Loli of the season? Loli of the season.
I'm liking the changes the anime made so far. Splitting the group to cover more stuff at the same time instead of one at the time was a good move. The added flashback scenes were cute and of course using the trial's and Zaveid's theme was great.
Eizen best boy.
>You'll never experience the pleasure of feeling Edna's thigh on your face
Why even live?
>Splitting the group to cover more stuff
What's funny is that it hasn't worked out. They could have given Alisha more relevance using that technique but she's pretty well forgotten by now. I know they'll meet up with her for the bridge but they could have easily added a scene in this episode with her to set that up.
Because she's an adorable loli and can get away with it by making it look cute. Also, it's common knowledge that umbrellas are the weapon of choice for certificated badasses.
They did exactly that they interplayed Mikleo getting his bow with this episode. They don't go into what Alisha is doing because well she's not important enough for them to do it.
To be fair, Tales of never were very romantic (well most of them not at less) they always put more effort into making things overly complicated and giving as much bittersweet as possible.
That's why I never liked too much this series, it just never is "lived happyly forever after" there is always some bullshit
Seraph use the opposing element as their catalyst. Edna uses a water catalyst, Dezel and Zaveid use an earth catlyst(the pendulums), Lailah uses a wind catalyst(cards), Mikleo uses a staff because he didn't know he was supposed to use a fire catalyst.
>Tales romance is never good in the first place though.
Lloyd and Colette were great in their anime. Especially when
Lloyd kisses Colette.
I like how this episode made Zaveid and Edna's talk during the end of the game alot more heartbreaking.
I hope we'll see the shrines in the anime with their OST
For the first time in my life, I experienced fucking dungeons music SO GOOD I didn't want to leave the dungeons.
The OST is that good.
Here have some orchestrated medley https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7uxxyGR-z4
I played the game but didn't watch the anime. And as someone who doesn't care for homo pairings, Lloyd had more chemistry with every other party member. I didn't even dislike Colette, it just seemed like she was too much of a child compared to everyone else. Even more than Lloyd.
You should watch the anime if you liked the game.
>The anime will never, ever capture the same experience as playing through the elemental shrines.
>playing through the elemental shrines.
That is not a con in any way.
Holy shit the memories are resurfacing.
>almost get to the end
>get sent back again
Best seraph got the worst dungeon. Damn shame.
The wind temple was absolutely boring. Large empty spaces with easy puzzles? Put me right to sleep.
All in all it's a good thing if they skip the trials.
>Large empty spaces with easy puzzles?
>Large empty spaces
I don't think we're thinking of the same wind temple. The wind temple in Zestiria was an ascending tower, which each floor segmented by short hallways worth of monsters and elevator puzzles. The most open areas were the first floor and the top floor, in which absolutely nothing happens.
Yeah. To me it looked like a concrete tower that they built and forgot to decorate or something. The Water and Fire trials weren't stellar examples of level design either but at least they had some life to them. The Wind trial looked like they wanted to be lazy or ran out of time; either way it was a lifeless grey shaft with some roaming monsters and a lot of spinny mist-things.
I didn't think the wind temple was so bad. Tedious as fuck but the water temple was by far the worst shit I've had to sit through in a Tales game. Second worst would be shadow temple in Symphonia.
>she will never fall into your arms
three some when
So there are these objects throughout the dungeon that you have to turn on/off that unlock/lock doors in the dungeon. And you have to turn some of them on and the others kept off to unlock the final door so you just do a whole lot of running around trying to figure out which object needs to be left on or off. The ex dungeon is just full of timers and stupid enemies.
When they meet up with Alisha again to make it a foursome, for maximum Meebo NTR.
her thighs must feel nice
From what I've seen fujos don't give enough of a shit about either Rose or Alisha to even bring themselves to hate either girl. They tend to be the ones that sit back and laugh at Rose and Alishafags. If any anyone who seriously ships Sorey with a female show up they usually just BTFO them with one or two game screenshots.
>no merry adventures of Eizen and his smug imouto on the seven seas
Ufotable pls, asspull and save Eizen.
I don't think I'm even half way through Berseria yet, but I assume his whole Shinigami curse shtick was probably why he left her, so she didn't get involved in whatever mess that happens when he's around.
>encyclopedia bro who loves his imouto
>brocon with a wicked sense of humor
Truly the best siblings in this universe.
Anyway, time to bolt before I get spoilered to hell and back.
I'm almost wondering if Eizen might make it out of this alive like Mason. As I recollect, Edna was in complete denial in the game about him not being savable. Eizen was also completely unable to recognize her anymore. Seems like those things have changed. The resolution of that subplot was also pretty terrible. Doubly so in that if they'd just waited after Heldalf, they could have shot him with Zaveid's gun and it'd have probably been okay. Sure, they didn't know at the time, but it fell flat in retrospect.
Don't worry anon I won't spoil it for you. It's nice just to talk about how best boy Eizen is. Is he gap moe?
>looks tough and edgy
>is super redpilled about women, probably because of Zavied's hijinks
>is actually a huge nerd who gets sad when Eleanor steals his info dump role
>Alicia and Rose are the ones they hate.
Who? Also fujos don't give a shit about either, or they embrace them both and ship them because the game does too.
Why would any fujo feel threatened about any girl in this game? They know the fucking ending. Only secondaries seem to think Zestiria is some harem competition where Mikleo is truly 'threatened' by grills.
there was the berseria episodes
Nope. Nothing is immune to shitflinging arguments built entirely out of bullshit. They're just disguising their shipwars and waifu/husbando wars up in the latest trendy terminology.
>Eizen was also completely unable to recognize her anymore. Seems like those things have changed.
Or, of course, the next time they confront him (or last time if it'll happen more than once), he completely doesn't recognize her anymore. And then they kill him.
No. It's not going to happen. They can't kill best boy and ruin Edna's smile forever. ;_;
I would kill for an adaption of Berseria after Zestiria. I knew I was going to like Eizen, but he's far more likable than I imagined. The rest of the cast, too.
Sasuga earth seraph siblings.
Possibly. It certainly felt unfinished, but so many jrpgs anymore feel like they ran out of budget 2/3rds of the way through. I can barely even remember the last time I played a JRPG and felt it was complete.
It's not impossible, and certainly would be more like source. However, the changes they've made so far would make it even worse than in the game (presuming that part proceeds as it has in the past). They seem willing to change things up significantly, so I'm hopeful it'll at least end up better than it did.
Imo I think that Berseria would've made for a much better anime than Zestiria. The party just has much better chemistry and the plot is more compelling since Japan loves its revenge plots.
Well, UFOtable have set the seeds with the adaption of the start of Berseria. Everyone involved with the project will realise that those two episodes were the best received.
It could definately happen
Has the Meebo bullying started yet or is that next week?
Well Meebo water is the purest water that you could ever drink, wanting to get it directly from the source is only common sense.
Next week probably. Edna's too busy being a brocon to bully anyone right now. Good cause she actually got some depth before drowning in the puddle of being forced comedy relief.
Mikleo is whatever you want him to be.
>you will never wake up from centuries long sleep to a loyal waifu who stopped aging to be recognizable to you
>you will never have a waifu who writes a book about your eternal love
>you will never start a new journey all over again to achieve your dream
Sorey is a lucky guy
Because she's literally perfect.
Do Rosefags even visit these threads anymore? I mean the ones that aren't falseflaggers. I feel like the constant bashing from every direction put Lailahfags and Rosefags out of commission because antis are pretty much just talking amongst themselves about how much they hate her/Zestiria.
>literally goes against the plot and the laws of the world to look like a good character
zestiria's story in the game was shit, but miss full-of-contradictions made everything worse
Hm? Much like Sorey, she spent a lot of time with a Seraph (even though she was unaware of Dezel) and even got possessed by him sometimes, so eventually she grew used to his presence.
Stop trying to start shit, hater.
They show up from time to time, but from reveal episode 3 of her following Bartlow (an obvious villain) and the release of Berseria (which really did shit on her personality) as other weaknesses of the character that people pointed out has pretty much turned /a/ against her.
Lailahfags hate came from frustration of the character in the game itself and the reveal from Berseria that she's really shit at her job. But the anime has only worked to lessen it by improving on the character.
>Hm? Much like Sorey, she spent a lot of time with a Seraph (even though she was unaware of Dezel) and even got possessed by him sometimes, so eventually she grew used to his presence.
Actually according to the backstory she hasn't been around them for very long.
You nailed it. Rosefags don't really post, only her haters do. They seem unable to talk about anything else but how much they hate her. They're completely obsessed with her, more than the actual Rosefags.
>anon posts about how much they love Rose
>people try to tell them that she's Baba's self insert and was the reason Zestiria is so shit
>n-no Rose haters are just obsessive and delusional
Not defending Rose, but it wasn't the worst excuse for something in game by far. Zaveid being able to use wind trial power by just plugging in like a swapped light bulb was the worst. It always seemed clear to me that Rose was the weaker of the two and depended entirely on Sorey's power to do what she could.
For mechanics reasons it was not really feasible to show it in battle, because if you had a weaker armatized Rose or a Rose that didn't armatize it would have been hard as hell to balance battles with Sorey's armatization. As a case in point, Alisha is extremely painful to play when she's in the party with Sorey unless you really power level her and get her just the right skills, and she has a lot of boosts to make her compete. Like Vanisch on a weapon, a really good DLC title, and so on.
Anon, Rosefags used to post here a lot, in fact they had a terrible habit of shitting up the threads anytime that anyone said anything negative about her. Their habit of doing so probably made people lose their patience with the character.
It doesn't help matters that she's a cause of many problems in the game's story.
Someone likes something you don't? Better go on a mindless rant we all have heard countless of times, that surely will help. No, you can't possibly leave him alone and continue to talk about the things you like, no no no, that can't happen, not on your watch. You MUST tell him for the 100th time how much you dislike her.
>For mechanics reasons it was not really feasible to show it in battle, because if you had a weaker armatized Rose or a Rose that didn't armatize it would have been hard as hell to balance battles with Sorey's armatization
They could have easily just fixed it by utilizing it for Sorey the same way they did Ludger did his own special mechanic in Xillia 2.
>anon posts about how much they love Rose
But we just established that nobody actually does this if they're fishing for (Yous)
>They're completely obsessed with her, more than the actual Rosefags.
They really are and the quality of the threads have taken a fucking nose dive because it happens every thread. I don't particularly care for Rose but anti-Rosefags are annoying cunts who repeat the same shit and think it will ever change the reality of Zestiria.
Instead of complaining more like them though, I'll just dodge these garbage threads from now on.
>people point out legit reasons as to why Rose fucked up the game
>noooooo you just hate her!!! Rose is perfect!!!
You illustrate my example perfectly. Most people are trying to have a decent conversation but then Rosefags come in and ruin the thread.
It's more believable for Sorey, growing up in a village of seraphs being able to see and hear them, while being taught to be pure of heart
than Rose who is just pure of heart for whatever fucking reason, with only one seraph around her sometimes
I suppose, but I couldn't really get behind that mechanic. It seemed kind of jarring compared to the normal battle.
I don't think you really have to be pure of heart. I think it's more like getting irradiated by constant seraph contact.
>But we just established that nobody actually does this if they're fishing for (Yous)
They used to and if you think that the threads are bad now, then you've never been around when Rosefags, you literally couldn't say anything negative about the character without them getting upset and attacking you. In fact your reaction about people pointing out Rose's problems as a character is similar to them.
Yet the game seems to be picking up on sells and receiving good reviews because of people liking the story, characters, and combat.Along, with recommendations from people who completed it to go buy it even from people who was still bitter about the Zestiria incident, but gave the game a chance and actually like the game.
Nah, that anon was upset at the obnoxious behavior of anti Rosefags consistently and obsessively bring her up at every turn even in episodes she is not remotely related to.
But it's whatever, you clearly will not agree with this.
>I suppose, but I couldn't really get behind that mechanic. It seemed kind of jarring compared to the normal battle.
I think that as a unique mechanic for Sorey it works because it's not forced on you. However it's when they gave it Rose and forced an the game mechanics to revolve that it became a problem.
I'm pissed off since you remember that there's really no happy ending for most of the characters in Berseria because of Zestiria. This episode really hit me in the feels because Eizen was a real bro in Berseria. I really hope they find a way to save him.
>irradiated by constant seraph contact
you're telling that rose has a resonance high enough to armatize like the shepard because of ONE seraph being around her? one of which she couldn't even see or sense until becoming a squire
they said that being someone of pure heart like sorey is worth of becoming the shepard and the power that comes with it because a pure heart = high resonance
rose is not pure no matter what the game says and therefore should not have any resonance
There are seraphim in Lastonbell for example, if they give off resonance, why isn't everyone able to be pure of heart like rose? oh yeah to ignore the plot and shoehorn her into the story
absolutely 10/10 mad
the combat in berseria is miles better
the hiougis are miles better
the characters are miles better
there's so much more stuff to do in berseria, the game took me like 55 hours to complete, whereas zestiria was around 25-30
the story was better, although the storywriters tried as hard as they could because fuck zestiria writing
Actually I'd have to say that white knights that are obnoxious ones. People are going to like or dislike whatever they want. And if something is a glaring problem then they're going to talk about it. If you don't like the fact that they're talking about it, then you can simply ignore it. But saying that people shouldn't talk about something because you don't want them to is both stupid and obnoxious. And more shows your over-inflated ego than anything else.
>If you don't like the fact that they're talking about it, then you can simply ignore it.
Not when it becomes the clusterfuck of the entire thread.
Additionally, nobody said anything about not being entitled to post the shit you like or dislike. Only that it was annoying as fuck. Hence why I can just purely take the decision and ditch it altogether instead of complaining about it and hoping people would stop (kek).
This. I don't really care about Rose, but it's undeniable that she was the main reason why Zestiria was a shitshow. You can't really avoid touching on the subject if you want to discuss the game/anime. Like what the other anon said, you should take your own advice and ignore the Rose banter if it annoys you so much.
I know, like holy fuck man the combat system is loads better than zestiria. The character interactions are really good, especially with magilou, or eizan/rokurou arguing about stupid shit. The only thing that was the constant obsession about apples
But man, zestiria really did ruin the plot by setting some restrictions of sorts for berseria
Yeah but having a prequel means you have to write with the conditions of having events impact the present, or adhering to the already made worlds rules. There's just a bunch of stupid plot things that are a bit annoying, like the corruption part where they turn into the monsters. I got most of the main story plotline, and just seeing how its kind of forced into the ending that berseria got is kinda shitty.
There's just so many stupid things that zestiria set up that berseria kinda had to follow, although that's just what I think. some people might like how berseria ended but idk I just wanted a happy end
On the bright side Velvet gets all the cool moves for her moveset, and she's on Ludger/Yuri level of chaining abilities. I really like how they gave you the freedom to use artes however you wanted
Then you have a choice to simply not go on the thread, or give them something else to talk about. I don't particularly care for Berseria discussion but I never go on the thread and tell other anon that they shouldn't talk about it because I don't like it.
>Additionally, nobody said anything about not being entitled to post the shit you like or dislike.
The simple fact that you are complaining about what people are posting shows that you are entitled, and that makes you more obnoxious than anyone else in this thread.
As I recollect, the Lastonbell seraph, like most, did not really interact with people very much. The one little girl she did interact with could see seraphim, to her eventual detriment. In comparison with large cities that had perhaps one seraph, Sorey lived in a very tiny village surrounded by them, some in very close proximity and also went through the whole Camlann incident. Rose did not have that many, but Dezel was explicitly hollowing her out to make her a vessel for him. I presume he knew what he was doing.
Conversely, we see a lot of pure people who can't see seraphim. Alisha and Sergei certainly should have deserved to see them if pure of heart was the requirement. On the other hand, we have really evil people who do not become hellions. I don't think being pure of heart is really born out as a cause for seeing seraphim or not.
Yeah Nips seems have simultaneously accepted the idea that Sorey grew up secretly wanting to fuck Mikleo.
Happy ends with everything perfect are retarded. Not to mention revenge stories should never end happily ever after.
Berseria's ending was great.
And Malevolence really is just negative emotions. That's all it is. Simple and clean.
That why taking away emotions and turned everyone into slave drones = no malevolence.
>Then you have a choice to simply not go on the thread, or give them something else to talk abou
Well no shit. I'm only here talking about it with you now because you replied. I certainly will follow that advice now.
>and that makes you more obnoxious than anyone else in this thread.
The feeling is mutual so that's fine. See you around.
Is it just me, or there's something really odd with Zestiria's introductions?
Edna kinda appears out of nowhere and then joins.
Alisha leaves the party but its treated as something not relevant and the party doesn't seem to mind that much.
Dezel is always with Rose, yet once she sees him, she doesn't really say shit. Never wonders why he seems so fixated on her or anything.
In comparison, the anime introduced Edna a hell lot better, but just what the fuck happened in the game?
Berseria's ending was really the best we could've got. It's bittersweet, but it could've ended on a much darker notes, like
Velvet being forced to kill her otouto. Being sealed away together isn't too bad since they're dreaming about being happy together.I'm just pissed that they could've come up with a solution to the dragons but couldn't because of Zestiria.
Not even the most cheerful Tales game had a 100% happy ending.
>Yeah but having a prequel means you have to write with the conditions of having events impact the present, or adhering to the already made worlds rules. There's just a bunch of stupid plot things that are a bit annoying, like the corruption part where they turn into the monsters. I got most of the main story plotline, and just seeing how its kind of forced into the ending that berseria got is kinda shitty.
Yeah but the fact that they made to begin with means that they're the ones who know how to fix it. And they've already changed a lot, since Berseria did change the mechanics of malevolence and which also changed everyone's understanding of Zestiria, which is probably what they wanted to do in the first place.
The game had to have the shit re-written out of it at the last second because of Baba. A lot of things don't make sense because there was no time not money to polish or revise anything.
It's real fucking stupid how the setting has no opposite concept to malevolence.
What a world to live in, where positive emotion does fuck-all and being a sociopath is actually preferable.
The simple answer is that Baba wanted to insert his VA waifu two months before the game's release, so the writers had to scrap a bunch of stuff to make a bare bones storyline. The anime is aiming to fix Zestiria's plot, hence the better introductions.
The idea is stupid anyways. Seraphs don't get to reincarnate so of course there would be other downsides to being an immortal race of NEETs that never have to worry about starvation, old age, or procreating.
And God Dragons can be purified because they're special.
Yeah, I know. It really does suck about the dragons, but I suppose the ending was the best possible outcome.
Yeah, I still think that the plot got fucked though in general because of having to try and expand/adjust the conditions of Zestiria the best they could
But hey, at least the game didn't force you to beat everything by forced armitization or else you get fucked, and the final boss wasn't as big of a meme as zestiria. It was also pretty cool to hear wan piss swordsman
The wiki tells a shit ton, and if you just look at the story and how shitty the shoe in with rose is you can really see how much he pushed for Rose. Having Baba off the team for Berseria really helped the game
But in hindsight Berseria effected Zestiria more than Zestiria effected it. It's because of Berseria why the ending of Zestiria and Rose becoming a shepherd is no longer considered a happy ending. And beforehand Sorey who people either didn't like or didn't care about is looked at more positively.
Yeah it really showed that Sorey was right all along. Plus it really revealed how much Lailah and Rose was fucking everything up by preventing him from doing what he believed was right.
But this is all one big assumption
An assumption can't explain why things are the way they are in the game
We assume that resonance, being pure of heart, interacting with seraphs all have something to do with each other but it's thrown out the door when it comes to Rose
That's what makes Rose so unbelievable
I don't believe she is more pure of heart than Alisha, Sergei, or any other person
I don't believe she has high resonance on par with the Shepard to be able to armatize just as easily
Rose goes against everything no matter how many compelling assumptions are made
But early on, the plan was to have her own Echo Artes that presumably would've synergized with the seraphs as a unique counterpart to Sorey's armatization, which would've been more interesting for gameplay and avoid the story contrivances.
>Baba: “Rose is a lot like me. Everybody loves her
Malevolence is just mistranslated from Kegare, meaning impurity. It's less about negative emotions and more about disharmony in the community. Some of the bravest heroes were hellions, these heroes may have had the best of intentions but fell to the fact that they were going against what the harmonious path was. Hell, just look at Attak and you have a perfect example of the positive emotions leading to disharmony. Minotauros was also a perfect example of the disharmony concept, the kids felt like they had no place in the community and when they died they amalgamated into a hellion. More importantly, look at the priest in Rolance that didn't hellionize due to his belief that he was following the harmonious path. It's far more nuanced than many think, and people aren't seeing that. It's about how separation from the community at large is a disastrous to the very soul.
To be fair,
she is a different thing. That's aspect of the Seraph/human relationship is pretty interesting. If there is a new game set in this world I would love an exploration of it.
Armatizing makes way more sense for Sorey but no Rose thanks to Berseria.
would have turned into a fucking dragon because his Wind Malak was soaking in his malevolence[/spoilerí
>Mooks explode because they can't handle the power of Armatizing.
had to release malevolence in order to Armatize with Inominat.
How does that make any sense taking Rose into consideration, and doesn't Lailah continually telling Sorey to isolate himself from human affairs go against that idea completely?
This is the major problem with Rose
She does things she believes to be right but isn't and should turn into a hellion
She doesn't get to decide if her actions are of pure intent or not, the world does
This right destroys everything about Rose's character of being pure of heart and therefore, makes her an absolute contradiction to Zestiria's narritive
There is absolutely no concrete evidence showing what people claim actually happened. All there is are rumors, unrelated stuff like bugs and common production delays.
>this NPC said something it doesn't make sense
>the entire game was rewritten we got you baba you're done!!!!!!!
The Shepherd is a divisive figure, it makes sense for such a divisive figure to not meddle when there is no need. It would only promote disharmony. And Rose was a mess to add to the game anyway and thus fucks shit up regardless of what aspect of the story you talk about.
Yes. Artorious being a the biggest jerk in the universe, so far, is a given.
I still want an exploration of Seraphs like Seres, though.
Like a MC with her same issues that has to deal with their "old" life for some reason.
She is my favorite too, though Edna is a close second.
>out of commission
No. I just ignore autists that over-analyze every single bit for the sake of fueling hate. Lailah is a wonderful being and nothing will ever change that.
Not all of it is that. They also have an interview from the VA's who admitted that they had actually been told that they finished recording only to be called back to record new lines with the new character Rose. That plus the fact that Rose a MC was revealed only 4 months before the game's release (and she wasn't even referred to as the heroine until the game's actual release).
>Alisha being shafted
I'm getting hopeful she wont be. Maltran is getting lots of screen time.
Purify those who insult onee-sans.
Yeah she means well but she has no idea what she's doing, which fits her to be honest.
Plus even with her bad choice of Shepherds she's not having them go around enslaving all the Malaks to serve them and die for their not righteous cause.
That attitude is why so many are NEETs in Zesty.
>Maltran shows up after the Earth Trial
>AWW SHIT'S GOING DOWN
>She's a side-quest
It's not even over-analyzing Lailah would have picked Rose if she had the chance, and that's exactly the problem.
Literally her best shepherd wasn't even picked her but by a higher power literally making the decision and ordering her to go along with it.
She's just precious
I think if not for her being shafted like she was, she could have had more potential to be a more good character.
It feels like Lailah was originally meant to learn from Sorey on what it takes to be a good shepherd, but like most good things in Zestiria it feels like it was left on the cutting room floor.
>I got a book and an onee-san on each arm
Now that I think about it, that's a dead give away that she's a hellion since Velvet said that once you become one, you don't notice the weather because you're numb to temperature.
They have no choice but to add Berseria stuff in it. Zestiria literally can't stand on it's own without modifications. Which is kinda sad because the so called hype up culmination of the 20th anniversary of the Tales series is such garbage that it needs to be modify heavily to look good.
Well that's what happens when a game gets heavily modified last minute by a meddling producer. It needs re-modification for it to work. That's what Berseria and and Zestiria the X are.
All in all Zestiria is a prime example of why one person shouldn't be given too much power, especially a producer.
Yet Berseria also has to take the blunt on restoring people faith in the Tales series as well because of Zestiria mistake. Zestiria caused more harmed then good to the fan-base by existing.
It wasn't really Zestiria that caused the problem but rather Baba and his constant meddling. Remember Berseria is literally made by the same people who made Zestiria only difference is that it was made without any of Baba's influence.
The fact that most of Zestiria's problems can be boiled down to one character that was forcefully added in by Baba says a lot.
Berseria made the setting interesting. But, Zestiria take on it was incredibly boring. If they still intend to use the same setting one more time I want them to do it in a far distant future. They shouldn't have any restriction on what they write like with Berseria because of certain events that happen in Zesteria. After that I want no more of that setting.
I think that the only way to really get people back on board with Zestiria world would be to make the anime radically different from the game.
One thing I think would work would be if they had all of Rose's contradictions hit her head on and had her turn into a hellion. This episode is a step in the right direction and if they continue it then they'll do good.
>Laphi joins the party
>Whenever he info dumps for the party he does it while sitting on Lailah's lap and having her pat his head
Just started watching this on a whim without knowing anything about the game.
Those hips, man.
>There are people still arguing tales of Zestria isn't AOTS masterpiece
I was stoned throughout this episode. My emotions bursting, and maybe it was the first time in my life that I thought "Oh fuck, let's just do it". Pretty much the pinnacle of greek style story. I like Ufotable now
Mikleo is best.
So what happens next episode/s? I heard that
Mikleo comes back and wants to be a sub-lord to Sorey now that he has a bow and a way to help him but Sorey pretty much tells him to go back to the kitchen and he will handle this so Mikleo punches himIs this true?
That's basically mix of everything that's happened in the game, manga and maybe even the novel. The anime probably won't go in the fight direction.
In the game and manga, Alisha is Sorey's squire at this point, and Sorey is suffering from it because her resonance is too low. He actually goes blind in one eye and doesn't tell anyone, but Mikleo notices. In the manga, Mikleo punches him by coming at him through his blind spot, essentially proving to Sorey that he's not doing okay at all.In the anime none of that's likely to happen because Alisha isn't Sorey's squire and there's probably not enough time, or a good enough reason for her to become one.
We don't really know if their reunion will have an argument or if it'll be a happy one. I'd guess happy, but if the anime plays out like the game Sorey might not want Mikleo as his sublord for his own safety, which could lead to an argument, but not Mikleo punching him in the face. Either way the episode's going to be pretty
This is flirting.
What the fuck.
Most probably Sorey would just say "I'm happy you're tagging along Mikleo!" and move on.
I really get the vibes that Mikleo cares about Sorey a lot more than the reverse. We haven't seen Sorey do one nice thing for Mikleo.
In the manga Mikleo is actually Sorey's catalyst for amatization in general. Manga Sorey is very preoccupied with the idea of Mikleo's safety, but at the same time also wasn't fond of the idea of being separated from him. Which is why he's so quick to change his tune when Mikleo comes back.
In the anime Mikleo is already separated from Sorey for a while so he might not be quick to deny him.
They're HomOTP, haven't you heard?
Thanks anon. I read stuff around but I wasn't sure what the course of events were. I hope they won't get to fight but I would also like to see if they have things they don't agree with and how they overcome it.
I wouldn't say that the moment he found out that Mikleo left without him his first reaction to freak out and try to chase after him.
According to ufotable tweet in order to figure out Sorey's feelings you have to pay close attention to his behavior in episode 7 and the images shown during their separation. From that it's safe to say that he thinks about Mikleo just as much as Mikleo thinks about him.
> I really get the vibes that Mikleo cares about Sorey a lot more than the reverse. We haven't seen Sorey do one nice thing for Mikleo.
Really? I never got this vibe with them. I just see Mikleo more as insecure and worrywart about things that have to do with Sorey and their difference in him being a Seraph and Sorey a Human. To me both look as they care equally about the other.
it'd be pretty weird if the anime completely ignores Sorey's fixation on Mikleo's safety and choice to follow him down the path of the shepherd, but anime Sorey might be so happy to have Mikleo back that the fight might not happen, so i don't know.
i'd disagree about Sorey not caring about Mikleo as much. he just shows it in a different way than Mikleo does. in the other versions he's very concerned with Mikleo's safety. the anime shows them with him being concerned for Mikleo's well being in Ladylake, where the malevolence is high. also, there's that scene when he wakes up and Mikleo's left. i think if it'd been up to Sorey he would have followed Mikleo immediately, but as the shepherd he can't just do what he wants anymore. then there was all that heavy handed moon stuff that was apparently a love declaration in Japanese, so...
I have a strong feeling the unnamed writers for this show includes the writer of Berseria/Zestiria game in some function. Unless some writer actually played an early release or read all the scripts from the game, this seems only something the actual writer would have remembered to include.
>Edna and Alisha will meet next week
>Alisha won't be able to see her so there will be little to no bullying
>but anime Sorey might be so happy to have Mikleo back that the fight might not happen, so i don't know.
I think that's exactly what going to happen, that's essentially the reason why he was so ready to accept Mikleo's wishes in the game and manga.
The remix of Zaveid's theme was nice during his intro and the tiny bit of the earth temple theme was a nice touch for Edna too. I kinda want to hear the full piano version of Zaveid's theme though
But the thing is, if Mikleo was in Sorey's position and one morning suddenly Sorey fucked off to god-knows-where, I really don't think that he would be so accepting of the fact that Sorey is doing his own thing, probably endangering himself. I can't see Mikleo not follow after Sorey, whereas the opposite happened so very easily.
Even in the manga/game, I believe Sorey's reason for not wanting to involve Mikleo wasn't so much that he's concerned for his safety but rather because he doesn't want Mikleo to go on a journey for a dream that's not his.
Yeah just overall I get the imbalance in their interactions somehow? Feels like it's a little bit unrequited.
I suppose that's going to make it seem like Sorey doesn't care at all, though. He's taking all but giving nothing in this relationship with Mikleo. Poor Meebo.
Poor Meebo, while he's away his husbando is at play building a harem.
Sorey's a slut for handholding desu
i get what you mean... i really think Sorey probably would have chased after Mikleo, if he hadn't been the shepherd, but Mikleo wouldn't have left in that case, either.
it really does feel unequal, and Mikleo does come across as extremely devoted to Sorey, who doesn't reciprocate to nearly the same degree. but he also doesn't get much of a chance to do so, at least in the game. Sorey's focus is on doing his duty as the shepherd and that's pretty much all he does, with the occasional detour to nerd out about ruins. Mikleo's total focus is supporting Sorey. things might be more equal between them without the shepherd's mantle getting in the way.
Symmone's not even the best 1000 year old loli in her own game. why play for her instead of Edna?
but really, don't play the game for her, she's barely in it and the parts she is in are kind of bad.
I'm sorry anon, but I really disagree with you here.
>But the thing is, if Mikleo was in Sorey's position and one morning suddenly Sorey fucked off to god-knows-where, I really don't think that he would be so accepting of the fact that Sorey is doing his own thing, probably endangering himself. I can't see Mikleo not follow after Sorey, whereas the opposite happened so very easily.
Sorey was about to do the same exact thing as we saw and he panicked overall, but he decided to trust Mikleo and believe he will come back. He said so himself, that there is a big reason for Mikleo to leave him like that and Sorey trusts him with whatever that is. Also, as the other anon said, Sorey is a Shepherd, he also has other responsibilities to attend to. I really didn't see Sorey leave it so easily.
Maybe you are confusing obsession over rolyalty and trust? You don't need to be and think 24/7 over someone else. They think they most of the other but they are not obessed and they don't have to at the end of the day. This is not their relationship.
>Even in the manga/game, I believe Sorey's reason for not wanting to involve Mikleo wasn't so much that he's concerned for his safety but rather because he doesn't want Mikleo to go on a journey for a dream that's not his.
Not for me. It was clearly because Sorey was concerned. And you make it sound like Sorey is a big egocentric who thinks of Mikleo as a standard in his life and when Mikleo doesn't do as he wants to, then he gets angry. It's more a thing of clush of ideals and worry at the end rather than Sorey thinking like that.
>Yeah just overall I get the imbalance in their interactions somehow? Feels like it's a little bit unrequited.
Each to their own, I guess. Sure they have their problems but they grew up together and build trust, royalty, bonds, friendship, love etc. They express it in a different way and that's why because they are different personalities.
He would have accepted it just like Sorey accepted Mikleo's decision. Something to remember is that the two of them are on the same wavelength. Hell if Mikleo was really going to have a problem with Sorey heading into dangerous situations then he would be against the very notion of Sorey becoming a shepherd, but he isn't. Also Mikleo taking the initiative and not even bothering to argue with Sorey on the subject shows Sorey just how serious Mikleo is about it
In the manga it's actually a combination of Sorey wanting to protect Mikleo and also wanting Mikleo to be free to do as he pleases. In both however, Mikleo goes to Lailah first in front of Sorey and asks to become a sub lord and Sorey is allowed to deny Mikleo. However anime Mikleo never even gave Sorey any time to deny him.
They're pretty balanced overall, it's not like the manga/game because Sorey's reactions is being understanding and accepting of Mikleo's wishes.
>I suppose that's going to make it seem like Sorey doesn't care at all, though. He's taking all but giving nothing in this relationship with Mikleo. Poor Meebo.
Just the opposite, Sorey normally would be against Mikleo fighting at all. But he's also a bit selfish when it comes to Mikleo's attentions. It's strange but Mikleo really is the only person that Sorey expresses any level of selfishness towards. Sorey likes to be around Mikleo, he wants to be around Mikleo that's why after Mikleo separates from him after Sorey denies him, Sorey is so willing to listen to Mikleo.
>Sorey was about to do the same exact thing as we saw and he panicked overall, but he decided to trust Mikleo and believe he will come back. He said so himself, that there is a big reason for Mikleo to leave him like that and Sorey trusts him with whatever that is. Also, as the other anon said, Sorey is a Shepherd, he also has other responsibilities to attend to. I really didn't see Sorey leave it so easily.
This, Sorey's freak out and the water falling on his cloak forcing Sorey to calm down was pretty much just they're to imply that he did want to go chase after Mikleo bit couldn't because he was the Shepherd. He was forced to look at the situation pragmatically and accept Mikleo's decision.
>And you make it sound like Sorey is a big egocentric who thinks of Mikleo as a standard in his life and when Mikleo doesn't do as he wants to, then he gets angry.
Isn't he kind of like that though? He demands Mikleo to make desserts for him, feed him, in return what does Meebo get? Even during the opening of the OVA / anime when we first see them, seems like Sorey is always one step ahead deciding where they should be going and Mikleo is just dutifully following him 3 steps behind. If Sorey were the one left behind while Mikleo sleeps for eternity, I don't doubt that he wouldn't have been as loyal as Mikleo waiting for his return.
>But he's also a bit selfish when it comes to Mikleo's attentions. It's strange but Mikleo really is the only person that Sorey expresses any level of selfishness towards. Sorey likes to be around Mikleo, he wants to be around Mikleo
I'm curious as to where you get the idea that Sorey craves for Mikleo's attention. He seemed pretty okay with leaving him behind in Izuchi, having Mikleo tag along with him seemed more like a nice bonus to him instead of a necessity. When he temporarily couldn't see Seraphs too - he didn't seem too conflicted about it whereas we know from Edna that Mikleo looked like he was about to cry.
To be honest their dynamics are more like, "Sorey lives life however he wants while taking Mikleo for granted."
Edna isn't really much of a loli. I get that numerical age doesn't stop someone from being a loli, but it's evident from her swimsuit costume that she has a post-pubescent body. She doesn't have a childish personality either.
She comes across as an unfortunately short and flat teenager to me. If she weren't a seraph and I had to guess her age from her appearance and behaviour I'd say somewhere around 15-19.
>Isn't he kind of like that though? He demands Mikleo to make desserts for him, feed him, in return what does Meebo get?
No? He doesn't demand shit. Mikleo does it because he wants to and he knows Sorey likes it. If Sorey asks for them it's not because he is demanding and egocentric but because he genuily likes what Mikleo makes and that makes both of them happy.
>Even during the opening of the OVA / anime when we first see them, seems like Sorey is always one step ahead deciding where they should be going and Mikleo is just dutifully following him 3 steps behind.
I really don't see them like this. They both love exploring ruins or going anywhere. Mikleo doesn't do it out of duty or only because Sorey likes it. He is selfish as well here and he also wants to explore and nerd around. Sorey is more likely to go outside in the human world as we saw rather than Mikleo is.
>If Sorey were the one left behind while Mikleo sleeps for eternity, I don't doubt that he wouldn't have been as loyal as Mikleo waiting for his return.
Nope. Never for me. He loves Mikleo and he would wait. He trusts Mikleo and he is royal to him. He would be happy to have Mikleo back.
I really don't see why their different personalities and attitudes makes you think they are not royal and trustworthy for the other. Sorey loves Mikleo. He cares about him, he is worried. His fucking dream is to explore the world alongside Mikleo and it's not because he demands it from Mikleo but is a genuine wish that he wants to do something alongside his most important person.
>I'm curious as to where you get the idea that Sorey craves for Mikleo's attention.
The fact that he outright says that he's always had Mikleo and expresses the fact that he is in fact lonely with out him, and also the way how he was welling to accept Mikleo's decision only after gaunt separated from him shows a certain level of selfishness on Sorey's part. Sorey sneaks off because he doesn't want to bother them with his decision, and Mikleo decides to go with him because he knows that Sorey might not return to Izuchi. It's very different from Mikleo's separating from Sorey because Sorey knows that that separation is only temporary.
>When he temporarily couldn't see Seraphs too - he didn't seem too conflicted about it whereas we know from Edna that Mikleo looked like he was about to cry.
That actually has nothing to do with Sorey himself but rather a cause of him not being given any time to absorb the situation because of Rose. Her interferrence gave him no room to think about it. And even then before blacking out he kept calling out for Mikleo, Lailah, and Edna.
Or seems as though you don't the character on the fundamental level.
LRD pls. Sorey and Alisha are of teen age and Edna is a child compared to them.
>No? He doesn't demand shit. Mikleo does it because he wants to and he knows Sorey likes it. If Sorey asks for them it's not because he is demanding and egocentric but because he genuily likes what Mikleo makes and that makes both of them happy.
There's actually a skit in the game where Mikleo outright says that he decided to learn how to cook because Sorey often forgot to eat, and that Mikleo dies it because he likes it. Sorey never asked him of anything, Mikleo decided it on his own. Anon claiming that Sorey demanded anything shows their lack of understanding of both Sorey and Mikleo.
Yeah, I know about that one. The thing is anon believes that everything Mikleo does is for Sorey's happiness and egocentrism while Sorey doesn't give back half of this and takes Mikleo for granted because he is so nice to him.
For this to happen it would mean Mikleo is miserable and he is holding on Sorey for a false happiness because he is dependant on him and has nothing else going on in his life. He is second MC and he mostly supports Sorey, that much is a given, but he is his own person at the end.
I get that everyone has different interpretations of their relationship and how they view so I'm only expressing my opinion here. I can't force them to change theirs for mine or the opposite. If they choose to see their relationship like that, so be it.
I wonder how she manages to look younger than Mikleo if she's older than him. Is it explained in the game?
i don't remember if there's basis for this from the game, but i assumed Edna stays like she is because of Eizen. like Mikleo, who didn't want to get much bigger or grow older than Sorey
while he sleeps, Edna doesn't want to grow much and be unrecognizable to Eizen.
but then i've also heard the explanation that seraphim stop growing when they reach their peak power. her true name is even Early Bloomer Edna, so that would make sense on its own too.
What is this face trying to convey?
Edna is the best.
I would have expected Meebo to be the girl of their relationship.
>This artist mostly draws Edna
He knows how to get to my dick.
Its explained that the Seraphim take the form of what they feel or imagine themselves to look like or some bullshit like that.
Edna feels like a little sister to Eizen so she takes the form of a little girl. Meebo is Sorey's brother so he fills the form to match sorey's age.
Next you're gonna say Lloyd liked Zelos more than Colette.
Daily reminder that Mikleo is never once called Sorey's brother both by the staff and in the game itself, the belief is a interpretation from westerners that's entirely unsupported.
> Meebo is Sorey's brother so he fills the form to match sorey's age.
>all the faggots are from SEA
This explains everything actually.
That's because they're different mediums. You can't really split up the group in the game unless you like dying a lot, so you have to trudge through each plot one at a time while the anime don't need to care about the game over screen and can tackle multiple mundane plots at the same time.
Mikleo wins the Soreybowl every time. How does that make you feel?
Because in NA destiny2 is actually eternia. Copy write from the faggots of grey castle prevented them from using the name in the west so they used destiny 2 instead over here.
Destiny 2 over in jp is a different game entirely and it is a sequel to destiny.
Is simply just a fact. Even the fucking Nip Otaku know don't believe that shit. So when you make that claim you're essentially just trying to push your headcanon on other people.
Why is it called pushing your headcanon to people when someone argues that Sorey and Mikleo are like brothers, but not so when some shipperfag says they're in love with each other? What is this hypocrisy?
Just ignore it like i am. It works better than giving them (You)s.
Its the same hypocrisy when people argue they are brothers but they would still call them endgame if Mikleo was girl. The gender makes the difference in interpretation here, especially among male fans, because they are not comfortable with a BL relationship so its easier for them to call them brothers than support a homo pairing.
That's called double standards and it's prevalent in our society. Many Tales games have the benefit of the doubt between a male x female end pairing because the story often gives something to support it, e.g. Lloyd x Colette and Luke x Tear.
What Sorey and Mikleo have is close childhood friend, brotherly relationship, and precious to each other, but nothing concrete to suggest gay love. That's just what the story depicted them as. But Namco didn't want want to upset the BL fans that made up a huge bulk of the ToZ fandom, so they kept the end vague to give the possibility that could have hooked up as gay lovers in the future. Or maybe not.
Some people claim that there is a scene in-game in which Sorey claims to be in love with someone but that he won't say who this person is. They add this to shit like this >>146437296 >>146437339 and then you have the ending of the game. Even if you don't ship them is quite difficult to not see them as a couple even if it not outright stated. There is also that staff member saying something about subtle romance but saying that there's not male x female romance.
So /a/nons, who is best girl of the season and why is it Edna?
Because they aren't called that in game or by the staff, in fact they go out of their way to not call them that, but at the same time they do things like give Mikleo titles such as Sorey's "One and Only" and that skit where they imply that Sorey is in love but won't say who it is as well as various other things in the meta narrative.
In other words one interpretation has some backing and other only has headcanon, and headcanon that's only prevalent in the Western fandom mind you.
And yet Westerns are the only ones to hold that belief. If they really wanted people to think of it that way then they would have done so, hell done it in the past, but they've avoided here.
Velvet is superior.
Because both Alisha, Rose, and Edna were all debunked in the game itself. Alisha and Rose doubly so in the staff interview.
And he's not close enough to Lailah for it to be her.
If there is nothing concrete to suggest homosexual love between them according to you, then what hints it is brotherly? We can agree it's best friends for sure, because this is what they are first presented in the game. But they have never called the other as "brother" nor addressed that way by the staff as well. If you want to think of them as brothers, do so, but you have nothing to back up that claim in the story other than your own interpretation.
>But Namco didn't want want to upset the BL fans that made up a huge bulk of the ToZ fandom, so they kept the end vague to give the possibility that could have hooked up as gay lovers in the future. Or maybe not.
Oh yes, it's definately because of that. Le poor BL fans won't give us their fujobucks. You do know, they could still make SoreyxFemaleCharacter canon, and fujos would still ship him with Mikleo, right? Because at least in Japan fujos don't really care If one of the male characters or both are with other girls, they still go and ship them.
I can agree they kept it vague but not because of your reason. Rather, they are still not in position to have an outright canon homo pairing that has both of their male MCs together. It's not so easily accepted there nor here.
And as this anon said >>146439424 there is that skit with Zaveid in the game in which Sorey more or less says "there is something to call that (romance)" and Mikleo proceeds to say they won't tell Zaveid because he is a gossip, promoting Zaveid to reply he will support them in any case. Also, the staff never denied romance in the game if you know. They said is subtle and m/f romance won't work for Sorey.
Do you have someone else in mind that Sorey has a close relationship with that would allow you to say he loves them romantically instead of Mikleo?
Best Tales girl by far in my book. But I would hesitate to call her best girl of the season because Kuro shares the same season with her.
It also puts a damper on an interpretation when it's from a translated work and the people in the the work's country of origin don't sign up to it to that particular interpretation.
That's not how it works, retarded shipper. You don't even have any real evidence to support the contrary to what the story showed us. Ambiguity is the best you have. Twisting every little thing you could find from outside what the game showed is pure shipper delusion hoping their headcanon becomes realized.
Except they do, and also the fact that people in the work's country of origin support their particular interpretation but not your own speaks volumes for how you're supposed to see the work.
It's, your interpreatation is the one that is unsupported by the game itself, the staff and the people in the country of origin that the game comes from but is only supported by people outside of one country says a lot about it's credibility or rather lack thereof. It's like this anon stated.>>146440090
You have nothing to argument besides your own interpretation.
fucking THIS. there's always going to be people who see them as friends no matter how blatant the subtext. there's always going to be people who ship it because there's a ton of blatant subtext. can't we all just get along and shitpost about Rose instead?
>can't we all just get along and shitpost about Rose instead?
I support this motion.
I hope the anime humbles her down / doesn't justify her wrongdoings and actually hints at her being a psycho. But I wonder how that will affect the ending aka Rose taking up the Shepherd's role after Sorey left.
Vague interpretations that neither denies or confirms to keep shippers happy, but it's still not a YES does not prove the contrary. It's hilarious how Namco are craft enough to satisfy delusional shippers who are happy to get little scraps that doesn't amount to canon confirmation.
It's easier said than done because their relationship is the most important and explored in the game, so you will both sides accept and deny facts according to their own ideas.
It's fine to me giving opinions and such, it's more fun that way for a thread instead of shitposting.
>can't we all just get along and shitpost about Rose instead?
Ok, anon tell me what do you hate about Rose? Voice your opinion, don't hold back.
But I like Rose.
As vague as these interpetations are, they still heavily lean on to the side of canon for the pairing even if the devs can't outirght say it because of the reaction to a canon MCs homo pairing. That's the thing most of you don't realize: It's not that they let it vague because they want to feed on fantasies from fujos or even give the other shippers any hint for their pairings. They can't because of the reactions it would cause in the fandom knowing the majority wouldn't accept it as easily.
So, it's easier for them to give subtle big hints that confirm something for the reason I listed above.
That's just because Westerners don't appreciate the art of subtlety. Having a "homo end" that everybody can joke about because Mikleo was the only person in the running for the Sorey bowl is much better than the writers actually confirming to fans that they're hard gay for each other. I mean, where's the fun in the latter?
>tell me what do you hate about Rose?
she's a Mary Sue, that's enough for me. but i also hate that's she's always right, and she made the homos apologize to her during their tragic backstory flashback. and i really hate how the game turns into 'Rose is so great!' in most of the skits for the first few hours after she joins the party. technically i guess it's just poor writing, but it was still really frustrating.
kind of agree, though i think she looks a lot better in her merchant outfit.
i like Lailah but it's mostly because of her design, her puns, and her obsession with Armadylan. anime seems to be treating her better, hope she gets unfucked in it.
About what? She doesn't really have a character beyond cute and nice princess. At least with Rose you can shitpost about how obviously she was shoehorned into the game.
Anon if a creator intentionally includes blatant subtext then it is intentional for you for the person consuming to see and draw conclusions, based on that subtext, then that's not being delusional anon, far from it. Being delusional means that you're seeing something that isn't there but the simple that something is there means than anyone drawing conclusions based on that isn't being delusional, because they're actually drawing a conclusion based on something that is actually there.
However, you're doing the opposite you're making an interpretation based on nothing but you're how you wish to see things.
And again the fact that people in the game's country of origin don't even support it says a lot about its lack of credibility. You can keep believing that they're like siblings all you want but just know that it's unsupported by everyone and thing that matters.
They could have Lailah choose someone else, but I doubt they'll do that.
I guess each to their own at the end? I mean I appreciate both, but I understand the differences in culture make people appreciate different stuff in literature or any form of writing and art.
Japan likes vague and fantasies. That is because it allows them to have their own thoughts about said pairing that is not pure romance stuff as in a BL/GL story. It's more fun for them that way and a reason why so many female readers eat up WSJ or even seinen eg Berserk.
West likes it's clear cut endings that don't leave anything vague, especially towards romance. There is a reason they are not many shipping wars in the Japanese side, aside love triangles and harems in which case is about "best girl/waifu", rather than here in which everything regarding romance should be very clear from start to finish.
>Ok, anon tell me what do you hate about Rose? Voice your opinion, don't hold back.
Rose is the quintessential self-insert Mary Sue, complete with bullshit reasons for why everyone thinks that she's so great.
It is ugly, it's just so phoned in that you can see the obvious lack of effort in it.
How the fuck did the writers think it was a good idea to shoehorn a new unlikeable character into the party and make her have the same abilities as the MC, even though MC is supposed to be special?
Is it just me or does it feel weird to see Mikleo armatize with someone else aside from Sorey? Feels somewhat like cheating.
That kind of reminds me of what happened in Macross Frontier, to the Nips it was obvious that Sheryl and Alto had sex, but to westerners it wasn't because it wasn't outright stated.
It's also for this reason why the love triangle debate for FVII is still going strong in the minds of westerners, despite Nips considering it to be over for from the end of the end of disc 3.