Why does Illya get the short stick in every single Fate route?
She never got her route made.
She was implied to die in the Fate route.
She literally gets eye gouged, crawls around desperately looking for her partner, and gets crushed by Gil in the UBW route.
She sacrifices herself in HF.
Even in the alternate universe based around her, she can never be with the one man she really loved, because the age difference is an actual thing there, instead of just the meme it is in the Fate games.
Illyasviel Von Einzbern is truly a character with no good endings, and that makes me sad, considering how much I like her as a character and person.
Her actions all make sense and become infinitely more tragic when you see that Shirou was, according to her grandfather for her entire life, the reason that her parents are gone. Shirou is the big bad to her, and only when she meets shirou, and starts to love him, she can accept her life, and dies for him.
Illya deserves a route. I want to see her happy for once, I don't care if it has no H-scene, or if it's the shortest route, but I just want a happy ending for her character. I want to see her survive and finally fulfill her dream. I don't care about no caster, no rider route, but Illyasviel really does deserve one.
>literally as german/aryan as possible
>absolutely top tier magician
>subhuman simply because she's a vessel for grail
how does it feel having such shitty standards for what is "sub human"
at least we masturbate to illya, she should be happy with that
I dont. She is best girl and overall #1 waifu. Never once have fapped to her.
Prisma Illya seems to be going into the yuri scene more. It's her as a main character. I meant a fate/stay night route, like Fate, Unlimited Blade Works, or Heavens Feel.
I was considering making that the threads op. But the cut out eyes, while bringing tears to my own, and hers, felt more justified.
True. He still hasnt finished tsukihime 2.0 after long years.
What about Lancer? He should be destroying everyone with his super speed and one-hit weapon but the plot won't let him.
Not psychopathic, anon.
She was told her entire life, that shirou ruined her own life, basically.
Shirou, in her mind, took away her mom and dad, and left her all alone.
Since she's quite literally never become close to anyone after that, once she starts to like shirou, she gets ptsd that he'll leave her, and goes full yandere.
Thats if she grows to like shirou, if she doesn't, she does go psycho path loli. Because then 'her grandfather was right, and shirou must die'
I'm pretty happy with prisma as her route. Miyu is much better for her than Shirou anyway.
Lancer deserved better in every route
And wouldn't she want that? Instead of being cast aside and abandoned, she got a normal life without fear, loathing and doubt?
F/SN Illya would probably hate her Prisma counterpart, because she would remind her that she didn't have to suffer. That her fate wasn't preordained, and yet it happened anyway, and her life was stolen from her.
Is it best that Luvia does not get a route and is instead just a high-tier supporting char?
Her route would be her winning the
>She's literal shit on every media except prisma
You got that the other way around. What makes Illya a compelling character is her personality. Prisma yanked that out totally and instead made her a generic shoujo protag with a Nii-chan fetish.
Yeah she is definitely quite a bit different as she haven't gone through all the things the original Illya did.
She's a lot closer to the Illya we see shortly at the start of fate/zero. Which I guess makes sense as she's much closer to the age of Prisma illya there than in fate/stay night and she also hasn't gone through all the hardships yet.
>She's a lot closer to the Illya we see shortly at the start of fate/zero. Which I guess makes sense as she's much closer to the age of Prisma illya there than in fate/stay night and she also hasn't gone through all the hardships yet.
She's that Illya without all the heartbreak and brainwashing.
F/SN Illya is a broken bird. Her Prisma counterpart was spared that heartbreak.
We know F/SN illya would hate her counterpart, as F/SN illya is literally kuro.
I know its the better fate for her, but I cant help but love both.
I agree, prisma makes her a normie.
She's sn if she had her perfect world, but illya is only illya because she got screwed over.
>What makes Illya a compelling character is her personality
How is a sociopathic little bitch a compelling character? Granted, it's not like she's a great character in Prisma, but its writer is better than Nasu. Every Nasu character is extremely shallow.
You know what I'd like to see? If Prisma ever got away from the Miyuverse and continued, a version where Prisma Illya got sucked through to the F/SN world, and had to go up against her F/SN self. She's have to confront the idea that her happy ending wasn't always in the cards, that she could have ended up very different and maybe she'd even try to redeem her counterpart.
>Has the potential to be the best character in the entire series due to her heaps of backstory
>Ends up being known as the most popular example of Yuri
I never seen such a waste of a character in my life.
Kuro only hated Illya in the start though, I think the same would probably happen if the two Illya's met eachother, with Prisma Illya finding a way to save her and becoming friends instead.
Assuming it was F/SN Illya that got into prisma's world at least, if Prisma Illya got into the F/SN world then they would probably just both end up having a bad end.
Kaleidosticks are pretty hax though, and servant installs would mean they could actually stand up to their counterparts, even if briefly. Caster vs Caster-Install, Lancer vs Lancer-Install, I would pay to see those.
yeah perhaps. I'm not really sure how the powerlevels compare, like installs vs actual servants.
Maybe if she had both ruby and sapphire she would have a decent chance with 2wei form.
Prisma's Illya will just trigger FSN Shirou's hero hard on even harder.
I doubt an install can win against your average since installs are still human at end of the day and sufficient damage will kill them, Servants need either a heart shot or head shot for sure kill.
Should ask Kuro or Miyu about that.
HF Shirou is Miyu Shirou, just with a different priority on who to save. One wants to save his little sister, the other his love interest. For that matter, Miyu Shirou was in love with his timeline's Sakura before Shinji ganked her.
At least Fate Shirou's primary antagonist is Illya more so than Berserker. Prisma vs Fate Illya would make more sense than UBW where Gilgamesh would just wreck both of them at the same time.
Because of how this shit works, there is a universe where Ilya gets best end
Very doubtful, so far barely any characters have died in Prisma. Although it hasn't shown too much of it in the latest manga chapters, it is still a magical girl show, so will most likely have a happy ending.
Well of course I have no doubt in my mind as well that the mahou shoujo aspect of the series will completely override the Fate tragedy.
Just throwing it out there that if one of the main three does die, Kuro has the highest chance of sacrificing herself.
Yeah... well, she just hasn't found Mr. Right yet. Not kissing a boy doesn't mean you're gay! Illya doesn't even think girls should be able to love girls!
She only says boys there, not girls. Illya doesn't want to admit it but she clearly is interested in girls as well.
>She hasn't kissed a single man yet.
Not for lack of trying or desire.
Ilya is kind of a freak though when you really think about it, especially in the Fate route.
No one calling on her killing Archer I can somewhat understand, since he was a servant, and it was part of the war, but she kills Shinji, and no one really says anything.
Yeah, like, I know Shinji's a dick, and he was a master, but Ilya was involved with an outright homicide of someone, and what's worse, is that she gets all buddy-buddy with Sakura after the end of the route, while Sakura herself is left out of the loop as to whether her brother is even dead.
Does no one see how weirdly awkward that is?
I'm not completely sure about this, but Gilgamesh only goes bonkers after he gets paired up with Shinji. Being forced to tag along with the most worthless piece of trash in the War must have driven him insane or something. This doesn't happen in Fate because Illya kills Shinji before he can seek Kotomine's safety.
Nigga, you are crying over a cup. It's a fucking cup, just grow the fuck up already.
You are literally crying over spilled milk.
Yeah, that's the excuse, but murdering someone because they're an asshole isn't really considered cool in most cases regardless.
I mean Sakura doesn't even know he's dead. She's left wondering about it, as shown in the epilogue to the route. There isn't even a scene where it's like, "I know you killed him, and I'm fine with that cause he's a dick", it's just a big open question for her, while the murderer acts like her friend.
It's a bit fucked.
>Shinji was an asshole who treated Sakura like shit
Yea wow I remember this. That's the kind of character writing that really keeps you on the edge of your chair
Didn't Illya mention it to him at some point? Or was that in one of the bad ends?
Illya does mention killing Shinji to shirou. Its a scene in the mansion when she has him tied up to the chair and shit.
Theres also a universe where she gets joins mutant space monkey pirates who are looking for the one piece in Fuyuki, since there's the whole "infinite universes infinite possibilities"
I cannot remember a specific instance, but I am certain Shirou knows about Shinji's death, but it's never really made much of a big deal, which bugs me since in the route right after, Shinji gets saved, and is shown to be getting on better terms with Sakura, so it's not like he's utterly irredeemable.
It was a war though? Shinji was willingly being part of it, he knew of the risks
>I mean Sakura doesn't even know he's dead.
Sakura is smart and knew about the war she can add 2+2
>He wouldn't get erect if a qt top loli like Illya sat on top of him
Because it' just another war casuality and there is nothing that they cna do, Shinji still can be saved by the end of UBW
But it's not even really brought up. Do you get my point? For instance, Kuzuki's death in UBW is handled by Shirou being awkward around Issei, and Issei himself assuming he left because the guy was a nomad in the first place.
There's nothing like with in regards to Sakura, or any of the other characters even mentioning his death.
Okay, see, there's a difference between liking a character, and wondering why there's no narrative consequences, no matter how small, to his death.
He wasn't an outsider. He was a popular guy at school, and he just went 'missing'.
both. Lolidom is a god tier fetish.
And likewise, there's Ilya to consider. Even if Sakura put things together, is it not a bit fucked that Ilya herself doesn't mention, nor seem to care? All the while actually seeming to like Sakura?
Remember, at this point, Ilya probably didn't know much about their relationship other than being brother and sister.
And then teasingly saying with the smuggest face possible
>Onii-chan, I can feel something hard poking me...
>I knew it... you like little girls don't you? You dirty lolicon~
Is it just me or was the latest episode of 3rei the shittiest episode thus far? It's right when things started HAPPENING in the manga but I literally felt nothing towards everything past the doll shenanigans.
But anon the best lines are right after that
i thought it was pretty good, first half was a bit weak, animation wise especially, but second part was fine. Only part that was a bit disappointing was Angelica finishing off Gil's explanation of their goals, I expected her voice to be a lot more dramatic.
Really looking forward to next episode though, Illya, Kuro and Miyu all got great scenes in it and I have no doubt that their voice acting will be top notch. Just gotta hope the animation for the fighting can also be decent. It's obviously not gonna match the manga but as long as they can keep the quality similar to the previous seasons then it should be fine.
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>implying that's my first post ITT
Instead of getting angry, it is in your interest to consider what I've brought to your attention. You can better yourself and make this board less boring.
Absolutely, Diarmuid is best boy potential what with being a viking murdering mercenary and all.
I have no fucking clue what Urobuchi was memeing about when he made him all chivalrous when Diarmuid predates chivalry itself
What else would you do, tickle her tummy?
Good point, you can please two lolis at once like that.
How about head patting a loli that's head patting a smaller loli.
I blame the lack of emotion every scene has, this has been a problem during the entire season, the VA are just not doing a good job during important scenes, the Thor vs Caster fight for example was awesome in the manga but it was dull as fuck in the anime. The preview for next episode gives me hope, Illya actually sounded like she cared about was it's happening.
Really, I actually found the voice acting to be one of the things that's done best,. In that scene both Mai and Rie are doing great, especially Rie is really pulling it off well.
The issue with that scene was that it cut out some of the important moments that ruined the flow, like Illya not knowing that it was sapphire she had picked up and starting her flying speech, instead of her just randomly running towards Beatrice.
I also feel the biggest issue the adaption has is that they try to adapt it a bit too directly, almost panel to panel from the manga, and it just doesn't always work that well.
I'm not sure why but most of 2wei(last fight against gil being the exception) felt like it fit better as an anime than 3rei does. 3rei got far too much dialogue during the battles that just doesn't work well animated. That and the fact that they could adapt everything in 2wei due to it's slower pace compared to 3rei where they have to skip important character moments to fit it all into 12 episodes.
kill yourself you little faggot, that Ilya is dead.
This is the new one, you piece of shit.
If you actually really think it looks like shit then no, as it's clearly not intended for you.
I'm torn because I like the loli fanservice, but every time I get a taste for the plot, it looks extremely generic. Just more of hacksan nasu cashing out. I have s1 of the anime saved in my backlog right now
>At least with Miyu you don't get the rather creepy Incest thing
Yeah, instead she makes out with her suppressed subconscious and she is "BEST FRIENDS" with the girl who, by all appearances, is her own alternate-universe counterpart.
If you're like LRD and only care about the loli fanservice shots and such then probably not worth it. If you want really cute lolis with occasional lewd stuff then why not give it a try.
As for the plot, it starts out as mostly as magical girl show with fate elements and does for most parts stay that way, at least until the more recent manga chapters. It's nothing amazing but it's terrible either, especially if you like the typical magical girl themes like I do.
You make it sound like Sakura is bad. Season 1 is probably still my favorite as while it may be simple it's a pretty damn solid magical girl show set in the fate universe.
>How come Illya doesn't get her own route?
>because she's shit
Ah yes, do tell me more about how the other characters are paragons of excellence truly deserving their route
I have long given up hope of ever seeing the return of Tsukihime. And even if it does come out, we'll never get an English translation.
Does Type Moon even know they have a fanbase beyond Japan?
>Why does Illya get the short stick in every single Fate route?
Because Nasu is a lazy ass. He couldn't finish the Illya route in time so he just merged it with the Sakura route.
He probably was planning a happy end for Illya but just swept it under the rug.
I agree with you, OP. In my opinion Illya is the best girl in the Fate series. Additionally, my opinion is that she is the best girl, period ( though I can understand why others would differ here). Apparently, her route got cut to save time in making the original VN and Nasu just never added it back on.
People have said, though, that her spin-off is her route. I understand that, to some, Prillya isn't the same Illya as in the previous routes from H/A, SN, HF and UBW. Prilya's personality vastly differs from Illya's. Prillya is sweet, kind, and pure and Illya's personality was marred by the pain she went through in becoming a master, losing her parents, and being dead set on killing her brother. Yet, under all the pain Illya suffered through, her true personality still remained. This is seen where she absolutely adored Shirou in SN and HF. I think that Prillya is what Illya would have been but for the life situations she faced. Of course, nobody yet knows how Prisma will end, but if it ends well then perhaps you'll get your wish after all and she truly will be able to have a happy ending.
I'm with you in hoping that things work out for her.
I have to wonder, how much of Prisma's portrayal of Illya has rubbed off on her? So if Nasu did an Illya route now, would her personality cleave closer to her Prisma counterpart over the original characterization he wrote back in F/SN?
Who's to say the original wouldn't have ended up gay if she'd ever had a chance to actually be with other people and experience life? Outside of Shirou she never showed attraction for anyone, man or woman.
Yeah it's still Kadowaki Mai. I think it's probably just that she got better since then, it was something like 8 hours between the visual novel and first ufotable adaption.
She's a really good voice actor for lolis. She also uses a similar voice to prisma Illya in Monobeno where she does one of the main girls. Which is probably why there are so many crossover fans between the two, and why this Illya doujin by the Monobeno artist sells for like 15k yen.
They definitely know now. They've commented on the foreigners playing FGO. Hell, they even took one of the memes that started in /fgog/ and effectively canonized it in FGO events. They probably also know that the English release of Extra sold surprisingly well for an obscure weeb game.
Illya was sweet, kind and pure with Shirou in HF. She always was like that.
Melty got an English release on Steam a few months back, but I don't know how well it sold. I suspect it underperformed, and if it did then TM might not be looking to release more Tsukihime stuff in the West.
Bah. Some of the art looks great, but I guess I can't expect anything better from the industry.
Well if you read Fanfiction, someone already did that. Prism Mayhem, Illya, Kuro, Miyu and Bazett are pulled to the F/SN verse and the 5th HGW, Illya tries Rule Breaking Berserker to get rid of him, but accidentally Rule Breaks Lancer instead, gaining control of him. F/SN Illyasviel sees Illya as proof she didn't have to end up the way she is.
Nasu just technically hinted that all fanfics of F/SN are canon, but not official
I read the chaos theory fanfiction, but that was the only illya one I read, even though I love her as best girl. As the pseudo illya route, I had a lot of fun with it, even though it is still ongoing.
Nice to know someone else feels like Illya is just best girl throughout everything as well. I dont find illya sexy or anything, or nice to fap to (I havent even once), but it's just something about her that draws me to her.
Visually speaking Ilya is easily top 10 on my list of most attractive anime girls. God damn what an erotic little bitch. Other than that, I kind of hate her.
Her entire character embodies the exact opposite of what Shirou stands for. She likes things that feel good, hates things that don't feel good, is nice to people she likes and can't care less about people she doesn't know (regardless of their personality). She's literally a (wo)manchild who operates solely on emotions and possesses no moral compass whatsoever. This is why she attacks and potentially mutilates Shirou even though she knows nothing about him, because MUH KERYTUGU. This is why she shits on Shirou's moral dilemma in Heaven's Feel. Her mind genuinely cannot comprehend caring for people outside of her circle.
She captures what a lot of 4chan users hate in women. You're dumb if you like her because CUTE LOLIS LOL or you imagine yourself being a recipient of her love. She wouldn't care about you dumbass, she'd happily cut off your ball sack to relieve stress. Anyway fuck Ilya and people who unironically like her.
Its pretty good, But with all fanfiction, you have to dig through shit in order to find a diamond.
There are a couple that I wish would become a manga, Chaos Theory (Illya Route) From Fake Dreams (Kiritsugu has dreams of all the fsn routes and plans accordingly) and Prism Mayhem (Prisma Illya in F/SN)[/spolier]
nasu is a lazy shitter, it's as simple as that.
it's the same as satsuki in tsukihime, where you pretty much have a perfect moment for the game to branch into her route, except nope, she just dies/becomes a vampire and is forgotten.
>post yfw there are actually people who don't like prisma illya
What, are you fucking gay?
But Anon she doesnt need her own route, everyone already loves her!
But seriously now, author fucking hates her because she's a foreigner.
At least she's got the best thing to come out of this shitty eroge.
I'm kind of glad we'll never know, because it could get really creepy when you're fucking someone who looks like they're 10 and has the body of a 10 year old. And a 10 year old's body is not adapted or designed to be fucked. The Pussy would be dry, tight and probably bleed as well. It hardly bears thinking.
Its not like Nasu hasn't done it before.
Len has the best ero scenes Nasu has ever written and some god tier CGs.
Lol that feeling where you realise your tounge is too big for your mouth
>Illya herself would prefer that if anything.
Ilya sits on Shirou lapp while he's tied to a chair in the dit real talk they've even had in F/SN universe. Prisma Ilya Universe Ilya want's him so bad her subconcession form tried multiple times to seduce him. There's no "Normal" for Ilya when it comes to her NBR Onii-Chan.
Now I want a KT anime adaptation.
Even an OVA about Shiki feeding Len cakes would be great.
>Sakura is into dom
Well her inner self is both maternal and frosty, so it conflicts. So more switch than S.
Rider will probably tell you that you don't want to awaken her S fully, you probably can't handle it. And this from Rider, who is a switch with an actual blood fetish, a literal fetish to drink people dry of blood as you saw in her ero scene in Hollow.
Unless you are into bruising someone's internal organs with your dick, there are better ones.
Sakura and Shirou's second and third scene in HF is decent. And most of the ones in Hollow are a significant improvement over FSN.
>that doujinshi where Kuro learns that for whatever reason, she can transfer back anal pleasure to Illya, so she starts anally masturbating a lot
>that moment when she shoves anal beads up her butt and sits down onto it when Illya starts bothering her about why her butt feels molested, causing Illya to cum and pass out
>That feel when some mages run off with your favorite cup
It's like, how am I supposed to drink coffee now?
Yeah that's actually how I would rate them as well. Hopefully berserker is something like this.
Damn that picture is great, that lancer butt and back, caster thighs and rider smile. Too bad about the text on it.
Because time and money were not enough back then for Nasu to finish Illya route so he mixed it with Sakura route making Illya the best part of it, along with Kotmone, but not giving her a happy ending as compensation.
I would love to see that Illya get a happy ending. And no, Prisma Illya is not similar in the sightless, neither is Kuro or Miyu, they are all completely different in everything but the body.
>in an alternate future, Sakura's route gets completely scrapped and we get Illya's route in its entirety
Honestly, Illya as Archer's kinda cuter than Kuro. Sure, it's just Kuro taking control of her body, but it still counts as an Install outfit.
Don't think I can decide which one I like the most of them actually, both are great.
>Prisma Illya would still exist anyway just because of how much of a miracle Illya is
>scrapping best route
In your dreams.
Assassin appears in HA and even gets a girl though.
He has also become the biggest
memefrom GO. His tittle as the dragon slayer is almost official now thanks to being included in so much events.
Face it anon. Everything in HF that's good wasn't originally in Sakura's route.
Pretty sure Sakura was originally in her own route.
I want to give Kuro a hug.