Wow this actually looked good. Shaft didnt go for the 3d cg background and went for a 2d looking thing. A bit low budgeted but it doesnt really show.
Cam rip: https://twitter.com/senyanko/status/772088320327159808
I think this pretty much confirms that shinbo is actually doing the direction. None of the other directors at shaft have similar flare to Dezaki. Which Shinbo shows a ton of visual cues from the PV alone.
If it isnt him I would be suprised.
>Anywhere close to Dezaki's attention to detail
It still has something Shaft to it, but it looks more like something like something by a Shaft dude being episode director on a show made by brain's base for example.
The style is there but it's not all up its own ass as it is usually known to be.
You really should. I recommend Oniisama e.
>Shinbo directing again
>Oishi back from his half a decade long slumber in the freezer
Can Shinbo drag his fucboi right hand man fucking around in SL back again?
Hell maybe they could do another a new PPD for shits and giggles.
No they didnt. Look at Zaregoto. And I'm guessing Fate will be even more muh style.
Its just that this source requires them to be more tame. This is the closest we will ever get to pre gatari era shaft. Rejoice now because theres only 22 weeks of this.
Keep that SL hack. All he does it make lazy SoL or light novel adaptions now.
Honestly lost all his style after leaving shaft. I miss Natsu no Arashi and Ef level of direction.
>looks LITERALLY nothing like H&C when their art style is almost identical
OP's pic looks like durarara
Shaft's Digital Photography department is top notch.
Even Kizumonogatari with his high amount of CG didn't use much post-effects. It's interesting that Shaft is aware that they are doing animations and not doing some pseudo filming.
I mean if you enlarge the image sure, but from a thumbnail I literally thought it was drr.
That is impossible to mistake with any scene from H&C, they almost look like opposites with the color pallet so far
They were like 10 years ahead of everyone else. They basically killed their main business field (cel painting) and invested everything in their digital department.
Odds are the best freelancers that Shaft know will be working on Kizu too, which is what already happened with the previous two Kizu movies. It's their prestige project after all.
Designs look identical to the manga.
Other studios would use CG for a scene like this but SHAFT didn't.
It looks really good but there's definitely going to be some QUALITY moments. The part of the video where Rei walks to the sister's house was pretty jarring looking compared to the rest of the animated scenes shown.
Yes, definitely looking forward to hearing more music for the series.
When KyoAni used 3d models in Hibike no one noticed and thought that every instrument was hand drawn. That's how much low key their CG is. The post fx they apply is just a directional preference of Yamada and Ishihara.
Yeah, no. There are CG instruments but those are only used 1) as animator reference, 2) in non-performance group shots that usually lasted several seconds tops.
>No colours and text flashing in your face every 3 seconds
>Making shit up. Keep telling yourself that
It's at 350 million yen after two weeks or only a little above what the first movie made in it's first weekend. Pretty bad performance.
Yeah, Ufo could do well as a day time show.
Yeah but looking at the credits you'll see their only veterans working on it and you'll see that even the biggest name freelancers were working on Kizu 1. Shinkai used them all up on kimi no wa so that Kizu 2 didn't have anyone big working on it.
There are no big projects remaining this year. KyoAni's movie would most likely hit 500m. Mappa's movie isn't a big hitter either. Aniplex's movie doesn't look decent enough and was already postponed so the hype died.
Hey, would you look at that. Shinbo tamed his usual directing style to fit the tone of the show like everyone with half a brain thought would happen. Now if only they took the same care with Zaregoto as they did with this.
>Kizu 2 didn't have anyone big working on it
A good amount of notable animators if you ask me.
>Plus 800 from Kizu 1.
Yeah I'm sure Aniplex is happy about giving them another budget and then counting the monetary gains from the 1st movie. Doesn't work like that when it's a subcontracting movie.
Compare it to Shinkai's movie, Hosoda's last 2 movies or Kizu 1 even. Kizu 2 didn't get enough attention in the making and flopped at the box office. Hope Aniplex learns from that for the HF movies.
It was mixed, but I really liked the backgrounds in this scene.
Another budget? You realize its only 1 hour long per movie. That is like owari episode 1 special with 15 extra minutes. Consider the fact that most of the background were either CG or real life they didnt exhaust as much money as you think they did.
Shaft is known as the budget saving studio. Which is why aniplex loves them.
Reminder that this anime is WANPACK-ED from the start.
It took me a long time to not jump at the end of that OP even if I knew it was coming
>It-it doesn't matter
Yeah it does. Less and less projects will be going Shaft's way woth their record of Flopping unfloppable franchises with the most known example Mekakushitty.
CG is more expensive than drawing the layouts and mage boards and outsource the rest to one of the many background studios.
I like when people acting like they even know a little bit how the industry works.
>Thread is about everything except for the show in the OP
I don't really care about anything outside monogatari series.
You really think Aniplex is hurting? 3 movies, 3 BD release, and 1 box set for the movie. Thats enough for a profit. And consider the fact its Shaft they most likely stayed within minimum budget.
That means bad.
You know, almost all major studio seek help from other studio, like key animation (原画_, cleaning up rough (２原画) key animation, in-betweening / 動画 (most common).
Wanpack is a studio that often handles such a work, and not very good at it.
Outsourcing key animation to wanpack alone is bad enough, but the most fucked up scenario is that a studio must outsourced/seek help to clean up a rough key animation (that's basically what 2nd key animator do).
It's all about schedule, with a bad schedule, sometimes key animators could only hand in their rough key animation to the studio, and other animators must clean that up. Having 2nd key animator means that the production is already hitting the deadline.
Tadao Iwaki is 3gatsu's animation producer, I'd say the staff in the show will be different than their usual shows. For a reference, Tadao Iwaki was ex-MADHOUSE who joined SHAFT until Madoka TV series (that's how they got MADHOUSE to work on an episode in Madoka), then left and found Liden Films (part of USP) and now coming back to SHAFT.
He's not listed in the staff, but was mentioned in the interview
http://3lion-anime.com/interview/vol02/?p=12 (search 岩城忠雄)
> Having 2nd key animator means that the production is already hitting the deadline.
Not really. It's a pretty normal thing these days. Even Mob Psycho 100 has 2nd KA and we know that had a bunch of episodes finished ahead of time.
Not really. Kadokawa, TBS and Bandai shows tend to have alright schedules when Aniplex is not involved. Independent projects à la Trigger or old Madhouse tend to do well in production too.
You're right, sorry.
Shouldn't bring up the extraordinary when the thread is about the ordinary.
heh, I'm not illiterate like all you guys.
Enjoy your 5 ADs, 7 Assistant ADs, 20++ KA, and even 20 more of 2nd KA. Consider yourself to be very lucky if you got Abe or Imamura to animate 1 cut.
Although it's been a normal standard these days, it's not very normal to have your rough key animation for first episode to be done 3 months before airing. Who knows what could happen next ?
Will SHAFT ever learn? Are they really being fed scraps only that they can't fucking improve their management?
I swear, if only they'd pull a Trigger and move all their talented personnel out of that shit hole.
I tried to watch it expecting something coherent like Rose of Versailles but character behaviour and dialogue is completely bizarre(I watched about 10 episodes). Does it get better or I'm watching it wrong
You know they're bigger than Hosoda's studio and Shinkai studio combined in nukber of employees right? Only KyoAni and Sunrise are bigger in terms of late night anime studios.
>leaving those to WANPACK is a bad idea
Wanpack isn't that bad when they aren't handling a whole episode by themselves.
And this is only 2nd-key for 7 cuts.
Why is this a big deal?
Ufotable outsourced 49 cuts of Tales of Zestiria's key animation, that's 1/6 of episode 5 to Wanpack and it still looks OK.
> At this point idk if you are being legit or trolling.
I ask the same of you. Compare Drei tobthe original Prillya and say that this looks good. Zwei Herz looked better than this too.
2 movies within a 3 year time span.
>CoMix Wave Films
A movie almost every 3 years and shorts.
How does that compare to a studio that produces late night shows at a constant rate?
Hey, as much as I despise Ufotable's works and their unlimited filters, at least I still admitted that they have good animators like Go Kimura, and Masayuki Kunihiro who could actually work on that (and that's for episode 5 actually).
But not with Shaft, their best animators have to work on Kizu (Imamura and Abe). And if they could choose what would they worked on, I bet they prefer to work with Hirofumi Suzuki on Zaregoto.
Well, they don't really have many good animators other than who I mentioned before. But if I could choose animator outside of Shaft to work in these series, it will be Tetsuya Takeuchi and Ryo Araki.
Wow, you really believe that?
CG isn't always equals expensive.
Look at those crappy renders, looks like they just used a crappy mental ray.
Source: me. I do 3D shit for a living.
I like when people acting like they even know a little bit how the industry works.
It's really fucking sad. Meanwhile Comix Wave is the talk of the town in Japan and it's latest movie just passed 2.7 billion yen gross in Japan (We're already at the point where we can start talking potential best grossing Japanese film of the year maybe since it's past Godzilla's haul after it's first week) and /a/ is still just stuck in it's little whole circle jerking and picking fights over 2 late night anime studios.
How did it get this fucking bad here?
Qualidea Code is pretty bad too. It's always interesting to see just how little of a fuck A-1 will give when it thinks it has the hot license or marketing hook up to compensate.
>Sangatsu no Lion will do well because it's airing on NHK, a station notorious for being low budget as fuck and having shit ratings across the board with the exception of their nightly news program. It will also air at 11pm, one of the ahitty slots past primetime.
I don't get this logic of asuming it will be an automatic success just because it airs on a fucking public station.
>A bit low budgeted but it doesnt really show.
If you can tell that from previews, it does show.
Still, this is finally a different Shaft show that doesn't try to copy Monogatari's style so I might actually give it a try, not that I have high hopes.
the BD also costed 3k yen each so its basically half the actually disc amount compared to usual, not to mention they had to cram it with so many extras just to cover it up
>It will also air at 11pm, one of the ahitty slots past primetime
After what happened with Tiger & Bunny and Jojo I wouldn't assume a show would sell like shit because of its timeslot.
Flops do matter though. If a studio has a big flop record they get shitty deals or stop getting projects altogether. Sunrise recently went back to originals because they flopped so hard on anything else. Madhouse is getting the short end of the stick because they can't sell shows for shit. Shaft will get ignored if they continue their flop record.
Sales really dont matter. Most of the time every anime breaks even due to rereleases, rebroadcasting, merchs, ect. People just look at sales and thing the anime industry is in peril. Consider the fact we get more anime per season every year, it should indicate there is more then just disc.
Flops matter from a studio by studio basis. Something that flops for Aniplex wont hurt as much as a smaller production studio. Kyoani has had sub-par sales and made more of a profit than Shaft did with the Gatari series.
People need to stop looking at one factor and think thats the end all be all.
A few flops won't tarnish SHAFT's reputation, specially after making 2 of the most successful late night franchises of the century. The name alone warranties at least some sales. They also have industry veterans with lots of connections working with them.
The fact that Nintendo was OK with them doing the PV for Palutena, which was fucking garbage by the way, tells you enough.
Same applies to other big studios, only second and third rate studios that haven't made anything special like TYO or Bee Train can get their shit pushed and their name destroyed in if they make consecutive flops
Aniplex really cares about Anisales and music sales though. They don't get revenue from anywhere else according to their producers so they kinda need those multimedia sales because they don't get a cut from the increase source material sales get after an anime airs.
That argument doesn't hold up when you can see that their glory days are past them. Sunrise was on the brink of being broke despite selling Gundam by the bucket loads a decade prior. Same can be said for Madhouse who was nearly bankrupt despite selling a fuckton of DVDs 5 years prior. Shaft hasn't had a good performer sales wise other than Madoka since Gatari started and they worked on a shit ton of projects.
Look at SL. They sell virtually nothing and their biggest hits don't even crack the 10k mark. They are doing more well than most studios out there. You need to stop comparing 1 studios business model to another.
Neither is 11pm, but at least it's a tad better than 11am
the songs were ok, and some of them were actually good, but the animation and story was a fucking joke, shaft literally killed the kageru days franchise
>[email protected] had helped Shinkai's YOUR NAME.
Currently they aren't doing too many shows. Kizu is pretty much done. Oishi did all the hard work a while ago considering that he did the story boarding for all 3 movies by himself. Besides the Gatari series is pretty much its own branch at shaft anyways.
All shaft has is a monthly ova for 8 months and a 2 cour show. Who knows how far into 2017 fate will be released. And Owari/Zoku is just 1 cour away from being over.
Because of Gatari easing up they should be getting far more work.
kagerou project's still popular in japan though, an new LN just came out and it was no.1 in sales, same goes for the last one too, and like other anons said the anime sold decently enough
They had their act together after Hidamari S1.
It was a gimmick by SZS S1.
>more anime trash after neussu, fucking great
No, he's mostly been a producer/supervisor for Shaft shows. He just lends his name because he thinks a good anime that doesn't sell is pointless. Sangatsu will be the first thing he's directed in years.
Pre-gatari SHAFT is just as MUH STYLE as post-gatari SHAFT. It's just that they use fucking Watanabe Akio designs for pretty much every fucking show now so everyone thinks there's some sort of gatari style.
Zaregoto is also pretty close to the novel designs.
Not at all. The shogi world is more of a backdrop for the characters and their human drama. During the matches, the focus is on the dialogue between the players rather than the moves they make. The mangaka also includes a lot of explanation for beginners about how shogi works.