Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1655

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First for imouto

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>>146485948

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>>146485984

このスレを日本語のスレにしようぜ

アノンちゃまはいま何を読んでいるの？

How do I increase my mature card retention?
Yes, I am reading more.

>>146486137
>いま何を読んでいるの
お前のポストに決まってるじゃんボケ

>>146486162
cram some or decrease starting ease

>>146486162
Drink more alcohol

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The Japanese あ sound is pronounced like the A in "hat".

Checkmate atheists!

>>146485930
>>146485948
try to stop being an obnoxious memekid, OP

>>146486277
>obnoxious memekid
>gets dubs
10/10

>>146486294
では小生のゾロ目を拝見するがよい

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Do you think doing a kana-only version of my mining deck on the side will help me recognize words when doing listening practice?

I feel like I rely on Kanji too much.

人糞教授に教えられれば日本語が話せるようになるかも

>>146486615
I think you should just do more listening practice instead of fucking around with anki

>>146486635
Of course I'm doing listening practice, but words I should know fly right past me all the time, and I only notice them when I turn on subtitles and see the Kanji.

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みなさん、
いままでごぞんじしてさせてもらってきました
おせわになっております

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you'll cowards cant even lern jap

>>146486658
Yeah that happens to me too, shit's pretty annoying

I'd assume your kana deck idea might work to some extent but I can't imagine it would be more effective than just doing listening practice in the time you would have spent on the deck

>>146486615
why do you think a lot of jap news in subbed with kanji

2k/6k and the mine deck seperatively or just one deck for all?

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Learning Japanese is like climbing a very long staircase. If you try to do too much at the beginning, you won't have much energy and will be hurting later on trying to climb the very same number of steps the next day. It's not about how fast you can climb to "step number x" in the beginning, it's about being willing to climb a minimum number of steps everyday. Once you have turned it into a habit, climbing that minimum amount of steps becomes so much easier. Language learning is about being consistent in the end.

The Japanese have a saying: 七転び八起き 「ななころびやおき」 "Fall down 7 times, get up 8"

Don't be afraid to make mistakes! The worst you'll do is fall over, but you can always pick yourself back up. Beginners often start learning the language full of fire and determination, but quickly fizzle out due to fear of making mistakes. Look forward to making mistakes and learning from them instead. Even if climbing just a few steps feels painful, difficult, slow going and unsatisfying in the beginning, if you always stick it out, every day it becomes easier, and you definitely will achieve your goals!

>>146487151
I want to press my dick into your ass dude

>>146487126
whoa is that what we're gonna do this thread, we gonna fight?

Anal masturbation is like climbing a very long staircase. If you try to do too much at the beginning, you won't have much energy and will be hurting later on trying to climb the very same number of steps the next day. It's not about how fast you can climb to "step number x" in the beginning, it's about being willing to climb a minimum number of steps everyday. Once you have turned it into a habit, climbing that minimum amount of steps becomes so much easier. Anal exploitation is about being consistent in the end.

The Japanese have a saying: 七転び八起き 「ななころびやおき」 "Fall down 7 times, get up 8"

Don't be afraid to make mistakes! The worst you'll do is fall over, but you can always pick yourself back up. Beginners often start expanding their bumholes full of fire and determination, but quickly fizzle out due to fear of making mistakes. Look forward to making mistakes and learning from them instead. Even if climbing just a few steps feels painful, difficult, slow going and unsatisfying in the beginning, if you always stick it out, every day it becomes easier, and you definitely will achieve your goals!

i love /djt/ cause it makes me feel like im doing something productive while browsing /a/

im not even learning jap lol

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>>146487151
七転八倒「しちてんばっとう」

ともいうよ

ややこしいけど、りょうほうAnkiしてね

がんばっておにいちゃん

>>146487266
>がんばっておにいちゃん

いつもの援助ありがとう

this is gonna be a slow thread cause i think everyones teasing /v/ again about persona

>>146487186
just asking what you individually do to make up my mind, not what every djt-drone must do

An 「移動動物園」is like a petting zoo right?

>>146487636
>Many people stop the Core2K/6K deck after reaching 2000 words; partly because the first 2000 words (Core2K) are a lot more common than the rest, and partly because of the significant time investment involved in completing Core6K. As you can expect even Core2K to take about 3 months to complete, some prefer to skip it and begin reading native material immediately.

>Whether or not you feel that the time investment is worth it depends on your tolerance for looking up unknown words.

>apparently N3 requires the knowledge of ~3500 words
>tfw know over 5k, but jcat still places me between N4 and N3
I really should learn more conversational Japanese.

>>146487778

ah thank you for the advice, but I actually ment something different. I am about 3k into 2k/6k and am reading, but wondered if (after finishing) making one deck (including mining and the 2k/6k) or having two seperate decks (mining-deck+2k/6k) is more convenient for you.

Thanks anyway

>>146487765
wiki says it was zoo on request, for things like kindergartens etc

they'd move it there

How many words should I learn before starting grammar?

>>146488162
0

>>146488162
All of them

>>146488162
If you learn enough words you don't need to learn grammar

>>146488051
Okay, that makes more sense in the context of the following lines. Thanks anon.

I should check wikipedia more.

how do i learn anime language
pls help
will pay in memes made by me

>>146488038
Make a second deck. Some people make a deck per piece that they read.

>>146488344
Pay me in gum instead and you got a deal

>>146487252
I'm living in a single at my uni and i brought my dildo and have not used it yet.

>>146488344
Put words in your brain, regurgitate.

There you go.

>>146488162
Load up tae kim while setting up anki

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Noob questions

First panel, why is it かいてくれてた instead of simply かいてくれた?

いがいといい奴だ
I get the meaning but why is と being used here?

>>146488162
I think the first answer was the best one. Do Tae Kim and Core at the same time.

>>146488416
thanks

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>>146488529
>かいてくれてた

かいてくれたはdrewっぽいかんじで
かいてくれてたはdrawingっぽいかんじだよ

>>146488529
>かいてくれてた
Fuuka has drawn me a picture.
>かいてくれた
Fuuka drew me a picture

>いがいといい奴だ
と makes 意外 an adverb.

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Having an issue with mining. The number of mined words goes up way faster than I can review them unless I'm willing to sentence myself to insane numbers of reps daily. By the end of a book there's usually a big pile of words that are still "New", and that pile is only going to get bigger with the next book.

How would you address this?
>mine less words
But is skipping words any different than what's essentially happening now?

>don't read the next chapter until all words from the previous chapter are Young.
Compelling content is compelling though.

Any other ideas?

>>146489318
Trepanation

>>146489318
Deal with having a backlog of words for a while.

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>>146489318
With VNs it's really easy to skip words. You mine the interesting ones and for the words that seem too rare/boring for your current level you just ignore them until later. But with manga you have to put in actual effort to look up words so you kinda might as well mine anything that you needed to look up.

You could, however, try to put more effort into guessing from the kanji and not looking up words that maybe you could have figured out from context.

Tbh though I would just deal with those insane reps. As long as you've done a couple thousand words from Core and know most of the Jouyou they shouldn't be that bad. You should be able to do more than 20 words a day with mined words.

>>146489318
I have the same issue, consider installing morphman addon for anki.

The addon will analyze all the data you already know (based on what you've already studied in anki) and rearrange the new cards to try and give you an optimal learning order. So say you know 取る and 引く it will arrange the new cards to show your 取引 and 引きこもり first instead of say 子犬.

It doesn't solve the problem, but it allows you to study the random assortment of shit you mine much more effectively. It's helped me to deal with my mining vocab backlog a lot.

Be warned though, it takes a bit of fiddling to get set up properly.

>>146489318
I have the same problem - I can have 200-300+ words by the end of a volume mined and ready, but by the time I actually review them all (three to four weeks later), I'll already be several volumes ahead, if not already finished with the series.

It's just part of the learning process. You didn't reread or put a hold to reading until you could understand the entire text's vocabulary with perfect recall as a kid. You just learned through exposure over time.

The best you can do is continue to read things in a similar vein (ie, stick to eroge, shounen, same author, same genre, whatever) and reinforce those words, with Anki acting as a secondary learning tool, instead of your primary one.

I'm stuck not being able to deal with the vocab overload from finishing core 6k and doing my own mining deck at the same time. By the time I finish core6k in two months, my mining deck will be larger - this is frustrating, but hopefully by the time I can tackle it, a lot of those words I'll be able to rate as Easy by the time I finally, officially "review" them.

Finally reached the 2K milestone in Anki. Better finish Tae Kim too.

>>146490486
Fuck are you doing? You should've finished TK ages ago

>>146490548
Anki is easier, the grammatical concepts just go over my head and I put it down. When I do eventually pick it back up, I start from chapter 1 and work my way up. Needless to say, it's not very efficient.

>>146490631
Japanese the Manga Way might suit you better

>>146490665
Thanks, I'll give it a shot

I finished my kanji deck and not getting new cards makes me feel like my brain's rotting at an even faster pace.

I really wish I could get that rikaisama mining shit down but it seems so unnecessarily complicated.

>>146491032
You can't learn Japanese

>>146491032
Don't you just have to hover over a word and press a button and it mines it?

I don't even use rikai import because I use chrome, I add my mined words to a notepad and import them that way, and it's still the easiest thing in the universe

>>146488529
>>146489284
>>かいてくれてた
>Fuuka has drawn me a picture.

Maybe I'll get proven wrong when you post more context, but I'd say it's much more likely this means "Fuuka was drawing me a picture".

>>146491321
>chrome

Is there a way to take an import list and use it to move all the words to the front
Like if you go through Core 10k, but want to mine a list of 30 words each day and just move the cards to the front instead of going in the Core order

>>146491357
custom study > preview new cards

or just browse > added today > reschedule

>>146491356
pretty sure there's a browser shitposting thread in >>>/g/ for this kind of low-effort comment

>>146491416
They aren't "added today" though because they were already in the deck

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What was the first thing you completed fully in Japanese? Manga, anime, game, whatever. For me it was Zwei!! which was a lot of fun.

>>146491554
then replace the middle "added today" step with "search for term" step

>>146491618
Which would require searching and repositioning cards one at a time, which is what I'm trying to avoid.

Found this gem >>146491972

>>146492701
Meh that's not all that funny you gotta go to reddit for the real gold

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>>146491600
Not counting the thousands of H-doujins, probably 戦国ランス.

Is there a simple way to learn the Japanese characters/alphabet? If I want to read manga in Japanese I need hiragana, right? I just think that if I start with the alphabet, the rest should fall into place, that's how my mind works.

>>146493780
Some people use realkana
You can use flashcards
Honestly kana is the easiest part. Consensus here says it should take between 1 to 3 days to get both alphabets.

>>146494051
>Consensus here says it should take between 1 to 3 days to get both alphabets

And with that another dekinai was born

>>146494090
Consensus here is that you're also a NEET so it's really whatever. Took me a week and I was in school

Have elevens learned how to clean raw manga yet? Last time I downloaded some raw volumes they looked like utter shit

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>>146493684
>よくなかったら
Spent 30 seconds trying to figure that shit out because 良く it's written in hiragana.

FUCK

>>146494806
No, you spend so long because you're dumb. It's written in kana the majority of the time.

>>146494806
You should probably stop using a Core deck.

>>146494806
>>146495029

People who find stuff written in hiragana hard to read probably just don't read enough real Japanese.

Good writing strikes a balance, but even native speakers have differing opinions on what that balance should be.

Heck, half the shitty light novels out there actually sacrifice readability to appeal to a chunibyo audience that thinks having more kanji makes something more "mature" or whatever it is that motivates chunis.

If you do fewer than 20 words a day and have the time to shitpost in DJT you aren't trying

>>146495029
>>146495165
I'm just a beginner with very little reading experience. Chill the fuck out.

>>146495306
Hey, I'm not the one that called you dumb.

Not reading enough real Japanese can be just as much an issue of "hasn't been studying long yet" (i.e. "is a beginner) as it can be "reads nothing but anki cards" (i.e. is a retard).

And there's no shame in being a beginner.

>>146495165
Pretty sure people that find stuff in hiragana hard to read just need to do more listening practice

スレを生き返ますように

>>146497020
>生き返る is godan

Woops

>tfw PS Vita, the quintessential weeb console, is getting blown wide open at this very moment
>tfw just ordered a 64GB memory card
>tfw COMPELLING CONTENT

>>146497854
Video games are for nerds

>>146497020
別に死んだわけじゃないけど

>>146497854
Oh come on, I just closed my /vitagen/ tab so I don't have to see them crying about fucking nothing.

>>146497854
>>146498071
It's still a complete clusterfuck but it's only a matter of time now, give it a week or two.
RIP in peace dumb EOPs

>>146497854
PCfag here, care to explain?

>>146498619
a tool that allows for piracy was leaked during development, drama ensued
it's not fully functional yet, only a handful of games work, but like >>146498158 said it shouldn't be long before we have actual vita piracy

>>146498619
vitas been hacked for a while

thing to put games on your vita memcard got leaked when incomplete and unreliable but sort of working

dev got pissed stopped devving

memcard prices rising limited supply

muppets dance

>>146494090
I'm in uni and it took me 2 days. Obviously you just learn it "initially", so you somewhat know what's going on. After that you solidify it while learning grammar by writing sentences and vocab. But well, if it take's you more time it's alright. Learning japanese is not a race. Just be sure to constantly go forward. Learn something new everyday.

Imouto asks where is mom.
Onee-chan answers :
>まだ忘れられないのね・・・
>Tells her mom is dead.
>Imoutoはまだ小学生だもの・・・忘れられなくて当然よね。

Why is 忘れられる in the negative here? I don't get it, the imouto CLEARLY didn't remember about it, she DID forget it, so why would the neechan replies to her "oh you couldn't forget about it right"? Wouldn't the obvious answer be "well you're still in elementary school it's normal you'd forget"?

Why 忘れられない and not 忘れられて（当然ね）？

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>>146498847
I'm sorry to tell you this but if it takes you more than 40 minutes to learn both hiragana and katakana you will never have enough time to learn Japanese due to your lack of speed.

But hey, it's not a race or anything. I'll see you in 5 years when you've finished yotsuba

>>146499229
You're looking at this the wrong way. The sister tells the kid that mom is dead so that she'll forget about her and realize she will never come back.

The girl can't forget her mom because she's still a little kid that needs her mommy.

>>146499402
Oh right, makes sense, thanks.

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>>146499876
it could work for one person and then not work for the next thats the current state of the build

I'm very happy to have finished Anki for today (:

Hello DJT, but what is the difference between うち　and いえ　when it comes to 家？Can both pronunciations be interchangeable?

I love all of you tbqh...

I broke up with Maki my waifu but everything will be ok.

My destiny is too learn this language tbqh...

I may have failed navy and everything but were all going to make it tbqh...

>>146502340
hello djt poster please copy and paste the following into google or bing 家とうちの違い and yokully read the results thank you for your cooperation

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>>146502357

>tfw using Rosetta Stone
Onanoka-tachiwa tabete something imas

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>>146491600
Ｚｗｅｉ！はちょっとやったことあるよ

ともだちんちにあった

>>146502822
>ともだちんちにあった
>ちんちに
>chinchin (i)

いやらしいな

>>146499245
Well, I study japanese around 1-2 hours a day and I'm finishing tobira 6 months after I started learning, which brings me to about n3 level. N1 will take additional 1.5 year if i go at turtle pace, so please stop with this 5 year meme. It may apply to anki users, but learning throught exposition really feels easier and faster.

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Just another day of whining about how hard it is but pushing through,

Reading through DOJG and just picking up little things and using the example sentences. Might compile some stuff later on. I don't even know.

I asked this last night but nobody responded but does anybody here anything about extracting text from games?

I want to start compiling original text and host it somewhere for a bunch of games as a long term goal.

>>146499245
You can "learn" hiragane and katakana in 40 minutes, but it's not going to stick for very long

>>146503190
http://www.j-cat.org/

>>146503294
>but it's not going to stick for very long
see you in 5 years

Today I did Anki for 38 minutes and then I read a visual novel for 2 hours and 45 minutes.

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>>146502911
たしかにωにきこえないこともないけど

よくつかうよ、んち

>>146503306
Japanese cats sure are kawaii

>>146503392
Should havw done Anki for 3 hours and 23 minutes

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愉快 ー　ゆかい　－　Happiness
誘拐　－　ゆうかい　－　Kidnapping

＞tfw　I thought hare hare yukai meant kidnapping happiness

tfw i thought therefore i was [ゲイ]

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>>146503915
ねいてぃぶも、まっさきにたたきこまれるのは

はつおんが似ているたんごのくべつだよ

>びよういん
>びょういん

>>146489318
Only mine every other thing you read. I mined a VN, then read an LN without mining while I caught up on the cards.

Or don't mine words until you've seen them 2-3 times and still can't remember them. That way you eliminate the really rare cards and the cards that you can learn without even mining them.

>>146502822
何でお兄ちゃんはお前の友達とあったことないか
ここに連れて来てくれ
お兄ちゃんはキチント挨拶したいさ

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I am taking a small break.
I have been studying and writing kanji for hours. 800mg of caffeine guides my day.

>>146505667
it must suck to actually have big tits irl

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>>146505667
well, see you in 5 years

>>146505794
Hell no it doesn't. Sure they get in the way sometimes and running down stairs without a bra on hurts... But they're fun to play with and make me feel like a sexy, sexy succubus. I wouldn't trade mine for anything in the world.

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>>146505794
>get free passes to do anything

No lol. I mean I am muscular with a six pack and /fit/ but that is nothing like a girl with big tits.

>>146505866
wait until you're old and they sag to the ground and you hunch over from back pains

>>146505924
free pass to do anything like never be respected as a human being

>>146505956
Oh well, guess I'll set aside money for reduction surgeries.

>>146505995
Unless she acts like a floozy or some kind of whore why wouldn't you respect some girl just because she has big tits? Maybe niggers or retards who go ooga booga can't but regular people will view them as normal people unless they act like a succubus or a borderline personality disorder retard.

>>146506109
shes already acting like a floozy and whore by having big tits duh also i dont believe boys who say they can honestly act normal around a girl with monster jugs sorry

boys are always preoccupied with boobies unless they are defective boys

I just had my first japanese 101 class today.


I should have listened to /djt/

>>146506109
And women secretly(at times not so much) revile big boobed vixens due to inferiority complexes.
And there are a lot of men who can't appreciate voluptuous pumas' personalities or character traits. Japs in particular are notorious for this. Probably also the reason they're good at porn.

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>>146506326
I wish I was gay ;~; I love gays. They are so nice to me...

>>146506326
Kind of. I'll look as much as the next guy, but if she's a complete whore, that's sometimes a turnoff and I'll just find her ugly

>>146506399
What happened anon?

>>146506399
Tell me about the weebs please

>>146506536
They were awful, the teacher told us not to be afraid to admit you like anime because it was just another hobby. Then every one of them burst out at once and started yelling the name of their favorite anime.
Then the teacher started to explain how to pronounce some of the characters but every fat weeb who already knew because they studied for at least 10 minutes at some point started chanting the characters with him as loud as possible to try and impress him.
Then the introductions, holy shit. Some dumbass said "hajimemashita desu. watashi no namae wa john-san desu. yorushiku onegaishimasu desu."
Combine all this with the fact that there was no air conditioning and I was wedged between two girls who must have weighed 200 pounds each and who squirmed in their seats every time the teacher said anything that I assume related to them at all... it was not a good time.

>>146506831
Cool story, bro.

>>146506831
デスデスデスデスデス

>>146507133
It's not cool at all, actually. Please exercise and stop being so obnoxious that you have to yell out every other second. I fail to understand why else you would suddenly get so defensive if not that one of those things relates to you.

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>>146506831
>>146507227
I used to bully anime kids in high school because of how uncool they were.

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>>146506831
Look at you, acting like you're any better.

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>>146491600
>きょうは、なにしてあそぶ？

yotsuba

now i dont know what to do with myself, i feel empty and alone

>>146506831
kek

When I took japanese in college around ~1998 the class was split evenly between weebs and business majors who'd heard that japanese would be a valuable language to know for the upcoming decades.

Now i imagine it's just weebs and the businessmen have all moved on to mandarin.

>>146507264
read azumanga

>>146506831
Are you really 101 level or did they not let you take a test to place higher?

>>146507283
>businessmen
>college
Ho boy are you out of touch or what. Nowadays the only people you'd find on a college campus are the kinds you'd yell at to get off your lawn.

>>146507338
same author right? i should, but im scared of 大坂弁

oh well gotta learn it sometime

>>146507512
>大坂弁

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>>146507512
Damn right you gotta learn it. Good news is that only one character speaks it so it shouldn't overwhelm you.

How many of you learned kanji through vocab rather than individual characters?

>>146507670
me

>>146507575
大阪弁, apologies

>>146507670
I learned about 1200 before I did individual study

>>146507670
>肉球を上げる

>>146507445
I'm actually in college again. There's a fair amount of older students if you go over to the business school or to the grad schools.

On the other hand, just yesterday I saw a guy with the OPPAI shirt from one punch man, a pink backpack that had 最強の男 written on it, and a kirby tattoo on the back of his thigh. Faggots and weebs these days aren't even trying to hide it, safe spaces have made them brave.

Does writing each kanji down a bunch actually help or am I wasting my time

>>146508101
>safe spaces have made them brave.

i blame the kids

>>146508197
help with what

>>146508219
Recognizing it and it's meaning when reading

>>146508101
You realize /a/ is a safe space..right?

In fact /a/ is literally the #1 reason people have become much more open about being weebs

>>146508318
wtf I hate /a/ now

>>146508101
is that really weeb that seems like tumblr level normal waste of flesh

>>146508318
cyberspace ≠ real space

>>146491600
If you consider one volume to be something completed, then Yotsuba. If not, then Hanahira.

>>146508197
It might help but it's unnecessary and tedious as fuck. Just write it once and/or use a mnemonic.

>>146508197
It helped when learning the kana but I'm not gonna do it for kanji because I just don't feel like memorizing how to write each one

Was reading something and one of the main characters referred to themselves with オレ

Why did they do that? Does writing it in katakana add some subtle meaning?

>>146508996
People are allowed to write things however they want.

ダイジョーブだよ

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>>146508996
カタカナはカッコいい

>>146509168
That literally the only reason?

Didn't know if it was some silly sociolinguistic thing

Thanks

>>146508996
ワタシわニッポン

>>146508996
i dont know ask ryukisi07

>>146508996
I feel like this gets asked a lot. Maybe it should be in the guide.

>>146509440
label it katacoolna

>>146509624
its cruise control for cool

What's the difference between using 第 and 目 in a number, apart from placement of course.
Seems like both indicate that an item is the n-th from a number of items.

Learning the kana right now and I have a question

Should I be aiming to be able to instantly think of the kana character in my head when I see the words "nu", "cha" etc

Or should I just aim to be able to recognize the kana and their readings when I come upon them in reading material, but can't instantly imagine the character in my head

Sorry if this is confusing but this is the best way I can explain..

>>146510443
if you havent written out kana a shit load of course when you think of it in your head you may not be able to visualize it

depending on your goals that might not matter

>>146509885
The difference is roughly the same as the difference between "number 4" and "4th" in English.

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握りが遅い！！
タネに体温がうつって口ざわりが悪いわ！！
Anyone can help me out with this? Context is girl criticizing peoples sushi.

Something about the temperature being low because he was slow at forming the topping? I'm confused by 体温がうつって口ざわり

>>146510443
You should know them inside out, but through reading you'll get tons of exposure for them.
You should also know how to write them properly, filling out the kana on a sheet of paper is good practice for remembering and producing them.

>>146510443
I aimed to be able to write and recognize them, and I'd recommend being able to do both because kana are everywhere. I did it by following namasensei's videos, but basically just writing them over and over, drilling recognition practice on realkana, and eventually you'll be able to think of what they look like and sound like by memory. Your ability to remember them quickly will improve with more writing and recognition practice. I wouldn't do the same for kanji because there are thousands of complicated kanji with multiple readings, but there are less than like 100 katakana and hiragana combined and they're very important to know.

>>146510443
if you can write kana within 3 seconds of being prompted and read them within 2 I think you can move on

eventually they will have to become as second nature as english letters if you expect to read anything at a bearable pace, but no one manually trains them to that level

>>146510727
>>146510709
>>146510672
>>146510577
>>146510577
I have no interest in communicating in nip, just going to consume their media.. so yeah I figured writing it out and being able to visualize it is probably useless to me

but I think I will do it for the kana since like you guys said the are only a few of them unlike kanji where there are thousands and even tar Kim said that's probably a waste of time in modern times

>>146510845
anyone who says they can read japanese but can't write kana is bullshitting themselves

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>>146510936
what exactly am I currently reading then?

>>146510936
But I literally do that every single day

I haven't written a single kana or kanji in over 2 and a half years. I briefly did it in my first week of learning but I abandoned it very quickly.

>>146510643
This one actually works fine just by looking at the definitions in the dictionary:
体温: body temperature
うつる: transfer/infect
口触り: this ones a little trickier but it's splitting it into "mouth" and "feel" is close enough for learning purposes

They spent too long pressing it into shape and their body temperature (i.e. from their hands) has warmed up (literally "transferred into") the topping and it doesn't feel good in the mouth.

>>146511026
romaji, probably
>kore wa pen desu

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>>146510936
How did you arrive at this wrong belief?

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>>146511150
Oh I see. I was looking at this all wrong.
ありがと！

>>146511143
try to write this romaji sentence >>146511161 using kana in paint and post the result

I can't write any of the kana (besides a few that are used in kanji), but I can write 1781 kanji.

Pretty backwards, right?

>>146485942
Call me retard or whatever but how I download the whole guide?

>>146511472
No, that's normal. Idiots here just think that knowing a language means knowing how to write it.

I'm fluent in english and I can't even write my own name.

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>>146511391
not him but I gave it a shot after one year studying Japanese

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>>146511661

>>146511486
Because my internet is quite unstable.

>>146509885
>>146510591
Actually after a little more thought, this is a bad explanation.
It's useless to ESL speakers, there's a lot of overlap between the two terms in both English and Japanese, and it's just not quite right.

I sadly don't have time for a complete and comprehensive explanation, but I'm sure one would pop up if you googled persistently enough.

The gist of it is:

第 is for a fixed or formally decided numbering.
Example 1: you build some towers or bridges or trains and number them. You've decided upon the numbering. It's not likely to change.
Example 2: you have some world wars and number them. They're in the past and it's a fixed and accepted list. The numbering is not likely to change.

目 is for things that just happen to be in a certain ordering right now.
Example 1: You pull some items from your pocket and lay them out in a line. Maybe your keys are the 四つ目 item you pull out. If you repeat this process, they may well be 一つ目 next time.
Example 2: You might watch some auditions and then describe the second applicant as 二つ目. Sure, this ordering is in in the past, but there may be a second round of auditions and the same applicant may later be 三つ目.


As you've probably already figured out, there's still a lot of overlap between the two definitions (For instance if you were listing ex-boyfriends, you would probably use 目, not 第. (They may be in the past, but you never formally numbered them.)) and they're also massively open to interpretation.

But anyway, that's the overall, general rule.
And that's without even getting into 番 or 番目...

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What the fuck is she saying here?

>Because the rods are already set up, let's put the bait on the hook and throw it?
Or what?

>>146512072
pretty sure its the guy(?) saying it

>>146511391
But why would I do that if I don't need to communicate in Japanese?

I just need to understand

>>146512133
Ah, yeah it's him.
But is that it?

>>146511715
is this korean?

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>>146511391
>>146511472
I take pride in my kanji writing with a mouse.

>>146512072
>>146512133
仕掛け means tackle

>>146512246
no its imouto

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>>146511715
絶望

>>146512283
That makes no fucking sense, senpai. ;_;

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decipher

>>146512422

I won't be able to explain it any better without you being more specific about what you don't understand.


Does this help?

"Okay, the tackle's already on the rod, so
we can just put bait on the hook and toss it in!"

>>146511585
kek

>>146512072
That's the hardest chapter of Yotsuba.

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>>146512531
Fucking jisho and rikaisama don't have that translation for 仕掛け...

Makes total sense now, thank you very much anon.

>>146512072
mechanism is already attached to the rod?

>>146511715
can someone type this out?

>>146512869
きのうなつまつりで

きんぎょすくってきたんだけど

ねておきたらいっぴきしんでた

>>146513152
>all those Kis
Is this really nip

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What does tare mean here?

>>146513262
it means you should read something else

>>146513416
Saw it posted online

>>146485942
I'm 800 words into anki and it's getting too hard for me. How can learn 20 new words every day if I also need to relearn 20 other words?

>>146513473
>relearn
You're not relearning, you're reviewing.

>>146513152
Thanks.
I could hardly make out any of that, how demotivating.

>>146513632
https://boards.fireden.net/a/thread/144251848/#144294834

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ほっかいどうがざんざんぶり
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20160831/k10010660971000.html

>>146513849
キヨざまぁ

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旬

Oh god Memrise was a huge mistake, wasn't it?
This means season? W-why does it say Decameron?

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>>146513771
oh ok

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>>146514062
I don't know what a decameron is tho

>>146514062
上旬
中旬
下旬

That's why. Months come in thirds in Japanese.

>>146513632
It's Heisig's keyword.

>>146513262
That's the imperative form of 幸福たり.
It's basically the same thing as 幸福であれ.

>>146514348
Oh boy. Thank you.

>>146514232
After research, I've found out it's a Greek word meaning 10 day event. So it makes a lot of sense when it comes to:

上旬
中旬
下旬

>>146514404
Never read Heisig.

>>146514737
Regardless, Memrise IS trash as far as I know, so yeah it's a mistake.

>>146514781
You should probably stop doing courses based on his book then.

>>146514886
What are you talking about?
I do anki and read.

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いまは

ろじのぶどうが旬だよ

おいしーよ

おにいちゃんもたべよ

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アヌビスです

>>146485942
>http://djt.neocities.org/
Why are there so many variations of the Core decks in the cornucopia? What are the differences between them in terms of content?

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>>146516368
かっこいいいい！！

>>146516542
theyre all gay and worthless learn words by necessity and look up all grammar you dont know and even grammar you do know and be meticulous about it and youll learn japanese faster than doing gay ass pre made flashcard decks

>>146516780
the two are not mutually exclusive

>>146516881
they are if you want to live life in the fast lane and get laid in japan a$ap rocky style

>>146517082
you're not funny

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>Little brother joins the air force
>picked to get sent to japan (with other countries chosen)
>actually gets it
>will be stationed there for 3 years
>has already started his learning

Looks like I can finally restart learning this shit. Much easier when you have someone to talk to.

Just my luck.

>>146517186
refrain from posting if youre going to be off topic heckling troll

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ロマンチックな

>>146518267
私はそう思わないぞ

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>>146518436
あたしはおにいちゃんがすき

>>146518267
>を見たい
>を

>>146513262
It's much more entertaining to think of it as a pun on くそったれ

>>146513262
I saw the same image on twitter and asked the same question.
But I use google instead of 4chan for information relating to Japanese grammar so I reached an answer.

>>146519234
Your post is about 20 minutes after someone gave the actual answer here though, but nice try

>>146519234
What a fag. It's like you actually wanted to learn Japanese.

>>146519145
http://bunpou.neocities.org/Basic%E3%81%9F%E3%81%84.png

>>146518500
どこが

>>146514537
So you're just commanding 人 to posses the quality of 幸福?

>>146519591
Do not entertaining the roleplaying antics of a mentally unstable avatarfag.

クソったれ

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>>146519670
That is the gist of it, my friend.
よく出来ました

>>146519726
or what pussy

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>>146519670
be happy or else

>>146519670
That's like completely wrong nuance wise but sure why not youll figure it out if you read more

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>there are people who do fewer than 50 new words a day

>>146520012
あきらめるな

>>146520012
sorry anon, i have to 出来る more things in life than just japanese

>>146520118
But seriously I'm doing enough anki that ill probably get a repetitive motion injury please send help

>>146520012
i dont do words i do japanese sluts while drinking a ice cold asahi super dry

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>>146520012
guilty, but at least i havent added calories, only a radical deck

>>146520229
now to finish my reps with my left hand

so guys I'm at around 8000 vocab and it's obvious 10000 is a meme

what is the real number

has anyone actually learned Japanese

>>146520626
>has anyone actually learned Japanese
No. Some of us are just good at pretending.

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>>146520626
i dunno dude ~6000 seems like enough for me

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Is there an actual solution to ridiculous numbers of reviews besides wasting 2-3 hours a day on them?

I can read vns but I can't read novels
how to make this transition
its read more , isn't it

>>146520902
You mean you can "read" VNs with a texthooker
If you could read plot VNs with no problem, then you could also read novels with no problem, although you might have to get used to some weird cultural references and old vocab if you go read souseki or something

I want to learn moon, How much time would it take? 2 years, 3 years?
I already know 2 languages.

>>146521084
Work hard enough and you'll make it to N1 in 2 years. Keep going and you might reach fluency in 4 years.

That's just a goal though.

>>146514537
Thanks, I looked all over the place for たれ but never found たり. Looked up たる instead.

>>146521084
If you learned 2 languages already you should already have some idea

>>146521372
Honestly if he learned two european languages he would probably have less of an idea.

>>146521084
>, H
>ESLs who think they "know" English
You know 1 language.

>>146521530
My phone does that automatically.

>>146521607
no one cares anyway you are being trolled

>>146520012
>There are people that think anki matters

>>146521280
keep in mind that the verb stem can be used as a continuation form and you should be fine the next time you come across something similar.

>>146522668
It's a bit early in the thread to be shitposting like a retard, anon.

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Why does she read it as にっぽん？
I know it is a correct reading, I just don't understand when I should read one or the other.

>>146522794
にほん is more formal

>>146522794
nippon is more prideful thats all I know
nippon banzai

>>146522784
Doesn't surprise me that someone who thinks anki is the cornerstone of Japanese also does't know what shitposting is

>>146523138
He's right. You fell for the anki meme

>>146520999
>You mean you can "read" VNs with a texthooker
But anon I haven't used a texthooker for the past 6 months. I guess I'm talking about the part with harder novels where writers seem to jump around different topics a lot within a page and their sentences are really long sometimes compared to VNs. Although, these are just my thoughts after trying to read nisioisin and being intimidated by the confusing prose.

>>146523329
How many words do you know? I need to know the true number, not the 10000 meme

>>146523426
I don't use Anki or any memorization program, I just read, if there's a word I don't know, I check it in a J-J dictionary or J-E dictionary if the former is too complicated(especially with really simple words).

Past VNs I read were Chaos;Child, Baldr Force, and Miagetegoran, none of them gave me any big trouble writing wise. There just seems to be a big gap in difficulty between "intermediate" writing and writing from the big authors.

>>146523500
>I don't use Anki or any memorization program

I envy you

>>146523500
If you don't mind me asking, how much did you do each day and how long did it take you to get to that point then?
I started like 6 years ago but I didn't do enough early on and I did like nothing for 2 years. I have a vocab close to 10000 and it's just not enough for read comfortably.

Can you read relatively naturally? I have yet to hear any success stories with Anki at all. It is this general's biggest meme but every successful second language learner I find, on youtube or whatever, never used it. I have thought of ditching it but I have no other study plan except "put stuff in and do it each day"

Last time I tried to ditch it I ended up just doing nothing instead.

>>146491600
A silly little VN about shinigami that live with he MC so they can reap her in 30 days. Through a series of convoluted events one of the gamis was her great grandpa who became a reaper out of grief, stopped being a ghost after dating the MC so she could then wait 17 years so he could reincarnate into a teenager again to keep it going. Not a horrible experience, but thankfully I've moved to things with more depth.

>>146523599
I started around 1.5 years ago, I started with Anki and only stopped using it around 6-8 months ago.

It takes me a long time to finish a VN, around 2 months. I've only really finished 8 VNs in the past year. I have really big problems with focusing, but I don't really have problems with the content itself. I'm not sure whether my reading is relatively natural or not, I think it's decent. Anyways, if you're thinking of dropping Anki, I say do it. I did it at around 6-7k words if I recall.

I've been studying for a month and I still can't get all the Katakana right.

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>http://blog.livedoor.jp/poterobo/archives/6110728.html

>Japs getting angry at English translations leaving in honorifics instead of changing "onii-chan" to [name], etc.

This is comedy gold.

>>146523802
>俺は年下でも年上でもbroとかsisterって呼ぶけど

interdasting, bro

>>146523784
Coming up on three weeks here. Sometimes フ and ワ and サ get me mixed up but other than that I've got it. I like katakana because it's so easy to recognize the loan words.

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>>146522794
京読みが「にほん」

東京読みが「にっぽん」

だよ。どちらもただしいんだよ

がんばっておにいちゃん

>>146523802
haha yeah what a hoot

>>146511884
You can demystifying by thinking about a race with numbered tracks, tiered players, and ordered "who's ahead of who".

>>146513771
Ah, the legendary imoutogana strike again.

>>146524719
>tfw studying for 20 years and still only know 10 imoutogana

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>>146524781
i think after that long i'll finally know all the 擬声語

>tfw learned all the secret kanji

Rec some 可愛い曲 for listening practice.

>>146524899
Damn I had almost forgotten how adorable Ashley is

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いもうとganaってなに？

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>>146524987

>>146525012
見て >>146511715

>>146524987
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8oCoObsxGg

>>146525012
ドンマイ、 ダサい仮名遣いだ

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>tfw I downloaded that guy's font

>>146524987
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdEwkF045Qw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84wNbQwsEwY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRIBCezbUhA

>>146525202
They look hot t b f

That guy did a good job

>>146525237
he basically just frankenstein'd an existing font though

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>>146525202
最低な

>>146525265
Still looks nice though, the sounds they're assigned to are cleverly done and the stroke orders are mostly plausible too

>>146511486
It was possible in the previous version of the site, but was removed due to being " too confusing". Why didn't they just make a link to a page listing all the miscellaneous and possibly useful stuff is beyond me. Such a shame current djt site maintainer a brainless cuck.

It also gave an easy way to make another version of the site, because I think both the Google docs and sheets that make up the site and the code to embed them was available, so even someone not very computer literate could take over in case the site maintainer sl stopped doing his duties.

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>>146525202
うくすつぬふむゆるう

のとこがくるくるしてて

かわいいね

>>146511486
Retard

>>146525357
desu the only part I like is how some characters are so close to their originals

aside from that the feature system is mildly inefficient, though it might occur naturally.

>>146525202
so you talk like a fag, and your shits all retarded?

>>146525609
I just like how all the characters in a certain vowel row are similar, katakana kinda does that with ウクスフヌ etc, but I've always thought it would be useful to have it on a wider scale, and it kinda does that in imoutogana

>>146511486
You can download it from the page but if you can't do that for whatever reason, you can use these links:
word document version:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/67cd54euv2pvzgm/ThenewDJTguide.docx
website/html version:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/dkcf7r9wh7zv04d/ThenewDJTguide.zip


>>146525373
Why don't you make suggestions? The current djt site maintainer is actively implementing suggestions and asking for them.

>It also gave an easy way to make another version of the site
It's just as easy. You can download the site and run it entirely offline.