Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1657

Boy do I have a treat for you guys today.
Here's your daily listening practice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xnGIEX7OGs

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Nice シンプル op

>鰺
God I fucking hate mining fish words, I don't even know fish in english

>>146582361
>上原亞衣

女神だぁ

>>146582513
>mining useless words
Why?

>>146582821
No word is useless, anon-kun

>>146582856
I mean, sure, if you came across it in the first place then it's not useless, but that's not my point. Some threads ago, an anon gave this example and I agree 100%: when you see the word 菊, you don't need to know what the hell a chrysanthemum is, just that it's a kind of flower.

>>146582821
Useless, until you have a menu in front of you written entirely in moonrunes, and you have to blindly point at things like a useless white pig American monkey.

>>146583060
Or you can, you know, ask the waitress/waiter what the fuck a 鰺 is.

>>146583060
>not asking the chef for a suggestion

>>146583135
あ、アジという魚ですけど・・・ followed by a blank stare... Your move chump.

まぁ魚は通常ひらがなかカタカナで表記されていますね。
日常的に食べる魚の漢字は知っていますが、10種類ぐらいでしょう。

>>146583000
Very true, still feel like I'm gunna wanna know what that shit is specifically in the long run though, I can always just delete it if it really gives me that much shit in anki

>真鰺

Welp I regret everything

>>146583060
i don't know any fish in english other than salmon, tuna, sardine and anchovy and ive literally never had this problem

>>146583232
you must have the memory of a goldfish

>>146583187
https://www.google.co.jp/#q=%E9%B0%BA

What now, friend.

>>146583276
true i know that one too but i try to repress it because i had one as a kid and my sister flushed it down the toilet ;____;

>>146583135
あ､ イト イザ ビッグ フイッシュ。

>>146583276
>goldfish
You lost him.

>>146583376
What a bitch

>>146583308
So you'd chotto matte her ass, pull out your phone and google it? That's a gaijin move friendo.

>memorizing hiragana now

Boy, this sure is hard. I sure hope this doesn't get even more difficult or anything.

I'm memorizing them using memes I fucking hate myself.

>>146583505
anon...

>>146583505
Just brute force them. You'll need them for literally every single thing in the Japanese language, there's no way you'll forget them.

>>146583480
Yes. But then I'd know what a 鯵 is and I'd apologize for pulling a chotto matte on her.

>>146583505
i bet you're from /v/ or /vg/ and started learning because of vita piracy. am i wrong?

>>146583505
By the way, is it normal to have trouble distinguishing ne re and wo?

The only difference that I can notice is how curly the end of it is.

>>146583704
>ne and re
Because that IS the only difference, maybe?

Well, normally we only know about 10 kanjis of fish.
In actually, fishes are written by hiragana or katakana in almost.
If I know many kanji of fish I will be praised probably; that's all.

>>146583630
Nah, just started a college course and we're expected to memorize all hiragana by the second class.

My learning is mostly motivated by vidya and anime though.

>>146583761
>Well, normally we only know about 10 kanjis of fish.
Which are the most common ones?

>>146583783
Sounds like you found potentially the only good Japanese class there is.

>>146583758
ぬ　　め　　る　　ろ　　ね　　れ　　わ
You'll make it.

>>146583783
>Nah
good
welcome aboard, がんばって, etc
japanese college classes are shit though, i highly advise against following their schedule

>>146583838
I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

>>146583505
All you have to do is write them 50 times each bitch and then do realkana for a couple hours straight

>>146583800
鰺　あじ
秋刀魚　さんま
鮭　しゃけ,さけ
鰯　いわし
鮎　あゆ
鰻　うなぎ
鯨　くじら
鯖　さば
太刀魚　たちうお
鮪　まぐろ

これで十分。残りは知らなくても良い。

>>146583926
I replied to the wrong post, my bad.

Fuck, this >>146583838 was for you >>146583704

>>146583704
Man, katakana will give you fits.
シ ツ
マ ム
ン ソ
ク ケ
ル レ
コ ヨ ユ
ウ フ ワ ヲ

Hang in there.

>>146584040
>シ ツ
>ン ソ
AKA 4 reasons why you should learn proper stroke order.

>>146583940
>鮪　まぐろ
いやらしいな

>>146583704
>>146584040
Man, English letters will give you fits.
p q
b d
o c
w v
l i j

Hang in there.

>>146582361
just what i always wanted variety tv thank you

>>146583761
>Well, normally we only know about 10 kanjis of fish.
>In actually, fishes are written by hiragana or katakana in almost.
>If I know many kanji of fish I will be praised probably; that's all.

Well, normally we only know about 10 fish kanji
In reality, fish are almost always written in hiragana or katakana
If you knew a lot of fish kanji you'd probably be praised

Slight corrections if you were interested

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It's hard to focus on reading when I want to jerk off. Nukige is a blessing for that.

>>146584085
Those never gave my problems after I saw that one picture about the stoke order, can't remember what it was though

>>146582856

Some are just not worth your time studying over other words. Prioritize.

>>146583826
>>146583838
>>146583881

Thanks for the help, everyone.
I'll come to these threads more from now on.

I know hiragana are like, the easiest Japanese letters to memorize, so the fact that I'm even slightly having trouble is making me worried.

Still, I'll keep trying.

>>146584221
>variety tv
Maybe learn Japanese and try watching it again.

>>146584109
日本人ですねｗ

>>146584350
True, although I have 15k mined words so the shit I have left to mine tends to be more on the useless side of things

>>146584354
How often does your class meet each week?

>I'll keep trying
That's one of - if not THE - best things you can do.

>>146584382
i mean on the real i saw the thumbnail and replied i had no intention to watch w/e it is

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>>146584354
Here's the big secret: learning Japanese isn't DIFFICULT. It's just time consuming as all fuck.

If you put in the time, it will come. What people mean when they say it's difficult is really "hard to focus for long enough and put in the time required". They are probably using terrible / inefficient learning methods too.

Follow the guide, and when you get to the reading stage, make sure it's REALLY interesting. So much so that slogging through really slowly is still fun enough to put in the effort. Never stop.

>>146584354
Have you at least read the guide?

>>146584491
It's a dating show with 7 normal contestants and 1 planted slut whose goal it is to suck all the guys off. Hosted by Razor Ramon (Hard Gay). It's the apex of Japanese television.

>>146584516
What does she say after すばらしい?

It looks like somethingになる

>>146584665
Those dating shows are cringey as fuck no matter how many porn stars you plant in them tbqh

I'll stick to gaki and those idol webm threads on /wsg/

>>146584482
Three times.

>>146584552
Yeah, awhile ago, though. I should give it another read.

>>146584665
oh i love sluts and hg was my fave dude a decade ago let me fire this right up

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>>146584966
Yuzuko official djt mascot confirmed

What's the difference between 子供 and 子? Do they have the same meaning?

The timed accel world subs use a lot of kyuujitai/chinese kanji for normal words. Just fyi for anyone who might watch them, don't bother mining 舞臺 cause as far as I can tell shit is just 舞台

>>146584085
How exactly does stroke order help you with differentiating these?

停学処分

How would you translate this?

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>>146585541
Not just these, but a lot of kanji will look very different depending on how your hand flows when writing the character.

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Holy fuck do I need to read more.

>>146585691
That handwritten そ makes my dick hard

I can't draw that fucker to save my life

>>146585691
Mind=blown

>>146585573
gettin suspended

>>146585692
how long have you been studying for senpai

>>146585573
The pleasure of being cummed inside.

What do YOU think it means?

>>146585754
Only a confident hand can create beauty.

>>146585786
A year and a half.

>>146585573
(Being) suspended from school.

>>146585782
>>146585804
>>146585847


Well it's just that in English we wouldn't say "suspension punishment" which is why I was wondering how you'd translate it.

Thanks!

>been studying Japanese for more than 3 years
>just realized bottom part of あ is literally め
>あ is め with 一

Blew my mind.

>>146585926
damn...

>>146585926
woah....

>>146585926
oh my...

>>146585926
Deepest lore

>>146585926
really makes you think...

>>146585926
sincerely stimulates thy brain receptors...

>been studying Japanese for more than a month
>just realized が is literally か with a quotation mark
Damn...

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>>146585926
If you put two v's next to each other, it becomes a w
vv w vv w vv w vv w

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>>146586103
>yfw か is カ without the dash

天 is heaven and 十 is a cross what does it mean

>>146586163
holy shit

>>146586183
JESUS I LOVE YOU

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>>146585926
>>146586163
>>146586138
あ

>>146585926
一 is one bar so it means one, and if you stack two on top of each other it becomes 二, which is two! And if you put another onto it you fucking get 三, which is three holy fucking shit it all makes sense now!

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>>146586163
>yfw 力 is カ

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>>146586291
We can go deeper than that...

亖

Yes, it's real. Rikai it.

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>カ
>刀
>刀 is pronounced as カタナ
>KAtana
>mfw

>>146585883
The word suspension in its original meaning only corresponds to the 停 in 停学処分, but it takes on the punishment of suspension from school as an additional meaning.
Nothing else needs to be added, unless it's required by context.

So how do you guys deal with studying when tired? Because sometimes you really can't get enough sleep. Insomnia is a thing and it sucks really hard.

Coffee / tea, being cold and listening to ambience has been helping, is there anything else to help stop my eyes from unfocusing / brain fog in general?

>>146586376
DELETE THIS

>>146586471
i never get tired because neet masterrace, so i can wake up whenever i want
just take a nap ファム

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>>146586376

>>146586376

Checkmate, atheists.

>>146586471
When you're in bed you should lie on your back, close your eyes, and just think about nothing but you breathing in and out, if you manage to only focus on that and not get distracted by any of your thoughts then you'll fall asleep soon enough

Unless you actually have legit insomnia in which case probably wouldn't work

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>>146586376

>>146586376
Every time.

>>146586471
I don't. I get some sleep or, if I have reps left and sleeping would postpone them until the next day, do them with a horrible retention rate and then get some sleep.

>>146586471
I actually had insomnia for a while when studying. It didn't make it that much harder for me to study weirdly enough, and I felt it was easier to motivate myself. I mean if you just can't get enough sleep you just have to study anyway. What else are you gonna do, not learn Japanese?

>>146586471
Do reps in the morning? Not hard.

>>146587030
Unlike my dick

>>146587067
ok

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>>146585307
>Yuzuko is in this thread RIGHT NOW

>>146587067
I not only browse Reddit I post on there and I have over 500 confirmed upboats.

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>>146587130
Seems like I have to up my game !!

>>146587116
im yuzuok irl

What's the point of studying Japanese, does it make good money with good career paths?

>>146587067
知るか

>>146587280
No but it can make your dick hard and your heart きゅん

>>146587280
If you want a language for career, learn mandarin or german.

>>146587377
>mandarin
well meme'ed

Question. A couple girls are at a petting zoo when the latch on an exhibit breaks. One girl exclaims なんてお約束な。。。っっ！！

I'm not really sure what it's meant to mean here, since there wasn't a promise made earlier or anything. Is it being used in the sense of usual, typical? Like "of course this thing would happen"?

What's your reading speed /djt/? I manage to do about 350-400 lines an hour as of now

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I've got some questions about a story (h), can someone help me understand it?

This is the link (Cuvie story from Kairakuten Beast 2016-08):
https://exhentai.org/s/cd0fbb7fac/969023-104

There's a girl and her boyfriend, and her friend meet them by accident.
Then boyfriend meets friend in a rain near his house, she kinda invites herself in and starts to push him.
Then the dialogue follows:

> やっぱりね
> あの子高校の時の元カレにも一年お預け食らわせたから
At first I thought it was "Since she also made her former boyfriend wait for an year, I "ate" him", but reading the rest, I'm guessing it's "she got eaten".
It's what makes more sense, but I had to infer this from the context, I wish I could understand this WITHOUT the context... don't know what I did wrong here.

Then the boyfriend starts pondering, and the thieving friend says:
> 昔のこと反省してんのかな？
> あんなに長くお預けしたのにいざヤッたらハマっちゃって
"Even though she made you wait that long..."
Now's the part I can't really make much sense.
My guess is "even if you did it now, she's already fucked" or something.
Like "she made you wait so much, even though she's not a virgin anymore" kinda of meaning?
I also had to guess this line from the context...

> メイ　サルみたいに盛ってたことあったから
"Mei... she already copulated like a monkey"
Didn't made much sense at first, but matching with the previous lines, sounds like she's just provoking him.

Can someone clarify these please?
I think it all went downhill since I couldn't figure the 食らう properly, unsure between not knowing if the thieving friend got him or if she got raped, then I wasn't sure in the following sentences.

>>146587491
Not your translation service, if you don't know Japanese then don't translate.

>>146587485
Idk I always get distracted by this thread every line so I can never tell

Thoughts on Animelon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYR3_Yb9gBo

>>146587593
>can someone help me understand it?
And if you can't read then don't read nor answer.

>>146587686
Looks alright

I'd use it if I was more of a beginner

>>146587482
you sure it isn't 拘束?

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>>146587923
Nope.

>>146587491
食らわせる is 食らう in the causative form. "To cause to eat."

And this 食らう is not literal. お預けを食らう means to be forced to wait. 食らわせる indicates the act of forcing to wait.

> あの子
She
>高校の時の元カレにも
To her ex from high school also
>一年お預け食らわせたから
Forced him to wait for one year.

>>146587482
Use a dictionary maybe? お約束 can mean clichéd.

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>降ってきたりして
what does it mean?
Is this what they call homoerotic slang?

>>146587491
2nd green text is "although you've made it wait for so long when you do it you really get into it"

3rd please check what xあったことある means, it's easy

Anon just did the 1st so I won't do it. From there make sense of what I typed. I didn't check the doujin but it was easy enough to understand from what you typed so it should match.

>>146587686
Stop shilling your(?) shitty anime streaming site

>>146588146
Look up the ～たり　～たり　する construction.

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>>146582361
リア充禁止

>>146588145
That's what I was doing. I was thinking maybe she's saying things go bad for them so often that "of course this would happen", i.e it's cliche, trite, typical.

>>146588207
In what way is it shitty? I haven't tried it yet but it seems alright.

>>146588207
It's not paid and it's pretty damn related to the thread's topic, what's the problem?

>>146588341
He's a "any and all mention of any resource that I don't approve of is shilling" kind of guy

>>146588310
Maybe the author lampshading the silly お約束の展開.

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おはようおにいちゃん

はだざむくなってきたね

よくねむれた？

>>146588071
Many thanks. Since it didn't had the を I didn't find that match in the dictionary...

>>146588148
>check what xあったことある means
I thought I had gotten (no pun intended) it wrong since you mentioned it, but no...

The 2nd line I think I'm guessing she's talking about the girlfriend then, so it makes more sense with the 3rd line.
Figuring the "hidden subject" is one of the biggest issues I have when trying to read...

So, something like
"She made you wait so long even though if she did it now, [she]'d get addicted to it"
And then
"Mei... she already has copulated like a monkey"

I think I got the meaning of it now, many thanks!

>>146587686
It's lingq for video, but better. Which is actually kind of amazing if you think about it. Nobody's set up anything with the right combination of features before.

>>146588613
>はだざむくなってきたね
Where the fuck are you, it's 70 out.

>>146588613
ここまだ暑いんだけど～

冬が早く来てほしい

>>146588651
Not that anon, and you're wrong.

She's wondering if Mei feels any remorse for making her ex-boyfriend wait so long, because when they actually did it she got addicted to it. The she's teasingly saying that Mei has had a period where she was "copulating like a monkey".

>Tfw want to read something but you're stuck on a part you don't get and can't be fucked to struggle through it

読み続けた～い

>>146589476

I feel you anon. I'm stuck right now.

その後も別の下宿に移り住む金銭的余裕もなく、この体育会系の学生が集まる学生寮に身を置き続けているのだ。

I can't for the life of me figure out the part with 集まる学生寮に身を置き続けているのだ or why その後も is a thing.

ダラダラだから運動不足でデブなんだよ

>>146589127
Thank you very much anon!

Heavens, why is moon so complicated, 5 months in and my understanding is still this crap, I don't know what more guides can I read to improve understanding since the more I read, the more I get wrong... I don't really see how reading more actually improves my grammar, easy stuff will always be easy stuff, but the stuff I don't understand I don't really "get" why I don't understand it until someone explains.

>>146589623
Is 身 a body?
Does it make sense if it is
学生寮に
集まる身を
置き続けているのだ

That's how I'd get it though.

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復習やりたくない

>>146589623
>その後も
And after that
>別の下宿に移り住む金銭的余裕もなく、
Without the financial leeway to move to a different accomodation,
>この体育会系の学生が集まる学生寮に
To this student dormitory where sports students gather
>身を置き続けているのだ。
Continue to remain (place our bodies).

>>146589623
Isn't it something like

"After that I still didn't have the money to move to a different lodging/boarding whatever the fuck, so I continued staying in the dorm with all the sporty students in"?

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>>146588849
はだざむいっていっても

しんやだけだよ

>>146589986
>>146589997

Ah yes this makes sense. I think the bodies thing tripped me up (weird, we don't say stuff like that in English).

You guys always make it sound so easy. And I'm sitting here banging my face on the wall saying できない

>>146590090
You're not alone.

>>146590090
Should have googled it
http://thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/%E8%BA%AB%E3%82%92%E7%BD%AE%E3%81%8F
>ある環境の中で生活すること

Isn't it always the case that when you finally get it it feels like the simplest shit in the world

Have fun 読み続けるing anyway anon-kun

>>146590204

I'm having trouble with that simple sentence and you expect me to be able to read a J>J dictionary?

>>146590265
笑った

>>146590265
That entry is pretty simple stuff though, and it gives synonyms that you can just hover over with rikai
>身を投じる
>携わる

>>146590265
http://jisho.org/search/%E8%BA%AB%E3%82%92%E7%BD%AE%E3%81%8F

>>146590043
ここになぜか深夜でも暑いんだ

早朝にはすごく寒いけど

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>>146590340
>>146590400

You are both wise. I have learned.

My apologies.

Have a waifu for your troubles.

>>146590462
ありがとう、大切にします

>>146587686
Looks good. What I really want for listening practice though is something that's interesting and people don't talk too fast. The typical things people recommend to beginners are easy in terms of vocab and grammar but that's not the biggest issue when it comes to listening I find.

Forcing myself to rewatch Gochiusa RAW. I forgot how absolutely great this series was.

>>146587686

What's the catch? Do you have to pay for it or something? Or is there a billion ads I don't see because of adblock?

>>146591145
Doesn't get much better than Chino-chan

Also that second season ed is just too adorable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O7DsbWvQ5w

Today I did Anki for 33 minutes and then I read a visual novel for 4 hours and 2 minutes.

>>146591680
>4 hours and 2 minutes.

Jeez get a fuckin life bro

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>僕

>>146591292
The show would have been better if it just focused on those 3 girls instead.

>>146591791
はい？
僕に何かご用？

>>146591803
Idk I never really thought much of Megumi and Maya

I much preferred all the shit to do with Sharo and Chiya

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>>146591791
Can't argue with Kino

>>146592066
Maya is best daughteru though

僕様はかっこいいなー

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>>146591791

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>>146591791
>>146592180
>俺

>>146591791
貴官は何の一人称が宜しいと思われますか

>>146592503
俺様
我輩
わたくし

Fuck this I'm going to learn Ye Olde English

>>146592952
The*

>>146591791
You're supposed to use all 3 main pronouns depending on the situation.

>>146592962
þe*

>>146593012
This. 僕 is okay in some situations the same way 俺 would be better. It all depends on which position you want to be viewed and judged and seen from.

If you can't understand this you're very much simple-minded.

>>146593012
No, you're supposed to use 私 and 俺 depending on the situation, unless you're Swedish.

>>146593038
Honestly I wouldn't mind if English incorporated this in place of "th".

>>146591791
My waifu uses 僕.

>>146593068
>私
地味

私は俺のことを僕と呼びます

発願

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おまえの笑顔が私に光をくれたから

>>146593591
be gentle

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>>146593591
い、いやああ！来ないでぇぇ！

お姉ちゃん止めてください

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>面倒臭い
>right, it's "めんとうにおい"

>>146582361
Sorry I don't want to learn through subtitles I need the audio to be Chinese too

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>>146593761
メンドウクサッ

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>>146593761
>めんとうにおい

>>146593068
These memes must die, both of them.

Today I learned 100 words in anki and watched one episode of love live sunshine

>>146593115
Do girls even use 僕 outside of anime?

>>146593865
what memes

>>146593920
My waifu does too.

In songs otherwise.

Tomboys I guess too.

>>146594041
F-fuck there was a nipple.

>>146594041
A lot of the time, when you hear a female singer using 僕 in a song, it's because the song is written from a male point of view.

>>146593927
There's this meme according to which only submissive and weak men use 僕

As for Sweden, people on /int/ and /pol/ often joke about how the country is full of Muslim immigrants who, allegedly, are "cucking" Swedish men by fucking their wives.
So cuck = weak man = 僕

>>146594041
>>146594114
I swear that exact same thing happened with that same picture before, can't remember if it was in djt though

And I was like "post that pic again I wanna save it", I've still got it in my pic folder

>>146594135
>meme
>joke
Hello, Sven.

>>146594123
If I recall correctly Souseiseki from Rozen Maiden used 僕.
Maybe girls use it when they want to sound masculine, I have no idea whether it's actually used in real life though.

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>>146594123
Not really, it's just like that.

>>146594174
Believe it or not it was me as well, and yes it was in DJT, a couple months ago.

Just remember that 僕 LITERALLY means fukboi

>>146594220
Damn, pretty weird

You never learn huh

>>146594220
I'm not saying that's always the case, just sometimes.

>日本の女性歌手には昔から一人称の「ボク」の歌を歌うものも珍しくない。歌詞の語り手を男性に設定した“男唄（おとこうた）”と解釈できるものもあるが、そうでない例も見られる。例えば『四季の歌』（1972年）には「ぼくの恋人」というフレーズがあるが、その恋人は男性の詩人ハイネに例えられており、この歌の主体は女性であると解釈することもできる[注 2]。ただし、こういった実例とは異なり、明確にボク少女のことを歌った歌として、松本ちえこの『ぼく』（1976年）がある。

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%9C%E3%82%AF%E5%B0%91%E5%A5%B3

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>>146593591
今日から君は俺だけのもんだ。

>>146594135
>So cuck = weak man = 僕
おもしろい計算だ。ほんとに考えさせる　

>>146594135
second meme is true

>>146583783
It sounds like your teacher knows what's up, mine says we'll learn them all by midterm. That's ridiculous.

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>>146594319
I had a pretty weird déjà vu too, "I swear I did the same thing a while ago."

http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/136948471/#136964810
http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/136948471/#136964971

>>146594413
I'm not saying you're wrong, sorry if I appeared abrupt, it's just that "a lot of the time" proportionally felt too much to me. I've exclusively listened to Japanese music these past 5 years or so and while it does happen I wouldn't go as far as saying it's "a lot of the time".

I think I have a problem, djt. Please keep in mind I can't read much yet.

I can't see an image which has Japanese text in it otherwise I will completely go out of my way, cancel everything I'm doing and look up every single little thing on it until I know what it says on there.

This is particularly troublesome when someone posts a Japan picture in a street with lots of advertisement.

Help.

>>146585691
You don't need stroke order to differentiate those, you just need to know that two of them are more horizontal than the other two. That's overall shape, not order of motor operations.

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>>146594601
That's the spirit. GO GO GO

Ok so, if I got this right:
私 is used by intelligent and educated men such as myself, and women

僕 is used by submissive and effeminate men who let Chad fuck their wives because he can satisfy them much better than him

俺 is used by edgelords and criminals who try to look big and bad

>>146594601
You might be a vampire. Do you also feel compelled to count all the grains of rice in a sack?

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>>146594601
thats unfortunate

>>146594601
Sounds like OCD

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>>146594754

>>146583704
>>146583758
>>146583704
Well the bottom of re looks like and upside down r, so thats r, (w)o is circular, so thats o, ne is what you learned first, so thats ne.

>>146594601
I can relate, when people ask for help with their reading materials I always feel like I need to understand what's going even though I don't necessarily care about what they're reading. If I don't I feel like I get stuck on their wrong analysis/translation and I'm scared my brain ends up learning something wrong.

>>146594718
>私
bitches and old men whose testicles have shriveled into estrogen
>僕
fuccbois
>俺
thugs

Real men use AMERICAN

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>>146594807
まだまだあるぞい

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>>146594733
>You might be a vampire
Is OCD part of vampire lore?

>>146594555
Holy fuck there's a personal pronoun discussion with that coldsteel the hedgehog pic in that thread too

I'm going to bed before the fabric of reality starts coming apart

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>>146594879

>>146594642
>you just need to know that two of them are more horizontal than the other two

It won't not always look that way depending on the font or handwriting. But you can always tell by which way the strokes are drawn. You have no idea what you're talking about so just stop.

>>146591725
Who cares?

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>>146594922
last one sorry for spam

hopefully i made at least one person realize they できない (or perhaps the opposite)

>>146594952
Did you know that you can still figure out a word even if you're not entirely sure what a certain l*tter in it is, because of context? I know, it's crazy. fucking dumbass

>>146594919
I didn't participate to the current pronoun discussion nor posted the hedgehog pic for what it's worth.

Re:ゼロから始める異DJTデキナイ

>>146593920
I don't know but it's the cutest fucking thing ever when she uses it.

Has anyone been able to hook the name + dialog of Noble Works with ITHVNR? I tried the :LNamethread-dialogthread, but it doesn't work.

>tfw a month ago was so frustrated over not being able to read anything that I almost quit and started learning French instead
>tfw now reading Shin-chan and having tons of fun
This is seriously one of the best feelings ever. Never give up, DJT.

>>146595222
>and started learning French instead
Might as well just kill yourself at that point.

>>146595222
I'm French and I have no idea why you would want to learn my language.

>>146595130
nvm ITHVNR just decided to work now after restarting a lot.

>>146595354
You could try to get women with it but honestly a good french accent is probably worth more than actually knowing french

>>146595279
Damn, so I barely avoided learning a shitty language AND committing sudoku. That was a close one.
>>146595354
French kino is pretty great.

>>146595409
Anon, that's just a fairytale. Women don't like frogs irl.

Please someone post really long hiragana something, i really want to read something long but i haven't learned hiragana yet.

Pls tell, if you do i'll show scientific proof for best kind of girl.

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>>146595222
You're reading Shin-chan in French?

>>146595413
Yeah I was about to say if I had to name something we have it'd be our movies but here again it's a matter of taste. Myself I haven't watched anything made here in a very long time as I'm now a full fledged weeaboo.

>>146595007
It was a joke you cock

Me and daily-progress-update-man are best buds you wouldn't understand

>>146595038
Are you actually relying on guessing what a symbol is as a valid form of defense for your argument? You're beyond stupid!

>>146595354
Not him but I kind of had an urge to learn French while watching Nodame Cantabile.

>>146595495
https://mega.nz/#F!y0lRmK7K!93HHXch6ulsXzciBKkhE8Q

>>146595525
Meant to reply to (>>146591680) stop getting butthurt おにいさん

>studying kanji after work
>native Japanese wife comes home from work
>leans over my shoulder and corrects my mistakes
>teach her some English afterwards and correct her mistakes
>share an understanding smile
Is there a better feeling? It's so great to be living the dream.

ヌルポ

>>146595502
had an honest lel

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so, what do I do now

>>146595621
Woah you've got some nerve talking like that to my best bud

>>146595789
>No vistas: 0
AY CARAMBA

>>146595534
>Are you actually relying on guessing what a symbol is?
Do you actually think ツャツ and ツャワー are words?

>>146595580
Japanese people idealize us. Myself when I see all these nice portrayals of my country in anime I feel happy but truthfully I don't see those reflecting reality and the current state of things at all.

Only thing that'd be true would be references and praises to our food and such which you can see in anime like Shokugeki no Souma, etc.

>>146595881
Yeah, there's actually a legit disease Japanese people get when they come to France and it's not what they imagined. Kind of sad how sheltered that way of thinking is. Do they not watch the news or look at anything current?

>>146595534
If you're reading a stylized billboard or very small text, context is the only real way to read it. He has a point.

You both have a valid argument, but that probably won't stop you from bickering over nothing.

>>146595881
Isn't this true to pretty much all countries?

It's that "the grass is greener..." thing, always. I myself idealize the US since I think it's much better than where I am (and it's true), but when I ask a native they complain with a hundred things about it.

I paid for Japanese classes with a native teacher and when we got to writing she said I can't learn Japanese because I'm left handed. I've accepted this fate but I really want my kid to be bilingual. Should I take his pencil out of his left hand whenever he tries to use it?

>>146596060
>If you're reading a stylized billboard or very small text, context is the only real way to read it

Or you could, you know, actually be able to read the language instead of guessing what basic symbols are.

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>>146596110
Pretty much.
I'd be lying if I said I never fantasized about moving to Japan when my life isn't going so well (I'm a burger).

>>146596246
There is literally nothing keeping you from writing japanese lefthanded.

>>146596264
THIS.

If you can't read the bottom line of those eye charts then you DON'T KNOW ENGLISH.

>>146595991
>Do they not watch the news or look at anything current?
I think it's due to Japan being 99.9% populated by native, closed-off, still having their culture intact and thus being self-sufficient on everything they need (be it living needs or entertainments, etc). They don't necessarily realize other countries don't have it as well as them, or I should say didn't go the same path these recent decades due to globalism destroying more and more cultures across the globe.

This is going to sound very weeaboo-ish but I do mean it : Japan is most likely the best country on the planet as of today and it's not even close.

>>146596110
>"the grass is greener..."
This statement is true and makes sense of course.

>>146596246
>paying for Japanese classes
How did you even get that idea?

Using stroke order to read blurry text is the biggest fucking meme ever I swear. Nobody ever actually uses it in real life they just look at it for a second and either read it or go "nope, I can't read it" and maybe guess from context

>>146596363
>Japan is most likely the best country on the planet as of today and it's not even close.
I'd argue New Zealand is better. Its the free-est country in the world after all.

>>146596310
Nice fallacy. Let me give you a real example for what you're trying to defend:

>I can't tell the difference between b and d this shit is confusing
>JUST USE CONTEXT BRO IT'S A VALID METHOD FUCK LEARNING THE SYMBOLS

>>146595804
にっが pls

>>146596427
its called radicals

>>146596427
stroke order fags will use any lie to push their wasted effort on everyone else

>>146596465
Why are you talking to yourself?

>>146596264
Reading context is reading the language. You do realize that kana and kanji shapes differ depending on how stylized they're written or if they're on a computer, right? 心 isn't written like how it's shown on a computer.

>>146596434
Ultimately it's subjective, but then I want to ask : what does NZ has to offer to me? Does it have all the games that made my childhood what it was? Does it have all the artists (be it music or drawing) I'm looking up to? Does it have any entertainment for me?

Japan has a lot of those and even more waiting for me, NZ has nothing.

>>146596507
it is if you install a textbook font

>>146596464
Nice non sequitur

>>146596441
We're clearly talking about situations where you can't see the symbols properly, e.g. they're too small or written in a strange way.

Are you TRYING to be stupid? Moreover, comparing b vs. d to シ vs. ツ is ridiculous because b and d are facing in completely opposite directions.

>>146596427
You saying this shows how much of a beginner you are, and it's not even about whether you care about writing or not.

Piss off.

>>146596441
>d and b
So you're agreeing that the letters are able to be differentiated without stroke order then? Because I don't understand why the fuck you would need to know the stroke order of b and d to be able to tell them apart.

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>>146596535
But New Zealand has these cute little fuckers

>>146596588
>beginners calling other people beginners to try to force their stupid handwriting meme

>>146596507
>You do realize that kana and kanji shapes differ depending on how stylized they're written or if they're on a computer, right? 心 isn't written like how it's shown on a computer.

That presents absolutely no problem for someone who can actually read the language. Meanwhile, you're literally fucking guessing at whatever you're looking at because you cannot read the language. おめでとうmotherfucker.

シツンソシツンソシツンソシツンソシツンソシツンソシツンソシツンソシツンソシツンソシツンソシツンソシツンソシツンソシツンソシツンソシツンソシツンソ

>>146596568
no i was saying reading blurry text is all about radicals

stroke order is basically irrelevant even in shitty handwriting; if you know the radicals you'll be able to tell what the shitty version of each radical is supposed to represent because the shape of radicals is designed to look clear even in shitty handwriting

stroke order is the non sequitur

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Post things you're learning Japanese for.

>>146596578
>We're clearly talking about situations where you can't see the symbols properly
No, that was something you brought up for no reason as a strawman argument. That's how stupid you are. I know. It's astounding.

>>146596690
I'm learning japanese for Leyline. No, I'm not kidding. Yes, I started off wanting to read FSN untranslated, but Leyline legitimately looks more interesting right now. Plus it's easier.

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>>146596690
To escape pic related.

>>146596684
If the writing is blurry enough even radicals won't help much, and you have to rely on context. But you're right that radicals will usually help a lot more than stroke order will (although stroke order kind of includes knowing the radicals)

>>146596742
It's for a good cause. With Sekai Project likely going bankrupt before they can release the first game, Leyline will probably never get fully translated.

>>146596742
This https://vndb.org/v/all?sq=+Leyline ?

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>>146596690
To escape this fucked up reality.

>>146596759
Also, this.

>>146596578
>>146596441

I bunno, man, I think that itself is a pretty dig fallacy. You're telling me you lack the adility to reab this and immebiately know that the ds and bs are switched? I mean, "big" is a worb just like "dig" is dut you still instantly know it's "dig" and not "big".

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>>146596761
in cases where radicals are that blurry, the text is just illegible and you need to guess based on the shape of words and common grammatical structures

just like in every language

>>146596826
Yes.
>>146596817
They're actually using the fan TL. Which means if SP goes completely out of business, the fan TL will probably "continue".

>>146596916
Exactly that's what I was saying
Nobody is going to start trying to analyze the stroke order unless they are getting paid to decipher something and have no access to better quality

>>146596970
i didn't know stroke order was about analyzing the stroke order of characters, i thought it was about knowing that kanji go from top left to bottom right

Stroke order is NOT needed to read Japanese unless the person's handwriting is so hideous that they shouldn't be allowed to write anyway. You probably won't even have to read handwritten Japanese very often since most of you are learning the language for anime, manga, and VNs.

Stroke order IS necessary to have good handwriting though. Well, not really. As long as you're writing everything in almost-stroke order then your handwriting will be fine. Only if you, again, have hideous handwriting and shouldn't be allowed to write do you need stroke order for others to be able to tell what the hell you're trying to say.

>>146596690
https://vndb.org/v/all?q=;fil=tagspoil-0;rfil=;o=d;s=rating

>>146596713
>bringing up an actual real life situation to show that there are situations where context is used to read is a strawman
What? You claimed that using context to read is inferior to using stroke order. So, I argued against your claim by stating that there are definitely times when people would use context to read over stroke order, e.g. when the text is small, stylized, or on a computer. Because that happens in real life, despite what you might want to tell yourself.

>>146597049
Stroke order is necessary to write and learn Kanji for simplicity's sake. Going against it is just being a contrarian for the sole motive of losing time.

>>146597049
But you need to know stroke order to read manga. I learned grammar from JtMW and a lot of the panels are all but indecipherable if you don't know stroke order.

>>146597113
No, you can learn kanji with radicals instead.

>>146597159
... that's what I'm saying.

>>146597043
Neah these people are trying to say that like if you know stroke order/direction maybe you can tell the difference between 犭 and 扌 in some calligraphy shit because you can see what direction they drew the strokes or something

>>146597118
That's a cool beginner opinion

>>146597159
You can't learn radicals without learning the stroke order of the radicals. Even if you try not to, you will still learn the stroke order of the radicals.

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>>146596690
My waifu.

>>146597181
>That's a cool beginner opinion
How many years of nihongo experience does it take to change that opinion?

>>146597180
You said stroke order, not radicals. sorry if I misunderstood.

>>146597183
That's wrong.

>>146597181
>Neah these people are trying to say that like if you know stroke order/direction maybe you can tell the difference between 犭 and 扌 in some calligraphy shit because you can see what direction they drew the strokes or something
Those are completely different radicals that look almost nothing alike (think "r" vs "t") , and only become more dissimilar to eachother in handwriting.

>>146597235
>That's wrong.
It's not.

>>146597238
>and only become more dissimilar to eachother in handwriting.
You mean in "good" handwriting
>>146597234
Like one would probably be enough

>>146597235
>You said stroke order, not radicals. sorry if I misunderstood.
Well by learning radicals and building your understanding of Kanji from there you're inherently learning correct stroke orders as well.

Not sure how you can think otherwise honestly.

>>146597278
>You mean in "good" handwriting
No, I mean in all handwriting. Aside from literal calligraphy, as in doesn't follow standard stroke order calligraphy, that is.

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You could have used the time you spent arguing over pointless things on reading.

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>>146597271
I know all the standard kanji and I have no idea what the stroke order for this radical is.

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>>146596690
There's only one reason and it's enough to keep me from ever feeling できない.

Lolis

>>146597310
>No, I mean in all handwriting
Well that's just not a very intelligent statement then.

>>146596742
Andel did nothing wrong.

>>146597375
You do, you just don't know that you know it.

>>146597421
shit, that's deep.

>>146597355
What if I don't want to read right now.
What if reading right now would not be compelling.

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>>146597411
As long as you only count writing with correct stroke order, yes, they really do only become increasingly dissimilar. The stroke direction is completely different and causes completely different line smears. Unconditionally.

>>146597447
>people with nearly illegible handwriting don't exist
okay good luck with that

>>146597591
That's entirely compatible with the fact that these two radicals only become increasingly dissimilar.

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>>146596434
Did you know High School DxD is banned in New Zealand?
For "promoting sexualisation of children"

>>146597621
No your statement just doesn't even make sense to begin with. "increasingly dissimilar" compared to what? There are certainly people who write badly enough for them to look more similar than they do on my computer font.

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>>146597375
That radical looked like a person to me, so here you go.

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Question: What's the term for when a show is clearly marketed toward fujoshi, is almost exclusively watched by fujoshi, and is going to have a lot of yaoi undertones without actually delivering any yaoi?

>>146597723
BL

>>146597668
High School DxD was shit anyway.

>>146597679
>"increasingly dissimilar" compared to what?
Eachother? Are you literally retarded? Have you not actually read the posts you're responding to?

>only become more dissimilar to eachother in handwriting.


>There are certainly people who write badly enough for them to look more similar than they do on my computer font.

If they're writing with the correct stroke order, their versions of the radicals will not become more similar to eachother than display fonts make them. The only way to get more similar than display fonts is to literally write one as the other, which requires wrong stroke order or very careful precision. It's literally not humanly possible to make one look like the other in proper stroke order without intentionally doing so. It's like making "C" look like "Q". It really is that much of a difference.

>>146596264
>>146595534
Identify this if you're so good.

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>>146597802
*

>>146597791
>Eachother? Are you literally retarded? Have you not actually read the posts you're responding to?

I didn't realize I was conversing with someone who didn't understand English.

> It's like making "C" look like "Q"
And your claim is like saying that it's always easier to tell C and Q apart in handwriting than it is in 14pt Times New Roman, which is an absolutely retarded claim.

今日の自閉症対戦スレはここですか

>>146597863
I'm not doing your homework for you.