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Sangatsu no Lion PV

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Wow this actually looked good. Shaft didnt go for the 3d cg background and went for a 2d looking thing. A bit low budgeted but it doesnt really show.

Cam rip: https://twitter.com/senyanko/status/772088320327159808
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That looks great.
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Doesn't look too much like usual Shaft, that's very good.
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>>146670194
Wow, it actually looks normal.

Thank you based Shinbo.
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>>146670360
Who woulda known that Shinbo was the most stable director at shaft.
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>>146670194
>A bit low budgeted
actually not, at least from what we see in this short pv.
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Oh thank fucking god it doesn't take after their stale and sterile style that have plagued most of their new shows.

God bless the big daddy himself.
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>>146670448
Shinbo is a great director. Probably not a good teacher though, because most of his students don't seem to have learned much.
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Buying the BD changes the whole premise of the show. Knowing Shaft this will likely happen.
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I think this pretty much confirms that shinbo is actually doing the direction. None of the other directors at shaft have similar flare to Dezaki. Which Shinbo shows a ton of visual cues from the PV alone.

If it isnt him I would be suprised.
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>This browser does not support video playback.
Pls help.
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dat combo of Shinbou's storyboard magic and Yasuhiro Nakura art setting.

Did we just find a new member for Team Shinbou?
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>not shaft shenanigan
Dropped
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>>146670790
update to a browser post 2000
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Wow. It actually looks like something that could have been made by them during the pre-monogatari era.
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>>146670194
How can Euphonium even compete?
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>>146670817
>shaft shenanigan

Everything in the showed scenes screams Shinbou.
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Oh I see
Now you all love Shaft and Shinbou
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>>146670194
Ai Kayano looks like her character
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>>146670687
>Shinobo
>Anywhere close to Dezaki's attention to detail
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Wow, so Shaft is actually a decent studio when they try.
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>the family antics scenes

so good!
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Reminder that this is also a two cour show!
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>>146670883
It still has something Shaft to it, but it looks more like something like something by a Shaft dude being episode director on a show made by brain's base for example.
The style is there but it's not all up its own ass as it is usually known to be.
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Will the MC fuck the 3 sisters ?
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>>146671122
In doujinshi
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I don't see why you're all surprised. It looks like the usual Shaft show, expect it doesn't have wacky backgrounds.
Still doesn't fit the ambiance of the manga, still going to be shit.
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The pictures they are moving! You can call them animations!
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>>146670957
~ guy who never watched 1 Dezaki anime
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>>146671207
>Still doesn't fit the ambiance of the manga, still going to be shit.

dat bait

Just the short scnes of the family antics were so good and nailed the manga perfectly.
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>it's SHAFT but without what makes SHAFT interesting

No thanks.
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>>146671231
You really should. I recommend Oniisama e.
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That one interview with that one Shaft guy still cracks me up.

>We should make an anime of an award winning manga?
>two cours?
>on NHK G?
>Are you drunk?
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looks like garbage
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>>146671314
Good that Shinbou nor anyone else at Shaft do those postcard memories frames.
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>>146671318
link?
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>>146671281
>power point animation is what makes Shaft interesting

Fuck you.

I just want pre-2010 Shaft back, everything after Monogatari is absolute garbage.
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>>146671379
3lion anime page.
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>>146670194
SHAFT finally abandoning their muh artsy style? Thank fucking god.
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>Shinbo directing again
>Oishi back from his half a decade long slumber in the freezer
Can Shinbo drag his fucboi right hand man fucking around in SL back again?

Hell maybe they could do another a new PPD for shits and giggles.
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>>146671429
No they didnt. Look at Zaregoto. And I'm guessing Fate will be even more muh style.

Its just that this source requires them to be more tame. This is the closest we will ever get to pre gatari era shaft. Rejoice now because theres only 22 weeks of this.
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>>146671490
Keep that SL hack. All he does it make lazy SoL or light novel adaptions now.

Honestly lost all his style after leaving shaft. I miss Natsu no Arashi and Ef level of direction.
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>wonderful looking without all the Adobe After Effects nonsense

Is it really so hard Ufotable and KyoAni?
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>>146670194
>2D is now low budget

Sasuga neo-/a/
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>looks LITERALLY nothing like H&C when their art style is almost identical

OP's pic looks like durarara
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>>146671574
Shaft's Digital Photography department is top notch.

Even Kizumonogatari with his high amount of CG didn't use much post-effects. It's interesting that Shaft is aware that they are doing animations and not doing some pseudo filming.
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Shockingly cheap looking.
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>>146671574
Looks inferior to Eupho desu
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>>146671626
Line art and shading look nothing like DRRR. Stop being a pleb.
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>>146671653
And that's why Shaft productions can never be kino
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>>146671552
He's still aight. Poor guy can't get attached to good source material to direct but he's still got the magic albeit thankfully more subdued compared to his contemporaries.
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How is Sangatsu no Lion when compared to Honey & Clover? I wasn't really that into the latter.
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>>146671657
>shocking cheap
>nhk

Is this your first nhk series?
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>>146671687
I mean if you enlarge the image sure, but from a thumbnail I literally thought it was drr.

That is impossible to mistake with any scene from H&C, they almost look like opposites with the color pallet so far
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>>146671743
You are not my first samefag.
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>>146671742
same artist
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>another genius kid emo life
Why people like this again? Tried reading the manga but dropped this after some chapters. I just go with some people enjoy things I dont enjoy then.
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>>146671825
I know that, what I mean is, how are the story and characters?
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>>146671657
NHK is japan's PBS
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>>146671498
>And I'm guessing Fate will be even more muh style.
Yeah, maybe it'll make a piece of Type Moon trash actually watchable for once.
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>>146671871
scene was great

Now I'm sad that I got "spoiled".
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>>146671653
That's why there's a literal filtered filmed background in the movie.
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>>146671901
It's a good artistic choice, you fucking pleb
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>>146671657
What the fuck are you talking about?
This is the Dennou Coil of our generation in term of sakuga.
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>>146671901
>kyoani doesn't
also, they used 3d models. something kyoani also sucks doing
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>>146672004
It won't even be the best-animated show next season when Shaft's best animators will still be busy with Kizumonogatari.
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>>146671653
>Shaft's Digital Photography department is top notch.
They're fucking garbage. A lot of the CG assets in the Monogatari series are awful.
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>>146672070
Kizu is done all is left is post production.
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>>146672133
[citation needed]
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>>146672070
>Shaft's best animators will still be busy with Kizumonogatari
They can still use freelancers like every studio does.

Most of the best animators are freelancers.
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>>146672133
Proofs?
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>>146671653
>[email protected]

They were like 10 years ahead of everyone else. They basically killed their main business field (cel painting) and invested everything in their digital department.
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This garbage is going to flop so hard
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>>146672243
>NHK
>selling
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>>146672179
Odds are the best freelancers that Shaft know will be working on Kizu too, which is what already happened with the previous two Kizu movies. It's their prestige project after all.
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Kizu 2 is flopping right now
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>>146672243
Doesn't matter because it airs on NH fucking K.

That said, it's going to sell well.
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Good version when?
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>>146672285
>made over a billion
>flopping
keep telling yourself that
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>>146672285
400m atm isn't flopping. Looking at how shaft cut many corners in the movie its easily making a profit.
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I want studiowars and "i-it's flopping!" bait to end.
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>>146672351
> 400m
Source? Anyway it is less than the first movie did.
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>All we know for sure is that they outsourced ep1 2nd KA in July.
Dead on arrival
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>>146672459
[citation needed]
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>>146672459
Source or bullshit
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>>146672459
>finished 1st key animation 3 months before the OA
Based SHAFT.
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>>146672511
art looks good, coloring looks like ass

how did we go from pastel watercolors to neon gradients
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>>146672587
Check your color settings, Poland.
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>>146672587
You got something against gradients?
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The color is on the dark side of things. But it does have pastelly flare to it.
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>>146671141
Reading Sangatsu porn is tantamount to reading Yotsuba porn.
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>>146672459
How does that indicate the show's dead on arrival?
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>>146672639
It's illfitting of the series and more or less the opposite of what it should be
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>>146672742
It doesnt, its called baiting.
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>>146672469
>>146672511
>>146672550
Another NHK no-budget show.
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>>146672742
It's not important to most anime viewers unless you're one of those nerds who care about forced animation.
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So the next 3lion special is on the 18th
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Is 11 am on Saturday prime time?
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>>146672874
Yes.
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>>146672874
Yes, it's when the average businessman returns home.
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Other studios would use CG for a scene like this but SHAFT didn't.
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>>146673041
I can't remember the last time Shaft had an anime with good-looking backgrounds.
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Has Shitbo finally awoken from his post-Monogatarishit slumber?
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Non camrip:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4rqgt7
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>>146673041
Plenty of studios use 2D for static crowds, they go 3D when actual movement is involved
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>>146673169
The CG backgrounds were a mixed bag.
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>>146673180
Shinbo stopped doing anything long before Monogatari.
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>>146673183
good shit!
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>>146673312
yet Shinbo was requested as director because of Monogatari, Madoka Magica and Arakawa

How ironic
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>>146673381
Yet he didnt do any directing for either of those series.
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>>146673381
fun fact
He storyboarded episode 8 of Madoka
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>>146673441
*episode 9
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>>146673414
That's the point
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>>146673441
Was he credited?
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Can we also talk about how top notch the BGM in the special was.

Yukari Hashimoto is a god.
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>>146672295
Cool horseshit bro
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>>146672822
I wasn't surprised. Last NHK-E series I watched was Log Horizon and it suffers from the same thing.
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>>146673710
>samefag
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It looks really good but there's definitely going to be some QUALITY moments. The part of the video where Rei walks to the sister's house was pretty jarring looking compared to the rest of the animated scenes shown.

>>146673576
Yes, definitely looking forward to hearing more music for the series.
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>>146673169
This is a joke right?
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>>146673752
>jarring

not really.

Quite the opposite. The entire SoL segment was nicely animated.
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>>146672063
When KyoAni used 3d models in Hibike no one noticed and thought that every instrument was hand drawn. That's how much low key their CG is. The post fx they apply is just a directional preference of Yamada and Ishihara.
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>>146670194
To be fucking honest, I just feel like self inserting the guy already, it will be the Shigatsu of 2016.
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>>146673795
> no one noticed and thought that every instrument was hand drawn

things which never happened
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>>146673789
Loved the contrast between the stoic GO player and the family antics.
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>>146673710
But 3gatsu is on NHK-G, you fucking retad
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>>146672343
>Over a billion
Kimi no wa destroyed Shaft so hard. It didn't even get 70mil on its whole second week. SHAFT shouldn't have competed with an actual artist in the box office.
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>>146673795
>When KyoAni used 3d models in Hibike no one noticed and thought that every instrument was hand drawn
Which bit are you talking about?
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>>146673789
Except for the part where he walks into their yard.
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>>146672874
Primetime-ish. 9-11 is the primetime.
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>>146674048
Not really.
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>>146673789
It's obvious that he just wanted to do that QUALITY meme.
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>>146673795
Yeah, no. There are CG instruments but those are only used 1) as animator reference, 2) in non-performance group shots that usually lasted several seconds tops.
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>>146674148
Is there an artbook for the series with these types of illustrations?
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>>146670194

It still looks pretty cheap but none of the usual gimmicks surprisingly and not all washed out.

>>146670860

Euphonium isn't even a daytime show. Totally different things.
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>>146673948
>shinkai
>actual artist
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>>146673953
In the general shots of the band in episode 5 and 7 all the instruments besides the clarinets were 3DCG. No one in the history of anime called them on that or even noticed.
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>>146673557
That episode was credited to a pseudonym, so it could well have been.
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>>146673795
Yeah no. They should've focused on the cars instead
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It does look like low budget shit, but atleast it isn't the same old tired bakeshit style.
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>No colours and text flashing in your face every 3 seconds
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>>146674195
Yes. At least two.
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>>146674208
I wouldn't find it strange that Eupho re airs as a daytime show. Keion, Tamako and Nichijou all reaired pre 12:00.
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>>146672070
>Shaft's best animators will still be busy with Kizumonogatari.
Its not even the best looking SHAFT production
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>>146674395
What is?
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>>146672343

>Making shit up. Keep telling yourself that

>>146672449

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/intl/japan/?yr=2016&wk=35&currency=local&p=.htm

It's at 350 million yen after two weeks or only a little above what the first movie made in it's first weekend. Pretty bad performance.
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>>146674395
It is the best-animated though.
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dat weak baiting
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>>146674370
Yeah, Ufo could do well as a day time show.
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>>146674195
>>146674343
Wrong image.
But my heart was in the right place.
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Kizu and 3 gatsu and maybe Zaregoto is solidifying 2016 being the best year for Shaft.
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>>146674094
That's their crappy choice. Never go full 3DCG. Atleast make the textures hand painted or Photoshop filtered.
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>>146673948

It got caught up in two animated blockbusters now, GuP and Kimi. I wonder what the third one will be.
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>>146674395
Yeah but looking at the credits you'll see their only veterans working on it and you'll see that even the biggest name freelancers were working on Kizu 1. Shinkai used them all up on kimi no wa so that Kizu 2 didn't have anyone big working on it.
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>>146674547
>didn't have anyone big working on it

Why are the baits so weak in this thread?
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>>146674547
Kizu 2 looked far better than the first movie. Did you watch the fight scenes.
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>>146674459
Fuck, shitty luck today.
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>>146674435
> 350 million yen
Plus 800 mil from Kizu 1. They are doing fine.
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>>146674454
>>146674590
>that detail
I bet their instrument person will be relieved when Hibike is over.
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>>146674513
There are no big projects remaining this year. KyoAni's movie would most likely hit 500m. Mappa's movie isn't a big hitter either. Aniplex's movie doesn't look decent enough and was already postponed so the hype died.
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>>146670194
Hey, would you look at that. Shinbo tamed his usual directing style to fit the tone of the show like everyone with half a brain thought would happen. Now if only they took the same care with Zaregoto as they did with this.
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>>146674637
Also it doesnt show a steep decline from week 1 to 2 so thats a good thing.
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>>146674547
>Kizu 2 didn't have anyone big working on it

>Kazuhiro Miwa
>Naoki Kobayashi
>Hirofumi Suzuki
>Kouichi Arai
>Shinpei Tomooka
>Toshiyuki Sato

A good amount of notable animators if you ask me.
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>>146674229
https://youtu.be/H_bhDwZEN5U

Not just the instruments were CG but also several of the band members and it was pretty obvious.
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>>146674195
You can get individual animation drawings at the KyoAni Shop.
Although their key animation books sold well, KyoAni don't make them anymore because they hate sakugafags.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adnbZooM4WQ

Honey and Clover thread?
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>>146674637
>Plus 800 from Kizu 1.
Yeah I'm sure Aniplex is happy about giving them another budget and then counting the monetary gains from the 1st movie. Doesn't work like that when it's a subcontracting movie.
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>Studios hate working on NHK projects because it's government owned and they can't decline their offer.
>They receive no profit at all
>still comparing this shit to kyoani shit
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>>146672133
Post production do you mean, like half a month before airing ?

Then they still have to finish that Kizu part 3.
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>>146674727
That's too bad, I just want to look at really nice drawings of instruments
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>>146674682
Zaregoto is more of a cash grab from Gatari fanbase by Aniplex. While this looks like a passion project.
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>>146674727
Good on Kyoani for not pandering to those faggots
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>>146674704
Compare it to Shinkai's movie, Hosoda's last 2 movies or Kizu 1 even. Kizu 2 didn't get enough attention in the making and flopped at the box office. Hope Aniplex learns from that for the HF movies.
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>>146673169
It was mixed, but I really liked the backgrounds in this scene.
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>>146674733
Honey and Clover is the anime the helped me stop being a NEET. I will love it forever for that.
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>>146674774
Another budget? You realize its only 1 hour long per movie. That is like owari episode 1 special with 15 extra minutes. Consider the fact that most of the background were either CG or real life they didnt exhaust as much money as you think they did.

Shaft is known as the budget saving studio. Which is why aniplex loves them.
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Reminder that this anime is WANPACK-ED from the start.

http://wanpack.main.jp/archives/4177
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>>146674899
Kizu is such a wonderful unique looking piece of anime.

Oishi is fucking great.
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>>146674733
Why is this series so good but simultaneously so enraging?
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>>146674682
>Shinbo tamed his usual directing style

Do you mean, other director's style ? You know, Shinbo hasn't directed anything in three years.
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>>146674780
>KyoAni's work was too good they're going to include it in student manuals for all levels of mandatory education
SHAFT BTFO
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>>146674916
>CG
>cheaper

How retarded are you again?
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>>146674899
Holy fuck that's bad. Even Gumball has better BGs
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>>146674963
Shinbo, Oishi, and Takeuchi should pack their bags and leave Shaft. Too good for it.
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>>146674774
Who fucking cares. They did very good looking movies and monogatari franchise is almost over. Kizu box office doesn't matter anymore.
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>>146674960
>7 cuts of 2-gen

Wow! That's like...nothing...
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>>146674971
Because it's made for women by a woman.
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>>146674960
Like all shaft series?
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>>146674960
WANPACK-ED

What doese that even mean.
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>>146674071
9-11 PM or AM?
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>>146675007
How is it Shaft related if KyoAni is successful in what they are doing?

That console war baiting is quite adorable.
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>>146674733
It took me a long time to not jump at the end of that OP even if I knew it was coming
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>>146674963
Oishi is great but the movie didn't look great outside of editing and shot composition. Color Palette was ass. Bake color palette>Kizu's
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>>146674960
What does that say?
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>>146671552
C^3 and Tasogare Otome had lots of Oonuma's directorial style on showcase; it's a shame they both sucked.
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>>146675009
Moving CG costs a lot. CG BG doesn't.
You can download CG models of buildings, bridges, other shit freely in the internet.
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>>146675135
>didn't look great outside of editing and shot composition.

and animation and backgrounds and art direction and coloring etc..
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I liked Kizu. Fuck you.
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>>146675048
>Kizu flopped
>It-it doesn't matter
Yeah it does. Less and less projects will be going Shaft's way woth their record of Flopping unfloppable franchises with the most known example Mekakushitty.
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>>146674435
What a big drop off for Kizu, it's sad.
Part 2 probably cost more to animate too because of all the action scenes
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>>146675165
CG is more expensive than drawing the layouts and mage boards and outsource the rest to one of the many background studios.

I like when people acting like they even know a little bit how the industry works.
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>>146675089
PM
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>Thread is about everything except for the show in the OP
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Why there are many baits in this thread? even pretended kyoanifags?
Is it because it's SHAFT's?
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>>146670194
>https://twitter.com/senyanko/status/772088320327159808

KyoAni gonna get BTFO again. This is miles better than most of their SoL.
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>>146675318
Not even a handfuls trolls trying to bait.

Looks like a normal thread on /a/.
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>>146675318
Welcome to every 3gatsu thread since the anime was announced.
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>>146675262
I don't really care about anything outside monogatari series.
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>>146675242
The first time I liked a Monogatari book more than the anime. Kizu sucked dick anon.
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>>146675327
You hate what is popular and successful.
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>>146674960
2-gen 3 months prior to airing? holy shit
if it was 3 weeks, I'd be making fun of them though
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>Kizu was the best thing ever a month ago
>now everyone hates it
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>>146675262
You really think Aniplex is hurting? 3 movies, 3 BD release, and 1 box set for the movie. Thats enough for a profit. And consider the fact its Shaft they most likely stayed within minimum budget.
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>>146671574

It looks terrible fampai.
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>>146675066
>>146675148

That means bad.
You know, almost all major studio seek help from other studio, like key animation (原画_, cleaning up rough (2原画) key animation, in-betweening / 動画 (most common).

Wanpack is a studio that often handles such a work, and not very good at it.

Outsourcing key animation to wanpack alone is bad enough, but the most fucked up scenario is that a studio must outsourced/seek help to clean up a rough key animation (that's basically what 2nd key animator do).

It's all about schedule, with a bad schedule, sometimes key animators could only hand in their rough key animation to the studio, and other animators must clean that up. Having 2nd key animator means that the production is already hitting the deadline.
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>>146675262
Meikakushitty's audiences are chuunibyou with no income. Never surprised it flopped.
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>>146675468
>Sangatsu
>terrible looking

Sure
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>>146675455
Dat revisionist history. Everyone was underwhelmed in the first threads when the BDs came. Only people who watched it at the movies hyped it.
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>>146675394
Main Kizu's problem is splitting it to 3 parts. It sucks a lot.
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>>146675506
>things I pulled out of my ass
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>Kana Hanazawa is voicing Hinata
Two years ago I would have been mad but now I'm glad for some strange reason.
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>>146675506
Wow aniplex guy back at it again with lies. You realize Shaft has worked with them on virtually every series.
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>>146675524
>underwhelmed
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>>146675524
>Everyone was underwhelmed in the first threads when the BDs came.
No, there was a lot of cherrypicking and studio wars shit, but the majority of the threads were positive.
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>>146675508
>no money
>3rd biggest grossing late night franchise of 2015.
You know nothing. Why are you talking about shit you don't know?
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>>146672274
Tadao Iwaki is 3gatsu's animation producer, I'd say the staff in the show will be different than their usual shows. For a reference, Tadao Iwaki was ex-MADHOUSE who joined SHAFT until Madoka TV series (that's how they got MADHOUSE to work on an episode in Madoka), then left and found Liden Films (part of USP) and now coming back to SHAFT.

He's not listed in the staff, but was mentioned in the interview
http://3lion-anime.com/interview/vol02/?p=12 (search 岩城忠雄)
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>>146674960
Oh, I thought 2ch was trolling when I saw that. Hello production hell my old friend.
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>pretending 2-gen are unusual
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>>146675643
We had more Leave Shaft alone that week than threads saying it was good. To be fair the movie was good from Oishi's work but Shaft let him down big.
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Production hell is alright. It's part of the fun.
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>>146675673
It wouldn't be Shaft if we didn't have production problems.
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>>146675506
>I read ultimatemegax and now I'm expert on anime production
KYS
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>>146675771
> It wouldn't be Shaft if we didn't have production problems.
The weird thing is that most Aniplex's shows are in production hell. I don't know how they manage to do that.
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>>146675846
It's the industry norm.
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No one cares about the baiting.
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>>146675506
>Having 2nd key animator means that the production is already hitting the deadline.
Name one non-KyoAni show that doesn't use 2nd key.
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>>146675867
Except for KyoAni
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>Zaregoto release date is Oct 26
>Everyone assuming 2-gen was for Sangatsu
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>>146675930
>talking about norm
>mention the exception
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>>146675970
It doesn't matter either way.
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>>146675506
> Having 2nd key animator means that the production is already hitting the deadline.
Not really. It's a pretty normal thing these days. Even Mob Psycho 100 has 2nd KA and we know that had a bunch of episodes finished ahead of time.
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>>146672877
Yea except they don't have gradient hair color
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>>146675867
Not really. Kadokawa, TBS and Bandai shows tend to have alright schedules when Aniplex is not involved. Independent projects à la Trigger or old Madhouse tend to do well in production too.
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>>146675992
You're right, sorry.
Shouldn't bring up the extraordinary when the thread is about the ordinary.
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>>146676013
I think what he's trying to say is having 2nd key is normal, but leaving those to WANPACK is a bad idea.
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>>146676086
Why is Kumiko elastic?
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>>146676086
Ya ya we get it kyoani is great cant you circle jerk somewhere else.
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>>146676093
And he pulled it out of his ass.
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>>146676086
I'm glad they put that stretchy face in the preview, because the silly faces in S1 were eh.
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>>146675572
>>146675794
heh, I'm not illiterate like all you guys.

>>146675732
Enjoy your 5 ADs, 7 Assistant ADs, 20++ KA, and even 20 more of 2nd KA. Consider yourself to be very lucky if you got Abe or Imamura to animate 1 cut.

>>146675916
>>146676013
Although it's been a normal standard these days, it's not very normal to have your rough key animation for first episode to be done 3 months before airing. Who knows what could happen next ?
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>>146674960

Will SHAFT ever learn? Are they really being fed scraps only that they can't fucking improve their management?

I swear, if only they'd pull a Trigger and move all their talented personnel out of that shit hole.
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>>146671314
I tried to watch it expecting something coherent like Rose of Versailles but character behaviour and dialogue is completely bizarre(I watched about 10 episodes). Does it get better or I'm watching it wrong
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>>146676226
They already had an exodus when Aniplex took over.

Shaft is basically split between Silver Link and Deen atm.
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>>146676295

Looks like they need another one. Holy shit. How can they live with such poor management.
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>>146674960
https://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=creator&creatorid=1554

Like all Shaft series?
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Is there something more boring that weak baiting?
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>>146676357
You realize how small Shaft really is?
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>>146676295
> They already had an exodus when Aniplex took over.
I want Oishi out. He needs a better chance than whatever Gatari Aniplex wants him to do.
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>>146676236
IIRC Versailles was originally directed by someone else but they died during the production so Dezaki took over around the part you're stopped at.
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Let's hope there won't be 3rd key animation
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>>146676371
It's a big assistance studio.

Troll being an idiot again.
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>>146676445
I was talking about Oniisama e, sorry.
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>>146676425
You know they're bigger than Hosoda's studio and Shinkai studio combined in nukber of employees right? Only KyoAni and Sunrise are bigger in terms of late night anime studios.
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>>146672874
>11 am
This is airing on 11 pm.
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>>146676295
>Shaft is basically split between Silver Link and Deen atm.
How do you mean?
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>>146676425
They had 70 employees as of earlier this year. Probably due for another exodus soon if Aniplex keeps their foot on Shaft's neck.
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>>146676093
>leaving those to WANPACK is a bad idea
Wanpack isn't that bad when they aren't handling a whole episode by themselves.
And this is only 2nd-key for 7 cuts.
Why is this a big deal?

Ufotable outsourced 49 cuts of Tales of Zestiria's key animation, that's 1/6 of episode 5 to Wanpack and it still looks OK.
http://wanpack.main.jp/archives/4177
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>>146676574
That I'm a retarded troll and samefag right now.
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energy!
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>>146676592
Look at what type moon did to the quality of SL anime. If anything Fate/Extra is probably going to look better than Nisemonogatari or Tsuki.

A lot of people just fear monger.
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>>146676527
And the reason why you compare movie-only studios to shaft is?
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So that Anipley guy still waste his lifetime with baiting in Shaft threads?

Remember when /a/ was supposed to get new janitors to improve the post quality? Good times.
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>>146675468
No need to announce your shit taste.
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>>146676793
TFW he becomes the new janitor.
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>>146676705
Did you watch Drei? That honestly is competing for the worst looking anime this season.
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>>146676826
At this point idk if you are being legit or trolling.
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>>146676779
Because /a/ doesn't know studios outside of KyoAni and Shaft. I thought I would give more known examples.
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>>146676886
> At this point idk if you are being legit or trolling.
I ask the same of you. Compare Drei tobthe original Prillya and say that this looks good. Zwei Herz looked better than this too.
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The OST is great. Can't wait to hear it when the shows airs.
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>>146676826
I think the production hell award this season goes to Orange (just google it), or Regalia which gets delayed but then again Actas has that problem since GuP days.
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>>146676918
>Studio Chizu
2 movies within a 3 year time span.

>CoMix Wave Films
A movie almost every 3 years and shorts.

How does that compare to a studio that produces late night shows at a constant rate?
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>>146676593
Hey, as much as I despise Ufotable's works and their unlimited filters, at least I still admitted that they have good animators like Go Kimura, and Masayuki Kunihiro who could actually work on that (and that's for episode 5 actually).

But not with Shaft, their best animators have to work on Kizu (Imamura and Abe). And if they could choose what would they worked on, I bet they prefer to work with Hirofumi Suzuki on Zaregoto.
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>>146677233
Does this even need shafts best animators anyways?
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From the interview, they knew they cannot fucked up with this project.
Maybe it might not be great, but passable.
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Never tought I would see an Shaft anime where the characters actually MOVE
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>>146677233
You sure trying very hard here.
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>>146677308
Well, they don't really have many good animators other than who I mentioned before. But if I could choose animator outside of Shaft to work in these series, it will be Tetsuya Takeuchi and Ryo Araki.
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>>146677404
You need to push the > button of your media player.
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>>146677308
>does a SoL need good animators
Yes. It's arguably harder ti animate because everyone knows how to draw action sequences but good SoL cuts can be really hard to draw.
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>>146677500
*in this series.

>>146677452
Thanks
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>>146677452
He is going all out again.
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Although this isnt Koufuku level I am still pleased.
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>>146677509
>media player

Why should I use media player to watch Shaft anime when I can just use Power Point?
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Good stuff.

Can't wait to see the next special in two weeks.
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>>146677452
>>146677551
Dedicating your life to shitpost about an animation studio for Chinese cartoons.

I bet his mother is proud.
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>>146677542
Nobody expects a drama show like this to be well-animated though.
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Looks as bad as the zaregoto pv
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>>146677669
Good, that the scenes were nicely animated.
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>>146677713
Zaregoto looked way worse
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>>146677781
looked fine. it was just cut in a way to display the character traits. people are just upset over akio.
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>>146670194
Already picked up for Shinbo, but how is the source material?
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>>146677669
Nobody expects good animation from any studio. Doesn't mean every anime should look like shit.
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>Umino anime

I cant wait
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>>146677823
As they should. Nothing should be treated that way.
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>>146677970
It honestly looked like Take's design. People should be more nervous about Yase than how it looks. Because the story is great.
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>http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4rqgt7

good stuff
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>>146678075
>It honestly looked like Take's design.
Must be tough using a computer when you're blind.
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>>146678156
Trust me brother you will enjoy it. Inshallah
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>>146675294
Wow, you really believe that?
CG isn't always equals expensive.
Look at those crappy renders, looks like they just used a crappy mental ray.
Source: me. I do 3D shit for a living.

I like when people acting like they even know a little bit how the industry works.
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>>146676918

It's really fucking sad. Meanwhile Comix Wave is the talk of the town in Japan and it's latest movie just passed 2.7 billion yen gross in Japan (We're already at the point where we can start talking potential best grossing Japanese film of the year maybe since it's past Godzilla's haul after it's first week) and /a/ is still just stuck in it's little whole circle jerking and picking fights over 2 late night anime studios.

How did it get this fucking bad here?
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>>146678547
>he says he does CG shit for a living
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>>146677001

Qualidea Code is pretty bad too. It's always interesting to see just how little of a fuck A-1 will give when it thinks it has the hot license or marketing hook up to compensate.
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Looks extremely meh to be honest. Very forgettable.
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>>146678553
Because we are on a thread dedicate to a Shaft anime?
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>>146678553
But it was always bad here. Gainax vs Kyoani, Shaft vs Kyoani, Trigger vs Kyoani, JC vs Kyoani. No one talks about individual talent on /a/.
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>>146678619
>no new IP
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Looks extremely good to be honest. Very memorable.
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Looks extremely terrible to be honest. I've already forgotten.
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I remember picking the manga some time ago, the older sister always game a bad vibe, glad it didn't go that way
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>>146670194
I came.
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>hibikeks and sangatsutards trying to force their mediocrity as AOTS next season

Fun times ahead when both end up flopping
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>>146679094
You watch anime for it to sell good? Modern day /a/ is cancer.
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>>146670194

Looks like that Shigatsu anime. Is the girl going to die as well?
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>>146679142
Sure
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>>146679111
the fact that people here care about how much an anime sells baffles me
People here don't even buy BDs
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>>146678553
Why don't you make a thread then?
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>>146679367
Speak for yourself. I bought ever single Yamada BD.
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>>146679455
pics or gtfo
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>>146679476
(You)(You)(You)(You)
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>>146679729
that is tamako market
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>Sangatsu no Lion will do well because it's airing on NHK, a station notorious for being low budget as fuck and having shit ratings across the board with the exception of their nightly news program. It will also air at 11pm, one of the ahitty slots past primetime.

I don't get this logic of asuming it will be an automatic success just because it airs on a fucking public station.
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>>146679812
>I pull out things out of my ass
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>>146679812
The source material is popular.
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>>146679893
Kagerou Project Is still one of the most popular media franchises. Look how well it did under Shaft.
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>>146679876
Like?
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>>146679994
The anime is shit but it still sold undeservedly well.
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>>146680124
Sounds like every Aniplex show
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>>146679994
You realize that Jin fucked up his own anime right. Shinbo had no idea wtf the story was so he told Jin to script it
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>>146670194
Looks normal like Arakawa under the bridge. So okay, i guess.
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>>146680124
Dont let the okish sales misguide you. It sold 'well' because the bd prices were cheap as fuck and came bundled with the songs.
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>>146679994
Kakerou Daze?
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>>146680124
>4000 BDs
>well
Under Sunrise or Deen it would've sold at least 25k. Shaft shat on Mekaku.
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>>146679094
>Fun times ahead when both end up flopping
Sangatsu is airing on NHK so every sales thread Shaftfags will just spam that sales dont matter
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>>146670194
>A bit low budgeted but it doesnt really show.
If you can tell that from previews, it does show.

Still, this is finally a different Shaft show that doesn't try to copy Monogatari's style so I might actually give it a try, not that I have high hopes.
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>>146680124
>>146680349
the BD also costed 3k yen each so its basically half the actually disc amount compared to usual, not to mention they had to cram it with so many extras just to cover it up
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>>146679812
>It will also air at 11pm, one of the ahitty slots past primetime
After what happened with Tiger & Bunny and Jojo I wouldn't assume a show would sell like shit because of its timeslot.
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>¥279.0
>bad

Its almost as if people ignore basic economics for the sake of numbers.
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>>146680462
And Hibike is endorsed by Yamaha so sales matter even less there but hey Salesfags are going to Salesfag.
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>>146680614
Worst part about Salesfag is that they just assume how much things coasts like budget and ect.
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>>146680695
costs*
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>>146680462
Why should they? Shaft is just a contractor. Flop or success it won't matter to them at all, they're not making or losing any extra money from this.
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>>146680813
Shh logic doesnt work here. Just baits.
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>>146680813
Flops do matter though. If a studio has a big flop record they get shitty deals or stop getting projects altogether. Sunrise recently went back to originals because they flopped so hard on anything else. Madhouse is getting the short end of the stick because they can't sell shows for shit. Shaft will get ignored if they continue their flop record.
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>>146680813
by that logic 90% of all anime sales dont matter since the only non-contracted people are Kyoani, Sunrise and Toei yet we still have studio wars every season
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>>146681418
Sales really dont matter. Most of the time every anime breaks even due to rereleases, rebroadcasting, merchs, ect. People just look at sales and thing the anime industry is in peril. Consider the fact we get more anime per season every year, it should indicate there is more then just disc.
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>>146681364
Flops matter from a studio by studio basis. Something that flops for Aniplex wont hurt as much as a smaller production studio. Kyoani has had sub-par sales and made more of a profit than Shaft did with the Gatari series.

People need to stop looking at one factor and think thats the end all be all.
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>>146681364
A few flops won't tarnish SHAFT's reputation, specially after making 2 of the most successful late night franchises of the century. The name alone warranties at least some sales. They also have industry veterans with lots of connections working with them.

The fact that Nintendo was OK with them doing the PV for Palutena, which was fucking garbage by the way, tells you enough.

Same applies to other big studios, only second and third rate studios that haven't made anything special like TYO or Bee Train can get their shit pushed and their name destroyed in if they make consecutive flops
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>>146681616
Aniplex really cares about Anisales and music sales though. They don't get revenue from anywhere else according to their producers so they kinda need those multimedia sales because they don't get a cut from the increase source material sales get after an anime airs.
>>146681875
That argument doesn't hold up when you can see that their glory days are past them. Sunrise was on the brink of being broke despite selling Gundam by the bucket loads a decade prior. Same can be said for Madhouse who was nearly bankrupt despite selling a fuckton of DVDs 5 years prior. Shaft hasn't had a good performer sales wise other than Madoka since Gatari started and they worked on a shit ton of projects.
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>>146682151
Look at SL. They sell virtually nothing and their biggest hits don't even crack the 10k mark. They are doing more well than most studios out there. You need to stop comparing 1 studios business model to another.
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That poor studio wars baiting.

>>146682151
>Shaft hasn't had a good performer sales wise other than Madoka since Gatari started and they worked on a shit ton of projects.

This is wrong.
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>3lion
>Zaregoto
>Fate

You can really see how Shaft doesn't get anything good anymore!
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>>146682552
Nisekoi did fine. And the boost is what's most important for WSJ.
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>>146670194
this looks good!
Was expecting it to be too Shinbou-ified
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1>>146681875
>Bee Train
>third rate studio
Fuck you, nigger, they gave us Hack Sign, one of the most beautiful anime ever.
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>>146671490
>wanting Shin "I wish I was Shinbo" Oonuma back
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>>146675310
So 11AM isn't prime time
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>>146683100
Neither is 11pm, but at least it's a tad better than 11am
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>>146670194
>actually looked good
obvsiously, shaft is best
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>>146683251
I watched every shaft anime even pre shinbou that subbed. I don't hate them what so ever, in fact the opposite. But I am glad they are heading in this direction.
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>>146670194
Looks good but Hanakana ruined it.
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>>146683251
How is that looking good?
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>>146675455
no worries, lad. Once Kizu 2 BD drops everyone will love it again.
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>march comes like a lion
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>>146684338
Shaftfags.
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>>146670194
AOTY
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>>146684338
How is it not?
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The source material is strong. If you don't like Drama then this isn't your thing. The pace might be a bit slow in the middle.
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AOTS
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>>146673947
NHK is funded by taxpayers. They don't have money for high production shows.
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Fuck, Momo looks and sounds so cute.
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>>146679994
the songs were ok, and some of them were actually good, but the animation and story was a fucking joke, shaft literally killed the kageru days franchise
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>>146686315
Shaftshitters will defend this and call it a stylistic choice.
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>>146686315
What a joke, hope 3gatsu won't have fuckups like this
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>>146684974
I expect this in every thread from now on.
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>>146672710
But Rei wants to fuck Hina's flat, childish body.
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>>146678553

Yeah we get it.

Shinkai got the mainstream break.

KyoAni got the approval of MEXT.

SHAFT becomes NHK slave.

All is right in the world.
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>>146686315
>Killed the franchise
>Second season and movie on the way

You gotta atleast be factual when baiting.
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>>146675586
She sounded pretty good and appropriate for Hina in the PV; at least she isn't doing her usual frog voice.
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>>146687117
You should know 2013 was better for the franchise than 2015 and 2014. It being big is despite what Shaft did not because of Shaft.
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>>146687274
a movie and second season

but 2013 is better, anon please
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>>146687337
Yes. Check the numbers on ANN they are readily available. They're doing the movie because they're afraid of the project spiraling into irrelevance because of the Shaft anime.
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>HanaKana
>dropped
>Ai-chan
>picked up
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>>146687819
>Ai-chan
>picked up
>HanaKana
>dropped
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>>146676434
no he needs to stay so he direct mekakucity's second season so it'll be good this time

;-;
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>>146687391
Yup because thats how the industry works.
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>>146671653
>[email protected] had helped Shinkai's YOUR NAME.
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>>146686315
You'd think Aniplex would've learned by then that Shaft can't handle too many shows at once
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>>146688735
Currently they aren't doing too many shows. Kizu is pretty much done. Oishi did all the hard work a while ago considering that he did the story boarding for all 3 movies by himself. Besides the Gatari series is pretty much its own branch at shaft anyways.

All shaft has is a monthly ova for 8 months and a 2 cour show. Who knows how far into 2017 fate will be released. And Owari/Zoku is just 1 cour away from being over.

Because of Gatari easing up they should be getting far more work.
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>>146688223
That's exactly how they work.
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>>146688914
kagerou project's still popular in japan though, an new LN just came out and it was no.1 in sales, same goes for the last one too, and like other anons said the anime sold decently enough
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>>146689116
>4K
>well enough
That's like saying KanColle selling 20k was decent. No it wasn't for either project and both are get continuations.
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>>146689195
Where the fuck are you getting this 4k figure. The average sales is 7,698.
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>>146686315
Didn't they fix that scene for the BD release?
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>>146689288
Yup but new shaft haters have no idea about Shaft fixes. Most of them never watched Bakemonogatari or Hidamari while it was airing. Only parroting memes.
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>>146689342
never forget bakemonogatari's literal powerpoint episode
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>>146689272
Yeah if you include DVDs but who counts DVDs anymore for no Fujo anime sales?
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>>146689677
why would you not count them
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>>146689342
They had their act together after Hidamari S1.

It was a gimmick by SZS S1.
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>Shinbo directing again

Didn't Shinbo directed almost everything that come out of Shaft?
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>>146691881
She's the chief director, which basically boils down to making sure every single episode of any anime they make has at least a headtilt and a few face close ups
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>>146691881
No. How would that be possible?
He hasn't directed anything in close to a decade.
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>>146691967
She?
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>>146670194
Can't wait for more SHAFT power point trash.
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>>146670194
>more anime trash after neussu, fucking great
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>>146692188
I just started reading the manga, but I think this story lends itself to powerpoint
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>>146671032
Really?
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>>146671653
How to easily detect a newfag spouting nonsense.
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>>146691881
No, he's mostly been a producer/supervisor for Shaft shows. He just lends his name because he thinks a good anime that doesn't sell is pointless. Sangatsu will be the first thing he's directed in years.
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>>146695165
22 episodes.
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>>146674395
It is.
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>>146674467
Zaregoto looks like trash.
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Who will win fall?
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>>146696510
Certainly not Shaft. This Lion to March shit looks generic as fuck.
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>>146696510
Natsume
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>>146696510
Contenders:
Hibike
3gatsu
Yuri on Ice
Flip Flappers
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>>146696793
You forgot Classicaloid.
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Why are shaftfags are so cancerous? We get it you fap to Shaft you fucking weeaboos. I just want a comfy 3gatsu thread but my god this isnt even funny anymore. Fucking secondaries
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>>146697325
(You)
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>>146697325
Kill yourself.
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>>146697041
Honestly looks like its targeted towards children.
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>>146700271
Nothing wrong with that. The best kinds of shows are those that both adults and children can enjoy.
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>>146671498
Pre-gatari SHAFT is just as MUH STYLE as post-gatari SHAFT. It's just that they use fucking Watanabe Akio designs for pretty much every fucking show now so everyone thinks there's some sort of gatari style.
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>>146671858
Much better. H&C is a steaming pile of shit next to 3gatsu.
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>>146674907
It helped me to finish my thesis and college.
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>>146701787
>It's just that they use fucking Watanabe Akio designs for pretty much every fucking show now
Three shows at Shaft is every show now?
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>>146703900
To be fair Monogatari is nearing 100 episodes.
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>SANGATSU NO LION
>Hasn't had a new chapter since July

Damn, son.
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>>146704126
Latest chapter came out about 3 weeks ago.
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>>146704296
Uh, where? Apparently the next volume is Sep 29th.
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>>146704396
Young Animal.
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>>146704094
And?
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>hand-drawn shogi
Haters BTFO
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>>146671498
I like how Shaft pays respect to source.
Something that Kyoani need to learn.
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>>146688517
They did?
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Holy shit, It actually looks fine. I just hope they won't force their memetilts
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>>146703900
Zaregoto is also pretty close to the novel designs.
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>>146700271
It's staffed by the director and the writer from Osomatsu-san so who knows, it could be the sleeper hit of the season.
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>>146706574
No need to provoke Kyoanifags while talking about your favorite studio. Don't fall down to their level.
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>>146695260
The arguments!
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Looks like shit, as expected of Shaft.
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>>146709357
Osomatsu was a hit thanks to the fujos latching onto it, not for the meme directing and writing.
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Do you have to know shogi to enjoy this?
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>>146706574
You accidentally switched the names around.
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Looks pretty good. Kuno Misaki is as awkward as ever.
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>>146713653
Not at all. The shogi world is more of a backdrop for the characters and their human drama. During the matches, the focus is on the dialogue between the players rather than the moves they make. The mangaka also includes a lot of explanation for beginners about how shogi works.
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