Spirited Away placed #4 in BBC's 100 greatest movies of

>>146157937
>film critics

lol

>>146157937
>BCC
>normies
>/tv/
Kill yourself, crossboarder.

>>146157937
>bbc
>film critics

>>146157964
Some of them are internet wannabes, yeah
But it's *current year* already, kind of have to expect that I guess

>>146157937

As if some BBC tryhard "film critics" have anything to do with us or anyone else. It won't make anime any more popular but if it did that'd be fine.

You may get some "muh sekrit animu club" fags but honestly the more money the industry gets the more leeway creators get to make actually interesting shows instead of desperately catering to nitch markets who actually buy things.

>tl:dr
Fuck them
Fuck you
>>/tv/

>>146158118
Nobody said it's a bad thing
Couldn't care less about secret treehouse

>>146157937
>The Tree of Life
Why do people keep pretending this is nothing more than two hours of pure pretentiousness.

>>146157937
It doesn't mean anything, Spirited Away is there because it's the Ghibli film that got pushed the hardest when it was released in the West.

Not even the best Ghibli film

>5 Boyhood
Nice critics bbc

I just wish the western animation industry would actually try and compete with anime instead of making nothing but horribly-drawn "comedies" and cape comic tie-ins. I don't give a fuck about what normies think, but if it can encourage western animators to actually try and produce something with quality that'd be great.

>>146158118
You can't make the next Miyazaki who will fill up cinemas all across the world. That's why the industry sticks with less ambitious productions that are assured to work.

>>146158573
Didn't people hated Nickelodeon to death for trying to do that?

>>146158573
Inside Out is better than most anime desu

>>146158642
If you're referencing Avatar, copying anime aesthetically and having an asian-influenced setting isn't what I mean by competing with anime.

>>146158573
Hey, considering Kubo is gonna get smashed by Secret Life of Pets we have no one to blame but ourselves.

>>146157937
Spirit Away was the biggest Oscar bait Miyazaki created in his lifetime.
And how the fuck can you rate the 21st century when it's only 2016?

>>146158479
It is imo if we count only the ones from 2000 onward. I liked When Marnie Was There as well but the "shocking truth" you can spot from miles away kind of spolis the ending

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>>146158573
This movie is better than all Nippon shit

>>146158026
*redditor

>>146158727
>It is imo if we count only the ones from 2000
Kaguya Hime was better than Spirited Away though.

>>146158731
It's also by no means indicative of your average western animated work.

>>146158573
Kubo is about the best you're gonna get, man. I watched it this past weekend and it was great, a neat rendition of the "hero's tale/journey."

The ending sequence/credits in particular is awesome. I doubt we'll get much like it for a while.

>19. Mad Max: Fury Road (George Miller, 2015)
>29. WALL-E (Andrew Stanton, 2008)
>33. The Dark Knight (Christopher Nolan, 2008)
>only anime movie is spirited away

hahaha what a joke

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>>146158573
Lad

>>146158886
I don't want to see westerners attempt to represent Japanese settings, I want animation that feels as relevant to western culture as anime feels to Japanese culture. Granted our culture has degraded to a point where most of the shit on Cartoon Network and Disney Channel these days probably is indicative of our culture, but given classic Disney and our literary history the fact that we haven't embraced animation as a medium for different kinds of stories on the level that Japan has is just shameful. We need more animated dramas, romances, sci-fi, thrillers, etc. and way less kids' shows and vulgar "comedy" on network television with less animation than a kindergartner's first flipbook.

>>146158798
>Kaguya Hime
Aw shit I forgot it was Ghibli that made it
I still consider Spirited Away a great story and totally oscar worthy (still I can name better anime films), but I must admit Kaguya is a solid piece of work. The artstyle alone really brings it to life and above other animated movies
I'm in a pinch now

>>146159060
Wall-E is GOAT fuck you

>>146158798
t. Contrarian Faggot

fuck off /tv/

>>146159071
>Watership Down
There was a movie for that?

>>146159071
Anime produces as many quality works as that infographic every 5 years.

>>146157937
>>146158573
>normies

Fuck of back to /reddit9k/.

>>146159071
Was the scooby doo one good?
I dont remember.

>>146159194
hahahah no
>weebs thinking anime isn't trash

>>146159194
Name 10 good anime movies from last 5 years

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>>146159194
I wonder who could be behind this post?

>>146159140
There's anime in there
So fuck you buddy

>>146159255
Name 5 good anime movies from the last 10 years.

>>146159087
Stuff like Utena and Penguindrum are proof of how an animated work can have as much depth and meaning as a literary work. It's too bad the west doesn't take cues from anime because there's a lot of wasted talent working on shallow comedies like Gumball and shit.

I'd love to see more serious cartoons and "Avatar" doesn't really cut it. I never liked that as it was more like third-rate anime/shonen than an original work.

>>146159255
I'm not talking about movies, I'm talking about western animation as a whole. The fact that the only western animation that can compete with anime is in film format just further proves my point that we're way worse at it.

>>146159328
The wind rises

>>146159255
The Case of Hana & Alice
Miss Hokusai
Anthem of the Heart
When Marnie Was There
The Tale of Princess Kaguya
A Letter to Momo
Giovanni's Island
The Wind Rises
The Garden of Words
From Up On Poppy Hill

>>146159255
Not him.
Miss Hokusai, Hana to Alice, Giovanni's Island, Omoide no Marnie, Kaguya, Wind Rises, Yoyo to Nene, You Are Umasou, Letter to Momo, Rainbow Fireflies.

>>146158711
What the fuck man.

I went to go see Kubo and took all my friends with me.

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>>146159403

>>146159465
An exaggeration, but even if most anime is trash, there's about 50x more anime every year than cartoons, so while there may only be a few good anime every year it still outnumbers good cartoons by a wide margin.

Whisper of the Heart was the best ghiblikino

>>146159346
I don't mind dumb show like Gumball and whatever. But I'm really tired of "adult cartoons" the Family Guy and Anerican Dad types- it's all the same shit, whit repetetive 'offensive humor'. South Park is the only one I tolerate because it does say something smart and the crude jokes are simply the tool, all though a lot of people miss the point entirely

>>146159461
Half of this list is garbage tbqh

>>146159581
>kino
fuck off /tv/

>>146159646
>tbqh

>>146159581
I was going to agree with you but
>ghiblikino
Fuck off.

>>146159654
Triggered?

>>146157937
>Giving a shit about some shit tier "critic"
>bbc
>normie
>/tv/
Why is that fucking newfags can't lurk for shit? If you can't lurk then kill your shitty self.

>>146159646
All 7/10 at worst. A couple of the Ghiblis are a bit weak compared to their previous but they're still good movies.

>>146159465
Even if that was true I'd still take that over the furshit that western animation pushes out in a similar proportion. Heck that list of "great" western animated films has many furshit movies in there.

>>146158711
>tfw Kubo is going to be overshadowed and forgotten just like similar classics like Corraline and Para-Norman

>>146159728
>heck
Kys my lad

>>146158727
Kaguya and Wind Rises were better than Spirited Away.

Holy fuck this thread is awful.
/tv/ leaking always ends up like this.

Mods, do your job.

Why are /a/nons so triggered by /tv/?

>>146159780
Don't cut yourself with that edge you 12 year old nigger.

>>146159860
Because your underage posting style sticks out like a sore thumb, and you do not even try to act like you've ever lurked.

Come back in two years.

>>146159860
/tv/ is a shit board. at least they got over their summer glau phase a couple years back, that shit was a record low.

>>146159860
The meme is that /a/ hates all other boards. These people are just trying to fit in.

>>146159914
t.mad rebbitor

>>146159962
Kill yourself.
I'm serious.

>>146159872
That's racist

>>146159255
FMA: The sacred star of Milos
K-On! movie
Berserk (any of them)
Evangelion 3.0
Anohana
A Certain Magical Index: the movie
Dragon Ball Z Battle of Gods
HxH Phantom Rouge
The Idolm@ster Movie
Boruto: Naruto the Movie

There are better 21st century anime movies and Spirited Away is a very "Western" pick, but it's still cool to see it on the list.
>no Love Exposure
Kill yourselves, critics.

>>146159914
>muh newfag boogeyman
Christ just fuck off already. Accusing everyone makes your argument no stronger

>>146160028
What did he mean by this?

>>146159962
Fuck off, crossboarders are despised for a good reason, this thread being a shining example of that.

Stop trying to convince yourself that everyone else is "trying to fit in" just because you're not welcome here.

>>146160028
K-On movie was good, fuck your bait.

>>146159802
>Wind Rises
Worst Miyzaki film of all time. Seriously how could you like that trash?
Porco Rosso is his infinitely better airplane film.

>>146159962
But the thread is about an anime film on the list
Why is it so hard to understand

>>146160125
But The Wind Rises is a better engineering film.

>>146160135
just fuck off

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>>146159403

Nolan remade it and made it better.

>>146160161
I refuse

>>146160060
>everyone
There's a big difference between everyone, and a /tv/ crossboarder using words like 'triggered' and 'kino'.

There's also a difference between being a newfag, and simply refusing to lurk in order to learn proper board culture before shitting all over the place.

>>146160160
It's garbage, and Anno's voice acting is the most cringey shit I've ever heard.
That movie goes absolutely nowhere interesting.

>>146160125
It's his best film. I don't blame you though, it's also his most intelligent and challenging work to date so not everyone gets it on their first watch.

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>33. The Dark Knight
>83. A.I. Artificial Intelligence
>93. Ratatouille
>WALL-E as the highest rated Pixar film and Up is not even listed
>Inglourious Basterds as the only Quentin film

>>146160125
It's much better than Porco Rosso and is Miyazaki's most personal film to date. It's a great exploration of the all engulfing nature of pursuing your dreams and probably the realest Miyazaki had ever gone.
>Which would you choose: a world with pyramids or a world without?

>>146160214
>It's his best film
>The Wind Rises
Please be joking.

>>146160083
Muhhh secret clubbb
Jesus Christ neck yourself

>>146157937
what a bunch of weebs

>>146159860
/tv/ has better judgement.

>>146157937
>I will never be 8 years old and watch this movie for the first time again.
Kill me.

>>146160241
Ratatouille is best animated food kino

>>146160280
You first, /tv/.
Just know that you'll be called out daily on this board for being a humongous faggot.

Pretend to be 18, it will help you in the long run.

>>146160214
No baitin son
We have enough shiposting in here already

>>146160359
Ok man that's your opinion

>>146160256
>It's much better than Porco Rosso
Shut the fuck up, you don't even know what you're talking about.

>>146160346
>2002
>8 years old
/tv/, is that you?

>>146158684
Inside Out is the most overrated animated film since Finding Nemo.

>>146160241
only IB? That's a really shitty list then. Maybe brits don't really understand the way Q's movies reflect aspects of american culture.

>>146157937
Pretentious and overrated as fuck

>>146159071
>Asterix and the Vikings

But it was dogshit.

>>146160241
>>146159128

>>146160256
It's not better than Porco Rosso though in any way. It has worse story, mostly boring characters, and the pacing is shit
And just because it's personal doesn't make it any better

>5. Boyhood (Richard Linklater, 2014)

bwahahahahaha, it took TWELVE years to make

>>146160463
Epic
Upvoted

>>146158711
My mom made me see Secret Life of Pets with her, aside from the great scenery and a Some Like it Hot joke it was completely forgettable.

>>146160463
Anon, that'd make him 22.

>>146160480
>as picked by 177 film critics from around the world

>>146160517
>that IMDb tier criticism
It's okay, not everyone can understand art film.

>>146160463
>maybe like 2 or 3 /tv/ crossboarders
>20 fuckin posts calling them out
Stop

21st century anime movies:

10

The Wind Rises

9

Spirited Away
The Tale of Princess Kaguya
Tamako Love Story

8

Crayon Shin-chan 09
Crayon Shin-chan 22
Mind Game
Ponyo
Princess Arete
Redline

7

The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya
Millennium Actress
Miss Hokusai
Saint Young Men
Tokyo Godfathers
You Are Umasou

6

Colorful
Crayon Shin-chan 08
Crayon Shin-chan 10
Dead Leaves
The Girl Who Leapt Through Time
Metropolis
Paprika
Summer Days with Coo
When Marnie was There
Wolf Children

Weren't half of the top ten complete flops?

>>146160630
Has Crayon Shin-chan seriously had 14+ movies in the last 16 years? Jesus.

>>146160607
>understand art film
There's nothing to understand in The Wind Rises, it's literally just Miyazaki's fetish for airplanes on a movie screen.
There's not a single compelling moment in the movie, and it's completely forgettable.

>>146160463
I am 23, you math genius.

>>146160630
I have never seen so much shit taste in one post.

I sometimes wonder what these film critics would think about stuff like EoE. They most likely never watched any anime outside of Ghibli and maybe GitS.

>>146160696
One per year since early 90s. First dozen and 22 are good imo, with 9 and 22 being the highlights. 24 this year looks promising as well.

>>146160607
You don't understand art, you gotta feel it stupid

>>146160717
It's about war criminal and crimes against humanity
Try to make movie about war criminal set in positive light

Mulholland Drive is pretty based desu

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>>146160630
>Tamako Love Story
>9
Literally, Waiting: The Movie

>>146160828
>war criminal
>the guy who built planes
Do you even know what war crimes are?

>>146160849
Worst Lynch movie

>>146160804
Here is the list of best animation of all time made by animation critics across the world.
http://nishikataeiga.blogspot.com/2010/10/laputas-top-150-japanese-and-world.html

>>146160907
His planes killed billions of Americans

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>>146160828
>It's about war criminal and crimes against humanity
I really don't remember getting that message at all from the film.
And if you want to talk about war films, Takahata did one 10x better than that shit.

>>146160889
That's fine, I only really expect high opinions of that movie from people more film literate.

>>146159137
Kaguya Hime is the only god tier ghibli film along with Nausicaa though

>>146157937
Why the fuck was this made? We already have the BFI who do that Sight & Sound list that's an industry standard. Why are we pumping money into the BBC when they're just copying what other government funded media journalists are doing. Fuck this country makes no sense some times.

>>146160937

There's some pretty good taste in that list.

>>146160971
>from people more film literate
senpai, tell me, what's your favorite film of all time?

>>146160937
Wtf I love Soviet Union now

>>146160828
xD

>>146157937
Ask them about the 20th century and I'm sure there's a lot more Japanese movies represented thanks to Kurosawa. Miyazaki is no Kurosawa after all

>>146157937
Laputa was better than Spirited Away, hell, Totoro was better.

>>146160970
Pic unrelated

>>146161027
Love Live! School Idol Movie

>all these people posting >critics

why do people hate film critics all of a sudden? I understand the type of internet critics that weigh in favour of liberal/shitty movies on Rotten Tomatoes, but the BBC and BFI have a reputation of picking fairly decent film critics.

>>146161113
>all of a sudden
I'm pretty sure critics have always been hated.

>>146160954
I don't recall zero fighters crashing into WTC towers
Still lets have a moment of silence for six billion

>>146159071
>scooby doo
>japanese guy

the fuck

>>146161150

Pearl Harbour.

>>146161066
dude lmao right???
wind rises is so much better than grave of fireflies

>>146161113
>all of a sudden
This isn't /tv/, nigger, /a/ has always given zero shits about global film critics, and really any Japanese critic who isn't a member of the industry themselves, too.

>>146161185
8 billion
Lost but not forgotten

>>146160051
>muh 4 hour panty movie
It was decent but highly episodic and a very small/underdeveloped cast considering its length. If it had been released anyone outside of Japan or maybe France it would have been a a forgotten mini-series, but because of >muh cinema the nips let it be an extended movie and it just doesn't function well in one viewing.

>>146160630
>Wolf Children
>6
Oh, come on. The rest of the list wasn't half bad.

>>146161237
I disagree on all counts

>>146159071
and how many of those were produced in the last 20 years?

>>146161244
Genuinely can't tell if you think that's too high or too low. Hosoda is 6/10 personified.

>>146161113
The opinions of a bunch of film critics who primarily watch Western live-action are about as relevant to /a/ as a first-year film major's.

I'm just glad both the BBC and the Japanese List have Wallace and Grommet on it.

>>146161225
Is there even such thing as respect worthy anime critic?
Christ even the title itself sound cringe worthy

>>146157937
The 21st century ain't even done yet. Christ wait until it's over or something.

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>74. Spring Breakers (Harmony Korine, 2012)

>>146161322
Hosoda was a consistent 8/10 until The angst teenager and the Beast.

>>146161346

In Japan, probably. If respect worthy film critics exist, then respect worthy Anime Critics should as well. Just don't look for them in the west.

>>146161346
It just wouldn't work in a medium as anti-intellectual as anime.

>>146161378
that dog looks like it was drawn by Keisuke Itagaki.

>>146161453
Anime isn't anti-intellectual. You don't have to be a fan of Gakuen Toshi Asterisk or the like just because you're into anime.

>>146158684
>3d shit
>animation

>>146160970
Will Kono sekai no katasumi ni BTFO of Hotaru no haka and Kaze tachinu?

>>146161378
Agreed, the magnum opus of the greatest living American director deserves at least top ten

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>tree of life on the list
>fountain isn't
Cmon.

>>146161421
Not him, but I made the list. I wouldn't put anything of his over a 5 or 6. Most worth a one-time viewing but he's very unambitious. He's talented though.

>>146161428
Yeah I guess
It's just that when you live in the west and genuinely care about 2d animation it's hard to not go cynical when so few seem to actually treat is as an actual art form. It hurts me a little

>>146161139
Yeah but why?
>>146161225
>This isn't /tv/
/tv/ hate critics more than any other board. Plus I have never once in all my time on this board heard of anyone mention a Japanese critic, see >>146161346
>nigger
moms gonna freak!
>>146161328
>film critics who primarily watch Western
If you honestly think this is still true you're not familiar with current trends in cinema. Japan, India, South Korea, Nigeria and many middle eastern nations (Iran is the best example) have had massive movements/resurgences during the 21st century, whereas nations like in the Americas or Western Europe have mostly stagnated outside of niche independent scenes. Also anime hardly differs too widely from Western animation or even live action film in terms of aesthetic principles, cinematography, writing or editing.

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>>146158684
>>146158731
>>146159071
>>146159236
>>146159255
>>146159261
>>146159646


Asshurt /co/mblrinas detected.

>>146158573
>normies

>>146161784
>anime hardly differs too widely from Western animation

Are you serious? Anyway, the reason I don't take film critics seriously when it comes to anime is because they've likely never watched anything beyond Ghibli.

>>146161291
care to elaborate or nah, I mean I like the movie but it would be nice to hear the opinion of someone who believes it is top 100 of 21st century

>>146157937
>2. In the Mood for Love (Wong Kar-wai, 2000)
>8. Yi Yi: A One and a Two (Edward Yang, 2000)
Nice to see these two up high in the list.
>12. Zodiac (David Fincher, 2007)
Not even his best movie.

>>146157937
Of course it did
Fucking millenials love that movie
Anyway you can tell these shit for brains haven't even watched all the Oscar nominated live action films of the past decade let alone all the animated ones
This is just bait for people with no taste to pretend like they have some

>>146161378
You just made me search that. Sounds crazy enough to be fun.

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>>146161736
Malick>>>>>Aranofsky

>>146157937
>20. Synecdoche, New York (Charlie Kaufman, 2008)
>19. Mad Max: Fury Road (George Miller, 2015)
>29. WALL-E (Andrew Stanton, 2008)
>62. Inglourious Basterds (Quentin Tarantino, 2009)
>61. Under the Skin (Jonathan Glazer, 2013)
>74. Spring Breakers (Harmony Korine, 2012)
>100. Requiem for a Dream (Darren Aronofsky, 2000)
Most of those movies aren't even worth watching to be honest

>>146162009
Why are such a pleb

>>146161833
what was the name of that movie? I have been meaning to see it, but the name is escaping me

>>146161896
Not /a/ related and I'm not feeling particularly eloquent at the moment, so for now you'll have to accept that "I just like it a lot, man"

>>146160630
>Wind Rises
>10
I loved it but its a 9, switch it with Kaguya Hime.
>Tamako Love Story
>9
God fucking no, high 6 to low 7.
>Mind Game
>8
Thats a fucking 6. Pretentious as fuck movie.
But even out of all this shit taste THIS
>Millenium Actress
>7
IS DISGRACEFUL

The only 10/10s in the 21st Century are Kaguya Hime and Millennium Actress. The only 9/10s are Kaze Tachinu, Metropolis and maybe Tokyo Godfathers.

>>146161947
Cmon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr0NBPRMe2E

>>146162104
Mind Game is a masterpiece you cuck.

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>Not Fantasia

>>146162043
I watch a lot of movies but those movies suck ass.

>>146162182
Mind Game is literally Yuasa's worst project, the animation was good but the general story was mind numbing and dull.

>>146162193
It's 20th, technically.

>>146161883
>Are you serious?
Yeah, the language of cinema and the function of editing is almost universal. Take, for one example, the Kuleshov effect. The principle of associative editing is exactly the same from anime to live action Western films, or cartoons, or any visual work with editing. It's just how our mind is wired to associated two different images. The Kuleshov effect in particular is prevelent in "experimental" anime works, such as Serial Experiments Lain or EoE. It ties back to Freud's dream theory and the way our mind associates certain ideas. Most techniques in visual media derive from our psychology, ergo what works in live action films will work in animated films.
>Anyway, the reason I don't take film critics seriously when it comes to anime is because they've likely never watched anything beyond Ghibli
this is probably right to be fair, probably not to the extent of having only seen Ghibli, but I doubt most film critics, particularly in such a broad poll, had seen more than 5 anime films a year at most. which is still more than most of /a/ tbqhfam
>>146162100
that's cool don't worry about it then

>>146162099
Bakemono no ko
It's ok_

>>146162104
7 is great in my books

>>146162255
No it's his best. His TV projects tend to be too restrained. The excessiveness lends itself to a certain charm and is tied to the film's core of living life to the fullest.

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>>146162326
Fantasia 2000

>>146157937
spirited away sucks - 80s ghibli or bust

>>146162396
For me 5 is mediocre, 6 is okay, 7 is good, 8 is great, 9 is pretty bloody great and 10 is masterpiece/amazing.
And going the other way 4 is below mediocre, 3 is bad, 2 is shit and 1 is among the worst in existence.

>>146159255
>blatantly requesting shit.

>>146162395
oh :/ well I'll probably watch it anyway thank you though!

>>146161784
> anime hardly differs too widely from Western animation or even live action film in terms of aesthetic principles, cinematography, writing or editing.
It differs in writing and in animation approach a whole fucking lot, actually (though that's true for TV more than for movies), but the bigger issue is that shit like this top movies list are going to wind up very predictable on the anime front because the critics don't fucking pay attention to anime and only know of a small number of them. Even the average anon has probably been exposed to several times as many anime movies as the average critic who contributed to this list, and that's why most of /a/ is going to be dismissive of it.

Best Ghibli film since 2000 is The Wind Rises.

Best overall is Grave of the Fireflies,

Spirited Away was neat but it seemed to be all over the place and lacked a single unifying theme or storyline. None of what happened was really the result of any choices made by the protagonist, it all seemed like a big chaotic mess of things outside of her control, which made it not ideal. But the fantastical elements and the world-building and all that were really great. It was a neat idea for a movie that I just kind of found unsatisfying.

I would rate it about middle of the pack for Ghibli movies.

>>146161113
>BFI have a reputation of picking fairly decent film critics.
>muh citizen kane
>muh the searchers
Yeah, I don't think so. They keep jerking off to the same old, same old.

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>>146157937
>#5. Boyhood
IT TOOK 12 YEARS TO MAKE

>>146157937
S-sasuga Miyazaki-chan.

>>146162395
Kill yourself for spoonfeeding.
>>146162685
>oh :/
And you kill yourself for being fucking retarded.

>>146158731
Is this Waltz with Bashir? Gotta rewatch that.

>>146162786
I heard it took 12 years to make?

>>146162455
December 17, 99.

>>146158431
because you're a disgusting pleb

>>146162717
This. There's nothing interesting to discuss anime-wise about best-of lists created by people who've seen ten anime.

>>146162766
It's basically about Old/New Japan. The parents turning into pigs signified the greed around the economic recession during the 80s.

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>>146162766
>not the Cat Returns
shit taste fagmala

>>146162775
Literally last time they took the poll Citizen Kane was topped by Vertigo.

Your point also ignores the fact that both Citizen Kane and The Searchers consistently make the directors poll, Citizen Kane coming 3rd in 2012.

>>146162964
I watched The Cat Returns a few days ago. Firt legit children Ghibli movie I've ever watched.

>>146158026
/a/utist

>>146162766
>Spirited Away was neat but it seemed to be all over the place and lacked a single unifying theme or storyline
The film almost flawlessly masks >>146162945 in a very tight coming-of-age fantasy story. It's easy to be jaded seeing as it always tops every anime list by normies, but Spirited Away is so much more than a middling Ghibli film. I would go as far as argue that if someone honestly believes Spirited Away isn't at least top 50 of the 21st century they're deluded.

>>146162904
It's true
but
There's still the fact that it scored so high. I wouldn't be surprised to just see one on the list somewhere, cause yeah anime is a thing so we might as well have it. 4th place is pretty fuckin good too, makes you wonder what the reason for that

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>>146157937
>5. Boyhood

>>146162975
Except Vertigo sucks too.
>Citizen Kane and The Searchers consistently make the directors poll,
It doesn't matter. By fucking default they will place those shitty movies at the top no matter what happens.

>>146159071
Gotta rewatch also Kirikou.
>>146160028
Some of those have godlike animation if nothing else.
>>146159860
Because /tv/ doesn't care about movies. They're cancer.
>>146160630
>>146162104
>I have shit taste

>>146163024
See >>146158026

>david lynch movie is number 1
Why am I not surprised

>>146161027
De Palma's Body Double.

>>146163214
>>146162775
How much of an uneducated nigger can you be without actually being a nigger?
>>146161453
>>146161346
>>146161225
>>146161328
Don't you have some random seasonal anime to watch at 2x speed?
Fuck off.

>>146162964
It's such a pleasent surprise this one. The only description I had read before watching told me it's Whisper of the Heart spin-off so I was sort of interested since it's my Ghibli's favourite, but man was that a blatant lie. It's such a neat small story and so amazingly charming at that. Doesn't actually have that much of Ghibli feeling, but still has the magic

>>146163412
/tv/ cuck please go.

>>146163412
Don't have to get so butthurt, anon. They're ancient shitty movies. The only people that even watch them are film students or old critics that feel nostalgic for the good old days when color movies didn't exist.

>>146157937
>Is ancient art of japanese moving pictures finally getting the respect it deserves among normies?
It's not like it won an Oscar or anything.

I don't even know how people like you are able to function in real life, even with things as simple as breathing.

>>146163457
My only problem with the film was that it was way too short.

>>146163524
Are you having a stroke?

>>146163494
This is bait and if you aren't a film student your opinion on movies shouldn't be taken seriously. It's like an anime fan acting elite without knowing what the 12 principles of animation are.

>>146163412
Anon your pills

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>>146161901
>Zodiac
>not even his best
I don't particularly like Fincher but gotta say the scene where the mother is picked up still gives me the chills.

I love Wong Kar Wai, this one was an amazingly powerful scene.

>>146160135
>But the thread is about an anime film on the list
Yes and ?
If Mcdonalds start selling OPM toys with their happy meal you are going to start a thread about that too? We don't do these kind of threads because they invite crossboarding discussion. In 99% of the cases these threads devolve into shitty argument between /a/ and the board concerned.

>>146163604
Those "principles" was created by Cuckney and what fucking did they ever create? Shitty movies that sucked ass. What a fucking joke.
>and if you aren't a film student your opinion on movies shouldn't be taken seriously
Nobody cares about film students

>>146163553
Yeah, but I feel like they used every single minute well. It's just one of these small stories that makes you crave for more, but at the same time you know that there's really nothing else to add

>>146163604
>It's like an anime fan acting elite without knowing what the 12 principles of animation are.
This isn't really important though. How animation works in Japan is not how it works anywhere else.

>>146163558
Are you?

>>146163762
>implying there shouldn't have been more scenes in the cat kingdom
fuck, i just wish it was at least 10 minutes longer, it just was a great film
it also helps that i love cats too so that may be why

>>146163558
Did something I say not make sense? Are you a third worlder?

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>>146163737
>Cuckney
You just can't make this shit up.

>>146163780
You still need to know what it is. No one can be taken seriously if their opinions lack the historical context.

>>146163867
but anime surpassed western animation 20 years ago so who the fuck cares anymore

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>>146163479
I don't browse /tv/. I tried discussing two similar interesting scenes from different movies once and the thread died with no one replying but one guy telling me there was nothing to talk about.

It's cancer.
>>146163494
I don't see any problem with getting told a story in any possible way, even without sound and in b/w.
>>146163737
Don't fucking insult classic Disney you nigger. Anyone who can create something like this has my complete respect.

>>146163724
No because I care not for OPM and McDonalds
But to be real I think we should discuss anime/manga in relation to the medium their part of more often. It's kind of risky since anons tend to lose the sight of the topic and drift into other boards territory, but I still believe we should try it from time to time. Just to break out of our shells of waifu wars and actually get a better picture of an industry as a while
And it pains me to admit that this thread haven't worked quite as well as I would like to
Oh well, c'est la vie

>>146163927
All they do is create shitty sequels and animation was created by other people before them. They make awful cartoons that's for retarded children.
>Don't fucking insult classic Disney
Classic implies it's worth watching, anon.

>>146163899
Not in character animation. "Cinephiles" who stick to American cinema should be looked down upon. Same with Japanese and American animation fans who don't explore Russian, Estonian, Hungarian, Chinese, Polish, Czech, French, African, British, Canadian, Armenian animation.

>>146164122
>implying any of those countries ever made decent animation
Japan and America are literally the only other places that made anything decent. Sure, there was stuff like Heavy Metal and Rock n Rule from Canada, and the Snow Queen from Russia and Felidae (a very impressive film I have to say) from Germany, they're all but footnotes compared to what Japan and America has accomplished.

>>146163899
Not him, but that is some bullshit. Japs can't Cg, Can't Rotoscope, can't Tween properly, use constant still frames with a good artstyle and some how made people think they have good animation. Japs make shitty stories, and have a bunch of writing errors.

The West(or America and a few European states) did animation and had way better writing that still can't be surpassed. Shit most 2D films from 2008 were better than anime today.

If your post was bait then I'm sorry for responding to it.

>>146164243
Russian animation tradition outdoes Nippon animation actually. Stay ignorant or actually learn something.

>>146164312
maybe if euro's didn't always have to have shit aesthetics people would watch their trash

>>146164312
Kill yourself, slav.

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>>146157937
TWELVE
YEARS
TO
MAKE

>>146164312
That's not true in the slightest. Not that guy's not an idiot, but still.

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Masterpiece soon

Spirited Away is a good movie

BUT

It's not that good. There are better anime movies in the 21st century. These film "Critics" just picked the safest studio, Ghibli with the safest director Miyazaki, one which already has an academy "award" and put it on the list to seem "inclusive" and worldly.

nonesense

>>146164410

And yet Birdman trashed it.

>>146157937
>boyhood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzhpbXQDl6g

>>146164464
Hope so
Despite my better judgement I actually have high hopes for it

>>146160480
do u think they understand when he lifts complete scenes from other well-known movies

>>146161064
laputa's the best miyazaki, but the list is anything after the year 2000

>>146163214
name one pre-1970s movie you enjoy. Oh wait a second, you're like one of these millenial faggots >>146163494 who honestly believe that nobody outside of special circles watch old movies. Next you'll tell me only people who post on /a/ watch anime.

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>>146165279
The good, the bad and the ugly.

>>146161915
>Anyway you can tell these shit for brains haven't even watched all the Oscar nominated live action films of the past decade let alone all the animated ones
>fuck the critics whose sole purpose is critiquing the medium in the hopes that it might improve
>I bet they don't closely follow an industry award show circlejerk aimed to celebrate popular trends in the hope that movie tickets continue to sell, all while attempting to insecurely validate their relatively new medium as an art-form only to get approval from the critics of another older medium
do you even hear yourself anon?

>>146165408
>literal fedora spaghetti western
>better than Citizen Kane, Vertigo or The Searchers
damn really makes you think

>>146164464
scared it will be the biggest disappointment of the year

>>146165525
CK has a weak, silly story, so does Vertigo. The Searchers isn't even good in general. When people think overrated movies they typically think Forrest Gump, but it's really those movies critics have put on a pedestal for no reason whatsoever. Nobody even dares to criticize them even if they were ever that good. But go ahead, have fun with your little old men club if you want.

>>146164312
Any examples?

>>146164309
Are you fucking stupid?
Nips can't cg? They can't rotoscope?
Look at the Gantz movie and the Mob Psycho ED.

>>146165621
>CK has a weak, silly story, so does Vertigo
You what. Both deeply explore the human nature and are technical masterpieces.

>>146157937
>is japanese moving pictures finally
Shut the fuck up new fag.
Princess Mononoke had an entire section at Blockbuster with all of Stu Gibs other movies underneath it.
Spirited Away is so mainstreamed my niece who is a fucking cheerleader has seen it. That bitch only fucks jocks.

Anime isn't some weeb nerd shit show like it use to be.
Only /a/ thinks this way, anime has been mainstream for years. Normies have been watching anime since the early 2ks.

>>146165642
The Old Man and the Sea, probably.
Ruskies even win Jap animation prices.

>>146163097
>>146165897
Fuck off.

>>146165884
i don't think ck's rosebud story has aged well, and from what i've read welles also regretted that part, but yeah otherwise i'd agree it's very strong otherwise. and the cinematography was quite unbelievable for the time, though that's more of a historical type of appreciation.

i agree that searchers kind of sucked, though it was pretty

>>146165884
Oh please. CK has the most shallow story ever. If you compare it to books it's a fucking joke.
>technical masterpieces
Why don't you indulge us a little bit why you think CK and The Searchers are the best movies ever made and are such great stories? Seriously I'm waiting. Give it your best shot.

Why hasn't this bait (not to mention off-topic) thread been pruned yet?

>>146165944
You fuck off
Go outside you little shit stained pajeet.
You'd see that you have common interest with everyone now days.
Anime is mainstream, if you like anime you're the same as a normie.
You're hipster level.

If you want to be obscure do something called workout or not be fat.

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>33. The Dark Knight
>Not a single bit of Marvel in sight

How will the Marvelcucks ever recover?

>>146164464
Yeah, this might be really good. It might surpass Disappearance levels of good.

>>146165642
Entry-level director recs: Yuriy Norshtyen (considered the greatest animator to ever live), Aleksandr Petrov, Andrei Khrzhanovsky, Ivan Maximov, Igor Kovalyov, Marianna Novogrudskaya, Alexander Tatarsky, Fyodor Khitruk, Anatoly Petrov.

>>146157937
>4. Spirited Away (Hayao Miyazaki, 2001)
>3. There Will Be Blood (Paul Thomas Anderson, 2007)
>2. In the Mood for Love (Wong Kar-wai, 2000)
>1. Mulholland Drive (David Lynch, 2001)

Such hipster much wow. Spirited Away is the anime that best caters to westerners who claim to be humble appreciators of eastern spirituality and mysticism.

that said I actually love it and this list is not that bad either aside from the lack of scifi

>>146165408
For a Few Dollars More > The Good, the Bad and the Ugly > A Fistful of Dollars

>>146165621
>>146165957
>>146166007
>CK has a weak, silly story
First of all CK is loosely based on the real life of William Randolph Hearst, and deals in themes of deep rooted self-doubt, longing for youth, the excess and meaninglessness of wealth, the importance of upbringing, concepts of how wealth can change someone, the distinction between social constructs of "new rich" and "old rich". There's nothing "weak" or "silly" about it, it is an incredibly concise exploration of the emotional failings of capitalism, explored through the tragic story of a man whose humble upbringings had been robbed of him. It's simultaneously a celebration of the success one can achieve through hard-work and the riches that comes with entrepreneurship, but also a self-defeating critique of the loneliness and isolation that comes with pursuing such a path, in a greater sense a critique of how we tend to celebrate those who have material riches but lack the common riches of family or a love, a cautionary narrative that has been echoed for ages but again excellently captured within the brief slice we see of Kane's life. This is all delivered to the audience through a capturing and storytelling device, the deep focus technique, which has been imitated so heavily ever since that it is hard to believe that Orson Welles pioneered it considering this was his first ever picture. Not only does the film's deep, multilayered frame offer depth not only in character presence and framing, but the motion of the camera denotes as much as any cut could. The film's visuals were/are a flawless marriage of old silent cinematography and the contemporary style still prevalent today.

The thing that is so beautiful about all of this is that it is so effortless integrated into the film with such nuance and skill on Orson's part that, to this day, retards like you can still claim to not get why the film is so praised.

I cba to write about the other two

>>146166175
in the mood for love obviously should have been #1 but they can't give that spot to a chink

>>146166175
>Such hipster
kek

>4. Spirited Away (Hayao Miyazaki, 2001)
top grossing JP film
>3. There Will Be Blood (Paul Thomas Anderson, 2007)
most acclaimed film of a very famous US director
>2. In the Mood for Love (Wong Kar-wai, 2000)
most acclaimed film of a very famous HG director
>1. Mulholland Drive (David Lynch, 2001)
most acclaimed film of a very famous US director

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>>146166050
>Not a single bit of Marvel in sight
Because the list has fulfilled its Disney quota with the Pixar movies.

Also
>Inside Out and Wolf of Wall Street above the Pianist
>no Full Metal Jacket

>>146166007
>The Searchers
Never mentioned that. Never seen it and I have no intention to.
>the most shallow story ever
Why do you think it has the most shallow story ever?
For me it clearly show how a person's character is created. It shows the weakness and the strength, the greatness and the smallness of a human being and does that in a majestic way.

>>146166050
At least Marvel adaptations actually follow the original material instead of being liberal "interpretations".

>>146166205
welles didn't pioneer deep focus, that was his cinematographer gregg toland, who used the picture to experiment.

>>146157937
Spirited Away isn't even Miyazaki's best work, if anything it's the film that started the trend of declining quality in his movies. So basically

>film critics

lol

never understood this movie

>>146166371
you're telling me a cinematographer was in charge of set design and telling actors where to stand?

>>146166370
But that's precisely why The Dark Knight appealed to actual film critics instead obese comic fanboys. Despite the premise of a billionaire in a batsuit fighting crime they made Gotham feel like a genuine city.

>>146166205
A lot of words to describe a gimmicky film that adults wouldn't consider mature if they're older than 15. >>146166315
Because the story is just a flashback and the ending is boring. The ultimate conclusion of the story is really just that he drove people away. Big deal. Even as a subject that's uninteresting. The irony is that the movie that reminds me of Citizen Kane the most is Scarface, a movie that was loathed by critics and they called it a B movie. It's really B movie storytelling. What used to be innovative will also become cliche and boring 60-80 years later. Maybe in the next century critics will admit that CK and the searchers doesn't hold up.

>>146166379
In other words you agree it's his best of the 21st century.

>>146166435
i'm sure toland had input on the blocking given that deep focus was his invention and welles admittedly was a cinematography novice, at the time, coming from theatre. i can't speak to how much either was directly responsible, of course.

>>146166538
They probably called it a B Movie because the acting, writing, and subject matter are pretty much what you'd see in Drive-in or Direct to Video B grade fare. There's just slightly more talent behind it. Its a very trashy movie.

>4 Pixar movies
>no Birdman or The Double

>>146166705
Nah, the story is more or less the same. Just told through a drug lord in the 80s.

>>146166538
IMDb tier criticism

>>146166538
I didn't like CK when I was younger because I thought it was boring but then I grew up a little bit and find posts like this funny

>>146166786
IMDb criticism is just people saying Pixar's movies aren't as good anymore. But nice try.>>146166807
I'm glad you enjoyed, moron.

>>146166774
except Citizen Kane used the story to explore themes of wealth, class, childhood, love, maturity, death and peace. Scarface used the story to facilitate for cheesy one-liners and action set pieces. If you honestly believe a movie begins and ends at the basic framework I'm not sure how I can help you

>century not even a quarter done
>people already making lists

>>146166874
Like I said before, it's still shallow.

>>146166920
But how though? you can't just use these buzzwords and expect it to serve as some profound criticism

>>146166538
>gimmicky
>boring
>uninteresting
>B movie
>cliche
>boring
literally Buzzwords: the post

>>146166920
anon i can understand why you wouldn't like kane, but maybe comparing it to a braindead movie for meathead retards isn't so smart

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>Even Rebellion is a better film than Spirited Away

>Contemporary critics with no artistic sense jerk off Myazaki just like they jerk of Spielberg and call their bland fairy tale optimism "hopeful and inspiring"

Absolutely disgusting.

>>146167046
Madoka is literally one of the worst anime out there and bottom of the barrel mahou shoujo. Get out pleb.

>>146162893
>letting a completely vulnerable prey live when it has no means to recover is mercy

Sorry if I wanted to spend ten minutes looking at ink blooms I would have gone to YouTube.

>>146157937
Why's pixar so fucking popular with the critics?
Seriously I don't get it. They're not bad but they're not that great either.

>>146166957
Movies as a storytelling medium is pretty weak to begin with. In fact, that's what the greatest filmmakers don't always realize. You can basically tell a story that's 2-3 hours long. When people say it explores love, riches, and all that, that's as shallow as can be compared to books. And that's why CK is so overrated like I said before. It's just film critics jerking off to a movie that was innovative 200 years ago, even if other better movies have been made since then. But if you say anything else you get all the other idiots who haven't even seen it that say
>but but but I heard critics said it was good. It was about the sleeeed!
Gimme a break>>146167010
Except that's also how Welles described it. Not feeling so smart now, do you? Even Welles thought Chimes at Midnight was his best movie.

>>146167046
Do you really have any right to talk about artistic sense when praising Madoka?

>>146167133
CGIshit attracts normies.

>>146167046
Siskel and Ebert literally killed film criticism.

>>146166845
Later Pixar movies aren't as good as they used to be. Inside Out is their only remarkable work in the last half decade.

>>146167133
They have one good story (main character is dissatisfied with their life and tries something new, only to discover he should have appreciated what he had more and matures) and recycle it over and over. People go to Pixar movies for the visual spectacle but they're by no means "great" works. So much for the Big Black Cock critics.

>>146167145
>>146167107
You're just upset literally a mediocre sequel to a magical girl show had more lifeful animation than an Disney funded shinto couched retelling of Odysseus.

>>146167141
>he says this on a board dedicated to a medium without a good story told in the last 50 years

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>>146167246
>more lifeful animation
>SA is a retelling of Odysseus because pig transformation

>>146167246
Madoka (both the series and the films) is literally the Serbian film of anime. If you think otherwise you are a pretentious twat.
>muh shock value
>muh Faust

One of the most juvenile, obnoxious, exploiting piece of garbage ever made by man.

>>146167251
>implying Boku no Pico isn't the greatest exploration of the heroes journey in a visual medium

>>146167141
It's shallow because I have to explain it to you in basic terms. It would be literally impossible for me to describe the themes the film explores fully because film, as a medium, distinct from literature, has visual, audio and montage components that aid in the development of narrative and establishing of themes. These components are inherently abstract, you know the old expression: "A picture is worth a thousand words". Not to decry literature but it is very clearly limited in that it is just text, it is straightforward in that everything literally has to be spelled out to the reader. Film is limited in its own respects, but to say that its shallow because the basic terms of its story isn't as deep as a 400+ page book is ignorant to the immense unique beauty that comes from editing, cinematography and audio accompaniment. To be frank, and I honestly don't mean to be rude, all your post proves is a gross misunderstanding of the quality of film. You've only proven yourself to be ignorant of everything that makes cinema such a beautiful artform in is own right, unique from all else.

>>146167341
>Not enjoying a faustian deconstruction of societally reflective children's fantasy with an ultimately bittersweet ending

I bet you think Kubrick films are unnecessarily dark and icky.

>>146167341
>exploiting
agree 100%

>>146157937

Why are none of the LOTR movies on this list. They're the best fantasy movies of all time.

>>146167564
They're too inferior to the novels.

>>146167564
They aren't.

>>146167141
>Except that's also how Welles described it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFevH5vP32s
there reaches a point in any great man's life where you have to stop taking what they say so seriously
>Not feeling so smart now, do you?
sorry if I sounded smug but no need to be rude friendo
>Even Welles thought Chimes at Midnight was his best movie
that's because he felt close to the characters and particularly enjoyed the source material.
also may I redirect you to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFevH5vP32s

>>146167046
>Even Rebellion is a better film than Spirited Away
Only if you asset them in base to the amount of yuribait they contain.

>>146167610

Give a better example then please.

>>146167637
John Boorman's Excalibur.

>>146167564
As a whole, maybe, individually only The Ring Community stands.

>>146167420
It's certainly unique but that doesn't change the fact a book can tell a better story than a movie, let alone that a movie requires to be shallow to make back its money. You don't seem to understand what I'm even saying by now. Goodbye.>>146167611
Well, everybody enjoys wine. Welles was a patrician, after all.

>>146167494
Madoka is what happens when an insecure manchild tries to legitimatize an already mature and confident genre. Don't even try to compare it to Kubrick. The fact that you have to bring up highly acclaimed names like him and Goethe prove your desperation to elevate this superficial and immature shockfest beyond its actual worth.

>>146167564
>>146167637
any alejandro jodorowsky movie

>>146167663
Snyder?

>>146167663

It's a good film (and the best King Arthur Film out there), but it's let down by skimping on a lot of stuff, leaving a lot of the good characters out and poor dialogue in parts.

>>146157937
>5. Boyhood (Richard Linklater, 2014)
Is it true it took twelve years to make?

>>146162685
>:/

Why don't you do everybody a favour and kill yourself instead?

>>146167679
>an insecure manchild
You talking about Shinbo or Urobutcher? Because if it's the latter, the guy's writing a fucking puppet show and being proud of it.

>>146167674
Cite one thing that the medium of literature has that inherently makes it better for storytelling than film.

hard mode: length doesn't count because you're basically saying all short books are shit

>>146167690

I've seen El Topo and the Holy Mountain. They're a bit too artsy, trippy and crazy for any but the most hardcore people.

>>146167779
No, its not perfect. There's quite a bit of bad/cheesy acting. That is my honest response though.

>>146162685
>:/
Idiot

>>146167679
>Suddenly an entry to a genre is a cheap shock show if it doesn't firmly set itself in the happy power of friendship tropes that dominate it, and takes a adult swing at gaining super powers from a random mascot creature.
>Breaks down each previous Magical Girl style protagonist archetype and shows them how their actions would be folly in a more violent rendition of the setting with consequences for failure.

Its taking the genre and applying it to a harder sci fi setting and moral framework. You would only complain if you're a Freudian hack who thinks every magical girl anime should be a puberty analysis.

>>146167822
but the question wasn't "which is the most popular", it's "name one better"

>>146167784
That's right anon, Boyhood took twelve years to make.

>>146167837

I respect that, and I am a fan of Excalibur, but LOTR just has the perfect blend of good characters, sets, action, scenery, most of the Book's flaws removed while keeping most of the book in the movie with the fat trimmed out. It's about as good an adaption of a fantasy series as will ever exist.

>>146167809
Because of what you said earlier. While it's true cinema has acting, music, direction, even other advantages, it simply can't catch up to books as a storytelling medium. I don't think that's a bad thing, ultimately, because the kind of movies I enjoy still exist. But you're delusional if you think that movies could. That's why a lot of movies don't get made, their stories are simply too complicated to tell in a any kind of movie. You must understand this on some level, right?

>>146167690
Fuck off Adam you disgusting furfaggot. Nobody cares about your shitty LSD trash.

>>146167341
I liked it because I thought it was very well paced and intriguing. I wanted to know more about why magical girls exist, why Homura acts the way she does, and why Kyubey uses them. I liked that something new is revealed each episode with very little fluff between them all. The ending's not exactly shocking or exploitave. It shows that the actions of one person can break a viscous cycle. Homuras own actions were hopeful and virtuous. She wanted to save her best friend from despair.

>>146167822
it's really funny that george harrison was in talks to be the thief in the holy mountain but showing his asshole was just Too Much.