Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1653

>>146406245
I see >>146404964 as :

いい加減に（しま）せんか
With （しま） being omitted because she was startled and started yelling. I can't see it in any other way.

If I'm wrong then please explain it to me.

So I'm new to anki: is there a way to have the question as the japanese audio and the answer as the definition? All the shared decks I've tried seem to have the japanese text as the question? Is there a button to swap this for an entire deck, or practice this way temporarily?

>>146406583
気にせんでええよ

赤ちゃん出来るくらいいっぱい私の中に出して

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Today I decided that if I want to get some actual reading done, I needed to separate myself from the company. So I took my kindle and went into a room with no computer and no TV. I read for about 30 minutes then fell asleep for 3 hours. Not quite what I expected.

>>146406683
Yes
Just take a day to read through http://ankisrs.net/docs/manual.html it will be worth it in the long term

>>146406750
>company

I meant computer.

>>146406750
次スレから離れて

>>146406583
That's wrong. せん is a conjugation of する in itself, there's no しません there. Originally, the conjugation should be せぬ (which means the same as しない) but the ぬ often gets slurred to simply ん.

See >>146406689 for an example.

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Even Japanese highschoolers don't know how to write kanjis. How am I supposed to do better than them?

>>146406583
If you're new you shouldn't give advice.

>>146406926
by staying cooped up in your moms house like a boring fuck instead of playing outside and enjoying your 青春

>>146406926
In this case they don't know 齋

>行脚

>>146406841
Guy who asked that question here.
I still don't get the main meaning, but I'll try to understand.
Thanks for trying to help.

>暗愚

>>146406926
>writing
>2016
anon pls

>無暗

>〆

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm8197817

this is my 入場テーマ when i come to djt

>>146407211
いい加減にする is a very common expression meaning something like "to cut it out", don't overthink why it is so, just take it as one big verb. Then, when put that expression in the negative and add a か it becomes a request or order, いい加減にしないか, literally "won't you cut it out?"

That character switches the しない for せん, but those are synonyms so the switch does nothing to change the meaning of the expression. It's just a different speech pattern that can maybe tell you something about who the speaker is, for example, some dialects always use せん instead of しない, I'd guess that character speaks in kansai-ben.

>>146407770
That's what I had put down as a guesstimate to recheck at the end of everything. Yay.

There's still other things I need to figure out like 「ぱないの！」. At some point I'll become better, hopefully. I thought this will be the easiest one so far to TL, with its low detail art style, but nope.

additionally if youre looking for a good and easy visual game with lots of speech patterns try out うたわれるもの

>>146407770
>I'd guess that character speaks in kansai-ben.
Possible but unlikely. It's just that, as you probably know, Tokyo/standard dialects borrows a lot of aspects of kansai-ben for "angry" or "manly" speech (and they become modified a bit from the kansai usages)

>>146407913
http://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/%E3%81%B1%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84%E3%81%AE%21

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Im having trouble with Rikaisama Anki auto import
Whenever I press R on a word it will either do nothing or say "note added" but nothing is ever added.
Ive tried everything by now: Restarting Pc, reinstalling both Anki and Rikaisama, following the install guide word for word and mirroring my options with the pictures.


Can anybody help?

>>146408038
That's very specific, as it is Shinobu, thank you.

>>146407913
>TL
I hope that translating you mean reading and understanding.

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kek

>>146407770
>いい加減にせんか
First time seeing this, weird.

イカげんにして爆笑

>>146408286
If you think about it, for every word in the Japanese language that you know there was a first time you saw it. Just blew your mind, didn't I?

>>146408350
それイカゲソの読み間違いのではなくて？

>>146406841
>>146407770
>せん is a conjugation of する in itself
Where can one learn this? None of the grammar materials I read had this. I'm confused. It's just rare dialect or something?

>>146408435
Thing is it's not a vocab problem here it's a weird conjugation one.

And aren't you tired of being condescending to everyone whenever they dare showing weakness?

>>146408457
いイカげんにしてゲソ

>>146408228
Reading, understanding, being able to write it out in english. Somehow people like my end result, even though to me it looks like I fucked up hard, but they like it and say it's correct, so I guess we're all wrong.
I'm pretty tired right now though, sorry for having to ask questions.

>>146408483
I don't know, I just sort of picked up this stuff along the way by looking up grammar I didn't understand on the internet, or simply figuring it out from repeated exposition.

>>146408483
This >>146408691 I just read more desu

>>146406765
Ok, worked it out. Shame for decks with subdecks you must edit each individual subdeck, unless you know another method (can't find one in the manual).

Now to make the fonts not look like shit...

>>146408691
>>146409050
Will do. Cheers.

>>146408134
There was a guy in the last thread with this problem, I think he fixed it by making sure there was at least one card in the deck he was trying to import to. But I wasn't really paying attention, so I might be wrong.

私の肛門が喋ってる

>>146409567
haha i learned a naughty word look at me mommy!

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>>146408134
>>146409149
Your card template is blank or messed up. Adding a card doesn't actually fix the problem, but people don't realize what the problem is until they try adding a card manually.

>>146408483
>Where can one learn this?
The Dictionary of Japanese Grammar series have concept entries which go over such irregular conjugations. Here is one such example:
Concept:
http://bunpou.neocities.org/中級編intermediate.html# ぬ
Note image:
http://bunpou.neocities.org/Intermediateぬ.png

>>146409786
For some reason the direct entry link didn't work when not posting the messy url version.
http://bunpou.neocities.org/%E4%B8%AD%E7%B4%9A%E7%B7%A8intermediate.html#%E3%8A%A5%20%E3%81%AC

>>146409609
あたしに新しい禁句教えてくんない

>>146409941
就職

>>146410023
そんなのいらない金持ちですから

>>146409786
>>146409882
Thanks. I should go and read them eventually. I finished Tae Kim and was reading Imabi recently.

>>146410023
youtu.be/tRxlierbNZQ#t=14

>>146410221
You may find the DoJG Anki deck useful if that is the case.
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/5c8bcxp9cxu0i/dicitonary_of_japanese_grammar_anki_deck

>>146410239
That sounds fucking horrible.

>>146409786
There's no word of せん in there though. Just ぬ.

Am I missing something?

>>146410221
>I finished Tae Kim

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/negativeverbs2

>>146410305
Yeah I'm aware of the deck, cheers.

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>>146410371
Pic related, but please refer back to anon's explanation here: >>146406841
>the ぬ often gets slurred to simply ん.

>>146410419
Oh well my bad. Completely forgot that.

>>146410371
As anon said earlier せん is from せぬ.

日本語ができんか

そして、俺の名を昔のように呼び捨てではなく、『朋也くん』とくん付けで呼び、言動に他人行儀を感じさせるようになった。

What's with the
>『朋也くん』とくん

とくん？

I'm so lost.

>>146410622
呼び捨て
くん付け

>>146409729
>>146409149
Thanks guys. Its working now

>>146410622
>『朋也くん』と
>くん付けで呼び

>「くん」を付けでよび

>>146410622
and kun

>>146410622
It means he's named くん and he wants you to add くん when spoken to.

So 朋也くんくん.

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Sigh, don't ever quit you guys.
I had a 80% retention at 30 new cards a day before I quit for 2 months and now I'm in this shitty situation.
By the way, those 399 mature cards are the really easy ones like 母、赤、妹、今日 and so on.

>>146410657
>>146410670
>>146410694

So he's emphasizing that he's now being called くん?

>>146410704

But it's not his name.

>>146410750
>But it's not his name.
It is now.

im glad 麻枝 准s out of the hospital guys maybe he can finally make clannad 2

>>146410802
I didn't even know he was in the hospital. What happened to him?

>>146410848
he caught his own key aids but they found the cure he just has to stop making anime

i cant believe i decided to dig up the tweet for you but here you go bro

https://twitter.com/jun_tenhou/status/749084173260845057

>>146410750
>そして、俺の名を昔のように呼び捨てではなく、
And then, instead of using my first name without an honorific (呼び捨て) like she used to a long time ago,
>『朋也くん』とくん付けで呼び、
she called me "Tomoya-kun," with a -kun at the end (くん付け),
>言動に他人行儀を感じさせるようになった。
And made it so that one feels a sense of distance in her behavior.

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>>146411098

Yes. Thanks. This makes sense. Have a tomato for your efforts.

>>146411197
does it really

will you actually be able to do anything as a result of being spoon fed a line

>>146411289

Yes. It actually does make sense now. Before he broke it down like that I could not figure it out and now I feel like an idiot for not seeing it that way. In the future I won't make that mistake.

Thank you for your positive insights in this matter.

>>146410970
Thanks.
>病名は突発性拡張型心筋症です。
That's a pretty long name.

>>146411436
its less complicated to me than what you would call it in english

>>146411560
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiomyopathy if I'm not mistaken.

>>146411436
I assume he meant 特発性

>>146411718
Yeah that's what googled bolded in for me so I think that's it too.

>>146411715
well yeah you can just call it 心筋症 and call it a day but i mean like even then 心筋症 makes more sense to me than cardiomyopathy

what the fuck is a myopathy anyway..

>>146411718
>>146411770
flaming june doesnt make typos boys

>>146411925
>cardio
heart
>myo
muscle
>pathy
disease

Gee willickers

>>146411999
feel free to tell me what the fuck it means then because paroxysmal dilated cardiomyopathy isn't a thing

>>146412003
yeah but where do you see myo and pathy used normally as opposed to the normal kanji..

you can try to fuck with me but you know where im comin from

>tfw absolutely no drive to read anything
love it

>>146412045
It makes more sense to you because you know Kanji but not Greek.

Long term, are there any notable drawbacks to focusing on words instead of isolated kanji other than what is listed in the guide (notably the inability to write, decreased vocabulary retention)?

I see pretty much everywhere recommending Core2k so clearly the word approach is popular. Has anyone here been studying the other way?

>>146412045
Psychopath and sociopath are extremely common words. I agree that the myo is not as common.

>>146412042
>the myocardium is dila- wait, now it's not

>>146412347
drawbacks depend on what your goals are

youre not gonna lose braincells and get rectal cancer if you study kanjis 1 at a time however you may waste a shit load of your time depending on what your goals are

>>146412347
just subscribe to wanikani like all the successful learners

>>146412388
yeah i guess so but i guess i always looked at those two words in particular as one thing not made up of components

Why is 来ぬ pronounced きぬ and not こぬ?

>>146412562
says who

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>>146412562
check ur source

>>146412347
I studied both in parallel. Recommended.

>>146412496
Well English makes things out of Latin and Greek roots just like Japanese makes things out of Chinese roots.

>>146412562
＊タイラーキムの本を顔に投げられた＊

>>146412686
yeah i was intentionally alluding to kanji

>>146412605
the first verse of the japanese translation of the Internationale, for one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqxRT081miE

>>146412562
来ぬ[キヌ] is the name of a kid who's parents were too poor to afford an abortion so they decided to vent their frustrations on the child they did not want to have to raise.

>>146412562
>>146413044
http://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/3179316.html

>>146412562
continuative き + archaic negation ぬ
きぬ　＝　きた
こぬ　＝　こない

>>146413340
so 来ぬ is both きぬ and こぬ

>>146413044
This is classical grammar, not the modern 来ぬ.

>>146413340
And it's not the negative ぬ, that's modern Japanese again. The auxiliary verb ぬ is perfective in classical grammar.

So 暁がは来ぬ is actually 暁が来た in this case.

>>146413395
きぬ、のきは来の連用形＋完了の助動詞ぬ
こぬ、のこは来の未然形＋打消しの助動詞ずの連体形

>>146412605
>>146412621
And you treated me as if I were an idiot.

Cunts.

>>146413461
Because you didn't tell us you were citing something from a source written in 文語, you ass.

>>146413461
i mean you gave no context what did you expect it would have been obvious what it was if you had

cunt

>>146413461
These are things you are better off going a google search for, anon. These threads, being a general, attract shitposters who will look for any reason to shitpost.

how do you call someone a cunt in japanese anyway like really call them a stupid fuckin cunt

>>146413605
call them a 西洋人

>>146413461
I was just trying to meme you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-Z9lTUu3e8

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>literally can't tell the difference between ai and ae no matter how much I try

Dekinai desu

>>146413605
君はエースツーピッドファッキングカントでございます

>>146413948
ai is more of a dipthong

>>146413986
ありがとう助かる

>>146413948

B-but yours is the drill that will pierce the heavens!

>can't put some sentences in yotsubato together
Dekinai

>>146413999
youtu.be/Oai1V7kaFBk#t=24

i used to listen to this while installing the freshest エロゲ off the cd-rom in 1999

>>146413948
What >>146413999 said. With あい the two vowels sort of blend in with each other while あえ has a sharper distinction between the two.

>>146414233
So the difference between ah-eh and I?
I don't really hear it much listening to jap.

>>146413948
how are you with お and おう

バード！あなたの肩には、より新しい貴族が木立の中付与されず、草原、牧草地、そしてキャンプで、ありません。条件が、しかし、それは難しいが、同じです。あなたは世界から離れなければならない、とだけミューズとして知ることができます。時間を知ることは、もはや公共の文字、男性の意見のおかげではありませんが、あなたはムーサからそれらを取ることです。町を通って世界から葬儀の有料の時間に対応するアイテムが、物事の自然の中で動物や植物の部族の時間の経過をカウントすることができない、と大幅に増加喜びます。それは他の人に満足してますが、そこに多くの種類の2があると、神は外に出たがっている、とあなたが話すしなければなりません。表すために、あなたとあなたの年齢の人を守るために、そして親切。他の人は素晴らしいとアクションを実行します。それは国会議事堂を我慢できない為替の性質を遅らせることにあります。見習いと宣言のは世界に満ちている、とあなたが長い時間を渡すために持っていますが、愚か者と詐欺のためということです。シースにこの画面：パン、彼が守ってきたとなたは最愛の花、太陽である、と私は自分自身があなたのために愛し慰めるます。詩を神聖な老人、そしてあなたと一緒にいる親友の名前を言うことができるしない恥を知れ。そして、これは良いですが、真であるの報酬、そして世界そのものであり、あなたがたは夏に雨のように倒れる、急性の印象は、あなたが怪我をすることができませんでした、落胆することはありません。

>>146414338
おう is just like the お sound but longer, right?

>>146414408
長すぎ読んでない

>>146414447
in that case how are you with おお and おう lol

>>146414456
笑い

>>146414505
Aren't these basically the same?

>>146414408
>>146414456

this is it in english:

O poet! a new nobility is conferred in groves and pastures, and not in castles, or by the sword-blade, any longer. The conditions are hard, but equal. Thou shalt leave the world, and know the muse only. Thou shalt not know any longer the times, customs, graces, politics, or opinions of men, but shalt take all from the muse. For the time of towns is tolled from the world by funereal chimes, but in nature the universal hours are counted by succeeding tribes of animals and plants, and by growth of joy on joy. God wills also that thou abdicate a manifold and duplex life, and that thou be content that others speak for thee. Others shall be thy gentlemen, and shall represent all courtesy and worldly life for thee; others shall do the great and resounding actions also. Thou shalt lie close hid with nature, and canst not be afforded to the Capitol or the Exchange. The world is full of renunciations and apprenticeships, and this is thine: thou must pass for a fool and a churl for a long season. This is the screen and sheath in which Pan has protected his well-beloved flower, and thou shalt be known only to thine own, and they shall console thee with tenderest love. And thou shalt not be able to rehearse the names of thy friends in thy verse, for an old shame before the holy ideal. And this is the reward: that the ideal shall be real to thee, and the impressions of the actual world shall fall like summer rain, copious, but not troublesome, to thy invulnerable essence.

>>146414332
>ah-eh and I
They're not exactly the same as how you would pronounce those in English but yeah, the distinction is something like that.

>>146414529
bless your heart dude

I remember back when I said I was going to start learning when the threads hit #1000.

>>146414574
よく考えてみると too long didnt read

>>146414620
Where are you now?

>>146414408
I was feeling pretty lazy and not wanting to mine new words for anki tomorrow, but you just supplied me enough for a few days. Thanks 相棒

>>146414592
Thanks ;_;

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>Syncing failed:
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>>146414682
I know the kana

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>>146414732
>if that bothers you get a job and move out
>take care of your health
>I personally don't think that's a bad thing but whatever
>LEARN JAPANESE YOU FAGGOT RIGHT NOW READ THE FUCKING GUIDE AND GET STARTED LIKE GOD DAMN
Everything will be 大丈夫. Life is fleeting and meaningless anyway so no matter what you do and don't do it's fine. Learning and understanding Japanese is fun so I recommend it.

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>>146415195
>AND GET STARTED LIKE GOD DAMN

>>146415195
thanks dude you know what im gonna do that let me at that guide

>>146415185
Oh and not the advanced kana like the diacritics or the ones with a little kana next to it that make a different sound

>>146415275
do you play dota dude id love to do a djt stack where we all curse each other out in whiteboy nihongo for feeding or whatever

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>>146415195
>Life is fleeting and meaningless anyway so no matter what you do and don't do it's fine.
Fucking nihilist subhuman.

>>146415195
It really is fun. Feels like I'm progressing in life too in my own neet way. Also, you must stop being fat. 100% unacceptable, go hit the fucking gym and go on a diet.

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>>146415385
You're the second person who's called me a nihilist. I'm inspired by Buddhism though. This life is an illusion and full of suffering.

But if you're going to be attached to something animu is a beautiful illusion which is why we should all learn Japanese.

>>146415515
you have to know sad to know happy dude everything is one thing not one thing or the other but all the things

also for a buddhist influenced dude you seem a little overly concerned about the self

>>146415699
A person cannot live without suffering and causing others to suffer. Only when we let go of desires can we find peace. Sure there are happy and sad things and that's what keeps us grounded but it distracts us from the reality. Obviously it is not practical to try and convince people that they should just stop caring about everything but it would be a good idea to stop caring about things you cannot control/cause you suffering.

>you're overly concerned about the self
I am? I didn't mean to come off that way but I guess the self is still on my mind a lot. It's hard to become completely detached but I'll probably get there someday.

>>146415993
It's hard to mess up a song

>>146415993
i mean its noise pollution so its less about the nihongo and more about it being gay pop trash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEjDQ7b7ieI

>>146416097
So it's good?

>>146415993
There's no such thing as gaijin utaites. That's just disgusting.

Anytime a westerner bothers to put 歌ってみた, or 踊ってみた, or any Japanese text at all for that matter in the title of their video it means that it's cancer and you have to stay away.

>>146415993
Being an insecure idiot mobileposter is more of an embarrassment than any song would be. Fuck off.

>>146416140
good enough

Nothing sounds weird enough that you couldn't convince someone it's intentional

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Finally caught up to my recognition deck. Did 125 new cards today.

>>146416432
>>146416206
i find it funny that gaijins eventually adopt the anti gaijin mentality after doing a few flashcards or whatever lol

>>146416526
very cool dude i didnt click the picture but very nice theres a spot waiting for you in tokyo when you decide to come

>>146416526
what decks do you use?

Guys i just started, i know hiragana and katakana and i just installed Anki, what decks would you recommend for begginers?

>>146416721
Yeah but all of English media was already ruined for me since I grew up speaking it so I have to search out new things despite the cost

>>146416608
6k+mining, but I already "finished" 6k.

>>146416721
life is more interesting when things are unknown and mystical

when you can properly gauge how ugly the reality is the sparkle leaves your eye and you are left in despair

>>146416755
But did learning Japanese make Japanese music and anime a little more boring?

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>>146416721
For instance. What version sounds better the original or the cover. Answer only if you know both Japanese and English.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R0gxVVR1yuc [Open]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OmxzNa8Ri4M [Open]

肛門水気

>>146416917
the english one obviously

>>146416817
Stop asking dumb questions

Am I absolutely 100% braindead baka retarded if I'm learning kanji without knowing how it's pronounced in Japanese? Like, I know what the word means in English but I don't know how to say it in Japanese. I've only been learning for a couple of weeks.

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>>146417192
No question is dumb anon. I feel sorry for you.

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>>146417040
I agree the original is great but I like the Japanese cover slightly more because it seems more mysterious because I don't know Japanese.

>>146416721
Personally I think that's bullshit. I still like the sound of Japanese in song or in anime form. If I had to name one thing that got worse it's that I now spot acting which I don't like more frequently, but that's about it. I generally think watching anime raw is a much better experience than watching it subbed.

>>146417342
i chose purely off of the musical differences the lyrics are equally gay in both

>>146417372
i mean no duh dude

reading subtitles means youre not watching the anime with full attention

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>>146417417
Thanks for your opinion anon. I'll treasure it forever.

鼠の気持ちではチーズしか得られない。　大きい獲物を得ようとするなら狼の気持ちになれ

Some advice for all you dekinais out there.

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>>146417249
>Am I absolutely 100% braindead baka retarded
yes

So which is more recommended
genki, tae kim or what?

I still don't understand what's so bad about mobileposting. Or is it a meme?

>>146417249
No, doing that is fine, but it wouldn't hurt to learn to say some words with those kanji too.

>>146417556
please refer to
>>146417538

>>146417466
You can look at it both ways though anon. Reading subs will help improve your reading level over time. If you ever have a kid you should make sure he or she watches subbed only while growing once they know the basics of reading.

>>146417556
They are both recommended.

>>146417556
They are both pretty garbage desu but at least tae kim is more to the point

>>146417680
got a better alternative?

>>146417647
Sounds like 私は自閉症

>>146417703
Don't study grammar just look up stuff that you can't figure out even after seeing it in several sentences

>>146417826
Fuck no.

>>146417766
捕まえた

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>>146417882
I didn't think it really would be. Especially when everything is usually subbed there is really no reason and I've yet to come into contact with a actual Japanese speaker in my life.

>>146417826
It lost some of its appeal once I started understand things.

>>146417826
Yes, it probably kept me from completely giving up on myself these past years, plus I just love weebshit.

>>146417826
it was for me i went from being completely clueless to being able to order beers and do sex with ladies

its pretty much fuckin the best, knowing japanese

>>146417826
>>146417192

>>146418009
same

>>146417826
楽しいんだ

>>146417925
The vast majority of translations (official or fan-made) are complete garbage

also
>>146418038

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>>146417826
俺は随分な満足、携帯かん

I hadn't visited DJT in a while but what's up with all the Jamals typing like shit and being condescending?

So this is neo-DJT?

>>146417826
yes but this >>146417983

>>146418009
>>146418065
This.

>>146418240
>I want to go but I don't Know Japanese
>>>/trv/
>>>/int/

>>146418280
マンコからうんこを出す大技って何て呼ぶのでしょうか

>>146418240
Did you run out of bait material or something? Everything up until now was solid 7/10 level but this one is a 3 at best. Step it up fampai

エライ人が来るのでみんな喜んでレスしまくってる

>>146418280
>people post thing
>thing i dont like

k kid

>>146418498
his phone is running flat so he has to charge it man cmon

>>146418516
Hi Jamal.

>>146418454
お前の生まれ

>>146418498
some people just dont have staying power dude

remember its better to burn out than to fade away railgun dude

>>146418574
i dont fucking greentext idiot

>>146418498
>fampai
Nah you can fuck off with him. You people that obnoxiously deal in terms of "bait" never cease to be annoying especially given that you tried to encourage him to "bait" more.

a guy told me the genki books are good resources

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>>146418658
You were lied to

>>146418658
Good for you.

>>146418696
then what is a good book.

>>146418658
end his life

>>146418721
See
>>146412404

>>146418585
でも私はおしっこ惜しい子です

>>146418721
Japanese: The Spoken Language

>>146418852
>>146417192

>>146418852
>if I cannot speak English
heh

MODS = GODS

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ありがとうございますモッド様達

modsへの特別教書：そんなに俺様のちんこが欲しいのか。ならいい子で列に並びなさい

>>146419154
やめろぉぉぉぉぉ

>>146419154
good post おつかれさま

>>146419154
yes its at least 69% faster to learn japanese directly on the streets of tokyo, 420% faster in southside kawasaki where all the thugs like myself live

>>146419083
Yet somehow they missed the blatant avatarfagging.

>>146419083
>>146419114
といいながら通報してもなかったよな

>>146419359
not clicking either but i have to say the japanese this time dude sorry

I miss imouto

買っときゃ

What form of grammar is this?

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Original
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RVbUttIfzzk

Cover
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi6YBrdrxO8

>>146419538
I miss the time when beginners would get their questions answered around here.

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>>146419538
いもうとは台風のせいですでに死んだ

>>146419613
買って　おかなければ　ならない
買って　おかなきゃ
買っときゃなきゃ
買っときゃ

文法ガイドを読んどきゃすぐ分かると思う

>>146419613
>>146419787

>>146419727
【訃報】いもうと（享年34歳）、逝去。【映画化決定】

>>146419711
What are you talking about? A lot of people got good answers to their questions in this very thread.

>>146420324
A lot of people were kind of rude about answering my questions though.

>>146420388
If you're expecting people to be nice you're in the wrong place.

>>146419711
I miss the time when newfags were told to LURK MOAR instead of being spoonfed

>>146420428
I don't expect them to be nice. I just want them to be nice. Are you Japanese?

>>146420439
Yes, I'm sure that lurking on DJT is an effective way of having your questions answered.
Fuck off.

https://twitter.com/kannrininnsan/status/769941182596034561

Can anyone tell me what does this mean?

Guess it's time to go back to /int/ if sakura is gonna start being here every day again

>>146420761
sakura? What are you even talking about?

>>146420824
Sakura poster, long story bro.

>>146420688
ツイキャス - TwitCasting
ニコ生 - Nico livestream
枠 - timeslot

try to figure out the grammar yourself

>>146420848
You just responded to him. One of his favorite ruses is to try to convince people he doesn't exist, after pretending to be clueless. He likes the term "paranoid"

>>146421017
Bah, looked like Jamal to me. Oh well, it's all a ruse in this fucking shit.

>>146420852
枠 system is so weird.

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>>146406548
Fuck man.

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自分をー

>>146420195
id watch it

>>146421061
新米アラート

Personally I'm extremely glad that fuckboy imouto is gone.

Reading >>146420460 made me realize, I just also want people to be nice. But there is some bizarre correlation between competence/skill/enthusiasm and unpleasantness. I don't get it.

Like take anime. If you talk to people in real life about anime, chances are they will be nice since most people are nice in general. But probably the most you can do together about your hobby is share a laugh about Attack on Titan or whatever because they just aren't into it as much as you are.

Then you go to /a/. Here, you get lots of people talking about all sorts of stuff, and unless you're someone who's only here for manga, generally fairly hardcore fans who know their stuff. (Or, at least, the best you are going to get on a public forum.) Great, right? Well, it would be if people weren't so goddamn negative. Trolls, people with anger issues, and people inches away from the suicide hotline are all over and they make discussion very unpleasant if you are talking about something they don't like (and everything is something that someone, somewhere, doesn't like).

Or say you're talking about learning Japanese in real life. As long as they are not the socially retarded type, you'll probably have a pleasant conversation about whatever, but they'll just be talking about how hard learning 2000 kanji is or whatever and that they can't wait for their wanikani reviews to come due. Not too many people really learning it to learn it.

Then you come to somewhere like DJT, yeah? Everywhere else on the internet like /r/learnjapanese is filled with people like I said above, but DJT has plenty of real hardcore learners. But you aren't going to find too much pleasant discussion. Just a bunch of insulting other people, disregarding other people's opinions and calling them retards, and making fun of learning methods that differ from your own.

It's a sad state of affairs. Can't talk in real life because they're casuals, can't talk on the internet because they're just bad people.

>>146424741
Fuck off to Leddit to be honest

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>>146424487
いもうとがしんだばしょからうまれた

おとうと、とうじょうしたぞ！よろしくね

>>146424741
No one cares, faggot.

おはようおにいちゃん

おにいちゃんがのぞんでいなくても

おにいちゃんののうのなかにあたしがいるから

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>>146424741

>>146424827
>Imouto was dead since she was born
>Outouto presenting himself! Look forward to be here

How well did I do?

>>146424741
If you can't handle the shitposting you can't learn Japanese

>>146425149
Perfect. I couldn't have done better myself.

>>146424741
This guy is L I T E R A L L Y from plebbit.

ototo is gay free imoto

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>>146424741
Pic related

>>146425183
Now that you got that out of your system, how well did I do really do?

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DOJG is depressing.

>>146425296
sorry dude i dont want a white younger bro

>>146425308
depressing or japanese you decide

>>146425296
>Now that you got that out of your system, how well did I do really do?

Either take me at my word or don't, fuckwad.

>>146424741
Did you really just write that entire thing out of sympathy for someone who was quite obviously spamming bait? Seriously? I can't believe there are retards like you that are honestly deluded enough to think everyone is a mean old jerk because they don't write a nice little paragraph in response to every "how many weeks does it take to learn all the hiraganas" post. There's still plenty of actual, legit discussion, it's just places like here don't feel like spoonfeeding every idiot who can't focus long enough to read the few pages of guide or think/google things for themselves so there are none of the politely-worded rehashings of the same basic information that people like you are somehow under the impression constitute "discussion".

Oh and if you read the fucking guide you'll also see why your "making fun of learning methods that differ from your own" comment is retarded. Thank you kindly for reading, now please get the fuck off my board.

>>146425433
I will assume you were trolling then, fag.

>>146425497
Fine, do.

>>146425484
he says get the fuck off your board but his blushing face is screaming please stay and hang out with me

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Help ;_;

>>146425635
有料
簡単過ぎる

>>146425635
whats a pankoso

>>146425754
Need more context but I'm guessing　タダ　here means free of charge.

>>146425824
it actually doesnt need more context you got it dude the context is all there honestly

>>146425863
Kill yourself.

>>146425558
It's time for you to masterbate

>>146425907
chill yourself

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次の文の＿＿に入る最もよいものを１・２・３・４から一つ選びなさい

>>146425754
Who is よっぱちゃん

>>146425824
Ah, that makes sense now, many thanks anon.
Context is Fuuka telling Yotsuba that she can ride the bus for タダ.

>>146425940
These ones are almost all easy desu
They can be tricky when there are multiple "grammatically correct" answers but one that sounds better, because you might just choose the first one you find and not check all permutations to realize there is a better one.

But overall I think they are easier than the other types of grammar problems since it doesn't test nuance it just tests if you can tell what a sentence is supposed to sound like

>>146425940
4

>>146426145
and then

>>146425178

Hm. Well, I wouldn't say I can't handle it, just that I'm lamenting the state of affairs. My method of handling the shitposting is just coming here less. Haven't been on /a/ regularly for years and although I used to come to DJT daily I'm coming here less and less. Probably helping my 上達 but it'd be nice to have a better place for discussion.

The modern (post-2011 or so?) 4chan mentality is pretty sad really. Like an emotionally troubled highschooler doing drugs to prove that they're not lame, everyone pretends to be mean-spirited all the time to prove they're a real 4channer. Good example of this is posts like >>146425484.

>Thank you kindly for reading, now please get the fuck off my board.

I remember fondly the times when I referred to /a/ as "my board" and did backseat moderation for hours on end to try to make the board a better place. But, it never did jack and as the years passed I realized that /a/ was basically just as shit as everywhere else, just a different flavor of shit. As time went on I made fewer and fewer posts because I realized they were all pointless.

Even this post I'm making myself is pointless. I'm not going to accomplish anything or convince anyone of anything. All I'll get is a few people calling me a fag or telling me to go to reddit, even though half of them are probably fresh off the boat themselves. Ultimately, it's just a self-serving plea, a hope to attain some sort of human contact. The hope that I'll find somebody of similar mind, or if not that, at the very least, a measly (You).

Anon, know I bear you know ill will, even though you may me. It's not the individual's fault, but the society's. When you call me a fag, even if the feeling is genuine, I don't really believe you would do that in real life. It's naught but malice born of clinging to the digital shibboleth.

>>146426187
If you want the whole thing then I'd say 3241

>>146426226
you wrote a shit load of words but said very little try condensing your thoughts into the size of a tweet next time

>>146426226

>know ill will
no ill will*

Anyway, I'm off to read. See you guys later.

>>146426278
Don't you have some nigger gangwars to be participating in?

>>146426313
haha casual dropping of the n word is very cool you sure got under my skin and made yourself look real good 爆笑

>>146426347
don't be mean, it's reddit's first day on 4chan

>>146426347
> the n word

LOL

荒らし、煽りには完全無視がもっとも効果的です
反応しないようにしましょう

>>146420761
I've been called the sakura poster by anons here but none of the posts in this thread have anything to do with what people are going on about.
It's just another crappy way of trying to get others to validate personal insecurity over someone not agreeing with you over something, really. Pretty lame.

>>146426347
This nigger be mad

>>146426395
日本語で書いても無駄じゃないか
あの初心者達が分かるわけ無いだろう

>>146426489
その通り

っていうがおまえはわたしなのか

looking for opinions on my current training regimen

I'm using the RTK anki deck for kanji, but it will be a while before I finish it so I'm supplementing it with the Japanese Core 2000 deck. So I'm getting a good mix of reading, writing, listening and speaking.

Anyway, should I worry much about learning the kanji that shows up in the Core deck? Every time a new kanji comes up, I find the card for that kanji in the RTK deck and learn it in isolation. So far, this is working for me, but it might start to get tedious, and I don't know if learning kanji out of order is gonna screw things up later. Any thoughts?

>>146426564
Good job failing to understand RTK and wasting so much of your time.

time inefficient, gay, など

>>146426606
RTK is working exactly as I intend it to by helping me recognize and write kanji. I'm not sure what you're getting at.

>>146426564

Drop RTK for production. It is a waste of time, you do not need to do that right now. RTK is helpful for its ordering of the kanji but memorizing how to write before you can read is like learning how to fly a jet before you can crawl. Either take a month and do RTK in recognition mode (kanji to keyword rather than other way around) or just drop it entirely.

>>146426708
if you can rewrite your post in japanese then what youre doing is working

if you cannot then it is not

>>146426735
>Either take a month and do RTK in recognition mode (kanji to keyword rather than other way around) or just drop it entirely.

That's pretty retarded advice

>>146426788

Nope, it's not. Great reply though fagtron.

Sensei テーム クーク is so based.

>>146426834
https://my.mixtape.moe/htmtke.mp4

Damn it, forgot webm.

>>146426834
based where

>>146426735
Honestly, I can't imagine learning 2000+ kanji without breaking them down into radicals RTK-style, so I don't want to drop it. Also, keyword-to-kanji works for me because if I can do that, going the other way around is easy.

I'm treating RTK like learning the alphabet. How can I be expected to read and write if I don't even know the alphabet?

>>146426738
Well, I'm currently a novice so obviously I'm not going to be able to translate from English to Japanese yet.

>>146426907
you dont need to know much of the kanji alphabet to have fully functional japanese

what are your goals? if your answer is learn japanese the one you cant and two you need to learn how to set effective goals and spend your time reaching them in an effective manner as effectively as possible

>>146426907

K. I'm just speaking from experience. I went 1600ish kanji into RTK keyword to kanji before doing the rest of it kanji to keyword. Waste of time because doing it all kanji to keyword the first time around would have been much faster. Great fuckin party trick to be able to write out "tekken" as 鉄拳 and say "dude it means iron fist" but turns out most of the time you are reading, and when you are doing input instead of output knowing how to write kanji means diddly squat.

Given that the average time to finish RTK is what, 3 months or so, I think someone could finish it kanji-keyword in 1 month with about the same amount of time spent on it per day. Then they could get into actual reading 2 months sooner instead of wasting their fucking time doing reps of 鬱 all day because they missed a stroke.

dont get lost in the 霧 dude

>>146427120
>霧
>靄
>霞

why japanese people, etc

>>146426980
Goal #1: Complete the RTK kanji deck and be able to recognize all ~2000 kanji with decent proficiency.

Goal #2: Complete the Japanese Core 2000 Step 1 Deck and be able to understand Japanese in both written and spoken form.

Goal #3: Recognize and use correct Japanese grammar. (Right now I'm mostly learning this from Pimsleur's audio lessons and from context in the Core deck, but I'm going start using the Genki grammar book. The only obstacle there is they introduce a lot of vocabulary, which slows me down.)

/djt/, what's a mnemonic you've seen that was so stupid, you actually ended up remembering the kanji in question?

>美しい
>A big sheep, hence beautiful

>>146427062
When you did kanji to keyword, did you still break it down into radicals and use stories to remember them?

I don't know how much I'm going to be physically writing kanji, but I figure if I'm going to spend this much time learning, I might as well go all the way and aim for some level of fluency, which would include writing.

>>146427180
ok now you gotta break those down into even smaller more attainable goals in the short term

>>146427213
I don't think I remember a single real mnemonic for anything complicated just a couple dumb things like 親は木に立って見る

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>>146425949
さぁぁ

>>146427338
Why though? Those goals are already fairly concrete, except for #3. As for pacing, I'm pretty much playing it by ear, and only learning as much in a day as I can retain.

What's the difference between 総理大臣 and 首相?

>>146427497
>Sadpanda
>yotsuba

enjoy your permaban

>>146427213
One of the only mnemonics I remember from RTK is 厘 being a pictogram of a computer having fallen of a cliff, thus being worth a very little or something like that

>>146427458
I always hear 安倍総理大臣
首相 is either a more general/more abstract term or is mainly used for other countries

I suppose I could google the difference but hey so could you

>>146424741
If you're nice to people who post stupid shit they'll continue to post stupid shit. Being mean is the only way to maintain a level of quality but eventually it all turns to shit anyway and you end up with a bunch of snide idiots sniping at each other. Or if everyone is nice it's a bunch of idiots posting beginner level shit. Everything devolves to one of these two on the internet.

>>146427406
how are you gonna measure if youre making any real progress toward your goal of learning 2000 kanji

how do you know its not just in one eye and out the other

>>146427615
By not being a stupid nigger

>>146427631
I'm going to try this instead of RTK.

>>146427631
too late

>>146427180
Instead of doing a bunch of stupid crap you should engage with actual content so you acquire the language.

>>146427615
Because the more that I study, the more I notice that I'm able to recognize and understand Japanese. As long as I keep learning and retaining stuff, it's just going to keep snowballing and open up new opportunities to learn. For example, I've recently been reading those "graded readers" from the cornucopia of resources. I probably couldn't have done that a while ago, and now I can.

I don't really see the point in micromanaging self-assessment when it's fairly obvious whether progress is happening.

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>>146427631
some good advice? on djt?

>>146427786
are you gonna flip over the 2000th flashcard and really think you know 2000 kanji? thats not how it works

おはいようごじゃいます

>>146427740
What content do you suggest? If you're talking about anime, manga, or Japanese television, I don't really look forward to having to stop several times each sentence to look up words, and then forget them soon after. I'd rather do the "stupid crap" first so that I actually have a foundation to build from.

>>146427860
ろりこんにちは

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今なんか外出してたらすぐ咲いちまうからなぁ　中は涼しいのよ
>It's cool inside because they (the flowers) will quickly bloom if taken outside now.

Is this right?

>>146427875
you already admit youre going to forget everything so why do you deny its not the same with your study routine

just because you remembered a little of it?

>>146427880
きもいちは

>>146427853
I'm not sure where the hostility is coming from. I consider learning the kanji as basically learning the alphabet. Once I know the alphabet, I can look at something like >>146427458 and see "首相", and think "Inter- Neck? What the fuck does that mean?" And then I can google it and find out that it means prime minister. Now the next time I see 首相 I'll know that it means prime minister.

If I didn't learn the alphabet first, then instead of seeing "Inter- Neck" I would see a bunch of random ass squiggles and have to learn to recognize each kanji on their own, which sounds like a terrible alternative.

>>146427902
Just post whatever page you read that on

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>>146428008

>>146427989
when people learn the alphabet they can also write it so are you saying you can visually reproduce the kanji youre learning as well on command?

this isnt hostility its actually dead serious im actually going out of my way to make a difference for you

>>146428041
Yeah your interpretation is correct. How come you asked? Generally you're better off using the time to continue reading instead of stopping to check your interpretation, and only ask if there's something that's repeatedly confusing you.

>>146427989
More like you'd see it and go "oh it's くび（首）　and then that thing in 相思相愛 what could it mean

>>146428058
Yes, each kanji that I learn from the RTK deck I can accurately reproduce by hand because I know the radicals that make them up. So if I wanted to I could write "彼は首相です。" on paper because I know all those kanji.

>>146428096
Teaching yourself a language is tricky because if you don't notice your own mistakes, you're going to repeat them over and over again.
And since I'm just a beginner, I'd rather check with you guys whether my interpretation is correct or not. Anyway, thanks.

>>146428229
>Teaching yourself a language is tricky because if you don't notice your own mistakes, you're going to repeat them over and over again.
Only if you don't watch enough anime like we tell you to

>>146428097
I don't actually study the on-yomi or kun-yomi for any of the individual kanji because I think that's a complete waste of time. Instead I learn how to pronounce actual words, like ことし for "this year", and then learn which kanji makes up that word, like 今年.

>>146428229
I don't think this is true, and the reason is because of context. Maybe the first few times you see a certain construct you misinterpret it, but before long you'll come across a setting where your interpretation doesn't make sense, and then you'll look it up and realise what you did wrong. And if you never realise your mistake and whatever you're reading always makes sense despite it, it probably wasn't that important.