What makes Code Geass different from Guilty Crown, Valvrave, Cross Ange, Akame ga Kill and other "guilty pleasure" series?
C.C.'s ass is a miracle of the universe.
cross ange had one of the most unlikable main characters of all time that never apologized for being said bitch, leloch was likeable and never really fucked up aside from getting his cousin killed and making her a mass murderer
It's actually good, mostly in part because of its great characters. I watched all the other shows you mentioned (Except AgK which I read the manga of) and dropped them within a few episodes.
It has its flaws like any other series but it has a lot of legitimately well-directed/written parts that severely outweigh the bad. All the other shows you listed are just straight up guilty pleasures because there's hardly anything good about them.
>but it has a lot of legitimately well-directed/written parts that severely outweigh the bad
The plot itself keep you hooked without needing to add stupid edgy scenes like Re:zero o rapes like valv
All the Geass girls are great.
>without needing to add stupid edgy scenes
>first episode had police riots shooting children
>The Euphie incident
>cross ange had one of the most unlikable main characters of all
If Code Geass aired today /a/ would rip it to shreds as much as those shows.
At least Euphie's incident was relevant to the plot and a huge turning point for Lelouch's character and the story.
Sure, it's edgy. But it's edge that serves a purpose beyond being edgy for the sake of edgy.
She began to do stuff instead of complaining, just that made her more likeable. And in the second half almost all the other girls became assholes so she came up being more likeable than before.
Code Geass was generally simple enough where there were much fewer contrived "wait why is this happening/what is this character's motivation again?" moments than with shitty anime, yet the characters, themes, and plot were still developed complexly enough to enjoy
I don't consider a character that doesn't stop being a cunt to be in any way "likable."
That's just one of the many failings of the miserable pile of dogshit that was Cross Ange
It was actually designed with a sense of purpose and to last more than a cour or two as opposed to the other shows by Aniplex that are just aping what they think is it's formula and then going complete full on bullshit with the plot and characters instead of just kind of fast and loose cause they don't know how to actually make a proper original show.
Also the proper shows to have tried to be the next Code Geass are Guilty Crown then Valvrave, then Aldnoah and now Kabaneri. There'll probably be another one next year by Wit or A-1 or something and it'll probably be absolutely terrible but popular cause of marketing and Sawano music or something but by that point when he's probably done at least 3 more samey soundtracks if people still worship him then they really are just sad.
Oh also Ichiro Okouchi really regressed badly as a writer after Code Geass Season 1 so that could be part of the problem too but really anime doesn't have any prolific screenwriters I'd call particularly competent let alone good anymore.
I love watching old episodes of Code Geass now sometimes to find it has better animation for a 50 episode series than most supposedly big budget 12 episode shows. We'll likely never get a mech show like that again, industry is just way too risk averse and married to light novel crap for ideas now and Code Geass was conceived before that stuff ever really took off.
>but never reached Vivian's level of likeability
>becoming more likeable than the cutest character on the show
There was never any hope of this happening.
>Doesn't realize that if something is edgy, it's not necessarily bad, only when it's too over the top
The Euphie incident had a great impact on the narrative and pushed the plot forward and influenced the actions of many characters.
This word has been used on teenagers who try to be edgy so much recently that it has now become a negative term.
But the Euphie incident in the very definition of over the top and the circumstances of how it came about is incredibly contrivance. Its the worst moment in the show due to how forced it is and it is edgy as fuck.
>I love watching old episodes of Code Geass now sometimes to find it has better animation for a 50 episode series than most supposedly big budget 12 episode shows.
It wasn't a 50 episode series. And you're an idiot.
Code Geass is my fave anime. I started watching anime 08 and was mesmerized by it. Watched a lot of shit and forgot about Geass immediately. Freshman year of college I finally remembered it and how much I loved it. Rewatched so often.
Let me enumerate at least why Guilty Crown is shit.
When GC came out, I immediately saw its similarities to CG without having seen the show and was pumped. But as I saw more and more visuals and clips I realized my error.
CG wasn't built on the premise you wanted to fuck C.C. or Kallen, those were just perks. They, including Lelouch, Shirley, Madame President, they were all characters in their own right with motivations and issues.
From the few things I saw about GC, it seemed to be an emo interpretation of CG. The CGI/visual effects were so shit, ESPECIALLY when he pulled the sword out of the hot girl.The sword which is retarded long and impractical to the point of so stupid it's funny.
C.C. had a mouth on her like Holo, GC girl looks like her most important role is staying quiet and being hot for MC.
Lelouch fucked up because he was arrogant. GC MC looks like a failed Shinji successor of which there are many (may not be, haven't seen the show, in any case, my point is he looks like he's supposed to be pure fanservice for insecure young men).
TL;DR: Obvious reasons why just from a simple viewing
here's how I see it: I can't say anything bad about CG
the animation is good
the story makes sense
and the characters are likable and consistent
I'm sure some people don't like it for personal reasons, but it's objectively one of the best anime ever made.
It's very hard to find flaws with it, even if it isn't my personal favorite.
I couldn't pinpoint why without studying it, but I cared about the characters in Geass whereas I could not give a fuck about the characters in those other series. I could name one or two. Maybe because they felt more balanced and not purely based on archetypes, while still being distinctive and memorable. There was also a pretty intricate relationship web, but that only helps if your characters are good to begin with. I wanted literally every major character to get a happy ending.
Yes, even Ougi.
I don't count Kabaneri in that group, it's more SnK. There weren't crazy plot twists every single episode, it was fairly standard storytelling.
shit it's been years since I watched it but
isn't her memory loss because of her encounter with Charles?
And getting them back is a result of Marianne possessing her.
How did Marianne get inside her well I'm guessing her Geass wasn't active when she lost her memories.
Her consciousness went into the World of C, which is a plane of existence that Geass is connected to. As a Geass granter/code holder/whatever, C can interact with anyone inside at any time, and presumably go in and out anytime she wants, which is why she comes back when she thinks she's needed. It's not explained thoroughly, a lot of this is conjecture and extrapolation.
Code Geass had a much better protagonist, actual build-up long before things got crazy, less violence comparatively speaking, better ending and better music. Also less EXTREME fanservice+blood in the same scenes.
Kabaneri doesn't have anything in common with Code Geass though. Other than some boys/girls looking pretty, but that's not much of a thing.
It's more like Okouchi is being hired to write CRAAAAZY stuff and that's what he delivering, but without a director that can hold him back like Tomino or Taniguchi (more earlier than later, but still). When he works on completely normal material, stuff works out for him.
To be fair, Code Geass was never just written only by Okouchi
C.C. was shy/embarrassed about Lelouch finding out everything about her, so she retreated inside her shell more or less instinctively. When Marianne came by and asked her why that happened, C.C. was coy and didn't feel like telling her.
>Code Geass had a much better protagonist
>Was given the power to make anyone obey his command
>was never tempted to use it for sex
>died a virgin
You're inaccurately implying Lelouch died at the end of Code Geass and also ignoring that using brainwashing for sex isn't necessarily the best move outside of a videogame context.
>had every bitch creaming over him
>had C2, who was literally made for sex
>implying he ever needed to use it.
If anything it makes him better, because he could've abused it for daily Kallen dickings.
You forget he made the entire Britannian army his slaves.
>You will serve Zero.
WELL WHY DIDN'T HE JUST DO THAT BEFORE?
Code Geass is incredibly entertaining and fun. it's hammy and ridiculous, but that's the point, you just have to accept it. The characters are great, the plot is engaging, and it has an incredible amount of flair that makes every crazy twist feel as fresh as the last. It's a melodrama, yes, but it was a fucking good melodrama.
I've watched two of the other shows you listed, Guilty Crown and Cross Ange. My experience with Guilty Crown went from being confused, to waiting for it to get good, to despising every second I spent watching that boring shallow mess. Cross Ange I watched while high with my buds, and I thoroughly enjoy laughing at how stupid and edgy it was.
S1 was good-like. S2 I think they just made stuff up as the show went on.
They had already written the script for all of S2 one month into the broadcast, so they did know more than you think. Doesn't mean they didn't like putting crazy things in though.
Because despite being an ass he still wanted to avoid enslaving people. There's a huge mental leap between killing someone and making them your slaves for the rest of their lives, especially when it's enemy military as opposed to your own. He only went with this once he reached rock bottom and came up with Zero Requiem -- he had to win at any cost.
Until he makes a big mistake due to overconfidence and also gets someone with another magical eye thrown his way, like Mao, except he'd be ready for Lelouch's tricks this time.
>They had already written the script for all of S2 one month into the broadcast, so they did know more than you think.
Well the plot sure as fuck doesn't show that.
It's like a never ending train wreck jumping from one point that prior to bringing it up was never mentioned to the next point that prior to bringing it up was never mentioned.
I think its because of the complete melting pot of anything and everything anime. They hit every trope in the book. In a sense there's something for everyone in Geass. Nothing I'd ever watch twice though, too many plotholes
But it does show that in a number of ways. Depends on what you're actually paying attention to, since they did bring up several hints for events that only happened much later. Plenty of the "twists" aren't all that surprising when you're not focused on immediately reacting to them. Second or time around, I noticed several bits of foreshadowing that nobody in the audience talked about before.
There's been a lot of melting pots that haven't been too popular nor successful compared to Geass though, so that's only one part of the equation and doesn't guarantee much. The plot holes are also overstated. There's a few, but less on rewatch.
Once you know where the whole narrative is heading, it's easy to tell that the point of every major S2 event was:
a) Break Lelouch enough that he'll be willing to resort to extreme measures, ultimately killing himself.
b) Break Suzaku enough that he'll be wiling to team up with Lelouch, after abandoning his moral excuses.
Is Akito the Exiled worth watching?
The last episode was released a few months back and I never saw much talk about it.
/a/ ripped it to shreds back when it aired. One of its nicknames was Code Plothole. It was still beloved because it had other elements that made up for it and because /a/ wasn't so far up its own ass that it ignored them like it does today.
I only saw the first three and man was it boring. CGI mech fights were not as terrible as I expected but way different than Geass's (over the top action, hyperactive camerawork) and it doesn't hold a candle to the 2D.
I don't even care how it ended. If all of the Euros died I'd be happy.
Akito the Exiled is more of a standard mecha show. It's decent enough if you're a fan of that with some Code Geass trappings added, but there's less craziness in general, except for a sequence or two in the final episode.
Way I saw it, there are different types of plot holes. Minor ones that are purely mechanical implausibilities (how did this robot end up there, how did they make a million suits) don't matter to me.
Not necessarily. I can buy him going schoolboy by day using a small every to his will at night but every action scene is like "How did he do this?" or "When did he learn how to pilot a Nightmare?" or "Why would they give a treacherous soldier access to a prototype top of the line Nightmare frame without any training at all or any strict supervision?"
>Why would they give a treacherous soldier access to a prototype top of the line Nightmare frame without any training at all or any strict supervision?
Because if something goes wrong they lose nothing.
Again, it does happen a few times. But not every single action scene. As for when did Lelouch learn to pilot a mecha or Suzaku gaining access to one (probably the most common mecha anime trope in history, if we're honest), one of those was eventually explained rather explicitly. The guy mentions using Ganymede at previous school festivals.
Eh, I don't buy it, with treason and no experience whatsoever besides reading a manual for two seconds while in pain it doesnt sound reasonable. Even if he was taking a chance it still wouldnt make any sense. Usually these kinds of decisions are made when rheres some kind of idea tossed around that he somehow might make a good pilot but no evidence pointed toward it. It was just done for plot convenience
Feel free to not buy it, but that's the truth. Lloyd wanted to test the Lancelot and didn't have a pilot available isn't speculation. It makes as much sense as any other teenager piloting a giant robot with no training in anime history.
Besides, did any of the people who would honestly call Suzaku a traitor run across him that early in the show? Not until he was blamed for killing Clovis. Nobody was supervising his use of the Lancelot for that debut launch.
Pretty much. It's not like anyone other than Lloyd and Cecil expected much out of Lancelot at this point. For the nobles, it was a toy until they finally saw it in action and even then they played around with political crap for a while like at Narita.
2nd and 3rd episodes were the best of the bunch so you're fine. Started going downhill episode 4, episode 5 was basically a bunch of nonsense.
Wasn't terrible, but nothing interesting happens with Lelouch/Suzaku after their imprisonment, and it kinda just petered out and ended.
Episode 5 does mess around with some magical nonsense that's not exactly unknown for this property, but it's rather straightforward otherwise. It reached a decent conclusion for a spin-off that can't change the overall storyline.
I kind of liked that. I enjoyed seeing Lelouch and Suzaku in action for a short while too, but I didn't seriously want them to take over here.
Ending was fine yeah. Just nothing special, I'd grown attached to the characters enough to be happy about their survival. Even a bit of romantic closure, although I hadn't gotten as invested in that aspect of the story as I tend to.
It's the only one out of those that succeeded in making me care about it's characters.
By having better characters and some sense of actual tension.
Again, by having better characters, and a better sense of how retarded was too retarded.
Not the same thing. Cross Ange is more in line with something like Aquarion than with those others.
>Akame ga Kill
How is that even remotely similar?
Like other people have said, unlike in some other anime shows, so many characters are fleshed out on and not ignored, they all have relationships with each other in terms of being allies or enemies or having agreements, you can see Kallen or Suzaku as being main characters instead of Lelouch due to how convicting they are. It hooks you in, the action, mind games and plotting is engaging and exciting. The music is great, animation and style were amazing. I've never found anything nearly as enjoyable and it fucking depresses me.
>you can see Kallen or Suzaku as being main characters instead of Lelouch due to how convicting they are.
Stopped reading there
Not really. Kallen is an unimportant fanservice character and to prove how this she's absent for the majority of R2 and the story runs normal. And you need Code Geass with Lelouch and Suzaku it wouldn't work with one without the other
>it wouldn't work with one without the other
Nobody is saying you should take characters out of the story, anon.
Kallen has her own motivations to being part of the plot and she doesn't just interact with Lelouch but with Suzaku and other important characters, that's why you could follow her and still get most of the story.
late as fuck but lloyd just kinda found him after shinjuku and lookd up his scores, originally orange was supposed to be the lancelot pilot but he was busy fighting so lloyd said fuck it
That's a twisted way of looking at things, especially because her absence was one of the events that bothered Lelouch. I wouldn't call Kallen a main character in Code Geass but she does ha}ve a larger role than that. Evidently not as much as Lelouch or Suzaku, but that's not the point.
Suzaku was already broken to the point of his morals being hollow by the time season 2 started, it just took a bit more breaking after that for him to realize how much of a hypocritical shit he was being.