What makes Code Geass different from Guilty Crown, Valvrave,

>>145686465
The fanbase is more deluded because they pretend it is different when is not.

>>145686465
Lelouch

It aired during the Golden Age of /a/, back in 2005-2007, and is therefore laden with nostalgia.

Not to say it isn't a fun ride on its own.

>>145686817
too bad it outshined shows like Emma which was a far better series. Otoyomegatari adaptation when?

>>145686465
Lelouch and Taniguchi's direction

>>145686465
It tried to tackle the grayness of morality but then couldn't deliver and stopped trying.

>>145686465
its just better

>>145686465
Cross Ange is better.

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Lelouch is very likeable.

>>145686465
>guilty pleasures
CG and VVV are good

The first season was good until Euphie, then it got dumb but still acceptable fun.

>>145686465
Code geass is actually good.

And I haven't seen the other shows you mentioned too

>>145687942
>has not watched GC and VVV

The fuck

>>145687942
>I haven't seen the other shows you mentioned
You did well

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>>145686465

C.C.'s ass is a miracle of the universe.

cross ange had one of the most unlikable main characters of all time that never apologized for being said bitch, leloch was likeable and never really fucked up aside from getting his cousin killed and making her a mass murderer

It's actually good, mostly in part because of its great characters. I watched all the other shows you mentioned (Except AgK which I read the manga of) and dropped them within a few episodes.

>>145686465
>Geass
>Guilty Pleasure

It has its flaws like any other series but it has a lot of legitimately well-directed/written parts that severely outweigh the bad. All the other shows you listed are just straight up guilty pleasures because there's hardly anything good about them.

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>>145689842
>but it has a lot of legitimately well-directed/written parts that severely outweigh the bad

>>145689666
>never really fucked up
What about abandoning his army to save his sister? And then later allowing said army to turn against him?

>>145689666
She was his half sister

>>145689666
>never really fucked up
He did but he knew how to come back from his failures. And everytime he failed he learnt something new.

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>>145686465
The plot itself keep you hooked without needing to add stupid edgy scenes like Re:zero o rapes like valv

>>145686465
Nothing really, it is just that the discussion is fun and the show itself is batshit crazy. Even if it is badly written, it is definitely entertaining.

>>145686752
This, lelouch drives the show. That is why the recent OVA's were shit.

Code geass would be mechashow 999 if it wasn't for lelouch

>>145691125
I definitely can concur here. Other than maybe the scene with the drugs, the show constantly shows off without being too offensive.

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>>145689242
All the Geass girls are great.

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>>145691125
>without needing to add stupid edgy scenes
>first episode had police riots shooting children
>The Euphie incident

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>>145689666
>cross ange had one of the most unlikable main characters of all

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>>145686465
If Code Geass aired today /a/ would rip it to shreds as much as those shows.

>>145691572
She was pretty unlikeable at the beginning but that was the point of the series. She later became more likeable but never reached Vivian's level of likeability.

>>145691762
>She later became more likeable
kek

>>145689242
Kallen's everything is a miracle.

>>145691555
At least Euphie's incident was relevant to the plot and a huge turning point for Lelouch's character and the story.
Sure, it's edgy. But it's edge that serves a purpose beyond being edgy for the sake of edgy.

>>145691798
She began to do stuff instead of complaining, just that made her more likeable. And in the second half almost all the other girls became assholes so she came up being more likeable than before.

>>145692034
Being the least cuntish doesn't make her not a cunt

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posting best girl

>>145692112
Being less unlikeable is the same than being more likeable. It's basic sytax, doofus. Doesn't matter if she is still a cunt at the end of the day.

>>145686465
Code Geass was generally simple enough where there were much fewer contrived "wait why is this happening/what is this character's motivation again?" moments than with shitty anime, yet the characters, themes, and plot were still developed complexly enough to enjoy

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>>145692387
The delusion is real

>>145687942
>And I haven't seen the other shows you mentioned too
Me neither. I don't have time to watch shit shows.

>>145692317
I don't consider a character that doesn't stop being a cunt to be in any way "likable."
That's just one of the many failings of the miserable pile of dogshit that was Cross Ange

>>145692317
Hey Mister, you are applying relativistic standards of just how much of a cunt someone is to the baseline that Buddy Number Two does not like cunts.
This won't f(x).

>>145693059
>you are applying relativistic standards
>implying opinions about a cartoon show aren't already relative

>>145693163
You can't read well, can you?

>>145686465

It was actually designed with a sense of purpose and to last more than a cour or two as opposed to the other shows by Aniplex that are just aping what they think is it's formula and then going complete full on bullshit with the plot and characters instead of just kind of fast and loose cause they don't know how to actually make a proper original show.

Also the proper shows to have tried to be the next Code Geass are Guilty Crown then Valvrave, then Aldnoah and now Kabaneri. There'll probably be another one next year by Wit or A-1 or something and it'll probably be absolutely terrible but popular cause of marketing and Sawano music or something but by that point when he's probably done at least 3 more samey soundtracks if people still worship him then they really are just sad.

Oh also Ichiro Okouchi really regressed badly as a writer after Code Geass Season 1 so that could be part of the problem too but really anime doesn't have any prolific screenwriters I'd call particularly competent let alone good anymore.

I love watching old episodes of Code Geass now sometimes to find it has better animation for a 50 episode series than most supposedly big budget 12 episode shows. We'll likely never get a mech show like that again, industry is just way too risk averse and married to light novel crap for ideas now and Code Geass was conceived before that stuff ever really took off.

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>>145691762
>but never reached Vivian's level of likeability
>becoming more likeable than the cutest character on the show
There was never any hope of this happening.

>>145693411
>>Oh also Ichiro Okouchi really regressed badly as a writer after Code Geass Season 1
Try after Planetes

>>145686465
It's good.

>>145691555
>Doesn't realize that if something is edgy, it's not necessarily bad, only when it's too over the top

The Euphie incident had a great impact on the narrative and pushed the plot forward and influenced the actions of many characters.

This word has been used on teenagers who try to be edgy so much recently that it has now become a negative term.

>>145692257
Bout time someone realized who best girl was.

C.C. is literally overrated. Kallen is perfect

>>145694089
But the Euphie incident in the very definition of over the top and the circumstances of how it came about is incredibly contrivance. Its the worst moment in the show due to how forced it is and it is edgy as fuck.

>>145693500
>I love watching old episodes of Code Geass now sometimes to find it has better animation for a 50 episode series than most supposedly big budget 12 episode shows.
It wasn't a 50 episode series. And you're an idiot.

>>145694468
>Code Geass - 25 eps
>Code Geass R2 - 25 eps
Not wrong in saying there are 50 eps of CG, but I wouldn't call it a continuous 50 ep series.

>>145694626
R2 is counted as a separate season and came nearly two years after the first

>>145686465

Code Geass is my fave anime. I started watching anime 08 and was mesmerized by it. Watched a lot of shit and forgot about Geass immediately. Freshman year of college I finally remembered it and how much I loved it. Rewatched so often.

Let me enumerate at least why Guilty Crown is shit.

When GC came out, I immediately saw its similarities to CG without having seen the show and was pumped. But as I saw more and more visuals and clips I realized my error.

CG wasn't built on the premise you wanted to fuck C.C. or Kallen, those were just perks. They, including Lelouch, Shirley, Madame President, they were all characters in their own right with motivations and issues.

From the few things I saw about GC, it seemed to be an emo interpretation of CG. The CGI/visual effects were so shit, ESPECIALLY when he pulled the sword out of the hot girl.The sword which is retarded long and impractical to the point of so stupid it's funny.

C.C. had a mouth on her like Holo, GC girl looks like her most important role is staying quiet and being hot for MC.

Lelouch fucked up because he was arrogant. GC MC looks like a failed Shinji successor of which there are many (may not be, haven't seen the show, in any case, my point is he looks like he's supposed to be pure fanservice for insecure young men).

TL;DR: Obvious reasons why just from a simple viewing

>>145694697
right which is why I said
>but I wouldn't call it a continuous 50 ep series.

>>145686465
here's how I see it: I can't say anything bad about CG
the animation is good
the story makes sense
and the characters are likable and consistent

I'm sure some people don't like it for personal reasons, but it's objectively one of the best anime ever made.
It's very hard to find flaws with it, even if it isn't my personal favorite.

>>145694719
GC was compared to CG, Eva, E7, even Fate. And it was inferior to all of them.

>>145695682
Don't forget Ryvius

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>>145686817
>Golden Age
>/a/
What?

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>>145692542

I couldn't pinpoint why without studying it, but I cared about the characters in Geass whereas I could not give a fuck about the characters in those other series. I could name one or two. Maybe because they felt more balanced and not purely based on archetypes, while still being distinctive and memorable. There was also a pretty intricate relationship web, but that only helps if your characters are good to begin with. I wanted literally every major character to get a happy ending. Yes, even Ougi.

>>145693411
I don't count Kabaneri in that group, it's more SnK. There weren't crazy plot twists every single episode, it was fairly standard storytelling.

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>>145686817
This

>>145695193
Anon can you tell me why did C.C. loose her memory and how did she Retrieves it ? I just rewatched ep 20 and how did marianne get inside her (geass doesn't work on c.c.)

>>145698581
shit it's been years since I watched it but
isn't her memory loss because of her encounter with Charles?
And getting them back is a result of Marianne possessing her.
How did Marianne get inside her well I'm guessing her Geass wasn't active when she lost her memories.

>>145698581
Her consciousness went into the World of C, which is a plane of existence that Geass is connected to. As a Geass granter/code holder/whatever, C can interact with anyone inside at any time, and presumably go in and out anytime she wants, which is why she comes back when she thinks she's needed. It's not explained thoroughly, a lot of this is conjecture and extrapolation.

r2 threads was the most fun i've ever had on the internet also some of my fondest memories in life

>>145686465
There's nothing to feel guilty about.

Is Code Geass the only anime to use mind control powers as a plot device outside of hentai?

>>145699459
Are you serious? Even other entry level shows like Death Note have that.

>>145686465
Code Geass had a much better protagonist, actual build-up long before things got crazy, less violence comparatively speaking, better ending and better music. Also less EXTREME fanservice+blood in the same scenes.

>>145693411
Kabaneri doesn't have anything in common with Code Geass though. Other than some boys/girls looking pretty, but that's not much of a thing.

It's more like Okouchi is being hired to write CRAAAAZY stuff and that's what he delivering, but without a director that can hold him back like Tomino or Taniguchi (more earlier than later, but still). When he works on completely normal material, stuff works out for him.

To be fair, Code Geass was never just written only by Okouchi

>>145698581
>>145699166
C.C. was shy/embarrassed about Lelouch finding out everything about her, so she retreated inside her shell more or less instinctively. When Marianne came by and asked her why that happened, C.C. was coy and didn't feel like telling her.

>>145686900
Totally different audiences, with few exceptions like myself, so most fans of Emma wouldn't be interest in this and vice versa.

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>>145699932
>Code Geass had a much better protagonist

>Was given the power to make anyone obey his command
>was never tempted to use it for sex
>died a virgin

>>145700339
You're inaccurately implying Lelouch died at the end of Code Geass and also ignoring that using brainwashing for sex isn't necessarily the best move outside of a videogame context.

>>145700339
>was never tempted to use it for sex
If I had C.C. I wouldn't use it for that either.

>>145700339
He didn't even have to use it for sex. A number of girls were in love with him. He even had every bitch in the school throwing themselves at him at one point.

>>145700339
>had every bitch creaming over him
>had C2, who was literally made for sex
>implying he ever needed to use it.

If anything it makes him better, because he could've abused it for daily Kallen dickings.

>>145700339
>order someone to have sex with you
>person wakes up naked next to you with no memory of what happened
>you get arrested for rape

What's the next step of your master plan?

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>>145700817

You forget he made the entire Britannian army his slaves.

>>145696621
Before moot sacrificed us to the Behelit.

fuck suzaku

>>145686465
Lelouch get's a 10/10 victory on the end.

>>145701065
i would

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>>145700865

>You will serve Zero.

WELL WHY DIDN'T HE JUST DO THAT BEFORE?

>>145700196
of course, they are old people. How could they enjoy immature shit like Chode Gay-ass?

>>145686465
Code Geass is incredibly entertaining and fun. it's hammy and ridiculous, but that's the point, you just have to accept it. The characters are great, the plot is engaging, and it has an incredible amount of flair that makes every crazy twist feel as fresh as the last. It's a melodrama, yes, but it was a fucking good melodrama.

I've watched two of the other shows you listed, Guilty Crown and Cross Ange. My experience with Guilty Crown went from being confused, to waiting for it to get good, to despising every second I spent watching that boring shallow mess. Cross Ange I watched while high with my buds, and I thoroughly enjoy laughing at how stupid and edgy it was.

>>145701198
>they are old people

Not necessarily

>How could they enjoy immature shit?

You'd be surprised.

>>145701187
Because it's an extreme measure to be taken in extreme circumstances. If he did that all the time, it'd be hard to keep stuff from backfiring.

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S1 was good-like. S2 I think they just made stuff up as the show went on.

>>145701328
most old people I know are elitist scums t b h and always rant to those "good ol' days" which is partly true since culture has been deteriorating for the past years

>>145701385
They had already written the script for all of S2 one month into the broadcast, so they did know more than you think. Doesn't mean they didn't like putting crazy things in though.

>>145701446
Problem with that is nostalgia makes them blind to many ofthe silly things they liked and yet treasure like it was pure gold now.

>>145701494
>just only one month before the broadcast

there's your problem

>>145701370
>If he did that all the time, it'd be hard to keep stuff from backfiring

But everyone would obey him anyway.

>>145701187
Because despite being an ass he still wanted to avoid enslaving people. There's a huge mental leap between killing someone and making them your slaves for the rest of their lives, especially when it's enemy military as opposed to your own. He only went with this once he reached rock bottom and came up with Zero Requiem -- he had to win at any cost.

>>145701538
That's still earlier than Anno coming up with the ending of Eva TV.

>>145701584
Until he makes a big mistake due to overconfidence and also gets someone with another magical eye thrown his way, like Mao, except he'd be ready for Lelouch's tricks this time.

>>145700339
>>died a virgin
>implying he didn't fuck C2

>>145701494
>They had already written the script for all of S2 one month into the broadcast, so they did know more than you think.
Well the plot sure as fuck doesn't show that.

It's like a never ending train wreck jumping from one point that prior to bringing it up was never mentioned to the next point that prior to bringing it up was never mentioned.

>>145701187
It's stated multiple times in the series that his geass gets more powerful over time, he may not have been able to do that before.

GEASS SUNDAY

>>145701739
That makes sense. I thought getting geass in both eyes was kind of a lame upgrade.

>>145686465
I think its because of the complete melting pot of anything and everything anime. They hit every trope in the book. In a sense there's something for everyone in Geass. Nothing I'd ever watch twice though, too many plotholes

>>145701674
But it does show that in a number of ways. Depends on what you're actually paying attention to, since they did bring up several hints for events that only happened much later. Plenty of the "twists" aren't all that surprising when you're not focused on immediately reacting to them. Second or time around, I noticed several bits of foreshadowing that nobody in the audience talked about before.

>>145701829
There's been a lot of melting pots that haven't been too popular nor successful compared to Geass though, so that's only one part of the equation and doesn't guarantee much. The plot holes are also overstated. There's a few, but less on rewatch.

>>145701798
Makes sense since he only really starts commanding legions and legions of people near the end of the story. Before that, he mostly avoided doing so.

>>145701829
I have yet to see an Autobiography Japanese cartoon and no, The Wind Rises doesnt count

>>145701938
Lol theres more on a 2nd watch. From the 2nd episode onwards. Doesnt mean it isnt enjoyable though

>>145691646
Everyone knows modern /a/ has shit taste.

>>145701674
Once you know where the whole narrative is heading, it's easy to tell that the point of every major S2 event was:

a) Break Lelouch enough that he'll be willing to resort to extreme measures, ultimately killing himself.

b) Break Suzaku enough that he'll be wiling to team up with Lelouch, after abandoning his moral excuses.

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Is Akito the Exiled worth watching?

The last episode was released a few months back and I never saw much talk about it.

>>145691646
/a/ ripped it to shreds back when it aired. One of its nicknames was Code Plothole. It was still beloved because it had other elements that made up for it and because /a/ wasn't so far up its own ass that it ignored them like it does today.

>>145702031
Only if you think every single unrealistic situation is a plot hole by default.

>>145702176
I only saw the first three and man was it boring. CGI mech fights were not as terrible as I expected but way different than Geass's (over the top action, hyperactive camerawork) and it doesn't hold a candle to the 2D.

I don't even care how it ended. If all of the Euros died I'd be happy.

>>145702204
Code Plothole wasn't really a popular term. But you sound like the sort of person who would legitimately come up with a term like Jojo's Plothole Adventure

>>145702176
Akito the Exiled is more of a standard mecha show. It's decent enough if you're a fan of that with some Code Geass trappings added, but there's less craziness in general, except for a sequence or two in the final episode.

>>145702305
What the fuck, yes it was. I didn't make the term up either so I don't know what you're on about.

>>145702213
Way I saw it, there are different types of plot holes. Minor ones that are purely mechanical implausibilities (how did this robot end up there, how did they make a million suits) don't matter to me.

>>145702213
Not necessarily. I can buy him going schoolboy by day using a small every to his will at night but every action scene is like "How did he do this?" or "When did he learn how to pilot a Nightmare?" or "Why would they give a treacherous soldier access to a prototype top of the line Nightmare frame without any training at all or any strict supervision?"

>>145702433
*Small army
Damn autocorrect

>>145686520
/thread

>>145702350
>yes it was
>less than five search results

>>145702433
>Why would they give a treacherous soldier access to a prototype top of the line Nightmare frame without any training at all or any strict supervision?
Because if something goes wrong they lose nothing.

>>145686520
The math doesn't agree with you.

>>145686465
Cross Ange does not take itself seriously. It doesn't try to be "deep". Do not compare Cross Ange to those pieces of shit.

>>145702526
Millions of dollars in research and development?

>>145702509
Uh, where. There is no archive that goes back that far.

>>145702433
Again, it does happen a few times. But not every single action scene. As for when did Lelouch learn to pilot a mecha or Suzaku gaining access to one (probably the most common mecha anime trope in history, if we're honest), one of those was eventually explained rather explicitly. The guy mentions using Ganymede at previous school festivals.

>>145702433
Lloyd needed a test pilot and all the soldiers were busy killing Elevens, so he took a chance with Suzaku.

PS: Lloyd is a crazy dude.

>>145702577
Neither does Valvrave if we are being sincere (no, ppl dying does not equal sincerity and a few chars died in Cross Ange too).

>>145702601
You know the archive goes back to February 2008 right, which is before R2 aired.

>>145702714
Eh, I don't buy it, with treason and no experience whatsoever besides reading a manual for two seconds while in pain it doesnt sound reasonable. Even if he was taking a chance it still wouldnt make any sense. Usually these kinds of decisions are made when rheres some kind of idea tossed around that he somehow might make a good pilot but no evidence pointed toward it. It was just done for plot convenience

>>145702583
They will lose that anyway if shit doesn't work properly.

>>145702817
Feel free to not buy it, but that's the truth. Lloyd wanted to test the Lancelot and didn't have a pilot available isn't speculation. It makes as much sense as any other teenager piloting a giant robot with no training in anime history.

Besides, did any of the people who would honestly call Suzaku a traitor run across him that early in the show? Not until he was blamed for killing Clovis. Nobody was supervising his use of the Lancelot for that debut launch.

>>145702866
Alpha testing wouldnt up and destroy the whole thing. Suzaku piloting it bad and the Japanese Freedom Fighter whatever force destroying it? Well then.

>>145702866
They mention Suzaku getting high simulator/sync scores before letting him into the actual robot, so they did run some tests.

>>145702796
Which archive? foolz is dead and I don't remember if even that was around back then. The on-site archive goes back a week.

>>145702993
Try Google and maybe concede the point already.

>>145702993
https://desuarchive.org/a/search/order/asc/

Desuarchive hasn't imported everything from archive.moe but it does have the period when R2 aired.

>>145689666
I will fight you

>>145702817
>>145702939
Are you guys forgetting that he had super high scores from piloting tests?

>>145703046
Spoonfeeding general

>>145702970
>>145702974
Yes but if the robot failed they could just blame Suzaku for it and keep going with their research as nothing happened.

>>145703134
Pretty much. It's not like anyone other than Lloyd and Cecil expected much out of Lancelot at this point. For the nobles, it was a toy until they finally saw it in action and even then they played around with political crap for a while like at Narita.

>>145702293
2nd and 3rd episodes were the best of the bunch so you're fine. Started going downhill episode 4, episode 5 was basically a bunch of nonsense.

Wasn't terrible, but nothing interesting happens with Lelouch/Suzaku after their imprisonment, and it kinda just petered out and ended.

>>145703263
Episode 5 does mess around with some magical nonsense that's not exactly unknown for this property, but it's rather straightforward otherwise. It reached a decent conclusion for a spin-off that can't change the overall storyline.

I kind of liked that. I enjoyed seeing Lelouch and Suzaku in action for a short while too, but I didn't seriously want them to take over here.

>>145703351
Ending was fine yeah. Just nothing special, I'd grown attached to the characters enough to be happy about their survival. Even a bit of romantic closure, although I hadn't gotten as invested in that aspect of the story as I tend to.

>>145686465
JIBUN WOOOOO

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>>145703461

>>145686973
/thread

>>145686465
It's the same shit as the rest you mentioned.

>>145701187
>
I thought they made it clear that his geass got more and more powerful.

>>145686465
>guilty pleasure
What? Since when? I either enjoy something or I don't, I don't feel guilty about it.

>>145686465
It came out when you were in middle school.

>>145686465
CG had better characters than the first two, and isn't really like the latter two at all.

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It's the only one out of those that succeeded in making me care about it's characters.

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>>145688159
>has not watched two shit shows
yeah that guys really missin out

>>145686465
>Guilty Crown
By having better characters and some sense of actual tension.
>Valvrave
Again, by having better characters, and a better sense of how retarded was too retarded.
>Cross Ange
Not the same thing. Cross Ange is more in line with something like Aquarion than with those others.
>Akame ga Kill
How is that even remotely similar?

>>145706569
>what is every popular show you don't like

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Like other people have said, unlike in some other anime shows, so many characters are fleshed out on and not ignored, they all have relationships with each other in terms of being allies or enemies or having agreements, you can see Kallen or Suzaku as being main characters instead of Lelouch due to how convicting they are. It hooks you in, the action, mind games and plotting is engaging and exciting. The music is great, animation and style were amazing. I've never found anything nearly as enjoyable and it fucking depresses me.

>>145708486
Anon is saying that CG is different than those shows because of those reasons. Read OP's question.

>>145708578
Ah shit, I fucked up and read wrong. Disreguard that

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>>145708417
>you can see Kallen or Suzaku as being main characters instead of Lelouch due to how convicting they are.
>Kallen

Stopped reading there

>>145708755
Nobody said they would be good MCs but the story could be told from their POV and still make sense.

>>145708827
Not really. Kallen is an unimportant fanservice character and to prove how this she's absent for the majority of R2 and the story runs normal. And you need Code Geass with Lelouch and Suzaku it wouldn't work with one without the other

>>145708894
>it wouldn't work with one without the other
Nobody is saying you should take characters out of the story, anon.
Kallen has her own motivations to being part of the plot and she doesn't just interact with Lelouch but with Suzaku and other important characters, that's why you could follow her and still get most of the story.

The main things that takes Code Geass apart from the other shows of the "batshit insane mecha formula" are style, presentation and direction.

Is also has very likeable characters.

>>145702433
late as fuck but lloyd just kinda found him after shinjuku and lookd up his scores, originally orange was supposed to be the lancelot pilot but he was busy fighting so lloyd said fuck it

>>145686465
3 words:
Code Geass Sunday

>>145708894
That's a twisted way of looking at things, especially because her absence was one of the events that bothered Lelouch. I wouldn't call Kallen a main character in Code Geass but she does ha}ve a larger role than that. Evidently not as much as Lelouch or Suzaku, but that's not the point.

>>145702172
Suzaku was already broken to the point of his morals being hollow by the time season 2 started, it just took a bit more breaking after that for him to realize how much of a hypocritical shit he was being.

>>145686465
Even if you think its bad . It was better than all these shit

>>145701187
Because he wasn't full Punished Lelouch at that point. When he buried Rolo, he buried quite a lot of the old him.

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Memes

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>>145697459
disgusting

>>145710799
>because her absence was one of the events that bothered Lelouch
No it didn't. The only character that actually remembered that they had to rescue her was Rakshata

>>145711079
Wrong again dumbass

>>145701446
>deteriorating
You are not aware of all the long forgotten garbage and mediocre stuff from those "good ol' days".

>>145706811
>How is that even remotely similar?
"Guilty Pleasure"
The similarity is that those shows are schlock, but enjoyable.
Like a good, honest B-Movie or something.

>>145688159
VVV goes down the shitter in the second season. It's hardly a "must watch".

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