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Storytime - Saint Seiya Volume 23

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NEW OPENING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfEp64WHB3s&list=PLmHGCpzYIdflo0LCO9NRh9fDNN0o-xv8n&index=25

Reminder not to post spoilers until after the entire volume is posted.

Let's follow the story of a young boy named Seiya and his friends in a world where Greek gods rule the universe. Struggle, friendship, family, rivalries, BATTLES and lots of blood awaits them in this classic manga that inspired and still continues to inspire generations of mangaka!

Without further ado, let's begin.

Volume 1 >>145382257
Volume 2 >>145430404
Volume 3 >>145478783
Volume 4 >>145515571
Volume 5 >>145569343
Volume 6 >>145621448
Volume 7 >>145667044
Volume 8 >>145717135
Volume 9 >>145767905
Volume 10 >>145823118
Volume 11 >>145878958
Volume 12 >>145932889
Volume 13 >>145986243
Volume 14 >>146041287
Volume 15 >>146093563
Volume 16 >>146142714
Volume 17 >>146188816
Volume 18 >>146280806
Volume 19 >>146329252
Volume 20 >>146391785
Volume 21 >>146439911
Volume 22 >>146489747
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Saint Seiya pastebin, courtesy of anon: http://pastebin.com/vmYRvpXN
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Incorrect terms/names so far

Knights = Saints
Shina = Shaina
Princess Sienna = Saori Kido
Lord Nobu = Mitsumasa Kido
Jab = Jabu
Morris(silver jobber) = Moses
Sanctuary Master = Pope
Mephisto = Death Mask
Didaros(Shun's master) = Daedalus
Mainstay = Main Breadwinner
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>>146532639
Seiya and Shun starring in "The Mummy's Tomb"
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>>146532679
Did someone say fording a river?

Good morning OP
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>>146532791
Not 'pegasus and andromeda meet the mummy'

For shame...
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>>146532791
Seiya is going to mummy Shun's tomb
>>146532832
Morning anon.
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>>146532899
Two dudes reading the inscription of the gate of hell and going "wow that's bullshit".
This is pretty funny to me.
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>>146532719
>and where'd that valentine guy go?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQpLNCRIxWA
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>>146532750
>Eight sense?
Seiya is literal Idiot Savant.
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>>146533162
>There's nothing more disgusting than wasting your precious life, just letting the years slide by!!
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>>146533233
>play 20 questions
What was the literal translation?
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>>146533500
Whoa, they are way to weak for someone that defeated and breached defenses of people with light speed reflexes.
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>>146533649
They are not going full force yet.
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>>146533676
Wait, how do they even know they are full brother, then?
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>>146533649
It's all about burning your cosmos
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>>146533026
wtf is this
All this anatomy jesus
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This volume is actually one of my favorites, it's pretty fun too
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>>146534093
I liked Acheron, it's been a while since we had a funny yet strong guy
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>>146533649
Well as bronze knights they are slow starters, they have to take their time to burn their cosmos as >>146533752 said
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>>146534247
And here is a lesson for you, those passenger can kick your ass. Easy.
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>>146532353
This OP is pretty hype.
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>>146533540
Hahahaha, what a chill dude!
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You're a saint, OP.
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>>146534404
Not even Charon can resist Shun's beautiful eyes.
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>>146534744
He's so cool
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>>146535096
bbBBRRAAAAAAP
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>>146535096
This is kinda jarring, but it's funny enough.
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>>146535054
>I am the ferryman of hell
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>>146534744
Well, who is going to do the job of passing soul now?

Guess you didn't think of That, did you?
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>>146535235
He's not dead, he just got his ass handed to him.
He even sang as he left.
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>>146535235
He was still singing, maybe he didn't die.
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>>146535235
He just fell into his canoe and drifted off, he's fine
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>>146535298
cheeky
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>>146535298
Mu got quickly a new job.
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>>146535275
>>146535271
>>146535264
this is not what Shaka's beads is telling
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>>146535445
Savage.
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>>146535445
It's all fun and play up until someone get sliced in bits.
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>>146535560
>Making a qt cry
Now THAT is a sin.
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>>146535328
>>146535096
>>146534966

Really seiya went all in with those reaction faces.

Also, after all the serious business we had nonstop, its good to have these funny moments here and there.
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>>146534367
Shun is going to seduce his way out of hell, isn't he?
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>>146536059
The denizens of hell have not seen someone as beautiful as him for eons. Their instinct shouts at them.
>PROTECT THE PRETTY BOY
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Best part is coming.
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>>146536467
spooky asf
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It is close.
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>>146532353
Is there a torrent for this version of the manga?
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>>146536728
Awww yes he is finally here.
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>>146536717
On BakaBT

Since my upload is absolutely disgusting I didn't sign up for it but the archives of the dumped volumes are in the pastebin http://pastebin.com/vmYRvpXN
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>>146536767
AWWWSHIET, that was Ikki!
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>>146536841
>>146536028
>balron

...

Wait, It's actually a fucking BALROG, isn't it? yeah, it was meant to be a Balrog. What the fuck were the guys in ch
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>>146535681
>Literally another dimension
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>>146536850
Pastebin is literally the first post of the thread, don't spoonfeed it.
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>>146536930
It has been put in timeshare.
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>>146535445
Is this the most brutal (actual) death in Saint Seiya?
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>>146537077
Aaaah. I wish we could have seen him finally don the Gemini Armor, instead of directly showing up wearing it.
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>>146536930
Wait
>>146537125
>>146535681
Is it when Saga created an illusion and ported Seiya, then alter Shun outside of René's sight.

I can't tell if Kurumada was actually being Clever, or just lazy.
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>>146537308
>I'll lead you to hell!
>Already in hell
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>>146537363
More bantz from that setup to come
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>>146537456
what a dick
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>>146537456
Harsh.
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>>146537496
So, Kanon was sick of Shun's guilt.>>146536240
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>>146537659
I hate this attack.
Greatest Caution, what a stupid name.
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>>146537555
He does have a good point tho.

>you want to feel guilt, kill an innocent or two, then we talk, cuz right now theres a bunch of dudes that want you DEAD.
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>>146536203
That's hot
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>>146538182
Must have huge guts.
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AWWW YEAAH BOI
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>>146538320
Anyone for telling the guy he got the wrong Pantheon?
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>>146536128
I like how the villains are sincere.
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>>146538765
Was he listed among the saints, in the card-listing that was in volume 13?
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>>146538916
Nope
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>>146538916
He didn't appear before vol 13 so no
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>>146533197
>>146534911

So far the specters have just been doing their jobs, trying to help dead people. Then these 2 hotheads turn up all punching and sassing.

Pretty sure the Saints are the bad guys here.
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>>146539152
Agreed, but the specters boss is a dick trying world domination so Saints got no choice

Just hope for all this Hades destruction wont unleash a literal hell on earth with a zombie apocalypse
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>>146538811
>silver more powerful than the Golds
I guess there must be one for each Holly war
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>>146538465
We Baki now!
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New Ending
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgR2UbCx7YY
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>>146539152
He, Charon was the one who asked for a fight
René was a fucking Prick
And Pharaoh first action was to feed thel to Cerberus.
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>>146537265
I consider this the OTP of Saint Seiya
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>>146539477
This one is amazing, especially in idle state.

Holy shit
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End of Vol. 23

See you tomorrow anons
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>>146539579
Wait a minute, where the fuck is the instrument?
inb4 "stored in breastplate"
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>>146534868
The Greek words mean "Tribunal Of The" if my Greek isn't too rusty
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>>146539537
best surplice
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>>146533587
For a moment I thought Shun was going to pay with his body.
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>>146538021
original name: Orphée, in French
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>>146534093
Holy shit that face on Seiya.
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>>146533640
OH SHIT
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>>146539480
Shit taste shipper.
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Was the "Silver stronger than Golds" just an exageration of the rumor or is Orphée really suppossed to be stronger than the Gold Saints.

I can see him being stronger than Cancer or Pisces but I have a hard than believing than he is stronger than Shaka or Saga/Kanon.
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>>146539537
IT4S A FUCKING BALROG!
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>>146533997
This sounds so stupid coming from Seiya...
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>>146540801
He might be stronger than some Gold.

Rumor has it, he was going to be Cancer, but Death Mask cheated for the final exam.
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>>146540858
Orphée is Scorpio.
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>>146534836
And we're back at running up the stairs!
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>>146539978
Just "The Court/Tribunal"
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>>146538358
It's a manga based off Greek mythology where Buddhism is a thing and the hell is that of Dante. I think he will be fine.
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>>146538320
The Sphinx was a monster from Greek mythology, so technically he is in the right Pantheon
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>>146541776
What is the closest historian estimation of Jesus's Birth date (it was around may or june, wasn't it?)

I want to know what Gold Saint he was.
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>>146541959
Some even go as far as sayng it was september

He would probably be Virgo

>the man closest to God
indeed
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>>146541959
I think it was around October
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>>146536070
>>146536028
First Charon then this. The arc is great.
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>>146539477
The Chillax Surplice.
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>>146533459
>>146533500
>>146533910
>>146533947
>>146533997
>>146534038

"To awaken the 8th sense, they have to master the 7th, therefore they don't burn their cosmo through the lower anymore." Yeah right.
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>>146534868
TWELVE TEMPLES 2.0
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>>146537902
Canon was the reason I was kinda proud of being of Gemini as a kid.
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>>146533540
>Give me a break! Why would we have any money?
Yeah, why would they? Most saints are literary hobos, they should respect this guy that is only working with his boat.
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>>146544705
most saints are also underage
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>>146533540
So I am going to assume that everybody on hell are ancient greeks? because they were the only ones that prepared their deads for that, so everyone from other cultures are just wandering in the shore?
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>>146533040
He probably used D4C.
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>>146532899
Remember when the cloth box was called Pandora's Box in volume 1?
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>>146539152
>Helping
They're not helping them, really.
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>>146543303
3.0
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>>146534836
[Stairways]
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>>146539537
YOU SHALL NOT PASS
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>>146546523
>The Idle pose
Yeah, well...maybe I just wanna sit here instead of passing.
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>>146537166
BRUTAL
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>>146537496
First panel almost looks like Seiya shielded himself with Shun and Canon only stopped his attack because of that.
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>>146534911
>>146534966
>>146535005
>>146535049
>>146535096
I wish they would have left this scene as it was in the OVA.
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>>146537698
Wait, Canon can also use the same Genmaken as Ikki? Did he copy it? Although I think in the anime Ikki had learned it from Saga.
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>>146537902
Here comes Kanon's RAPE RAPE show.
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>>146536850
Thank you!
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>>146539196
I remember a similar thing being pretty cool in Lost Canvas.
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>>146535949
That's one of the reasons i prefer the manga over the anime, the manga had humor without abusing it, unlike the anime which took itself too seriously.
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Now, I don't want to argue or anything, but saying that Seiya and Shun are doing anything but really shittily in the fights here is asbsurd. Seiya was literally saved from dying like 4 times in this volume alone. Sure he beat Charon but by all rights, Charon had him outskilled and only held back because of Shun, and he was totally helpless in the two fights after that. Meanwhile, Kanon is out kicking ass and taking names.
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>>146547052
The phantom demon emperor attack is Saga's brainwashing technique from the anime (Genrou Maou Ken) not Ikki's Genma Ken.
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I'd guess the answer is no, but did anyone ever bother making fanart with profile-style shots of these "era of myth" bronze saint clothes from Omega?

They just appear in two quick flashback scenes that are filled with QUALITY, so I'd guess not... but at the same time they're close enough to the originals that it shouldn't be hard to tweak them.
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>>146547497
Seiya shines when it counts, he always leaves the fodder to someone else.

Also remember that he loses a lot of his fights, I mean since the first arc he almost died against Black pegasus, in sanctuary he got his ass kicked by Aiolia, he jobbed to that illusion guy in poseidon.
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>>146547497
The bronzes have not mastered their 7th sense yet, so of course they would look inexperienced next to Kanon.
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>>146532353
SHINWA NO NAKA DE kuri kaesareru BATORU.

By the way, what does Shinwa mean? is it Myth or something?
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>>146547838
>>146547839
Not that anon, but it's still pretty weird. Up to the end of Sanctuary, it seems like they're all progressing very quickly. Even during Poseidon, it's not clear that it has changed since the Gold Saints aren't very involved for comparisons.

Even in the beginning of Hades you get Seiya beating up Death Mask. It's only during the post Sanctuary part of Hades that it suddenly seems like they're pretty much stuck with the same level they had back two arcs ago.
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>>146547829
It's literally just the v1 Cloths from the anime with no character actually defined inside, that's why no one bothered, really.

>>146547963
Myth
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>>146534393
The OP was actually written by Kurumada
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>>146548009
Deathmask suffered no damage from that fight, he would have taken down Seiya if Mu didn't interfere.
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>>146548178
No he wouldn't.

One thing is Seiya being a slow starter but he'd kill Death Mask the moment he burns his cosmo.
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>>146548043
>It's literally just the v1 Cloths from the anime with no character actually defined inside, that's why no one bothered, really.
There are some differences from the anime v1s, like no red lines for Pegasus, black underclothes and a crest in the middle of the helmet for Dragon and crotch armor for Andromeda.
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>>146548178
DM got his ass kicked by Shiryu, Seiya would murder him.

Stop with the Gold Wank.
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I meant to post this image there.
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>>146548305
I'm pretty sure that's just unintended QUALITY mostly. I love the shit out of Omega but it had its moments there, undeniable.

This is probably close enough for Pegasus in a sense no less.
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>>146547404
I don't think the anime's style suited comedy

All in all I like that the anime is just that little bit different with basically the same plot, it's better than just being a bland knockoff that moves and has sound, there was actual direction and artistic intent in a kids show aimed at selling toys
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I really feel like playing Soldier's soul now. Gotta unlock all those characters.
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>>146548538
>I don't think the anime's style suited comedy
I think most of the anime new scenes with Seiya with the Orphanage crew, cleaning his house in speed beyond Mach when Saori knocked on him and snubbing the movie 2 God Warriors (short as that was) disagree with that
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So what power level is Jabu's squad at by now?

Are they at least silver tier?
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>>146537902
BASED Kanon
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>>146547052
Ikki's mind crush is Houou Genmaken
Saga's mind control is Genrou Maouken
Kanon here used Genrouken
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>>146547304
in LC Pharao's heart rips wasn't fake
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>>146548009

Looking at the pages of that fight, DM didn't got a single scratch from Seiya's punches, not even after the Rolling Crush.

i'm not saying Seiya wouldn't be able to actually beat him, but his awakening of the seventh sense is still one of a beginner
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>>146548717
BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!!

Maybe Jab, but I wouldn't bet on it.
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>>146548608
Yeah, not saying that the anime didn't have humor at all, but after the Sanctuary arc, that went away.

It's just personal preference, some would say that the anime is more emotional than the manga, but i just prefer the manga being the way it is.
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>>146548717
They're actually pretty powerful. Of course nothing compared to important characters but they're not that weak either.

Jabu is the strongest of course
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>>146549851
In a round-table from the Jump anthologies Koyama and Kurumada apparently "agree" the anime "couldn't" use humor, around the time Asgard went in production.

I disagree completely
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Reminder that Zelos tanked Aurora Execution and survived.
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>>146534911
Wait, "René"? i thought his name was "Lune" or "Rune"?
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>>146551740
You can transcribe his katakana in all of these three ways, though if you're wondering what 'makes most sense' then it's probably Rune given he basically reads the inscription of the dead as his role
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>>146549468
Jabu with Athena buffs might be able to pull something decent. Like, he already has the "never give up" profile necessary to perform miracles.
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>>146552912
well, he was a good trainer for Souma...
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>>146552937

If you go by Omega, he was pretty much Gold tier last time we saw him (defeated a 2nd class Pallasite boosted by a fragment of the strongest divine sword while using only a shitty Steel cloth).

In the actual manga at best he got to Silver Saint level, and that's basically speculation.
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>>146553064
then again Omega is around 20 years from end of manga\anime

He's the only Secondary Bronze to get that strong, though.
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i forgot rhadamanthys was voiced by koyasu in the OVA's, no wonder i thought he was such a dick
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>>146553064
>In the actual manga at best he got to Silver Saint level, and that's basically speculation.


Not really, surviving Thanatos attacks is no small feat, at all.
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>>146553290
Kiki survived one of these blasts pointblank too with no Cloth at all.

They were probably weakened because of how far they had to travel or whatever, but I don't think the blasts they tanked were very powerful.
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>>146553362
Not when he was playing, but after that he got mildly serious and wanted to kill them because they dared to oppose him
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>>146553426
And I don't think they get weakened, didn't he kill Pandora like that too?

I mean Elysion is billions of galaxies away but it doesn't mean much to him
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>>146553461
People didn't even notice the first blasts when Seika began to feel ill, I think he can kill average humans from light years away but not much luck with ones who know how to manipulate cosmo.

Of course if he's near enough or if you're in his presence you're basically fucked.
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>>146553461
>>146553552
It really bothers me characters in SS can move faster then light, hit stuff from light years away, and have moves that can supposedly shatter entire galaxies and simulate the big bang but there's never any more damage then a medium sized bomb going off, not even a nuke
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>>146553552
Like I said he was playing around at first, he gets mildly serious after that and then he gets completely serious but Seiya kicks his ass before he can kill everyone.

Pandora is fucking powerful by the way, so he can kill people with cosmos or whatever.
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>>146553647
>Pandora is fucking powerful by the way
She was granted some power by the twin gods but "fucking powerful" seems like a stretch

The one time she managed to get an ordinary stab on Ikki he was completely blindsided too
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>>146553628
Why? saint seiya is not Dragon Ball, the very first chapter says that they focus on atoms, they repeat it again in sanctuary(camus and Hyoga) and Seiya repeats it again when he smashes the pilar. They repeat it all the fucking time.

No idea why it "bothers" you.
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>>146553687
>but "fucking powerful" seems like a stretch

Not the anon you are quoting, but she is powerful enough to make Radamanthys be afraid of her.
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>>146553628
Get some reading comprehension.
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>>146553775
Yeah she's his BOSS? Sister of Hades? I don't think he'd be trying to start shit with her even if she had absolutely no superhuman powers to begin with
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>>146553844
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>>146553985
Yeah I'm well aware of that scene, I don't see what are you trying to imply.

I think it's more likely she can fuck with Surplices with that harp or without it with whatever power the twin gods gave her more than anything. If she was so capable I'd think we'd have seen her do more than just bark orders most of the time.
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>>146554056
It doesn't really matter where she gets that power from. She has it and uses it, and we see Rad getting blasted by it.
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this volume was fun, thanks op
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>>146554137
There's too little info to go off from and we don't know to which point can she even do anything, really. I don't think she's powerful or that she even has enough knowledge to tank blasts that kill someone like Kiki and the other bronze saints do by putting it barriers or anything.

We don't see her getting down and dirty and she clarifies she could only traverse through Elysium because of her necklace so it's not any stretch to think she has some boosts compared to a regular human but is pretty average otherwise.
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>>146553727
And smashing atoms releases energy.

The amount of energy needed for the shit they do should set the entire atmosphere on fire if not just BTFO the planet and the whole solar system with it, yet there's hardly any damage to the surronings.

If you are going to outright say a character's move can tear planets apart, it should tear fucking planets apart.

>>146553838
The big band WAS a single point. That attack should engulf the entire observable universe in a malestrom of energy that it reduces everything to subatomic matter instantly.

Why not just say knights have the strength they actually demonstrate? Saying they are more powerful then they are shown to be serves no purpose.
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>>146554689
>Applying real science to a manga about gods and saints

Fuck off retard, there's an in-universe explanation: "Saints focus on atoms of the things they want to destroy" and in-universe it works like that. Stop being retarded.
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>>146554689
>Salty dragon ball fags are still at it 30 years later

Jesus.

You will literally never ever beat Saint Seiya or Sailor moon, their too fast, too haxxed and too powerful for DB.
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>>146554794
But it's fucking pointless and retarded

If gold knights are only ever shown creating damage comparable to a bomb going off, why not just fucking say that.

Why give specifics if you aren't going to bother to actually meet it?
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>>146554689
>If you are going to outright say a character's move can tear planets apart, it should tear fucking planets apart.
Meh, I don't think all the shit SS characters say is true.
Golds probably have blockbuster power.
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>>146554689
>Why doesn't this story work like my DC comic books xDDDD it doesn't count because Stan Lee doesn't portray it like this

>If you are going to outright say a character's move can tear planets apart, it should tear fucking planets apart.
If Kurumada doesn't want to have them tear planets apart they won't, what's the point of protecting earth if you blow the universe? Do you have a brain in your head there to realize that it makes no sense that these guys are fighting for JUSTICE and instead decide to kill everyone and everything?

>why not just say knights have the strength they actually demonstrate?
Same as above, use your brain.

>Saying they are more powerful then they are shown to be serves no purpose.
But they are as powerful as they're said to be, you just don't want to accept it because in your comics it doesn't work like that. Then you have retarded shit like Spider-Man beating Firelord that can blow suns, Silver Surfer getting rekt by cowboys or Superman being fucked in the ass by one of those stuff they use to brand livestock. Don't get me started on the Flash losing against a Banana peel or impaling himself with a sword(from a dude that's at best supersonic) when he's supposed to be multiple times faster than light.

Dunno why I bother to reply, it's pretty obvious that you're baiting.
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>>146554890
>I don't like how this series works so it doesn't count

Ok, bye.
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>>146554857
Well, DB might be able to beat Sailor Moon now thanks to Super's universe destroying stuff. But they still fall short of SS I think.
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>>146553628
The thing that bothers me in SS is the speed. Most of the speed feats in this manga are just allegories. Like when ikki tried to outrun shaka cosmos by crossing galaxies and never left the fucking room.
The power levels in this manga are kind of wonky and makes the enemies in poseidon fucking pussies.
But is still a very enjoyable manga even if the power is overrated by its fans.
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why does always some chapters get lost betwen volumes ?

like the end of the poseidon fight where is it ?
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>>146556502
>The power levels in this manga are kind of wonky and makes the enemies in poseidon fucking pussies.

The Generals were not meant to be Gold level-tier, and even then they still gave trouble to the Bronze Saints.

>even if the power is overrated by its fans

You get this kind of stuff in other manga too, like in DB characters are said to be able to destroy galaxies, but we never see it, we get stuff like a character only blasting off a mountain instead of half of the planet. Yet people don't question it...
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>>146557561
i want to know this too, i want to see the poseidon end
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>>146556502
>Like when ikki tried to outrun shaka cosmos by crossing galaxies and never left the fucking room.
Because he was being affected by an illusion, in his mind it was like he was running that much. It was the same illusion Shaka uses against the gold saints in pic related.
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>>146557561
>>146557954
It's right in the threads linked by the OP, what are you guys talking about?
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>>146557794
>You get this kind of stuff in other manga too, like in DB characters are said to be able to destroy galaxies, but we never see it, we get stuff like a character only blasting off a mountain instead of half of the planet. Yet people don't question it...

I think there's a more logical basis for the DB examples you gave then SS characters actually having the power kuramada claims they do, but I want to sleep and i'm lazy so it'll hate to wait till next thread if I remember

>>146557954
>>146557561
What are you talking about?
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>>146558248
if a character is said to be able to do lightspeed moves, we see it, if a character is said to able to use absolute zero air, we see it, etc. If we don't see stuff like planets blowing up is because it wouldn't serve the story.
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>>146555854
Sailor Moon characters still have hax, and they're also universe level.

Also faster than DB.
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>>146556502
>The thing that bothers me in SS is the speed.
First it was the power now the speed, I see you're just trying to grab at something there.

>Most of the speed feats in this manga are just allegories.
Says your ass.

>Like when ikki tried to outrun shaka cosmos by crossing galaxies and never left the fucking room.
It was an illusion, the same he used on Saga, Camus and Shura. Are you so dumb you can't understand shonen manga?

>The power levels in this manga are kind of wonky and makes the enemies in poseidon fucking pussies.
Not really, at all.

Poseidon generals were a lower level than Gold Saints but they werent weak, they were also capable of Light Speed and all that. Scales were just weaker than Gold Cloths.

Poseidon himself was weakened yet he still kicked everyone's ass(with Gold armors) until Athena meddled in.

Specters have different levels but even the mid tiers are capable of fighting Gold Saints(like Myu). Judges are around Kanon's level, who is the strongest Gold Saint.

Then there's the twins, stronger than every gold saint combined, and Hades who is the strongest character we've seen period, followed by Athena maybe.
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So what went down in the Age of Mythology? In addition to Hades and Poseidon, it seems Zeus was also involved in fighting over Earth.

Did the 3 of them stalemate each other before Athena came in and kicked them out?
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>>146560333
Zeus gave Earth to Athena when he left.

He's hyped to be the final boss since forever and like Poseidon says her actions in Saint Seiya are pissing the Olympians off.
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>>146560477
I wonder how Zeus will top Hades and Poseidon.

God Cloths for all his top soldiers?
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>>146542847
IIRC Charon is Italian. The Surplice design seems inspired by gondoliers.
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>>146550261
More like tanked Aurora Execution and died shortly after.
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>>146540837
Seiya's main abilities are being impossible to finish off and his attack gets stronger every time he uses it.
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>>146542880
>"To awaken the 8th sense, they have to master the 7th, therefore they don't burn their cosmo through the lower anymore." Yeah right.
Nowhere in the manga does it says that.
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>>146547036
WHAT? THEY FUCKING DIDN'T?

Why would they ruin stuffs?
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>>146549308
It wasn't fake he either. Orphéus just reverted it.
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>>146547497
>, but saying that Seiya and Shun are doing anything but really shittily in the fights here is asbsurd.
Seiya Beat charon and beat the face out of Cerberus.
> Sure he beat Charon but by all rights, Charon had him outskilled and only held back because of Shun
>and only held back because of Shun
But that' fucking Wrong. Seiya Faught Charon in a one on one fight and literally muled him. Do you even pay attention. And not a single time do they hold bag.

The only one they have difficulty is René but
1. they never really ever fought
2. René is a Celestial Star, close to the 3 commander.

> and he was totally helpless in the two fights after that.
Beat the crap out of Cerberus.

>Kanon is out kicking ass and taking names.
That's because Kanon is fucking Powerful.
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>>146548009
see>>146562007
And it was shun who was holding back Seiya.
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>>146561804
I know, another anon said that in previous thread.
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>>146548009
>It's only during the post Sanctuary part of Hades that it suddenly seems like they're pretty much stuck with the same level they had back two arcs ago.
Except that's wrong, Seiya completly laminated Charon.
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>>146552227
René might be a Descartes citation. It's not so out there considering that for some reason, manga Orpheus is supposedly correctly translittered to Orphée (as it is Orufe) from the french movie. Lune is some town in LotR and Rune could stand for the runes the Dwarves of Moria use to write, so likely it's just a punny name that is untraslatable.
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>>146562362
I think Rune is the best translation.
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>>146562080
If you read this volume, Charon would have killed Seiya twice easily, if not for Shun.
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>>146562007
Maybe you missed the part where Charon hurled Seiya in Acheron twice and had already shown all his moves to him when they actually fought.
René was such a shitty specter he wasn't even killed by a special move, but by Kanon poking a finger in his whip, and they still were helpless against him.
Cerberus can be held back by the bronze chain of a silver jobber (Cerberus Dante), how strong can he be? And again, just like with René, they were completely helpless against Yami Yugi.
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>>146554137
It doesn't however matter since when she is dying, every privilege she had was revoked.
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>>146562413
>>146562560
>Maybe you missed the part where Charon hurled Seiya in Acheron twice
Because He went sneaky on him. No one is safe from a low blow.

beside, it was all in all only projection. Not at a single point was Seiya ever hurt.

The river was Charon's only advantage, there.

>René was such a shitty specter he wasn't even killed by a special move,
He was killed by Kanon. And again, we never actually saw how a fight between him and Seiya would have turned out.
>Cerberus can be held back by the bronze chain of a silver jobber (Cerberus Dante)
Or so he say. Still Shun and Seiya made a quick job out of him.
>And again, just like with René, they were completely helpless against Yami Yugi.
And again, we never truly see them actually fight each other.
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>>146555097
Anon, I don't think anyone mentioned comics before you did.
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>>146560148
We don't really know if you could call Hades straight stronger than Athena, they seem to be more or less on the same level and while she was helped, Athena wins after all.
Also, Poseidon is on the same level as him. Let's not forget that the bronzes comment that his cosmo is 'hundreds time' stronger when he gets serious towards the end, and he's Hades' brother and fellow Olympian. Despite what Thanatos might think, he's the real deal.
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>>146562560
>Maybe you missed the part where Charon hurled Seiya in Acheron twice and had already shown all his moves to him when they actually fought.

If Charon was a match for Seiya he would've killed him with those 2 techniques, he couldn't.

And Seiya showed him his meteor like 3 times, not to mention the meteor is his weakest attack
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>>146563142
Also, people say the only reason Seiya won was because Shun Saved him, but what they seem to forget is that Seiya ALSO saved Shun
-While he was still in the river
-And being carried down by tons of Zombies

And alredy there he was able to overcome Charon.
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>>146563203
Seiya didn't even burn his Cosmos either.

In fact so far none of them have even tapped into the 7th sense. The only one shown going at full power is Kanon
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>>146536717
Adding to this, is there a rip of the Crunchysubs for the anime or am I still stuck with the crappy ones?
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>>146560148
The only stated speed in hades is from The battle against charon. Mach 18.
Seya was arguably kicking ass and taking names in poseidon and had tô strugle against Tha shit
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>>146565827
Are we reading the same manga? Seiya was having trouble with Baian until he burned his cosmos to gold saint level. Same thing with Charon, once Seiya burned his comos, he beat the shit out of Charon.
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>>146566177
>Same thing with Charon, once Seiya burned his comos, he beat the shit out of Charon.

Seiya never burned his cosmos against Charon, are you reading the manga?

Seiya has not fought anyone seriously in this arc so far.
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>>146560698
Diamond cloths
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>>146566353
i thought that was implied, since his meteor punch was faster than before.
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>>146565827
>>146560148
First, don´t try to state samefag without proof. Attack the argument and not the people and you will win.
Now let me try and give some context to my words:
I´m actually kind of a oldfag. I´m not from the US and actually watched saint seya when it first aired in my country in the 90´s.
First it was Saint Seya, then Shurato then dragon ball (not dragon ball z like in the US but dragon ball) and finally Yu Yu Hakusho.
The SS crowd was the loudest and stated that the saints are the strongest ever. Since the anime aired years before the manga, the only feats that we had are something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIPnA9HVdDM
Sorry but I was unable to find something better. In this batlle you can see the destructive potential of the saints but the actual speed was ..slow. Shiryu was having trouble matching a wolf´s speed.Since he was unable to defend against actual wolfs (note that he was able to sense the cosmo but the speed was still a issue) he was overwhelmed.

Combine that with Saints taking hours to go over some stairs in the sanctuary and the utter lack of speed feats and you see the patttern.

In the end it was a sort of agreement between fans that the saints can reach light speed when atacking but not otherwise.

When the manga was released it was a hit between fans but it didnt show that much difference between the actual feats. So the instances that you claim are illusion have been used in the past as feats of speed.

And now, we are here more than 20 years later than when I first watched saint seya in 1994 and having the same sort of arguments.

So, since you are a better man than I am try to find a speed feat that is not related to atacks in the manga until vol. 23.Bonus: A speed feat that show the light speed movement. There´s a couple but without context of time to measure. There´s a lot more that show that they are slowly when moving than that. History time is over. Seeya
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>>146566578
>So, since you are a better man than I am try to find a speed feat that is not related to atacks in the manga until vol. 23.
Not him, but Hyoga and Shun traveled from Eastern Syberia and Japan to Greece in just a few hours, and the Gold Saints went from Greece to Germany before their 12 hours were finished, only to perish there.
A very powerful allegory of Germany using Greece's own economy to lay ruin of it and steal its gold at the speed of light.
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>>146546951
Shun's pretty face works like a charm!
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>>146566578
>Sorry but I was unable to find something better. In this batlle you can see the destructive potential of the saints but the actual speed was ..slow. Shiryu was having trouble matching a wolf´s speed.Since he was unable to defend against actual wolfs (note that he was able to sense the cosmo but the speed was still a issue) he was overwhelmed.
Filler.

>Combine that with Saints taking hours to go over some stairs in the sanctuary and the utter lack of speed feats and you see the patttern.
Can't use superspeed there.

I just started SS with these threads but I think you're making a fuss over nothing, yes SS is a bit wacky no one would refuse that.
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>>146566977
>A very powerful allegory of Germany using Greece's own economy to lay ruin of it and steal its gold at the speed of light.
Nice.
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>>146560148
>>146565827
>>146566578
>>146566977
>>146567030
You fool, The debate of the speed at which, SS characters can displace themeslves has already been settled down.

It's the same one at which Captain Tsubasa is able to cross one of his 10 km long Soccer field. Give or take.
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>>146567215
To be fair Tsubasa and friends have pretty long legs, you know.
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