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So /a/, how's that "Original Manga" of yours

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So /a/, how's that "Original Manga" of yours coming along?
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If I were to write a manga it would be an OEL since I'm not a Japanese person in Japan.

and OELs are garbage so no thanks (I might make a comic though).
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eh... drop pic related due to some certain... circumstances
now I dont really know what to do except for trying to make moe sol with elves
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Trying to sort out the second major story arc as we speak.
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>>146514622
I like the art. What was the story?
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This thread made me look at my old sketch book when I was 13. Holy shit......why
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>>146514243
Just dandy, I've got 14 chapters done already, and finishing the 15th.
>>146514622
Hey that's actually bretty gud.
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>>146514622
make moe sol with dwarves
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>>146514622
Looks like an 80s hair band member.
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>>146514622
looks so 80's.
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>>146517562
well just wait bit I just came back, here some other design I guess
pic above is our (supposed) mc, soon be a great hero of the cursed land
pic related is when he is younger
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>>146519344
Your art is giving me a boner.
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>>146519344
his sisters, the only family members he has, all 3 of them became slaves of a great tribe after an epidemic sweep through the land and they burned all the sick
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Pretty shit, but hey, if I don't practice I'll never get good and I have no other way to practice than to simply make the thing, so I'll probably come back later to smooth the rough edges. Anyway, there's a thread on /co/ for shilling your own comic, this thread doesn't belong here.
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>>146519580
that is what I always wonder since /co/ dont seem to welcome comic that use manga style, both with plotline and art.
we should have our own thread since more people here care and want to give feed backs right? Since gook shit was somewhat tolerance
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>>146519760
Unless you're a japanese person making your comic in japan for japanese people, it's off topic for you to post it on /a/. I don't lurk /hywc/ often because drawing is a much better use of my time than slogging through all the tripfaggotry and drama that goes on in there, but "manga style" doesn't actually mean anything, and I can guarantee that no matter what you post it'll be on par with or better than every other poster there. Good luck anon, you're gonna make it.
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>>146519344
Is that dirty Tarzan?
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>>146517617
Post em up senpai
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>>146514243
Terribly bad, I'd say.
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>>146519344
Jesus christ, that's...fuck, amazing doesn't cut it. You're ridiculously good at this. Better than a lot of manga artists.

I don't want you to stop!
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>>146514243
Eh, first I should try to improve my drawings, and then we'll see.
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I've completely finished it in my head.
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>>146514243
If Felipe Smith did it, you can do it too, /a/
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I have a hitchhiker story that I posted in a thread two days ago, but it needs tons and tons of polishing.

>>146428965
>>146429543
>>146430193
>>146430821
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>>146514622
Better than Isayama. Start doing your manga, if Isayama managed to become famous everything is possible.
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>>146519344
guess you nigger are bored so I will just post some waifu I made
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>>146514243
I haven't even started the first page because I don't have a plan on what I want it to be about. It would be good practice so the first one wouldn't be serious, when I think about it, so you would see me quickly improve over time and the last page would look better than the first. I should probably go full retard and make it something only 4chan would like since it won't be successful anyway.
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>>146519344
Reminds me of young Takezo from Vagabond
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>>146524098
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>>146523668
What? Dude has not posted anything manga related yet. All he has shown us are drawings of people.
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>>146514243
You mean comic book?
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>>146514243
I made several 'original manga' back in middle/high school. Nowadays I just draw stuff that contains my fetish and post it on deviantart pixiv too because I know if I draw usual stuff I probably would get ignored because my art is mediocre at best.

When I want to make serious stuff I'll just write a story. I made three novels so far.
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>>146524205
I know that. I was just complimenting him; that art of his reminds me a bit of Miura, but it has even more detailed characters at times.
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I drew some character designs a while back on MS Paint
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>>146524205
heh, have a page then
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>>146523668
This >>146524205

Stand-alone illustrations are a different beast from actual comic pages. There's no real deadline and they don't need to be concurrent with anything coming before and after, unlike the real deal. The vast majority of mangaka are much better artists than their average page would imply (hell, just look at Oda. One piece looks pretty shit, but he's a very experience artist with a lot of skill).

>>146524281
Keep in mind that nobody has ever been born with the ability to draw. "talent" only takes you so far, and certaintly isn't enough to get you to a professional level. Anyone barring the blind or vegetative can do it. It helps if you just jump into it rather than trying to take /ic/'s advice and grinding it out like it's a chore.

>>146524355
Are you trying to emulate manga art? If you are I'll share a tip: mess with your pen pressure settings in the program you're using. Real pens don't go from 0 to 100 line thickness. It's something you don't notice early on but once you notice it it makes it really hard to look at the stuff you did before. Speaking from experience here.
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>>146524304
reminiscent of Miura*
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>>146524341

>4kids names
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>>146524081
>>146524098
>vợ hai
>vợ cả
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>>146524401
Still think it's reminiscent?

>>146524355
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>>146524417
Their not Japanese anon
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>>146524355
here is a decent page I hope
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>>146524429
>google translate
fucking hell Vietnam has a specific word for a second wife?
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>western "manga"
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>>146524429
hey this nigger
>>146524566
nah mate mate vợ = wife, hai = second
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>>146524566
Chinese has a specific word for the mother of your father/mother of your mother, etc. etc.
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>>146524566

No, it's just literally "wife 2".
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>>146524586
>implying there is no aesthetic difference between manga and comics
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>>146524523
Keep reading good manga and you will get better at paneling.
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>>146524400
>mess with your pen pressure settings in the program you're using

This. It doesn't look bad, but having different pen pressures will make it more realistic, gentle and even more beautiful.

It looks rather rough in its' current state, but you're obviously skilled.

The tree shading and the baba's face in >>146524523, for exxampe, could be a tad gentler-looking.

Again, though, that's really good art and I hope you keep it up.
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>>146524355
>>146524523

proceeds to post in one page threads, sending people on source hunts
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Working on a fantasy story project called "hero and demon king". This girl is the MC and hero by the way.
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>>146524682
The two two pages I cleaned so far.
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>>146524682
shit son more
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>>146524728
2/2
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>>146524631
yeah I got this alot, one of the reason why we cancel that project, to practice more one paneling
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>>146524714
kek well thank you, looking back it sure need more attention to detail

so all that aside I decided to make some moe loli comic, not serious shit, just for practicing
where should I share it on 4chan then guys?
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The art itself is fine, but the problem is that it looks very digital. Like the drawing is competent, but the linework is messy in a bad way and all that chicken scratched reductive shading and mspaint spray tool looks like total shit. Plus some lines are soft mid-tones and some (like the cloaked figure) is full-black. In short, it looks like your 80 year old grandpa is drawing it.
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>>146524745
The demon king.
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>>146524682
>>146524767
do they fug
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>>146524682
>>146524745
>>146524767
That looks good. A little bit "fan of manga art" moreso than "genuine manga art", if you know what I mean? The demon king character looks good, but the lead doesn't quite hit the mark, looks a little bit "westerner trying to draw like a jap", or something y'know? Especially in >>146524745
Otherwise keep up the good work.
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>>146524817
maybe

She's 150 cm tall by the way. Demon King is more than 260 cm tall. Story will also include a pretty big amount of demon characters (demon army).
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>>146524728
>>146524745
I'm not the other guy who complained about the panelling ITT, but yours has some problems as well, especially in the second page. There could be some panels of that guy's body being slowly smashed to bits, or the various body parts falling around.

The art looks nice, but with big panels like that it doesn't flow very nicely (unless you're doing this for comedic effect, which is probably the case).

Also, the Hero in the second panel looks a bit "pasted-on" in the panel; I'm not sure what's causing it.
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>>146524917
> Also, the Hero in the second panel looks a bit "pasted-on" in the panel; I'm not sure what's causing it.

That's because she's supposed to have the same pose/didn't move, aside from the torso/left arm.
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>>146524748
>>146514622
here, the ideal is that I add a bunch of loli from different manga, turn them into elves, with your daily dose of moe and see how it turn out
guess im the cancel killing this industry
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>>146524962
Oh you are you fucking piece of shit. But keep sharing I'm stealing character ideas for mine.
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>>146524962
>freckles

God bless you, anon.
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>>146524960
Looks good to me. What I think you really need to improve this is some boob physics on the second page. That attention to detail I feel is what really marks devotion to one's craft.
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>>146524962
Would it kill you to learn more variety in your characters? This same face shit is amateur.
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>>146525061
Anon I'm not him but he literally said the designs were literally just recent anime character + elf ears. One of those is really obviously one of the New Game girls. That's not even sameface anyway, it's the bodies that are interchangable.
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>>146525061
nah nigger, it was just the style, here pick one for me
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>>146525139
Bottom right. Closest to sex hair and I've always been a fan.
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>>146525139
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>>146524962
I can almost feel which characters inspired you.

The first one is hard to nail down; If I had to say a single character it would be Miriam from Baccano.

The second one is Nenecchi, the third one looks like Nono's friend from Gunbuster, and the last one's expression really reminds me of Chaika.
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>everyone posting
>people being noticed
>i still haven't made anything
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>>146524913
Maybe it's just me, but there's something slightly off about her breasts. Like, the line accentuating them doesn't quite seem natural on the underbust, it almost looks like her tits are a part of her clothes and not her body. If what I'm saying makes any sense. I don't know a damn thing about drawing, let alone proper anatomy.
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>>146524962

CHAIKA

ON THE FRONT PAGE
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I'm still drafting, mainly because my art skills aren't where I want them to be. I figure if I draft out how I want all the pages to look, I can do quick improvements when I think of them, and then make sure the final versions are polished. This is one of the pages I'm more proud of... I have a lot of work to do
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>>146525195
please rate her, and be gentle
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>>146525293
If you make that coffee cup sag by like 15 degrees she will be 8/10.
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>>146525293
6/10 I only deducted points because of lack of shading and goofy posture on the bottom right. Fix that shit and it's 8/10.
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>>146525293

Simultaneous Heart and Dick boner. She looks both cute and lewd at the same time, especially in the leftmost part of the image. Her eating also looks rather cute.

>>146525340
Agreed.
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Made 4 pages years ago, then lost motivation
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>>146525370
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Can a manga drawn by weeaboos be called manga? Won't it be a graphic novel?
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>>146525220
>everyone posting
I'm too embarrassed to. Have a crop of a recent page instead.
Been drawing and releasing the comic for about 15 months now. Never posted it or advertised it or anything and wouldn't even know where to start, so I'm pretty confident it's unsaucable.

>>146525417
That is correct.
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rate this one then
please dont say that he's a cuck boy
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>>146524913
A few very rough sketches of the other characters also.
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>>146524748
>>146524962
>>146525139
>>146525195
>>146525293
You're art style and character design does things things to my dick anon please stop it.

Please don't stop it.
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>>146525395
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>>146525363
Crap, some of my post got eaten.

There are two panels I have critique for:
The one in the upper middle, where she's smugly smiling - the mouth is too high, and the perspective looks a bit weird.

Second is the one with her laughing, at the bottom right. Her mouth needs a redraw, and so does the hair.

That girl is pure boner fuel otherwise.
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>>146525460
If he wasn't so tall he's be a beta faggot.

Looks like your average pretty boy. Still pretty great that you can come up with something that doesn't immediately remind me of something else.
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>>146525462
A bit more of hero also.
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>>146525520
>>146525544
Bigger eyes or shorter faces, they all look like horses.
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>>146525460
You can envision his personality through these drawings, bretty gud.
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>>146525565
The breasts NEED some sag!
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>>146525565
I think there's something off about her profile perspective.
Should her back curve that way?
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>>146525602
They just need to be less far apart. She could also look a bit less like a retarded feminist.

The design reeks of some fat chick's self insert.
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>>146525642
Wait, it's definitely the curvature and/or proportions, and the difference in thickness between her abdomen and upper body.
It looks like she could snap in half at the waist.

>>146525646
>She could also look a bit less like a retarded feminist.
What does that even mean?
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Nice /i/ thread.
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>>146525646
> less far apart

I did that for the character profile because I wanted to make the breasts unrestrained, but changed my mind in the meantime.

> She could also look a bit less like a retarded feminist.
>The design reeks of some fat chick's self insert.

Rude, I'm a guy. And I guess you'd say that for any action girl with thight clothes?
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>>146525696
he mean she gave the feel of korra the avatar with more /edge/
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>>146525696
She looks like the embodiment of that stupid "real women have curves" meme.
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>>146525724
Is thight an typo or did you intentionally combine tight and thighs. Either way I had a good chuckle.
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>>146525746
> "real women have curves" meme.

Now you're the one who sounds like a frustrated fat chick. Tumblr is the other way.
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>>146525565
I wonder how she'd look in normal clothes, do you have any drawings of her like that?

For example, the kind of loose-fitting clothes people wear when exploring the hot desert, or even in a good ol' wedding dress?
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>>146525724
The feminist shit aside, her proportions do seems a bit odd, like I said in >>146525696.
I mean it's no Liefeld nonsense, but still.

>>146525731
How? She barely resembles Korra.

>>146525746
She looks like an exaggerated Asanagi character, if anything. I think you might be reading into things that aren't there.
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>>146525771
typo, my bad

>>146525813
The proportions aren't anything crazy, just made her bend for the profile because I think it looks better.
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>>146525859
Well, if you insist. I still think it doesn't quite look natural, what with her upper body looking almost twice as deep as her waist. But then it only seems that way in the profile perspective, so maybe it's nothing.
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>>146525859
Her legs seem a little long for how stout she is.

And when you combine that with the thigh gap and the huge hips, everything just seems a little unsettling.

The art is pretty good but the design could use some refining.

Unless that's just what you happen to be into and you think she looks super hot.
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>>146525197
the first one is takagi-san the ultimate smug loli,
second one is a mash up from (misuzu from tomo-chan, a bit of hitoha from that triplet loli manga)
third one also a mash up (supposed to be shouko the moe deaf with freckles and shit, but I failed I guess
last one is obvious chaika
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>>146525923
> everything just seems a little unsettling.

I don't see how what you mentioned is unsettling, but oh well. Yes, I think those are idea looking proportions for a petite woman.
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>>146526004
Not really unsettling but more just off, I couldn't think of a good work and I guess the meaning came off wrong.
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>>146526004
I don't want to diminish criticism levied against you, but I really liked her.
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>>146526004
thing about drawing that I can tell you, just left it there for some time, like after 2 months, may be year. then you look back and you can always see some problems even how to fix them, I have this shit a lot
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>>146525944
>>146524962
Oh. I knew the first one was familliar from somewhere..

I don't even watch much anime nor read manga lately, sorry for not recognizing these.

But still, though, the third girl I see more as Kumiko (and her daughter) from Gunbuster than the deaf girl from KnK.
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>>146526136
nah it's ok, part of the fun is to guess who is who, I plan to add some cameo these and there
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>>146526004
I'm afraid I'm gonna chime in as well; her lower back looks ridiculous. I get it that you're trying to exagerrate her butt, but it looks Oda-esque.
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>>146514622
You're going to hate drawing Goku's hair 20 chapters in.
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>>146524962
Thanks killing the industry, faggit
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>>146514243
I'll have you know the manga I've been writing in my mind for years is really, really good. You'll see if it ever goes on paper.
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>>146526721
you too nigger you will eat it up anyway
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It was shit so I never actually started it.
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>>146525460
He looks like his waifu gonna end up dying somewhere in the mountain without him knowing, anon.
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Characters are nice and all, but have any of you drawn any spreads for these manga?

Any interesting architectures? Detailed art? Unique artstyles? Post 'em!
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I remember drawing shitty comics in my elementary days
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>>146514243
What's better. Self published or published by Yen Press?
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I don't normally draw manga because I am not a huge faggot.
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>>146514243
my problem is, i am too much of a perfectionist. So even if fans wouldn't mind some average art as long as the story is good, i can't bring myself to do it, thus i spend several days on a single page, resulting in a single chapter taking a year or so, meaning it takes way too long and i lose interest early on.
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>>146528526
i feel like i could release a chapter every few weeks.
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>>146528921
I can only do that if i get payed for it, since i can work well with a deadline/expectations. But if i have freedom to choose, it never works.
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>>146529150
With all the time I waste on video games i'm sure as hell I could do it while holding a part time job.
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>>146514243
A couple years ago there was a thread where a bunch of anons cobbled together an idea about a New Orleans loli punching ghosts.

I haven't forgotten it yet. Or rather, I can't forget about it.
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white people aren't allowed to make manga.
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>>146529450
what about black people?
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Left to right or right to left?
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>>146523867
Tragic
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>>146529503
you have to be blasian with the sian half being Jap.
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>>146529503
wasn't there a manga about a black weeb in japan... made by a black weeb in japan? Or was that something I hallucinated during a fever dream?
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>>146514243
We'll tell you in ten years when the current arc hits the climax
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>>146529620
I heard something like that. I forgot the detail though.
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terrible thread
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What's all this jazz about? I'm interested.
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>>146525061
shut up anon
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>>146529806
anons being naive and retarded
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>>146529850
where's your manga desu senpai? oh yeah that is right you have none c:
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I have a story I've always wanted to draw. Instead of writing a story where the main character goes through character development, gains strength and becomes more capable, the mc in my story starts out strong and confident and becomes emotionally weaker over time through a series of unfortunate events. Eventually he becomes suicidal but can't seem to off himself. So he's slowly engulfed in madness. Various stuff happens and the story ends with a literal bang.

But I can't draw so whatever.
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>>146524098
Make her Native American skin tone.
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>>146524586
You've never read Elf Quest? Or Connan?
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Can't you guys stop posting all this shit? It's making me sad that someone is actually good at drawing and have the determination to draw a comic. I usually gave up on the third page. Fuck this.
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>>146530732
>pleb can't even make it to page three.
>why even live.
keep the sadness going. i'll make one just to fuck with you for keks. i'll do a "quickie" and post it in a month or less with at least twenty pages, just for the sweet taste of one uping you. you're all pathetic excuses for anons and i'll show you that this is too easy.
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I have a genuine broad spectrum question.

Anons are you trying to make a manga or a black and white comic?

Artstyle isn't really a good indication of which of these two you're going for and I'm interested in your answers.
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>>146529667
>>146529620
Sounds like Peepo Choo by Felipe Smith.

As for my comic, I am doing something like super robot wars except with magical girls. I think.

/hywc/ wasn't too interested so I thought maybe there will be more people who are interested in the subject here.
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>>146525139
major case of side mouth, center that shit man.
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You guys' art made me question what the hell am I doing with my life, you know. Some stuff here is really impressive.

Here's something I was drawing earlier this year, pretty much dropped it already due to no motivation. I think you can guess what it was supposed to be.
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>>146532620
Post your own stuff. I wont take critiques from anyone that isn't as good or better than me.
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>>146532713
Just keep drawing man eventually you art will improve. I mean look at gunnerkrig court volume 1 vs current volume.

Then again think of all those artists who got worse
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>>146532945
That's a really dumb attitude to take, don't be so close minded, I mean, it's not really a critique either, just pointing out an actual fact in your drawing, if you want that be partof your style fine it's up to you, many mangaka do it as well, I just pointed it out because I don't see the point for it, when you could just move the mouths a little bit to the left or a little bit to the right and it'd be perfect.
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'bout to bring delinquent manga back in action straight from the 80's.
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>>146527488
I am not sure what "spreads" means in this context. Although those other elements are of great interest to me. I can't say I have a unique style, unfortunately.
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So how would a western artist start publishing his manga anyway? You can do a web comic at most
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>>146533633
Start by participating in international manga contests held by Japanese publishers.
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>>146533709
Do these even exist? I find it hard to believe any foreign stuff would get published as actual serialization rather than some kind of an indie one-shot in Japan.
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>>146533461

You drew that? All traditionally? Really nice lines and shading.
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>>146533268
>That's a really dumb attitude to take

It's really not. I want to get better and don't have time to waste listening to people that aren't up to my standard. If you are, then please post your own stuff.

>just pointing out an actual fact in your drawing

No, thats an opinion and you're not taking into account that it's stylised.

>you could just move the mouths a little bit to the left or a little bit to the right and it'd be perfect.
What i just said goes for this as well.
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>>146533760
I'm pretty sure there was one for the shounen jump not too long ago.

Then agin, I'm pretty sure it had very limited slots, and for such an insanely well known magazine the competition must be hell.
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>>146525565
Mm, thick.
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>>146533760
There's a 'silent' manga competition done every year, google that name and you'll find it.
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>>146533461
A "spread" in a manga is...well, basically a wide shot spanning two pages.
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>>146533800
>No, thats an opinion and you're not taking into account that it's stylised.
But I did take into account that it might just be your style, literally it's right there on my comment, it's like you didn't even bother reading what I wrote man, your mouths are in FACT off center, I just pointed that out, this is not a matter of being good, bad or wanting to improve, it's simply your choice to take and up to your style.
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>>146533461
What did you draw this on? On paper,and then scanned?, or all digitally?

The detail you've put in the background is pretty nice.
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>>146533633
I don't know why anyone would bother. Whats so important about having the label of 'manga' slapped on your work? I can only think of two yank comic book artists that actually got work over in Japan and i don't think either of them did very well.
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>>146514243
I fucking hate ONE for taking my excuse of "I can't draw for shit" for not drawing a successful manga. At least I still have "I'm not japanese".
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>>146533461
Work on your world building. Cause I can't tell what the setting is. Is it a rural area with to much pollution? Or a dystopian place that got ransacked by huge monsters?!
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>>146533780
I ink and shade traditionally. The black and white stuff are done with copics, but when I color I do digital. I will ink digitally if I am desperate though. Most of my lettering are done digitally. I haven't bought a font so those are done by hand.

>>146533760
>>146533709
I sent in something a few years ago for the Shounen Jump 20th anniversary thing, that accepted submission from North America, Europe and Taiwan.

It was kind of a mess of storyboard and half realized ideas of a cringe worthy story about some anon's MMORPG waifu cross over to real life to protect him from alien world assassins. Didn't amount to anything but actually finishing 50 pages worth of storyboard/partially inked pages still feels like I finished something. It was a good experience.

To finish a story sometimes is about being shameless, I found out.

>>146533888
Well, I figure, but sometimes I don't always know for sure what people means. Although because of the material I working on, I don't really make double spreads. Although I thought sequence from one page to another counts.

>>146533972
I did these on letter size cardstock papers, shadings are done using copics, but color pages and lettering are done digitally. Thanks, background is a lot of work everytime.
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>>146534097
His art in OPM is mostly lazy, but Mob Psycho's art has been getting better and better.

he's getting better, you know
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>>146534151
Its post-apocalyptic settings and those are bombed out buildings. I played too much Fallout 4... There are nicer areas as well though, these detail hasn't yet been explained but I wanted people to draw their own conclusions for now.
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>>146525565
I know that style, you're that french guy who draws nice opm fanart
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>>146533957
I can't take anything you're posting seriously now. It just reeks of that self important, 'my way or the highway' attitude thats so prevalent on this board.

Seriously, if you can do better, i'd like to see it.
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>>146534377
That first panel is pretty slick but you might want to work on your anatomy.
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>>146534398
Jesus man why are you being so dense about it? I pointed out some tiny detail min your drawings and it's like your mind can't comprehend or accept it, it wasn't even a critique but I can tell you're really dense when it comes to it. You're better than me but like I said, again and again, it doesn't matter because my comment wasn't about being good or bad, it's about your fucking mouth being 10 pixels to the left nigga that's it, don't sweat it.
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>>146534439
>work on your anatomy.
Always, that goes without saying, but at some point I just gotta move on from a page. I just couldn't get it right after redrawing it many times over the course of 2 weeks. I moved on because I gotta push the narrative forward.
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>>146514243
You can't make a manga unless you are Japanese (or at least live in Japan and get your work published through a Japanese manga publisher). Otherwise you have made an OEL or a comic.

Also I for one thing can't draw and for a second thing don't want to.
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>>146527488
Right now, I'm learning how to draw (mostly prioritizing buildings and learning various architecture styles).

I'm gonna create a series of pantings of a scientific city in the far future which will have the bizarre city grid I've pictured.

sadly I don't have any pics taken of my drawings to show
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>>146514243
If I made one it would be paneled in western reading style and would therefore be considered a comic regardless of any story elements.

Why? Because I'm not a fucking weeaboo or a Japanese person therefore it makes more sense to panel my shit like a fucking english reader.
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>>146534391
I'm surprised you can make the connection, though I guess you saw one of the drawings I posted here on one of my blogs?
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>>146534745
that looks like a fuckin nightmare to drive in
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>>146534867
The coloring and design style hits close to a nice fubuki fanart I remember.
Also I was wondering how do you plan getting into the industry from where you live?
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>>146534528
>You're better than me
Good, I can stop replying to these inane posts now.

Just work on your own stuff anon. Theres no need to get salty.
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>>146535188
France has a pretty decent comic industry.
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Just participate on this competition. No need for dialogue so no language barrier or anything. They even have japanese editors to help for those who win awards.
Probably offer serialization if you make ubermagma.

http://www.manga-audition.com/
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>>146535188
I don't really have any interest in doing anything in Japan at the moment, simply because I never learnt the language (yet?).

And for now this is just a personal comic/manga project, I'll think about what I could do with it If I manage to finish, which isn't a given.

I do wants to make a living with drawing, but I don't have a precise idea yet, I'm still training/studying.
Also began 3D, hopefully I'll manage to create some decent stuffs soon enough

Funnily enough, this story project began as a test because I needed experience for later, but it became much bigger than expected. Still nowhere as big as that other story (pic related) that pretty much made me begin drawing, which I keep in stock hopefully that much later I'll be able to do it (directly professionally?), as it's really fucking long.
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>>146535139
That's why I said "in the far future". There won't be any driving.


The bigger blank spaces (mostly located near the bottom of the image) are parks and homes for the common people. They're like future versions of the commieblocks, and the design is boring compared to the centre.

Travel would be done using civillian floating "ships", or if you don't want to use those, there are a variety of teleporting crossings (you stand, press a button and you find yourself instantly on the other side on the road).
Teleportation is a recent discovery, and it's only safe when used across 20 meters; any more and there's a 9999/10000 chance you'll lose vital organs.

And the rest (located in the rest of the image) are labs. There are a couple of districts, each with its' own designation, and each with its' own, unique aesthetic.

At the point where most of the lines converge is gonna be a space elevator/tower like the Endymion.


I know how dumb and chuuni everything sounds, but I'll be able to create an aesthetic that would be ENTIRELY mine. I'm so looking forward to bringing this to life.
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>>146535684
I see.
Well, good luck anon it will be hard but you're on the right path, I hope that you will succeed.
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>>146535499
This looks nice, but the deadline is kind of short. Any other similar contests still running aside from that government one that requires a printed work to be sent?
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>>146536357
> deadline is kind of short

More like it ended 6 days ago.
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>>146514622
Looks cool, but seems like it would take an incredible amount of work to draw a manga of that on your own
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>really strong urge to draw comics again
>kicking around ideas, nothing solid
>art skills need work
>best aspect is color theory which is irrelevant to comics

It hurts. But the way to improve is practice which you get from actually drawing, so I just need to charge ahead I guess.

Do you guys post your comics/manga anywhere?
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>>146536876
>best aspect is color theory which is irrelevant to comics

That couldn't be any more wrong. If that's really your best aspect then focus on it, it's totally possible to make good pages with little pen details but lots of color work.

If anything colored works tends to appeal to more people. Combine it with a neat looking simple art (appealing faces) and you're good art-wise.
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>>146536069
Thanks, I appreciate.
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>>146525293
literally a fucking satsuki clone i see through your bullshit you faggot
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>>146537415
>da only aniem ive eva seen is killa lkiil eevrything rips off it!1!1!!
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>>146537415
She reminds me more of Korra than Satsuki (well, except in the left drawing, where you can see some resemblance)
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I've had ideas for novels/visual novels for years. I'll write out a general outline, and start writing the opening scenes... then I stall out. Everything feels superfluous and suffocating. My jokes feel stupid. My plot twists cliche and stale. I end up taking forever to write a scene to my liking. Then I get frustrated at my lack of progress because I suck at gauging the time it should take me to complete something. It's like I spend six hours on this shit and have only a few pages to show for it because I keep fucking scraping everything I write initially.

I don't know what the fuck is wrong with me. I feel like every good writer should have an inner critic/perfectionist, but I can't seem to get over mine. And it's worse yet because my English professors all raved about how good of a writer I was in highschool/college. One of my professors actually pulled me aside and badgered me to become a tutor and sign up for creative writing classes. This man told me to my face that he only sees students like me once or twice a decade. He told me that I had a gift, but that I was so good at what I did that I tend to get lazy and coast throughout school and never actually applied myself. He told that he believed in me. And I listened to him. But I don't feel like I write that well. I think I just know how to avoid bad writing because I read a bunch of bad fanfiction as a kid. But everyone seems to eat it up. And now, for once in my life, I've been legitimately trying at something, and it's like I've lost my mojo. And I feel like I'm letting everyone down.

So to end off before I rant and blog incessantly, progress on my original work is going shit, OP. To the point that I'd rather write out my insecurities on a fucking anime image board and be called a faggot than face my word processor.
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>>146537737
Could you post one of your drafts and point out what felt stupid and stale in hindsight?

I want to see a glimpse of the writing that made you shine like a lighthouse in front of your teachers and professors.

Not OP, by the way
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>>146537737

I was the same. English prof told me she would read anything I ever wrote. Even though I self published I still haven't sent her a message...forget her name but remember the personality.

The fact is you can be better than 99% of people at something, but still suck at it. That's because there's just so many people now, that even the top 1% still amounts to tens of thousands of people globally. We also have our attentions divided between more things now, modern life is just difficult mentally if not physically.

Just push out a first draft, then edit. Works for books, works for manga. Outline it, do screenwriting style or thumbnails, then when it is done you go back and edit.

>>146538167

It isn't difficult to impress high school teachers. Most students literally write in chatspeak or ebonics, so the bar is low.
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>>146537737
>And it's worse yet because my English professors all raved about how good of a writer I was in highschool/college. One of my professors actually pulled me aside and badgered me to become a tutor and sign up for creative writing classes. This man told me to my face that he only sees students like me once or twice a decade. He told me that I had a gift, but that I was so good at what I did that I tend to get lazy and coast throughout school and never actually applied myself.

Hey, me too!
It's almost like that's a horoscope you can apply to anybody who isn't a literal illiterate!
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>>146524586
>japanese "comic"
it's all the same shit, anon
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Well I did one but decided to wing it as I was just wanting to sketch a bit. It needs a better intro though, and it doesn't have much of an audience. My intention now is to move to something animated to gather a bit more attention, since I've had more attention with parodies to original series so far. It is quite fun to do your own thing time to time though.
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I gave up on an original story and decided to draw Keit-Ai for kicks.
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>>146524745
One Punch Woman?
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>>146539153
Oh, you're that guy who did all those Naruto parodies, keep up the good work, I enjoy your humor, and that face for the guys is hilarious.

Art wise you've still got lots of room to improve though. Your line weight especially isn't really good, you should finish more properly your lines, it really doesn't work for the mountain of the top right panel, and I find them too thick for the characters. That hatching for the girl hair on the top right doesn't really works either.
Also, for your bubbles you should consider making the lines of those smaller, same for the text, there should be more space inside.

Lastly, no grey shade for again the top right panel seems really lacking compared to the rest, could put a more white one for the background and the girl's hair. different level of grey on a character really gives him more contrast.
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>>146525520
>bam
lell @ his face
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>>146541070
Kinda, though she has also lots of magic spells.
in the story heroes are supposed to fight with the legendary swords given to them by the gods, but threw it away.
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>>146538167

I'm at work right now. But if the thread is still up when I'm off, I'll post some of what I've got.
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>>146524355
>are you smoking?
>it's laced with drugs

well done art though anon
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>>146514243
But I can't draw.
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>>146534398

>I can't take anything you're posting seriously now

People in Glass houses Anon.>>146532945
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I can't draw, but I've written quite a bit. I'm scared to share it with anyone because I fear plagiarism, and I haven't met any artists who could do designs without wanting to hold ownership of them.
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>>146541353
All fair (and helpful points), thanks I will take it on board. As far as the comedic stuff goes I did do an animation recently:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ7QQYYRix4
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>>146544671
Fuck, that was good.
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>>146527488
No. This is why I don't want to try getting readers yet, because really my comic doesn't have much to offer yet. I've been making it for well over a year but I haven't really reached the points in the story that made me to decide it was worth devoting my time to it, so I don't feel like it's anything yet.

>>146529516
Westerners doing it right to left is inexcusable. There is absolutely nothing it adds to a comic and is purely done to ape muh japanese maynga. Never ever do this unless it's just a silly one off thing and not a serious attempt.

>>146530499
Oh shit I'm doing something very similar. MC starts as a useless, weak, passive piece of shit, as usual. Then he very quickly nearly dies, gets over the passivity thing, gets stronger etc, but he (along with with companions) grow increasingly unstable, eventually becoming downright insane. They end up walking into a suicide mission against the (nigh invincible) villain and of course are BTFO.
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>>146545068
>That guy with the hat and beard.
If he doesn't become a main character I'll riot.
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>>146535248
I want to believe you're someone falseflagging as the artist. No one should be this much of a princessy bitch.
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>>146514622
dude where your paypal at, let me send you some incentive.

/a/ should make manga like this, funded with crowdfunding and micro donations from this site
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This reminded me of how I kinda wanted to make a manga/comic. I stopped drawing years and years ago because no matter how much I practiced I could never get something creative, or that I could even call decent, and my story is pretty mediocre even though I've put a lot of thought into it.

I even picked art back up last year for a bit and put it off again after just a few months. I tried to transition to tablet, and I can't even make lines.
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>>146547279
Nobody has ever made anything by giving up.
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>Some guy makes a sarcastic OP
>A dozen talented artists suddenly start posting their work
Since when was this a thing on /a/?

>>146525544
Reminds me of Blame!
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I'll ask again.

What sites do you guys post your weebcomics on? That aren't 4chan
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>>146548664
>Since when was this a thing on /a/?
It's not, and I sincerely hope it doesn't become one. This thread is relevant to my interests but it does not belong on /a/.

>>146548975
I haven't a clue either. My first guess would be to link it on a forum where anonymity isn't the whole point (probably reddit or something), but I've spent too long on 4chan to be able to stomach places like that for long.
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>>146549273

Idk what is current offered. Way back in the day I used smackjeeves, but it was ass and is probably dead now. I hate deviantart's clunky interface. Pixiv and dumblr aren't set up for manga that need to be read in a certain order...
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>>146549505
Oh, you mean hosting? Yeah I just use tumblr. It's not ideal, but the archive button is there and I imagine it could be helpful to have more recent (hopefully) much better looking pages be the first thing a new reader sees. Of course, that could potentially spoil stuff but I suppose that's the price you pay with free hosts. Probably works better when you release in chapters like I do than what's more typical for webcomics.

Obviously the best way would be to just make your own basic site, but yeah that requires a lot more time and effort than we really have. Maybe hiring somebody to set up a site could become an option when/if funds aren't a limiting factor?
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>>146514622
Dude just saying that art work is amazing, if you could keep up a fraction of that up while writing your comic i would read it just for the art.
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>>146514622
>Griffith and Guts have a son.
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>>146535684
you doing objects and props in blender too? I see a lot of japanese manga artists doing that (I'm guessing because it's free and that there's less documentation in japanese for other 3d programs)
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>>146524745
THICC
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>>146514243
>tfw still on a VN project that was just created because a friend of mine got his friend taken away by church and making him pay by turning church friend into a girl

Shit would be amazing IF IT WOULD ACTUALLY GOT PROPERLY ADVERTISED GODDAMNIT
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>>146539339
finds a way
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>>146525293
8/10
Could be 10/10 with neck accessory or turtle neck/ high collar.
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>>146550245
I'm still at a learning stage, didn't do something like that yet, but I'm considering it for references (armors and swords for example), would still mean I would redraw it. Don't think 3D works really well for fantasy, while it's adapted for futuristic objects like a Gantz.
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>>146547279
Drawing on tablet and on paper is super different. You just have to get used to it.
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Daily reminder that if you want to make a manga you have to move to Japan and it has to be produced there. Otherwise it's a comic.
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>>146550652
It's actually real. There are 5 chapters out.
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>>146525462
Reminds me I should begin working on proper clean drawings for the demon characters and their designs before doing more clean pages.
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>>146551255
this

But the parallel to manga in the west are cartoons like charlie brown.
For some reason people just don't want to admit it.
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>>146552315

Ya mean graphic novels, ya shit? Just because you read manga doesn't mean you can't read anything else and get a grasp of what possibilities this world contains.

Although I only read batman shit. Funny thing about westernshit is they change artists every installment...sometimes the art is fantastic and sometimes you want to slap whoever hired the guy.
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Can /co/ please fuck off
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>>146533461
Looks nice, I just had to comment on the girl's running poses since they look a bit unnatural. When she says "doesn't look like..." she looks like she's got her whole torso facing to the right and that's pretty impossible when you're running, your body twists a bit but not that much.

And then when she says "serves you right", her left leg is too twisted inwards, and her left arm is too pointed out to the side. I would also bend her right leg a bit in the next frame, straight leg doesn't look like you're running very fast.

And in the bottom panel, the view of her body below the neck should be angled like the reader is looking down, not up, so you shouldn't see the underside of her boobs that much. Running makes you lean forward, her head and shoulders are being looked down on, but her torso is being looked up at.
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>>146537737

You need to stop chasing perfection. You're never going to get there. It's better to push out something at 80% in a year or two than waiting decades chasing after that mythical 100%.

I'm a teacher myself. I understand where your professor is coming from. And I think I understand you as well. You get kids who are gifted intellectually, but are unfocused and "coast". You probably never needed to make rough drafts of any of your school essays. You probably did what I did in school: write the "final draft" first, then purposefully messed up a copy and claimed it was your rough draft. You were probably clever with your self-sabotaging too, changing words like "our" to "are", showing the teacher that you were really paying attention and weren't just relying on auto correct! And when you wrote your prompts, you didn't write about something you actually cared about. You wrote what you knew the teacher wanted you to write about.

And that's exactly why you are having so much trouble now. You're were to gaming the system. You were to writing for the teacher's sake, not your own. That was your focus. You had a goal to strive for, and you did enough to accomplish it. Only now, there is no one to trick. You're not battling for a grade. You are, quite possibly for the first time in your life, trying to write for your own sake. Of course you would struggle with this; your opponent is yourself this time. Your goals are defined by you now. Nobody is making rules for you. Nobody is giving you a focus.

cont.
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>>146552389
No I mean cartoon strips. manga is a way more evolved version of cartoons. mainstream comics are kind of their own thing at this point. they aren't made with a creators intention, they're made to push agendas and make companies money outright. while cartoons strips and manga still follow the same formula and same interest in styles as each other it's just the west has really lackluster interest in cartoons compared to japan. some special graphic novels might try to make the best of both worlds but at the end of the day newspaper cartoon strips are actually the closest thing to manga we have.
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>>146519344
kinda reminds me of vinland saga
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>>146552565

That is why editing is a thing, by the way. Not for three page essays. The school system tells you that you need to have a draft to catch mistakes. You saw it as a waste of time and acted accordingly. The educational system is to blame here. They make you go through to motions without actually teaching you the fundamental lesson. Simply put, you are always growing mentally in some capacity. So when you write a book or a thesis or anything substantial over the course of a few years, you're going to look back and see so many flaws, in what you so agonizingly made "perfect" at the time. As counterintuitive as it seems, editing is a way to speed up the process of writing in the long term. To go back in time and bring the you from three years ago up to the level of you at the present.

So here is my advice to you: Set goals against yourself. Give yourself focus. Set a daily word limit, and stick with it no matter what, no bullshitting. Even if you're writing garbage that day, hit that word count. I know it's hard, but you must learn to move on writing in a paragraph, scene, chapter. Every time you get stuck, force yourself to keep going, knowing that you will come back to it eventually. Each day is a battle against yourself, against your habits and tendencies to give up. And all you have to do to win is not quit. Don't look at it as only getting "x" amount through a scene. It's always going to take longer than expected, your imagination glosses over all the in between details. You're not going to "catch up" over night either. But if you start now and keep at it, you WILL get there. You just need to not lose to yourself.
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>>146533461
Got a blog to see more of it?
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I'm a real mangaka, mom!
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>>146552576

You're completely full of shit. newspaper strip comics have zero readers under the age of 50. They don't have fandoms, they don't have a huge cultural appeal, they don't have longrunning stories, they have no appeal. Graphic novels, and get the hell over yourself with your muh agenda shit and read non dc/marvel for once in your fucking life, graphic novels pretty much are manga. Long running stories, fight scenes, serious content, not just some fucking gag real printed in a dying media like a newspaper. You're just saying nonsense because you're so full of yourself. Shut the hell up.

Newspaper strips disgust me to the core. I want to kill everyone left who reads those things, but hey, they'll probably kick off in a year or two anyway since only fucking grandma reads 'em. They're bullshit. Newspaper comics are our equivalent of 4KOMA you dumb shit. Hell, they even look similar if that weren't enough of a fucking clue, and they got the same mission--a quick joke.

>>146552605
>>146552565

You I like.
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>>146544671
Holy shit
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>>146552784
give me more
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>>146552793
>they don't have longrunning stories
Some did (Prince Valiant, Tarzan, etc), but I don't know of any that do that today. Maybe Doonesbury?
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I really want to be able to do something like this, but I can't seem to get to where I'm having fun learning how to draw.
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>>146552793
this is exactly what i mean though. you're in full denial. but it IS the case. I don't like newspaper strips either but if you're going to tell me that manga is fundamentally different from those then you're wrong. they're literally made to be produced the same way just manga is 1000x more advanced and interesting.
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>>146553412
Drawing will probably never be fun to you. It's not fun to me either, and it's a pretty big problem. However after some length of time I imagine stockholme syndrome will kick in and you eventually won't be able to get enough of drawing. I'm still waiting for that after 1 1/2 years though.
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>>146552784
talking about strips.
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>>146553848
I dunno, I guess the issue is that I'm a perfectionist, and I hate the idea of drawing something that looks like shit. I also find it really frustrating not being able to make my hands do the right motions, even though it's perfectly normal for someone who's never drawn before.
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>>146554271
Pipimi?
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>>146554343
totally not related.
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>>146554297
Then the only advice I can give is to stop being such a fucking fag, holy shit.
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For someone completely retarded at drawing, is there any simple way to illustrate characters just to have something, not necessarily a finished product, but something you can use to sketch out a scene? Other than stick figures.
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>>146554374
so yes?
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>>146544671
>Even in dead I must go

Fucking Uchiha I swear.
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>>146554866
What is there even to doubt about.
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>>146554917
I don't see Popuko
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well shit this thread is still going
>>146546561
I dont even know how to paypal, patreon?set up a website where people can donate?
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>>146555043
I just felt like using her character for this comic.
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>>146552478
Thanks for the comment, I don't completely agree, I feel some of my poses are viable or just exaggerated, but I'll take it into consideration for my future drawings. I don't really have it in me to go back to those old pages at the moment though.

>>146552645
ac120 on tumblr and "rococo" on smackjeeves.
I am probably inviting grief for posting but man, I am in a desolate place so even some hate is good for a bit of warmth.
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>>146514243
>published outside Japan
>manga
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>>146554429
It feels good having a headstart in my 20's after beginning all my hobbies in my mid teens
But it's never too late dumb frogposter
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Wow. What a thread.

I have mountains of old, unfinished "original manga" wasting away on my computer. Have never been able to get past a handful of chapters (though I did manage to get a 4-koma going into chapter 40-something, once).

I guess since this stuff isn't ever going to be seen anywhere else, I might as well post some here.
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>>146554572
Depends almost entirely on the artist. Plenty of people use minimal lines to simpy convey where things will be and some are more detailed. I'd say pic related is probably a little more detailed than what's necessary; it should basically just be what you can whip up in at most 30 minutes.
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It's about a goat.
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>>146549505
An alternative would be just making a throw away account at imgur and make albums. At least the site doesn't shit over the picture's quality like tumblr does.
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>>146555798

I mean something even simpler/dumber than that. 1 or 2 levels above stick figures with a manga-like style.
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>>146555753
Pretty comfy anon.
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>>146556076
draw outlines with nothing filled in?
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>>146556116

it's shit/dead project
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>>146556076
Well, like I said, it depends on the artist. Just give yourself a tight time limit and don't worry about corrections.
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>>146555753
Another one.
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>>146555798
that looks good anon
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>>146552565
>It's better to push out something at 80% in a year or two than waiting decades chasing after that mythical 100%.
Fucking this. Put effort into it but don't overwork yourself, or you'll burn out Kentarou Miura did.
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>>146514428
>If I were to write a manga it would be an OEL since I'm not a Japanese person in Japan.
Kodansha would disagree with that.
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ONE makes anons so enraged that they're inspired by their anger to create better Art and stories and grow from the new techniques and criticism they hear and learn along the way to create an almost clean and polished end product or at least improve in some of their artistic skills or storytelling ability.

Reverse Psychology?
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>>146517617
>look back in 5th grade sketchbook
>had like 50 "volumes" of a weird comic I used to draw that I forgot about
>starred a bunch of shitty generic characters including a guy who had a gun that could shoot anything out of it
>the villain was a dragon in sunglasses who was also a CEO and tried to steal the gun with his henchmen and about like a thousand giant death machines, plans, and contraptions
>like 50 issues of this

Why did I waste my life..
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>>146563341
>the villain was a dragon in sunglasses who was also a CEO
What are you talking about, that sounds fucking awesome.
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>>146563377
Cool dragon was pretty much the only awesome part. The rest of it, especially the issues he wasn't in, were awful though. Mostly just boring. He didn't give a shit and broke the fourth wall and was entertaining but I'll be fucked if the hero characters didn't bore me to tears on re-reads

To this day I still like that particular character and still use him as a placeholder in things.
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>>146563341

This is Axe Cop grade. Go get some studio to release it.
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>>146563544
I might turn it into a webcomic or video series after some rewrites to make it less boring
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>early 2000
>fascinated with both manga and flash animations
>wanted to try out either, but knew I didn't have the fire to tackle either of them
>mid 2000, where visual novels started being like the cool thing
>made a story on that media
>got comments once in a while over the years
>knew this work wouldn't ever be adapted to tv by my country just like most cool things in japan did

Damn, this feelsbad hurts.
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>>146539339
Already a thing.

https://www.fictionpress.com/s/3206139/1/Keit-AI-Tomoyuki-x-Seiko-Keit%E6%84%9B-%E5%A5%89%E6%96%87-x-%E8%81%96%E5%AD%90
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>>146564143
300
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>>146563341
>including a guy who had a gun that could shoot anything out of it
Holy shit that's genius, I'm stealing the fuck outta that.
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>>146548664
>talented artists
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>>146554429
>>24
>still living and frogposting
Why don't you kill yourself already?
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>>146564578
People always exaggerate when it comes to non-professional artists. It pisses me off, though I understand why.
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>>146514243

They call me the next Kubo
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Have to be nip tho
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>>146525565
I don't think the smooth and tight clothes match with the raggy cloth on her arms and hands. I would choose an all smooth or all rough look.
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>>146563737
But making a visual novel is a big achievement. You shouldn't feel at all bad that it won't ever get a TV adaptation; VN is a medium that stands up on its own. I hope I can make my own one day.
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>>146514622
Looks good
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So I am planing to make my own manga. I wrote an amazing story and planed out each chapter, down to the storyboards. I wonder, should I get somebody else to draw it for me, or should I put it in hold till my drawing ability gets better ?(im pretty good right now, but I don't think my current drawing style would do my great justice)
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>>146569640
I would rather rely on myself than someone else for anything.
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>>146569640
Would tell you to keep it in stock until you gets better, but if you really already made the storyboards that you consider amazing then you've got your chances to find an artist willing to work on it, but that won't be easy to find.
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The thread is too long and I stopped reading halfway down. I've worked on a few game projects, been in a few development groups, and worked with artists over the years, here is what I can add.

First, alot of people join these things hoping to make their baby, the story/game they've been working on forever. It is the only thing they want to work on and will constantly try to steer development to making their game or their ideas.

Second, people drastically underestimate the work involved on a project particularly if they have to work with other people. Everyone has different creative visions and skill levels and project management is a skill all on its own that is typically missing but probably has more impact on the development than any creative skill.

Third, artists are divas. They have trouble working to a schedule, to anyone else's creative vision, you need to manage their motivation, and these days want to be overcompensated for anything they create (I don't expect artists to just work for "exposure" but its ridiculous that amateurs are expecting professional rates right out the gate.

What I've found is that you need to detach yourself from your work and just make something (Anything!) and see it through to completion. Forget all the nonsense about being connected to your work or readers sensing your passion. No one first drawing is a masterpiece and no one's first game/comic is going to be a masterpiece. Start producing and learning from the process.

As to a group project, you need clear roles and someone clearly in charge of artistic direction even if it is only to tell the artists they have creative control. Often it's consciously surrendering control to the artists will eliminate alot of tension and conflict from the project by removing yourself as an obstacle.
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>>146519344
was it rape?
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"Soul code" Fantasy meet Sci-fi. Here is an example, Dragonslayer mecha with trained dragon pet.

In the future, the humankind cause an apocalypse on themselves by launching all nuclear warheads at each other but before the missiles could land. Angels and Demons come and stop the missiles. But they are not here to rescure humanity, oh no, with the human decide to kill themselves, gods no longer will watch over them which let the demons and angels to conquer the earth. Which let to earth become a hub world.
The demons want resources because their planet is litterally a wasteland, the angel want the human's faith to turn them into religious slaves, while the human want independant.
After a few hundred years or so, with the power and resources of all 3 factions, earth is populated with elves, dwares, angels, demons, orcs, devils. There is a balance between magic and science, kinda like 40k.
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>>146514622
looks like combo of guts griffith and that deaf dude from vagabond
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>>146574796
There is no clear black and white moral between 3 factions. The light side or the "Gloriean Union" provide magic, studies of the galaxy, information about the gods and advanced technology such as Hard light, floating city, sentient A.I, Teleportation via Satellite, spaceship,..etc
Yet they are extremely racist toward other race that are not in their Union, consider them above all while at the same time only permit their own religion toward their devine pantheon, also the angel are a bunch of eldritch abomination who use light to hide their true form.
The dark side, a.k.a " Darkscythe empire " Does not care if you have a religion or not, have the best military weaponry out of all 3, necromancy, blood magic, witchcraft are permitted if not praise, just want a peaceful era after years of wars, have FTL travel with their "Gate" they live in underground or inside caves.
But have a lot of cults, some demons want to eat human, vampire's plague, devil's fire tendency often lead to volcano eruption or meteor showers, they are hideous looking with horns, claws, goat legs, they hare gods, and they want the minerals, the lands, the enviroment of earth
Humans, they are the middle, have the highest population, hybrid with other races count as well, capable of adapting to magic fairly well, can use the dark side and the light side technology, have free religion rules no restrictions.
Also the most violent race of them all, ungrateful and extremely selfish, cause the A.I of the angel to rebel and nearly cause the destruction of earth, again. Provoking and discriminating the demons much more than the angels.
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>start remembering weird shit I used to draw inspired from shonenshit and ATLA
>I made some jojo-tier comic where one family is exposed to weird shit over the ages
>they all have lightningbased powers
>one sacrifices his lightning abilities to be a speedy speedy boy

Man is this autism or what? I was 14 back then. I even had one edgelord somewhere down the line.
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>>146575918
There is no main focus hero, instead there are 9 of them, which gather up in the first 5 chapters and get their past slowly revealed.
4 of them are melee based, 1 of them is a demon fighter, other is a golem swordman,a wind/sound tribal dj with vibration gloves and a wind shield and the last one is an electric cyborg amazonian
3 other are ranged, one is a swedish elf gunslinger who can call in mutiple guns and ammo through satellite transportation, an angel hybrid dry ice mage, a blue fire skeleton mafia.
last 2 are support, an eldery moth healer/torturer with power of plants and a werewolf bard who can control machines with his song
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>>146576498
>swedish elf gunslinger
IT'S TIME TO STOP
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>Be me in Elementary
>Best friend and I make up a bunch of shit
>He's the most overpowered shounen protagonist that can do anything with a pet Dragon, 20 girlfriends, Army of Dragons, friend of gods, and King of the Dragon realm
>I'm a less powerful weak Water elemental with, a pet Water Dragon named Geoffrey
>we draw out all these battles in class and reenact them in reality
>sometimes invite others to play
>Had a blonde Indian Bitch named Melone
>never liked her because I thought she was stealing my best friend away from me
>and she said "I can never be friends with people who aren't my weight."
>Never hanged with her again
>I moved to another place
>I still draw out the battles when I'm feeling down sometimes

I miss it.
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>>146576604
Hey, people love diverse country cast, The elf is the only one I country for so far, just look at TF2,
3 American, 1 Scottish, 1 French, 1 German, 1 Russian, 1 alien and an Australian. MGR got French, Russia, Indonesia, Brazil. Jojo part 3 alone got French, Japanese, Brittish, Egyptian.
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> created an entire big story arc of Bleach in my head years ago, that takes place between the time when Ichigo lost his powers

Think shit would be good, but I'm conflicted because it's Bleach both because It's still a series I hold in my heart, and because of what it became, besides the absurd time it would need for something that could never be commercialized.
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Don't you have to be moonrune native?
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>>146514243
I finally decided to do it knowing that it will be shit. Might as well learn from it.
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>>146544671
Lost
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I would but I can't draw yet and I don't think my ideas would work well in a book without illustrations.
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>>146514428
What's OEL?
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>>146519564
>>146519344
>>146514622
.....what and you stopped?
>>146524179
WHY WOULD YOU STOP
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>>146576973
i dont think those countries would survive hundreds of years of war between angels and demons
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>>146524745
That action line for the arm looks weird, other than that looks great
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>>146563341
Fucking post that shit
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>>146578331
Most of the countries with high population count in the world was wipe out like China, India due to the lack of resources
(which demons can regrown back due to their technology on terraforming and angel got golems to create more minerals, they still need a habitable planet) before the angels and demons come, only few surviving humans left due to the human war, about 3 billions, the one who survire are either extremely lucky or is a hardcore badass,
so imagine the rest of humanity is contain of many different countries's surviors who either died out or mate with other angels and demons to survire as well as gaining powers along the way
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>>146578037
Any idea can work on written form unless yours are just generic shonen filled to the brim with 1-on-1 fights everywhere.
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>>146578806
okay
but 'swedish elf' just doesnt sound good

'diverse country cast' you mentioned previously makes sense in tf mgr and jojo because in tf theyre just regular soldiers, mgr is real world but with huge robots and nanomachine ninjas and jojo is real world with stupid shit going on like vampires and ripple
normal countries in world of technology and magic destroyed by angel and demon wars are just kinda stupid to be honest
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>>146578278
well the publisher, in my country, didnt accept it and I have problems with pacing and paneling
aizz the comic industry in our country is not a thing yet, and most of artist cant live on drawing comic and shit
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>mc delinquent
>really bad dude kicks little children in head and pregnant women in stomachs and shit
>he picks up fight with a very very dangerous gang
>it turns out its huge yakuza controlling whole city and stuff
>obviously every member of yakuza knows kung fu krav maga and is master of katana combat
>so what will you do delinquent?
>train martial arts!
>under the eye of ancient karate master who teaches him not only combat but about life and shit
>with every killing technique he learns he becomes better man
>he destroys yakuza freeing city from their grip and becomes good person
>but wait what
>turns out yakuza boss is vampire
>holy shit what now
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>>146579125
I see, well good luck
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>>146514243
Why would I make a manga?
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>>146579125
Oi gioi oi, thich thi cu dang len webtoon ay, hoac dung patreon, dung 4chan,tumblr,deviantart,facebook de nang su noi tieng len, ve dep la dc roi, chi can phan chia thoi gian nua thoi, neu bon no ko chap nhan thi tu minh lam
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Could anyone give me a list with English books that have VERY detailed descriptions in them? Something like Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged, for example - I could perfectly picture the environments, the people, and even the people's movements themselves.

English is my second language, and I need to improve it to the point I'd be able to make a book without it reading like it was written like a 12 year old.
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>>146579543
pic related is from Atlas Shrugged, it's what I want to at be able to write; it's not mine.
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>>146579585
to at least be able to write*
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>>146579066
Fine, so be it, I'm still working on it so it boynd to have something stupid
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>>146524682
Nipples! I love nipples! Thank youu
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>>146579543
>>146579585
>>146579632
stop posting in my thread
(its an order btw not title of book)
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>>146578820
Well, only one of them kinda is

>Supermarket exclusively for disgustingly rich people is opened, but also becomes a target for con artists and thieves since every product is easily worth hundreds. Cashiers who let anything slip by and don't solve the issue by the end of the day or cover the loss will have the price deduced from their salary, which will easily leave employees indebted to the supermarket should some of the most expensive products get by. However, employees who last to the end with minimal losses are paid very handsomely. MC is looking for a huge cash boost to kickstart his adult life, and manages to get hired. He will have to face picky customers, conmen, antagonizing colleagues and other unusual enemies for one month in the best - and worst - supermarket cashier job in the world.

>The luckiest family in the world. Once. Now, the unluckiest. Caught in a conflict between Fortune and Misfortune, this once-average family was hit by a string of surprise reveals and discoveries about each other in a reality-bending fashion by the two universal forces, in which they all gained special abilities followed by impossible enemies. Driven apart due to the calamities that follow when their collective bad luck is focused in one place, they decide to adopt a young boy, someone with equal amounts of good and bad luck, who will spend some time with all of them to make sure if his influence would improve their chances of survival, as they learn that people blessed by both Fortune and Misfortune will be led to them sooner or later to finish them off. Each major arc focuses on one family member.

>D&D characters get drawn into post-nuclear apocalypse Earth. Haven't developed this one too much yet.
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>>146544671

Fucking lol
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>>146580025
Jesus, couldn't you ask me to stop nicely? "Stop posting in my thread!, it's an order!". You're treating me as if you're some ultra-rich billionaire, and I'm a brat from the worst neighbourhood in the poorest city in the country. Like I'm the cockroach in your soup.


What would you do if I kept posting? I probably won't, because it was a one-time question, but, Jesus..
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>>146524081
>>146524098
>>146524429
>tfw there are other Vietnamese faggots browsing /a/ and drawing better than me
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>>146580437
Dang anh may ve len
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>>146555753
>I know you Raziel, you are worthy.
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>>146580437
I can't stop having pho. That shit tastes too fucking good, and I eat some every week.
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>>146580433
i told you something didnt i?
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>>146580818
Stop it with that entitled attitude and I will. What are you gonna do, ban me?
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You are all a bunch of useless cunts and you will never accomplish anything.

In the off chance you do, it will never be popular or relevant, and will be fondly remembered by no one but maybe you.
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>>146525462
that guy in the mid has a shitty looking hair
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>>146581101
Pompadours are the coolest-looking haircut out there. What's shitty is your taste.
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>>146580588
No.
Ở đâu vậy ? HN ? TPHCM ?

>>146580731
Fucking pleb. Don't reply to me faggot.
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>>146581320
It's not exactly smart to give out your address on 4chan
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>>146580437
don't worry man I'll never be as good as pretty much anyone ITT.
I started drawing 2 years ago and didn't improve at all.
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>>146581101
>>146581160
Vampire banchou
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>>146581408
Whatever. Just curious where you're from.

>>146581508
You should practice tracing first and then find your own style. I'm weak at drawing backgrounds because I don't practice as much as others.
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>>146581676
> tracing

copying/referencing is one thing, but tracing is nowhere near interesting to learn.
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>>146581676
tried but to be honest too exhausted both mentally and physically from work, and when I get home and it kinda kills the mood for it.
Also I use weekends for only relaxing and draw rarely and thats nowhere near enough to improve.
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>>146579125
Try LINE webtoon. They love westerners.
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>>146581777
Tedious practice is tedious. I practiced tracing when I was small with Detective Conan and Glass Mask and didn't mind it. It's just a part of drawing.

>>146581847
Yeah I get you. I normally sketch some small parts like hand gestures, hairs and eyes whenever I have free time. Consider it doing light exercise to improve your touch. You don't have to draw a big, complete picture for the whole world to see.
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>>146576685
don't worry you'll make friends at your new elementary school
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>>146582248
He's not a westerner.
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>>146584252
They love anything really. He should still go for it.
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>>146582575
If I wasn't so butt tired after work, damnit I need to work especially on hairstyles.
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