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>>146643545
No.

>>146643545
Harribel wasn't in the top three, though.

>>146643545
Aizen was such a dick.

>>146644264
It's more or less his defining character trait.

>>146643545
This scene just reminds me how awful the writing in Bleach is. Aizen kills his only remaining soldier and then proceeds to solo all the captains except Yamamoto, who he disables with the help of Wonderweiss. What was the point of the espada, then? What did they even accomplish? Even if he hadn't trapped the four other captains in hueco mundo, I don't think they would have made much of a difference in the face of kyoka suigetsu. He could have had them all kill each other for fuck's sake. The espada were useless and Aizen just wasted his time depending on them when he could have just killed everyone and made the key before Ichigo and his dad could show up to stop him.

>>146644138
Yammy was just an embarrassment

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>>146644752
>What was the point of the espada, then? What did they even accomplish?

Follow a nonsensical shonen pace where everyone needs their own individual disconnected battle for plot resolution

It's garbage.

>>146643545

>Ulquiorra
He was probably stronger than Barragan, on par with Starrk possibly. Remember: only he had a second release

>Starrk
He was holding back the entire time. It's impossible to say how powerful he really was, his spiritual powerful was said to be so immense that everything around him dies.
>Barragan
His power was menacing, he only lost due to bullshit weakness in his power. Classic case of Kubo making a character too powerful to lose and resorting to asspull to defeat him.
>Hallibel
She was just weakish, and toshiro used a powerful move to weaken her and she tanked it.

>>146644752
see >>146644264

Aizen uses others for his own personal gain, even if the advantage is only minor. Having the Shinigami focus on fighting fodder Arrancar bought him time to create Wonderweiss and perfect his Hougyoku; without which he'd never have reached his transcendence.

>>146645074
>Classic case of Kubo making a character too powerful to lose and resorting to asspull to defeat him.

Classic case of anon using 'asspull' incorrectly.

>>146643545
Well, Ulquiorra was the only Espada who reached Segunda Etapa.

I think it was implied that Ulquiorra really was the strongest Espada all along since he kept Segunda Etapa a secret from Aizen.

Also, Starrk and Barragan lost because while they had strength, they lacked battle experience, and Kyouraku and Hachigen had powers that countered there abilities.

As for Harribel, she's strong but Aizen is a fucking monster.

>>146644752
That's why he made that entire speech about being disappointed in them. He expected better and they didn't deliver. Aizen made the Espada to be his servants so he wouldn't have to get his hands dirty, then they all failed and he ended up having to get his hands dirty. Halibel was nothing but baggage at that point. The Espada stronger than her had already lost, so what point would there be in keeping her around?

>>146645023
Man Tousen was a bitch ass. Cool as fuck mask for a blind Vaizard though.

>>146643545
Wait, whatever happened to Harribel at the end anyways? after she was captured?

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>>146645203
his plotline was actually pretty good but Kubo fucked up and made the entire fight unimportant and underwhelming.

Also why the fuck did Aizen let Tousen tag around. Considering how strong he was alone. But I guess that goes for the rest of the espada.

>>146644752
Aizen is smug as fuck and new he could easily beat the captains alone, but he thought that that was boring so he formed his army with the Espada.

He was disappointed with the Espada though and said "Fuck it, I'll do it myself."

And Yamamoto was the only one strong enough to beat him, so he needed to find a way to nullify his Zanpakuto.

He was creating Hollows that could nullify the powers of Zanpakuto since he created Metastacia, which led to Kaien Shiba's death.

He specifically tailored Wonderweiss to nullify Ryujin Jakka.

How is this hard for you to fucking understand you fucking dipshit speedreader?

>>146645325
A. Rescued by Nel and company after their battle with Askin

B. Dead and forgotten

It's multiple choice.

>>146645448
>Also why the fuck did Aizen let Tousen tag around.

Tousen being blind = natural immunity to Kyouka Suigetsu, although Aizen manipulated so perfectly that it barely mattered.

>>146645145
>Well, Ulquiorra was the only Espada who reached Segunda Etapa.

That has nothing to do with his second resurrection. He wasn't even using the first one against Bankai Ichigo. Fuck how more obvious can I be in the OP. Espadas were raping captain level characters without even trying.

Even Zaraki was getting raped with his eyepatch off. He had to use both hands. That's the guy who defeated tousen without even taking the eyepatch off before.

>Starrk and Barragan lost because while they had strength, they lacked battle experience
Arrancars don't need to learn how to fight it's already deeply engraved within them. Starrks was displaying a deep understanding of Shunsui's moves.

>>146645617
>Fuck how more obvious can I be in the OP

Don't worry, you're still being obnoxious.

>>146645448
Because Tousen was blind and thus unaffected by Kyouka Suigetsu, which made him a potential threat. So he coaxed Tousen to his side so that he wouldn't be a threat and found the opportune moment to get rid of him.

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>mfw Harribel jobbed to iceshota, who wasn't even fighting that seriously because he was scared of hurting his allies with Tenso Jurin.
>mfw she would've died if it wasn't for Wonderweiss' screech

>>146644956
Even disregarding Yammy, Harribel still gets knocked down a spot in the powerlevel ranking thanks to Ulquiorra's super secret second form.

>>146645555
>>146645699
>Tousen being blind = natural immunity to Kyouka Suigetsu

Or maybe you know he could have just killed him like everybody else before.

>>146645746
>in the powerlevel ranking thanks to Ulquiorra's super secret second form.

That he didn't even need to use. So that hardly counts.

>>146645023
those are some really long fucking legs

>>146645734
>Harribel jobbed to iceshota

Technically this had nothing to do with Harribel's Reiatsu and everything to do with her water abilities being a poor match-up for Toshiro's Daiguren Hyourinmaru.

On the other hand, Wonderweiss is truly underrated. His Reiatsu was on par with the Espada and likely rivaled Yamamoto's; how else would he be able to contain the power of Ryuujin Jakka?

>>146645759
And make him a suspect for murder in Soul Society and fuck up years worth of plans? No.

How fucking stupid are you? It's not that hard to figure out Aizen's rationale.

>>146645145
Yammy also had a secundo etapa

>>146645759
see >>146645104

>Aizen uses others for his own personal gain

He let Tousen do all of his dirty work while focusing on his experiments, just like he used Hinamori to cause infighting within the Shinigami ranks. He's a natural sociopath and knows exactly how to use others to the point they have nothing left to offer them.

>>146646022
No, that was just a resureccion.

>>146645976
>And make him a suspect for murder in Soul Society and fuck up years worth of plans?

Oh you mean like the hundreds of shinegami he was hollowfying, Soul sucking, murdering in company of dozens of accomplice and the 4 captains and vice captains he got rid off without even trying?

Or the 3rd seat he had Ichimaru almost publicly murder?

Yeah you're dumb.

>>146646070
Then why did he evolve twice?

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>>146643545
Starrk was going to make Shunsui use bankai with a half assed technique

>>146646031
That's the only good explanation but it's also a dumb explanation.

Kubo just can't not ruin a good plot to save his life.

Maybe he just wanted them to die. Like, halfway through the Hueco Mundo arc when all the other Espada and their Fraccion were getting slaughtered, he realized that they were actually not that strong and wanted to get rid of them.

Honestly, Bleach falls apart right around this part.

There is a single chapter that has both "The Heart" and "Who said the Espada are numbered 1-10". It's probably the worst chapter of Bleach up to that point in the manga.
Even though Mexico are wasn't as good as SS, it still felt like the same manga.

Then the final fights with the Espada are very underwhelming and it almost feels the manga is leading to an ending after Aizen, but it didn't. It would've made the previous arc's pacing more understandable.
But the manga doesn't end, and launches into new mediocre arcs.

>>146646097
He always had an Alibi to keep himself from being caught. And as >>146646031 mentioned, Aizen's willing to use anyone he can use for his personal gain. He manipulates those he believes are useful, and quickly dispatches those he deems useless. He admitted that that's why he made Hinamori his Lieutenant and Kira Gin's Lieutenant while making sure Renji was separated from the group and stuck with Byakuya. And when those he deems useful no longer have any use and/or disappoints him, he kills them.

The answer to every question about Bleach is:
Because Kubo is a shit writer.
No point in discussing work that has LN tier writing

>>146646190
>That's the only good explanation but it's also a dumb explanation.

You're contradicting yourself, anon.

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>>146645887
>>146646182

They shouldn't even have had to use their powers.

Do you remember how Ichigo was assraped by GrimJow and Ulquiorra, even after he got control of his Hollow Powers? Without using his mask he was on Byakuya's level. While using his mask he was even further beyond and was still barely tying unreleased Ulquiorra.

Espada 5 got Kenpatchi more serious than he ever had been before.
Fuck Barragarn Blizzed Soi Fon in the first second of fighting but then Kubo forgot the espada were supposed to do that.

Following this logic, Espada 3 should have one shotted Hitsugaya in Bankai with her bare hand, and Starrk been as strong as Aizen.

>>146646590

I think you underestimate how powerful Shunsui is.

Barragan only lost because magic, without Hachi i don't think there would've been anyone there that could beat him, except maybe Ukitake, Shunsui or Yama.

Halibel sucked, but i think when she cut Hitsugaya in 2 Kubo did intend Hitsugaya to lose there, but editors got in his way. Bleeding ice clone is too retarded even for Kubo.

>>146646590
>Do you remember how Ichigo was assraped by GrimJow and Ulquiorra, even after he got control of his Hollow Powers?
Ichigo's Reiatsu is completely inconsistent in the early arc because his powers were still in development. Or did you forget that Ichigo went on to defeat both of those opponents?

>Following this logic, Espada 3 should have one shotted Hitsugaya in Bankai with her bare hand, and Starrk been as strong as Aizen.

See >>146645887
>Technically this had nothing to do with Harribel's Reiatsu and everything to do with her water abilities being a poor match-up for Toshiro's Daiguren Hyourinmaru.

Hitsugaya is considered top-tier among the captains, basically just under Byakuya. Basically he lucked out because they both used Water-based techniques.

>>146646570
Kubo does.

>>146646590

>Do you remember how Ichigo was assraped by GrimJow and Ulquiorra, even after he got control of his Hollow Powers?

He didn't have full control of his powers, also when Ulquiorra first showed up with Yammy and Yammy trashed Ichigo, Ulquiorra said that at points Ichigo's power surpassed his own. In the meeting with Aizen and the other Espada he said Ichigo would self destruct and Grimmjow called him a retard for letting him live.

And then he lost control of his power when fighting Ulquiorra and he tore his face off.

>>146644752
They were the results of his experiemnts and he used them to do his dirty work while he continued researching, kinda like how the vizard had no purpose to him outside of being test subjects.

It's like you didn't even read the manga.

>>146646858
okay.jpg

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>>146646751
>I think you underestimate how powerful Shunsui is.

Kubo didn't make any effort to make it seem like he was more of a challenge to Aizen than those 3 other captains.

Fuck the last Arc he fought toe to toe with Yamamoto for a while, something that should place him near Aizen's level. But then Kubo forgot.

I think all of this has to do with Kubo being a retconning fanfic tier writer with no remembrance of his own plot.

>>146647031

He wasn't any more of a challenge to Aizen than any other captain because they were all under the effect of kyoka suigetsu. Even if Shunsui had been as strong as Aizen he would've gotten killed instantly.

>>146646887
>Ulquiorra said that at points Ichigo's power surpassed his own.

He said there was 2 people capable of destroying him in the city and ichigo wasn't one of them. Then Urahara shows up with Yoruichi and makes them retreat.

>He didn't have full control of his powers
The whole point of the Vizard training is that he regained control of his powers and got even stronger.

>>146647031
>Kubo didn't make any effort to make it seem like he was more of a challenge to Aizen than those 3 other captains.

He couldn't 1v1 Aizen with his Bankai without possibly affecting his comrades. This was actually mentioned when he and Juushiro were fighting Starrk.

Also note that nearly everyone besides Yamamoto and Unohana had spent most of their reiatsu fighting the Espada, ergo they were already weakened before they fought Aizen.

I dropped Bleach two years ago but decided to read up on the final villain. Apparently he was beaten by some plot arrow? I don't understand why he didn't just use Yama's bankai to save himself.

>>146647217
Bait.

>>146647119
>Aizen than any other captain because they were all under the effect of kyoka suigetsu. Even if Shunsui had been as strong as Aizen he would've gotten killed instantly.


Did Aizen slice off Yamamoto's throat instantly? Nope he couldn't.

If Shunsui had been significantly stronger he should have required more attention than that pure curbstomping.

Fuck Aizen is not even shown using Kyoga in that picture. He just outsped the 4 of them and slashed them. Just like how he then proceeds to destroy Komamura's bankai, tie up Rose with his own Sword, Crush Love's sword...
He doesn't even need to use Kyoga in those instances.

>>146647362
>Did Aizen slice off Yamamoto's throat instantly? Nope he couldn't.

What sort of argument is that? Yama is leagues above every other Shinigami sans Aizen.

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>>146647183
>>146647409

Aizen wasn't using Kyoga Suigetsu to beat all these captains. He only used it as a party trick to fuck with them.

Gin states it, it's canon. The guy is just beyond every single of them sans Yama. But Kubo forgot Shunsui and Ukitake managed to stand against Yama for a while in the last Arc.

So really if we go back at the initial reasoning, the 3 Espada were stupidly weak for what they were hyped to be.

>>146647756
>Aizen wasn't using Kyoga Suigetsu to beat all these captains. He only used it as a party trick to fuck with them.

Technically they were all under KS, but it's also true that Aizen has mastered all of the Shinigami combat arts and was only equaled by Yama in terms of power. But as pointed out here >>146647183 Shunsui had already taken a ton of damage from Starrk and spent most of his Reiatsu. If he had used Bankai he could have one-shotted Aizen, but the chance of his comrades also being affected prevented him fro going all-out.

>>146647756
> the 3 Espada were stupidly weak for what they were hyped to be.

Not really, without the Vaizard coming to the rescue it's more than likely Starrk, Harribel and Barragan could have killed everyone but Yamamoto, who would've been neutralized by Wonderweiss regardless.

Aizen bankai could have helped him kill Yamamoto and Unohana with ease. Why didn't he assassinate them?

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>everything around him turns to dust
>ranked below a man who controls loli wolves

>>146648115
Try reading the manga before posting in a Bleach thread.

>>146648124
>Implying that wasn't only done to piss him off

>>146648124
Reiatsu split into two beings > reiatsu contained in a single being.

>>146648004
>But as pointed out here >>146647183 Shunsui had already taken a ton of damage from Starrk and spent most of his Reiatsu

Fighting an engagement in Shikai only and taking limited damage is not ground for that sort of stomping. Stamina in Bleach was never shown to be a significant factor.

>>146648004
>but the chance of his comrades also being affected prevented him fro going all-out.
So uh Yamamoto blowing up the entire city doesn't count?

>>146648439
>Fighting an engagement in Shikai only and taking limited damage is not ground for that sort of stomping.

He'd taken a ton of damage from Starrk before even using his Shikai's ability, and he couldn't use his Bankai because it could harm his comrades, not because he was holding back his strength.

>Stamina in Bleach was never shown to be a significant factor.

It explicitly was, most notably during the Ichigo/ Byakuya fight where Ichigo started to lose since he couldn't physically handle the speed factor from TZ. Stamina has literally always been a factor in Bleach.

>>146648576
>So uh Yamamoto blowing up the entire city doesn't count?

That was to kill Aizen, not some random Arrancar. Yama is the only person in the Gotei that has the authority to take the lives of the other Captains.

>>146648696
Yeah but in the post it's about killing Aizen not some arrancar.

>>146648901
Read the second sentence, anon.

>>146648984
>If he had used Bankai he could have one-shotted Aizen, but the chance of his comrades also being affected prevented him fro going all-out.
Yeah so he didn't use it on Aizen because it would have been dangerous but then they had a plan of blowing themselves up and possibly Karakura with them as well.

>>146648984
>>146649087
Sorry Wrong sentence. that doesn't really make sense either way. Besides he was about to use his bankai against Starrk. Then Ukitake advised him not to because it would be problematic with everyone around.
Then he suddenly beat Starrk without even trying.

None of it really makes sense.

>>146649087
Only the Commander has the authority to sacrifice the Captains, and only if the cause is worth it. You're making a comparison between two entirely separate cases and saying they're the same. Shunsui has no authority to sacrifice the other captains, and doing so would go against his character.

>>146649202
>Then he suddenly beat Starrk without even trying.

That's not how it happened, though. While Starrk was distracted with the Vizards, Shunsui managed to land a sneak attack on Starrk. Even with a Shikai ability that 'cheats' Starrk was able to keep up with Shunsui, who barely managed a win.

>>146649206
>and doing so would go against his character.
He made speeches about having to use dirty tricks and stepping over other captains to win a fight.

Fake Karakura and Deicide are almost enjoyable after the shitfest that was the Thousand Year War.

>>146649346
>He made speeches about having to use dirty tricks and stepping over other captains to win a fight.

That's not at all what he said, anon. The actual quote is more akin to 'there's no good or bad when it comes to war'. He never said anything about wanting to sacrifice his companions, I think you're getting him confused with Mayuri.

>>146649408
Both arcs have their good and bad fights. I thought FK handled the small fights better while TYBW had better Captain fights overall. Deicide was drawn out as fuck but I think it's conclusion was better than the actual ending.

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>>146643545

>Grimjow
>Espada 6
>Beats Ichigo in bankai as soon as he loses his mask
>with one arm and his bare hands

>Luppi
>Weaker than real espada 6
>Beats one captain and 3 vice captains without trouble (loses to stupidity)

>Harribel
>Espeda 3
>Loses to Icecunt

>Starrk
>Fukken Primera
>struggles against 2 captains in Shikai
>struggles against 2 weaker captains in Shikai, has to use ultimate technique to win
>loses to a single captain in shikai

>>146649645
Read the thread.

>>146646450
>He always had an Alibi to keep himself from being caught.
That actually makes sense.

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>>146649703
Who cares whatever headcanon people come up with. It doesn't make sense and Kubo did nothing to improve it.

Just face it guys

Power levels are really inconsistent in bleach

>>146649836
>headcanon

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>>146649928
this

How strong was Starrk in the first place? Could he have solo'd Yamamato?

>>146649928
Not only that, hax abilities like the ones from Barragan, Gerrard and Ichibei can also fuck up those power levels.

>>146648124
Dark souls boss ass lookin nigga

>>146649928
Power levels are consistenly inconsistent in Bleach; that's because Reiatsu is measured as a force that may fluctuate depending on the actual Reirokyu of the Shinigami.

>>146650040
>Could he have solo'd Yamamato?

No one can solo Yamamoto.

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>>146650040
Stronger than anyone we've seen in Bleach aside from transcended beings but apparently Kubo has some sort of bipolar personality disorders and writes 3 different plots at the same time.

>>146648155
So what was Yammy supposed to be for?

>>146650307
To show the reader how weak and pointless the Espada was to begin with?

>>146650307
Yammy jobbed to Zaraki.

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>>146645555

Good post and repeating 5.

>>146650040
>How strong was Starrk in the first place? Could he have solo'd Yamamato?


Weaker than Ulquiorria.

>>146649645
Starrk fought two of the most OP Captains. It's not like he jobbed to Hitsugaya or something.

IchigoXIchika or KazuiXIchika fanfics, images and Doujins when?

Yuzu raping or molesting her nephew doujins when?

Ichika and Kazui playing doctor. when?

Ichika lewds. when?

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>>146650463
>Makes two entire arc about the Espada
>lol just kidding they were garbage

And this is why Bleach's ratings crashed down faster than Brendan Frazer's career.

I hope Kubo's reputation is ruined and he never gets the green light for a new manga.

>>146651187
That image is so wrong it's not funny.

>>146651092
>It's not like he jobbed to Hitsugaya or something.
You mean like the third strongest espada?

>Starrk fought two of the most OP Captains.
He wasn't even doing that well against the two Vizards. And they weren't even in Bankai.

>>146651187
Thats not how charts work

>>146651218
>>146651254
[Citation needed]

>>146651187
>rating crash

man the pacing was so damn bad and unexplained shit and asspulls

>Kubo never works again.

I truly hope he doesn't and pursues his dream of fashion design.

>brandan fraisers career.

now thats just low. Addiction to male prostitutes is a serious problem!

>>146651187
>That image
Let's fix that based on WSJ ranking via arc averages.

Agent of the Shinigami Arc = 8.6
Soul Society Arc = 4
The Arrancar Arc = 2.7
Hueco Mundo Arc = 3.1
Turn Back The Pendulum Arc = 2.8
Fake Karakura Town Arc = 3.6
Deicide Arc = 3.6
The Fullbring Arc = 7.4
The Wandenreich Invasion Arc = 9.7
The Royal Guard Arc = 8
Everything but the Rain Arc = 9.5
Preparation Arc = 9
The Battle On Wandenreich Arc = 10.9
The Royal Palace Arc = 11.2

Don't have info for arc's past that yet but you can see the real decline in the series

>>146643545
if Kubo wasn't protecting his characters, Hitsugaya would have died. his strongest attack didn't do much to Halibel iirc.

it's just shonen things.

Top 5 strongest Bleach characters?

1. Aizen
2. Yhwach
3. Ichigo
4. Ichibei
5. Yama G

>>146651385
>and pursues his dream of fashion design.

It only looked good because he draws manga, most of whom don't really take fashion seriously.

He will compete in a world where he's nothing more than another artists who copies what he sees in magazine.

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Does anyone remember the fuckin' fan comic that ran for years, with hundreds and hundreds of pages, about Ulquiorra surviving, and the eventual shipping of him and Orihime? And it actually wasn't bad- like it was drawn alright, and made enough sense story-wise?

>>146651526
Post your source next time.
http://www.bleachmyasylum.com/showthread.php?2201-WSJ-Bleach-Rankings

>>146651712
didn't think of that.

But you saw the passion he put into his clothing more than anything else in his later mangas

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>>146651634
> Ichigo
>top 5

Befpre we shit on Starrk and Barrigan, keep in mind that:
>Starrk fought Shinsui, Ukitake, Love, Rojuro and Shinsui again before finally dying.
>Barrigan fought Sui-Feng and Hachigen and would've won if not for Hachigen's powers.

Harribel is the only one with no excuse, since she outright lost to Icefaggot (who had no help whatsoever and wasn't even fighting seriously for most of it because he was worried about Matsumoto and Hinamori) before being freed the autist.

>>146651634
Bankai Kenpachi is stronger than Yama

The 4 elite sternritters were on Ichibei's level at least.

And fuck me but Dangai Ichigo is the strongest being in all of Bleach. Fuck that nu Bankai bullshit.

>>146652038
>Starrk fought Shinsui, Ukitake, Love, Rojuro and Shinsui
None of them used their bankai and they didn't go at him all at once.

A bankai makes a shinegami 5-10 times more powerful.

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>>146651748
Speaking of Orihime, Happy Birthday to her. The ending sucked ass, but I admit that it was nice seeing her start a family with the man she loves the most.

>>146649928
Things that are inconsistent in Bleach:
power levels
aging of non-humans
effect of spiritual pressure to weaker beings

>>146652138
2 Top-tier Captains + 2 Ex-Captain Visards > 1 Resurrection

>A bankai makes a shinegami 5-10 times more powerful.

Bankai have their strengths and weaknesses, they don't just reflect the power of their wielder- they reflect their hearts. Rose in particular was a weak Bankai, and Shunsui's is obviously a deathtrap with a massive effect radius.

>>146652496
>2 Top-tier Captains + 2 Ex-Captain Visards > 1 Resurrection

1 Resurrection of what? Espada were ranked from 1 to 10 with a clear gap between each members.

>Bankai have their strengths and weaknesses, they don't just reflect the power of their wielder- they reflect their hearts.

Yeah nice fanfic.

>>146643545
ultimate punishment would be for hallibel instead of being in teh quincy rape dungeon but being fully healed and following around hitsugaya and he gets bullied by two araaras.

Dunno how it would work though. have her stay at uraharas to visit soul society?

>>146643545
it's because kubo is a bad writer

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>>146652190
Do you think Ichigo fucked her for the first time on her birthday

>>146652723
>teh

Is it fair to say Starrk wasn't even fighting at full power as he never went back to original form before he split himself?

>>146652867
>kubos a hack
>editor san not doing his job
Game was rigged from the start anon.

>>146652813
autist.

>>146653012
>you

>>146645143
>Classic case of anon using 'asspull' incorrectly.

He was not wrong, Barragan is the only fight in bleach where I say kubo asspulled a victory for the good guys.

Barragan was faster than Soi fon, remember he got her by surprise and broke her arm, and she was unable to react in time, and that was before Barragan used his ressurecion.

After going full skull mode both his speed and power would have been increase even further, even without respira he could have easily killed Soi Fon.

He was faster and stronger than Soi fon, his power could destroy hachigen kido, and the whole "you are not immune to your own power" was beyond retarded, Barragan literally dancing inside the stuff for years or centuries.

Barragan could cut soi fon in half before she could fire her bankai, instead he stood there with his finger up his ass and waited like a good boy for soi fon bankai to reach him, good forbid he use sonido to cut her head off or something, its not like he was trying to win a fight or anything.

>>146653315
You do know that Barragan's resurrection means 'Arrogance' in Spanish, right? Hachigen was already shown to have spatial warping power with his mask, it was unexpected yet logically consistent.

>>146653315
>>146653454
It's probably the only fight you shouldn't complain about. Barragarn deserved his position and hype as Espada 2 and at least it just so happen that they exploited his one specific weakness.

What doesn't make sense is that the two others weren't able to outspeed and overwhelm their opponents like he did.

>>146653916
>What doesn't make sense is that the two others weren't able to outspeed and overwhelm their opponents like he did.

They were stronger opponents. Soi Fon was completely outclassed by Barragan, Hitsugaya lucked out with another water-element user, Shunsui and Starrk were about equal. Hachigen is basically just a slightly weaker Tessai, a character so OP that he never got a fight.

>>146654006
i wanted more tessai, ururu, jinta characterization

Assuming Ururu is a previous model gigai and jinta is a newer one

>>146654006
>Hitsugaya lucked out with another water-element user
He shouldn't even have been able to parry her sword or keep up with her speed.

>>146654006
>Tessai, a character so OP that he never got a fight.
Such a shame.

I didn't really pay attention after the last chapter. Did Aizen die at the end?

>>146654126
No, he got put back into his chair and got sealed again somehow

>>146643545
Kubo, the only answer.

I was expecting most of the Espada to be like what the quincies were. Walking murder machines.

>>146654126
that faggot kubo wrapped it up because he was getting cancelled.

Tried to half ass a possible spin off with kids.

I hope he never gets work again with his shitty pacing.

>>146643545
just because #4 was destroying the guy who became a shinigami 2 months ago, why exactly should #3 manhandle the guy who became a shinigami 10 years ago?

>>146643545
Where's the rewritten Bleach chapters? Those are funny asf.

>>146654249
because he's a manlet.

>>146654219
>I was expecting most of the Espada to be like what the quincies were. Walking murder machines.
You mean the 26 guys that got killed while only taking down 4 captains?

>>146654239
Yeah the last chapter did a shit job for closure. I kind of want to see the spin off just to see more post time-skip character designs. Karin got some nice tits.

>>146646131
It was his ressurection's ability to change and grow the angrier he became. Its more like the modification Ciruci did than a second release. Yammy turned to 0 but he just had a lot reiatsu he was still dumb as rock and unskilled, Byakuya and Kenpatchi just considered the fight a waste of their time (and the readers).

>>146643545
Didn't Kubo or something say that the numbers ranking the Espada was a mistake?

>>146654249
Oh yeah he forgot the part where Ichigo is just the average shinegami with 2 months of experience that totally didn't fight and defeat two captain level shinegami before.

>>146654366
Only if he doesn't win fast enough

>>146654390
Better hope he gets a competent editor san this time.

>>146645484
>speedreader

Heh, these faggots still exist. Kubo is a hack and is shit at writing. Don't delude yourself, Lab Member 011.

>>146654442
>Mexico was a mistake

t. Trumpe Kubo

>>146654449
Also, 1 of those captains defeated an Espada that Ichigo lost to, because he remembered that using 2 hands makes him stronger.

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Why did everyone like this faggot?

>>146654006
>shunsui and starrk were about equal

I doubt it, Starrk shrugged off and beat several captains before releasing. It's impossible to guess the things he was able to do with those guns and ceros because he was clearly fucking around the entire time. He was trying to get Shunsui and ukitake to use their bankai so he could fight normally, the guy hadn't even started yet.

He was also a genius, having been able to figure out both of their Shikai after only seeing them once, to the point that he correctly theorized and then utilized the weaknesses of their abilities.

If it weren't for Kyorakus Shikai hax he'd have demolished every captain short of Yama, probably all at once.

There's a reason Aizen made him the primera

>>146654775
Cool design

>>146654775
cool and a calm badass.

>>146654803
That's probably what either Kubo or his editor were trying to convey.
Then the other one was doing the opposite.

Either way it's fucking stupid.

>>146654775
because he beat the shit outa ichigo's bitch ass

>>146654604
He never fought with 2 hands again right?

>>146654775
Cool edgy and mysterious
Also Daisuke Namikawa

>>146654928
Didn't he against Thor?

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Rank the espada from favorite to least favorite:

>Starrk
>Nnoitra
>Ulquiorra
>Grimmjow
>Barragan
>Aaroneiro
>Halibel
>Szayel
>Yammy
>Zommari

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>>146655184
>Starrk
Excellent taste
>Nnoitra
Why?

>>146651526
fucking fullbringers, they killed bleach

>>146655472
It would have been a good arc if Bleach had another type of pacing.

But right after the shit that went on the previous arc, and all the questions that were left unanswered, it felt trivial as fuck.

>>146650040
Starrk was a middle east guy, so he naturally jobbs against Japanese CIA.

>>146655184
>Starrk
>Grimmjoe
>Ulquiorra
>Barragan
>Halibel(because deer Fraction makes my dick hard)

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>all these Starrk fanboys

Why was he so popular?

>>146656431
eyepatch
long hair / facial hair
loli
carefree archetype plus tragic.

>>146643545

>Harribel should have manhandled Hitsugaya

You know, I think most people underestimated Hitsu since one of his toughest opponents was Aizen who's a fucking monster on his own. Aizen's like the 2nd strongest shinigami next to Yamammoto.

There was also his perfomance against Shawlong, but his power was restricted down to 20%, which is a considerably immense decrease.

Hitsugaya also had a bad performance against Luppi, but in Bankai, he pretty much was easily above him. Luppi was even saved by the Negacion. He probably would've been killed by Hitsu instead of Grimm if the Negacion didn't happen.

>Stark should have been even stronger

But Stark WAS strong. He was putting immense pressure on multiple captain class Shinigami. He got the upper hand while facing literally just TWO of them. His problem was facing Shunsui whose hax was way too much for him to handle.

>>146643545
Harribel had a type disadvantage and plot wasn't on her side. Aside from a temporary freeze which she seemed to mostly shrug off she thoroughly manhandled Hitsugaya in his Bankai without even releasing. Her release just made the matchup sillier until Aizen decided to team kill her to get things rolling again.

Starrk seemed like he'd have rather been anywhere else, and faced a total of four Captains: one of whom was the second strongest and delivered a sneak attack through the chest that finally turned the battle around.

Barrigan got thoroughly plotted by a broken kido expert who sacrificed a limb to do the deed.

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>>146656461
>eyepatch
>long hair / facial hair
>loli
>carefree archetype plus tragic.

So basically Shunshui?

>>146654775
Legit NTR guy. Unlike that beta Uryuu.

>>146643545
Because Aizen actually let Gin handle the espada ranking.

>>146644956
Just like Starrk and Harribel. Their tatoos mean fucking jack shit considering how utterly underwhelming they turn out to be.

>>146656431
He was alone, so he made a tulpa to fight loneliness.

>>146657164
hey now blame kubo not me.

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>>146657220
Wouldn't surprise me. What was even the purpose of keeping this saboteur around?

>Muh Fear of evolution
That was bullshit.

>>146647756
>But Kubo forgot Shunsui and Ukitake managed to stand against Yama for a while in the last Arc.
And did you forget that Shunsui had multiple abilities including a damage modifier and Ukitake had an ability that returned the opponent's own attack back at them? They were the perfect tag team and so on, with broken abilities. It doesn't mean that they should be able to match somebody of Yamamoto or Aizen caliber in physical might.

>>146657550
>And did you forget that Shunsui had multiple abilities including a damage modifier and Ukitake had an ability that returned the opponent's own attack back at them? They were the perfect tag team

I don't see how these abilities have any sort of connection.

>>146657745
>I don't see how these abilities have any sort of connection.

>Old man Yama fights against one guy that can call a color and turn any attack that would otherwise cleanly chop off an arm into a scratch and another guy that can turn the fire back at him

Shunsui had at least one ability that would render Yamamoto's attacks powerless and Ukitake also had at least one ability that would turn Yamamoto's attacks against him. The real fight started once they all released their Zanpakuto.

>>146657446
>What was even the purpose of keeping this saboteur around?

Aizen said for his amusement. He just wanted to see HOW he would try killing him

>>146657971
Shinegami battles are batles of reiretsu. His powers wouldn't work on Yama like they didn't work on Aizen.

>>146658368
Are you suggesting that despite having released their Zanpakuto, perfectly fit for fighting opponents stronger than themselves since they nearly negate their opponents' strengths, they didn't use them and instead fought Yamamoto head on in a battle of pure strength even though their reiatsu wasn't big enough to affect Yamamoto?

Neither of them were ever shown to be even pre-Muken Kenpachi's strength in the first place, let alone Aizen's or Yamamoto's. Plus, the battle of reiatsu is bullshit. Aizen, the SWP of reiatsu with at least twice the reiatsu of a Captain stopped an attack coming from a normal Captain that could barely stay conscious from reiatsu exhaustion, which makes it hardly applicable to every situation.

>>146655472
be careful now, you are going to upset the autists who think it was a good arc and that bleach should've stayed SoL ghostbusters

don't dare mention we liked captain shenanigans more even though everyone did

>>146658855
SoL ghostbusters was never popular, hell the lack of popularity probably rushed Kubo into the SS arc

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Was she trying to get him killed? Sounds like escaping means dying here.

>>146658593
>perfectly fit for fighting opponents stronger than themselves since they nearly negate their opponents' strength

They don't if their opponent has enough reiretsu. See Aizen.

>>146658879
That's why the popularity graph from the Fall of Bleach video is so disingenuous, it only starts marking averages after 2005 when Bleach's popularity was established after the Soul Society arc, and not how it would often rank below 6th place and sometimes below 10th for the first arc and nearly half of the second. Truth is that the majority of the audience enjoyed the Shinigami the most and didn't care about the human aspect.

>>146659049
>and not how it would often rank below 6th place and sometimes below 10th for the first arc
Oh so you mean it wasn't the most popular manga ever from the first chapter? Are you retarded?

>>146658968
isn't her nature a lovers suicide pack or something?

>>146658968
>Not wanting to spend eternity with your imaginary waifu

>>146659049
I like how the video stated that people stopped being interested in the HM arc when in fact the HM arc got higher ratings than SS.

>>146659138
>reading comprehension
I'm talking about the first 100 or so chapters. You often see people saying that the first arc was so great and everybody liked, but the reality is that it wasn't anywhere near as popular as the Soul Society arc, and the majority of the fanbase only cares about the Shinigami and little of anything in the Human world or first arc besides Rukia. SoL Ghostbusters is a meme that never had any standing and the numbers show that the audience never gave a shit about it.

>>146659200
>>146659212
How would fucking your own soul feels like?

Fuck how does talking to your zanpakto feels like in the first place.

Ulquiora was the strongest but he kept his power hidden and didnt want the top spot, right?

Or did I miss something?

>>146659331
>I'm talking about the first 100 or so chapters.
I'm not sure how long it took One Piece and Naruto to climb to the top so you would have a point if you actually had a citation about that or something.

Because I see nothing weird about building a fandom over the course of 100 chapters.

>>146659648
> fandom is built over 100 chapters
> as soon as the theme of the series changes it's more popular

low level bait

>>146659331
First arc is about 70 chapters.

>>146659648
Except Bleach didn't actually get popular until a good 20 chapters into SS

>>146654189
As he said, there is no point in living an eternal life. He probably went by himself

>>146659682
>as soon as the theme of the series changes

From what we can gather it got better ratings progressively so no.

>>146659778
if the fandom was built over a certain theme and the theme changes the popularity should drop not rise you dumbass

popularity dropped in the fullbringers arc. you literaly got nothing to defend SoL ghostbusters bleach

>>146659778
>From what we can gather
>>146651775

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>>146654775
-He was pretty cool. Powerful, calm and collected(until Ichigo made him lose his shit).

-He killed Ichigo twice, literally nobody else did as much damage to Ichigo, not Aizen and Certainly not Yhwach.

-He learned what he always wanted before dying, "The Heart".

-He was a real threat.

UNMASKED was GOAT tier too.

Bleach didn't switch themes at all. It followed the progression every generic shonens follow.

Starts low key then evolves into pure fighting focused power level wankery. Except he added twists to it which made it less stale.

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>>146649836
This bitch THICC as fuck

>>146658137
Yeah and that was bullshit. Kubo couldn't come up with something more interesting.

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>>146650116

what went right? What did you want more of?

I was pretty satisfied with Zarakis zanpaktou stuff. Kind of wished they elaborated on Unohana more. Everyone being scared of her would be better too if she just starting reking niggas by talking shit instead of that implied stuff earlier.

I enjoyed Nanan and Shunshui stuff. Ukitakes stuff was okay.

>>146648124
I will never not be mad by how this character was so disposable.

>>146653315
>He was not wrong, Barragan is the only fight in bleach where I say kubo asspulled a victory for the good guys.

Final Getsuga was even more of an asspull.

>>146660184
not just him anon. not just him.

>>146654006
>Hitsugaya lucked out with another water-element user

Considering she out-everything him, if it wasn't that ice clone bullshit Hitsugaya would've been dead in the first minute, even with element advantage.

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>Uryuu became a doctor instead of running his own designer clothing line
What a bore

>>146660305
Wasn't the only reason he didn't follow the family job line because he didn't get along well with his father?

>>146644752
>What was the point of the espada, then?
Fun Fact: The only reason Hueco Mundo arc lasted so many years was because editors forced Kubo to milk the Espada as much as possible due to their insane popularity, it was supposed to be shorter exactly because of that.

>>146660305
uryuu cant become a fashion designer before kubo mate.

>>146654477
Seriously did Kubo got the same editor Kurumada (Saint Seiya) got back in the day? Both got royally fucked by them and got forced to expand on popular characters and the got cancelled in the end and forced to rush it.

>>146660319
Just because one has good relations with their parents doesn't mean abandoning their passion. Uryuu was shown to have two passions, sewing and being a Quincy.

The same with Ichigo just inheriting Kurosaki clinic actually, it feels like Kubo's too lazy to think up what his MC's life in the future is like.

>>146660366
>Editors are to blame for HM's pacing
Glorious.

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Ratings in shonens are nonsensical anyway. Japs have no taste and focus on autistic details like shipping and edgy characters.

The thinking man's main gripes with Bleach is how everything fell flat in the Fake Karakura arc. Gin, Aizen's plan, the Espadas, the fights...
Instead of the grandiose plans and fights we had in Soul Society we had retards only using their Shikai, Espadas jobbing, Gin doing all this for a cheap slut, Aizen just going ''Lol Yolo Hogyoku'', Ichigo losing all his character progression...

That's what you should all be complaining about if you had higher appreciation for the plot and World Building logic and weren't hopelessly shipping virgins.

>>146660366
Milk the Espada but not do anything of substance. Kubo originally intended to add more world building to Hueco Mundo by having the arc in the forest among other things, but had to scrap it due to "time constraints".

>>146659616
You too, anon, can make your own independent illusion with it's own personality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpa

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>we're still alive

Did they ever explained why Soul Society gave no fucks about Uryuu being a Quincy while theye were pretty much Shinigami's mortal enemies?

>>146660429
Kubo should make a seinen spinoff starring Uryuu as a young doctor and part-time ghostbuster who meets a mysterious young woman that leads him down the seductive path of uninhibited fashion designing.

While trying to strike tie-in deals with Uniqlo.

>>146660826
Because the Quincy were only a problem because they were doing it en mass?

>>146660826
I'm still wondering how the fuck no one ever noticed that were 5 active Quincys in Karakura Town at one point.

>>146660887
Or Urarara, the Vizards etc

>>146660918
Or their missing captain.

>>146660918
>>146660955
Because they used Urahara's Gigai?

>>146660887
Because they simply don't give a fuck about 5? The Quincy were only a problem because they were killing in large numbers across the world. A handful won't break the Balance but an army will

>>146660826
Mayuri was the only one who commented on that.
Fuckers were too busy believing in their phony Soul King God, instead of science.

*tips kasa

The Ulquiorra fight was truly the highlight of the hueco mundo arc. Everything after was just underwhelming.

>>146661066
> the final boss fight was the pinnacle of the arc

gee who would've though?

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>Yhwach was the Prophet

>>146660826
>>146660875
>>146660887

Does anyone here find it utterly horryfying how Ishida was still allowed to use his Bow to kill hollows when we know it evaporates souls into Oblivion?

Instead of reincarnating and living a new life they're condemned to eternal oblivion. How can he do this shit so casually? Fucking Kubo.

>>146661244
just try to imagine szayel aporro's death in detail to understand how horrifying some parts in bleach where

>>146661274
Never mind what Szsyel did to Nemu

>>146661244
If Shinigami were better at doing their job, those souls would've never become Hollows in the first place.

>>146661116
The soul king's heart was undefeatable

>>146661274
Yeah except he's supposed to be a good guy. The guy is worse than Ywach.

>>146661447
That's still not the Hollow's soul fault.

>>146661570
Mayuri was never a good guy, he just worked with the good guys because it gave him access to resources

>>146653315
The main thing you didn't mention is that Hachi didn't even use his teleport trick well. He didn't drop the Respira arm inside of an actual bone plate or anything, he just sent it into the empty air behind the rib cage. The Respira pours out of every surface of Barragan's body, so the only places the arm could have touched would have already been immune to Respira, otherwise Barragan would have killed himself with his own power long ago.

>>146649928
It strikes me as ridiculous these Bleach fags were not only blown the fuck out by unfulfilled endings, but they are going back in time to discuss it like there was a fucking plan to it all.

COME THE FUCK ON, it was literally exhaust certain people to their limit, make sure the design for the next part is ready so the burst power level of the arc balances out.

But faggots still wonder why characters weren't used well, cause they were disposable and placeholders.

>>146654775
Design still looks stupid to me, fags go crazy for the powerful emo goth type I guess.

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>>146643545
Hard truth:
Bleach has terrible writing, pacing and characters. The art is mediocre at best, and "minimalism" is no excuse for laziness
Kubo's fetish for predictable twists and sudden power reveals drove the series into the ground until it finally died.
Nothing makes sense, and instead of giving us resolution on anything at all, it ended with lifeless shipping.

I'm glad it was cancelled.

t. a decade-long 'fan'

>>146660047
Kubo was the one that came up with the entire character and situation, suck a dick this is what you got, even in the end, you people fail to understand it all.

>>146661661
The funniest shit was all his last minute reveals about Ichigo in the final arc. "That was never your real sword, it was being held back" "lmao 2 swords, one for each power source"

Nothing ever happens with it, Ywach one shots the sword, and then the sword breaks revealing his original shikai which does the final blow, the end.

What the fuck was the point in Ichigo having quincy powers, or a completely new "real" blade, or two blades then? He did fuck all with it, except for the fact that he can mix his laser... with the best hollow laser. That's it.

>>146661754
Kubo never got to expand on it because it was canceled, it's not that hard to figure out.

>>146661770
he got a time limit years ago

>>146661661
Despite you realising it far too late, even as a hater I can say that he knows how to design interesting characters. Of course there were plenty of times there wasn't enough originality, but it takes a real genius to create completely original characters that are well liked year after year.

Designs were great, but sometimes he'd steal way too close to recent. For me it was Bambi cloning Esdeath just because Akame ga Kill wasn't a hit yet, it was only 7-9 chapters at the time.

Like come the fuck on, despite Bambi's design being arguably unique enough to be different the concept of the character is fucking there. It's only once you remove the distance of this time frame years later can you appreciate it since it doesn't matter anymore.

>>146661782
I doubt that or he wouldn't have said he had 10 more years of bleach left to go 6 years ago. He got maybe 1 or 2 months of notice to finish the series

>>146661770
Believing in this cancellation crap, he was PUSHING his series without ever following up on any of those loop holes. This series wasn't fucking half way through it's story, that's not the kind of planning and designing Kubo does. There wasn't 'this point is open left to revist for another day', he drops it you stupid fuck. It got cancelled because of his negligence that 'Bleach will always survive' because big 3.

>>146661808
That's probably it, because the way the fight ended was way too abrupt. Ichigo showed nothing new, and he basically had no point in getting any new power at all.

>>146661808
10 years worth of ideas isn't actual story, Kubo would of been more cut up if he had final arcs planned, not the ideas.

It's like you faggots forgot how he had the most lengthy research breaks between arcs. Or the fact he would set the pacing fucking slow, and you'd call it artistic, not the fact he was scrambling to figure out what to do next.

Fuck these threads shouldn't exist, but a good chunk of /a/ already ousted itself for loving Kubo cock.

>>146661847
Do you know nothing about how WSJ works? Bleach has not been popular in years and got Axed

>>146643545
I hope Kubo starts a character designer career now that his manga ended. That's all he's good for.

>>146661872
We knew the Quincy arc was the last and so did Kubo. He has no excuses, he just didn't care to tie up the loose ends, face it already.

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>>146661912
It can't be helped.

>>146661912
He clearly had more planned as we were only 3 days into Yhwach's 9 day prophecy. It got cancelled because it had constantly low ranks in WSJ for quite a long time

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>Kubo shoehorned the COMPLETELY irrelevant Renji into the final fight just so he could establish a bit of shipping
>We never even saw Ichigo's new Bankai power
>Urahara, Yoruichi, Grimmjow, Nel probably dead who knows
>Pacifist Sado is now a boxer
>Never saw Hole-Kira again
>Big Bad is killed by a normal sword slash & an Arrow of Plot Stopping
>Fanfiction-tier shipping/kids conclusion

>>146661596
I meant Ishida.

>>146661847
>>146661912
>>146661960
We get that you're mad but use your head.

>>146659872
Just read Unmasked.
So he's a natural arrancar born because he walked into what looks like the origin of the hollow trees?

>>146661989
>an Arrow of Plot Stopping
That would be a pretty cool name for an RPG weapon.

>>146661914
It was declining in popularity because of Kubo's shit writing, not the other way round.

If fans really believe that Kubo could've written a good series if he'd been given 4 more years, why don't you raise some crowdfunding for him to self-publish what Bleach would be if not "cancelled" by WSJ.

>>146662021
I'm not mad, I don't care anymore. You, on the other hand, look like you care, and you would probably be mad if only you stopped choking on Kubo's dick for a second. He didn't care about you or his own manga, not enough to give it a fullfilling ending.
>b-b-bbut the JUMP
Jesus Christ Bleach has been something like 10th in the jump rankings for like 5 years already. Do you know how many series survive in the jump with that kind of ranking for more than 3 weeks? Zero. They're canceled right away. But Jump didn't cancel Bleach right away because it had a past record of popularity and good tankoubon sales despite the bad ranking. Kubo knew what to expect, he probably had a time limit he knew about for years, and he didn't care to plan ahead so that he could give a good end to his manga.

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>>146643545
Was this ever explained? Aizen refers to a bunch of Vasto Lords separately from the Espada?

Since the Espada were all such jobbers I was hoping he would show up with a new group of Pure Vasto Lords that were far beyond Captain level as Hitsugaya put it.

>>146661989
>>Urahara, Yoruichi, Grimmjow, Nel probably dead who knows
This makes me mad, was it so hard to add them in final chapter as one scene in a shop or show their tombstones or jsut mention in passing?

Yoruichi 'final' fight was quite a fanservice joke but nothing more I'm pissed as hell we never saw her using her shikai or bankai or her ancestor's armor and isnetad we got her shota brother beating and ehr being joke weak sex kitty for Urahara...

Soi Fon looks to still be a bitchy self after time jump so I think Yoruichi and Urahara are still alive since she never moved on with someone like Isane.

>>146662097
>It was declining in popularity because of Kubo's shit writing
That's exactly what I said idiot. I just said Kubo clearly had more material that he planned to do but Bleach was canned because it was doing terribly in WSJ's polls. I'm quite well aware of how bad the last arcs have been

>>146662126
Stop projecting.

>>146662161
You can bait all you want, it won't make the truth go away.

>>146662097
Reading comprehension.

>>146662126
>Kubo knew what to expect, he probably had a time limit he knew about for years, and he didn't care to plan ahead so that he could give a good end to his manga.
You have no basis to make that statement.

>>146662132
Apparently the top 4 - 1 were meant to be Vasto Lords or something.

>>146662195
>no basis
We knew he had a time limit. Are you saying Kubo didn't know?

>>146662132
Kubo probably changed his mind (or his editors changed it for him) and just made the popular Espada the only threats.

>>146662268
>We knew he had a time limit
Are we basing this time limit off the poor rankings? Because if we are we have no idea at what point he got the notification to end it right away, It could have been at little as a month

>>146662048
>So he's a natural arrancar born because he walked into what looks like the origin of the hollow trees?

More like he achieved happiness so he evolved, it's nothing like getting a power-up from some trees and more like his emotional state.

>>146662328
The decline in rankings happen across years. The last time he got top 3 was in 2013. Even if no one told him to pack up, as a senior mangaka he should be aware of what's coming. Fuck that. Kubo deserves no sympathy.

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>>146662328
>Are we basing this time limit off the poor rankings?
That, and the opening of the 1000 years war arc, with the note from the editor anouncing it as the last arc.

>>146662478
>The decline in rankings happen across years.
I know, the numbers were posted earlier in the thread. Bleach has been in rapid decline ever since the Fullbringer arc

>Kubo deserves no sympathy.
I know, he probably knew it was coming and didn't give a shit. It's rather clear that he stopped putting any effort at all into Bleach after a certain point

>>146662564
Well Bleach only went past SS because of WSJ to begin with so it's not that surprising that WSJ chooses which will be the final arc, that however doesn't mean we know how long that arc will go for.

Barragan was pretty strong

>>146657446
Why does Aizen want to die?

His theme song:
>solitary life
>seeking suicide

His long cherished ambition, according to Gin, is to die with a hole in his chest.

To Kyoraku after he woke up of the Underbelly Schrift
>if you want to kill me, now is the time.

His last speech in the manga

etc.

>>146662664
>Why does Aizen want to die?
Because he was lonely because there was nobody that could stand on the same stage as him

>>146662641
>that however doesn't mean we know how long that arc will go for
You're very naive when it comes to WSJ's work ethic then. It's highly unlikely WSJ just told Kubo "yeah, you can do another arc, it can be as long as you want it to be". They probably told him instead "Yeah, you can do another arc, if it sucks you stop in summer 2016 to make way for new titles, if not you can keep it up for a while longer".

>>146662768
It was probably more like "Yeah you can do another arc but if the rankings stay too low we will axe Bleach the moment when we find a replacement".

I somewhat doubt he was given a exact date

>>146661782
Who the fuck decides how long a manga is supposed to be?

Why are some manga not even 50-100 chapters long while others like Naruto and One Piece go on for 700+?

>>146662707
But he has Ichigo.

>>146662873
>Who the fuck decides how long a manga is supposed to be?
Rankings in WSJ, if you stay in rank 10 -15 you are at risk of being cancelled. Naruto and One Piece consistently ranked high and thus survived, Bleach held it's ground in the top 4 until the Fullbringer arc killed it's high rankings.

>>146662836
>the moment when we find a replacement
Jump's turnover is higher than you think. You just don't realize it because you never hear about most of these series. There are 15 slots in the WSJ, and most people only know 5 at best (One Piece, BnHA, hell I can't think of much else). The WSJ is the most popular magazine, they receive more than enough manuscript every single day, but even WSJ editors don't know what will work and what won't, so they just publish what they think is best, and when it works they keep it going, otherwise they cancel it.

>>146662768
>>146662836
I get the feeling that the ending of Naruto, Bleach and Gintama were all put on the table for discussions. With Kishi, since Naruto's rankings and sales were still consistently good, he might be the one who wanted to end it. The other two were less stable. This is why Naruto's ending got planned with the movie, Thousand Year war was promoted as the last arc, and Gintama started addressing Gintoki's backstory with Sensei.

Kubo, however, was the only one who added more new things than he wrapped up.

>>146662664
>To Kyoraku after he woke up of the Underbelly Schrift
>>if you want to kill me, now is the time.

And Kyoraku said it was impossible. Aizen had such a sad expression.

>>146643545
Why did Aizen get rid of perfectly good T&A?

>>146662981
Yeah I know that, hence why I've been saying Bleach got canned.

>Jump's turnover is higher than you think
This wouldn't surprise me though, I don't keep track of the magazine anywhere near as much as I used to.

>>146663140
Because he got impatient and he could. Literally no other reason.

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What did he want to ask Urahara about?

>>146663382
Lessons on how not to job so hard. Urahara declined, claiming he wouldn't be a suitable teacher.

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Orihime has the best toes, no wonder Ichigo returns her love.

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>>146654775
Because he was literally the only Espada who wasn't a weak little bitch.

>>146663622
what is with his hole moving down btw

>>146647031
The Shikai that can manipulate your senses

WELL SHIT

>>146664212
WHAT DID ITS BANKAI DO, KUBO!?

WHAT'S IN THE FUCKING BOX!?

>>146643545
Harribel should have handled Hitsugaya's man. naw'msayin?

>>146662664
>His long cherished ambition, according to Gin, is to die with a hole in his chest.

That was a joke on his obsession with hollowfication. Gin was just being a little cunt like always.

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>>146643545
Was this ever explained what Gin was doing here?

Seems like another dropped plotline.

>>146664880
unless you can find the same scene in the manga I would just write it off as anime misc

>>146665555
Trip quints! Animefags blown the fuck out.

>>146664880
i thought he was making it easier for the humans to get in

Harribel held her number well...she kicked Hitsugayas ass the whole fight...then the 2 vizard girls helped hitsugaya and even then she was owning all 3 until Aizen decided out of the blue to end her

>>146664880
Gin did it for shits and giggles. It's in the manga too. But he also did it so Rukia could meet """Kaien"""

What you people need to understand is that the problem with Bleach was not Harribel or other espadas...it was Kubos unability to make cool fights.Every fight in Bleach is someone showing up to help a character fighting like the vizards...that was their only purpose...Or a character comes up with a bankai or a secret power out of their ass...thats all Bleach ever was and why I stopped caring for it years ago

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Translation pls?

>>146665975
>ywn read a spin off in which Aizen meets the off spring of his best experiment.

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>>146659872
not only that but I think Ulquiorra was one of the only characters in this series who realized most of his potential. Like he's got a pretty complete character arc and everything which wasn't too fucked up by Kubo's shit writing in the long run. He's lucky he stayed dead

>>146665975
>"a ching chong nip nong... chung kimchi japanesedenywarcrimes sumnida"

>hrrrblublublublblb

>>146665975
There's a Kurosaki-kun in there. That's all I know.

>>146643545
What was even the purpose of showing her locked in the quincy dungeon is literally nothing happens with that?

>>146662248
>>146662132
From what I've gathered the vastolordes were the natural arrancar.

Starrk/Lilynette and Ulquiorra were the only two espada explicitly shown to be natural arrancar.

Fanboy side-note, does anyone else think Starrk never revealed his ¿Resurrección? when he combines with lilynette that's just them returning to their original form, not actually increasing their power level or changing their form significantly like the other arrancar.

>>146666306
>Kazui was the real keikaku all along

Still, that begets the question: for what purpose?

>>146662524
Jesus Christ Maximum7 what are you doing

>>146666605
Peace on earth.

>>146665975
I wish I read Korean. They often have nice fanart that unlike with English and Japanese I can't search for my own.

>>146665847
>>146665951
>...

>>146654084
>He shouldn't even have been able to parry her sword or keep up with her speed.

You're severely underestimating Hitsugaya, he'd already been established as one of the strongest Captains at this point and Shunsui suspects he'll reach Yama-tier in a few hundred years.

>>146654803
If Shunsui were able to 1v1 him with his Bankai, it would have been a very different fight.

>>146652190
I was a IshiHime shipper...

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>>146661661
Somebody needs to update this image with Wheelchair-kun's final power-up after saying "I must protect my friends".

>>146646450
Using Kyoka suigetsu, he could've easily have led people to believe he was having tea with Yamamoto while he was actually obliterating Tosen's asshole. I don't see the problem here

>>146652093
>Bankai Kenpachi is stronger than Yama
No

>>146654910
The only way Shunsui coul deven TOUCH Starrk was to have him distracted by someone else, and attack in a round about way

>>146663622
>who is Nnoitra

>>146657220
>>146657446
I could see this
>Gin made Barragan #2 just to fuck with him even though he was stronger than Starrk
>made Starrk #1 because "it's lonely at the top"
>made Yammy #0 just because

>>146666558
>Starrk never revealed his ¿Resurrección?
I'd like it if this were true. He also made it obvious that he didn't go all out so who knows
Also that fucking scene with Shunsui

>"would I be right in assuming your gun doesn't only shoot ceros?"
>no that's all it does
>for real

>>146663425
Urahara never jobbed though

>>146645187
>The Espada stronger than her had already lost, so what point would there be in keeping her around?
Her ability was actually good.

Its more of a shounen thing. Kubo had the choice between:
1. Ice Kid wins his battle, and disables her
2. Aizen disables her, so Ice Kid doesn't get more chapters.

>>146660366
I don't really blame them.
Huenco Mundo has a lot of things like:
1. Hollow Masks
2. Characters with different costumes and monster forms, and said monster forms is used
3. Ishida and Chad gets screen time
4. Very cool architecture. Nips do actually enjoy Non Japanese architecture to some degree
5. Anime did a good job at introducing Huenco Mundo

>>146649836
10/10 would save holes from frostbite

>>146649928
>are

>>146662478
>out of top 3 means cancellation
>t . newfag

>>146661661
>t. a fake 'fan'