It isn't really an idol anime, so I'm confused...why do the Japanese love Symphogeah? Is it Hibiki's earnest nature? Is it Tsubasa's caring yet tsundere feeling? Is it RedGuy being a magical super powered man for no reason?
Better music than generic idol stuff. After all these years the songs are still not boring.
Also good action and hype moments. The story is dumb but the show is self-aware of its silliness so who cares.
She really is so earnest. And she has the determination to fist.
Yup, no mecha here.
It's just mindless fun. I don't even know why I enjoyed it anymore. It's not exactly good by any stretch of the imagination.
I don't think you know what trainwreck means. Season one never loses sight of what it's doing and never strays off course with any plot line or character. No matter how ridiculous everything about it is, it's still pretty solid as far the story and the character development goes. The worst you can say about it is that it's got some pacing problems.
I figured that was the definition given that everything /a/ calls a trainwreck has been ridiculous: Aldnoah, Cross Ange, Valvrave, etc.
How do those "stray off course" with their plotlines or characters? How does one even define what on course is when the writers/director have specific ideas in mind with what they want to do with the characters which may not agree with what you think should happen with them? I can see people saying "Sazbaum should've been the villain of Aldnoah, not Slayne" but it's clear the show's creators thought otherwise. For them they were still on course, even if for me they went off the rails when they killed Sazbaum.
>the writers/director have specific ideas in mind with what they want to do
Aldnoah;Zero S1 was no trainwreck. But in S2 you had character motivations that were in plain contrast with what they wanted to do.
In Valvrave (as is typical for Sunrise), things happened seemingly at random. It was just plot twist after plot twist.
And that's a trainwreck.
I spent 70% of it wondering why this guy was superhuman and 30% of it able to concentrate on the show. Immersion breaking. If you have something in a fantasy show that is out of the ordinary you explain it. Sure they found weirdo relics that allow the Symphogear girls to do their thing. Noise is some weird phenomena they don't understand unique to their universe. But how do they explain Genjuurou? Is he a magical phenomena? A force of nature? Was he raised by wolves? What?
n, pl -ries
1. (Literary & Literary Critical Terms) a narration of a chain of events told or written in prose or verse
Dictionaries are just explications of the common man's definitions of such things. See here for theorists' beliefs which are on the cutting edge of literary theory >>146407445
They have shit taste when it comes to everything else, I'm just surprised they actually decided to have good taste when it comes to Symphogeah
I think it refers to a genre of storytelling wherein a specific example would still be called a "story." For example, deeper in the article
>The 2006 fan fiction story My Immortal by XXXbloodyrists666XXX" (Tara Gilesbie) is often considered the apex of nonsensical fan fiction literature. The story which is loosely based on Harry Potter has become notorious for its atypical spelling, and the constant author's notes that frame the text. The story has since become remained popular
People may call examples of that type of literature "stories" for lack of any other term to be able to call them though.
I'm pretty sure the bit about My Immortal was a joke. There is actual technique to proper literary nonsense. My Immortal is just a badly written fanfic. The argument that its spelling is atypical is just a humorous reference to the many typos the story has.
It isn't autism to want a story to make sense.
That is an explanation though, one that makes the world of Symphogear even more ridiculous but at least it is an explanation. The relic stuff can be seen as ridiculous in itself. But "he comes from a clan of ninjas and in sympogear world ninjutsu is real" is a better explanation than "this guy watches movies, sleeps and eats so he's superhuman.
Symphogear is unironically my favorite series.
I eagerly await for seasons 4 and 5.
>It isn't autism to want a story to make sense.
Why did Gandalf refuse to use lightning against the hordes of Mordor? He proved that he could conjure the stuff in the Hobbit (both movie and book).
Why did Saruman, as he was fighting trees, refuse to set them on fire with fireballs, one of which he conjured up just a short while after losing the battle? (movie)
Because plot hole / bad writing
Because plot hole / bad writing
But you see, Symphogear FLAUNTS its plot holes. I can't get over that. Most works at least have the author in a state where he does not know they're there and thus they are not always something.
Actually that description fits me to a T.
>Symphogear is unironically my favorite series.
But that's the entire thing. His strength is inconsequential.
The only reason it exists at all is because it makes him look cool and because it's funny.
It's like a princess character with a superpower of never getting dirty. If you ask her how that's possible she tells you that only only drinks barley tea and is polite to strangers.
It's a dumb/simple show but the staff (all of them, Agematsu, the seiyuu, the animators, etc) love the show and characters and it really shows on the final product.
It's a bit similar to the early years of Nanoha in that regard.
Genjuro's answer is almost certainly a lie, but you've watched far too much shounen if you think that the middle of a fight with someone who wants to kill you is the best time to start revealing the source of your powers.
Not every minor character's background and abilities need explicitly spelling out, especially in the first season. It gives future writers more freedom to work with, if they ever decide to flesh out Genjuro's backstory. They could even decide to never reveal it and have the cast ignore the elephant in the room as a running joke in the series, perhaps with the occasional lampshade.
Symphogear is not meant to be taken seriously
>but you've watched far too much shounen if you think that the middle of a fight with someone who wants to kill you is the best time to start revealing the source of your powers.
Yes it would be awkward but it would be better than no explanation. Hibiki should ask him after she sees it once and he should explain it.
And I would not count Genjuro as a minor character given how much screen time he gets.
Also I wish anime that was not meant to be taken seriously would have a huge label on them saying as such so I could avoid them easily. Comedy doesn't work because some shows which one can take seriously begin with comedy elements which are gradually phased out.
Do you think I care?
>Symphogear is not meant to be taken seriously
>tfw Kanade died for nothing because she died in an anime that was made as a joke
The explanation for Miku/Ogawa/Genjuro's supernatural feat is that in the Symphogear world your hobbies can give you special powers.
Just a twist on the typical "will-power gives you strength" cliche and a tool to make civilians characters somewhat more relevant.
But really, if you are taking Symphogear at face value you are dummy. Symphogear takes inspirations from a lot showa-era productions and the tokusatsu genre, it's that sort of ultra-romantic show.
I've taken worse seriously with no problems, like Gurren Lagann
Frankly almost any action show has stuff as ridiculous as that when you spell it out in that manner but can still be taken seriously.
But he said Symphogear is not meant to be taken seriously, not that it's a comedy. That means everything, like the plot, character deaths, etc. are meaningless because the plot is not meant to make any sense. I-Is the feeling I felt when Kanade died a lie?
>like Gurren Lagann
You mean you didn't make an angry post on /a/ about how it's impossible to use galaxies as shuriken on so many different levels that it would be silly to count them?
Did everyone forget about twintails
It's the same type of show that is just as good for the exact same reasons
Do you seriously not know what mecha musume is
Strike witches is mecha musume
Twintails is mecha musume
Symphogear is the same kind of show as both + Macross 7
To me is not really a matter of taking the show seriously or not, but knowing when the show wants to be taken seriously and when the show is just going by the rule of cool or doing a joke. There's no reason serious and ridiculous can't coexist in the same anime.
No, this is what we call a rollercoaster. It's supposed to send you on emotional ride. Remember Samumenco?
>but knowing when the show wants to be taken seriously and when the show is just going by the rule of cool or doing a joke. There's no reason serious and ridiculous can't coexist in the same anime.
My serious to non-serious boundaries draw a line when the action happens. Like you can have Ed turn into a super deformed bean in FMA in some dumb comedy scene, but if some random soldier was able to beat a homunculus to a pulp without alchemy I'd want an explanation.
I'd rather have Nana will her fist into my ass.
What was his name again?
According to the filename, his name is [HorribleSubs] Senki Zesshou Symphogear GX - 10 .mkv_snapshot_08.01_[2015.09.04_18.23.42]
Must be some kind of special variant if he has the GX-suffix. Seems also like he's the 10th model of his series.
Fuck off. Aoifags are cancerous shits who turn threads for every show she's into creepy worship talk and never shut up about how she's the only seiyuu in the show giving their all.
Wish there was more Zenbu & Akuma antics but it's not really that sort of series I guess.
I hate how hard Genjuuro's relevance plummeted after S1. And in GX he may as well not even exist.
He had a role as a mentor as well as leading shit in S1, since the main trio had matured in S2 his scenes was reduced(not to mention the increase in characters).
I'm still mad about not giving him a good action scene in GX though.
I miss the first season's artstyle, quality aside. Bring back adorkable Hibiki.
You'll take your manly Hibiki and you'll like it.
Too bad GX didn't end with Hibiki fighting on the moon.
This, they even use it in their pachinko ads as subliminal messaging.
Just watched the first episode.
I can take the idiocy, but is it fun? Like, cute girls dying in a cruel way type of fun? If yes, is the action good in it?
Because I think that is what the show is trying to communicate to me.
Yes, the action is good. The fight choreography is excellent, especially for Hibiki. They absolutely nail her fighting style in a mixture of heavy kung fu assisted my mechanical pile-driver wrists.
The start of S1 is grimderp but in a charming way. It does a complete 180 half way through and decides to be hotblooded and crazy as fuck and then never looks back.
The music is also very good. The girls sing when they fight and a great touch is that you can hear them put exert effort and sound tired whilst singing, suggesting that the VAs were singing specifically for that scene rather than having a pre-recorded song used each time.
So the general opinion on GX is that people who watched it while it was airing thought that it was the worst thing ever and people who watched it after it was over think that it was heavily flawed but still fun. Am I right?
I watched it while it was airing and it was the best season with the best music.
Hell, I watched it as it was airing and loved it.
It was weaker than G and the second half of S1 maybe but still highly enjoyable. Definately one of those series that is made even more great when watching it with /a/
Barely any. Anytime Tsubasa actually gets to sing as an idol the concert gets disrupted by Noise (the badguys in Symphogear)
Its sentai with good singing and incredibly endearing girls.
I liked GX and it has it's fault but then again I marathoned it and could remember the gripes about the middle parts from livewatch threads.
At least the daddy issues can't be a basis for 4th and 5th since they're pretty much taken care of on all 3 accounts. Hibiki could have been more useful instead of losing her way for 3rd time for sure.
People like it's the Revengeance of the magical girl/mecha musume genre with lesbians.
It's just plain shit anyone who says otherwise is nothing more than their own conformation bias. I could type a autistic five page report on everything that was not only retarded about GX for an anime but for the Symphogear franchise as well but fuck that.
None. There's concerts in all the first episodes, but that is all there is to it. Idol fans will be disappointed if they go in expecting cute girls singing cute things. Well, except for season 2 episode 4.
Watched it while it was airing, and while it wasn't the worst thing ever, there was vastly more bad than good. Top Dad such an utterly unlikable piece of shit that having Hibiki still wanting to have anything to do with him severely strained her credibility as a character. Character development as a whole was horribly rushed, and half the problems were introduced the episode they were solved. Alongside the break, break, break, ignite, ignite, ignite, final battle formula, the series as a whole felt disjointed and barely coherent.
Songs were pretty great, though, and and episode 1 felt like literally everything I love about symphogear in one perfect package. Carol's battle scenes were all pretty solid, and Ver returning was amazing. They managed some good scenes, but the series overall was the weakest of the three by a significant margin.
Maybe, but regardless of the reason, from episode 7 onward the threads were filled with non-stop bashing of GX and it only got worse as time went on. It was a real hate craze.
It feels like the choreography really took a hit in GX. There was absolutely nothing interesting about any of the Noise fights, largely negating the point of bringing them back at all, and the doll fights were undercut by their results being painfully predictable.
I hope Noise don't come back for Season 4 and 5, and instead get a different enemy. Something that lets Hibiki fight 1 on 1 so she can get better choreography and fight scenes.
>call shit shit
>lol ur just melodramatic
Gud 1, m8.
>The only shit part of GX was the daddy issues
And everything regarding Carol, the dolls, and her plan. The only good parts were the first episode and Ver.
In S1 (and probably G, I'm still in the middle of rewatching it) the Noise fights were fine, largely because they let the characters show off their moves. I think the lack of title cards for special moves made them feel a lot more boring, and there was never any real danger from them. They just got mowed down, in boring fashion, like they just wanted to skip ahead to the next bit but they still had all these Noise they had established earlier. The Noise never felt like they had a reason to be in GX. In S1, they were a threat, and distracted from Fine pulling strings in the background. In G, they were what established FIS as a legitimate threat, as the FIS gears were pretty useless. In GX, pretty much any plot relevance they had was made redundant by the dolls, and all the interesting choreography was saved for the doll fights.
In the first one she saw the noise coming and did a silly action jump
In the 2nd one the ground suddenly got removed from under her with no time to react
It has nothing to do with GX being shit
>Watching Symphogear Live! 2016
>Slowly realizing Aoi Yuki can't really sing at all
>people now think GX was good and "fun"
>half a season of the gears getting their asses handed to them every week
>followed by half a season of them winning because the villains let them
Daddy issues were shit, but they were only the tip of the iceberg of GX's problems.
Whatever way you look at it, It was 10 times better than S2.
>sensed it above her only days after starting her training
>was in no way in view
>does 2 backflips and lands perfectly
>2 years have gone by and she should be even more well trained
>fully aware she is being chased by noise that she knows can disintegrate anything
>falls flat on her ass with no grace what so ever
Stop trying to defend shit writing.
Hibiki's songs are out of her comfort zone. Aoi's singing voice is usually a lot deeper and she usually doesn't sing badass songs like the ones in Symphogear.
This is how she usually sounds when singing.
That said, while singing as Hibiki she mostly prioritizes being in-character rather than sounding perfect. They are character songs after all.
Gx started very good but turned shit.
For me the scene when this happened is the one where Micha destroy Gungir.
After the stalagmite destroy it disappear without hitting Hibiki.
Hibiki isn't wounded and don't even cough blood. In the firsts 2 seasons would be a mess a blood. Gx don't have a good jam scene.
Hibiki isnt a gifted singer. It was something she was forced to get better at once that fragment of Gungnir got embedded in her heart and meant she could use her gear.
I always thought GX was good and fun even back then
The moments of stupid drama (Hibiki not being able to sing) was counterbalanced by stupid fun (Maria shittalking Hibiki while bleeding from the face)
You're right, she sounds just fine on the studio. It's the live performances she can't handle for some reason. Just watch one and see for yourself.
I know, that's what I said, she's usually fine, but she can't do Symphogear songs live for some reason.
Hibiki and Miku will kissu in season 4 and get married in a fancy chapel during season 5. Yurigoggle predictions never lie.
I will post this every thread until they dock.
>Chris and Tsubasa have natural compatibility
Just genetically blessed, or does it come from something else?
Come to think of it why isn't Shirabe naturally compatible considering she's a Fine reincarnation
>Sounds amazing in studio
>Sounds even better live
>Has the best song in Symphogear
>Won an award for best actress
>Is the next Nana Mizuki
>Almost as cute as Aoi
How come 4chan doesn't love her?
Depending on what Ver meant by AI DESU YO, compatibility might have something else to it that we don't know yet.
Maria needs Linker but she's able to use multiple Gears.
I have a few
also this one which isn't strictly Symphogear
Because she's not SUPPOSED to. How dumb are you? She's supposed to sing off-key. Everyone else on the team has been singing their whole lives, Shirabe and Kirika included. She's been singing for what, a year?
I know Japanese though. You need to stop being such a mouth breathing fan boy and get triggered every time somebody states the obvious fact that Aoi has difficulties singing in Symphogear lives. Clearly Aoi has gotten over it, you should to.
>I know Japanese
>Aoi was crying at the live because she has a hard time singing
>even though that wasn't what she said in the 2013 or 2016 concert at all, and only applies to the 2012 live after FLS which we have no footage on
>but I totally know Japanese
>I am using a concert that I haven't attended or watched as the core of my argument, even though we only have word of mouth to go by (and from Aoi herself, not the most unbiased source)
You aren't very smart, are you. Again, nobody is saying Aoi doesn't struggle while singing except that one namefag (even somebody Nana does) but I think most of the time what Aoi is does on stage flies over people heads even though both Nana and Aoi have talked about it before. That is pretty irritating, specially when it's so obvious.
It's not the core of my argument. I don't need to know that whether she cried or not to, I just have to listen to her singing and see that she that she can't do it, her voice is wobbly and painfully unstable. She sings off-key even in the less intense parts. Sure, she works around it with her attitude, but it's ridiculous to say her voice sounds so bad on purpose. She just can't do Hibiki and sing at the same time.
They are character songs, Hibiki is an amateur singer and a rash person in general and Aoi is mostly an actress first and a singer later. To give you an idea of her mindset she has been working as an actress since she was 4 years-old.
Aoi after the 2012 live had to decide between doing her best at singing Hibiki songs in a "proper" way or singing them as Hibiki, Nana encouraged her to "be herself" on stage so she decided to focus on the performance part and she was really moved when the crowd enjoyed it so much during the 2013 concert.
What you are doing is amounts to someone complaining about how an idol "sounds bad" while singing when that isn't even the central point of her performance. Aoi is trying to portray a character because she has always been an actress and not a singer.
I mean, all of what I wrote is really obvious to anyone with a working brain and I can tell from the way you type that this isn't the first time I had this conversation with you.
So yeah, feel free to believe whatever you want but you are completely missing the point of Aoi's performance, and what makes her performances so special.
At least try not to force your narrative by ignorant things the seiyuu have stated themselves while latching to a single incident that happened years ago.
I know point of the performance, I just said she works her way around her singing difficulties with her attitude, but that doesn't make her singing any better from a technical perspective. What's bad is just bad, and her singing is bad in those shows. Whether it's a good show or not is a different matter entirely. And I don't base myself on her crying in 2012, I base my point on the two lives I watched in which she sings terribly.
Must be a complete mystery then how she has no issue singing in all sort of voices on Petit Milady or her solo performances.(now, in 2016, back when she was starting she naturally struggled)
But nah, she sings bad in Symphogear lives because she is a bad singer.
>What is bad is just bad
Nice argument, totally not something I might heard on /v/.
Aoi "doesn't work her way around her singing difficulties", she is using a completely different skill-set as an actress to display the emotions of her character through her voice. Not everybody can do this the way Aoi does, hence why she is always so praised by everybody on the staff.(Ayahi, Agematsu, Kaneko, etc)
And this seem to fly completely over your head.
You are over-simplying and outright ignoring the facts in favor of your "lol wtf Aoi is a bad singer" narrative.
Please stop, it just makes you look like a fool.
My point is she's bad ON Symphogear lives. I never said she's a bad singer, not even once.
I'll repeat, you need to stop being such a mouth breathing fanboy and being triggered every time somebody points out this obvious fact. You have to be deaf or dumb to think Aoi doesn't sing horribly in those lives.
>she is using a completely different skill-set as an actress to display the emotions of her character through her voice.
I know, and that's fine, but clearly she can't do that and sing on key at the same time, that's all I'm saying.
Not agreeing with your denial of something whose reasons are so obvious and has been stated by both Nana and Aoi on different occasion doesn't make me a fanboy.
I will never concede on you downplaying (or taking them for granted) Aoi's talent on getting on stage and portraying her character emotions through her voice and body language, so either fuck off or come out with a better argument other than ad-hominems and repeating "but she sings bad!" over and over again.
Also you should be able to put two and two together as to why she sounds like she does while performing Bikki songs while she sounds normal elsewhere else.
She's not a bad singer, she's just incapable of doing Hibiki and singing live at the same time, thus covers it up by making her show really hype and giving it her all. Or, as Aoi fanboys say, she sings bad on purpose because that's acting.
I don't understand how it's an argument. For me, Aoi's awkward singing in S1 especially is what sold me on the whole premise, and she's a really fun VA to listen to. I don't really care about her skill as a singer.
You have to understand that just because somebody states a fact about her singing, in this case that it's wobbly and off-key on the Symphogear lives, does not mean one doesn't like her, her acting or her performance. One doesn't need to pretend that everything she does is perfect or deliberate to appreciate her talent.
The other day I was listening to "Art of Life" by X-Japan and there is this segment of the song where Yoshiki seemingly hits random dissonant notes on his piano that aren't pleasing to the ear at all, this segment goes on for various minutes. I came to the conclusion that he was at his job and the song was bad. Objectively speaking, of course.
t. random dude on /a/ that doesn't know the first thing about musical performances but is extremely opinionated anyway
That's kind of my point. Her singing may not be great at symphogear lives. She's still a great VA and can sing fine in other circumstances. The only reason for an argument is the 'Aoi is bad at singing' thing, which was cleared up way up here >>146418414
I don't understand why there was a sudden explosion of points arguing the fact well after it felt like it was already made clear.
Every season has some great songs and the characters are really likeable.
Yukine is the cutest girl I have ever seen in chinese cartoons.
>Using the power of music to defeat their enemies
>This is perfectly fine
>But Genjuro gaining superhuman strength from watching Kung-Fu Movies and eating Ramen is not
>Symphogear has no place for relevant male characters and you know it
Never say never. I don't think they've really known what to do with this series since they finished S1, so who knows what direction they'll take it next? I could definitely see boy band villains becoming a thing, though I hope not.
>'Aoi is bad at singing' thing
I never said that. My point has always been simply that her singing in the Symphogear lives is problematic and, in my opinion, just ugly as far as singing goes. Saying she is bad at singing and saying she is singing badly when trying to do a certain specific performance are different things and you'd do well not to mix up people who are saying the latter with people who are saying the former, and also not to mix up neither of those with saying she puts on a bad show.
Introducing a boy villain that gets infatuated with Hibiki leading to SENKOU or at least an extremely flustered Miku could actually be pretty entertaining. Of course, in the end everything ends in nothing. Nobody wants to see consummated romances involving Hibiki.
Not the Anon you were talking to but you should really learn to express yourself better before deciding to share your thoughts.
Right now the vast majority of your post sound like you are going through some intense amount of back-pedaling with all the "that's not what I meant" and "I never said that(except you did)".
Maybe read yours posts again later and try to spot where the misunderstanding might have come from.
>nonsense mythological references
Wish it had more of these. I want Hibiki to prove herself in a fight against Odin.
This is the best post about Symphogear on 4chan imo.
I'm saying there is no need to further argue the point. You're basically in full agreement with the prevailing opinion, so there's no need to keep presenting arguments. To summarize:
Aoi's singing as Hibiki in lives is not so good.
Aoi's singing in her own voice is fine.
Aoi's VA performance as Hibiki is pretty great.
Yeah, that anon gets it. Symphogear is fun because it makes for one hell of a spectacle.
It was close to being good but they had to mess it up.