How does learning Japanese affect your enjoyment of anime?

pro: understand better
con: it's no longer as magical and otherworldly as it used to be before learning.

>>146582569
I wouldn't know....

>>146582569

It deepens it. I enjoy learning about the aspects of another culture through their language.

>>146582569
Just makes you angry at the insane liberties taken by most translators.

Sometimes you get that dumb pun that can't be translated, and you laugh.

I didnt enjoy anime anymore, then learnt jap and still dont really enjoy it anymore, I just read VNs instead

>>146583120
Then don't asnwer, silly.

>>146583211

The first couple of seasons of JoJo were unbearable, thanks to those god-awful translations.

>>146583211
You'll calm down once you start descending Mount Stupid.

>>146582569
_ nice not having to look at the subtitles
_ can identify disembodied voices, accents, dialects, etc.
_ can't watch trollsubs anymore.

>>146583211
this

I understand things better, as well as some cultural references.

Also, I can tell that anime is truly shitty because the way characters speak is absolutely not how real folks speak.

Also japanese women being passive aggressive as fuck is true in both 3D and 2D

>>146582641

True that my man

It was making anime look way worse so I stopped learning.

I enjoy it more than before because everything flows a lot more naturally, and has much more personality due to all the quirks in the japanese language that are lost in translations. Those onomatopoeia (including faux ones), formal/honorific language, weird/uncommon sentence-ending particles that are staples of certain archetypes such as the じゃロリs or something like that character from S;G who says だお, crudeness/impolite way certain characters speak, all the different dialects (there's a lot more than kansai)... it's a lot more of an immersive experience. I frankly find it hard to use subtitles at all these days.

>>146583211
Why would you even care about translations anymore when you can speak the language yourself?

Dont learn nip for anime, eventually you grow out of it

>>146583812

Presumably when you're at that painful halfway point where you understand large chunks but you can't register everything that's happening.

>>146582641
>>146583499
>>146583576
any cliche lines or examples that lose their feeling of enjoyment when spoken

Whats the best way to learn moon speak?

>>146584053

Learn Hiragana and Katakana. Then embark on the great Kanji deathmarch.

>>146583673

>character from S;G who says だお

Who?

>>146584053
You will just regret it

>>146582569
Pros from my experience
>Don't have to watch the anime, instead sometimes I just listen to it not looking at the screen while cooking.
>I can play japanese games w/o subs or voice dub, especially ones that are LN style which rarely gets English adaptations
>I don't have to pay much attention to the subs while watching anime, and I can laugh at the jokes instantly
>I can go to Japan and communicate just fine in Akihabara

predy good m8

>>146583906
I'm 42 and happy I didn't 'grow out of it'.

>>146584281
Honestly I don't know what I'm more scared of. Growing out of it, or not growing out of it

>>146583906

>Ever growing out of anime

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-vz1_l67kk

As someone who isn't far in their studies of the language just yet, it feels good to be able to at least read signs, or potato chip bag labels if their written in hiragana or katakana.

Cliche anime lines also lose their wonder once you actually know what they mean.

>>146582569
Not only of anime, but also of games and japanese LN. In the original language, the Fate series are sometimes really very poetically written. In english, it only sounds like shit because it fucks up the phrasing and mental images.

I get to watch raws sooner, laugh at how horrible so-called "professional" subs tend to be and now mostly avoid Western communities.

Not saying the last thing to be mean. As an example, if I like LNs, I don't need to discuss the latest flavor-of-the-month isekai work machine translated from Chinese machine translations, so Western communities have nothing for me.

>>146584199
Weres the best place to start? I already know some chinese, will that help in learning Japanese?

>>146584479

If you know some Kanji, that's pretty invaluable.

https://www.tofugu.com/japanese/learn-hiragana/

Here, I learned Hiragana and Katakana in one night thanks to this.

>>146582569
>How does learning Japanese affect your enjoyment of anime?

it takes a lot of shine off it when you realize how shit half the VAs are (english dub level shit), how basic and infantile the language is, and how bad the animation is in a lot of series (something you probably don't notice as much when you spend time reading subs)

how do you guys learn moonspeaks? going to class or learning it by yourself?

>>146584557
Your language is no better, hwabyung pal.

>>146584479

There's a Daily Japanese Thread here every day that has some awesome resources. The short version is memorize kana > memorize kanji > learn vocabulary.

>>146584199
I found Akihabara mostly boring after few visits. It was pretty thrilling the first time in an eroge shop though.

>>146584596
i don't mean moonspeak is infantile. I mean the moo speak used in many anime is really low level moonspeak. about on the level of watching sesame street.

of course considering how illiterate most LN authors are, i guess we shouldn't be surprised when the dialogue in the anime turns out be be about about the level of a 3rd grader.

>>146584594

There's more than enough learning resources online to allow you to accomplish it that way.

I've just started, but I'm honestly kind of excited to learn a foreign language, especially one as alien as Japanese.

>>146584594
Anki every day for vocab practise and just read as much as I can. I also joined a Japanese guild in a mobage and I try to speak with them as much as I can.

>>146584639
>memorize kana > memorize kanji > learn vocabulary
Studying kanji individually is mostly a waste of time. It's much better to study vocabulary (and grammar of course) right after learning the kana, and only check the individual kanji whenever you have trouble memorizing a word

>>146584678
i tried long time ago with a basic japanese language book. it didnt work as well as i would thought
how should i start now?

>>146584672
Fair enough. I though you're some hwabyung'd gook.

>>146583211
yep
pretty much cant use fansubs because of this
commie/gg are complete trash

>>146583211
>not watching raw
I'm sure you "know" jap

>>146582569
>character says: "I don't know"
>subtitles: "I don't understand"

I'm at beginner level, but c'mon, that's like first sentence you learn.

>>146584779

https://www.tofugu.com/japanese/learn-hiragana/

Do that. You could learn Hiragana in a few hours. It'll give you a great confidence boost. Then do the Katakana, which will take about the same time. Once that's done, you can take the standard "Hello, thanks, etc" courses.

>>146584740
I'd say if you can blast through RTK1 in ~6 weeks or so it'll help a lot with vocabulary. The first time I tried that I got stuck and it was a huge waste of time, but I came back with discipline and got it done and now Core2K/6K is going pretty breezy

>>146583906

Most anime isn't even aimed at kids. How the fuck do I grow out of it? That's like saying I'll grow out of action films.

>>146584479
Chinese and Japanese are like 40% the same.

Knowing Chinese will greatly help you learn Japanese, since the Grammar is pretty similar.

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>>146584479
learn hiragana/katakana, learn basic grammar, maybe do core 2k, then start in on the cycle. consume material (written and auditory), write down what you don't know (and shove it into anki), look up/refresh yourself on grammar if something seems iffy. keep at it for years. rereading these things is also invaluable, you will be amazed at how many stupid mistakes you will make as a beginner even with relatively easy material.

knowing kanji can help you guess at the meaning sometimes, or retain it better when you learn it. it will help, but you still need to learn how to read it.

>>146584938
This is not actually true.

>>146583202

"Fuck America." -Japan

>>146582569
I learned japanese through watching anime fucking shoot me,, so I can't really say. Understanding the characters better is cool, I hated when I first started watching anime in Japanese and had a huge mental disassociation between the subs and the voices.

Knowing what all the cliche phrases and words are is fun, because I can really get the emotions behind a sentence instead of just vaguely guessing at the tone of their voice.

It improved my enjoyment of anime by a lot.

>>146584869
noice. how long did it took you to learn jap? can you write moonrunes as well?

>>146584938
>the Grammar is pretty similar
Chinese and Japanese grammar are nothing alike

>>146584281
This

>>146582569
Not well. I'm Korean and when my parents found out I was studying Japanese they forbid me from watching anime and having any contact whatsoever with Japanese media.
All because some great-grandparent of mine was killed during WW2 and my family is apparently still butthurt about it.

>>146585123
h-how?? i found watching anime completely unhelpful to my learning process

Basically this >>146583673
Also I too was afraid that the "magic" would go once I started to understand what they're saying, but it actually improved my enjoyment of the language.

Learning the japanese only for anime would be a waste though so unless you also want to play some untranslated VNs and JRPGs I wouldn't recommend spending time on it.

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>learn japanese
>realise i don't actually like the japanese voices
>watch dub

>>146584556
>invaluable
Invaluable means valuable. What a language!

>>146585495
Really? I watched a lot of anime with all 3 forms of subs, so maybe that's why, but I probably couldn't have learned japanese if I hadn't spent so much time watching anime.

>>146585634
Said no one ever. Dubs are ear rape.

>>146585678
>>146585123

Can you read VNs?

>>146585767
I'm watching the Initial D dub (Funimation, tokyopop is shit) right now and I like it more than the original

>>146585780
Not them, but I can. And I mean read as in read, not stumble through by looking up words in a dictionary. But I guess that's the stepping stones stage you need to pass.

>>146584173
Fat dude.

>>146585135

Just starting, but I learned Hiragana and Katakana in a few hours.

>>146585850
Initial D is shit.

>>146585856
Well, can you comfortbaby read the titles such as Baldr sky or WA2?

>>146585912
You're shit

>>146585972
Yeah. Baldr Sky isn't even head, there's just some technical lingo that might stumble you initially.

>>146585972
>>146586017

Fuck I mistook "not them" for "not all of them". I thought you were the "I learned japanese through anime" anon.

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>http://animelon.com/

>YFW there is a site full of anime (and not little stuff, big hits like SnK, Fullmetal Alchemist etc) where you can decide what and how many subtitles you can use (Kanas, English, Kanji) as well as slowing down the video, while also being able to individually look at each subtitle character

>>146582569
The best part is feeling like you have a legit excuse for watching so much of it. You can justify it to other people and since TV isn't really a proper hobby, practicing a language at the same time makes it so.

>>146582569
Anime specifically? Not much. Manga or other reading media, be it a LN, a VN or even a book? Greatly. Also porn. I pity people begging for translations of new doujinshi or tanks.

>>146585856
Is Dies Irae really good or just a meme?

>>146586263
I dunno, I didn't play that yet.

>know enough japanese to see a bad translation, understand puns, and appreciate the general feel of a sentence
>not nearly enough to watch raw
I really need to hit the books harder because understanding the language better does make anime much more enjoyable.

Question for the fluent anons here: do you spend much time on Japanese anime sites? 2ch, etc.

>>146587418
On EGS and B_____k.

I kept watching more stuff because I had Japanese subs for them and they helped my learning.

>>146587418
Just watch some SoLs without subs.
Doesn't matter if you don't understand half of it, just keep watching. You'll understand more the more you watch.

desu the only bad part about learning moon is that you stop reading scanlations and the shit you want never gets any raws, so you get stuck waiting months for a tank release.

is there a site that tells me the actual order of hiragana like when you're in a shop and looking for a CD?

>>146587876
What do you mean?

>>146587876
What site doesn't list them in order?
Just keep in mind that shops etc often only show the -a hiragana for the whole group of 5.

>>146587876
realkana.com has the chart as the Japanese use it and allows you to break it up into rows and test yourself on them.

>>146582569
It helps me make a few cultural connections that I otherwise wouldn't have but that's about it.

>>146582569
It improves it. That's the only real answer. Take it from someone who used to not know it and then learned it over the course of a few years. Anyone saying anything else is either lying or didn't like anime to begin with.

Not relying on CR or fan translators and actually being able to understand what's being said and the nuance in the lines and voice acting adds another level of enjoyment to it. If anyone says it's anything but a good thing, they're full of shit.

You recognize when subs are inaccurate. And you get a lot more of the puns and double-meanings to words.

>>146583211

The more you learn, the more you know you don't know. This applies to even translators, so basically this. Translating is hard so I don't blame them, but it's amazing how much meaning is actually lost in translation. You can even see it in threads on /a/ where other anons blatantly don't understand japanese cultural cues because of the subs and misunderstand characters.

>>146587418
You start out with small shows anon. I watch Bananya this season with subtitles turned off and understand almost all of it.

>>146582569
I can look away from the screen and know what's being said
Although for me it's just vaguely.

>>146589078
This

Well you don't look at the subtitles as much.

I watched Oldboy the other day though, and I had to force myself to look at the subtitles, my brain kept trying to parse the fucking Korean.

It also makes you racist towards those dog-eating Korean fucks.

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It's really great when you hear what the character says, and then you read the subtitle, and they don't match up. At all. And then you spend the rest of the episode obsessing over this one innocuous thing that really doesn't matter to how good the show actually is or how decent the subs might generally be. It's AWESOME

>>146584557
This is advanced bait for a dubfag so you deserve a (You)

>>146585634
>don't know Japanese
>prefer Japanese voices over shitty dubs
>people tell me that it's because I don't know the language so I don't know how shitty the voices really are
>5 years later, learning Japanese
>like the Japanese voices more than ever now that I understand them

こんにちは

>>146596204
こんばんは

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The best thing is that get access to a lot of stuff that you couldn't enjoy before because of the language barrier, like visual novels, light novels, doujins etc.

>>146583211
time to start translating it yourself please

>>146584053
>Go to DJT
>Read guide
>Succeed or die trying

>>146584053
Learning an actuallly useful language

>>146584053
Play Hiragana Warriors

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It makes me realize how much I prefer English as a language. I've also studied French and Latin and I also find those to be infinitely more enjoyable to learn and to speak.

Seriously, Japanese is shit.

>>146597019
Latin? Next thing you'll tell me is that you enjoyed learning Greek

But how do I appreaciate real Japanese kino?

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>>146597191
I haven't really studied Greek. All my knowledge of it is second-hand. I imagine it would be pretty cool to know though, since so many languages have borrowed from it.

>>146582569
I only know rudimentary nip but it's nice to be able to pick out several words and sentences when listening to Japanese audio that hasn't been translated.

>>146597019
I studied Latin in high school and despite being so similar to my language it was pretty shit

>>146582569
It allows me to keep it simple and appreciate and understand how something was intended to portray for personal interpretation and for reading through the material. i feel more cultured learning another language that I could use for a future skill set.

>>146597019
I've studied French and Spanish. Japanese was a lot more enjoyable.
French in particular can sound incredibly retarded and childish. It's the shittiest language I know 2bh, wish I could trade it for German or Portuguese.

>>146584390
That video just turned into pandering half way through.

>>146582569
Increased enjoyment a lot.

>>146583906
Started watching at 16. 31 now. No. *

*might require a base minimum level of autism

>>146597838
I took 2 and a half years of French in high school. At first I thought it sounded great but later just didnt enjoy the language. Ended up dropping it 2nd semester senior year.

>>146584053
An actual Japanese waifu.

>>146583925
That's the fucking worst

>>146584053
Get a grammar textbook and some moonrune flashcards

>>146584053
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/

>>146583211
Some concepts are hard to,translate or won't make much sense.

Personally the thing that stood out the most for me was that every character has their own tone depending on how it written (kanji katakana hiragana or a mixture) on top of their own unique speech patterns depending on their pronouns and the level of politeness they use. Unfortunately a lot of it is subtle and gets lost in translation which means you miss out on some character development

>>146584053
My friends and I all want to learn a language when we move in together next year, and we're looking at Japanese. Should be good

>>146600678
Even if you don't know moon, if you've listened to enough moonspeak it's pretty easy to tell by the tone. Reading the intended tone is a bit harder though.

>>146600889
>I don't know Japanese, but can detect subtle nuances because I've watched as lot of anime
I love this meme.

>>146600678
That's my favorite part too. Variations in speech that add a whole new level of character depth and really aren't translatable.
Then there's the whole gap of seeing characters use speech patters that don't match their appearance.

>>146600889
It's not the same m8. In all the years I listened to moonspeack I didn't pick up on how prominent and important this was until I actually learned the language.

>>146601070
Shit like a character talking like a punk is pretty fucking easy to pick up
I do speak Japanese, by the way

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>>146585678
>>146596281
こんばんワン

>>146601124
You're right, I'm sure people who don't understand moon can notice subtle differences in word choice and speech patterns as opposed to simple tone of voice.

>>146601124
Sure you can notice a difference in the tone, but you're not actually understanding it so that changes nothing. It's practically the same as noticing a different voice.

>>146585661
So valuable you can't put a value on it. Not valuable. Invaluable. It's stupid but still sort of makes sense.

>>146582569
I like being able to really tell with the voice acting. Also I like getting various puns and jokes. It's also nice to be able to watch things raw that never got translated or have them on when im doing something else.

Wish I could read it though I can do kana and that's about it.

I've watched a fuck ton of anime but can't pick out a kansai dialect at all.
I guess I can kinda tell the difference when it's pointed out in anime, which is often for some reason.

>>146601886
But reading is easier. Just use kanjitomo if you don't know kanji.

>>146601968
せぇやな

I can now actually tell when jap voice acting is bad

Is Shokugeki no Souma a good choice to pick as my first raw manga I read? I'd assume so because it's Jump.

>>146602065
Dialects a shit I hate them so much. In all languages.

>>146602175
Doubtful. I don't read it raw but it does use a lot of culinary jargon which would probably be hell in moon.

>>146602203
Please, kansai is baby tier. Try watching Barakamon raw without shooting yourself.

>>146602397
Wouldn't it just be katakana then?

>>146582569
I never learned it.

You fucking weebs.

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>how does learning japanese
>Implying you can

>>146602585
I literally have a folder for this character that I now fondly call, "dekinai-chan".

>>146602648
dump it

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>>146602697
Sure, but I don't have many. I've been planning on going to /djt/ and ask them to share more these days.

>>146602175
You might want something more SoLish. Since it's jump I'm imagining it has all sorts of heavy speech patterns in the dialogue.
DJT has a reading list with some easy manga.

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>>146602741
>inb4 /djt/ wants to post with these pictures and I have them dumped here
(笑）

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>>146602782

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>>146602829
A classic

>>146602857
This one gets me every time.

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>>146602757
>>146602757
Yeah, I think 2 female characters speak with an accent, if I remember properly.

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>>146602918

>>146602857
Black Science Man, huh? Seeing him wants to make me check out /sci/ again, but I know it would be a mistake.

Just started a Japanese Class in college, anyone have any study tips or experience?
Learning a language is pretty overwhelming, but it's the only class I actually look forward to.

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>>146602951
Plain ones left. Last one is just a closeup of this.

Makes me want to kill myself.

>>146583211
This

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>>146603003
Depends on your professors but they typically take like 2 weeks just to go over kana, which you can learn on your own in a few days. There's going to be a lot of talking, so don't sperg like a robot. You won't even start learning kanji until like the middle to end of the course, and you probably only learn a handful of them.

I self-studied on and off though, so I passed with an A. It was a fun as fuck class though.

>>146603003
Go to /djt/.
Study kanji from day one. Ignore your teacher if he tells you not to.
Do Anki erryday.
Once you get the hang of grammar start reading; doesn't matter if you know zero kanji, just plow your way through with kanjitomo.

Since you're in a class they'll probably be bitchy about stroke order, but you're essentially learning to read so don't sweat it.

>>146601968
Watch Lovely Complex, you'll definitely notice it.

>>146603323
You only need to read kana and slowly get onto kanji. Stroke order is important to learn about radicals. This is why you guys will never learn japanese.
>Anki
You can't learn japanese.

>>146597200
>kino
what does this shit even mean?
I see it a lot back in the olympic threads

>>146603323
ｓｔａｒｔ　ｗｉｔｈ　ｒａｄｉｃａｌｓ
ｙｏｕ　ｎｅｅｄ　ｔｏ　ｌｅａｒｎ　ｔｈｅ　ｒａｄｉｃａｌｓ

>>146603515
cinema

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>>146603515

>>146603514
There's no point in getting into kanji "slowly". When you read you're going to run into kanji. If you actually want to read without a text hooker you need to know them. No point in stalling it.
You can just learn the radicals first if it bothers you that much.
>learning vocab is bad
No, YOU can't learn japanese.

>>146587625
Seconding this. It works far better than you would expect. I never like SoL until it became my goto for learning new grammar/vocab.

>>146603003
Japanese 1 at my uni is literally just using genki and doing no kanji.

Basically shit. Learn hiragana/katakana, read tae kim grammar, do RTK (or kanjidamage), do anki vocab for 6k words (most people stop before 6k and just mine words they find through reading though). About over a year in all that.

Why is it that people are so friendly and encouraging in this thread, and then you go to DJT and it's full of autism and shitflinging?

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>>146603003
college japanese classes are so easy you'd almost have to try to fuck them up

I'm on my 4th class/semester right now and everything is a cakewalk. Just come to class with a genuine interest in learning, and do your motherfuckin anki reps

keep your weeaboo powerlevel in check too, its cringey as fuck when people start talking about anime, or saying anime shit in the classroom. on my first day last year, some guy introduced himself with 我が名は and the teacher lost her shit laughing at him

>>146584053
How did you learn your language?
Do you have a second language? How did you learn it?
Do the same.

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>>146605328
it was basically a mini anime club meeting when we went to our little lab to practice. Maybe I've been to so many conventions and stuff because I've become numb to the cringe and really enjoyed myself.
Trying to memorize the first 15 hiragana right now, doing ok.

>>146605328
>watch that anime
>hey there's this cute girl with explosions
>this bad ass here too
>what're they sayin?? what're they sayin??
>show up first day in north korean runes class
>today's my day to be cool
>cool with my ota-cool friends
>WAGA NAMAE WA...
that poor soul

>>146605134
This thread is marketing, while DJT is tech support.

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>>146605725

>>146605659
this was before konosuba even aired so im not quite sure where he even got it from. i had ptsd flashbacks to that first day- when megumin introduced herself

>>146583211
rubadubdub, thanks for the grub

>>146605470
Not the guy you were responding to, but the biggest advantage of taking a university Japanese class is having a native speaker on hand who has to deal with you and correct you, instructing you in what means what. It's invaluable. The pace of most classes is incredibly slow, so get ahead on vocab and grammar and do the DJT basics on the side. >50% of the people will have an interest in geimu, anime, etc, so it's also a good place to meet people with those interests. HOWEVER. Don't partner with them for exercises. Are there any korean or chinese people in the class (who speak those languages)? There's your new partner. They'll learn 3x as fast as you and will be a big help with pronunciation and correcting your grammar. Otherwise try to partner with the people who study hard and know what they are doing. Don't be talking about beserk in the back with the lazy weebs when you are supposed to be learning. My 2cents, as with anything college it's up to you to make the best of it.

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>>146600694
>moving in together with friends
>while learning moonrunes

it's either going to go really well, or really horrible. I hope you're prepared for both cases.

>>146605659
That's not even what she says fucktard.

>>146605836
Really, anon? You need to watch more anime. Even that weeb has higher powerlevel than you.

I'm gonna preface this by saying that I don't think anyone who hasn't actually lived in Japan can truly claim they speak Japanese - textbook Japanese is fine, but no one actually speaks like that, and the variety of nuance/dialects/omitted particles is truly astounding, to a degree that I don't think exists in other languages. There's no real way to get around this without direct, firsthand immersion; even a year living in the countryside with a family or living in your bubble with English speaking friends on a study abroad year isn't enough.

I've lived here a few years and even among friends who understand far better than I do, they admit that they only understand 70-80% of the native language used in actual conversation.

Anime uses pretty basic Japanese in comparison - everything kind of sounds the same (partly because of the seiyuu talent pool, but also because the language is just basic and could be understood by a 10 year old - they are cartoons, after all).

So with that said, I actually enjoy reading subs better. I think the language used by a good translator (not a Duwang-ish, Chinese boy learning three languages at once) often affects me more emotionally, because it's usually translated into English more poetically. Learning Japanese and noticing the differences in translations actually frustrates me and takes me out of the whole experience, and watching in Japanese makes me lose all interest because it feels so passive (I think you can notice ITT people saying they like that they can watch anime as background noise now, but I rather just listen to music).

Manga though, I definitely prefer in Japanese. The nuances of the written language are nearly impossible to translate into English in a satisfactory way, and only a few translators out there (Hox, the guy who did Shigeru Mizuki's translations) actually understand the language well enough to deliver the meaning and still preserve the tone of the original language.

How long does it take to understand video games and anime? How long should you study each day?

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Is this the thread where people pretend they know japanese when all they can do is maybe read kana and recognize some kanji?
このスレにどれぐらい日本語が出来る人がいるんだろうか
下手糞で書いてもすぐばれるしどうして匿名なくせに出来もしないことを自慢したがるの？アホくさい
日本語が出来ると主張するのに日本語で書くのが「こんにちは」「こんばんは」程度とは滑稽すぎる

>>146607539
It should take you 3-4 years if you study 2 hours every day.

>>146607539
The best advice I could give you is to after you got the basics down and are starting to learn kanji, keep writing them down. What I mean is, every few days or so, just get a blank piece of paper and write down all the kanji you know. Keep learning more of course, but by taking the time to sit down and remember the ones you know by writing them down, you'll remember them better in the end.

>>146607052
You and your friends experiences actually speak against the dumb belief that everything can be solved by living in the country of the target language.

Either way, you have not been diligent enough and/or used suboptimal strategies.

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How long does it take to learn Japanese well enough to ditch translations altogether?

>>146607900
I can vouch for that estimate. Also since your actual learning materials will be video games and anime it's actually not that far away. Expect to rely on a dictionary for many years.

>>146584347
I'm more scared of not growing out of it. If I hit twenty five and still get excited for shitty moeblob pandering I'll probably just an hero.

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>>146607817
P-please don't bully.
I don't think anybody was trying to show off or anything, forgive me senpai.

>>146608693
4 years of intense study.

>>146608762
Kek, see you in 5 years dude

>>146607817
This is the angriest shitpost I've ever seen, also your grammar is bad.

>>146608762
Sorry to say. You don't change much from 20 to 30 and beyond.
The only change you can count on is if you get family and slave away for your children any wife.
When that happens you will arguably need anime even more than you do now.

>>146608619
My point is that you can't learn the variety of language used and all the nuances unless you have direct interaction over a long period of time. No amount of book studying can prepare you for the real thing. You can speak, sure, and you can read signs, and maybe you can even learn some Kansai-ben, but you aren't going to understand why Ibaraki people always sound angry or why there are programs on tv making fun of the fact that even Japanese people can't understand people from Tohoku. There just aren't enough resources, (or enough resources past the beginner's stage where most drop out), to facilitate learning outside of studying the target language's native materials - and again, to have access to that, you practically have to live in the country.

>>146608697
It comes out to around 2,000 hours, which is the general estimate for learning Japanese.

The annoying part is that we could learn three or four romance languages in the same time.

>>146608693
I started reading my first raws two months in and never looked back. I still thought about using scanlations at first, but after a year you stop worrying.
It depends on how much vocab you've accumulated over the years and how quickly you can get the hang of grammar.

>>146608762
lmao. Age doesn't change anything about your interests. You do. There are a lot of good moe shows, and there is nothing wrong with loving them. Fuck, I'll probably be more mad at myself in 10 years if I stop liking K-ON!! than if I still like it. Out of curiosity, why are you so afraid of continued interest in anime? I'm only 23 but I know many adults in their late 20s, 30s, and even 40s who still enjoy anime

>>146608917
So if I start studying four hours a day, everyday, I can be sorta fluentish in a year and a half.

No way in hell that'll happen, see ya in ten years.

>>146608855
日本語で返答しないところでお察し
でも文法を間違っていたことを認めよう
「日本語を出来る人がいるんだろうか」に訂正しよう
お前はどうだ？日本語が上手でしょう？

>>146608945
I guess I just don't like people I meet that also like anime, especially as they get older. As every generic anime MC so rightly puts it, a quiet, boring, normal life is best--and anime seems to keep people from being quiet. Or normal.

>>146608917
>My point is that you can't learn the variety of language used and all the nuances unless you have direct interaction over a long period of time. No amount of book studying can prepare you for the real thing. You can speak, sure, and you can read signs, and maybe you can even learn some Kansai-ben, but you aren't going to understand why Ibaraki people always sound angry or why there are programs on tv making fun of the fact that even Japanese people can't understand people from Tohoku. There just aren't enough resources, (or enough resources past the beginner's stage where most drop out), to facilitate learning outside of studying the target language's native materials - and again, to have access to that, you practically have to live in the country.
I agree. Colloquial language is a beast.

>>146608969
As long as you stay diligent you will eventually reach your goal.

The only rule I had while learning Japanese was to read one hour a day. No matter what.

>>146608997
>が出来る
は間違っていないでしょう？

>>146585281
Hey man all they did was some rapes and some murders and some enslavement. What's the big deal, am I right?

>>146608997
I actually meant your English grammer
>Is this the thread where people pretend they know japanese when all they can do is maybe read kana and recognize some kanji?

Should be,

>Is this the thread where people pretend they know Japanese, when all they can do is maybe read kana and recognize some kanji?

>>146609320
Koreans deserved it.

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>>146583211

>>146609348
You know, the Koreans are so unimportant in history, that I can neither back or deny that claim.

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>>146608997
>日本語が上手でしょう
But see, nobody said this. There's no real reason to be upset, nobody's claiming to be a japanese master or something.

>>146609330
That's real clever and witty, really supports your argument.

>>146609022
As a general rule obnoxious people are obnoxious and peaceful people are peaceful. This leads many to believe that there are tons of obnoxious people or even that all people are obnoxious, but what's really happening is just that you can't rightly hear all the silence.

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>>146609427

>>146609022
Faggot, there's a reason why "don't reveal your power level" is a thing.

>>146609488
This.

>>146609235
ふむ、そうかい
間違っていなかったとは思っていたがやはり俺も未熟だったか
日本語出来るふりするやつらばかりだよここでは

>>146609575
追加するが自分が間違っていたと勘違いしていた、と言っているのです

>>146609433
>But see, nobody said this. There's no real reason to be upset, nobody's claiming to be a japanese master or something.

I'm actually more complaining about how everyone seems to be scared to talk in japanese because they're so shit at it, yet talk a good game about how "anyone who hasn't actually lived in Japan can truly claim they speak Japanese", or how "quirks in the japanese language that are lost in translations" but yet can't actually write in the language they profess to know. Note that I don't actually disagree with these statements, just that I feel that the people making them most likely don't even speak japanese and are just talking out of their assholes. With japanese, it's very easy to tell if your bullshitting about knowing the language, your written japanese will show as much. And you can't say you know a language if you don't even know how to write in it.

>>146582569
Pro: sometimes you get a bad translation but still understand what they are saying

Con: sometimes you get a bad translation and hate those useless cunts for being wrong

>>146582569
I definitely enjoy it more. Been studying for about 3 years now and I can understand most of it, but I still like to use subtitles.

>>146609898
Because this is an English language board and the point of this thread is that there are people who DON'T speak Japanese and are interested. What the's bloody point of explaining in Japanese when the people you're talking to don't fucking understand it?

Go to /int/'s Japanese thread or djt if you want your full moon experience. Otherwise, you're just being a smug asshole who completely missed the point of the posts. In which case, rather than Japanese, you should be brushing up on your English comprehension skills.

>>146610138
Kek, who are you to say what the point of this thread is? I'm supposed to ignore all the faggots that pretend to know something they don't, yet speak out as if they are some sort of authority on the subject? This thread is filled with people who pretend they know japanese, when they can't even type out a basic sentence in the language. How about you fuck off?

>>146597019
Latin, old Greek, Baguette and Nip. Greek just makes your head hurt though. Especially poets and Aristotle

>>146609575
Honestly your way of speaking sounds more fedora-tipping than it does the cool badass you imagine it to be.

>>146609898
This isn't DJT, man.

I'll fully admit that my production skills are shit and I prefer to speak with those who speak English (more direct, less ambiguity). My biggest problem is that I can read and listen, but I'm terrible at speaking and writing; it's understandably similar to how Japanese people are in their English ability.

That doesn't preclude everything I said before. I still stand by my point - most Japanese would laugh at how you type, and you'd probably be confused by what they say in turn, because their language isn't textbook Japanese and Japanese people (well, people in general) have no idea how to dumb things down or restate things in a way that makes sense. You can't stay you speak Japanese if you're only speaking the language with other foreigners (or sending a few lines over Hello Talk)

>>146610309
Ironic. Looks like you really need to brush up your english comprehension first before berating other people's Japanese.

Faggot, you yourself said
> I don't actually disagree with these statements
If the posts were made in japanese, there'll be no bloody point. It's just preaching to the choir. Those posts were made for the benefit of people who don't know moon. Context, retard, you need to understand that first. If you aren't actually stupid, you would have realised , you know, from the damn conversations that the posts are directed at people who can't speak Japanese. People who already know Japanese wouldn't need to be told those things.

> How about you fuck off?
After you fuck off, since I'm not the one letting ego to cloud my ability to understand how conversations work and being so mad to continuously miss the point of the posts you were berating.

>>146610413
日本に行ってＷｅｅａｂｏｏＤｒｅａｍを満喫せよ

>>146610413
>guy comes into a thread just to declare that he's the only one who knows moon and everyone is a faker and being pissed off that everyone else is having a pleasant discussion
>guy's post sounds more fedora-tipping
Really, were you expecting otherwise? That much is obvious from the get go.

>>146610309
now that's edgy

t. genuine

>>146610491
He's just trying to show off his N3 ability man.

>>146610543
I'm actually pretty scared I'll marry my girlfriend and just turn into one of those old guys who owns an English school and always doubt whether I left just because I couldn't make it with white girls. Feels bad.

>>146610548
I've given up as of, "How about you fuck off?"

>>146585495
Im a little below >>146587418 level and did what >>146587625 did.
For me it was really easy to start picking up moon. I speak spanish too and it really helped that the pronunciation was the same and the fact that im constantly translating for people, so i understand how a language works and that sometimes things dont exist in another language.

>>146605659
If i could, i would learn to speak just like megumin. And i would never go back

>>146583211
This is the first sign that you need to git gud. If you actually knew a decent amount of Japanese, you wouldn't need the translations.

>>146610491
>If the posts were made in japanese, there'll be no bloody point.

It's like you missed the whole point of what I said. If you can't even type out a coherent sentence in japanese, who are you to say that a translation is bad, or that you need to have lived in japan to truly know japanese? You speak a lot about english comprehension skills but you seem to be lacking in them yourself.

All that I'm saying is step up your fucking game. If you're going to say you know japanese and speak about this and that, at least know how to talk in the fucking language or else any contribution you could make to the discussion is fucking useless. If I couldn't write a coherent english sentence should I be saying I know the language?

>>146607817
>>146608997
火病-kun, so good to see you!

>>146610643
You know what, you're right.

>>146610687
(You).

It ramped up my enjoyment of Rakugo Shinju like 1000000%.

On a plane trip the OST recording of Yotaro doing the Dekigokoro story came up and I was snorting out loud by the first few lines of it. My transformation into a middle-aged Japanese man is complete.

>>146610721
>火病-kun
Please don't tell me this guy's another resident autist of some thread. Shit man, it's like every thread I go, there's now a dedicated autist who police the threads when the topics don't go their way.

>Start japanese lessons on Rosetta Stone
>4 different ways to write it

I should have picked french or italian

>>146607817
勉強しろくそ皮かぶり野郎

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>>146610721
>火病
Is there a place where I can look up all the pejorative korean related terms the nips have? Their resentment is so funny.

>>146607052
>even a year living in the countryside with a family
It is if you leave the house occasionally instead of hanging around and talking to nobody but them. If you intend to really learn than not using every available chance to observe and listen to the language being spoken in a natural day-to-day setting is a huge waste of time.

>>146610687
Man, you are performing on so many levels of ironies and in lack of so much self-awareness that your posts just make me laugh. This is why I can never leave /a/. The way some of you sperg out and acting all self important is entertaining as hell.

>>146582569
You get insane OCD level irritation at hearing segments you understand while reading subtitles that are slightly different from how you are interpreting the language as you hear it. Very annoying sometimes.

>>146610830
>チョン
> (n) (1) (derog) (sl) (sens) Korean (person); (2) idiot

Stay mad, Japan.

>>146610643
>always doubt whether I left just because I couldn't make it with white girls
If you're having these doubts then I think you already know the answer.

>>146610830
火病 is a genuine, recognized syndrome.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hwabyeong

朝鮮ヒトモドキ is what I saw for example as an insult.

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>>146610830
fuck, I'm setting Korean Anger Syndrome as my handle on every SNS platform that it's not too long for.

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I bet the nips in 2ch who read moon-translations of these threads think were all stupid for arguing about whos best at moon.

>moon=日本語

I wonder if they call english sun?

>>146610836
It really isn't though. Plus you have to deal with the "microaggressions" and casual xenophobia of the older generations that usually make up those small towns, and the fact that there's generally just not a whole lot to do outside of the major city centers.

>>146610956
>not doubting everything as a matter of principle
When I first left, some 70 year old lady at my office said, "Aw, that's so cute. You're going to come back with a beautiful Asian wife, aren't you?"

I refused to even flirt with Japanese girls for the first six months because of that.

>>146611076
If you're so much of a pussy that you let that shit get to you, you ain't gonna make it in Japan.

Pretty much without exception, the people that flat-out say offensive shit or make rude assumptions about foreigners are either ignorant, jealous, or both. The answer isn't to wring your hands over what they think; you gaijin stride all over town while using your mastery of their language and social graces to endear yourself to the cool people and piss off the lame people even further.

>>146610775
That fedora-tipping 上から目線 style of posting reminds me of 火病-kun from /v/ and /vr/. He's also known to use 2ch slang. Personally I consider that tryhard as shit, but I guess to each their own.

>>146611170
>一人の少年がとある少女に恋をします。
>人の少年がとある少女に恋をします。
NO

Reading a lot of comments about people learning kana in one night. I guess this isn't the worst way to find out I'm retarded.

>>146611218
>you ain't gonna make it in Japan
I've been here for years, I think I'm okay.

I've had drunk construction workers start shit with me and call my girlfriend an Asian whore for being with me though. There's a bit more extremism in Tokyo than I experienced when I first lived in the countryside, where it was mostly confined to older men coughing or spitting, but it's a bit ignorant to say acknowledging those faults in society exist means you just aren't cut out to be a true 内人。

>>146611228
>上から目線
I see that sort of attitude pretty often on /a/ though. You know, elitism and shit. Though of course, most of the time, it's just being condescending while only having half-assed knowledge of the topics. But yeah, it is pretty tryhard alright.

>>146611076
Speaking of cuties, how hard is it to find a hot grill? Getting a girlfriend wouldnt be a problem, but from google images and youtube interviews, alot of the grills are kinda ugly. How often do you find goddess-tier qt3.14s?

>>146611330
Nobody learns kana in one night.

>>146611330
>believing the words of people on the internet.

>>146611330
There's a lot of dick waving. There's a book for learning it in 3 days that's fairly accurate, but that doesn't mean your recall will be perfect - it just means you'll have had enough time to learn the 46 mnemonics and slowly recall them.

Don't feel bad though, the same way you misread words in English, people misread words written in kana. ぬ and ね, for instance.

>>146611418
Imagine how attractive the girls learning Japanese at college are - they're generally overweight weeaboos. Imagine the guys probably posting ITT.

Now reverse it, and that's people in Japan who learn English. Most are generally either a little bit weird, or have rich parents. It's the latter who are usually the sluts hanging out at gaijin bars trying to get a boyfriend to look flashy and international around for a few months. Which is fine and all, you just have to know what the relationship is ahead of time.

My grill's little sister is fluent and cute as hell, and she's openly said she will never get with a white guy. I think a lot of Japanese people learn the language for business, whereas we learn it for masturbation/sex. Those people are generally the more well-off, attractive people.

>>146608997
上手ですよ。でも時と場所を考えています。あなたと違って、ね。ここは英語の掲示板です。自分の日本語を自慢したいなら、DJTへどうぞ。

>>146609689
>間違っていたと勘違いしていた
過去形は二回要らない。あと、言い方がとても不自然です。正しくても「間違っていないと思っていた」より、例えば「合ってる様に思ったが」の方がいいです。
悪くないけど、勉強がまだまだ足りませんね。

>>146601968
The only two dialects I know of are Akita-ben (Japanese equivalent of Australian dialect, IMO) and the Kansai-ben.

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>>146611652
>whereas we learn it for masturbation/sex.

I think I got it backwards then. I learned it for business, but ended up using it for masturbation. There are probably very few worse feelings on this planet.

Speaking of Japanese learning English though...

>>146611652
This makes so much sense. Thanks anon-sama. So where do i find the kosaki onodera type of girl that cooks and cleans while she drains money? Id like to avoid the type you described. Do i go out to the country like flying witch? Or make friends with whatever locals are around and ask if they have any cute daughters that will have my child?

>>146612007
Man, I have no idea what references you're even making. I'm only interested in 70s/80s anime, I feel so out of place with the modern weeb.

I'm unemployed but I got my grill a high paying job, so she gives me money and I just clean the house and take care of things. Just sleep with your coworkers, that's what I did.

You should only go after Christmas Cake too. That part helps a lot.

>>146612147
Sorry. Since were all anons this is the only place i can weeb out. Irl i drive around with a suit and tie. What i was saying was where do i go to find a girl who is the opposite of >>146611652 and cute?

>>146611993
It should be ペニ　and not ペン.

>>146612302
Well, that would make sense if she had said "peni" but she didn't and was cut off at "pen." Firstly they're speaking English, secondly, just because japanese writing is separated that way doesn't mean that the actual spoken word would be.

There is also the either unintentional or intentional humor that the guy who made this thought that the "pen" in penis sounds like the ten in tennis.

>>146612291
Parks, festivals, community events, even asking someone to help you read a kanji and striking up a conversation can work. I don't really have a PUA guide but I think those tactics generally work in Asia, because women are more unaware of the Western version (and coming from a foreigner, it doesn't seem like Japanese's ナンパ）

In general, most women in Japan are the the quiet, nice housewaifu-ish type. There's not the sort of segmenting of society into types that you see in the West (high school culture as a microcosm of the "real" world's social stratification), and "different" types of people usually occupy the same places. This might sound confusing but I basically mean unless you're pushing your way into subcultures, you're generally gonna find the same type of people because the culture looks down upon variation/sticking out. The slutty, gaijin hunting girls at the bar are a minority, but even there, you'll find the "other" type sitting in the corner or at with work friends.

>>146612494
>"pen" in penis sounds like the ten in tennis.
Maybe not in American English but there's going to be a regional variation where it does.

>>146612625
Thanks man. The 'sticking out' part made it all click. Ill be sure to follow your advice if i ever visit

>>146612838
As true and as likely as that may be, penises is also not spelled "pennises" so it's humorous regardless.

>>146601070
Tone and contextual understanding are easier to pick up than meaning. It's the first method that any sentient being uses to communicate with something that doesn't comprehend its speech.

>git gud enough at japanese to start turning off subs ever now and then
>realize that I'm missing 80% of my anime because I'm always fucking distracted by reading

At least it's beneficial in the case of shows with no animation budget.

>>146611330
Hiragana takes one night. Katakana takes fucking forever to actually commit to memory because it's never actually used.

>>146584053
Quickly and effectively? Be in a situation that forces you to use it verbally and textually on a daily basis. So aside from actually traveling to Japan, your best bet is always going to be formal classes. And I know this is gonna get a lot of hate from the self-taught folks on here, but the difference is night and day. It's the same with all foreign language study; we learn fastest under through immersion and expectations.

>>146582569
watching anime on sites like nicodouga and other similar sites with the scrolling text makes it a lot more enjoyable. they'll point out puns and other jokes you'd normally miss. the downside is some of them will post spoilers

Why is some shit pronounced differently for no real reason in animu

Like when ja nai becomes ja nei or ja ne or shit like that

>>146614303
Characterization through the degree of politeness. Like when the Japanese add a hint about the kind of person they are by using 'ore' or 'boku'. My superior at work is a guy younger than me who uses 'ore', and his superior (my boss) uses 'boku'. It tells a lot about the kind of persons they are. My superior uses 'ja ne' when he's irritated, but only towards younger males who fucked up under his directives. Which is accepted by both. It's very complicated, but at the same time, very useful.

>>146614119
I agree, plus it's the only way to appreciate hilarious things like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhmT63VEBJw

>>146614375
That makes a lot of sense, been bugging me

Thank

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トイレはどこにありますか?

>>146614402
>原曲がログアウトしました
My fucking sides!!

>>146612625
All in all, do you think a foreigner who moves over there will be fully accepted by the locals as one of them over time or they'll always be treated as someone different?

Also, and I know this is completely unrelated, is it really so dangerous to download copyrighted material? I heard they even lock people up for that

>>146614465
家の猫のでよければどうぞ。

>>146614465
悪い、ありません。

>>146611330
Hiragana takes more than one night. Just do a little bit each day and it will stick. You can get the rest of the characters down learning different words and it will eventually stick

Katakana you can skip for a while and go back to as its not super important to know starting out. Or you can learn it as you learn more words that use Katakana

>>146614375
Both ore and ja ne sound like something Coldsteel the Hedgeheg would use.

>>146614520
After 15 years, I'd say it's like everywhere in the world. People who like you will support and befriend you, like some of my clients at the shop of my colleagues. But there are also people who can't stand you as a human being who behaves a way they can't understand, or as a foreigner. What is great with the Japanese is that they open their hearts easily, b ecause they're curious. Even if they don't like foreigners, if you can communicate they will try to have a dialogue. Then if you know how to handle them, you can quite easily make them consider you as a 'special' foreigner they can accept. That happens really often with me, and elder japanese people. They can't resist a smile, so it's funny yo see how you can charm them.

>>146614577
But real people use both really naturally and often. I've seen different cases for both, I'd say that it's like Shintoism and Buddhism: they choose freely in function of the situation. Of course there are some of them (the even younger ones) who make mistakes, especially when they've never worked before. The people around them immediately affirm their own position, and it gets better soon, but still...

>>146614551
Do it the other way around. Katakana is instant gratification while Hiragana is mainly useful in the big picture with Kanji and all.

>>146608762
I'm 26, more weeb than I've ever been, and also doing great in life. I'd hate myself if I ever stopped loving my hobbies.

>>146610948
携帯が道を見つけた

必ず

>>146585495
It helps if you know what you're listening to. If the audio is just noise to you and you can't even differentiate between words, it obviously won't help any, but it's good for building vocab and learning phrases and grammar.

>>146610775
>Please don't tell me this guy's another resident autist of some thread. Shit man, it's like every thread I go
Downright mentally sick individuals are all over 4chan. They make the site and their niche on the site their entire life it seems.

>>146584053
Take a class to learn the basic grammar and memorize kanji. Then read Japanese books a lot. Start by reading raw manga.

>>146582569
You come to realize how retarded the literal translation fags are when even simple things like tadaima wouldn't make any sense at all at all if you translated them literally.

>>146613721
Play games. You'll learn katakana real quick.

>>146603515
German for cinema. For some reasons hipsters think that using a term from another language makes what they refer to more sophisticated. Trickfilm is another example where they borrowed from the same language, German. Trickfilm literally just means cartoon.

>>146610948
>that first line
Dropped.

>wanted to study nip in college
>they didn't offer classes
>considered transfering to somewhere that did, but wrote it off as too autistic
I kinda regret that shit now

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>>146614532

I still need to learn kanji and katakana if I wanna read manga/doujins raw, right? How the hell can I learn kanji?

>>146616077

A lot of patience. It'll take about 2 years if you want to read it on a proficient level.

>>146616077
Nah, hiragana and katakana are pointless.

>>146616077
Read shounen manga with furigana. That way you learn kanji while you read.

>>146582569
Now I find incorrect subs and it triggers me

Learning Japanese makes you hate translators
Learning how to translates makes you hate Japanese learners

>>146608693
How long did it take you to learn English so well you could watch stuff natively?

About that long... unless you're a part of the Anglosphere and never learned any language to begin with, then I guess you could add a year on top of that.

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>tfw want to learn japanese but my family said I should learn more useful language like Mandarin and Germany instead.

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>>146616673

>>146616673
>Germany
I suggest starting with English

>>146616673
Do it anyway. Don't let your parents control your life, if you pick something you hate because your parents told you so you'll end up miserable.

>>146616673
>useful language like...German
Now there we have an actual dying language. Learn Arabic instead.

>>146616673
Why is it always those two languages?
You'd honestly get more from learning Korean these days. There's so many Chinese and so many willing to be translators that you'll never find work or a chance to use the language unless you go and live in China, and nobody wants that.
Germans can speak better English that most natives.

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I speak Japanese but I'm only watching ZOI, Rem: the anime, and Runpika. Unless you're really into unsubbed stuff, or you -really- hate subs, I don't think you really need to learn Japanese now that subs are ubiquitous.

It's more worth it if you're into text heavy media. Baldr Heart is taking up 90% of my free time right now.
茉緒 a best

>>146616673
I don't see the problem. You can learn Japanese TOO. So they're happy, you're happy, everyone is happy.

>>146616895
Chinese and korean? Really? They all use english for business, of course. I leaned Japanese because I love the sound of it, the way they express themselves and also because I can express a lot of things I can 't in my native tongue. You can learn because you love a language too. Why always thinking about how you're going to make money with it? So sad.

>>146616895
There's more to being a translator. And China isn't the only place where you need Chinese. There's also places like Taiwan and Singapore which are also economic powerhouses. Also, you don't have to go and live there. Multi-nationals are thing too and you can have a Chinese/Taiwanese/ Singaporean firm having off-shore offices which will require people knowing Chinese + native tongue. Sure, China is facing economic slowdown, but saying that you get more from learning Korean is seriously underestimating the situation, because again, it's not just businesses from China and in China.

In fact, considering that a lot of Chinese firms are moving to various parts of the world to establish their companies/ branches, there's still quite a strong demand for native speakers who know Chinese.

This thread is illegal

>>146617178
I'll learn Chinese when they have freed Tibet.

>>146617178
>There's more to being a translator
Meant to say, there's more variety of jobs than being a translator.

In fact, often in corporate environment, "translator" isn't the main job. You could be an accountant/ engineer etc but you work or deal with international clients so you knowing an additional language counts as that extra skill to enhance your main job (accountant/ engineer etc) since you are able to secure/negotiate deals or projects from clients that your EOP colleagues can't.

>>146617296
French is also much more useful than German or Chinese here.
Frenchfags have a really shitty tendency to not speak English very well.

I always feel rad when I manage to read the title card before announcer reads it.

Too bad without subs I still have no idea what it means.

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I think i may have learned it badly and ruined anime for me.

>>146616673
Someone post that cap about chinks.

>>146617008
Also, I live in Japan so let me clarify a few things.

Don't learn Japanese or Chinese for "work." It's useless for anything other than impressing colleagues and clients for 5 minutes unless you're at an exceptionally high level.

If you want a job in Japan, there are 3 types:
>English teacher (dime a dozen, easy as fuck to get in)
The most common, and lowest bar of entry and lowest salary. These are your typical weeabs and roaming-normies.
>Japanese-Japanese Company (dime a dozen, hard to get in unless top notch Jap)
You need to have top notch Japanese. No, N1 isn't good enough.
>Japanese-with-English Company (dunno much, Rakuten is an example)
You don't need Japanese, having some ability is a novelty. Your Japanese is only really appreciated if you're at least N1 level.
>Foreign Company with a mix of Japanese and English (you need the right degree and decent grades, but not hard to get in if you have those)
This is where I work at. Both foreign and Japanese coworkers, they all speak English, though. Some of the work is Japanese, some of it is English. You're going to be confined to the English work so you're kinda half-useless. Your Japanese is only really appreciated if you're at least N1 level, in which case you'll become the go-to person for translations if the company translators are busy or not as good as you are.
>Totally English company (These are usually top level, better graduate from good universities with good grades, and/or a resume working at a good company for a while)
You won't even know you live in Japan until you go out for lunch.

>>146617431
>3 types
Yeah, sorry I thought of more.

You don't need to speak Japanese to live here.
I work at a Big 4 accounting firm in a consulting oriented group. Most of the foreigners don't speak Japanese, but the Japanese people all speak English in this department. There are a few foreign partners, but only 1 of them speaks Japanese to any degree (think N3 or N2), this is at PARTNER level. The staff, manager, seniors, etc...mostly speak just English regardless of whether they're western, chinese, korean, etc...

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I can pretty much watch anything. As long as the subs are somewhat accurate I can piece together what the characters are saying. Some lines are better delivered when you can understand what they are saying
Also fuck localized puns.

ぎゃくに、にほんじんは、えいごにくろうしてるからたいへん…
にほんごのべんきょうガンバッテネ

>>146617449
I'm guessing your workload is comparable to that of a normal company situated in the US/Europe, what do your Japanese colleagues think of this? Do they feel like they're having an easier time compared to working at your typical Japanese company?

>>146617484
>all hiragana even for words where the kanji is commonly used
>unnecessary katakana
Why even bother.

>>146617508
>Big 4
>low workload
Our audit and tax departments work crushing hours no matter where they're located during busy season.

I used to do audit, no more of that shit. Consulting isn't too bad. I work 7.5 hours + 1 hour lunch. Overtime if it's crunch time, but it's not too bad at all.

Is it possible to learn japanese without learning pronunciation of kana, words, whatever, at all?

I'm deaf, am I fucked if I wanna learn moonspeak?

>>146617711
>you are deaf
why even bother with verbal part of any language you might concerned?

>>146617711
It sounds like you're better off finding out how deaf Japanese learn the language in the first place.

>>146617776
Deaf people can still enjoy manga and VNs.

>>146617776
Learning the verbal part helps a lot to learn the one language.
Though, it is true that I learnt how to read english without the verbal part, writing in english is still not easy for me.

>>146584938
Were did you get that idea from? Japanese has a great part of it's grammar around how direct/close one is to another and changes depending on it. Chinese grammar from what I understand is the same caveman style most of it's "culture" is like.

>>146617886
It might actually be easier than english because kanji is associated with meaning just as much as sound, you can understand a word without being able to pronounce it if you know the meaning of the kanji

>>146617833
do you even english?

>>146617886
who in here do you think is able to answer your question? learn nip like how you learnt Eng the deaf way

anyway, there's a phenomenon that users of Jap and Chink are able to understand but unable to pronounce obscure words in academic settings, while korean and vietnamese speakers can absolutely pronounce every word but have no idea what the fuck they're speaking.
perhaps this hints at these written languages being more off visual cue than idiotic phonetic written languages elsewhere.

>>146584938
No. knowing Chinese will greatly help you learn Japanese because of the kanji/hanzi overlap, not the grammar.

I'm a chink learning moon.

>>146617972
why do you even learn nip where they have to introduce "caveman style" chinese characters to associate intellectual and abstract concepts with

It makes it worse.
It helps you realize how fucking awful the writing and voice work is in literally everything.

>>146618106
>falling for the "deadly sino-japan kanji false friend" propagated by the same kind of fucking casual like you
unless you're a fucking banana chinkaporean who claimed "I KNOW MANDARIN" by speaking stupid baby speak.

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/防衛大臣

防衛大臣（ぼうえいだいじん、英訳: Minister of Defense）は、日本の防衛省を管轄する国務大臣[1]。他の大臣と同様、日本国憲法第66条の規定により、文民統制の観点から文民が任命される。行政組織としての防衛省の最高責任者であるとともに、陸海空の三自衛隊の最高指揮官である内閣総理大臣の下で（統合幕僚長を通じて）自衛隊全体を統督する。防衛大臣の自衛隊の部隊運用に関する指揮は、統合幕僚長が補佐し、統合幕僚長を通じて行われる。命令の執行も統合幕僚長が行う[2]。
就退任に際しては栄誉礼で迎えられる。2007年1月の防衛庁から防衛省への昇格に伴い、主任の閣僚は長官から大臣になった。略称は防衛相（ぼうえいしょう）または衛相（えいしょう）で、「防相」とは言わない（防災大臣と混同されかねないため）。

>>146617649
sorry....
I think so too (ｰ ｰ;)
You can do it.
Don't give up(￣▽￣)

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So which one of you fuckers is ddosing futaba?

I just started taking classes at my university. The proffersor is actually japanese so that helps a lot. I do wish I could use my real name but I understand why I have to be roozu-san.

>>146585083
*-almost every country in the world including 50% of US population that are about to vote for Trump. Have fun being the new Nazis retards ...

>>146618332
I'm in the same boat. At least you don't have a really Italian last name with a ton of i's in it.

herkz leave this thread

>>146597333 >>146610402 Well, not even modern Greeks themselves can understand texts from Aristotle and others ancient writers without practicing and studying them. A common thing between Japanese and ancient Greek that I've noticed (I am not 100% sure about the Jap) is that they both usually ,although not mandatory at least in ancient Greek, place the verb at the end of the sentence. Also Greek and Japanese have a lot words that sound the same but have different meaning such as sayonara meaning goodbye in Japanese and flip-flop (σαγιονάρα) in Greek. Greeks use the word γειά (=hi) the same way Japanese do http://s1.webmshare.com/vEb7W.webm

Saurce: I am Greek.

>>146618458
How's it going for you?

It's been pretty easy on my end so far. No one else in my class knows hiragana and it seems like they don't care to learn. One guy said that he wasn't going to memorise it because he could always just use romanji and I wanted to hurt him.

The biggest weeb in class us the 2nd worst which seemed fitting.

русскиe лучше яазика честно

>>146618561
It's been going well. I spent the past four years learning Russian, so I'm not afraid of having to use a new alphabet. Everyone in my class is pretty tolerable. However, there is this one guy who's wearing a different Evangelion shirt every single time I see him in class.

>>146618562
Да это так.

>>146584053
>Whats the best way to learn moon speak?
http://djt.neocities.org/

>>146618561
Weebs are always the worst learners since they're generally the people most unfamiliar with how Japanese works, and thus the ones that get the most overwhelmed when they're fed a bunch of scribbles and told to memorize.them all before they can start actually learning shit.