Shaft

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>Shaft
>high quality

>>145975613
Somehow I totally missed this news. I'm pretty hyped. Too bad the first book isn't that good, but hopefully they'll get to the others.

>>145975613
I can hear Tamura doing Kunagisa quite easily, and they hopefully won't get Kamiya in to voice I.

>>145976538
then you are in luck

>yuki kaiji
>aoi yuuki

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The music is also pretty neat.

http://zaregoto-series.com/

>>145975613
>Shaft
>quality

>>145976691
Where did you get that information?

>>145976782
That's quite nice. I can't imagine them using that track before the 3rd book, though. Unless it's the OP/ED.

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Them bug eyes are delicious.

>>145976782
That's Tomo's bed, but what was >>145976807?

>>145976887
It looks like a table, maybe the one they all sit around?

>>145976887
>>145976950
>Shaft
>everything is now 200% fancier

I'm not too sure about it being 8 episodes long.

>>145976950
It must be that, I was confused because I don't remember a description of such a peculiar table in the novel.

>>145976979
Well, at least Tomo's bed should really be that fancy, IIRC.

>Kizu III in January
>3lion is 22 episodes
>monthly Zaregoto

>Fate is announced for 2017

Shaft nails it.

So /a/, which is the first of the 8 OVAs to get delayed?

>>145976873
Nah. Even early Take's designs fit better than that with that sort of dead pan face.

>>145977086
The first one, obviously.

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She gives me some Erio vibes now.

>>145977067
The first one. I think we can all agree about that.

>>145977149
Different kind of autism.

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>>145975613
Please don't tell me this is the actual art style they're using. It just looks like generic copy-paste Shaft.

Why couldn't they have done what the guys who did the Katanagatari adaptation did and go super abstract. The art on that looked excellent.

>>145978590
Aniplex thought that it was the safest choice, while it really isn't. They are removing part of the identity of the series for no real reason.

>It just looks like generic copy-paste Shaft.

No, it looks like generic copy-paste Watanabe, shaft had tons of different designs during those years.

>>145978590
Ii-kun looks cute. I don't like it.

I'll wait and see what it looks like in the show I guess.

>>145978590
Don't you know? Anime series can't have distinguishable art styles anymore.
Everything by Shaft has to be a clone of Monogatari now.
Can't have White Fox do every adaptation, I'm afraid.

>>145978590
Katanagatari's art style almost became generic through the episodes, though. Just look at the difference between the first and last episode.

>>145978590
> and go super abstract.

I would have prefered later Take, he learned how to nail the character's personalities perfectly.

>>145978854
To be fair, early Ii-chan from Take looked cute, but that sort of dead pan face drawn with few lines fit him much more than Watanabe's shonen hero design.

>>145978886
>Everything by Shaft has to be a clone of Monogatari now.

kek.

>>145978937
Still much less generic than Watanabe's stuff.

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>>145979061
Forgot the pic.

>>145979114
Does someone have that full pic of Jun?
Can a Takefag dump some of his later Zaregoto works? The pics I saved during the years died with my HD.

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>>145979341
If someone wanted that full image of Ii-chan, here you go.

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>>145979341

>>145979718
Beautiful. I love later Take and you

>>145979689
He's basically the prototype for Medak's Box's minuses.

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>>145979755
You are welcome.

I think this image was on the web too, but I may be missremembering.

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>>145979814
Take sure loves drawing Jun.

>>145977056
>>145976979
They are in an expensive mansion on a private island, of course it looks fancy.

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>>145979857
And here's the last one.

I think all of these are Take's I saved most of them from the few threads in /a/ so some fanart may have sneaked in.

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>>145979862
>we are going to get a whole Shaft mansion.

>>145979913
Thanks, man!

>>145977067
Can't wait for the incoming production disaster.

>Shaft
>High quality

>>145979973
Can only hope 3gatsu ends up being the production cause unlike Kizu 3 and Zaregoto I don't give a shit about it.

The fact that it's an NHK show makes it all the more like cause NHK shows are rarely high budget.

>>145980414
*disaster

Holy shit when the anime project was announced not long ago in the site with katanagatari like designs, shaftfags were praising the studio for not going for a generic sameface look, now they're literally damage controlling and even trashing on katanagatari. Watanabe designs are as generic as they come.

Fucking hyped!

>>145980444
Anon... what the hell are you talking about? I have been in the last Zaregoto threads, there was a single crazy Watanabe fanboy who tried to defend those designs, and a couple of obnoxious anons who defended aniplex's choice as it were the most effecent choice (it isn't) . That's all. Did you have a bad dream or something?

>>145980444
/a/ is not only one person.

I loved the first designs we got, and I'm dissappointed in the new ones.

They are not bad, but it's sad they ditched Take's awesome style.
Tomo's face is too much gatari for me.
About li-kun I don't find the design is bad, but the pose certainly doesn't fit him, I hope they get it right for the anime.

>>145980701
To be clear, when I said
>there was a single crazy Watanabe fanboy who tried to defend those designs

I meant "only one person said that there is nothing wrong with them 10/10 designs they are very similar to Take's newer style"
Other anons simply said that they aren't good but neither disastrous, like >>145980706

>>145979689
Is "Aniki" scissor Zerozaki?

>>145976782
>The music is also pretty neat.
It's just generic Kajiura. It really doesn't fit Zaregoto.

>>145981314
You are trying a little too hard here, troll.

>>145981314
You are tasteless and wrong.

>Those trashy low budget Mekaku Shitty Actors designs

Flop incoming.

>>145981360
>pefect format
>monogatar-ish designs
>Flop incoming.

Kek.

>>145981326
Oh please, Kajiura has been rehashing the same shit for many years now. While this track is closer to Rebellion (her by far best recent work), it's still very much the same thing as always and there isn't a single scene in Zaregoto where it would be fitting.

>>145981360
Nah, those are Monogatari designs. Mekaku designs would actually fit Zaregoto better than what we got.

>>145981449
delicous feet

>>145981409
Monogatari designs were more original. These look like your average Watanabe quick 'let's get this over with' sameface designs like in the world God only knows, Mekaku, or the hundreds of cheap commissions he's done.

>>145981491
>>145981314
>generic
>not fitting

We need more buzzwords!

>>145981449
I should be fucking happy, but seeing watanabe's designs on the cover gave an very unpleasant cognitive dissonance. And I even like Watanabe.

>>145981491
>While this track is closer to Rebellion (her by far best recent work),

So it's not " just generic Kajiura" but high tier Kajiura. Gad that we agree.

>>145981571
Um, you are actually right.

>>145981599
"Not fitting" isn't a buzzword though, just tell him in which scenes/contexts it would fit. I like that track, but I'm not sure if that kind of ost will fit very well.

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So why do Watanabe's design adaptations don't fit Zaregoto?

>>145981676
gave me* a* very

>>145981702
Because zaregoto had anime friendly designs already. Proven that it can be done by katanagatari

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>>145981599
>>145981702

It's pretty funny how insubstantial that bullshit is.

Oh boy, I forgot how pretentious Zaregoto fanboys were.

>>145981755
>Zaregoto fanboys

You mean the dedicated trolls for anything Shaft related.

>>145981702
Because autism.

>>145981676
>So it's not " just generic Kajiura" but high tier Kajiura
By "closer to Rebellion" I meant "it sounds like a track ripped straight out of Rebellion" rather than "it has the same experimental edge as Rebellion tracks". It's not bad, but it doesn't feel unique and is honestly too, dare I say, "epic" for a convoluted and verbose murder mystery story like Zaregoto. Satoru's music is a lot more tonally in line.

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What's the point of arguing about character designs if SHAFT goes off model pretty often anyway?

>>145981870
What is that picture even supposed to prove?

>>145981849
>I post bullshit

>>145981870
This. In every other scene the characters in Zaregoto won't look like the designs anyway.

>>145981905
That you're either deluded or blind for not seeing how different he looks in the screenshots compared to his character sheet.

I can't even remember the twist of the first novel after all these years so I'm looking forward to watching this with fresh eyes.

>>145981905
No idea.

But looking at the fact that the left picture is from Bakemonogatari. It's just low tier trolling.

>>145975613
Are the novels fully translated?

>>145981980
He's still the same character.

>>145981755
>>145981773
>>145981779
I like how you idiot dismissed any kind of discussion only to shitpost some buzzwords. You couldn't be more unresonably defensive than that.

>>145981849
>It's not bad, but it doesn't feel unique and is honestly too, dare I say, "epic" for a convoluted and verbose murder mystery story like Zaregoto. Satoru's music is a lot more tonally in line.

I must agree.

>>145981905
That fucking idiot seriously believes that Kizu new designs were just off model version of the old Watanabe's designs.

>>145982014
The first 5 are.

>>145982015
You can't be so stupid. I mean, no human being can be so stupid.

>That fucking idiot seriously believes that Kizu new designs were just off model version of the old Watanabe's designs.

To be fair all of those shots in that image look like they were designed by a diferent person, the point of SHAFT never staying on-model even within the same season/movie still stands

>>145982018
>called out for just using a bunch of buzzwords
>start using the term buzzword

>>145982050
I know you are but what am I?

>>145982014

First two have official translations (good luck finding a copy) and there's fan translation for some of the following novels.

http://www.suiminchuudoku.net/tl/index.php?title=Zaregoto

If this is how bad Zaregoto threads are currently, I'm afraid of what they will be like when the OVAs come out.

>All these SHAFTshitters damage controlling

Very fun seeing you like this.

>>145981702
I hope you didn't expect to get a real answer.

>>145982105
Thanks

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>people claiming to want this ugly mess

>>145982324
What ugly mess?

>>145981702
Disapointment I guess. It happens with every single LN adaptation, people complain that the designs don't match the illustrations because they liked them. However, if we consider that Katanagatari had the designs directly inspired by the original illustrations I can understand them, Shaft should have done the same rather than doing Watanabe's design once again. We've been seeing his designs on monogatari for years now, having something a little out of the ordinary would have been nice.

>>145982324
see >>145980266
>>145979913
>>145979857
>>145979814

>>145982413
>We've been seeing his designs on monogatari for years now, having something a little out of the ordinary would have been nice.

Then watch one anime that isn't Monogatari.

>>145980706
This is how I feel. Watanabe is too associated with Monogatari for me.

>that one shitposter in this thread trying to drum up a fanbase war with revisionism

>>145982476
But but... not fitting!

>>145982476
You mean like Mekaku Shitty Actors and Shittykoi ? The best non monogatari anime they did recently are Koufuku Graffiti and the Madoka movies.

A little change would have been nice for once, it's a lost opportunity in my book. The design doesn't make it unwatchable, but I can understand why it pisses some people off.

Take isn't the original outhor of Zaregoto but just the guy who got hired to draw some pictures.

Who cares?

>>145982614
>shitty

cringeworthy

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>SHAFTshitters shit on KyoAni for having similar character designs in their shows.
>SHAFT anime in the past 5 years has been boring Watanabe garbage designs

Why are SHAFTshitters so hypocrite?

>>145982624
People who liked the original designs and don't like Watanabe's designs.
Most people who are the audience for this probably don't care enough since the main audience are probably all the LNfags and the LNs aren't that illustration heavy.

>>145982692
>trying to start a fanbase war with misinformation
Go away.
Anyone who can look at a wikipedia page knows you're talking out of your ass.

>>145982698
Which original designs?

The artworks in the LNs were ugly and barely story related anyway.

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>>145982738

>Hidamari(2011) - Ume sameface designs
>Hidamari(2012) - Ume sameface designs
>Hidamari(2013) - Ume sameface designs
>Madoka - Ume sameface designs
>Madoka movie P1 - Ume sameface designs
>Madoka movie P2 - Ume sameface designs
>Madoka movie P3 - Ume sameface designs
>Nisemonogatari - Watanabe sameface designs
>Nekomonogatari - Watanabe sameface designs
>Monogatari S2 - Watanabe sameface designs
>Hanamonogatari - Watanabe sameface designs
>Tsukimonogatari - Watanabe sameface designs
>Owarimonogatari - Watanabe sameface designs
>Kizumonogatari P1 - Watanabe sameface designs
>Kizumonogatari P2 - Watanabe sameface designs
>Kizumonogatari P2 - Watanabe sameface designs
>Koyomimonogatari - Watanabe sameface designs
>Mekaku City Actors - Watanabe sameface designs

You're right, sorry, they also use Ume Aoki.

>>145982916
Stop false flagging.

They were already back we have Gundam Unicorn OVA's.

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Mekaku 2.0

>>145983246
Takane a best.

>>145982476
>Then watch one anime that isn't Monogatari.

That's why I wanted to watch Zaregoto. Oh, wait.

>>145983604
That post worked better in your head than on 4chan.

>>145981963
The MC is full of shit and trusting anything he says is dumb.

>>145983742
>than on 4chan.

Yeah, because on 4chan there are people like you who are too stupid to admit they are posting nonsensical trash.
But, seriously, why are you idiots defending it in such an embarassing way? There was some disscussion before you retards started shitposting for the sake of acting like a butthurt angry Defence Forces. No matter if you like those designs that much, a lot of the reasons why many people strongly dislike them are at the very last understandable.

>>145983742
The joke is that there over 100 different series every series.

So he should survive when two different series several years apart have the same anime character designer.

>>145978590
>It just looks like generic copy-paste Akio Watanabe.
ftfy

>>145984348
True, SHAFT doesn't really have a style of their own. They use whoever designer is hot at the moment.

>>145984258
You would survice without anime at all. We aren't talking about how to survive and about what makes us survive. We are talking about an anime adaptation as fans of the series that it's getting adapted, and about why they are doing a good job or why they aren't doing a good job. Which is one of the point of this site.
Replacing part of the identity of the series with something as lazy as that isn't a good thing for the series itself and isn't a pleasant thing
for a fans. And we were discussing that, before you idiots went full butthurt and started spamming buzzwords and out of place idiocy about survival.
Now simply accept that some fans didn't like Aniplex's choice for evident reasons, it's not that hard. If you are that annoyed about some disappointed fans, there over 100 threads on 4chan, you should survive there is one thread with some disappointed zaregoto fans.

>>145981702
As expected. I didn't get an answer.

>>145984767
>some fans

>>145981702
Because they look like Monogatari anime designs and not Zaregoto. Judging by your post you're probably an ESL with comprehension issues though.

>>145985128
>ESL

>>145985002
Because your question is too vague. What do you want, a long analysis on Watanabe artstyle compared to Take's style compared to Nisio's writing style?
At best you are going to get simple answers that you are going to trash as "not convincing" because they aren't complex enough to answer such indefinite question.
If you are honestly interested in reading a point of view, I could try to sum up what I think (mostly is already scattered in this thread and in a previous thread), but you really seem much more interested in trying to corner your interlocutor, which is nothing more than a butthurt shitposter tactics.

>>145985383
It's pretty simple. People claimed the character designs don't fit. I want an explenation for it.

I don't care about anyone's preference.

>>145981140
Yeah

>>145982105
It's fairly easy to get a copy of the second volume (I have one), but the first one costs about 100 bucks on Amazon.

>>145985454
I'll try to answer, but this is my opinion on why the image we have doesn't fit Zaregoto.

I think li-kun pose doesn't fit his character, the pose shows a lot of symbols of confidence like:
-Pushing his chest forward and putting his arms backwards.
-Standing perfectly straight and even leaning a little bit back.
-The camera is below the waist of li-kun making it like he is looking down on us.
- Eyes looking straight at the viewer (showing both honesty and confidence).
While the last one may be intentional, the pose ends up shouting confidence and superiority.
Let's compare it with >>145979398
- Arms in front, protecting the chest.
- Hunched position.
- Eyes looking down and avoiding the viewer.

From my point of view one fits li-kun's character a lot more than the other.

I'll stop here because talking more about li-kun may be nitpicking, and I still don't think the design is horrible.

About Tomo I see too much honesty and not enough mystery or lack of empathy, but this may just be because it reminds me of Tsukihi and the characters are overlapping in my head.

I think we won't really know if they work until the PV, but I think this at least tells why I think that image doesn't "fit" with Zaregoto.

>>145985454
>It's pretty simple.

Good, if it's a simple question then you will be satisfied by simple answers (and actually you had already got at least 2 answers, "I didn't get an answer" isn't true).

First, that's the perfect portrait of Ii-chan >>145979398, a pathologically apathetic young man with tons of things wrong with him. This >>145975613 could have been the design of an average shonen hero, from the eyes, to the build, to the posture.
I know, I know, early Take's designs were different. Putting aside that nobody should give a shit about obsolete designs, I have already answered about that here
>>145979061
>To be fair, early Ii-chan from Take looked cute, but that sort of dead pan face drawn with few lines fit him much more than Watanabe's shonen hero design.

Second, this smart anon is absolutely right
>Monogatari designs were more original. These look like your average Watanabe quick 'let's get this over with' sameface designs like in the world God only knows, Mekaku, or the hundreds of cheap commissions he's done.

It's clearly a freaking lazy work and I'm saying as someone who loved Watanabe's monogatari designs (I hate his Sodachi's re-design, though).

Third, the main problem is obviously the style. I already said it, but since you ignored it, I will write it again: Take's style is part of the identity of the series. Replacing part of the identity of the series with something as lazy as that isn't a good thing for the series itself. When the ONLY reason for doing that is some totally useless attempt at pandering, shit becomes seriously annoying.

>>145986474
>About Tomo I see too much honesty and not enough mystery or lack of empathy

Um, you are right (I'm not the guy you are replying to, though).

Also, is it just me or does Kunagisa look way too old/tall? She's supposed to be the same age as Ii but a loli who didn't hasn't grown up since 15.

>>145986474
Are you kidding me?

That is the same pose he has in one of the LN artworks.

>>145987104
Maybe Ii-chan is officially a manlet.

>>145987650
Not that guy, but source?

I like Watanabe's designs for Monogatari and actually thinks that Take's style fits Zaregoto more than Watanabe's.
Fuck.

>>145987650
Not him, but post it.
Even if it's true, so they used an official artworks that doesn't fit him when they could choose one of the many others that suits his personality and behaviour. Nice, that changes everything.

>>145984662
You have to give them credit for having the unique idea of using more than one character designer since no other animation studio does that.

I think Take's designs would've been better but I don't really think changing them is such a big deal and its not like it doesn't happen all of the time, I mean, the Monogatari anime doesn't look like the art by VOFAN at all but no one gives a shit

Oh and btw, judging if the design portraits Ii-kun character or not from a single picture of promotional art is just stupid

>>145987650
The joke is that goalpost moving.

Instead of talking about the designs, he tried to talk about characterization which isn't also correct.

>>145988765
>I think Take's designs would've been better

And we were talking about why it would have been better.

> I mean, the Monogatari anime doesn't look like the art by VOFAN at all but no one gives a shit

Uh, no.
First, Monogatari designs were better than those, and it's actually debatable if the original monogatari designs were better for a series that has a lot of faservice and tons of comedy scenes. Putting Watanabe on Monogatari has some valid and understandable reasons, here the only reason it's pandering.


> its not like it doesn't happen all of the time

Usually the style gets simplified, not totally changed. In this case there wasn't even the need to simply anything.

>Oh and btw, judging if the design portraits Ii-kun character or not from a single picture of promotional art is just stupid.

It's the image they themself choose to present the charadesign.. What they chose wasn't good for the reasons we have already posted. If it will look better, it will be a good thing. Very simple, isn't it?

>I don't really think changing them is such a big deal

I don't really think that simply talking about why we don't like something is such a big deal in a board meant for discussion.
Especially in a thread that has a lot of reasonable point of views.
Man, if you are so intolerant of negative opinions yesterday's thread would have made your head exploded.

>>145989305
He was talking about how the design didn't fit the character. How is that goalpost moving?
But the real question is why the hell are you so fucking desperate.

>>145989305
Can't be helped I guess.

>>145988078
What? Literally every animation studio does that

>>145990109
>Monogatari designs were better than those
That's just as debatable, VOFAN is a great artist as well and the original designs have nothing in them that would make them incompatible with the tone of the series, specially because the main difference is just the aesthetics in the characters faces

>What they chose wasn't good for the reasons we have already posted.
That means the image is wrong, not the charadesign

>if you are so intolerant of negative opinions yesterday's thread would have made your head exploded.
I was here, and I thought the same thing I do today "Man, these guys sure are some whiny faggots, It's not like they fucked, it's just different"

>>145990945
>Man, these guys sure are some whiny faggots
Welcome to /a/

>>145990945
>That's just as debatable

I meant that Monogatari's designs are much better than what we saw in the Zaregotio image.


>VOFAN is a great artist as well and the original designs have nothing in them that would make them incompatible with the tone of the series,

He's a great artist, but Watanabe's designs are clearly more fitting than the fanservice and comedy scenes, while still being absolutely serviceable for the other kind of scenes (and I even think that Kizu designs fit more than both).
Anyway, my point was that there was a logic concerning the series itself in choosing watanabe, even if you think that vofan's designs would have worked as better, that logic is evident.

>What they chose wasn't good for the reasons we have already posted.
>That means the image is wrong, not the charadesign

An image that they chose to present the charadesign, it isn't a random image.
Once again, that's how they chose to present the designs.

>>145990945
>I thought the same thing I do today

Quote those whiny posts of this thread. I only see some legit negative opinions and discussions, and tons of unresonable butthurted idiots who were bitching because someone dislike those designs. I mean, this thread has fucking retards like >>145989305 and you bitch about us? Anon, please.

>>145991844
Forgot

>>145990945
>specially because the main difference is just the aesthetics in the characters faces

no, proportions are usually pretty different as well.

>>145975613
Those designs are awful. Why would they do that?

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>>145992218
SHAFT likes to stay safe in their comfort zone, so they choose Watanabe as designer for the 20th time, they're already used to "animating" his characters.

>>145992426
I fucking hate Shinbo's style of directing now.

>>145992602
>Shinbo

That's Itamura.

>>145992602
That's not Shitbo, and it isn't Oishi either. After bake they gave the direction to a retard who didn't know what he was doing, but since Bake was already popular no one cared, every season sells regardless.

>>145992700
Pretty much. Let's hope that we won't get inside another Itamura Hell.

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>>145991844
>I meant that Monogatari's designs are much better than what we saw in the Zaregotio image
That's not really true because VOFAN's art and Take's is very different, but if you compare the new designs to Take's you can clearly see the main aspects of his art being used in them (like the colors and shapes in the dress)

>Watanabe's designs are clearly more fitting than the fanservice and comedy scenes
And VOFAN designs not only would've been able to portrait the exact same things but would've been more aesthetic and faithful to the original art

>Once again, that's how they chose to present the designs.
Yes, they want the characters to stand out, it doesn't need to have any fucking characterization

>my point was that there was a logic concerning the series itself in choosing watanabe, even if you think that vofan's designs would have worked as better, that logic is evident.
So the problem is not that they changed the designs or the designs per se but the fact they did it out of pure pandering? why would you even give a shit about that?

And it's not bitching, I understand the negative opinions because I like Take's art but I'm not going to be so closed minded as to shit on those new designs just because they are not Take's, specially when you can see they share the same aesthetic patterns

>>145991954
>proportions are usually pretty different as well.
Barely

>>145992773
>>145992700
Why do you hate Itamura so much?

so many retards here

>>145993606
>said the retard

>>145993473
He's improved a lot since Nise but his direction isn't really interesting compared to other shaft directors.

>>145994421
Tomoyuki Itamura

While early Shaft was defined by Shinbo and Oonuma who were succeeded by Oishi and Miyamoto, current Shaft relies mostly on two directors to make their seasonal series, and Tomoyuki Itamura is one of them.

Itamura is the director that was selected to replace Oishi on the Monogatari series while he was working on Kizumonogatari, but most of his stylistic inheritance actually comes from Miyamoto. This is because Itamura mostly worked on series that were led by Miyamoto, like Zetsubou Sensei, Arakawa, and Denpa Onna prior to taking the helm on Monogatari.

That’s not to say that Oishi didn’t have an influence at all on Itamura, though, since he did contribute to Hidamari Sketch x365 and Bakemonogatari, but considering how inactive Oishi was post-Bake it’s natural that Itamura takes more after Miyamoto. This is the primary reason why the seasons of Monogatari that are led by him are less visually dynamic and innovatory than Bake.

That said, Itamura has grown significantly as a director over the course of the past five or so years. Since Tsukimonogatari he has clearly found his own style, reflected in the cutout chapter markers and constantly changing symbolic scenery, and he’s shown further experimentation in the recent Owarimonogatari.

It will be interesting to see where Itamura goes in the future. He hasn’t had much chance to have control over a non-Monogatari project outside of his debut on Negima’s Ala Alba OVA, and in view of his recent development as an artist he will be one to look out for after Monogatari is finished.

>>145994888
I want to see him do something not Nisio.

Nice to hear that Kajiura's finally using Kalafina for soundtracks.

>>145994888
When will Silver Link animate something worthwhile so that Oonuma's talents aren't wasted?

So there are two translations for the first two volumes of Zaregoto on Madokami, the official "Del-Ray" release and the [Buddy Waters] fan translation. Which is better?

>>145996395
Buddy Waters

>>145993421
>That's not really true

Pfft. Anon.

>more aesthetic

This, see, that's the point that I wanted to make, I didn't find the right term. Vofan's art is incredibly aesthetic, but being so aesthetic doesn't fit well in the monogatari comedy scenes and fanservice scenes, or at least not as well as like Watanabe's more voluptuous designs. Hell, I think that Vofan's newer designs could even work very well in a Shinkai movie, they really are that beautiful.

>proportions are usually pretty different as well.
>Barely

That "barely" makes them more voluptuous and a little more cartoonish, which fits very well for the monogataris. But anyway, if it's just barely, you should agree that comparing Vofan--->watanabe to Take--->Watanabe isn't a fair comparision, the later is undeniably a much more substantial change.

Anyway, let's agree to diasgree about our personal opinions on who fits better for monogatari, but I think we can agree about which was Aniplex's logic when they choose Watanabe.

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>>145979959
every house is a mansion for shaft

>>145996789
If every house is a mansion for shaft, what will every mansion be?

>>145997436
If they're like Kanbaru's mansion, you'll only see like two rooms throughout the entire series.

>>145998056
It's a mystery, tons of rooms get used during the story. Closed and not closed.

I'm pretty salty about the designs and soundtrack too. I love Shaft, I love Watanabe (I even own one of his artbooks) and I love the Monogatari series, but both Kajiura flamboyantness and these sparkly, out of character designs dissapoint me.
While it's obvious that getting some known names to animate it would be the best choice for the studio, it shows that they see this piece of literature as a product, and while it is one, you can shower a product with talent and love to make it stand out, something these choices doesn't because it stands out thanks to the big names forced onto it.
TLDR: I am an elitist jerk who wanted Shaft's vision of one of my favourite novels to be closer to my own, but it seems it doesn't have a vision at all.
Anyway, the backgrounds and visuals look good.

>>145977008
It could be that the OVAs aren't just for the first book

>>145999486
It's going to be only the first volume, and that's how it should be. It's a mystery, they can't can like they want. Again, it's not a case that the best mystery LN adaptation is Rokka no Yuusha.

>>145996395
The official TL

>>146000205
they can't cut* like they want

>>146000205
They're putting two chapters in one OVA, so it's not cutting but rather combining. Also, we don't know the length of the OVAs.

>>146000388
>They're putting two chapters in one OVA, so it's not cutting but rather combining.

That's my point.

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>Yuki Kaiji for Ii-kun

Huh, some reason I thought for the longest time he'd be a decent fit for Zerosaki.

Knowing Shaft if they ever get around to animating the 2nd book, he'll probably being voiced by Kamiya.

>>145996454
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>>145993421
>Yes, they want the characters to stand out, it doesn't need to have any fucking characterization

I must give you that. But even putting aside the pose, those designs still seem very lazy.

>So the problem is not that they changed the designs or the designs per se but the fact they did it out of pure pandering?

The hell? The latter only made it worse, obviously, a substantial change can be more tolerable if it's done for a good reason, here we have a worsening and the only reason is making it look more monogatari-ish. And I'm saying that as a freaking huge Monogatari faggot.
Watchng Take's Zaregoto designs animated was an unique opportunity. We lost that opportunity AND we lost it for some of the dumbest pandering of all time. It suprises me that we all can't agree or at least understand each other about that.

>And it's not bitching,

Nope. Your first post was 100% bitching about people who hate those designs, in a thread where those people have been as reasonabe and tame as possible.

>I like Take's art but I'm not going to be so closed minded

Anon, taking for granted that people strongly dislike those designs because they are closed minded is pretty arrogant, especially in a thread which is filled with motivations that are at the very least reasonable from people that are fans of both Take and Watanabe.

>you can see they share the same aesthetic patterns

But that's a given, it's hardly a merit, nobody would have completely change them.

>Take's you can clearly see the main aspects of his art being used in them (like the colors and shapes in the dress)

It looks to me like some Watanabe's minor character decorated with Take's patterns (but that's probably Aniplex' intention).

>>146000735
Holy shit man, I'm glad that you are back. Do you think that you will watch some episodes with us?

>>146000735
>Knowing Shaft if they ever get around to animating the 2nd book, he'll probably being voiced by Kamiya.

That would work very well.

>>146001332
>Nope. Your first post was 100% bitching about people who hate those designs, in a thread where those people have been as reasonabe and tame as possible.
which board are we on again

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>>146001447
>glad you are back
I never left but thanks I guess.

http://www.suiminchuudoku.net/tl/index.php?title=Zaregoto

>>145975613
Nonsense

>>146006933
No, it's a masterpiece.