Why is the cast of UBW so inferior to the cast of Zero?

It has Saber in it.

inb4 both has Saber in it. UBW has more Saber in it.

Saber a shit.

>>146514300
Because nasu is such an absolute fucking hack that even Urobuchi is a better writer.

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>>146514300
Because it had Waver.

And that shithead Shirou wasn't in it until the end.

>>146514300
>cast of UBW
What.

>>146514300
Because Zero was actually telling a story and had a focus on plot from conception, while UBW is just an adaptation of porn designed for people to self-insert as Shirou so they can fantasize about boning the various love interests.

>>146514300
The Butcher is a better writer.

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>>146514300
More memorable characters

>>146514300
You're a funny guy, OP. I like you. That's why I'm going to shitpost your topic last.

>>146514300
Simple really
Zero had Broskander

>>146517001
This. Surprise surprise, a mostly female cast aimed at a male audience is boring as fuck compared to a gender balanced cast meant to appeal to everyone.

>>146514300
>inferior
>protagonist who develops & not just edgelord
>bisexual heroine who somewhat develops
>people who aren't named Waver who get character development

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>>146517001
>self-insert as Shirou
Do you fap to katanas or something?

>>146520539
It's a porn novel, so yes you are suppose to insert yourself into him.

They should've switched the characters for Alexander and Gilgamesh, Alexander died when he was 32 and is never depicted with a beard, while Gilgamesh is and he fucking kills lions with his bare hands, so it would make sense for him to be huge

>>146514300
None of the characters in Zero come even close to the characters in Fate, dumb secondary.

Rin > Tokiomi
Cu Chulainn > Diarmuid
F/sn Kotomine > F/Z Kotomine
Ilya > Irisviel
Herakles > Lancelot

The issue of Riders is difficult. Which do you go for more, large, burly, manly men with high charisma or pretty, large-breasted women who are literal sex goddesses?

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>>146520964
>self-inserting into a deranged, psychotic Japanese ginger
Only if there was an Illya route.

>>146522821
Shirou isn't psychotic. Psychopaths lack empathy and inhibition. Shirou's pretty twisted, but he's no Kotomine.

>>146522821

>What is Prisma?

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>>146522911
If/when Prillya has to deal with the 5th HGW, maybe. As it is right now, no. She's her own character at this point anyway.

>>146522911
See, when people ask for an Ilya route, they're asking for a route starring Fate/stay night's Ilya. You know, that moody, murderous little urchin who's #2 on the "Characters Who Are Responsible For the Deaths of Emiya Shirou" rankings.

The Ilya in Prisma may as well be a completely different character.

>>146514300
Iskander is an asshole. Even Uro didn't want to make him likable the second time around, for the FGO Zero event.

>>146514300
Ensemble cast that follows all teams instead of following the perspective of one. Kerry is just a shitty version of Shirou though.

>>146522958

She's Illya without all the torture, heartbreak and everything that twisted her into a near-psychopathic girl. Illya fans really should be happy that there's a version of her that never had to lose her mother and father, go through agonizing training and get thrown to the wolves and then guaranteed to die within a year so she can never have a real happy ending.

>>146522989
The problem with Alex is that, seriously, his methods and ideology really don't work for anyone other than him. He lives in a hilariously convenient fantasy world where doing whatever stupid shit that strikes your fancy is somehow ultimately guaranteed to work out.

Who the fuck leads his entire army into the goddamn desert in search of something that probably doesn't exist? How many people died in that utterly pointless journey? Alex was, for all intents and purposes, a terrible king who got by entirely off of luck and charisma.

>>146523060
And military tactics.

>>146523081
Shame he showed absolutely none of that in Fate/Zero. To be honest, nearly every single character's tactics in that series was poop. Even Kiritsugu.

Though, really, I don't think any character in any Fate-related story ever really shows significant skill in warfare and strategy. Though I'd imagine that has less to do with the characters and more to do with the authors.

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>>146522750
>Rin > Tokiomi

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>>146523049
I just want to save Illya. Also more NBR brother-sister bonding.

>>146523208
Rin's an idiot, but Tokiomi's a super-idiot. Sorry, but I have absolutely no praise for that idiot.

>>146523208
That's the one you took issue with? Fucking really?
Tokiomi was one of the flattest characters in F/Z. I can only assume you're just one of those faggots who hates Rin.

>>146523218

Illya can't be saved. That's the point. She's doomed to die within a year or two no matter what happens.

At least Prisma Illya was spared that fate.

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>>146523245
>I can only assume you're just one of those faggots who hates Rin.
Problem?

She's a shit character and her ONE episode in F/Z nearly dragged down the entire first season into mediocrity with how terrible it was.

>>146523249
Yeah, but so what? Prisma Ilya may as well be a completely different person. Whether she has a happy life or not has nothing to do with Fate's Ilya.

To begin with, how the hell is Prisma supposed to satisfy people who wanted an Ilya route? She just has Ilya's face and name. If the contents are completely different, then it's pretty irrelevant. This holds especially true for fictional characters who only exist on paper.

>>146523293
>Problem?
Not really. I don't really have a preference for Fate characters, so it doesn't bother me. It's just silly to see a character as undeveloped and underutilised as Tokiomi be rated over an actual developed heroine like Rin.
Stick to your prejudices though, I just wanted to call you out on them is all.

>>146514300
But you posted a picture of rider and he is superior to even the Zero cast. UBW doesn't even stand a chance in this comparison.

>>146523383
Really? He was just an idiot. You guys just like him because he's a large muscular man who happens to have some charisma.

>>146518765
This is it, this is the answer.

It also had a better version of Gilgamesh, but that's incidental to the main issue, that being the glorious presence of the king of conquerors.

>>146522750
Kiritsugu > Shirou
Tokiomi > Rin
Waver > Shinji
Alexander > UBW Rider
FZ Saber > UBW Saber
Diarmuid > Cu
F/Z Kirei > UBW Kirei
Ilya > Irisviel
Herakles > Lancelot
FZ Gilg > UBW Gilg
UBW Assassin > F/Z Assassin
Gille de Rais > Princess

I could go on but it's late

>>146523471
He has more charisma than the entirety of the f/sn cast combined.

>>146523497
Bullshit. Kiritsugu was a dumbass. Tokiomi was a moron. Alexender was a retard. Diarmuid was a bitch. F/Z Kotomine was a boring. Gilles was just a madman, no different from a schizophrenic hobo who hangs out around supermarkets.

>>146522750
>The issue of Riders is difficult

It's not. UBW rider doesn't get enough screen time to be a character. Kotomine in UBW is a little bitch. The only objectively better character in UBW was Cu.

>>146523523
He was just loud and selfish. That's like saying Donald Trump has charisma.

>>146523538
Cu barely gets any screen time either though.

>>146518688
Ryuunoske was pushing it, Caster was just flat out stupid, and boring. Plus, listening to his va shriek every line in that shrill voice was unpleasant.

Worst part of the series, without a doubt.

>Having that stupid fucking shoehorn connection between Caster and Arturia.

Just retarded, desu. They should have killed team caster off immediately, and done Arturia-Lancelot backstory instead. And more Lancer backstory.

>>146523497
I hate Medea but even then I'd say she was still a better character than Gille.

>>146523538
Why are we constraining it to UBW on it's own in the first place? To give F/Z a fighting chance? F/SN as a whole is better regardless.

>>146514300

Another thread started by a newfag who saw F/Z before any other fate

>>146523556
Eh. Does anyone really give a shit about Diarmuid's backstory? He's kind of lame, really.

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>>146523610
I did.

>>146523549
The death scene alone made him better than Diarmuid for sure.

>>146523639
That death scene was so stupid though.
>Kill yourself Cu
>just killing I'm not really dead
>Ok now I'm dead for real this time
>just kidding I'm still alive
>Alright goodbye and good luck rin lol

>>146523586
>Why are we constraining it to UBW on it's own in the first place?

Because I assume OP is talking about the adaptation since he said ubw.

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>>146523639
I liked Diarmuid's death scene better

>>146523669
Oh. In which case, neither is that great. Both anime adaptations lost a lot of what the source materials had. That and UBW doesn't work particularly well as a stand-alone story, and F/Z wasn't that amazing to begin with.

>>146523725
Oh, cry me a river you crybaby.

>"Waaahhh, I didn't get what I wanted!"
>"Waaahhh, I died as a result of treachery!"

Welcome to heroism. Most heroes tend to live shitty lives, have shitty choices and receive shitty ends. But not all of them bitch about it.

>>146523662
Not as bad as Diarmuid I think.

>kill yourself Diarmuid
>but I was such a nice guy
>why does everyone hate me I was just being nice
>you guys are all assholes
>fuck everything lol

>>146514300
>cast of UBW

What?

>>146520964
>It's a porn novel
Less than 1% of the content is sex.

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>>146514300
>the cast of UBW

Zerobabbies trying to talk about Fate always makes me laugh.

>>146523725
For going out like a bitch, kicking and screaming? I guess that sums up the taste of Urobuccher fanboys though. Always better with melodrama.

>>146523776
FSN as a whole doesn't work well as a stand alone story as it's not designed to be so. Much easier for FZ as it's just one coherent story.

>>146523916
How do you mean? F/SN read from start to finish holds up just fine. Just because it's separated into routes doesn't make it less coherent.
F/Z works as one linear narrative, but F/SN's three routes put together is a superior story.

>>146523895
Well, it's one thing for regular people to go out like that. But a hero should be above that sort of thing. That's what makes them heroes, the very stuff of myth and legends. They rose above the limitations of man and were able to touch the realm of gods.

Diarmuid was a subpar hero.

>>146523497
>Kiritsugu > Shirou
If your metric for this is that "trenchcoats and guns are super rad, also I'm 13" then yes. Otherwise no, there's no way Kiritsugu measures up to Shirou as a character. Everything interesting about him was already in F/SN, F/Z if anything lessened my opinion of him.
>Tokiomi > Rin
How exactly? He's inferior to his daughter in every measurable way. A worse magus, a worse master, a terrible father, a total fool and an insufferable bore to watch. I'm still convinced the only people who like him genuinely are fujos, the rest are just edgy contrarians who don't want to admit F/SN's characters are better.

>>146523990
>How exactly? He's inferior to his daughter in every measurable way. A worse magus, a worse master, a terrible father, a total fool and an insufferable bore to watch. I'm still convinced the only people who like him genuinely are fujos, the rest are just edgy contrarians who don't want to admit F/SN's characters are better.

Rin is a shitty character with barely an development despite the bazilion of lines that mostly serves to fellate Shirou and infodumps, fuck off.

>>146524031
>edgy contrarian response
Nailed it. Like you'd know anything about Rin's character, you haven't played F/SN, you probably didn't even watch all of UBW. You get more personality out of Rin just from the prologue of F/SN than you did out of Tokiomi in the entirety of F/Z.

>>146524031
>criticizes Rin for "lack of development"
>rates Tokiomi as better despite the fact that he's so two dimensional not even Urobuchi bothered to spend more time on him than necessary
You could actually write quite a bit about Rin's personality without ever mentioning her role in the story or what her relationship is with Shirou and still fill up a couple a page or two. Doing the same summary for Tokiomi wouldn't even take 100 words. Maybe not even 50.

>>146524175
>You could actually write quite a bit about Rin's personality without ever mentioning her role in the story or what her relationship is with Shirou and still fill up a couple a page or two. Doing the same summary for Tokiomi wouldn't even take 100 words. Maybe not even 50.

Prove it.

>>146524083
I wish I didn't play F/SN, one of the worst regret of my life.

At least it got me into Tsukihime and Zero, so it's not entirelly wasted time, I guess.

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>>146523234
>>146523245
>not digging that fabulous closet explorer

>>146525239
Well, he's fabulous, but not exactly a particularly well-developed character. The best thing he did in F/Z was flesh out Rin's character, really.

>>146514300
BROSKANDER LMAO

>>146523049
But then there is kuro which is basically that

F:Z was more focused in general than F/SN. The cast is better because they have inherent ideological conflicts/development at the heart of their interactions, whereas F/SN had a lot more useless filler characters that didn't add anything to the story beyond being a mythological cameo.

>>146523497
>Kiritsugu > Shirou

I hope people stop this meme. Kiritsugu is simply inferior to Shirou.

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>>146520517
>Shirou developing
>Anyone in UBW developing

Unions

>>146527419
>i'm an autist

>>146527584
Fate is a terrible franchise as a whole, but this is to be expected when it literally started as porn that was taken too seriously.

>>146517001
>Shirou
>self-insert

Oh am I laffin

>>146527705
>started as porn
Not really, they only added h-scenes because back at the time, visual novels weren't that popular and they feared it wouldn't sell.

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>>146522750
>Ilya > Irisviel
>Rin > Tokiomi

>>146527786
Yeah tell yourself that, and I'm sure Nasu is misunderstood and is actually an amazing writer instead of an oaf who can't develop anything and only makes waifu pandering garbage. I'm sure Shirou is also a really deep character with tons of indepth development rather than a stupid insert character who is left bland and boring so the fanbase can insert as him.

>>146515992
I uses to hate Shirou until I started watching Re Zero.
At least Shirou doesn't have an autistic outburst every episode.

>>146514300
Why are you comparing UBW to Zero? Read the VN.

>>146523725
he cried like a little bitch. cu took it atleast like a man everytime he died.

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I'll just get it over with

>>146514300
Why do we still have these threads when everyone knows the FSN cast is more beloved and well regarded than the FZ cast outside of Rider and for whatever reason Waver to some small degree?

>good characters
>zero
Irisviel
>ubw
Medea/Caster

The dialog and general development of everyone but Shiro is SHIT

I've never been through the VN but it absolutely MUST be better than the anime.

>>146528066
>i haven't read the vn

Please leave this thread you are not allowed to have an opinion.

>>146528066
>I've never been through the VN
It's the same garbage but more words and less dynamic an execution than UBW. So it's also shit.

>>146523725
Agree.
It actually hurt when he died.

Fuck the F/SN cast.
Specifically Cu

>>146515909
Is this a shitpost? It's literally the other way around. Saber was put on the backburner in UBW, while in Zero she was second only to Kerry in terms of screentime

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>>146528146
>you aren't allowed the critisize an adaptation without reading the source material
Why do Fate babbies turn every criticism into 'DUDE VISUAL NOVEL'

>>146529056
Because most people haven't played that piece of shit eroge so they treat it as some bastion to escape criticism of the series. Even though the vn is more or less the same thing if not worse.

>>146514300
Why the fuck Alexander the great is more weak than a japanese boy.
Iskander in one of the most weak character of the fate universe and that is sad, this guy almost rule the world and is treated as shit.

>>146518765
And he is so shit than even Medusa can kill him.

>>146529205
As you just said, he''s a ruler, not a fighter.

What's with all the sudden hatred for the bro?

>>146529329
VNfags trying desperately to find reasons for their precious vn being better.

>>146529329
Fate fans are desperate to never admit that as middle of the road Zero is it's the best entry in this awful franchise and that Iksander and Waver are more fleshed out characters than anyone else in this crap. They also like to pretend it isn't primarily an eroge.

>>146529494
This to be honest. It blows my mind that Fatefags unironically thing that fate is well written.

>>146529604
It blows my mind when the truly delusional Shirou and Saber defense force rolls out. I think out of all anime fans, people who claim those two are deep well written characters are the ones who are truly beyond saving.

>>146529604
>thinking anything related to anime is well-written

You know there are other mediums if you want to see Shakesphere-tier writing right?

>>146529604
Fate/Zero was genuinely well written and that's mainly due to Urobuchi. The Fate series as a whole is a different beast entirely. I think the best word I've ever heard to describe the Nasuverse was "byzantine". It's an admittedly gargantuan feat in world building, linking together multiple franchises through an insanely dense timeline. Unfortunately, most of the characterization is absolute tripe and just serves as a vehicle to expand the Nasuverse even further.

>>146529693
I kind reading things above the quality of a fourth grader's book report, so I'll continue judging Nasu for the awful writer he is. He made a very interesting premise but can ultimately not do fucking anything with it.

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>>146514300
>the cast of UBW
>secondaries will never wrap their heads around the fact that the routes are never meant to be taken individually, and are all part of a greater work
kys

>>146529604
It's pretty hilarious seeing them get upset when you tell them there are much better VNs out there that are actually worth the time to read. Years ago Fatefags would get into flamewars with Keyfags and MuvLuvfags, only to get BTFO and be in denial that people somehow like something that doesn't read like it was written by a robot.

>>146529932
>secondaries will never wrap their heads around the fact that the routes are never meant to be taken individually, and are all part of a greater work
Just because a piece of shit is comprised of three pieces of shit doesn't somehow elevate it to anything other than a larger piece of shit. All of fate is terrible, get over it.

>>146529966
>implying Keyshit and MuvLuv are somehow vastly superior to Fate
Personal preference doesn't equal quality senpai, Fate/stay Night is a kamige regardless of what you or /jp/ think.

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>>146530105
It does make it meaningless to try to compare one individual part to an entire work, which is what secondaries frequently do to appear smart. Otherwise I just have to disagree, every route is good in a different way and the overall product is fantastic.

>>146530133
>using kamige unironically and yet complaining about /jp/'s opinion like they matter
Nice bait, 4/10, made me reply.

>>146530209
The plot is basic and very contrived, the writing is stilted, the characters are atrociously flat and exhibit no development, it really just has an interesting premise and that's all. The world of fate is an interesting one and in the hands of a competent writer maybe something could come for it, I mean Zero was fun and that was made by Urobutcher not some god tier writer. Fates biggest problem is Nasu, he's a fucking terrible writer who really shows that he originally was making a porn with how wooden the dialogue is and how point a to point b the Mary Sue protagonists move through the plot.

Enjoy it, nothing wrong with having fun with what you like. Just don't act like it's flaws aren't there.

>>146530393
We get it anon, you have "superior" taste. Now go back to MAL/reddit

>>146530133
Are you freaking serious? Even popular shit that's been released on Steam like Grisaia and NekoPara are better than Nasu trash, which hasn't been good since Tsukihime. Please get back to me when you've read something other than F/SN and Craptawa Shitjo.

>>146530449
You like fate so it sounds like you are more their type of crowd, friend.

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>>146530472
>grisaia
>better than fate

now you're just baiting

>>146514300
>Fate/Zero
>Warlords, Sorcerers and Mercenaries with reasonable conflicting goals fighting a war full of planning, preparation, backstabbing and espionage

>UBW
>bunch of kids with superpowers in muh shonen fights and muh love triangle with a cackling cartoon villain

The sad thing is that said cartoon villain was an actual interesting character in Zero.

>>146529604
>b-but MUH symbolism!
>s-secondary!
Fatefags act like the VN is some sort of masterpiece and will always go full retard trying to defend it.

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>>146530472
>Grisaia
>NekoPara
Can't make this shit up. I have read other shit, Fate isn't perfect by any means but it is pretty fucking top tier nevertheless. Some elitists just like to dismiss it because it's a gateway VN now. Tsukihime is good but only due to a few shining moments, F/SN is better executed all around.

>>146514300
>Inferior
>Masters and servants of the 5th > masters and servants of the 4th
>inferior
heh

>>146529205
That's because Greece already has too many top tier servants representing them. They needed to throw out a shitter and Iskandar came along

>>146524189
Sakura

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>you will never follow Iskandar into battle

>>146527944
Enjou Tomoe sure is wish fulfilment amirite

>>146514300
No you fuck off with your shitty opinion, here's your (You). I'll admit though Lancelot is a superior berserker. Alex is not better than Medusa.

>>146531035
>Lancelot is a superior berserker
>But Iskandar isn't better than Medusa
fresh memes right here

>>146530393

The plot of fate is ingenious in it's details and a breath of fresh air compared to the creatively sterile pop culture I'm used to.

Whether you enjoy it or not depends on whether you can understand what it's about- a commentary about the sort of stories and characters we see in fiction and the philosophies and silent assumptions they represent.

Think about things like Terminator or Bioshock Infinite and how a two minute conversation with Nasu would have enlightened the authors about how utterly incoherent their ideas about time travel were. There's a lot of love show for this series and the fact that the guy who wrote it has a degree in this shit shows. It's meant to be casual entertainment sure but for people who can't stomach the stupidity and lack of self-awareness that usually implies.

Fate Zero is and always was considered bonus content designed for the action fans the series picked up and never meant to stand on its own. It was designed by committee stuff like Wavers storyline being written independently from Urobochi and was there to flesh out characters like Ilya, Kotomine and Saber's backstories. It has its own strengths mostly being more compact but most of it's just throwbacks to the original and repeating the points that were already made before.

>>146531470
Is this a joke? In any other thread I would assume so but so many Fatefags unironically believe this.

Urobuchi isn't afraid to make decent characters miserable husks of their former selves.

Makes for better entertainment.

>>146531470
>Think about things like Terminator or Bioshock Infinite and how a two minute conversation with Nasu would have enlightened the authors about how utterly incoherent their ideas about time travel were.
But he did the same thing. Archer going back in time makes fucking zero sense because he should have experienced the past knowing this did not happen, and if he did manage to kill Shirou it would create a paradox since there would be no Shirou to become Archer and fulfil the timeline. Terminator 1 and 2 makes sense because killing Sarah Connor is inconsequential to the creation of skynet, and further expresses that skynet and the robot uprising is an unavoidable inevitability so the future never truly was changed at any point. Not to mention terminator 1 proved it's sound logic with time because Kyle Reese is the father of John Connor and fulfilled that part of the timeline by traveling back in time because no matter what happens to the timeline skynet attempts to kill Sarah Connor.

Terminator is a fucking masterpiece of logic compared to this shit. Nothing Archer does is sound logic and is in fact stupid, as are almost all time travel plots.

>>146531510
What you think /a/'s "shit on everything constantly until people think I've actually got an opinion attitude" is genuine?

Zero is a gory 90s manime that came out during a period where everyone was tired of moeshit.

Stay Night is a book. It's not a light novel, it's a door stopping urban fantasy. Of course it's where the meat of the series actual development happened. Picking the best death scenes and transplanting them into Zero might improve the experience on screen but it's not the going to make the storyline and themes any richer than they were originally.

>>146531979
>he thinks FSN is badly written
>he must be just a /a/ contrarian
FSN isn't well written. It's entertaining but it's nowhere near a masterpiece.

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>>146531979
>gory 90s manime
>90s
>manime
Get out

>Stay Night is a book. It's not a light novel, it's a door stopping urban fantasy.
GET OUT

>Of course it's where the meat of the series actual development happened.
>>>/out/
>Picking the best death scenes and transplanting them into Zero might improve the experience on screen but it's not the going to make the storyline and themes any richer than they were originally
See image

>>146531843
Archer is explicitly an illogical character and his illogic gets pointed out to him by the rest of the cast in order to point out how stupid this shit is. (to which he agrees that it's stupid but that he isn't trying to change time which is impossible his trying to piss of a logic spirit that runs the throne of heroes in hopes that causing problems will make them more reluctant to use him)

The way in which Fate is better than every other time travel story is that it explicitly refutes the central point. Saber can't go back in time to undo her failings because the conscious experience of those events aka the part that actually matters for moral reasoning is impossible to undo even if time itself and the consequences could be altered.

>>146532254
sorry for triggering you tumblr.jpg-fampie

>>146532075
what part of it didn't you enjoy? the weird use of kanji? the puns? people talking in obscure dialects?

because everything about the plot and characters was amazing

>>146532568
I enjoyed it like I enjoy Code Geass. Not well written but entertaining as hell.

>>146532348
>Archer is explicitly an illogical character and his illogic gets pointed out to him by the rest of the cast in order to point out how stupid this shit is. (to which he agrees that it's stupid but that he isn't trying to change time which is impossible his trying to piss of a logic spirit that runs the throne of heroes in hopes that causing problems will make them more reluctant to use him)
Characters addressing that what he is stupid doesn't make it not stupid, it's still idiotic.
>The way in which Fate is better than every other time travel story is that it explicitly refutes the central point. Saber can't go back in time to undo her failings because the conscious experience of those events aka the part that actually matters for moral reasoning is impossible to undo even if time itself and the consequences could be altered
Except it's not time traveling her, it's summoning her dead spirit. Specifically to fight the war. This is no two way street.

>>146532393
Sorry that I don't have the image I wanted saved on where I'm posting from so I just grabbed it off Google. You got a real argument there, buckaroo?

>>146523060
Yeah, but wasn't that the point? I mean, Gilgamesh had a whole speech about whole "lul get real" while waving Ea.

>>146514300
You posted a pic of the reason

>>146532692
>Code Geass
>not well written
Fuck right off, fag.

>>146532692
Nice bait faggot

>>146532715
>summoning her dead spirit
Fuck off secondary.

>>146515992
It's funny how Waver became the real protagonist of the Fate franchise.

He's fucking everywhere.

>>146522989
Except he was likeable in the zero event. You're retarded if you think he isn't. He saved Sakura and Kariya. And made Waver snap out his emo adult phase.

UBW was full of annoying kids.

You don't get to see both sides usually but with Fate, you do and it's usually a downgrade when you have to watch 15 year olds save the world. Those series are usually just watched for the harem bullshit and fanservice anyways.

>>146535848
It's more believable and acceptable for kids to be retarded/annoying than adults.

>>146535848
What is wrong with kids saving the world? I really do not understand people who despice kids for being kids.

>>146514300
Because Zero was pretty serious while UBW is just nasu's eroge adaptation setting for shonen and self-inserting otakus who want to fuck king arthur the foreigner and also the popular girl of the school and the kouhai with huge boobs.

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This guy would be a 10/10 caster who can penetrate Shirou's thick plot armor.

>>146531470
>>146531979
Blown the fuck out.

>>146520539
>>146527729
I self insert to Shirou because he's just as retarded and autistic as me. I can really relate to his character and I also project myself unto him while he fucks my waifu.

Stop treating self-insert as an insult.

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>>146514300
Heaven's Feel > Zero > UBW = Fate > Hollow Ataraxia > Prisma

Assuming we're not counting Carnival Phantasm since we all know that that's the fucking best.

>>146522750
>>146523497
Heaven's Feel Shirou > Kiritsugu > UBW Shirou > Fate Shirou

Fate Saber > Zero Saber = Saber Alter > UBW Saber

Rin = Loli Rin > Tokiomi

Archer is the fucking best in every story.

Heaven's Feel Kirei = Zero Kirei > Fate Kirei > Caren Hortensia >>>>>>>>>>>> UBW Kirei

Zero Gilgamesh > UBW Gil = Fate Gil > Shota > Heaven's Feel Gil

Sakura = Kariya

Waver > shit >>>>>>>>> Shinji

Iskandar = Heaven's Feel Rider > Fate Rider > UBW Rider

UBW Cu Chulainn = Carnival Phantasm Cu > Diarmuid > Fate Cu > Heaven's Feel Cu

Bazett > shit >>>>>>>>> Kayneth

Heaven's Feel Ilya > Irisviel > Fate Ilya = UBW Ilya >>>>>>>>>>> Prisma Ilya

Lancelot > Herakles

Zouken > Ryuunosuke > Kuzuki

Carnival Phantasm Medea > Gille de Rais > Medea

Sasaki Kojiro > Heaven's Feel Hassan > Zero Hassan(s)

>>146535508
Yeah no

>>146523811
>cohesively written character drama
>temporarily reviving a killed character twice in the same scene to do something noble and heroic before "actually" dying: i.e. the character is portrayed to die three times in the same scene

I don't think you understand the comparison to be made here mate

>>146536704
>Insecure beta who could only mindbreak women with drugs and magic
>Panic at the first sight of betrayal and chimp out at his slut instead of re-educate her with the D.
>Imply he could survive UBW
>Imply he wouldn't get bitch-slap as a shit-tier magus in Nasuverse
>Imply he could even get pass "Mind of Steel" Shirou "Sword Fetishist" Emiya.
Stop shilling your shitty self-insert manga here.

>>146538764
>yeah no

>>>/tumblr/

>>146535580
>I don't care if you're trying to save the world and everyone in it, I don't like you so I'm going to fight you and doom the world if I win
Nah, fuck that guy.

>>146538988
>Stop shilling your shitty self-insert manga here.
>self-insert
oh the irony.

>>146539450
>sociopath with twisted world-view borderlined insanity.
> self-insert

>>146538988
Aur would just pull off some bullshit magic against all fateshit characters and enslaved all the females to add them in his harem.

>>146539606
>sociopath with twisted world-view borderlined insanity.
>implying your average fatefag isn't like that.

>>146539614
>Asspull
>Against stuff like reverse-causality insta-death spear, swordskills rip through space itself, regenerating and self adapting skin, hiding in another dimension while attack with big ass laser sword, Gates of Babylon and Ea.
Yeah, unless fucking Masada or Nasu himself write for Aur, I don't think anyone could spew out a counter for everything above.

>>146534841
>>146535029
>implying code geass wasn't the most glorious train wreck

>>146539639
>Average horny beta male thinks everyone must be crazy to read a story with a crazy lead.
Here's your (you)

>>146529666
Check. 666 he speaks the true. Also the love story is fucking bad, man.

>>146539844
>Against stuff like reverse-causality insta-death spear, swordskills rip through space itself, regenerating and self adapting skin, hiding in another dimension while attack with big ass laser sword, Gates of Babylon and Ea.
Aur's bullshit overcame more than that.

>>146540010
>fatefag calling someone beta
Holy shit the irony again.

Because it's still based on meh eroge

/thread

fuck off

>>146540129
>/thread
You can't /thread your own posts.

>>146540208
thanks for reminding me Sherlock

Fate is just as bad as >>146536704

>>146540071
Really? From what I've read. He's not even half at Medea's magecraft level. Is he getting even more power up in the WN?

>>146540111
>I can't give out a counterargument so I would spout more buzzword. Surely that would show him!
Here's another (you) for trying, mate.

>>146540331
>Is he getting even more power up in the WN?
He kills all the gods later on.

>>146540408
>coming from someone who started using buzzwords

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>>146532715
>Zerofag secondary has not even read the fucking Fate route
Man, you really can't make this shit up.

>>146540567
>Still couldn't give a satisfying counter-argument.
>Clinging to any words that trigger him.

>>146540438
What kind of abilities did he get by that time?

>>146540728
I have no idea, I just know that he beat them from an anon that gave a summary of the novel in a thread.

>>146538988
>>146539844
>>146540331
>so autistic that he is actually comparing fate to a power fantasy manga
Aur is a power fantasy character, his bullshit is on a whole different level. Every single fate character will bow down to his cock if he was summoned as a servant there. Just fucking ignore it if I were you.

Embarassing.

>>146541718
He even cucked a standard haremshit there like Shirou.

Kiritsugu may seem like a deeper character than Shirou but he can't compare to him even though Shirou is insufferable.

BTW, did Archer drop the name 'Shirou'?

>>146523974
>three routes put together

That's the problem for an adaptation though. You forcefully put them together you get DEEN/SN.

is this bait?

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We do all agree that Ryuunosuke>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that boring ass teacher, right?

>>146544873
They were both boring characters

>>146514300
FSN was a typical shounen story. Highschool kids doing highschool kid things, underdog story, limited perspective, forced romance, all that boring shit.

Zero was allowed to do it's own thing pretty much, and the restrictions placed on it by being a prequel to fsn actually helped it be a better story.

>>146532692
Code Geass was well-written in the only categories that matter. Good protagonist and endgame, good source of entertainment. Everything else was varying amounts of relatively better or worse depending on the episode/season.

>>146544461
I don't know why this is seen to be a problem. You do it omnibus style. Ufotable already grasped that since they're following up with HF.
Just do a very brief recap of the repeated stuff and then run from there.

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>>146529240
>And he is so shit than even Medusa can kill him.
>even Medusa

What's your fucking problem bitch?

Medusa is not a weak servant at all with a proper master.

>>146529329
Probably hype backlash. He's likable but one-note so the constant praise doesn't have much to stand on and gets annoying

>>146548011
medusa a is confirmed weak servant though.

>>146532568
Not him but there's ton of problems with FSN. It's 10,000-20,000 words too long on each route.

For example how many fucking time do you have to go through "I woke up in a fire" Shirou's monologue? Almost every goddamn morning. The writing is repetitive and without nuance. It's okay of the writer had a way to write the same thing differently but nope, it's the same goddamn CG and the same goddamn monologue everytime.

Also a big part that undermines FSN is the memetastic sex scenes. I don't mind sex as means of mana transfer, but the sex scenes are mostly out of place and hamfisted, the writing quality plunges to oblivion and it's not even consistent with the plot logic nor character monologue. You can excuse the industry and Nasu's admitting he doesn't like writing H-scenes all you want, but there's no excuse for it to be that bad.

Finally fucking Shirou. I disagree that he's a self insert at least for me. Maybe that's because I'm not a ginger Japanese highschooler, but I don't self insert as him. He's in the awkward zone of just having enough backstory to be a real character, but still bland and uninteresting because he had some shades of VN self insert protagonist and he can't carry the show on his own like the Jojos carry each of their parts or Guts carry Berserk. Shirou's utterly retarded, and decides to be retarded for no goddamn reason unlike say Shinji. It makes it very hard to root for him, desu reading him getting murdered horribly in Tiger Dojo is the best thing ever come out of FSN writing. Barring Tiger Dojo ending, in all the 3 routes Shirou keeps getting rewarded for acting retarded. In HF he does change, which makes HF the most tolerable route, but in Fate and UBW he got away through the entire thing being an utter retard.

>>146548692
>confirmed

By whom, your fat ass?

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>>146548960
>stats are everything in Fate, that's how Saber is able to avoid Gae Bolg to the heart except when it doesn't fit the narrative, then it's just a subjective opinion

>>146548960
grand order, which is overseen by nasu and canon.

sorry medusafag. your waifu a shit.

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>>146549244
>>146549250
>grand order

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>>146549325
https://oneofepisodes.wordpress.com/2016/04/18/fgo-tm-ace-042016/
read it faggot
>Nasu: From the start of the planning phase, I thought, “FGO has to be this grand story where every single character from all the Fate/ series until now would show up, or else it would be pointless.” To put it extremely, “even if I die, I have to pass this on to the next person… Actually, I should just pour all of my wealth and assets into this” – that was how I felt, so I had to put in everything up until the core setting of the Fate/ universe. So I brought out the very first setting that I made way before Fate/stay night, the one that was supposed to be Fate/Prototype, and used it as the core of FGO. Fortunately I had already slipped in hints in many different places as to what Heroic Spirits are, so the reveal at the end of Chapter 4 is something that should’ve come naturally.
>I hope to get the people who think that FGO is just a fanservice game for the Fate/ franchise to feel that this is a cool game, that this is an honest-to-goodness Fate/ title.

>>146549325
>Saber able to dodge Cu's Gae Bolg which was described as REVERSING causality, reality bender strike that is a sure hit due to A rank in luck
HURR DURR filthy secondaries, read up the supplementary material. Stats are canon as fuck, it's not bad writing and Nasu writing himself to the narrative corner.

>argument about powerlevels doesn't go my way, other anon are citing stats
Fuck off retards! Stats are subjective, said document is not canon!

Fatefags everybody.

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>>146549389
FGO is not canon and never will be.

And I'm not going to read some crap by Jewsu who's milking the same Fate shit for a decade and makes braindead slaves like you to pay attention to it.

>>146549687
who are you quoting retard

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>>146549690
Fag

Saber acts too moe in the Fate route.

>>146538090
underrated post

Was the Zero anime a mistake? Because it really feels like it.

Rider was worthless and Berserker wasn't as edgy