825910
But he's the MC, he has PLOT ARMOR.
>>146825910
He got mad skillz buffs thanks to Freyja
>>146825829
Censor those pillows! This is a Christian image board.
>>146826009
Fuck you! Corners touching is 100% natural! It's not obscene at all! You can't make me! Free corner touching for all pillows!
>>146825910
He had natural talent since the beginning. Add to that the love buffs he gets from his waifu and he's on par with Keith.
>>146826061
Pretty sure one of the ten commandments is
>Though shalt not duvet your neighbour's wife
>>146825589
I like her becoming a curious child character because that means she isn't going to die.
>>146825829
>Freyjafag so lost and delusional he starts making shit up about pillows
>>146826079
Love buffs didn't help messer that much
>>146825910
>Isn't Hayate a rookie? He didn't go to a piloting school or anything and it's been like 6 months since he joined Xaos. It'd be pure bullshit if he could go on par with the super child soldiers with the enhanced abilities.
I meant the rest of the Xaos' crew not just the MC alone.
I was expecting Mirage to be a relevant pilot like Gamlin where he from a mediocre pilot to an actual elite by the end of the series but it turns out otherwise. Besides that, Macross 7 has a proper balance in both piloting skills and song hax in general unlike Delta where the whole show is all about song hax which defeats the purpose of the show.
>>146825829
Is the Freyja pillow going down on the Hayate pillow?
>>146826133
>not believing in the purity of pillows
>>146826229
What?! No, you sick fuck. Can't you see they're just holding corners?
>>146826229
It's the equivalent ofhandholding
>>146826287
>just holding corners
>just
'Just'
>>146825670
Would her song powerlevel go beyond the maximum, if she was shown firsthand what some of their lyrics are implying?
>>146826193
The rest of Xaos is irrelevant
>>146826319
Stop trying to sexualize MUH HayaFre pillow ship. It's not for lewd. It's pure and innocent.
>>146825829
Literally white mouses for you, Freyjafag. You are misinterpreting the signs. Look closer. Are the blue and yellow pillows touching while the red one is far off side? Yes. But again, look closer. The blue and yellow pillows are submerged in a sea of red. Yes, this is the true meaning of our Mirage. She is like an amoeba: simple, yet omnipresent, yet unnoticed. Willing to learn, merge, mutante, exeunt its failures and survive. She will fully absorb Freyja and merge with Hayate. You have no chance to win, make your time Freyjafag. The hour is almost 12 for your kind.
>>146825363
> but yeah, I was Ace Combat as fuck in the beginning
Everyone was Ace Combat as fuck after that head-on in episode 1.
How I wished Mirage is pilot like Gamlin. But I know it will never happen.
>>146826473
And then shit settled down to sandniggers talking about previous seasons and freya singing giraffe blues
>>146825943
Everyone has.
>>146826079
He's still inexperienced and can't keep up with the windies without the help of his waifu. Give him a few years and he'll kick ass without her around.
>>146826193
I see your point. I haven't watched 7 yet but if I remember correctly it had 49 episodes or something, that's the equivalent of what? 2 years in universe? You could see the pilots skills getting better. In delta 6 months or so passed. You can't become better in 6 months.
Canonically, Mirage is slightly better than Hayate, she just needs to stop being insecure, yes they are taking their time with her, but it will happen.
>>146826508
> freya singing giraffe blues
Aces shooting each other don't sell. Idols sell. Do the math.
>>146826342
>Makina and Reina realized Mikumo is bullyable if you catch her off guard
>Makina wants to hear her songs after she's experienced different things and feelings
>a lot of her songs are pretty lewd
They're both gonna /u/ the fuck out of poor little Mikumo as soon as the war is over.
>>146826473
I remember
>>146826499
Same here, what a waste
>>146826585
This is not the future I choose
>>146826604
Good.
>>146826566
>But it will happen
You do realize this is about to end right?
>>146826640
>This is not the future I choose
You're not the target audience so whatever.
>>146826473
It was awesome, I rewatch the fight all the time, the Aerial Knights theme still gives me the chills.
Here's something I've been thinking about (because of some discussion I had with a mesakana fan) - would keeping Messer alive have a (better/worse) impact on the story as it is now? Or was killing him off a good decision plotwise?
>>146826857
Aerial Knights theme is pretty much the only memorable track in the OST.
>>146826867
Killing Messer was good because the series needed a sense of danger. If no one ever died it wouldn't have the right atmosphere. They just dropped the ball afterwards and didn't build ontop of it.
>>146826867
Killing him was a wrong move since it did not improve Hayate and/or Mirage and the Aerial Knights have plot armor until the very end.
>>146826892
>not Kurage Ondo
>>146826867
I miss the Shirokishi Shinigami dogfights.
>>146826912
>needed a sense of danger
>Hayate giving a shit about an Aerial Knight trying to kill him
>Hayate sparing Bogue multiple times
>>146826566
>In delta 6 months or so passed. You can't become better in 6 months.
I can see that happening if they properly use those boring episodes for Mirage's development.
It can actually happen if the writers don't screw it up which they did unfortunately.
>>146826857
Come to think of it, the only thing that pretty much changed with the Knights was that we got to know more about them with each episode. In the beginning they were so intriguing because they were unknown. Some ace pilots coming out of nowhere and fucking shit up, again and again? Some unknown face declaring war on them? This made the whole scenery awesome. Now that we learn about them is okay since the main cast is on their planet finally. But they could have been left in mystery up until that point. It still worked good with Berger, we still don't know what his deal is. No backstories or long screentimes for him. He came in to Chaos, knew everything, and silently fucked off. That was great and should have been the case with Windermere.
>>146826867
Killing him it was a mistake
besides his dead had no impact
>all these buttmad mirage niggers who can't accept their girl is a loser and just call the show shit
sad desu
>>146826711
Well, she suddenly can avoid Hayate's shoot so quick in episode 22, then Arad said something she finally improved, so don't be surprise if they give another asspull, say, she use VF-22 and suddenly able rekt everyone to rescue Hayate and Freyja.
>>146827178
Do you really think Mirage's development is the only major problem of this show?
>>146826867
Being a dark skinned German who loves flying and idols myself It's hard to be objective, but the I think the show went downhill after he died.
His death did not cause Mirage to develop as I hoped she would, without him air combat was just not the same and we have less romance since his death actually seemed to kill Kaname romantic development.
>>146827178
She will still win the hayate bowl fampai
>>146827268
>she suddenly can avoid Hayate's shoot
She won't be avoiding Hayate's shoot in the doujins
>>146827296
>a dark skinned German
It that
10
layers of irony?
Yfw we will never see an armada of NUNS spaceships and multiple fleets of valkyries in the climatic battle of Delta just like Frontier.
>>146826912
I think this guy got it right. It wasn't a mistake to kill him, they just fucked up the fallout and development we should have gotten as a result of it.
If they kept him alive, would it have done anything for the story? Kaname would have been even less interesting. As it is, the "tragedy" (if we can call it that) is what sets her apart from cardboard cutouts like Makina and Reina
>>146827374
That's Frontier movie not TV. There is literally no reason for them to come. Delta's ending is going on Macross Zero-tier Scale.
>>146825910
>who is Max
I'm hoping Macross Delta's climatic batte should be at least like this or better than this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVb8zs5uHlI
>>146827374
> Yfw we will never see an armada of NUNS spaceships and multiple fleets of valkyries in the climatic battle of Delta just like Frontier.
That was movies.
>>146827456
>is going
is going to be*
>>146827450
And,
>the original Mirage in Kawamori's memos was supposed to be an ace just like Messer, but it was hard to make her distinct from Messer so they made her only slightly better than Hayate.
I think this change is also a mistake.
very cute
>>146827470
More like something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkviQJC8fCc
On earth
>>146827327
What can I say? My father had a taste for big ass latinas and eventually ended up marrying one.
>>146827479
>>146827456
>That's in the movies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTTZG17Pdsg
See 0:51, at least we have more Valkyries than in Delta. Not to mention a Battle Class in action hammering and wrecking shit.
>>146827456
Which is a good thing since in battles like those individual skill can make a difference.
Not that stuff like that matters in this matters in Delta where 5 guys can destroy multiple large ships and hundreds of fighters by themselves.
>>146827522
Should've kept her an ace anyway. Having two emotionally stunted ace pilots is fine if you're going to kill one off anyway. It'd make Hayate level up, and teach Mirage that their lives are always on the line and she should open up to her feelings sooner. Then even the triangle would have been fixed.
>>146827450
Kaname and Arad are so weird after his death, they look like a couple that lost a son.
>>146827740
Then again, the most hilarious thing that could happen in Delta was Arad doing nothing as a Squad Leader. Ozma Lee on the other hand for the very least did have some scenes for himself.
>>146827522
They should have just combined Messer and Mirage into one character so Mirage could actually be Hayate's true instructor and then just have Mirage critically injured which then makes Hayate step up or something.
>>146827937
Exactly! I agree with your point!
>>146827937
Killing Messer was one of Kawamori idea. He thought about it during Frontier TV.
>>146819111
To be fair, Roid is the first person Keith loved as family, not his father. Keith is torn here between his brother and his pseudo brother.
>>146827268
Mirage's "development" is part of the reason for the slow pace. Episode 14 was centered all around her and Hayate working together to fix some shit, but nothing came out of it and it wasted our time. Then there's all those little scenes we get of her looking sad, defeated, hopeless, it all could have been screentime for more important characters like Mikumo. But like I said, she's only part of the reason.
>>146828077
>Mirage's "development" is part of the reason for the slow pace
But that does not mean that they have to waste like 3 episodes for useless flashbacks and infodump.
>>146828077
None of these are development, this is why the writing is shit.
>>146826347
>The rest of Xaos is irrelevant
Everyone but Freyja is irrelevant. That was the problem with Delta even before the show went completely to shit in the second cour.
>>146827937
They could have just made her an ace. I don't see why we can't have more than one ace when Delta squadron is supposed to be a squadron of aces. Mirage should have been like her grandaddy, a natural born ace who is humble, and wears glasses.
>>146828253
More than one (dead) ace means squadron will do it's job without magical song buffs.
>>146827318
thats about all that left to you. Doujins
>>146826193
I think the overuse of Song hacks was one of the reasons why Delta really isn't great and kind of made Messer's death pointless. Hayate didn't get good because of his death, but got carried by music hacks instead.
>>146828253
>and wears glasses
that is my fetish.jpg
>>146828253
>spaceelfwithglasses.png
This should have been canon.
>>146828301
Same anon here, while I think it's stupid to downgrade Mirage for the sake of making her different, I like the songbuff concept.
>>146828498
Songbuff is good as one-time deal only.
>>146827470
I'm hoping there's no final battle and it's just idols singing at each other. If the show is going to crash, let it crash with no survivors.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-09-06/idol-fan-draws-brutally-honest-introspective-webcomic/.105984
Even Japan is starting to realize that idolshit is a mistake.
>>146829136
>I'm hoping there's no final battle and it's just idols singing at each other.
Sad thing is there are no signs of Juxtaposition in terms of singing like Frontier in Macross Delta.
>>146829361
>ANN
>>146829361
>>146829361
Is that the japanese version of the Bobby Kotick comic?
Do Windermerians cut their hair?
>>146828946
Nah, it's fun to have a pilot's ability enhanced by his idol's singing. It makes Hayate and Freyja closer than they already are.
>>146829661
If forces shitty jap romance, so it's pretty fucking boring. Do it once, mix it with STRONG DETERMINATION of MC.
Will we get a new Macross series with our heroes being part of the NUNS?
>>146826867
Killing him was not bad in itself, but the development and outcome after that was not what was expected.
Mirage and Hayate did not developed as pilots after his death, after Hayate saying he would fly Messer's share he really wouldn't have been able to do it if it wasn't for Freyja, we saw Mirage wanting to become a better pilot because of her family name in the first cour, but after Messer's death it's like she didn't care anymore, when it should be the opposite.
Messer's death was intended to show that there was a real risk in the war but that feel dissapeared quickly since it was not true for any other character, specially the knights, and when one finally died it was not because of a battle, he just expired in the battlefield without achieving anything.
So since nothing important really changed with his death, people think that maybe keeping him alive would probably have been better.
For example, we could have kept his rivalry with Keith going, because let's be honest Hayate and Keith are not rivals, no matter how hard the merchandise want us to think that.
Also we could have had the secondary triangle develop a bit more instead of just having Kaname remembering Messer everytime and Arad doing nothing, if he had survived after being connected with Kaname through her song maybe she would have noticed he had feelings for her, and that would have changed the dynamic between the three of them.
In the end, killing Messer was a mistake just because they didn't do anything of importance with it, keeping him alive could have been better but at the same time maybe they would have just screwed it all the same.
>>146829757
No.
>>146829757
No because kawamori is a peacefag that hates the military
>>146829757
Not as long as Kawamori is in charge.
>>146829713
Romance is integral part of Macross. And we had the whole 1st cour of songbuffs without any major romance implications. Songbuffs are just songbuffs.
>>146829523
This. It's like pointing to cracked or rolling stone and saying "see? people hate x!"
>>146829361
> (It might be prudent to note that, if you really feel that you've wasted your life on an obsession, suicide is not the answer.)
>>146829801
>Romance is integral part of Macross.
And the shittiest one. Japs can't into romance.
>>146829768
>Mirage and Hayate did not developed as pilots after his death
I love how people can write a fucking wall of text complaining that anime didn't follow one of the shittiest and overused shounen tropes of "X suddenly gits gud because his nakama/sensei died".
Also
>but after Messer's death it's like she didn't care anymore, when it should be the opposite.
Did you miss episode 12?
>>146829713
But MC is determined. The guy is devoted to protecting Freyja and making her happy.
>>146829998
Even more DETERMINATION. Let him enter some sort of tranquil rage.
>>146829867
Nah, you just picked wrong franchise from the very start, but you keep complaining about it like a total retard.
>>146829867
For you maybe but most Delta fans like the romance between mc and idol waifu. They're undeniably well written.
>>146829867
Whenever I see this comment, always the same faggot who makes it, all I can see is a buttblasted mirageshipper who knows his ship has been doomed for months now
>w-well, i-it's not like I c-cared anyway! Japs can't into r-romance! It's shit!
>>146830027
>>146830179
Neither side can into bantz so when someone starts up some banter both side's asses get red and sore
>>146829988
She was a determind one but after episode 16 she suddenly became a character who exist for triangle sake,shit writing.
>>146830242
Not tranquil.
What a fag. Look at him smiling at his waifu while she's reminiscing about the past with a smile on her face.
>>146830460
He can even tell when her songs are recorded and sung live instantly. He wasn't even wearing his fold quartz at the time.
He's just super attuned to her in general.
>>146830591
Hayate is a good boy. He'll make his Freyja waifu happy. I believe in him.
>>146830675
DELETE FAKE RUNE
>>146830429
>It's "shit writing" shitposter
You need also to re-watch episode 22.
>>146830457
Yeah but it's not fun that way. Seeing him losing his shit over another man touching his waifu is the best shit ever
>>146830812
Now all we need is Hayate pulling a Molly Weasly when he kills Bogue
>NOT MY WAIFU, YOU BITCH!
Wait, there is people still trying defend the writing of this show?
>>146830460
>>146830591
>>146830731
Too bad his dad had to kill millions in order for him to fulfill his purpose of being a good husbando pilot.
>>146830986
You're imaging things.
>>146831028
KEIKAKU DOORI
>>146831028
Tfw your dad will never nuke a planet and commit genocide just so you can have UNMEI with a cutie Hoina with a rune
Does any Delta girl deserve to be added to the Kawamori Worst Girls 3x3?
>>146831276
>Minmay
Why?
>>146831276
>Grace
>Nanase
worst
Nigga I'll cut youYes its glassesfag again
>>146831276
Well, I'd say Mirage is the worst girl in Delta merely because she's a disappointment. But she's not bad enough to put on a worst girls list. She's at least a "decent" girl.
>>146831358
TV series Grace was bad, Mommy movies Grace was good.
>>146831276
Not this time. Not even Mirage because she's not annoying despite her purpose being nothing but a cockblock.
>>146831276
No.
>>146831276
>sara
>Merle
>dog-chan
You list is shit
Wow, Kumokumo's virginity is in danger with that idolfag.
>>146831619
He's gonna rape her eyesight by putting all those glasses on her
>>146828253
>Tfw you'll never have a love story as good as your grandparents'.
>>146831276
>Grace
>Celiane
>worst girl
Your taste is literal garbage
>>146831619
>crazy scientists
>Lady M
>now Roid
Why is Kawamori turning Kumo into doujin bait?
>>146832080
Celiane was fucking garbage, just like Silvia and Mikono. Probably even worse, falling in love with the guy who massacred your race for fun just because he was hot is pathetic.
>>146832254
Meanwhile in Delta
>falling in love with the son of a guy who massacred your race
Kawamori has some strange fetishes
>>146830591
Well it's not exactly difficult to tell prerecorded songs from live sung ones if you've heard it multiple times before.
>>146829988
>I love how people can write a fucking wall of text complaining that anime didn't follow one of the shittiest and overused shounen tropes of "X suddenly gits gud because his nakama/sensei died".
But that's not what I wanted, and ironically that's what happens, a few days after Messer died Hayate was "suddenly" able to keep up with Keith and even shoot him down (thanks to Freyja).
The non asspull version of that would have been Hayate together with Mirage and even Chuck keeping Keith busy, and ultimately shooting him down as a team, then after that have Hayate gradually becoming a better pilot on his own and maybe even show him training once or twice like Mirage did in ep 6, but no, let's use fold magic to make the rookie pilot be on the same level of a super human Ace.
>>146831276
>Himiko
Why do people automatically assume loser = worst girl? Himiko wasn't the best girl of the show, but she was more useful than that walking pair of tits.
>>146832323
Mhm. Give it up, anon. It was because he's attuned to her. He was even mad as fuck because he wasn't listening to her real song.
You don't have to take it as a romantic development if you don't want to, but don't downplay the importance that Freyja's songs have to Hayate. Hayate treasures her songs and has on more than one occasion told her he feels like he grows wings when he listens to them and that he loves them, even going as far as saying that flying without her songs doesn't feel right.
>>146832339
It's not like Macross hasn't had asspulls in terms of skills anyways. Max had less flight experience than fucking Kakizaki and he's already better than everyone on board the Macross. At least Hayate has the love-love songbuff going for him, allowing him to temporarily become superhuman.
>>146832502
She was annoying, clingy and possessive of a guy who was clearly not into her at all. She was a forceful Ranka. Just because she was useful doesn't mean she wasn't terrible.
Lady M is Minmay.
Mari Iijima was in Tokyo doing "acting" work and posted photos of herself with Macross producers.
>>146832339
No, you complained about Mirage and Mirage only.
Hayate is presented to viewer as pilot with natural talent, someone who is not an ace only due to lack of experience. Unfortunately this anime can't show 2-3 years of him gettting gud. Also Hayate used songbuffs even before Messer's deaths. Not only Hayate was getting better at piloting on his own, his resonance with Freyja was getting better too.
>>146831276
Makina and Reina are pretty shitty and pointless. No plot purpose, their songs are bad and you could give their hacking skills and whatever Makina does to anyone else in the bridge without the story changing.
>>146831276
>Minmay
A flawed but great character.
>Grace
Not the best but far from being worst.
>Merle
Fight me you fucking faggot.
>They haven't released yet an album filled with covers of Frontier songs by Freyja and Mikumo
JUST
>>146832689
>Just because she was useful doesn't mean she wasn't terrible.
Well actually it matters, but I guess our vision of worst girl varies.
>>146833237
Hayate is manlet.
>>146833516
>Go to the trouble of fitting fake runes
>get captured almost immediately
>>146833625
>broadcast your face all over Windermere 6 episodes ago
>it's okay guys I'm sure no one will recognize us if we are wearing fake rune
Literally why. Why didn't they use the holograms from the second episode that made them look like completely different people.
>>146833799
>>146833625
The best part is why don't they use their holograms to escape just like what happened at Voldor.
>>146833799
Windermerean civilians dont have televisions so they weren't gonna be recognized by the general population anyway. And they weren't gonna fool soldiers or knights to begin with.
>>146832908
Fuck off, Boguefag
>>146833909
Will Kawamori reconsider using hand drawn animation on mechs and dog fights or maybe a mixture of both CGs and hand drawing? If budget constraint is the reason to less battles and usage of recycle animation. Why not consider about it then? Plus did a good job on that aspect though.
>>146834917
>Extremely expensive OVA with months in between episodes
>At all comparable with a weekly TV series
No mecha uses hand drawn stuff in this age
>>146834980
Sunrise does.
>>146834917
>They're already incredibly tight on schedule and Kawamori isn't allowed to do more than 2 seconds of missiles.
>wanting more handdrawn in this situation
The schedule would explode and we would get stick figures for the last half of the season.
>>146833818
DELETE THIS
>>146804331
>sheryl won but got space aids
>freyja will die in 15 years
Yeah freyja will win. Macross logic
>>146835039
Only Studio 1 does and because they're usually sucessful. IBO was full of quality.
Mirage actually has a split personality.
Mirage is the useless half, while Lady M is the cool and competent leader.
>>146835104
She will get cured with a Deus ex machina just like Sheryl TV.
>>146828077
If only her development could be about developing her mirages.
>>146835201
What the fuck am i reading?
>>146835218
>just like sheryl tv
All the more reason freyja will win
>>146835269
But no one won in Frontier TV.
>>146835218
Sheryl is cured in the movies too. Or do you think that blood transfusion scene is for shits and giggles?
>>146831276
Only Mikono is shit here though.
>>146835127
>Only Studio 1 does
Implying Sunrise doesn't. Look at G no Reconguista. Old school hand drawn animation at its best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEq6YkGtAPY
If macross does, I believe the animation will be way fluid as heck and Kawamori could've saved some funds and spent more time to devise proper plans in making scrips and other related stuff to the project. Its not that I wanna compare, but it is possible for Macross to do so.
>>146835346
Sheryl did
>>146832689
>hating Himiko
>>146835373
>blood transfusion scene
Yeah, it wasn't the case in TV series. It was a Deus ex machina.
>>146835403
>>Only Studio 1 does
>Implying Sunrise doesn't
That's very embarrassing post.
Also I don't even know what you're trying to imply. Hand draw animation is always more expensive and time consuming.
>>146835403
>If macross does, I believe the animation will be way fluid as heck
Are you implying handrawn VFs would be both cheaper and faster? Because it's the exact fucking opposite. Handdrawn mechs rely heavily on animator talent that Satelight simply does not have and would take ages to do right with the fast moving scenes VFs have.
>>146835403
>If macross does,
Satelight is a QUALITY studio. They weren't involved in the 2D macross.
I wonder what happened to all those miragefags who kept claiming Mirage was "always" there for Hayate. That was literally their only argument against freyjafags.
>>146835643
She WAS there. It looks like Freyjafags recovered from last weeks or are you one of the survivors?
>>146835499
>>146835516
>>146835609
Now i got a clear picture of how things goes on Satelight's part. Thanks for correcting.
>>146825117
When the fuck will we get the second coming of DIMONDO FORCE?
>>146835680
So was Freyja. Best Mirage moment in weeks and it wasn't even her moment alone. Doesn't help last episode had Hayate and Freyja mirror Alto and Sheryl.
>>146835403
Let's be honest, Macross TV series had QUALITY and stock footage problems ever since SDF.
>>146835934
never because we're not revisiting 7
>>146835692
It would be great if they animate Macross the ride as an OAV series like the movie Redline from madhouse one day.
>>146836077
It's a waste of good character design and custom VF if they don't do it.
>>146836132
That fucking pillow discussion, christ my sides are gone.
>>146835990
>Tradition
Here we go again.
They should have made the Aerial Knights a boy band that rivals Walkure if the battles were going to be song-buffed.
>no more Immelman Dance
>>146836077
I thought Macross the Ride's got a girl as MC. That wouldn't fly in anime.
>>146836303
>Walkure weren't show pilots dancing in VFs themselves
>>146836077
They don't do adaptations in macross though. At most it's movie retellings. But no manga or book ever been made into anime
Anyway, Chelsea a hot
>>146836263
>complaining about Tradition in Freyja's favor
I think my irony meter broke
>>146836303
>no more focus on Hayate
>no more focus on Mirage
>Windermere became more relevant and less of Team Rocket
>no more "Onore walkure" from bogue
>the twins will finally do something relevant
>>146836334
>a girl as MC.
>That wouldn't fly in anime.
Why?
>>146836524
Tradition. Macross anime always have a guy as MC.
>>146836303
This sounds actually good. But we would need to have more characters to protect the boy band, so this is how I would fix it:
>no Makina and Reina, let's have a 3 vs 3 idol bands
>Bogue and the twins are the idols
>Keith, Cassim and Herman their pilots
>Roid is their Tsubasa/Grace
>Heinz is the Kanata, the aspiring idol
>>146836576
>Tradition.
>>146836355
>>146836475
>Walkure remote control the Delta planes themselves and incorporate them into their concerts
>Replace Bogue with Hayate and Mirage with some other knight or something to keep the triangle intact
>merge the rest of the Delta squadron with the other knights
>it's a culture war with them competing with each other for audience and eventually synching together
>>146836673
Makina and Reina are in that pictures.
>>146836263
Tradition is that best girl always wins. Freyja is best girl.
>>146836303
Dropping the Hayate piloting as if he was dancing aspect from the first episodes is one of the biggest misses from Delta.
>>146836712
>Mirage with some other knight
Whoops, I meant to say some knight for Mirage.
>>146836904
The answer is Keith
>>146836825
He'll most likely dance again during or after the final battle. Seems built up to come to that.
>>146836936
Mirage doesn't deserve Keith.
>>146837416
oh come on, he's lost an eye now
>>146837451
Nope.
>>146837451
Cyclops or not, he's still a prince, rich and an ace pilot. Mirage is a literally who.
>>146837773
He's also too worried about his brother to fall in love with anyone, especially the enemy. No love for Mirage....
>>146838472
Incest route best route.
>>146837416
>>146837451
>>146837773
>all this Mirage bullying
>>146838578
Says Mikumo`s shota