Bleach

>>146063997
Lel no. Yhwach would maul them.

>>146063997
Not Dangai Ichigo. But Aizen is still proven to be the most broken character in Bleach since his KS can even fool someone who can see and change the future. He still has (had?) his Bankai as well. Bach also isn't immortal.

>>146063997
>Dangai Ichigo
Ichigo's latest Bankai is arguably stronger.

Yes.

Aizen and Dangai Ichigo are far superior to Bach.

1. People can feel Bachs energy, and we know that actually works against him. It's canon that stronger people can't have there energy sensed by weaker people.

2. Aizens Shikai literally hard counters the Almighty, and FGT is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the base Shikai swing that killed Bach

3. Ichigo wasn't fused with his sword like when he was against aizen, which we know is the peak of a zans power

4. Aizen is immortal, so Bach has literally no way to defeat him

>>146064483
>Aizen is immortal, so Bach has literally no way to defeat him
He has no way to kill him and his Shikai is useless against a guy who can literally manipulate the future to his will. We were shown this. Aizen might be immortal but Yhwach can rewrite futures where he died, which kinda makes him pseudo-immortal. But yeah, in an actual fight, Aizen would get massacred. So would Ichigo.

>>146063997
Reminder that Aizen never used his Bankai. Bach isn't even good enough for that.

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>>146063997
Kazui >>>>> Bach + Soul King + Ichigo + Aizen + Orihime + Zero Divison + Gotei 13
Prove me wrong.

>>146064665
>Reminder that Aizen never used his Bankai.
You know, he probably never even had one. It would make sense that he just used his KS to make everyone think that he had a bankai.

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>>146063997
>Azienfags with their delusion again

>>146064616
>his Shikai is useless against a guy who can literally manipulate the future to his will. We were shown this
I'm confused why you think this. We were shown that his Shikai DOES work against Bach and tricked him long enough for Ichigo to swing at him. It might result in nothing since Bach can just reverse this, but it does work.

Bach won't be able to rewrite a future where Aizen dies because Aizen is immortal and nothing will affect this since he obtained this power before Bach obtained his. If those two were to fight one-on-one, it essentially couldn't end.

>>146064483
>It's canon that stronger people can't have there energy sensed by weaker people
unless they specifically allow for it, like, you know, when they deliberately use it to crush people and stop them in their tracks, which is the only time Yhwach was ever sensed at anything remotely close to full power.

It baffles me how people don't realize how broken end ichigo actually was. He was capable of destroying bach easily. The only reason he couldn't was because he kept breaking his sword and manipulating the future so that he could never be hit by Ichigo. Ichigo is fucking strong but got meta so hard.

>>146065114
>It might result in nothing since Bach can just reverse this
Well, yeah, that's why I said it was useless. Even when he was using it with Ichigo's support, he still lost an arm fighting Yhwach. If we were talking about a fight to the death, then you're right, there would never be a winner. But Yhwach has more options available to him to at least incapacitate Aizen, such as Yamamoto's bankai (he's never used it, but since we've seen other Quincy use bankai, it can be assumed that he can too), Sankt Altar and obviously the Almighty.

>>146065718
You forgot the fact that aizen can spam kidou.

>>146065886
I don't think that would pose too much of a threat to Yhwach, considering he dealt with a 99 Hadou from Aizen with ease.

>>146064745
Just wait until Soul Society decides to cut his limbs. That little kid will have a really rough future.

>>146063997

Individually both of them would get obliterated by Bach.

Any thoughts on which form was more powerful between Dangai Ichigo and his latest Bankai? Or even Mugetsu Ichigo against Ywach at the end of the manga?

>>146063997

Kinda shitty he's still in prison but I'm glad he's alive.

>>146066172
>Implying the reincarnation of Yhwach won't just use the Almighty and destroy them all

>>146066184
Considering the whole "lose your powers" condition it's safe to say that Mugetsu is probably peak Ichigo. It also acted as a foreshadowing to his actual Zanpakuto later on because he only got it by fighting the Yhwach/Hollow hybrid.

But the comparison is pretty useless since it doesn't hold up. Both Aizen and Yhwach are just utterly fucking broken because Kubo didn't think it through. Mugetsu Ichigo is most likely factually stronger than both but that doesn't matter as Aizen and Yhwach are practically immortal.

>>146063997
God Tier: Aizen, Dangai Ichigo, Almighty Ywach
SS Tier: Ichibei, Yamamoto
S Tier: Miracle, X-axis
A+ Tier: Bankai Kenpachi, Adult Hitsugaya, Byakuya, Bankai Shunshui, Mayuri with prep
A Tier: Ougetsu, Perina, Askin
A- Tier: Urahara, Yuruichi, Renji, Rukia, Gremmy

Don't know where to put Uryu and B, they lack feats against other characters. The rest are fodders


and last
Chad Tier: Chad

>>146066429
The Soul King also had the Almighty and look what happened to him. But maybe he will activate it on his ninth birthday. There are rumors that say this is how the plot of the movie will be kickstarted.

>>146066788
Ichibei above Yama, Lille & Gerard on same same level as Yama. Bankai Kenpachi is probably around there as well but it's literally just "lol I'll be stronger than you eventually" so who even fucking cares.

The Schutzstaffel Sternritter (along with Gremmy) are so fucking dumb to properly put somewhere. They're powers are all broken as fuck and the only way to beat them involves dumb & very specific conditions.

>>146066992
Someone with Gremmy's power should be at Yhwach and Aizen's tier, or at least damn close. Too bad the kid was too stupid to apply his hax properly.

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>>146064351
Oh, you mean this?

>>146064351
>gets broken repeatedly, ends up just being a shell around his Shikai

Not a chance.

>>146067134
Bach could probably do the same thing to Dangai Ichigo.

>>146067468
Doesn't have a sword, though.

>>146067633
He has a head.

>>146067657
l-lewd

>>146063997
Bach without the Almighty (i.e. his automatic I win button) isn't even all that strong.
Hogyoku Aizen, Dangai Ichigo, Perfect Hybrid Ichigo, Yamamoto, and Ichibei would all definitely be able to win.
The only reason he was so successful in fights is because the Almighty is a retardedly strong ability. Hence why the only way they were able to beat him was by disabling Almighty.
That's the problem with all of the endgame fights; they all came down to "I am unkillable because X" so there was no way to resolve them other than with asspulls.

>>146068005
Pretty conveniet that he got the Allmighty during the Ichibei fight.

>>146068005
>X character without (Insert strongest power in arsenal here) isn't even all that strong
Retard.

>>146068227
In this case it's not simply the "strongest power in his arsenal" but literal fucking omnipotency.

>>146068227
My point is that Almighty isn't an interesting ability in that it can't be countered with sheer force
No form of Ichigo, Dangai, Mugetsu, or otherwise can beat Bach, because Bach can just decide that he wins. Even if he dies, he can just decide he didn't die.
Also Aizen's arsenal wasn't at any point in time bigger than when he fought Bach and he couldn't win even with Ichigo's help, since Kyouka Suigetsu can't fuck up Almighty enough to stop Bach from reviving.

So the discussion of "is x character strong enough to beat Bach" is completely pointless, since no matter what the answer is no. Bach can just break their shit.

>>146068170
It's really strange that the Ichibei fight was the first time he used it.
Later on use of the Almighty seemed tied to the huge creepy eyes he got from eating the Soul King, but he could use Almighty perfectly well before doing so.

What's especially weird is his line that "All Bankai are already broken in the future"
If he could do that, then why go through the trouble of making Bankai stealing medallions?
Why not just use Almighty to break all Bankai?
Why not just use Almighty to kill all Shinigami?
There's obviously some sort of limit on how much Bach can use the Almighty especially before absorbing the Soul King but there's absolutely no explanation as to what that limit might be or why it exists.

>>146068809
Kubo obviously didn't think it through. And that's why he never established limits because they're really aren't any. The Ichibei fight is a good example because he wins just because. Somehow having seen Ichibei's ability makes it completely vanish and the fight's over. Technically it makes him seem untouchable but that's clearly not the case because he actually gets hit later on, only changes it afterward. Plus the way his changing of the future had retroactive effects on the present has always been stupid as fuck.

>>146064750
Aizen reached the absolute peak a shinigami can reach. This implies he had his bankai.

>>146068005
>Bach without the Almighty (i.e. his automatic I win button) isn't even all that strong.
Except that he managed to beat Kenpachi.

>>146069548
what if he was some weird exception and was the only shinigami whos bankai made him weaker?

>>146069884
You mean like Soi Fons bankai fucked up her assassin style?
Well, that could be, but still, he would have unlocked it, but never use it then.

>>146069835
pre-shikai, pre-dying a thousand times before unlocking your real power Kenpachi

>>146069835
Shikai Ichigo managed to beat Kenpachi, what's your point?

>>146070496
this is a pretty good point here, kenpachi is kind of a bitch.

>>146070496
Shikai Ichigo also beat Yhwacha, your point?

>>146070589
Ichigo's new Bankai actually just being his old Shikai is the dumbest shit, I have no idea what Kubo was smoking when he decided to do that

>>146066106
Sicne when were you under the impression that Aizen actually cast that Hadou?

>"Just please, don't get hurt anymore, Kurosaki-kun. I can't bear it anymore."
>Sorry, Grimmjow. But I can't afford to get hurt anymore"

There are people right now who thought that ichiruki had a chance after this.

>>146063997
Yhwach is literally fucking invincible, Ichigo and co. needed canned manga shenanigans to stop him

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>>146064351
Ichigos new "bankai" is literally just his Shikai in a shell.

His real bankai =< Shikai <<<<< Old Bankai

Any of cheating images or fanfics of between Ichigo and Rukia?

>>146070684

How about the fact that the new bankai was a fake? That the quincy powers in him were aware of The Almighty, and as a result, formulated a plan to create a fake blade combo to protect itself from said power. As such, we got a "Dual blade" wielder Ichigo.

Also, we know that Zangetsu IS the hollow in Ichigo. The Quincy powers Ichigo considers as Zangetsu, but in reality said powers are not his shinigami powers. Therefore, Zangetsu's bankai is the daito with a manji that Ichigo first unveiled and then took it to it's absolute extreme when he fought against Aizen. Where, the manji expands to a much larger size, where the chain wraps around his arm and he gets a glove.

The glove itself is a representation of the Quincy powers. Ishida had the glove which allowed him overwhelming power for a brief moment in time; which allowed him to btfo Mayuri.

>Ichigo gets a gloved full bankai at the peak of his power
>for a brief moment in time attains god hood in terms of power
>btfos Aizen at his strongest

Ichigo when he kills Ywach with the REAL Zangetsu, doesn't have his fullbring elements. His form is basically same to when he first wielded the blade--and his shikai was enough to kill Ywach when you removed The Almighty and Soul King's reiatsu he had absorbed.

Also, don't forget, Ichigo stopped the Sokyoku with Zangetsu alone, when he rescued Rukia--and then proceeded to wreck the Arbor of Sokyoku with that same Zangetsu. It's already confirmed that Zangetsu is broken as fuck, if it can stop the RELEASED form of the Sokyoku passively.

We also know for a fact that Zangetsu, (hollow/Ichigo) comes out in full force whenever Ichigo's life in grave danger. His quincy powers confirm this when Ichigo enters his inner world to learn Mugetsu.

Finally, Ywach at the end takes away Ichigo's powers; but we also know that his own Quincy powers were suppressing the real Zangetsu. Ywach states that he's taking back the power Ywach gave him aka Quincy powers.

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>>146071194
I will never not be pissed about this shit.

It was so fucking stupid.
Hell, it would have been better if they made it the original sword as at least that would be nostalgia.

>>146072933

Thus, what's ultimately left is Ichigo's real shinigami powers aka Zangetsu aka White. When Tsukishima restores his blade, he says "your blade never broke" not "Zangetsu never broke." So all Tsukishima does is restore the form of the blade. As a result, later, when Ywach tries to break the blade, it only cracks instead of breaking in half. Ywach can ONLY change the future of something he is directly aware about, that's how the Almighty works. That's how Aizen was able to fuck with it using Kyouka Suigetsu when Ywach returned to Soul Society.

So at the very end, when Ywach tries to break his blade again, using the powers of The Almighty, all he manages to do is break away the shell revealing the real Zangetsu within. Ywach took away Ichigo's Quincy powers, thinking he had taken away all of it. But Zangetsu is literally Ichigo's soul: The Blade is Me.

In order for Ywach to take away all of Ichigo's powers, would mean that he'd have to kill Ichigo. But that doesn't happen, Ichigo lives. So, the only thing that he takes away is the Quincy powers.

Finally, when the shell shatters; we find out that the real blade all along was Zangetsu (shikai)--which leads us back to the dream that Ywach had, where Ichigo kills him using the real Zangetsu.

When Ichigo learned Mugetsu, Zangetsu told him that all along what he wanted to do was to protect Ichigo. Which was he throughout his journey, suppressed Zangetsu as best as he could--but there were times when he couldn't, and Zangetsu came out, took over, and protected Ichigo instead.

And on one final note, it's why Kazui's blade on his back is form similar to Zangetsu, the white sash around his chest coupled with the manji tsuba. Zangetsu didn't get passed on, because Zan-getsu is Ichigo; but -getsu did get passed on.

*One point of discrepancy is when Ichigo says his hollow powers are disappearing to pure white. Ichigo in confusion & fear, assumed wrong. Ywach skimmed the upper layer of his powers--like Ginjo did.

>>146071608
No, ichigo loves his big tittie waifu. He would never cheat, especially with someone who is inferior in all aspects.

>>146073343
Hot damn, quality post.
Capd.
Imagine how broken Ichigo would be had he retained his Quincy and fullbringer powers!

I don't know how ywhach beats monster aizen

He couldn't even kill off depowered chair aizen. Monster Aizen just constantly gets repowered up by the hogyoku after any damage. Hogyoku just seems to outstrip the almighty in every way.

It took the strongest being final power up + a deus ex machina seal just to get aizen in a state he could be placed in a chair

Meanwhile ywhach got cut in half by a shikai

>>146077533
True, the only thing dep Aizen had going for him was that he was slowly rebuilding his strength and had massive schlon....reiatsu.

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>>146063997
Give it up, it's over guys, let it die and bury it

>>146078159
No, NO!
What is dead may never die, nooo don't drag it away from me. Bleach is not dead, its not dead i tell you!!!
Sobs

>>146077027

His fullbring powers didn't really do much for him. When the shinigami infused all their power into Ichigo to jump start his, the overwhelming reiatsu from everyone effectively cloaked him. Thus, his shinigami garb and blade took on properties of his fullbring; the hollow-like power it was.

He loses the fullbring when Haschwalt cuts down the fullbring version of Tensa Zangetsu, and then in the Soul King's palace, gets the blade reforged based on an asauchi provided by Namiya.

Ichigo when he gained his peak in the Dangai, had a blade recreated from his own soul when his first Zangetsu, forged from the hilt of Rukia's blade in the basement of Urahara's shoten, broke under Zaraki's might. If you remember, after his Quincy powers reforge his blade when facing against Zaraki, that blade itself never breaks again. Ever. This is because, Ichigo is pulled into his inner world and he has to fight his opposite--who in reality IS the real Zangetsu. There he is handed an asauchi and told to use it to regain Zangetsu.

Then in that instant where Ichigo recognizes his instinct to fight, the hollow suddenly loses the Zangetsu he holds and receives the asauchi that Ichigo held. This too is reconfirmed in the Soul King palace that the asauchi are hollow; blank slates.

So, Kubo here basically tells his audience that the Quincy powers tug on his real shinigami powers; that of a hollow, to reforge Zangetsu as it actually is back in the real world. Now, he can cut Zaraki when previously he couldn't, because previously it was Rukia's hilt that acted as the medium. Rukia's strong, but Rukia isn't captain material yet. Ichigo on the other hand, in reality, probably on par with Old Man Genocide--but he doesn't know it yet. So when the real Zangetsu gets reforged, suddenly Ichigo can cut Zaraki--which he remarks as interesting.

That said, Ichigo without his Quincy powers is the Vasto Lorde form against Ulquiorra; that's his real strength.

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>>146073343
>When Ichigo learned Mugetsu, Zangetsu told him that all along what he wanted to do was to protect Ichigo. Which was he throughout his journey, suppressed Zangetsu as best as he could--but there were times when he couldn't, and Zangetsu came out, took over, and protected Ichigo instead.

You know Kubo fucked up on this, the whole "I want to protect you" speech from Zangetsu made no fucking sense, Juha was going to assrape soul society and the human world, ichigo or no ichigo.

Holding his powers in check is literally the worst thing Zangetsu could have done for Ichigo, allowing him to use his full power from the beginning would have given Ichigo a chance to strike Juha before he used god mode, instead Zangetsu fucked around and waited until Juha was in full godmode to reveal its true form.

Ichigo was not even able to win the final battle by himself like in deicide, he had help with Aizen, if Aizen had just said "fuck this" and walked away to rape momo Ichigo would be fucked beyond belief.

Without the asspull arrow and Aizen bride carrying him to victory Ichigo would lose this battle every single time, Ichigo will never defeat Juha on his own.

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>>146078467
Hey i felt the same way about samurai pizza cats, but nobody gives a shit anymore

>>146078535
Huh didn't remember all of that thanks!
Also old man genocide, please, he is a kind, gentle and sensitive soul with only a mild affinity for fire.
In truth that name always makes me laugh.

>>146078535

Kubo, through the thousand year blood war, likely never intended for Ichigo to regain his Dangai-levels of powers. That he intended for Ichigo to lose his hybrid nature by having Ywach take away his Quincy powers, leaving Ichigo to become a real shinigami finally.

As such, in the end, Ichigo is still one of the most powerful shinigami to ever live. Easily eclipsing everyone except for Old Man Genocide, where he would likely be only an equal. Just, he won't ever be a physical god again; because that's really not what Bleach is about, and that's really not what Ichigo wanted from the beginning. He wanted the power to protect everyone he cherished, without losing sight of himself.

Dangai Ichigo is unquestionably the most broken thing in ALL of Bleach, and frankly, Ichigo could have wrecked Aizen without using Mugetsu; because he was able to blow away Aizen's strongest ceros when cornered and took one to the face without a shred of concern. Which Aizen remarks as "I see, that's all that does to you." Before attacking personally, realizing that his strongest attack barely hurt the man, thus needing to up the ante--only to get his shit kicked in yet still without Mugetsu.

However, Dangai Ichigo is a level where Ichigo loses sight of himself. He has become so strong that no one else is an equal, he can no longer occupy the same state as his peers; because his friends state that though they can see him, they can't feel a thing from him. From Aizen, they feel this monstrous and oppressive aura, but from Ichigo, there's nothing.

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>>146078535
Just let it go anon

>>146078705

>Which Aizen remarks as "I see, that's all that does to you." Before attacking personally, realizing that his strongest attack barely hurt the man

I think this is what forced Ichigo to use mugetsu, before Aizen was not even able to make Ichigo drop a single drop of blood even after using a hado 90 with full incantation.

But when he became monster Aizen he managed to actually hurt Ichigo, his arm was pretty fucked up, had Ichigo waited too much Aizen might have surpassed him.

Urahara said that Aizen had become stronger despite being trapped in the chair, Ichigo used mugetsu just at the right time.

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>>146078548
It's over anon, just walk away

>>146063997
Aizen isn't strong enough to do jack. So he acts as bait for Ichigo.

He teamed up just like the weaklings he despised so much always did. Couldn't even see that Yhwach can undo death in the future.

I will forever laugh at people who think Aizen ever stood a chance in any form.

>>146078914
Too many people didnt seem to get the reason ichigo used mugetsu. He was on a time limit regardless if he used it or not. Aizen's hougyoku just kept powering him up. While Dangai ichigo was the strongest being we have seen; Monster aizen had the most potential. Even more so than ywhach or ichibei or gerard

>>146064665
Yhwach never used Yamamoto's bankai that can massacre Aizen

>Implying Aizens did just use Kyoka Suigetsu to trick people into thinking he had a bankai.

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>>146078914
Just let Bleach Go anon

>>146078535
Ichigo's constant power revisions were part of the more tedious aspects of the last arc. Bleach really was a fucking mess by the end of it.

>>146079047
>being under the impression Yhwach remembers that
Aizen

>>146078862

I'm satisfied with Bleach, it got it's Gainax conclusion with implied Gainax bounce courtesy of Orihime and Karin.

And fanfiction will keep me satisfied for the foreseeable future; along with my own Ichigo/Yoruichi idea I may one day write.

>>146078914

No, Ichigo used Mugetsu, because he was sick of the battle. Aizen underwent two evolutionary states along with his best magical powers, but couldn't win. Aizen also lost his way when he went from a man of great intellect and cunning to a raving madman who simply had power at his disposal. In other words, Ichigo lost not only interest in Aizen, but he also lost respect of his own enemy. Finally, we know that Ichigo is able to feel his enemy's emotional state and motivation through crossing blades.

Ichigo later remarks to Urahara that when he was crossing blades with Aizen, all he felt from his blade was immense loneliness. So the reason why Ichigo used Mugetsu on Aizen was that he witnessed a man at the height of his power, descend into lunacy when his crushing loneliness overwhelms him. He spent all this time and effort in becoming such a great thing, and he wanted an equal all along. But when Ichigo came, he didn't get an equal; he got something that eclipsed him in ways he could not fathom. So he started screaming, raving, etc.

This is the point in time where Ichigo, for the first time EVER, in all of Bleach, experiences pity. Not upon him, but for someone else. Ichigo uses Mugetsu against Aizen out of pity. "I'm sick of your philosophy Aizen, it's time to put an end to this. I'll show you the Final Getsuga Tenshou."

This translates as: "enough, you've lost your way, and you need to be brought back to reality in the only way you understand. I'll fight you using the very thing that you've been fighting against this entire time: power. You were lonely, I'll eclipse you, so that you can become normal and have something to strive for, to have something to chase after."

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>>146066992
>Ichibei above Yama
I'm not sure we really know that. Yamamoto was kind of curtailed before he really went all out.

>got stronger while imprisoned
>got manhandled by Yhwach and had to rely on Ichigo to do the job

>>146069835
>Except that he managed to beat Kenpachi

>beating Captain Jobber is an achievement now

kenpashifags pls

>>146077533
He wasn't trying to destroy chair Aizen just release him as the only other person deserving his respect. He wanted Aizen to join him instead of shoving his shadow moustache in every orifice on Aizens body.

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>>146078940
>>146079025
>>146079047
Let it go anons it's finished and dead

>>146079200
Oh no, don't let the yaoi tumblr squad see this.
The horrible fanfiction + shitty art would be disgusting.

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>>146079139
>>>146078862 (You)
>I'm satisfied with Bleach, it got it's Gainax conclusion with implied Gainax bounce courtesy of Orihime and Karin.
>And fanfiction will keep me satisfied for the foreseeable future; along with my own Ichigo/Yoruichi idea I may one day write.

okay ya got me there

>>146079139

It's why, when Aizen is bought out of Muken, he makes the statement "You're such an infuriating man, Kurosaki Ichigo." When he's told that Ichigo has already stormed the Soul King's palace and is engaging with Ywach.

It goes back to the day Aizen was offered humility by Ichigo, through getting his ass kicked. Aizen now has something to strive for, to chase after.

It's why, at the end when they pair up and take on Ywach, Aizen smiles and is arguably HAPPY for the first time in all of Bleach, that it was good that he didn't use Kyouka Suigetsu on Ichigo back then. At the end game, they finally met, and Aizen FINALLY got the thing he wished for all along, an equal.

I think that's the beauty of Bleach. Despite all the bs that went down, and the poor pacing issues and the Asspull, etc. The interpersonal relationship between Ichigo & Aizen is pretty damn good. The enemy of my enemy is my friend moment they shared at the very end, and the brief instant of happiness of two people achieving victory against insurmountable odds, is touching.

And I think that's really why Aizen went back to Muken, and why when defining the word "courage" as an epilogue exposition bit, majority of the pictures involved Ichigo rather than his own experiences through life.

Aizen had been strong from the start, courage was something he never needed. However, when faced against Ywach and when coupled with Ichigo, he was able to muster that courage, despite his immortality, to succeed. His yearn for equality was the lesson in courage he himself gained at that point in time. After Ywach died, he was content with going back to being sealed away for a few thousand years. Because he knows, deep down, when he gets out, Ichigo will be there as a shinigami; is rival, his peer, his equal.

no homo.

>>146063997
Did everyone in this thread forget that Yhwach said Ichigo was stronger than he was when he fought Aizen?

Ichigo took out Yhwach in one hit meaning hes really fucking powerful but Yhwach kept using his Almighty hax to prevent Ichigo from hitting him.

>>146079311
Aizen: "All of the homo!"

>>146079306

The idea needs fleshing out, because it's close to three years old and I managed to save the notes for it back when I storyboarded it.

But basically: Yoruichi that we know isn't the real Yoruichi, she's a mod soul forged from her own blade--which is the reason why we never see her real shinigami release

When Urahara first created the Hogyouku, he briefly glimpsed limbo. Urahara being a scientist wants to see more of it, so he brings in Yoruichi and with their combined spiritual might, he's hoping to open a slightly longer portal into limbo to study it. She agrees, cautiously; but it backfires and the portal swallows her, leaving her blade behind. He goes insane realizing what he's done, and as such is now the Urahara we know. Crazy smart, possibly insane, with highly questionable motives.

Flashforward to Ichigo/Aizen fight. Ichigo uses Mugetsu, devolves Aizen and shatters the shell of the Hogyouku. Aizen in his moment of fear wishes Ichigo away to a location where he cannot harm him; limbo. So Ichigo is spirited away by the will of the Hogyouku.

In terms of power base, when Ichigo arrives in limbo, he retains Zangetsu (shikai)--but his power is pretty much gone. He is nonetheless a very strong fighter and can kick a lot of ass.

Since this fight, it's been several hundred years since the past event where Yoruichi disappeared into limbo. There are many factions present in this world where magic is more prevalent than kido/hado/bakudo.

Hollows, lost souls, souls to be rejudged are all present. Ichigo is the anomaly--and so, with his arrival, begins the great war for him. Because now the denizens of limbo are able to feel, when Ichigo first entered, that he has the power in him to exit himself. They don't know that he's without power now, but they also don't know that in time he can regain it all.

Take Shadow Skill & Slayers, mix in Bleach, set into a new world and you've go the basis of my fanfic idea. Will write someday.

>>146079372
I somehow doubt Ywach could really know that. As others have said Dangai Ichigo was so far and away more powerful than anyone in the manga that I doubt Ywach would even be able to touch him with The Almighty. Let's not forget that while having hax ablilites is great and all at the end of the day whoever has a reiatsu that is far above their opponent can negate said abilities. Just look at Soi Fon's instant two hit kill that had no effect on Aizen.

Another thing, couldn't Ichigo use the Final Getsuga Tenshou again? As far as we know there never was said anything about there being a limit to the number of times one can use it?

>>146078705
Ichigo is still by definition a hybrid though because he is still Hollow/Shinigami/Human

>>146079604

Ichigo knows Yoruichi but Yoruichi has no idea who Ichigo is. This is a major point of contention between the two.

Also, they don't meet for quite a while in the story. As such, Ichigo develops his own relationships with some new characters, before he faces his conflicts, ultimately leading to meeting Yoruichi.

Then, in time, stuff develops between them. And I get to live out my dark horse shipping.

>>146079372
Except he can't know that. He was asleep during that time period.

Bach was talking out of his ass.

>Kenpachi asspulled a Bankai out of nowhere
>it didn't even do anything, wasn't impressive, didn't win him the fight

What the fuck kubo

>>146079741
Yhwach has been awake since Ichigo was a child.
>>146079638
>Dangai Ichigo was so far and away more powerful than anyone in the manga that I doubt Ywach would even be able to touch him with The Almight
This is the purest fanboyism with absolutely no source. Further, the abilities Aizen spoke of negating were purely physical. Yhwach's Almighty is reality warping, with no physical means applying. It simply changes the truth of the world. There is no defense against that.

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>>146079604
Sounds kinda groovy Dude

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>>146079710

>>146079990
>>146080056

I'd keep an eye out around christmas time.

>>146079884
I'm not trying to argue with you but wouldn't The Almighty be rendered useless if Ywach can't hurt let alone touch his opponent. If his opponent just absolutely outclasses him in every stat then what does it matter if he can see the future. Ywach himself was scared of Ichigo's Bankai and its potential which is why he broke it before Ichigo had a chance to actually use it. All I'm saying is if Ichigo was already in Dangai form and were then to come across Ywach what can he do if his ability only allows him to change/transform the future not the past

>>146079884
>Yhwach has been awake since Ichigo was a child.
He did that in his sleep.

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>>146080197
Looking foward to it

Bach is the strongest villain in the series. How is this hard for people to accept? He was going to collapse soul society and the real world together with raw power.

What was the best thing Aizen did? Get hit by a not-even country level attack and lose control of the HK.

>>146081940
>no durability feats
>not strength feats
>no monster level rei feats
>only has one haxx ability to rely on

Not even in the top 3 enemies

>Ywhack have the ability to alter future
>gets hit by ass pull arrow

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>>146064745

>Ulquiorra will be his zanpakuto spirit because of his attachment to Orihime, similar to old man Zangetsu for Ichigo
>Kazui will have a Fullbring because his Human parent (Orihime) has survived being attacked by a Hollow (multiple times in fact), so that residual energy from all of those Hollows who have attacked her will imbue Kazui's Fullbring when he achieves it
>strong Quincy bloodline and Yhwach's essence are part of him now
>has parents and a family who love him (including an aunt who loves him too much)

Somehow, someway, I know Kubo will pull through and make Kazui's zanpakuto's name will be Bleach.

>>146083060
He was planet level by DC, and at least city level+ via hax.

>>146083351
He also got hit by a Gran Rey Cero

>>146073038
It's nostalgia. When did you last see his Shikai? Before Mexico?

I'm still confused about ichigo's powers.

If White ichigo really is zangetsu (his shinigami powers), and the old man is his quincy powers trying to hold his soul reaper powers, why aren't they fighting?

What represents the hollow power inside of ichigo, because its seemed like white ichigo at first, (when he takes control, ichigo always takes a hollow like appearance) but since its not him, who is it? Or did it just not exist?

If the old man really isn't his powers, why was it the one that appeared in the albeit, non-canon zanpakutou arc?

Why did kubo decide to throw so much shit inside ichigo? Why didn't he make him a bound at well? Fuck this shit.

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>This NarutoForums-tier thread

>>146088125
The true shinigami powers IS the hollow powers.
They are fused to each other.

>Urahara's bankai was a letdown
>one of the most senior and reliable captains (unohana) had to die just for kenpachi to shape up
>Hisagi's bankai teased so much yet was a no show
>Chad never really amounted to anything and was basically useless by the end
>Yoruichi's release never shown
>Halibel still chained and never found
>Ichigo having every race/type/power running in him
>The whole thing about the soul king

WHAT IN THE FUCK HAPPENED?

>>146088454
>>Urahara's bankai was a letdown


This is a lie. it was a completely fitting bankai that lets him dictate battle on the fly. It was one of the few things that actually lived up to the hype.

>>146063997
Hard to tell. Bach was rushed and trolled so no way to know.

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>>146063997
>Dangai Ichigo is stronger than Bach
Shikai Ichigo is stronger than Bach

>>146063997
>Aizenfags are the new ichirukists

>>146090641
>bleachfags are the new narutofags
fixed

>>146063997
>Aizen stronger than Juha bach
>this delusion
If Aizen was so strong why did he got rekt by Juha quickly and is still in prison?

>>146063997
Yhwach was the most broken character, not because of his power level but mostly because of his bullshit Almighty and because of absorbing the Soul King. Once Uryuu nullified those two with the asspull arrow, one single swing from Ichigo's old Shikai was all it took to kill him.
Aizen had actually grown stronger after his time in Muken, so much that he made a complete Hado 90 without incantation while still being bound in the chair and with several seals still on him. In fact, when he fought against Juha, he still had some of those seals on him, but at that point Wach was too much of a piece of asspulled bullshit to defeat in single combat without recurring to some asspull. Still, Aizen's hypnosis was strong enough to affect him.
We never found out about Ichigo's new full strength because he never got to properly use his Bankai besides the GT-Gran Rey Cero combination. And then his Bankai turned to be his old Shikai. And even more, we don't know if his powers returned to him after being stolen by Yhwach, or if he ended up only being a Shinigami without of all that hybrid bullcrap.

Still, Aizen ended up as the most powerful character alive in the finale. Kazui is a meme.

>>146063997
So, who became... the BLEACH?

Can someone tell me why Kubo intorduced Ichigo's Hollow came from attack on Masaki despite getting one during Urahara's training?