Why do you people hate elves so much?

>>146159118
Because they're too damn cute
How can human women even compete?

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Why are elves so lewd.

>>146159118
Nature faggotry and holier than thou attitude, that and not eating meat and no facial hair combine to make the most insufferable race of mega tree niggers ever dreamed up.

dwarves are much better.

>>146159248
What anime?

Elves are only good for one thing.

>>146159630
Boku no Uppote!

>>146159118
>she sees your dick.gif

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>>146159118
this is why

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SHITPOSTING ABOUT ELVES

NO ANIME OR MANGA IN HERE

JUST SHITPOSTING, HEADCANON AND MEMES

GET IN HERE, EVERYONE IS INVITED

NOBODY CARES, NOT EVEN THE MODS

>>146161642
go fuck an Orc you slut

>>146159118

Because they're shitty tree hugging hippies who do nothing but bitch about humans and how in tune with nature they are and never lift a finger to help save the world unless their forest is in immediate danger

>Elrond: wah wah wah isluder kept the ring

Hey shit head, Sauron made the ring and he sure as shit ain't human and nothing was stopping you from punting Isluder into the volcano.

>>146161630
DON'T YOU SEE? ELVEN SUPREMACY IS THE ONLY TRUTH!

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>>146161699
Canonically impossible.

>>146159337
Cirdan had beard

>>146161701
>nothing was stopping you from punting Isluder into the volcano.

Elf politeness. Elrond wasn't angry neckbeard. What a weakling. And this is assuming Isildur couldn't buttrape Elrond with his man meat

>>146159118
why? WHY? cause elves are a bunch'a pointy eared feckin' arse bandit's that dinnieken fer neane but emselves. Fuckin' fannyboz, Ah ken whit ah wid dae I gies em a glesca kiss feckin pricks

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>>146162644

>>146161701
If you want to shitpost about treehugging hippies then don't shitpost about Tolkien elves, because those were never really big about muh nature, not in the sense of modern hippies. Some lived in the woods, some built cities, some loved the see more than anything. They are not vegan faggots, they don't have "nature" powers, they don't protect the wood because the wood is mother nature or something like this, but because it's their turf.

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Hey mods and jannies, do you actually care about rule 1 of this board, or can we just fucking post about whatever we like here?

>>146161630
>superior race
>living in the ruin placed on desert

elves piss me off because they're a retarded mary sue race in 99% of the works they're depicted in.

/tg/ is fucking insufferable about elves. They will pick and choose which elf traits their magic perfect race has from a variety of different fictions and just discard the weaknesses they have.

Last time on elf/tg/: Elves can apparently fly, have perfect disease resistance, regenerate limbs, are immortal, and are immune to fire. Yes, you heard that right, elf/tg/ believes that elves are immune to fire because they can avoid fire at all times by talking to trees. The concept of artificial heat does not entice or intimidate them because woooooo forest magic oooo.

I imagine their popularity is only sated by hentai and neckbeards DMing in their basement.

>>146163335
You are making a lot of shit up.

>>146163427

>>>/tg/48942913

You underestimate /tg/'s autism.

>>146159118
what do you mean, 'you people'

>>146163427
>>>/tg/48951308

We're talking about people who seriously spend all day in their basements thinking about elves and how great it would be to become one.

Don't talk shit about my hentaifu!

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you know why

>>146163548
>Also, I think elves should not be a playable race
Nice cherrypicking, anon. Last time I spend some time in these kinds of elf threads on /a/, /tg/ was all about genociding elves. What is it now?
>>146163592
From the same thread:
>>>/tg/48939132

>>146159118
I hate them because they're not real. A race made for perfect waifu and they will never be real. I have to hate them, because otherwise, my life would feel so empty without them.

>>146163157
Heh that reminds me of the part in Dragon Quest 7 with Zebbot and Eri

>>146159118
Because they are portrayed poorly by nips.

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>>146159118

I freaking hate Japanese elves and orcs. They're really shitty adaptations of the real thing.

>>146163716
>Nice cherrypicking, anon.

>From the same thread:

nice cherrypicking, anon.

cherrypicking a post that was meant to troll the ultra-neckbeards who all believe they are perfect, immortal elves in their D&D games.

most of the posts in that thread are pretty much the "Throw balance out the window, elves are my special race and only I can make them."

Hence, why this only applies when he's a game master. He wants to make the elves. He wants to be the elf. This trend is increasingly common throughout /tg/ because fewer and fewer well-adjusted people are playing D&D. Leaving only the crazies and the that-guys to fetishize their otherkin races.

This isn't cherrypicking, this is evidence of a trend. I can go back in the archives and find archival posts if you want. Two or so years ago people who made posts like that would be laughed at as the misanthropes they were, now it's basically the 'common' opinion.

>>146163861
>>146163889
Best posts.

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Space Elves are my favorite kind of elves.

>>146163889
>>146163861
elves really don't have to be anything other than pointed-eared humans.

Tolkien elves aren't the be-all-end-all of the story.

Before Tolkien, they were little children dressed in green with curled-toed shoes. Is that interpretation less valid?

>>146164035
>Before Tolkien, they were little children dressed in green with curled-toed shoes.

Wow, you're fucking dumb huh

>>146163157
>cutting out the panel where she wakes up because it was a bad dream
nigga you're the worst

>>146163908
But anon, /a/ told me that /tg/ is the place where all the crusaders reside, which want to exterminate all those cute elves when /a/ is the place where all those cute elves get raped and then there is this banner from /tg/ about them being angry about elves. And all the dorffags are there. This doesn't add up. And for maybe on made-up setting in which elves are the superior race, there are two in which elves are mostly extinct or slave for the edgy humans.

>>146164065
>implying that anyone who mattered depicted them differently beforehand or didn't call them something completely different

Wow, you're fucking dumb huh

I bet you think D&D made halflings, too.

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>>146164035
>elves really don't have to be anything other than pointed-eared humans
Only if they want to be the most boring, bland and uninteresting elves imaginable.

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>>146164210
>Only if they want to be the most boring, bland and uninteresting elves imaginable.

But why do they have to be anything else? Is that interpretation not any more valid than tree huggers or beings whose composition is mostly magic?

I think Anime does it just fine.

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>>146164257
And then?

>>146164156
>I bet you think D&D made halflings, too.
The thing is, D&D created our modern understanding of elves more than Tolkien did, because more people just play that game instead of actually reading Tolkien. D&D's elves draw inspiration from Legolas, a Sindar, which is only one person and one of many cultures of elves.

>>146164369
You look for the weird symbol and slap in on the panda bitch, duh.

>>146164156
Elves are part of Germanic folklore, unlike what you were suggesting, and they weren't the Christmas variety either.

>I bet you think D&D made halflings, too.

I never suggested that. You were the one suggested they weren't anything more than Christmas elves before Tolkien.

>>146164144
Yeah, I miss old-/tg/ too.

I miss old-/tg/ where people were perfectly fine with having original content threads alongside their warhammer threads, HFY threads, and threads about D&D and the people who play them.

Now it's like /v/-lite. It's really sad that it has fallen so far.

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>>146164300
>But why do they have to be anything else?
Because they could be so much more? Anime doesn't have Noldor or Fingolfin, anime elves are just regular woodsmen that are good with bows. There is nothing mystical about them. Nothing special, they are literally just humans with pointy ears, and you don't need humans with a gimmick.

>>146164300
Because they're shitty and lame otherwise.

A big part of the deal with elves in Western literature is their involvement in the lore. In Tolkien, they were holdovers from an earlier age (or something, I'm sure a Tolkien expert can be more specific but at least that's the gist of it) that's why they were much more involved in the plot.

Nip elves normally don't have that depth, and if you're gonna do that you're devolving the meaning of elves to simply being pointy-eared humans who dress weirdly for no reason.

>>146164450
Germanic elves aren't even a part of this conversation, anon. Because germanic elves aren't anything like any creature we're talking about in this conversation. Germanic elves were stand-ins for monsters. They weren't even called elves except by contemporaries.

In fact, here's one researcher's words on trying to pigeonhole the Germanic monsters as 'elves'.

>the time has come to resist reviewing information about álfar en masse and trying to impose generalizations on a tradition of a thousand years. Legends of álfar may have been constantly changing and were perhaps always heterogeneous so it might be argued that any particular source will only reflect the state of affairs at one given time.[

>You were the one suggested they weren't anything more than Christmas elves before Tolkien.
They really weren't unless you want to start searching for renaissance era paintings done for fictional plays. Which is where the stereotype of little green guys in the woods comes from. It also has roots as being a kind of satyr creature that tricks travelers into getting lost in the wilderness, but I don't want to get into that. The point is: The whole beauty thing is a ridiculously new concept and it's dumb to insist that they can only fall into that pattern because it's the most popular interpretation.

>>146164385
>The thing is, D&D created our modern understanding of elves more than Tolkien did, because more people just play that game instead of actually reading Tolkien.

D&D and Tolkien mostly took the concept of the Nymph and just grouped it into the concept of the 'elf'. As well as a bunch of other 'fae' races which have roots in medieval lore about forest spirits.
Which is why it shouldn't be the only interpretation. Tolkein and D&D's take on it isn't any more 'valid' than just making them humans with pointed ears. Or monsters. Or both.

>>146164652
>they were holdovers from an earlier age (or something, I'm sure a Tolkien expert can be more specific but at least that's the gist of it)
Behold my half-drunk info-dump. You are right, the elves were supposed to reside in Valinor, the paradisaic plcae in which all of the gods live. Elves are magical, and magical in Tolkiens universe means something like godly. Because here, despite having wizards, magic isn't something that you learn in wizard school, it means being part of the supernatural, and supernatural here is godly powers. This is why the term "magic" is like a foreign word for the elves. This is also why when they die they basically return to Valinor. And when man take over, more and more of them leave, and with them everything "magical", divine and great. What humans creat is just a mere copy, but all in all it's a downfall from the glorious age when the elves were building civilizations in middle-earth.

>>146164889
>Which is why it shouldn't be the only interpretation.
Oh yes, certainly. Japanese elves are still just a shallow copy of them. This argument doesn't disprove this.

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>>146164652
>A big part of the deal with elves in Western literature is their involvement in the lore. In Tolkien, they were holdovers from an earlier age (or something, I'm sure a Tolkien expert can be more specific but at least that's the gist of it)

Close enough. They're the remnants of the age of magic on the brink of extinction now that they risk losing power from the destruction of the ring.

But again, there isn't anything wrong with depicting them as just another race in a mish-mash of races just trying to survive. It's only natural that they would segregate themselves based on heritage, just like humans do.

If they have magic powers, that's fine. If they're disfigured or not even human-like at all, that's okay too. It's just so many people want beautiful, wonderful, mary-sue elves in everything and it's tiresome.

Sometimes I just want to see them dress in tight leotards that barely contain their huge tits.

>>146165065
>Sometimes I just want to see them dress in tight leotards that barely contain their huge tits
You can see normal anime girls in these clothings. Putting pointy ears on the girls won't change anything.

>>146165027
>Oh yes, certainly. Japanese elves are still just a shallow copy of them.

There are no copies here, is my point. They're just elves. They're just another fictional interpretation of a fictional race. Just like the elves before that, just like the Nymphs, the Dryads, and the Lady of the Lake. All concepts taken from the almost worldwide idea that divine beauty is feminine.
And there's nothing wrong with that.

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>>146165174
>Putting pointy ears on the girls won't change anything.

It does to my pants.

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>>146165174
Otherwise, you would have to deal with flat bitches, all day.

>>146163157
The *pompf* one where he floats off to the Forest of Beginnings is way better

>>146165178
>There are no copies here
I think you completely disregard the western influence on japanese fantasy.
> Just like the elves before that, just like the Nymphs, the Dryads, and the Lady of the Lake
Tell me about how all of them are japanese in origin.

>>146165329
The only link that any of what I listed have is that they originated in the western hemisphere.
Why is it OK for a variety of cultures, continents, and countries to copy each other for 2000 years, but it's suddenly off-limits when Japan does it?

Want them to make animes about their supernatural creatures? How about a slice of life anime about that big ball of soldier skeletons they have which is animated on sheer jealously of the living and eats people with its giant skeleton hand?

>>146165258
Why? Honestly, tell me. From an esthetically view there is no difference. They look exactly the same as any other anime girl drawn by the same artist.

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>>146165445
Anon, Anon.

You got to understand the joy of pointed ears, son.

It's not JUST that they have pointed ears. It's the mystique, and the attraction to the foreign unknown. The idea of meeting an emissary of a glossy, bright-eyed culture curious about humans and their ways.
And then fucking them.

Then you put your face between their huge tits and go "brubrbbbubuuruubuuububurrbb".

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>>146165445
They're "exotic". It's like asking why catgirls or anything else that's slightly inhuman is attractive.

>>146165440
It's not off-limits when Japan does it, I just critizise it when Japan does a really poor job at it.
For example:
>lithe, slender, noble elf girls
= Standard big titty anime girls with some pointy ears
>busty shortstack dwarf girls
=Standard lolis
I just want variety.

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>>146165636
See, he understands. This man must have fine tastes.

>>146165648
>I just want variety.
So do I.
That's why I like lolidwarves.

What about half-elves?

>>146165836
One tit is big.

>>146165636
There is nothing exotic about them if they are just human girls with longer ears.

>>146165635
Don't get me wrong, the pointy ears are cute. But is this really all? Not their eternal youth, not their long lifespan, not their wisdom, not their ethereal beauty? Just their boobs? Really? Every fucking animu girl has big boobs. Your elves are so goddamn lame I seriously don't get it.

>>146165752
But you already have regular lolis. What about those guys that like shortstacks? Why should a fantasy race cater to your taste, when, by definition, it caters way better to people that don't like lolis? Isn't this a bit selfish?

>>146165907
>Don't get me wrong, the pointy ears are cute. But is this really all? Not their eternal youth, not their long lifespan, not their wisdom, not their ethereal beauty? Just their boobs? Really?

Anon, no, that's not what I was saying. It's about the idea of interaction with a foreign element. They could have amazing wisdom, they could be as dumb as a stump. They could have eternal beauty, they could live shorter lifespans than humans. What matters is the element of mystique and love blooming between members of diametrically opposed cultures.

>But you already have regular lolis. What about those guys that like shortstacks?
I think there's a world for them, too.

Elves are generally the worst types of tsunderes or bland-ass whores like Emilia or that girl from Gate. They aren't bad in themselves but the subconscious association with those common elf characters makes you shy away from them.

>>146166044
Yes anon, I get the concept of fucking a girl that is not of your race. That doesn't explain why anime elves are supposed to be something so fucking special, these humans in everything except their pointed ears.

If we conclude that it's not about the elf girls but just about the idea of fucking something foreign, then we conclude that anime elves are nothing special at all, except at being barely not human.

Have fun with your humans with strange ears, I guess.

>>146166221
>That doesn't explain why anime elves are supposed to be something so fucking special, these humans in everything except their pointed ears.
Because they're not all that way. Anime elves have variation in their depictions, too.

Perfect example of a counterpoint: >>146163935

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>>146166267
Yeah, this one, this single one example of a space "elf" changes so much.

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>>146166267
But anon, that's just a human. THIS, however, is definitely an alien species.

>>146164889
The nature of elves in folklore varied quite a bit, that's true, but

>Because germanic elves aren't anything like any creature we're talking about in this conversation. Germanic elves were stand-ins for monsters.

Incorrect. In fact, it's contradictory. Just like how elves were sometimes stand-ins for monsters, the word also referred to beautiful creatures more akin to what Tolkien called as elves.

Point is, you're wrong - there were elves in Western literature/folklore before Tolkien, not all of them pointy eared either. Japan's rendition of elves are a pale imitation of that.

>>146167222
>Incorrect. In fact, it's contradictory.

No it's not. Read my post and then my source. The 'beautiful creatures' thing you're talking about is attributed to nymphs, dryads, etc.

None of which were attributed to the Fae. None of which are remotely related to elves or their historical depictions.

The only ones pigeonholing those terms are people from long after that civilization collapsed naming them 'elves' on their own accord. That's not the same.

Point is: You're wrong.

>there were elves in Western literature/folklore before Tolkien

That's exactly my point, too. They didn't have the depiction that we have of them today. In that era, they were referred to as Nymphs and were primarily associated with water.

>>146167222
> Just like how elves were sometimes stand-ins for monsters, the word also referred to beautiful creatures more akin to what Tolkien called as elves.
no place in germanic history was this the case. these were labels applied during the renaissance.
even then they weren't called elves, the more appropriate term would be cherubs.

>>146167982
http://norse-mythology.org/gods-and-creatures/elves/

>>146168220
That's a mis-interpretation, that is not the actual label of that subset of creature. That's the label that they were grouped with when the writings were translated from old english. Calling the creatures imposed from supernatural beauty 'elves' is a generalization derived from old english.

>In Old Norse mythological texts, elves seem at least at times to be counted among the pagan gods; in medieval German texts they seem more consistently monstrous and harmful.

>In English literature of the Elizabethan era, elves became conflated with the fairies of Romance culture, so that the two terms began to be used interchangeably. German Romanticist writers were influenced by this notion of the ‘elf’, and reimported the English word elf in that context into the German language.

Read up: http://karleighbon.com/wp/archives/1889

Elves are just albino goblins.

>>146168989
Goblins are just ugly kobolds without the sensitive features.

>>146167982
>That's exactly my point, too. They didn't have the depiction that we have of them today. In that era, they were referred to as Nymphs and were primarily associated with water.

Excuse me, your point was that before Tolkien, elves were Santa's helpers. >>146164035

Whether or not the term 'elf' became an umbrella term for more creatures than what they originally referred to, the point is that they did exist before Tolkien and Christmas elves.

Not all of them were Tolkien-like but more so to my original point >>146163889, the Japanese adaptations of elves is normally far, far less substantial than elves in Western lore. They don't just have to be pointy eared humans like suggested in >>146164035

>>146169772
>Excuse me, your point was that before Tolkien, elves were Santa's helpers
My point was that before Tolkien, there was not a depiction that matched Tolkien elves. Read my post again.

>Tolkien elves aren't the be-all-end-all of the story.
>Before Tolkien, they were little children dressed in green with curled-toed shoes. Is that interpretation less valid?

And before that, they were monsters.

I like that people have attacked the little-green-santa's-helper statement and not addressed the question itself. Why is that?

>Whether or not the term 'elf' became an umbrella term for more creatures than what they originally referred to, the point is that they did exist before Tolkien and Christmas elves.

Never said they didn't. At the same time, the popularized version wasn't 'Christmas elves', they were inhabitants of the forest depicted in Shakespearean-era plays.

If you go back to their first depictions in old english, this is what you find.

>Not all of them were Tolkien-like but more so to my original point >>146163889, the Japanese adaptations of elves is normally far, far less substantial than elves in Western lore.

But does that make the interpretation less valid, is my question. Why is it less substantial? Because they don't have superpowers?

>>146170155
>My point was that before Tolkien, there was not a depiction that matched Tolkien elves. Read my post again.

Oh, alright. So that's a clarification, although I disagree with the point you're making.

>And before that, they were monsters.

And like I have provided before, there are example where they aren't.

>But does that make the interpretation less valid, is my question. Why is it less substantial? Because they don't have superpowers?

Considering they're adapting it from Western lore, yes, there is precedent, as already provided, that they are a pale imitation for the historical significance of elves.

Nip elves are, as you say, just pointy eared humans normally dressed in unusual clothing compared to humans in their world, whose culture/history is unexplained. They're pale adaptations of Western elves.

There's a Nip version of Western lore, alright? Just like many other things they adopted from the West, they do it in varying degrees of faithfulness. Japanese elves are just crap. Same with orcs.

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