Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1654

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今日も一日アンキするぞい！

is 稚戯 an edgy way of writing 児戯?

>>146441648
There was no jump for me, I never made the distinction when picking which manga I would read and the lack of furigana never manifested itself as a problem to me. Just use kanjitomo and there's pretty much no difference from reading with furigana.

>>146444146
I'm supposed to spend all day on Anki?

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>>146444376
No, 30 minutes or so is good.

>>146444376
Yes, if you want to learn Japanese

What else would you do? Read native material? That sounds like a massive waste of time

>>146444201
児戯 looks edgy enough already

What's the edgiest kanji out there?

>>146444658
角

>>146444658
鏖 no fucking contest

>>146444658
姦

>>146444658
凹

>>146444754
気持ち悪い。これがセックシーストだ。

>>146444658
厂

>>146445109
男なら問題のある言語現象は許さないな
言論の自由でも制限がある

>>146444658
刃

>>146444376
Once you start reading and mining a lot of words you'll be surprised how much time you'll have to spend on Anki due to the buildup of reviews from all the new cards over the week.

個室

I thought this meant "persistence / insistence / adherence" for months before I realised my mistake

I figured it was just one of those words that uses weird kanji

>>146447348
>I thought this meant "persistence / insistence / adherence"
Just out of curiosity, but how did this even happen?

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>>146447159
>Tfw you finish reading a fuck ton of pages of something without having to add any new words to your gigantic vocab backlog

>>146447159
Or you can just limit the number of new cards a day so that you can spend only a reasonable amount of time on anki.

>>146447472
固執

Mined it wrong and never realised

>>146447503
how big is your vocab, and what have you been reading?

>>146447591
Around 10k words in anki, but my vocab backlog is like 300 words long, not sure if it'll ever start going down

I read 10 pages of Kino no Tabi like an hour ago without adding any new words which I was pretty happy about

> 数百人の視線と声で嫌な汗が流れた

the looks and voices of hundreds of people as disgusting sweat flowed?

>>146448489
He got unpleasantly sweaty when faced with stares and voices of several hundreds people.

>>146448633

this is why I will never learn Japanese

>>146448489
で is the "cause of effect" meaning here. Everyone stared at him so he got sweaty.

Anki is a huge fucking meme. Holy shit.

>>146448633
>>146448675

how do I stop seeing Japanese sentences as a big cloud of words to which I have to infer the true meaning?

grammar guides don't help at all when all they teach is super basic garbage like "I am faggot" "I was faggot".

>>146449328
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs

>>146449328
ReAd MoRe

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>>146449099
Do we really have to bring this back?

For future reference (on how to tell if something is a shitpost):
>calls the community made guide/whatever method a piece of shit with no reasoning given why
>insults someone giving helpful advice with no reasoning given why
>attempts to create arguments over virtually nothing (eg opinions without facts)
>"spam questions" that are easily answered
>uses obtuse Japanese fragments interspersed with English to attempt bypass people trying to filter the shitposts
>any mention of anime being shit, or "real Japanese"
>spells the word as romanji
It's pretty easy to tell at this point.

For newcomers, if in doubt, use the guide's advice as a fallback if you're genuinely not sure if it's "shitpost advice" or not.

If you're curious about how anki actually works, I suggest reading up on the "forgetting curve" and how "spaced repetition system"s aka SRS actually work in regards to your memory.

>>146449099
>Anki is a huge fucking meme. Holy shit.

But Anki is literally THE optimal method of memorizing things. It's based on science and shit.

I've been meaning to maybe pick up Violet Evergarden. Anyone have an idea for what the difficulty level on that is?

>>146449328
You just keep doing it and it gets easier with time. The more and the better you practice the faster you'll improve, just like anything else in life.

>>146449782
It has anime pictures on it, what the fuck do you think?

>>146444078
In the reading list from the guide, how are the following terms ordered in terms of difficulty:

Beginner, Easy, Basic

I'm guessing that's the order, but there's no key anywhere.

>>146449328
>grammar guides don't help
Assuming you are not >>146448489, because that post pretty much highlights a clear lack of understanding the use of で in a rather simple sentence, you can try to read the end of a sentence first. Just skip to the 。and then backtrack 1 particle at a time.

>>146449548

reading more is a fucking meme when I can't understand what I'm reading at all

>>146450341
Reading/listening more is the answer to everything, yes it's hard, but do you really expect learning a language to be easy? You read hard shit that you barely understand in order to improve and advance

>>146450341
You should probably start by reading manga aimed at 18+ year olds before you try your luck with all the grown up stuff mentioned in the guide.

>>146447348
I'm probably learning the wrong or uncommon readings for many words because I just take whatever Anki gives me. I've changed a couple readings because they finally showed up in voiced lines so I knew which reading they used.

>>146450515
>>146450797

> JUST READ MORE

ok let's give it another go then since you insist so much:

> まあそんな事言ってられるのも今のうちだがね

all I see in that sentence is "maa" "something like that" "itterareru" which I assume is say being conjugated somehow maybe into passive and done to the speaker "and" "ima no uchi daga" no fucking clue about that last one now my something explanatory

that was a nice exercise I will surely improve if I just keep going!

Two years since I've been interested and eight months since getting serious with this garbage language and this is all I can manage.

>>146449852
Nisio has anime pictures, too.

I picked up a VN with good music thinking I'd have a good time, but I've heard the same 2 minute loop for more than 30 minutes now. And it does not loop well.
kill me

>>146451095
しょうがない
When they say read more, they mean read more and look up and study the grammar you don't know.

言っている　→　言ってる　→　言ってられる

だが is ですけど, kinda.

I can't make out the meaning of the sentence but I'm gonna plead "no context".

>>146449717
Is it cheating to add those images?

>>146451307
Nothing shown after you answer could possibly be cheating.

>>146451095
Well if you don't understand a part and you can't figure it out through googling and shit then just skip it or write it down somewhere and come back to it when you've improved, or just stop reading it for today and read something easier, and then go back to it tomorrow and see if you can get it then when you're not as salty

Yes it's frustrating when you can't work shit out, but reading really is the most effective method, everyone has parts that they just can't figure out no matter what they do, you just have to try your best to work it out or skip it until you're better

>>146451095
That られる is the potential form of いる, not a passive.

You would be able to deduce things like that yourself if you had a better command of the grammar obtained by reading and actively listening to the language a lot, combined with lots of study. It takes effort and time, and I'm sorry about that, but it can't be helped.

Here:
> まあ
Well,
>そんな事言ってられるのも
Being able to say such a thing also
>今のうちだがね
Is only for the time being, you know.

>Well, you won't be able to say that for much longer, though.

Just keep trying.

>>146451289
Your first (sometimes second too) VN experience is always going to be painful and requiring a big amount of patience and dedication. Snailing through the common route of Flyable Heart made me want to kill myself, I got incredibly sick of the soundtrack and I dreaded even opening up the game. It got much better and easier by the end and I'm all the happier for following through with it.

tell me /djt/
what does sakai mean

>5分程過ぎてますもんね。。。
This is saying 5 minutes are passing (have passed) right?

>>146451587
Yes. For certain verbs the ～ている form and the past-tense are essentially the same because they're considered instantaneous.

>>146451805
That's what I thought. Many thanks anon.

>>146451493
Damn, いる is where I messed up. One day I'll remember て is a gerund.

>>146451493
How do you know that 今のうちだがね means "*only* for the time being"? Just because the verb was in potential form?

>>146451999
After 500 anime, I can just simply understand it man, not even kidding either.

>>146450341
>>146451095
This is why you read things that have a translation. So you can actually learn from your mistakes and things you don't understand.

Naturally you won't magically be able to read Japanese by staring at a bunch of sentences you don't understand.

>>146451999
今のうち is literally "the space of right now." He's saying that he's able to say such a thing within that space, which in my mind naturally excludes him from being able to say it outside that space, i.e. in the near future.

>>146452092
I can also recommend taking everything said here with a massive grain of salt. Anonymous is not a reliable source when it comes to anything, let alone learning Japanese.

>>146452067
>>146452147
Yeah fair enough, I can see how it would mean that through the context of the situation and everything, just the fact it doesn't explicitly say it threw me off

>>146451515
>>146451289
Sound effects are worse. The phone ringing in Flyable Heart was true suffering.

>>146452092
>Naturally you won't magically be able to read Japanese by staring at a bunch of sentences you don't understand.

You're the guy who hasn't even finished Yotsuba, right? It's very evident.

>>146452693
>j-japanese is special
>t-the proper way to learn other languages and skills doesn't apply here

>>146453086
How many languages do you speak?

>>146453123
0

>>146453123
Polish, German, Catalan, English, French, Russian and a bit of Dutch

>>146453123
2.

>>146453194
Well you certainly speak more languages than me then. But I learned English without the use of official translations as they didn't exist for my native language.

While it may not be the most efficient way of studying, exposing yourself to the language will bring you progress as long as you have an idea of what is going on. Reading more will work, though obviously you should consult the DOJG or google when you have issues with certain points of grammar.

>>146453316
That wasn't me, I speak 3. It doesn't really matter much though because the same holds for pretty much any skill. You won't learn math by doing exercises all on your own and never checking the solution manual either.

>efficient
Unless you're a worthless NEET with all the time in the world or plain enjoy wasting your time, efficiency is pretty fucking important.

>>146452092
>>146453411
I implore you to read a work translated into your native language and compare it to the original. Translations are riddled with mistakes even when languages are closely related and it's sickening. The general gist is still conveyed properly, but the details get lost in translation.

Comparing what you're reading to a translated work is not the same as checking a solution manual for math. I won't say that checking a solution for the proper method is bad, but you could achieve the same result by proper study of a method's description. Though in that case you might end up misunderstanding something or doubting yourself. Making mistakes while reading is fine, and to be expected. You just have to realize what mistakes you made when things don't make sense later on in the story.

>>146453609
I think the best effect from checking a translation is the reinforcement you get if you find that your interpretation is in the right ballpark. It's kind of like going back to something you could not do at all only to find it incredibly easy, that sense of achievement and positive reinforcement is good for learning I think.

The only thing to keep in mind is a healthy sense of not coddling yourself with too much.

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Reminder to stay hydrated for max studying performance! Even mild dehydration can make you feel tired, sluggish, and moody. Believe it or not, this can happen with as little as a loss of 1.5 percent of your body’s water weight. So keep a glass of water nearby throughout the day and sip on it regularly.

>>146453757
You can do that after you looked up all the words you don't know in a dictionary, read up on grammar patterns you don't understand and more or less understood how the Japanese sentence works.

>>146453123
69

>>146453886
Of course. And usually the translation shows the general meaning clearer so if you do not understand a grammar construct you can then look at it from a different viewpoint and hopefully you realize your mistake.

>>146453883
I'll sip on you regularly

When medical nanotechnology reaches the level of being able to give anyone improved ability in retaining and learning languages in a fraction of the time, how will you feel?

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>>146453883
Hydration truly is key. And everyone knows that the best way to stay hydrated is by drinking Gatorade®. I always keep at least one fresh bottle of Gatorade® by my computer, and another Gatorade® in the fridge. When I need that brain power boost I simply pour a fresh and tasty glass of Gatorade® and chug it down! I finish my reps with minimum effort! It IS in me!

Is it in you?

>>146454076
I'll put something in you

>>146454053
I think that kind of fantasy would instantly make basically any skill completely useless, and society would crumble, so it's not really worth thinking about.

>>146454053
I probably won't feel a thing unless they invent a way for me to become immortal within the next 50 years.

>>146454147
Current society needs to crumble it's fucking terrible

>>146454076
everyone knows you water down gatorade 4:1 and even then only drink it if youre actually exercising and need electrolyte replenishment

my fave part about gatorade personally though is the bottles because the top is very wide so i can just barely fit my dick inside to piss

>>146454147
>>146454155
I feel like as soon as nanotechnology reaches even competent levels it and computer technology are just going to run away and society just 50 years past will look unrecognizable.

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>>146454076
>using wani-ade

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Embedded marketing is real, you guys.

未来は怖い

>>146454336
You're alive for the greatest revolution in history though, anon.

私は今うんこしてる

>>146454835
おめでとう

Does ぞわわっ mean something like "shuddering"?

One character was saying it after 2 other characters got a joking gay vibe going. Context and the first few hits on google seem to confirm it being "shuddering" but I can't make a connection to any word on jisho. Is is simply a feminine cutoff version of ぞっと?

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はちがつがおわるよ

あきのむしのこえが

すずやかになってきたよ

おはようおにいちゃん

>>146455839
http://thejadednetwork.com/sfx/browse/zowa/

>>146456027
"shudder in disgust" it is then. To bad that the site doesn't hint at its origin either.
ありがとう！

>>146456298
ぞ sounds chilly apparently
ぞっと
ぞくぞく

Is this the most cliché porn sentence in Japanese? I feel like I've read this exact thing a hundred times.

快感に流されて絶頂を迎えると、反り返る身体がピクピクと痙攣する

Is the Kodansha Kanji Learner's course any good?

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>>146456554
ぞくぞくは、明るい意味でもつかうよ

ぞっとは、暗い意味ばっかりだよ

>>146456820
じゃさあ、ぞわわっはどうだ。いもうと先生ならどんな時に使うかな。

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Is your kanji good enough that you can figure out Chinese?

>>146457036
I recognise that one in the second frame

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>>146457023
きらいな虫がでたときだけ

ぞわわっとするよ

>>146457036
口阿！！

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>>146457185
そっか！なっとくしました！

I love you guys tbqh

Who is imouto anywya? I saw you guys saying you missed him and was just curious.

>>146457830
Gaaaaay

>>146457830
ぞわわっ

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Could someone explain to me the meaning of (棒)? Like that.

Was reading a manga and basically someone was saying some lie to another and at the end of the sentence there was (棒). Is it to show the person was lying?

When I googled (棒) or かっこ棒 I only found people talking about 棒読み which means reading in a monotone way. I'm not sure I see the link here, unless perhaps it's there to notify the character who's lying or saying something uncomfortable is speaking in a non-natural, aka monotonous way?

Well I'll add the pic just in case. (cont)

>>146458853
when you lie your nose becomes as long as a pole, have you never seen pinocchio

>>146458853
Makes sense that it would be 棒読み considering it says シタヨ in kata as well, I'd read it as implying like sarcasm, lying, lack of sincerity etc

>>146458853
http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/145458024/#145467558

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(cont)
Since I finished the first volume I'll also add another thing I didn't get :

Pic related, the 罪なき命, I don't get it. I get the general idea it's trying to convey but I don't feel like really understanding it. Armstrong砲　refers to her dick by the way.

>>146459132
That's true.

>>146459246
Alright, thanks.

>>146458853
Isn't this just hinting at his 棒?
Like, he was worried about his 棒 problem?

>>146459132
>>146459096
That sounds plausible. Checking Twitter (棒) seems to be used like "jk" in English.

>>146459246
What kanji is that

>>146459255
>罪なき命
罪 sin
なき -less
罪なき sinless
命 life

A life without sin.

>>146459393
No I doubt it, even google asked me if I was referring to some 2ch slang and I remember seeing it used in the past as well.

>>146459432
Ohh, I see, thanks anon.

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I did my reps today.
I don't feel like doing anything else besides just having Japanese lets plays in the background while I funpost in other places.

My goal is make Japanese learning easier for JRPG or other gamers. I am compiling a list of links to scripts.

Does anybody know anything about actually extracting the script or anything like that from the source game itself?

Unrelated but to anybody who has played Final Fantasy 9 I recommend checking this out.

http://lunar.littlestar.jp/stardust/english/FF9/FFIX-script-disc1.html

They completely disregard everything and the Japanese guy who runs this gives his input on how silly the English translation is.

I highly recommend it one of my favorite scripts im reading.

Don't have any FF9 pictures so heres 8.

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>>146459590
I saved it yesterday when you posted it and I'm thankful for it. FF9 has been my favorite game since forever and it'll really come in handy when I decide to do my yearly or so playthrough (which will be in Japanese this time).

>>146459821
I never actually went through most of the links I have compiled but I am really into that script just because of the guy explaining everything and giving his input. Definitely my favorite.

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Is learning how to write kanji useless these days? Are should I learn because it looks impressive and would help my retention?

>>146459255 (me again)
Last dumb question for the road : what meaning is the また trying to convey here?

"and", "also"? I don't see it being "again" since I doubt the girlguy committed a crime or anything in the past. Is it there to add some kind of emphasis to the unfortunate events that's happened to him these past few pages? aka his dick growing back.

>>146459964
Some people will tell you it's useless and others will tell you that it definitely helped in learning Japanese.

I'm on the "writing is definitely something you should learn" side but you should simply try it yourself and form your own opinion.

To learn how to write RTK is definitely the best and fastest way to go about it because of how it's constructed, don't even think of learning how to write using shitty methods like Genki or trying to learn how to write each individual Kanji on the go as you see them or something.

>>146460017
The また is implying his Armstrong cannon has ruined an innocent life before

>>146460210
Like I said there's none of this in this manga, shehe was a virgin and had never ever seen a girl naked before.

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I am two years in and I still feel overwhelmed that I am doing stuff wrong even though I make progress.
I am learning everyday but fuck man maybe its because of the excessive caffeine but I always feel like I do something wrong.

I still fight through and keep reading writing and learning and loving. Were al going to make it.

>>146459964
Using more senses is ALWAYS a positive in terms of learning. There is also a mentality especially with /djt/ and 4chan in general of being anti stuff but if you deny yourself a skill of any sort than you're just being dumb just to be cool on the internet.

>>146460017
Why wouldn't it be "again"?
Like he's abandoning his sinless(as a little girl fairy) life again.

>>146460291
Fapping and having lewd thoughts are a sin too, you know.

>>146460411
Now that I think about it he might be talking about himself, that'd make sense indeed. Cheers.

>>146460297
I haven't felt that way in a long time, on the other hand although I'm now at a "decent level" I still feel like there are too many things I don't know yet and it's kind of scary and overwhelming.

But as they say "someone who's really giving his all into something will never feel content about their own level", kind of the same in art, no matter how much you improve you'll always feel like you're never good enough, so I suppose we're doing something right.

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>>146460194
What is your opinion of this book? I purchased on recommendation from DJT spoiler text stating it was better than RTK.

>>146459964
>because it looks impressive

It's unlikely you'll get a chance to demonstrate it outside Japan, and even on the off chance your aunt asks to write one of those korean hieroglyphics it probably won't be worth the hundreds of hours it took to prepare.

Writing to improve your retention or just for fun is reasonable though.

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>>146460666
>a kanji book with 2300 characters and a step by step by step on the proper guide on how to write them.

You'll be fine anon it's fine.

>>146460656
Yeah I mean I am getting better but fuck man theres still SO much to learn. I have gotten wiser from the journey in general and growing and spreading it out more helping out the community in general and giving back. But man this is tough. Especially double negatives. Fuck double negatives.

http://bunpou.neocities.org/%E4%B8%AD%E7%B4%9A%E7%B7%A8intermediate.html#%E3%8A%A5%20%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84%E3%81%93%E3%81%A8%E3%82%82/%20%E3%81%AF%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84

>>146460731
>Writing to improve your retention or just for fun is reasonable though.
Writing will indeed improve your retention, though if it's because you're spending more time looking at the kanji or because you're actually writing it, I have no idea.

>>146460731
I meant that in the context of dating a moon girl.

>>146460666
I haven't tried it because by the time it got out I had already learned 3000 Kanji through RTK1+3.

My opinion is that from the information I gathered it's a great book which teaches you Kanji in the right direction. RTK is great but you NEED to put work into it and on the SIDE - which means looking up Kanji as you go for extra info + looking up Koohi as you go for more stories and info. It can be a lot of work for lazy people who need to be spoonfed.

The book you link is solid and has everything in there you make you successful it seems, so go for it, you even bought it anyway.
I know there's a deck that's been made for it recently, so check ankiweb maybe.

I'm having a bit of a problem. I'm trying to post on 2ch and when I get to the screen that says something like post submitted wait a bit for the window to close, my post never shows up.
Is there something wrong with my browser?

>>146460731
>When that shy Japanese intern introduces herself in her broken English and you flawlessly write her name on a whiteboard
>"えっちしようせ、アノン先輩！”

>>146460804
I'm with you anon, double negatives and long-ass hiragana grammar patterns throw me off, I hate it and still haven't fully gotten used to them.

>>146460297
>There is also a mentality especially with /djt/ and 4chan in general of being anti stuff but if you deny yourself a skill of any sort than you're just being dumb just to be cool on the internet.
This is true but it's also dumb to learn things just because some people on the internet tell you you need to know it if you want to be a "real" japanese learner.

Learn it if you need to, or if you are aware of the benefits and drawbacks and decide you want to anyway. Don't learn it because someone in DJT made fun of you for being illiterate or told you it was impossible to read handwriting if you don't know how to write kanji.

>>146460918
Yeah, you might put the kanji down for a name that sounds like hers, but isn't hers. Though I guess it'd be adorable if someone spelled your name Fredric when it's Fredrik or Ladasha when it's La-a

>>146460956
>long ass hiragana grammar patterns.

Definitely the hardest part imo...

>>146460996
Once you get a year in or so you naturally avoid the banter and become more confident on what works for you.

>>146460915
Howaito piggu can't post on glorious nipponese imageboard.

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>>146460804
>http://bunpou.neocities.org/[...]
Wait, DOJG is all available to read on browser now? It wasn't back when I would browse DJT regularly.

There's everything? All three volumes?

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>>146461234
Theres a ton of great stuff in the OP now.

I just recently checked it out after two years. Whoever made it and runs it does a great job tbqh.

I remember there being a ton of shitposting about CORkun or something back in early 2015.

How do you count in Japanese generally? As if you were counting seconds, or amount of times you did a push up?
I've been doing:
>いち　に　さん　し　ご　ろく　なな　はち　きゅう　じゅう
then changing to じゅうよん for 14, then にじゅうよん for 24, etc.

However, I watched a video of a Japanese person counting like:
>いち　に　さん　し　ご　ろく　しち　はち　きゅう　じゅう
and sticking with し for じゅうし　にじゅうし

I've been doing my method for over 2 years now, is it wrong enough to change how I count?

>>146461045
>Ladasha when it's La-a
/pol/ is that you?

>>146461323
>CORkun
brings back memories...
Maybe I should give the OP another chance.

>>146461416
Nah, よん flows way better than し, fuck that shit.

>>146461323
There is http://core6000.neocities.org/dojg/ too. I prefer this one but they are pretty much the same.

Today I did Anki for 36 minutes and then I read a visual novel for 3 hours and 27 minutes.

>>146461485
Ahh
Honestly they are both better than using the pdf version tbqh. It is easier to guide through.

>>146461416
し - なな sounds weird. Personally, I use し - しち for the first 10 numbers and then switch to よん - なな.

>>146461416
I always use よん and なな, I was under the impression that those were both the more common readings, and they're always used after you count past 10 so might as well use them before 10 too

Using し and なな together seems weird considering し is an onyomi and なな is a kunyomi

>>146461726
>considering し is an onyomi and なな is a kunyomi
This. You should just pick either し・しち or よん・/なな and then be consistent.

>>146461509
That's a good proportion, you can rest proud. You could always read more though.

>>146461509
That's mah boy

>>146461941
Just use よん Because of ma superstition. し＝新 and all that.

>>146461416
Using ひ, ふ, み, etc.. is not uncommon either, though I'm not quite sure what leads them to pick one system over the other.

>>146462292
I imagine ひふみ to be more counting objects, since it of course comes from 一つ２つetc

While いち　に　さん is how you would count if you are counting "times" that something is performed

>>146461062
>>long ass hiragana grammar patterns.
>Definitely the hardest part imo...
How are you listening on a scale from well to helpless?

Not that anon btw.

>>146459964
There's no denying that writing them down does help with retention.
But the question you ought to ask yourself is whether it's worth spending hundreds of hours writing them down or not.

>>146462569
Hundreds of hours well spent or hundreds of hours jacking off and browsing /a/?

>>146462682
You're assuming that those are the only ways to spend those hundreds of hours.

He might as well spend those hours reading stuff in japanese, etc.

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>>146462682

I'm not sure I understand the difference between 中学 and 中学校. Is 中学校 literally the building and 中学 is the general term for a junior high school?

>>146462465
Shit...I can hear things and I am getting better but still nothing to write home about.
I don't watch anime as much as others though so my listening is bad.

>>146462776
They're pretty much synonyms as far as I know. The building would simply be called 学校.

You could have just checked a dictionary though. Whenever rikai fails to be clear enough, the J-J dictionary is your best friend.

>ちゅう‐がく【中学】
>「中学校」の略。

>>146462817
I think if you managed to overcome the listening barrier those long string kana should become a piece of cake (along with a bunch of other stuff, really). Not that learning to listen is any easier, but at least it's something to hold on to.

>>146463070
Definietely.

I am breaking through mental barriers saying I can do everything. It just takes time for your brain to make the connections.

>>146463122
>Something that's always puzzled you in Jap finally makes sense
>Start seeing nothing but exceptions everywhere
Fuck the Japanese

>>146463122
>It just takes time for your brain to make the connections.
Yeah, that's the part that sucks. There's pretty much no other way around it other than watching yourself struggle with the language day after day. Just make sure you don't stay in comfort zones and neglect the challenges you need. Personally, I think listening is a crucial part of getting acquainted with the language. You can theoretically learn to read Japanese without understanding a single word of spoken Japanese, but the spoken language gives it a whole other dimension.

>>146451307
If cheating is something that makes it easier to "win", then by all means, cheat as much as you possibly can. Language acquisition isn't a race wherein you can be disqualified.

>>146460666
>What is your opinion of this book?
The best one is the one you use. Flip a coin; in a few months it won't matter.

JLPT registration opened today. What level should I register for? I think I could pass 4, but might want to try reaching for 3, which is what the J-Cat recommended.

http://www.geocities.jp/hoppygeo/DQ3/DQ3message.html

Are the random Os in this script supposed to be there or what is it?
I never saw it in the actual game.

>>146461234
The note images are being converted to text, as well. You can see around 50 or so entries on the basic page which are complete, as in the entire entry in full text with no images.
Here is the second entry for "が", for example"
http://bunpou.neocities.org/%E5%9F%BA%E6%9C%ACbasic.html#%E3%8A%A6%20%E3%81%8C%20%282%29
You should be able to notice that the related concepts both at the top of the entry and within the notes themselves have been directly linked where applicable within the volume, for instantaneous navigation.

>>146464024
>less than N2
who gives a shit really
no point in taking it at all

inb4 some smartass complains that I greentexted >less than N2 instead of >less than N1

>>146464024
Give N3 a go.
Worst case scenario, you don't pass and you get to understand some of your weak areas to work on.

>>146464024
you gain nothing by undershooting your level unless you need N2 for a specific reason and aren't 100% sure you'll pass N1

no one cares that you have N4

>>146464408
>no one cares
What makes you think anon is taking the test for others?

>>146464238
That smartass wouldn't be wrong.

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>>146464644

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>そうやって他人を認めて自分と共有できる
>By accepting another person like that, they can share (something) with them…?

What would that 自分と共有できる actually be referring to?

>>146464640
ur so right, just do it 4 urself & don't let anyone tell u otherwise <3

You could literally start studying Japanese today and pass N3 if you targeted the test

>>146464827
オマ〇コ

>>146465066
I know you think you're being clever but the fact remains that the only person who can help you improve your language acquisition is yourself.

>>146465123
The extreme majority would not be able to pass it.
Anons here seem to really have no idea just what these exams assess.

>>146465238
マジ？

This is a very stupid question, however I have just started out and I'm in the process of learning kanji/ looking at grammar guides. Does it help in memorizing kanji to write the words out? I've tried writing kanji out but i kind of suck at it. I'm going through these flashcards but I feel like I'm not really retaining much desu

>>146465450
Learn the radicals if you haven't.

Are there any good sentence decks with audio? I can't find anything I want to read, but I always enjoy a good example sentence.

Hello, everybody! My birthday is にゃんにゃんにゃん!

>>146460666
It's the best one you could use, but you don't have to use it. You can stop kanji study any time you like and go full grammar and vocab, just don't switch to an inferior kanji study method in lieu of actually learning japanese.

>>146465783
Just take Core10k and put the sentence audio on the front and the transcription/translation on the back

>>146465783
the whole gimmick of nayr's core 5k is that it has sentence voicing

i really don't recommend "sentence decks" unless you're using them to reinforce grammar exclusively.

>>146466208
>nayr's core 5k
That's the one I was looking for, thanks.

>unless you're using them to reinforce grammar exclusively
I do it for fun, and to keep Japanese in my brain. I just can't find anything I like enough to read regularly.

>>146465450
I used a radicals deck and memorized how to write them, and then started core 2k so could better understand how they're constructed and I could write them if I wanted to, in a close enough stroke order. You don't have to do it that way, but some people find it easier if they know the radicals. You can write the kanji to help yourself remember, if you want, but it'll take longer to go through anki each day. Assuming you're using the core 2k deck, I don't think it's really meant for learning how to write the kanji because that would be a reverse process. It's just for recognition. If you can recognize a word and know what it sounds like, you can search for it and see what it looks like, or use the kanji suggestions while typing.

>>146464827
Maybe it's like a metaphorical 'share your whole self'? Fuck if I know that shits 2deep4me

>>146444078
>>>/qa/648520

First time posting here, anyone here really good at listening japanese words? i'm watching this video and this girl says literally 2 words that i don't understand at all. Can someone help?

>>146466774
watch more anime

i'm not kidding

>>146464827
her girl parts

When learning English you should learn the radicals first as it makes learning the alphabet easier.
一　｜　/　\　◯

>>146466875
WHAT ABOUT S?

>>146466803
>>146465238
You don't think it's a bit DEEPer than that?

>>146466774
Practice, practice, practice. The more you listen, the easier it becomes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhkPE6rRlaw

Or did you mean a specific video with two words? You didn't link anything.

>>146466925
I forgot to mention the C radical.
so S is formed with two Cs, one of which is reversed.
similarly B is a ｜ and two reversed Cs.

>>146467063
Yes, it's a specific video, i don't post it here because it's porn, i'm just asking if someone here is good at that and if i can get help.

>>146466975
shes a fuckin ど変態 dude nothing more nothing less

>>146467095
You also forgot the dot on i/j and the curved domes on m/n/h

>>146466875
I followed your advice and it cured my ESL

>>146467178
The curved domes are just Cs rotated 90 degrees.
But yeah the dot ・ is another radical I forgot.

>>146467260

You don't get to rotate radicals.

Also you forgot the diaresis on coöperation too, that's native English.

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我は呪われし身なり
息ある限りこの痛みから開放されるなど望むべくもあらず
永久に続く苦痛の連鎖に閉じ込められている

I can't read without furigana

>>146467676
Read VNs

>>146467759
I dont even like VNs in English. Too boring.

>>146467340
Ok, the 4 rotations of C are now all separate radicals.

Diaresis isn't native English though. It gets used in English texts, in the same way α gets used in Japanese texts - as a loaned character from other languages.

what the hell do the japanese mean when they call someone a "厚切り"

平仮名
かたかな
カンジ

>>146467965
>The grave accent and the diaeresis are the only diacritics native to Modern English (apart from diacritics used in loanwords, such as the acute accent, the cedilla, or the tilde). The use of both, however, is considered to be largely archaic
Git gud

>>146468285
Hard-boiled, like how that faggot Jason pretends to be.

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>>146468381

> Hard-boiled, like how that faggot Jason pretends to be.

Oh fuck. You saw this too?

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>>146468360

Okay, so translating 図鑑 has always bugged me. "Illustrated encyclopedia" doesn't roll off the tongue as well as "Zukan". But then it just kinda hit me. How about "Index"?

>>146468438
Wow the faggot has a book now?

>>146468438
Do you have a scan?

>>146468473
Really makes you think, doesn't it? Thoughts like WHY JAPANESE PEOPLE??

>>146468460
Field guide

>>146468381
>>146468438
>>146468473
>being mad at someone cashing in doing what DJT does on a daily basis

>>146468637
>DJT does on a daily basis
Being eternal beginners?

>>146468637
Whats he do exactly?

>>146468736
DJT stuff

>>146468620
Field guide sounds a little too outdoorsy to me. An index is more like a way of keeping track of things and their information. I felt like I had an epiphany when I realized that Pokédex was short for Pokémon Index, which is what I assume the translation for ポケモン図鑑 is.

You know, I actually watched his recent performance, which was the same fucking act, and his accent was worse in it.

Dude mastered the act, and is cashing in to the max, good for him. I would've done the same thing in his situation.

>>146468736
flamboyantly shits on japanese culture

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>>146468736
hes a white american

>>146469052
I'm a non white american

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So, I went to the fridge. Got some vegetables, was thinking of making a stew. Well, you of course need some meat, or what normal person would eat it? I cut it all and realized that I forgot the potatoes, fucking slowpoke. I open the fridge, take the potatoes, and realize that there's curry sauce mix in front of me. Never actually ate curry before, and now felt like it, and, I'm thinking, since I want it, why not eat some. While I was boiling the vegetables and sauce, making some rice, all how it's supposed to me, ate and zenbu ga 回っている、なんだそれ、クソ、何か分かりません。いきなり安倍さんが見える、外国人と人口を教えている、クソアホ。今日本語以外、全然知らない。多分カレーライスは罰当たりでした。

>>146469675
curry isn't japanese

>learn stuff
>interval becomes long
>feel like I won't remember things
>remember them anyway
Is there a name for this feeling?

>>146469807
出来る

>>146469729
Fun fact, when the Japanese were introduced to curry by the British they assumed it was British food. Little did they know how wrong they were.

>>146469807
覚える

>>146469920
All food is American food

>>146469965
all food is world food :3

>>146469987
nah, fuck off, commie

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I registered for N2 today. I'll pass it for sure this time.

>>146470717
Thanks for the valuable info.

Today I registered for N4.
I hope I can pass it unlike the last 5 times

>>146470791
You're welcome. I hope people planning on taking it don't forget to register.

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>>146470903
You can do it anon. Don't let your dreams be dreams.

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全然分かりません

>>146470903
できない

>want to type 中
>type ちゅう instead of なか in the IME
who /mischief/ here?

>>146470717
>>146470903
頑張って

Why do you jokers care so much about this JLPT? I'm just learning Japanese for myself so I really don't know anything about it. I just don't see the point in trying to pass this N4 test when in like 3-6 months you should probably be already progressing to the next level, no?

Unrelated: わたしの只 貝です.

>>146459964
I hope not.

t. spending the next month drilling 50 characters a day through writing + anki

>>146471296
Why do you care that people care? N2 and above helps get you a job over there so it's not completely useless.

>わたしの只 貝です.
You what mate

>>146459964
>expecting the fags in these threads to know the correct answer
Come on, you're better than this.

>>146471296
Because you will eventually have to learn all the jlpt material if you want to reach "the next level."

>>146471519
How did I not see this earlier. I guess I should get some JLPT materials now even though I'm already basically at native level.

>>146459964
It helps but is not necessary. You can get the same effect by imagining how to write the character.

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>>146471538
>even though I'm already basically at native level.

>>146471598
Did you conduct actual studies on this or are you just speaking out of your ass?

>>146471406
Well I'm just a bit confused, didn't mean jokers in an offensive manner. But if N2 and above is all that counts I don't really understand why people would try for N3 and below.

>>146471538
I guarantee there is not a native adult who can't score perfect on N1. Most kids probably can too.

>>146471625
Yeah, ｄｊｔちゃん, people like that really exist in this world. I know that's pretty hard to believe.
>>146471683
But the post I was replying to suggests otherwise. JLPT materials are a must for learning Japanese.

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>>146471683
They probably wouldn't score perfect, but for a dumb reason, like not understanding the testing format immediately, not for lack of being able to use the language.

Pic sort of related, things can be misleading pretty easily.

>>146471787
I'm glad I saw the filename before reading the whole post.

>>146471755
Yeah people like that exist. You're not one of them though.

>>146471881
What makes you say so? Do you have any extra intel I'm not aware of divulging?

>>146471952
You're not convincing anyone.

>>146472094
It's great that I'm not even trying, djtちゃん.

>>146471787
>, like not understanding the testing format immediately
More likely just because it's hard ton not fuck up a small thing on a full test somewhere, even if it's just accidentally filling in the wrong bubble even though you knew the answer.

Also, on the N1 some of the questions can be tricky, so I think natives could easily mess a couple up. Like, probably similar difficulty to high school standardized tests where you'll understand the passage but people don't get perfect because they are filled with dumb questions like "what is the best title for this passage? a) i love cock b) i realy love cock c) cock is great d) the greatest cock"

>>146471654
Just having specific goals helps people feel motivated even if achieving those goals won't bring any special benefit to them by itself.

>>146471683
>I guarantee there is not a native adult who can't score perfect on N1
Nah, I bet Japan is full of people stupid enough to make a bunch of mistakes, not to mention people who can't read a higher level text and interpret it to answer a question.

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>>146472426
the answer is always d)

>>146471787
にんんげじゃおかしいよね
まちがってるよね

>>146471683
N1 must be really easy then.

>>146472667
I'd even say there's a lot of those stupid people. They are mere japs after all.

>>146471106
>want to type ま〇こ
>type　まんこ instead

>>146472685
Why is this liberal holding a gun?

>>146472895
GOT'EM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4_ZWXRhhPA
This is a fun way to drill place names.

Got all my reps done early. Now I'm ready for Legion. I need to squeeze in some reading before it launches.

>>146473198
Pure autism. But you're right, it's good for drilling names.

>>146473198
id rather watch the 天気予報 on nhk sbs

>>146473198
I wish I could do that イバールルルァキィー

>>146473595
Same, rolling Rs are impossible for me.

>>146473595
>>146473750
Just make machine gun noises with your tongue

>>146473750
Are you defective?

>>146474319
Yes, please take me back and get new one.

If I'm already using RTK for kanji and Japanese Core 2000 for vocab and sentences, what should I use for grammar? I'm leaning towards “A Guide to Japanese Grammar” by Tae Kim, which appears to be the most comprehensive, but I've also heard good things about the Genki books.

>>146474536
Tae Kim + DOJG works just fine. Use genki if you're slow or just want to do some review exercises.

>>146473198
Holy shit, I saw that animation in some random flash portal like 6 years ago, and I've tried looking for it since but couldn't find it. Thanks.

Have any of you done RTK after already having reached the "intermediate" stage (by that I don't mean intermediate-level Japanese, but finishing Core2k and Tae Kim, starting a mining deck, reading easy manga/VNs, etc)? Recently I've become interested in learning to write, but I don't know if RTK would be worthwhile at this point.

>>146474360
I would consider that if you didn't have the esl defect as well.

>>146474824
Yes to all of your questions

With ほうがいいです and such, is ほう written in kana or as 方?　The IME usually leaves it in kana, is that how it is supposed to be?

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>autism

>>146475612
A-are you ok?

>>146475612
How many cards?

>>146475714
~1200
Not all pure vocab of course. Most of it was spent previewing new cards.

>>146475844
What the hell are you doing to get those numbers? Did you quit for a while or what?

I'm curious, is あそこは快適だ思います grammatically accurate?

>>146476144
What are you trying to say here? "I think that place is pleasant"?

>>146476241
More or less. Trying to talk about Osaka during the summer.

>>146476144
no

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Spoonfeed me a script that grabs VNR text to Anki automatically please. So I actually have a reason to do my reps.

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むじんはんばいで

おなすかってきたよ

米茄子みっつで百円だった

ＮＮＢてきいもうとせいかつ

おにいちゃん

なすのおりょうり

なにたべたい？

>>146476144
>>146476274
あそこには快適だと思います

>>146476334
Letting you be even more lazy isn't going to reason you into doing anything. Fuck off and try disciplining yourself for once.

>>146476384
三九！

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>>146476426
ha……はい.

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I've finally started learning hiragana

I'm on the ride, based on reading this thread it never ends.

乾杯!

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太陽はイギリスに沈まない！！！

>>146476775
I wouldn't trust the fags in these threads outside of the most basic questions. And even then they have a tendency to fuck up spectacularly.

私が来ました

I never actually went through most of the links I have compiled
>but I am really into that script just because of the guy explaining everything and giving his input.

really into that script
このintoはどういう意味ですか？

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>>146476848
Yeah, but the resources are free and shitposting seems like a decent way to supplement learning a language, just because of the constant exposure.

I just want to be able to talk shit about cars at Ebisu and Daikoku Futo when I visit my car pals in Japan and maybe live abroad in a few years for work

That and I have mega-boner for the ミッド ナイト クラブ

>>146476911
Read more

>>146476911
気に入れたって事だよ

"to be into [something]"

>>146476911
彼はあの脚本が本当に面白いと言った

>>146476990
The resources are kinda good, but you don't really need to visit the thread to use them. This thread is shit anyway since there is already a dedicated shitposting thread on int.
The thread will probably do you more harm than good by instilling various retarded beliefs the fags here hold into you.

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>>146477163
>instilling various retarded beliefs the fags here hold into you.

like radicals?

>>146477163
>on int

I don't want to show my retarded flag and I'm too lazy to go behind a vpn/proxy.

>>146477139
>>146477143
"to be into [something]" 覚えましたありがとう！

>>146477097
ざんねんでした　私には最強のアノン君が居ますｗ

>>146477227
Nope, other religious beliefs which you should be well aware of if you aren't one of the indoctrinated ones.
>>146477250
Nobody gives a shit about flags outside of basic banter anyway. In my experience at least. Also you can always pretend you're not from your flag country if you feel so inclined to.

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>>146477250
見っともない。

>>146477330
I do give a shit about my own though. Fuck this country.

>>146477378
Yeah, I feel you. Nobody else would probably care though.

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>>146476821
いぎりすって

アヘンと銀の貿易で

アジアの国をひとつ破壊した国だよね

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>>146477463
How does it feel to live in an American protectorate, 日本猿?

>>146460918
Fuck, I'm such a loser I like reading shit like this.

ウェーイ！

>>146477882
>0.05￥ has been deposited in your paypal account

>>146477882
>does /djt/ not like it?
Why are you concerned with that? Why not just ask if it's shit or not?

>>146477882
Remember kids, blatant advertising is a GLOBAL rule violation. Report the post, perhaps some day we will receive a thread mod/janitor if we make enough racket.

>>146477920
I don't even use it, I'm too neet for that shit.

>>146477935
Yeah should have phrased that, "why dosn't /djt/ like it.

>>146477984
k

>>146477984
We know how that usually works kek

>>146478007
The best way of phrasing it would be something along the lines of "Is it shit? If so, then why"
DJT liking something isn't a benchmark of its quality.

>>146478084
Is it shit then? Not that I even have the money to try it. I'm just curious.

Sorry for my roundabout way of asking.

>>146478084
They should have a big banner on their site saying "/djt/ thinks we're shit", "12/10 should have done my reps instead -/djt/" or something.

>>146476369
それナスはもりもりそれともがつがつって感じかな

>>146478155
I would say it is shit. I'm a pretty intelligent person so you could just take my words on faith or do your own research. It's up to you, the information is out there.

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ブリタニアは海を司る!!!

>>146478285
Britannia administers the waves? That doesn't make much sense, my ESL friend.