Is there a single person on this earth that likes Emiya?

saber

King Arthur.
Kiritsugu.

>>146619058
>>146619078
How about real person, e.g. the audience.

Nearly the entire female cast of the core-Fate works, as well as a lot of the males.

Turns out being ripped, hot, rich, and kind makes you popular.

>>146619022
If you don't like Shero you ain't a seigi no mikata no more.

I really like him. He's a true seigi no mikata and he's not afraid to do what's right.

>>146619104
You realize he's by far the most popular protagonist in any Type-Moon series and is consistently in the top 20 in character polls, aye?

Shirou being unpopular is a fucking meme and only true amongst secondaries

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>>146619022
He is pretty cute desu

>>146619229
I'm pretty sure Fem-Shiki was more popular than him for a long ass time until UBW aired and he boosted back up

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>>146619022
Shirou is best girl.

>>146619022
I like him as a character for the story he was made for. I don't like him as a character on his own.

>>146619307
Fate would have been a lot better if it was centered around literally anyone else in the war.

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>>146619229
>muh secondary boogyman
Fatefags are so pathetic.

>>146619356
That may be true but it doesn't contradict my statement.

>>146619356
If you actually think that you're either retarded or haven't read the VN

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>>146619022

Unfortunately, I'm in love with that idiot.

>>146619356
Not really.

Everyone else dies before the ending, has an extremely limited viewpoint of what happens, or doesn't appear at all on a given route.

You'd have to rewrite the entire VN.

>>146619373
It's true though.

Shirou was widely considered okay as a protag for fucking years, until the Zero anime brought in a wave of new fans who hated how different SN was to the anime.

Now the UBW has brought in the rest of the Zero fans not bothered with the VN but who still hate the difference between them, and thus Shirou.

>>146619022
Lots of people love Emiya.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xig98aL6M3c

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>>146619229
>MC in top 20
>good

That's pathetic, and indicative that he's a bland self insert audience surrogate with bunch of different flavor of waifus to fug. Any MC worth a damn would be in top 4 consistently given the amount of screentime they're given.

>>146619263
>for a long ass time
You mean, when KnK started showing in theaters. That's not that long ago.

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>>146619356
More like it would be generic battle royale garbage and would lose most of the story's themes.

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>>146619613
>my yaoibait series is better than your waifubait!
No fucking shit the male MC is top 4.

>>146619613
Or it means that he has to compete with several sub-series and alternate franchise's worth of characters while dealing with a fanbase that mostly cares about waifus.

I like him ironically

>>146619356
Shirou without his monologue wouldn't survive as a character, and with his idiocy while keeps getting rewarded with his dumbass decisions would make him the most annoying Gary sue piece of shit in the story.

Say for example Fate route from Saber's perspective, and this bungling ginger retard keeps jumping into fights between servants, and at one point told ""you"" the perspective character that girl shouldn't be fighting.

Shirou's a bad character in general. The VN only makes him slightly more bearable by making him POV character, audience surrogate and giving us insights to his monologue (which are repetitive and hammered to us every goddamn morning, 'muh sky is burning erryday all day)

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>>146619779
Name me other series where MC is ranked fucking 12th.

He's a failure as MC and Fate in general were saved by the side characters. Guts can carry Berserk on his own, Goku can carry DBZ on his own, without Seibah and Rin Shirou is not able to carry the series. Imagine if Shirou got paired with Assassin, how fucking boring it would be.

>>146619897
>Shirou's a bad character in general.

He really isn't. He's a solid concept that is done rather amateurishly and then gets further fucked up by a pretty rough translation.

I'm rather fond of him despite how poorly written Fate is, desu

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>>146620010
It's not a single series senpai, that's a poll with characters from the whole Nasuverse. And shortly after Fate/Zero aired, no less.

>without Seibah and Rin Shirou is not able to carry the series
Tell that to the last few chapters of Prisma Illya.

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>>146619613
>Cast of dozens of characters including waifus, husbandos, and fujoshit
>still managing to get top 20
It's pretty good, actually. Archer ranks pretty high on average, too.

>>146620010
This is really weak bait

>>146620038
>He's a solid concept that is done rather amateurishly

Everything that is bad started as semi solid concept but executed poorly. That is not an excuse.

He's passable of course, but I think his muh heroism is taken a tad too far, and the writing shouldn't give him as much plot armor for his blatantly idiotic behavior (go shopping in broad daylight, got kidnapped; sneak off in the middle of the night alone like 3-4 times only to have his ass saved everytime). Everything is okay though because MC got Deadpool regen power from Avalon, so he can stay being a dumbass all the time. How about maybe have him sneak off once or twice at night and suffer serious consequences, rather than almost every other night during the Fate route?

>>146619022
I like him in the second half of Heavens Feel.

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>>146620010
>>146620105
Not to mention if you only consider F/SN characters in that 10 year poll, Shirou would be #6. And Gil was being heavily boosted by F/Z (which was much better than the original Gil), while Archer is just another version of Shirou.

>>146620250
He does suffer consequences plenty of times man. 40 bad ends.

>>146619022
yeah donald trump

because of the way this shit works, there's a universe where he's not a total faggot

>>146620010
>Imagine if Shirou got paired with Assassin, how fucking boring it would be.
He isn't even the mascot of fate franchise and I also agree about the rest of your statement.

I got into fate because of the side characters and find them more interesting than the MC.

>>146620303
There's like 9 character that matters in FSN and he's ranked 6 despite having close to 10 hours of monologues and most screentime.

Yeah that's not saying much

>>146620302
lol if only he was as good as he was in knk

>>146619022
Me.

I'm gay for him.

>>146620250
>and the writing shouldn't give him as much plot armor for his blatantly idiotic

He literally only survives in a handful of endings out of the over 40 endings of the VN. The requirements for him to survive the war are stupidly specific.

>>146620341
Half of the bad ends are actually from NOT acting like retard.

For example, not jumping onto a line of fire from Berserker and get mauled, not following Saber vs. Rider fight, and not following Saber vs. Caster fight in his house, all that from Fate route alone.

>>146619022
People who read the VN.

Shirou and Shiki are bland self-insert porn novel MCs, did you really expect them to do well on the polls? They only exist for the sake of their stories.

They're still less one dimensional than most of the F/Z cast, though.

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>>146620428
Enjou is based but Shirou is better.

>>146620524
>They only exist for the sake of their stories.

This is true for literally every fictional character ever written.

>>146620524
>Shirou and Shiki are bland self-insert porn novel MC

Yeah, I never self inserted into a sword autist willing to give his life for total strangers.

>>146620559
You know what I meant, faggot. They exist to further the stories of the other characters in the novel. Do you really think anyone read F/SN because they thought Shirou was a super cool MC?

>>146619613
>bland self insert audience surrogate

Secondaries.

>>146620524
>Shirou and Shiki are bland self-insert porn novel MCs

I disagree with Shirou. If anything he had too much characterization. 35% of FSN is just him having a dream about burning skies. Jesus fucking Christ I get it already you want to be a hero. He's having a morning wood every single fucking day about muh burning skies and muh orphanage fire.

If anything he's too forced in, and even with that amount of screentime he's kinda bland compared to say Kotomine or Rider or hell even Gil who had way way less screentime

>>146620612
No, but a lot certainly came out of it thinking like that. For me, he was the best thing about F/SN other than the basic premise.

>>146620524
>They're still less one dimensional than most of the F/Z cast, though.

Shirou's whole point (except for HF) is that he's an unabashedly unapologetic one dimensional muh ideal retard in the world of multilayered characters like Archer and Saber

>>146620722
>he's kinda bland compared to say Kotomine or Rider or hell even Gil
>or Rider

Rider doesn't even get a real personality until F/HA.

>>146620756
Well you're husbando a shit and the polls objectively supports that.

Maybe you self insert too hard without realizing it. That's a hallmark of people who self insert too hard, go to any donut steel fanfic and if you say that MC is an author avatar the writer would be super offended.

>>146620775
>like Archer

Archer is also a unabashedly unapologetic one dimensional muh ideal retard. He's just butthurt over being turned into a janitor.

>>146620775
Nice bait.

>>146620578
Fatefags are autistic enough to self-insert to shirou. Everyone of us here wanna fuck a qt blonde foreigner with a royal status, and the popular girl in school.

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>>146621071
Well I'm not a pedo who want to fuck flat chested girl who's stuck at 15 for eternity and someone who pleases old man for money

Sakura on the other hand...

>>146620460
This is the difference with people who play the game and who just watch. They know that Shirou's bad decisions does actually have consequences that affect the ends, instead of 'he does stupid thing but isn't even getting whacked for it! hurrr'.

40 bad ends say something different, secondary.

>>146621395
>muh secondary boogeyman

Even after playing through the VN I still think Fate Zero was better. Shirou is a fucking retarded MC.

>>146620829
popularity =/= quality

you should have known this by now

>>146621537
>started with Fate Zero
From that point you were always a secondary faggot, reading the VN doesn't change a thing.

>>146621537
Way to ruin your Fate franchise experience.

>>146621796
>>146621846
Reading the VN first would have given the biggest twist of FZ away. And because Fate Zero is so massively superior to Fate Stay Night, that would have been the overall worse option.

So no, it was in fact you whose experience of the Fate franchise has been ruined by wasting your time with a shitty 70 hour eroge.

>>146621172
..is a wormslut?

>>146620466
This.

>>146621395
>40 bad ends say something different, secondary.

See >>146620466
You try to not make decision like a retard, for example following Saber vs. Rider fight to the rooftop. You get kidnapped and murdered by Ilya the next day.

If you follow Saber, even though you being there is inconsequential to the fight, you only get kidnapped but saved by Saber arbitrarily the next day.

>>146621796
>the VN is only good if you read it first. If you have watched any adaptations beforehand it's bad and it's your fault

Or maybe the VN ain't that good to begin with. Have you ever think about that for once? How come every adaptation starring Shirou is shit? Maybe the source material is shit. Maybe because he's a self insert protagonist from porn novel and couldn't stand on his own without the illusion of choice given by the VN.

>>146621960
>Reading the VN first would have given the biggest twist of FZ away.
But considering that Fate/Zero wasn't written for new fans but existing ones, everyone went in already knowing the result

>>146620466
>not jumping onto a line of fire from Berserker and get mauled
>Trying to run away from a fucking Servant with all of 5 seconds of a headstart
Gee, I wonder why the fuck you died.

>>146622131
How come the Deadpool health regen from Avalon saves you in the first case, but not the latter?

Nasu's hack writing all day erryday

>>146622205
>Saber is alive in one case
>But not in the other
It's not that hard to figure.

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>>146621172
Reminder.

>>146622264
I'm not a beta virgin, like 99% of people in the US had sex before marriage.

The heart is what matters and she's the most dedicated of the 3 waifus. Rin probably cheated on you and pleases old man for money behind your back.

>he doesnt want to save everyone

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>>146619022
Shirou is the best girl in Rin's harem

>>146622264
That's Rin, though.

>>146619022
Saber of Welsh.

>>146622009
Or maybe it's harder to translate a 100 hr 3 route VN into anime? Maybe if you try to use that non-existent brain of yours and try to be not a secondary zerofag for once then maybe you will realize it.
But alas, I don't expect you to do that.

>>146622259
Nope anon don't let that secondary get you, it doesn't have a brain anyways.

>>146619022
I like Shirou, and I like EMIYA.

>secondary boogeyman
>you consume the media in the wrong order, is your fault

If the source material is good then it's good. Reading LOTR first doesn't make the Hobbit less good. Watching the LOTR movies first doesn't make the novel any less good.

All you FSN VN Fatefags are just burying their head in the sand against criticism of their beloved self insert porn novel. It's not my fault that Fate Zero anime adaptation, or Fate Extra PSP games are more well received by wider audience than your initial eroge source material. The more you guys bury your head in the sand and yell LALALALALALA secondaries the more people gonna point those flaws out (most of which pertains to Shirou)

>>146622810
Top fucking kek. Also since language has change over time she would probably have w welsh account.

Yea Shirou sucks.

>>146623082
Stop it you are going to make them cry. Those fate idiots need to fuck off. They are taking this to fucking seriously.

>>146623082
So? Point it ou then and just not yap like a secondary.
LotR? Hobbit? Wow yeah they are Multi-route Visual novels! What a comparison? Brilliant, secondary!

>>146619229
Isn't Archer considered a protag too?

>>146620353
why would drumpf like emiya, faggot

>>146620105
why is he black in one of them?

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>>146623949
Shiro is the red man.

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>>146619022
He is a good character. Sometimes his bullshit "hero of justice" speech sounds extremly idealistic, but eh, people seems to forget that he always has to deal with the consequences of his actions, his choices end blowing up in his face always. I think that's essential for a character.

He would be a pain in the ass if by choosing the worst path of action got the best possible results, just because he is "right", but no, he choises his path of action and pay the consequences. That's more than can you say about lot of characters.

>>146624235
Cory in the house was so good. I'm not even joking. After being depressed of not seeing new episode of that so raven, this fuck came out of nowhere a black kid living da White House. Mother fukka that was some good she it. No meme. He helped to a tough divorce.

At least he is not a Mary Sue kind of MC. I like him, but he is far from my favourite in the Nasuverse.

>>146619022
Plenty. He's a rather popular protagonist.

>>146624264
Even the fagboy from school days was more fun then Shirou.

>>146623497
Shirou is the red man.

>>146623455
>Point it ou then and just not yap like a secondary.

FSN VN a shit. It's way too long, 50,000 words too wordy, and repetitive. As other anons pointed out, how many times do we have to sit through Shirou's orphanage fire monologue, or in Fate route Saber's on the hill dream sequence? FSN has shit MC that is fucking dumb, proud to be dumb, and hard to root for if you don't self insert as him. I would imagine half of what makes FSN bearable are the world building, but if you're a secondary, FZ or even Fate Extra does it in way more concise manner as it doesn't have long wordy exposition dump by Rin, Kotomine, or whoever Mr. Exposition at the time and doesn't have repetitive monologues every morning before the MC wakes up.

Also as other anons pointed out, the Tiger Dojo ending is a crapshoot. Half of the time it rewards Shirou for being retarded and jump into fights between Servants, even though the whole casts trying to hammer the point that masters shouldn't jump into fights between Servants. Also the other half of the time you're not given control over Shirou's retarded act. Grocery shopping in the board daylight when Saber's knocked out. Yeah great fucking idea.

Every series worth of damn protagonists need to learn something. Shirou stayed one note and force his dumb ideal through Fate and UBW and gets rewarded for it, this is with exception of HF where he actually does change.

The VN is just not that good compared to the spinoff series. It has too many debilitating flaws to be legitimately good. It has its moments, and can be guilty pleasure sure, but it's not good in the most common sense. Even Prisma Ilya and Carnival Phantasm is better than the original eroge VN

>>146624426
Gg you won. No seriously, you won.


Bye. He wouldn't even be in top 100 most popular prog

Did people miss the rather large Shirou thread earlier this week or something?

>>146624820
Yeah but it change to a saber thread after 54 post. Also fuck Shirou he sucks

Fate is horrible and pretentious. The whole series should get cancelled.

>>146624759
Saber is the main protag of FSN, fuck Shirou. If it were for a real protag-bowl Fate route Saber would be top 10 along with Guts, Kenshiro, Saitama (hard for me to say this, but he's indeed unquestionably popular), Luffy, Jotaro, Goku, and other icons of anime/mango pantheon.

Shirou can rot in hell behind Kirito in his 217th spot

>>146624885
No it didn't.

It was pretty consistently about Shirou the whole time.

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>>146621172

Sakura is great, there is no need to debase yourself by slandering another person's favorite.

Sakura is pretty top tier though. The bazookas she has are only the start of the goodness. She also gets fabulous fanart at times.

>>146624944
Yes it did. I was there. Ask my brother, you fucking liar.

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I really like him

>>146625174
I am his brother. Call me Thomas. His name his name is tom. It means empty in Norwegian, the same feeling my mom get when he got born.

>>146625308
I really dislike that gold trim.

>>146619022
If I want to play Unlimited Codes is it worth it to work with the JP only PS2 version or just go with the inferior but easier to work with PSP version? My history with PS2 emulation leaves me skeptical. I just want to do each character's arcade mode and fuck around in versus, nothing serious.

>>146625308
Best ending in Fate is the UBW Tiger Dojo where Archer won, probably takes Saber as his waifu in Heroic Spirits realm afterwards.

Shiroufags can suck my dick, Tiger Dojo is just as canon as any other endings and there's nothing you could do about it.

>>146624820
It triggered secondaries because it was a good thread, so now they need a shitposting thread.

>>146620010
Raku from Nisekoi

Illya

>>146621960
>Fate Zero is so massively superior to Fate Stay Night

Maybe if you're easily swayed by grimdark action and don't enjoy depth in your characters.

>>146625824
Neither series has depth.

>>146620802

She does, it's pretty much that she was on Sakura's side for both her own self-satisfaction as someone she feels is similiar to her, and her own brand of penance.

Problem is, her mentality is broken and her values are twisted at times. She isn't the only Servant like that.

>>146625863
Impressive.

>>146624757
>FSN VN a shit. It's way too long, 50,000 words too wordy, and repetitive. As other anons pointed out, ho blah blah blah every morning before the MC wakes up.
You're lacking enough attention span then, 50,000 words is not that long and if you don't read it in one seating like an idiot NEET. The 3 routes are still separate stories and obviously since we are looking at Shirou's POV that monologue will be repeated, except the Saber on the hill sequence, as it only appeared in fate route, WHICH is Saber's route. Uhm... dumb? really? seems like you lacked the capability to understand the things the series tackles, even if you can read minds of people, in words even(though it's obvious you only read the fan translation). F/Z? That's a fucking Light Novel, an entirely different medium than VN and only contains one straight narrative story, of course you won't get any monologues there, not to mention it is designed to be a Greek tragedy and prequel to VN(but not a straight one, since FZ is still considered a side-story, like prillya). Fate/extra? The only advantage it have is it is also a RPG, so you have something to do rather than just reading text, it's story presentation is still same as FSN, hell I actually think it is much worse than VN in that regard(damn boring Pryce), it only improved a lot in CCC(still untranslated) in many ways. Maybe read the context of those scenes, try to use your brain for once, analyze why it happened, why would they do that, their motivations for doing that, the impacts that certain action did to other characters etc. and not just take everything at face value and base it on real life logic.

>>146625863
FZ also has better action sequence. The best fight in FSN is the first fight with Archer vs. Lancer

>>146626017
That's petty much the only reason to like either series. The action. There's not much more either offer beyond that.

>>146619022
I like him. Seems like a good annoying little brother/cum dump.

>>146619022
Shirou is my favorite F/SN character. Honestly, if you don't like it you either haven't read the VN or your sense of JUSTICE is SEVERELY lacking.

>>146626012
>Maybe read the context of those scenes, try to use your brain for once, analyze why it happened, why would they do that, their motivations for doing that, the impacts that certain action did to other characters etc. and not just take everything at face value and base it on real life logic.

Nothing can change the fact that Shirou's a shit MC, dumb and proud to be dumb. There's nothing to be analyzed from him, he's a one note dumbass and proud of his ignorance. It makes it really hard to root for him, you know the basic thing MC should do for their audience.

>>146626017
I say that Shirou vs Kotomine is one of the only good things about HF.

>>146624759
Within the Nasuverse, he ranks pretty high up.

>>146625380
Both versions emulate fine. If your PC is bad then just do the psp version since that emulator works on black magic.

>>146619022
He's my fucking waifu, asshole. Not even being ironical.

>>146626103
Maybe not much more to offer to someone incapable of understanding anything more complicated than fights.

>>146624757

>Also as other anons pointed out, the Tiger Dojo ending is a crapshoot. Blah blah blah cery shopping in the board daylight when Saber's knocked out. Yeah great fucking idea.
Of course he'll do that, do you think, he'll coop himself at home to avoid them? Let the grail war affect his current way of living? Fully listen to enemy masters? Go against his belief? There's so many reason why he didn't do that, and there is also the amount of surprise his action does to others, not to mention the fact that he got serious issues, fucked upped brain and twisted perception of others that I can't even self insert to. Self-inserting to someone who has obvious multiple psychological issues is retarded, so it's retarded for someone to think he is a self insert protag.

>>146624735
I know but they are considered like two different chars.

>>146626299
Well it's obvious in this post of yours that your just one of the common secondary scrub of every medium of story telling, thinking every protagonist should always do the right thing, do things right and be perfect, the very definition of SELF INSERT.
Not bothering with the rest of you mindless babbling then.

>>146626215
People don't like good old fashioned JUSTICE these days anon.

People these days like perfect, methodic, and realist MCs. Idealism is looked down upon.

>>146626745
Red man is also Shirou, the same starting point much like Fate Shirou, UBW Shirou, and HF Shirou being different characters with the same base not to mention Extra Emiya FGO Emiya and Miyuverse Shirou.

>>146626299
>really hard to root for him, you know the basic thing MC should do for their audience.

Naive.

>>146626789
There is a difference between mc being perfect and not being mentally challanged/not being rude/actually listening to what his allies and freinds say
Also, shirou is the definition of a mary sue character.
Whatever retarded thing he does he gets away with it every time
>muh 40 bad ends
Most of the bad ends are actually the result of more logically correct choices, and the "good" ends have him acting rude and retarded by doing the exact opposite what his servant and ally tell him to, get in a dangerous situation solely because of being retarded, and still getting off unscathed

>>146626906
But many like Archer yet hate Shirou.

I like Shirou.
He can be stereotypically dense at times, and sexist (like a lot of anime MC's), but he's cute and can cook.
Plus he just seems like a good guy.

>>146627052
Actually, many bad ends are from some bad choices. Some are more or less 'Give up & hope the enemies don't kill you anyway " while others are "You have a chance at victory, don't go for it".

>>146620010
Goku is a piece of shit MC.
But I agree, he can carry DBZ all by himself since the series is complete shit as well.

>>146627256
Its actually pretty random from what I've seen
I usually saved before making choice and did all two/three.
Though I cant deny that sometimes the most retarded thing actually saved him and his party

I do

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>>146627394
No, the action scenes carry it.

>>146627543
>VERY fast sper-saiyns fightin at an INCREDIBLY high speed
It's shit

>>146627052
See, you can't even use the meaning of Mary sue properly, yet you try to separate being perfect to having issues? Come on, I know it's not bad to self insert to "awesomes" MC who can do everything right, listen to his allies, caring of them, not rude blah blah blah but sorry commoner scrub, Shirou's not meant to be perfect mc, he is a flawed machine acting like a human, don't look for something that is not there to begin with.
There are a vastly large amount of perfect and edgy self insert MCs your looking for in the market, commoner, trying to look that here will never get you anywhere.
Well as if you understand what I meant anyways, I wish you do.

>>146626215
Shirou knows he's pretty garbage at justice.

>>146619022
Better than the bishie edgelord characters like Archer, Lancer and Giru.

>>146627963
Not him but Shirou doesn't act anywhere near "" human."" A brain damaged bumbling autistic person maybe, but he's certainly not making rational decision based on well thought logic.

>>146627963
My thoughts exactly>>146628532 and what I said in my previous post.
But fatefags are retarded and always keep shifting the goalposts and act like I said something I didnt.
These threads go nowhere, why do I even keep coming back. Its like talking to 15 year olds over and over again.
Fate should be given the naruto treatment on /a/

>>146627963
You actually realise there could be more characters in between the two, edgelord mary sue mc, and retard mc who does does nothing right?
Those characters are generally better than those two, but shirou is not one of those, he belongs in either of the two above stated.

>>146628728
Huh? You just found this >>146628532 uninformative idiotic post and you act like you are right? You really are a pathetic commoner aren't you? You guys can't even understand the phrase "flawed machine acting like a human" yet you try to say you understand?
>much Naruto much moving the goal post
the fuck? You can't even give a decent argument yet you try to use another phrase even if you don't know what it means? Well I see you are running away to save your pathetic ass anyways so bye commoner scrub.

>>146619022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUs8FEsDUZ4

Pretty sure everyone does.

>>146628532
Why do I feel it's always the same guy posting messages like this?

>>146629023
Of course there is more, did I say anything there that these are the only types? And now you just abruptly joined the discussion why not justify why Shirou belongs to those two only then and not just jump in and say "your wrong", By the way, separate the three routes mc, since they are actually different characters with the same starting point.

>>146629326
Don't know, but I don't care though, it's just the same blabbering why Shirou is not perfect, he is retarded so he's just self insert blabbering mumbo jumbo.

>>146623082
>Reading LOTR first doesn't make the Hobbit less good
It actually does. You should always read the Hobbit before the The Lord of the Rings, the latter also is worse if you haven't read the Hobbit first.

>>146627052
>Most of the bad ends are actually the result of more logically correct choices
That's because you are supposed to choose the choices more fitting for Shirou, not for you.

Well gotta go to sleep, enough laugh about the "Shirou is self insert mumbo jumbo" commoner self-inserts.

>>146623082
>Reading LOTR first doesn't make the Hobbit less good.
It does actually. The Hobbit felt like a childish proto-version of LOTR after reading that one first.
Didn't enjoy it nearly as much as I probably would have had I read them in the "right" order.
There's no excuse to being a secondary.