Will EVA ever be topped?

No. Next question.

No, now don't ask this question ever again

Will TTGL ever be topped?

>>145769161
Yes, by Evangelion:3.0+1.0.

Just you wait.

>>145769161
No, The chances of that happening are very low.

>>145769943
Yes, if you remake TTGL and remove the second half.

>>145769964
>the hero become a wandering vagabond

>>145769961
I'll give you that until You come to me is on par with Evangelion and EoE.

>>145769961
People just want release at this point cause Rebuild is shit.

Re:zero

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no but shinji will

>>145770797
At least start an argument about Rei and Asuka like a normal faggot.

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>>145769161

yes

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>>145769161
Will Anime studios have as much freedom as Anno did when making it?

If not, NO

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Actually Happiness Charge Pretty Cure already dethroned Eva two years ago.

>>145769943
ttgl was topped by fucking gundam wing when it aired.

Evangelion is the most overrated piece of shit I've ever seen

>>145769161
SSY

>>145773442
na, you just have the shittest of tastes. Evangelion was done with the most creative freedom an anime ever had. It's only natural it would be the best the medium could offer.

>>145773477
Ssy is too preachy and one dimensional to top eva. It's also a lot less ambitious and it looks like shit while eva looks great.
Though I think the pacing is a little bit tighter in ssy.

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>>145769161
it already has

>>145773711
>it looks like shit while eva looks great.
eh

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>>145769161
>people will still talk about evanjellyon in 20 years

>>145773798
Then lets try to ask more of the medium instead of watching mediocre shit and praise it ironically for the memes.
May be then we'll only remember eva as just another push in the right direction.

>>145773442
It's overrated and it's STILL the best
That's how good it is

>>145773225
>>145773626
It's more about talent than freedom. Plenty of shows were were made with full control given to the creators.

>>145774214

>>145772824
like this shit

>>145774301
It's heavily based on an LN. I fail to see creative freedom in that.

>>145773886
Instead of asking more from the medium,I'd rather sit back and enjoy the cartoons, and leave you to your pursuit of something more profound within their realm. Not everything needs to be super interesting or deep or thought provoking or making some sort of statement. All that matters is that it entertains you for a while.

>>145773477
nope

>>145774669
na, you just come to a point where shit like ttgl and klk are plain boring and you need something more sophisticated to enjoy yourself.

>>145770797
baddump tss

>>145774949
yep.

>>145774669
Then go pick up a book.

>>145775257
>he thinks Eva is good because it's DEEP

>>145775396
ok

>>145769161
It already was by KLK.

>>145775396
I know it's cool now to hate on EVA because normalfags are infesting are hobby now but can you try not being a retard sometime?

>>145769161
NGE could be probably be topped only by a an anime original Anno+Ikuhara collabo with a ton of funding. I really hope Anno won't touch EVA again after Final, it would be a waste of time.

>>145775085
TTGL is a very good allegory for human evolution.

>>145779555
meh, it's just the power of will all over again. Boring and trite. It doesn't even have any merit as an allegory as it is way too straight forward and preachy.

And unlike shin sekai yori, which is as preachy and one sided on its message, its characters are portrayed as really dumb and one dimensional people for whom is hard to care. At least shin sekai yori didn't try to manipulate you into caring for one or other character as much as ttgl cheaply did.

It was really boring also, I think I dropped gurren lagann like 4-5 times over the span of 7 years before forcing myself to finish it.

If something is overrated it is gl. It's mediocre fun at best IF run of the mill mecha shows click with you.

>>145773768
I still haven't caught up to the latest episode

when does it get good?

What's so good about EVA? I thought the first episodes were way too periodic (monster of the week) and the later episodes were way too 2deep4u with annoying, tedious editing. The story just dies off and disappears in the last few parts.

I still liked it but I don't think it's at the top of my list.

>>145773477
>>145773711
The entire time I was watching SSY I was waiting for shit to get real but there was never any real "oh shit here we go" moment. I wouldn't say the pacing was great either because we saw Shun become a karma demon for absolutely no reason right after the first time skip. I feel like that was supposed to be one of the moments where the show was really supposed to hit me in a "holy shit" kind of way, but it just made me feel sad and confused.

It was a lot of wasted potential. But you can probably blame the source material for that. It was definitely well made outside of a plot standpoint.

>>145780443
Have you watched EoE? If not watch that or you are missing on quite a lot of stuff.

Personally what I love almost every aspect of the series, but what I really liked about NGE are the editing/direction, the characters and the story.
I think NGE TV has fantastic direction; the way sequences are framed, the visual style, the camera work is generally great, always interesting (and well thought) especially during key moments/events.
I have found very few series that indulges so much on character interactions and I loved that aspect of the it.
The story was really engaging for me and I found it very well executed. By reading the evageeks wiki you come to the realization that the production team invested a lot of time in the story/lore, even though not everything is shown during the series.

The people who love EVA like it for how characters are human. It may sound dumb, but the series resonates a lot more to people who are depressed/lonely/introverts (not because of self inserting though).
There is a pattern, and you clearly see that people who like NGE, also like stuff like Utena, Lain, Penguindrum etc. I think that's because of the way these series treat their characters and their interactions. These kind of themes are the reason for why these series are quite divisive.

>>145780443
When and if you refine your taste you will understand. The way you are now it would just be me trying to explain integration to someone that doesn't even know what a function is.

But in general it has to do with a really strong narrative with loads of thematic depth, a plot that is just the right amount of unorthodox and convoluted while still coming tightly together, spiced up with varied, well animated action set pieces full of tension and consequences for the characters Plus the direction is stellar and just enhances all of the above tenfold or rather make it what it is.

>>145781103
>Penguindrum
I think it's up its own ass with the symbolism.

>>145780806
Don't agree at all. Things got disgustingly real increasingly, and if you don't find the extreme brainwashing they did, nor how fucked up everything was and how extremely hopeless things seemed to be, then you must be one of the viewers who don't understand anything but brute force melodrama.

It's far, far worse than NGE.

>>145781477
I found both Penguindrum and Utena a bit up their own ass with the symbolism, and that's why I don't think they are at the same level of NGE.
Nonetheless I consider both to be very good.

>>145781618
Well in Utena I could at least discern what was a symbol and what actually happened. In PD it was really had to tell if something was supposed to be symbolic of it it really happened.

>>145781858
I completely agree.
I'm reluctant about watching Yuri Kuma because I read it's even worse on that aspect.
Is it any good?

>>145782157
It's great but it might be too deep for you.

>>145782250
After watching the Utena movie I don't think anything can surprise me.
As long as it's good I'll give it a try.

>>145782157
Just like you heard it's shit. And considering how ikuhara got worse I never watched it. So that other anon is probably full of it.

>>145783220
>it's shit
>never saw it though
mmhmm

>>145783295
It's not like I couldn't possibly have read coherent arguments that support that thesis or anything

>>145769161
I LOVE Eva to bits, really I do

But I don't get this topic
how will it be topped? In it's genre? In animation in general? In storytelling?
Like I said, I fucking love it, but it's only best in an extremely niche genre; deep depressive mecha show.

>>145769161
Re:zero comes close to it

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>Wings of Honneamise
Literally the greatest anime film of all time. A truly beautiful and ambitious film, tastefully done and with a good message.

>Gunbuster
>Nadia
>Evangelion
>FLCL
>Gurren Lagann
All bullshit that panders to waifufags with no standards.

What happened to Gainax?

>>145783689
What the heavenly fuck is wrong with you

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>>145769161
Of course.

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>>145783975
Fuck off with that garbage trash

>>145781103

I really enjoyed the 'cinematography' and animation of the fights and all that. I found the religious symbolism to be heavy-handed - it was shoved in everywhere but religion didn't seem to play any part in any of the character's lives.

My main gripe is how in the end the story is completely washed away in favour of a series of completely esoteric episodes without completing the story that has been developing before. I think the series would've been better off if they could have had the existential crises discussed through narrative instead of endless, (in my opinion) mostly boring and predictable inner dialogue.

That said, I will definitely grant you that in terms of characters (with the exception of the timid-but-sometimes-badass stereotypical pathetic MC), NGE is alot stronger than almost all other anime.

>>145783593
It's obviously meant as "will it ever be topped by another work of art/fiction". Keep up with the pretension anon.

>>145783766
What the fuck is wrong with you, not recognising the low quality bait pasta.

>>145784041
>1997+19
>not knowing the religious symbolism in Eva is just there to set the atmosphere
Do you even know what the narrative of NGE is? Did you not watch EoE?

>>145784041
Well, folks judge NGE differently depending if they consider the series alone or TV+EoE.

I really liked the TV ending too, but I saw it knowing that I still would have needed to watch EoE. I don't know how I would have judged it in 1996, with no EoE on sight.

Gainax did they best they could on the last two episodes, and it's their fault for burning through the budget and having no schedule/plan.
I feel the TV finale is appropriate, because it still focuses on the most important element of the series, the characters. They could have done a poorly executed version of EoE as a TV finale, but that would have been certainty bad.
The way the TV series ended left Anno the freedom of a grandiose finale, without needing to retcon stuff. I think it was for the best.

>>145773345
No

>>145784458
>just there to set the atmosphere
How someone could deny Evangelion's obvious religious content is astounding to me.

I kind of wish I had watched NGE after I watched all the other anime I've watched so I had something to look forward to

>>145784647
Not him, but I think that what he means is that while EVA has symbolism, it's not the core of the series.
You can't make sense of most Utena and Penguindrum if you take out the symbolism (I'm not bashing them, it's just that symbolism is integral to them), NGE on the other hand still stands with no particular problems.

>>145784647
It was stated by Anno in an interview that the religious stuff is only there to look cool and exotic and the there is no meaning behind it.

>>145784874
He's lying.

>>145783975
Just finished madoka yesterday for the first time.
It was ok but the characters were pretty dumb, the twist predictable, it looked like shit (like really really generic and bland, like if it was a chinese anime knockoff or something) and the plot too shallow.

>>145784781
I think almost everyone who likes NGE wishes he could re-experience what it was like watching it for the first time, especially EoE.
I'm keeping LOTGH for last for that exact reason.

I love Shinji's VA in the original NGE. Underrated performance IMO.

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>>145769161
been a year since I saw it, still can't understand the ending. They really screwed the pooch with this one

>>145769161
jobless reincarnaton

>>145785123
Have you watched EoE? If you didn't you are basically missing out the story finale.

>>145784929
My bad it wasn't anno that said that it was assistant director Kazuya Tsurumaki. There is a source on the Eva's wikipedia page for the shitposters to choke on.

>>145785123
>The show is to be blamed for my retardation

>>145769161
I think a better question is "Should Eva be topped".

Like the current anime climate being the way it is, I don't think there is currently any need for another Eva

>>145769161
as with music, anime is also about taste,evangelion might have objectively higher producing quality or better written plot with more subtlety, but either way since its entertainment everyone has to choose for themselves what they prefer, for example one might argue that monogatari series is better than evangelion as an anime, or FLCL or Princess Mononoke, hell even LionKing or Berserk

>>145785123
I'm guessing you didn't watch End of Eva did you?

>>145785323
Holy shit am I on youtube? Truisms galore

>>145785415
you can't tell me that every anon that argues here is just trolling can you?

>>145785474
That anon's saying you're just bringing stuff to the table that happens to be really obvious, meaningless shit that is already apparent.

>>145785323
Anon le commentateur révolutionnaire

>>145785094
That scream at one point sent shivers down my spine. I don't think anyone would dispute you on that.

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>>145785538
>>145785600

if that's so apparent about a third of the posts here, no matter how you look at it don't make any sense whatsoever

i doubt the people in this thread are here just to post memes for jokes and giggles, they are actually argueing without asking for the points they argue on

>>145785751
It's not that they don't make any sense. People are aware of other's preferences, that doesn't mean you have to tolerate that or agree with them. But you seem like someone who needs everything spelled out for you anyway. Sort of surprised you're still alive because you seem like the type that forgets to breathe.

>>145785888

see

>>145769923
>>145769943
>>145770268
>>145773345
>>145784590


this is not discussion, this is not opinionsharing , this doesn't lead anywhere, there are no arguments, and they are not meming or joking, these posts really don't make sense at all if they know

whats with the 1.11, 2.22, and 3.0 and on reboots?

>>145786312
3.0 completely shat the bed and I think it's pretty impossible to turn the tables on it at this point.

>>145769961
There's no way 3.0+1.0 can make up for the all the dumb shit 3.0 introduced. There's still the timeskip, the huge amount of stuff they have to explain like Misato's organization, what happened right after the near-third impact, what Gendo actually wants this time around, etc., the characters still need to be more developed, --- which at this point is impossible for Mari, for example -- and a ton more. Just fixing 3.0 would already take maybe half the movie. Then there's still the story of the movie itself that they need to get going and whatnot. I know you're probably not even serious but I wonder what could possibly come out of 3.0+1.0 aside from cool looking action. I'm genuinely interested in hearing some theories, though, if you anons have any.

>>145787004
3.0 was the only rebuild that vaguely felt like Anno.

>>145769161

With End onf Evangelion

>>145787146
EoE is part of NGE

>>145787114
None of the rebuilds felt like Anno, anon. You can tell they're forcing Tsurumaki to bastardize NGE and then slapping Anno's name on.

>>145769161
While I can see why EVA is so loved I thought it had some flaws, pacing wasn't always great, the sci-fi elements were dull at times and the major theme, although clever, wasn't that interesting to me.

Still, I haven't seen an anime that topped it yet.

>>145787114
Although I do agree with this, is "feeling like Anno" good enough of an excuse to completely change the course of the series halfway through? The Rebuilds felt more like a different version of Evangelion with characters that somehow resembled the original ones, and I think they should have just stuck with that.

>>145787271
Would you be so kind as to elaborate, anon?

>>145769161
Eva left me with one understanding
Asuka's a miserable cunt and even if I understand the why of it, I'd still punch her right in the mouth

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>>145787672
I'd punch you right into a grave you butthurt baby bitch. Fuck off you irrate nu-male.

>>145783975
Pretty much. Rebellion > PMMM > EoE > EVA

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>tfw going on a date with my sweet Kaworu

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Already did nostalgiafag

>>145789796
Stop posting, Shinji

>>145769161
If your definition of "best anime" is Eva, then of course not. Nothing can be more Eva than Eva

If you can't enjoy other stuff, maybe you're just an Eva fan and not an anime fan.

>>145783975
Anyone who seriously thinks that bland garbage was the next Evangelion is a fucking moron. I wish I had my time back from being tricked into watching it.

>>145790454
It was still pretty okay anon, don't be like that.
It deserves a mild 7, may be a 6.

>>145790576
The only thing I remember were the visuals were kinda cool but other than that it was crap.

>>145790653

That's what I hated most about it to be honest. to me it looked like a bland chinese knockoff anime.

Then it was kinda fun and didn't drag for too long so that was ok.

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>>145769161
How could you top THIS?

>>145769161
Something tops it every season. Eva is overrated garbage.

>>145769161
Nope

>>145774214
Making anime is about skill, not talent.

>>145787004
>3.0 part that fixes 3.0
>1.0 part that does something with 1.0

Sausage, Anno

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>>145790846
>Complaining about visuals when compared to shit like this.

>>145794219
You take that back, faglord.

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>>145783975

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>>145769161

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>>145794185
Wow anon now that you mentioned it it all makes sense.

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Yes.

By Folgore

>>145789775
Rebellion was inferior to the anime save for the animation.

>>145795305
it was supposed to be more, but they cut it down so there'd be opportunity for a second movie. Because no way in hell the nips would leave all that cash on the table.

>>145795410
I just hope they find a way not to fuck it up. There are so many steps they could take in the wrong direction.

>>145769161

Re:Zero just now. Go watch it faggot, the ride is way better if you enjoy it with /a/.

>>145795075
zatch bell is the greatest manga for 5 year olds ever created

>>145781103
>but the series resonates a lot more to people who are depressed/lonely/introverts

This. EVA is on par with welcome to the NHK.

>>145796234
Watch a show full of fanservice and waifuposting is not exactly my idea of fun.

>>145796234
Looks a shitty gate / videogame anime clone. I avoid those. I've never seen that many threads about the anime anyway.

>>145769961
(((Anno Hideaki)))

>>145783975
/a/ used to unanimously love this show, but nowadays it's apparently trash. What happened?

>>145779411
>with a ton of funding
but they work better without a budget and with a suicidal schedule.

>>145798167
Just what you'd expect from the master (of the Third Temple).

>>145798299
contrarianism is part of this board. People are just being contrary to the endless shitpost-y thread it's generated.
Downside of this is it's also impossible to air genuine criticisms as well as genuine praise

>>145769161

K-on! exist you know

>>145798663
Wrong. It seems that way, but thats not how it is.

What happens is that when a show is done airing, the people that care about it move on to other shows because theres nothing else to talk about, while the haters still shit all over it because they dont like it. If you don't believe me, think about it this way: have 75% of people like cake, and 25% that dont. Take that 75% and have them stop caring about defending cake and just leave, now 100% of people hate cake because the 75% that liked it stopped participating.

Get it? It's not contrairianism, its called moving on.

>>145778861
I'm 9 hours late, but I love Evangelion. I was implying that there are other reasons to like it beyond its pseudo-intellectual dialogue, which is what most people understand to be the reason people like Evangelion.

>>145799425
Has it occured to you that the hatebase could be largely contrarian?

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Evangelion is pretty gay if you ask me.

>>145800077
Has it occurred to you that its not?

>>145799425
>post 1 is about how contrary /a/nons can be
>first reply is saying that's wrong
poetry

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>>145800235
You're imagining it.

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>>145783975
yeah because you know madoka magica totally touched on psychological themes and had better directing yeah ok sure
i mean i'm a fan of madoka too but jesus fuck are you retarded

>>145780357
When you develop superior taste

>>145800859
>madoka magica totally touched on psychological themes
It did, though. Each girl had a character arc that explored how their circumstances combined with their flaws led to their downfall. Granted, Evangelion's psychological aspect encompasses a greater array of characters and is thereby more varied.

>had better directing
Madoka's pacing is much tighter and it uses its runtime more effectively in terms of conveying its message. Its symbology is also more relevant to itself rather than overdosing on bastardized Judeo-Christian mythology because it's cool.

>>145802278
no, just shut up, please

>>145802278
directing ≠ pacing

also it's not the "array of characters" that makes the psychology in evangelion interesting, it's how deep the show gets into the psyche of its characters

>>145769161
No, but Shinji will be topped. By his pale twinky boytoy.

>>145769964
>waa Kamina shouldn't have died.
It was always a story about Simon, and a good one. If it was Kamina throwing around galaxies as throwing stars, it would have been too forced.

>>145802562
>directing ≠ pacing
Okay, how do the elements of directing match up in each respective series?

>also it's not the "array of characters" that makes the psychology in evangelion interesting, it's how deep the show gets into the psyche of its characters
Evangelion does both. That being said, Madoka's psychological dissections aren't shallow, either.

>>145802987
I don't give a shit about Kamina. The second half was shit compared to the first half.