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Shinji a good boy, he dindu nuthin wrong. He don deserve any of this.

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>>145658407
How much does tomoya deserve? He had a hard life

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Where's MANkoto?

Why is Harima so far to the right?
What the hell did he ever do to anyone?

>>145658407
Kaiji deserved absolutely everything that came to him.
>Marida at 0
Yeah sure.

>>145658407
It's a bit hard to read the graph, but it might just be my shit eyes.

>>145658407
Shitty list and Griffith did nothing wrong.

>>145659432
>Kaiji deserved absolutely everything that came to him.
No, screw you. You screwed up by trying to help a friend one that then screwed over him. He was naive but he didn't deserve it.

>>145659493

No, the background does make it a little difficult to read.

>>145659432
>Kaiji deserved absolutely everything that came to him.
What? "Absolutely everything"?
Explain yourself, please.

>>145659683
>You screwed up
Kaiji

>>145658407
>Takeru
>not suffering as much as Guts

>>145659683
Kaiji is literal human garbage. It's not my opinion, it's a quote from the source.
Kaiji cannot function as a decent person unless his life is on the line or he's throat-deep in debt.
Every time we see Kaiji be without problems he's a worthless sack of shit.

>>145659781
>decent person
Define decent person. Being jobless or addicted to gambling doesn't disqualify you as a decent person.

>>145659781
He was doing fine after the Bog up until he got dragged back in to play Mahjong, wasn't he?
Turned over a new leaf.

>>145658407
You shilling your opinion without researches, screw you.

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>>145659432
>Marida at 0
5 isn't 0, and anyone in Gundam NTR is morally bad when compared to the goody two shoes Mary Sue MC.

>>145659856
>Turned over a new leaf.
He was mooching off the monk for taht whole time.

>>145659894
Hm, fair.
I guess he was still being worthless from a conventional perspective.

>>145659993
I mean, it's not like I don't sympathise with Kaiji, far from that, but I also think it's kind of his fault in most of the cases except the very first one, where that guy completely fucked him over with the debt.

>>145660061
No, I get it.
You've convinced me, I hadn't really thought about it directly like that.
Fits perfectly thematically, I'll have to remember it.

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>>145658407

Its been awhile since I've seen the show, but how did Erin deserve anything?

Guts isn't even close to some of the ones in that chart.

>>145660535
Touma over Takeru?
Fucking ridiculous.

>>145660535
How did Dio ever suffer?

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>>145660535
>Guts deserving any suffering

>>145660535
The Quzilax loli should be way higher on the suffering scale.

>>145661794
His childhood was suffering and then when he finally realizes his dream, he gets shoved in a casket for hundreds of years.
Then after reaching philosophical self-actualization and hanging out with his best friend for a while, some assholes hunt him down and fuck him over out of the blue, preventing him from realizing his ideal universe.
It's not a ton of suffering, but it's not no suffering.

>>145660535
How come Kazuki suffered less than Homura? He spent freaking 1000 years alone in the loop.

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>>145660535
>murders people with noise just because her parents got murdered
>doesn't deserve an ounce of suffering

Chris had at least something coming to her.

>>145658407
It's shit

>anyone
>deserving suffering
Really I'm just upset that you'd give my nigga Hachiman an 80 but honestly this graph is retarded.

>>145658407

I think Harima needs to be reversed, went through a lot of suffering and didn't deserve any of it.

>>145662068
But muh latino rape backstory.

>>145659339
Came here to ask this.
The only conclusion that I can draw is that while Harima suffered a small amount he earned most of what he reaped. The X axis says "how much they deserved it", not "How much they deserve to suffer". Harima was an ass quite frequently to just about everyone at school. He let his pride govern his actions often at got his just desserts every time. If OP means this, then I think it's reasonable.

>>145661823
He did assassinate a guy just because Griffith said so. While Griffith had good reasoning, Guts made it quite clear that he didn't care about that.

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>>145658407
>putting the suffering on a scale and trying to measure it
Suffering isn't any kind of powerlevel, retard.
Just go back to your containment board.

>>145658407
Not dis shitto again

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>>145663027
Why isn't Helck on there?

>>145663027
>Misaki Mei
>Suffered more than Okabe or Takeru
No. Just no.

>>145664622
Touma is above them.
TOUMA.

Why is Ed at 50/50 for all of these?

>>145661680
In terms of the raw amount of suffering, Touma should be the highest. The only reason he's not at 100 is because he's already fucked in the head and shrugs off a good chunk of his suffering.

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>>145664793

>>145664793
Yeah, his life blows. He didn't really deserve it much though

>>145663027
>Yotsuba having any kind of suffering at all

What the fuck

>>145666435
That fucker Yanda keeps showing up.

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>>145663027
Does Kumagawa belong to suffering chart?

Guts' suffering is overrated.

>>145666753
Your post is overrated.

>>145666706
No. It is unnecessary.

>>145666891
Why it's unnecessary?

>ichise from texhnolyze not on it

>>145667048
Being Kumagawa is not suffering.
Kumagawa IS suffering.

>>145661823
Cuz Guts is based.

>>145660535
>Harima
Explain yourself.

Why would Trunks be so high?

>>145658407
What a retarded chart. Touma would've been above everyone else in that and then some more.

This chart is more like a popularity contest.

>>145668183
Truth.

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Look! a retarded OP posted this cancerous retarded chart again.

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Yeah, this chart is quite questionable. I don't see how being selfish, bitter, and sexually confused means you deserve to suffer more than people who have actually committed murder.

>>145663027
My OCD makes me want to get this chart completely filled out.

>>145667959
future Trunks.
Everyone died, the world is ending.
And you brought destruction and death with you to the people you try to save.

>>145668370
Do it if you want.
>>145663027 I'm not the OP either.
I just added a bunch of characters to his chart and moved some of the other ones around.

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>>145668614
Yeah, go on, go finish that retarded chart with your retarded taste anon, and go add to the problem of /a/

>>145668741
Calm your shit.
It's just some mindless fun, nothing to get pissy about.

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>>145668816
Never said stop doing it. I said go on, right? Just like the cancer you retards are.
I like to see you cancers expose your shit taste and attract more cancer.

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>>145663027
Deserved: 0
Suffered: 80

>>145669446
Suffered 80? Hell no. She lost her sense of taste and was comatose for a little while. Try Togo instead.

>>145658407
Why did Homura deserve all that suffering?

>>145661948
He even thought about making a compromise with them. Poor soul.

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>>145660535
Didn't we all already agreed that you should kill yourself?

>>145658407
>Char Aznable that far on the left
>A fucking psychopath who betrayed his only friend out of revenge, used the feeling of a teen girl to turn her into his tool and wanted to kill half humanity to prove his gramps was right
>Being a NEET/loner is as bad as a coldhearted killer
Fuck that chart, it's just like>>145668183 said

>>145660535
I don't think Utena suffers that much.

Kaiji deserved it way more than the chart says.

>>145659683
No. When he had the chance to take the 20 mil and walk away or face the chairman he chose the chairman. This is despite the fact that he could pay off all the debts with the 20 mil, and then store some for the rest of his life. He decides to challenge the chairman for an inane reason that leaves him penniless, not to mention having broken his promise with his friend. It was simple greed and pride that led to his downfall.

Can someone explain what happens to Touma?

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>>145660535
>>145658407
HOMURA DID NOTHING WRONG

>>145660535
>Alois deserving it less that Johnny Joestar
who made this shit

>>145663027
>Satou at zero suffering
His problems may have been trivial but he shouldn't be at the same level as Umaru.

>>145675032
THIS

>>145675025
A character gains effective omnipotence but they can't affect his hand, so rather than killing him and having the power in his hand go missing and re-manifest in potentially annoying ways, they decide to mind-break him. They repeatedly kill him in cruel and interesting ways until they realise that they aren't going to break him, so they decide to just make him want to kill himself. Some examples of suffering include: putting him in worlds were all his friends are trying to kill him, he has to feed parts of his body to his friends to keep them alive, his body rots away while he's still alive, he has locked in syndrome, he's left floating in space alone for a lifetime and so on. He's eventually broken by being put in a world where everything that he did to save people has been done better by other people and so by continuing to exist he's endangering the peace of the world. He's about to throw himself off a building when he gets rescued by the collective will of the Misaka clone network who convinces him to live selfishly rather than give his life up for others. So he then tries to fight the God who's put him in this position, but she keeps reviving him to the start of the fight every time she explodes him. Luckily for him, her powers are failing because our boy Fiamma stuck her with a fairy spell in the previous volume which causes her to lose her powers. Luckily for her, Touma's got stockholm syndrome and after convincing her to return the world to it's previous state he decides to fight the entire world to defend her. After fighting his way through a boss rush of major characters, she tries to kill herself but ends up being turned into a powerless fairy that lives with him. Then, rather annoyingly, everything goes back to the status quo and he only has a few minor flashes of PTSD.

>>145677596
>Then, rather annoyingly, everything goes back to the status quo and he only has a few minor flashes of PTSD.

I just chalk it up to all of the brain damage he's suffered.

>>145677596
Holy shit
Talk about turning suffering to 11
Why not just imprison him like Kars or something?

>>145678382
>Why not just imprison him?
She initially wanted him on her side so she could have him help her return the world to the way it was when she was born. Imagine Breaker (the power in his hand) lets him act as a "reference point" for the way the world is in it's "pure", unmodified state. So if she completely fucked the world up and couldn't remember how it used to be, she can use him to restore it. It's been a while since I've read NT9, but I think she just gets annoyed at his continued existence after trying to break him for 10,000+ attempts and decides to have him kill himself. Not to mention he could break out of any magical prison she puts him in.

>>145677230
He starved himself that has to count for something.

>>145658407
Casca suffered more than guts ever did.

>>145658407
>Nagato Yuki
>Suffering
Might as well ask how much a log or a rock suffers if you strike it. Without any concept of suffering she blips at a 2% at best.

>>145658407
>Gaara
>A bullied, ostracized kid deserved it
I'm going to make me a sandwich now to eat, do you want it?

>>145679751
He was also an edgy kid killing people for no reason.

>>145679859
Except being hated by an entire village

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>>145660535
>Shinji that high
He had a chance to make everything better but chose not to because muh hurt fefes

Sure there are a lot of things that are out of his control but overal he could have those things not matter in the end.

also
How the fuck is Grifith that high?
Literally every bad thing that has happed in his life was carved from his own decisions and he has accepted those dexisions

>>145680331
>not being destroyed by your own decisions and trying your best to pretend that you're coping with what you've wrought
fucking normies

>>145663027
>Araragi deserving to suffer
I what deluded world do you live in?

Name one thing that he has done do deserve almost getting killed on a monthly bases

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>>145680448
The only time where Grifith is gonna be sorry about anything is the time when Guts finally stand over him do to some deus ex machina shit where the only thing having prevented Grifith form winning was him just having to not have raped Casca.

That is gonna be his final downfall, because it was ultimatly unnecessary.
And i that moment he wont have anybody else to blame then himself

>>145680524
Pedophilia and incest is wrong.

>>145663027
The girl from emergence didn't deserve it, she was just dumb

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>>145680926

>>145662102
You're too pure for this board

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>>145660535
>>145663027
>Avenger
>Lived an entire normal life
>Coin flip decides that he should spend the rest of his life tortured, hated, and marked as evil
>Somehow he deserved it

>>145658407
>oberstien
>didn't deserve it

>kumamiko retard
>didn't deserve it

Shit graph

>>145660535
>shinji
>deserving it

>johnny
>suffering

>homu
>not deserving it

You're getting worse and worse.

>>145658407
Why is this Subaru guy suffering? I don't wan't to watch the anime, but I'm curious.

>>145682257
Time loops where he and his friends are often brutally murdered, usually because of his own mistakes and short comings.

>>145680524
He literally fucked everything up by indulging in his self-hatred and self-pity.

>>145682323
How brutal? Like torture shit?

>>145679751
>>145680236
>A bullied, ostracized kid
>hated by an entire village

So was Naruto, and he never turned into a douche faggot like Gaara.
Gaara deserved far worse.

>>145683873
>How brutal
You have no fucking idea. Loved ones' bodies literally twisted by magic, global ice ages, giant whales erasing friends from existence, everyone he loves getting brutally murdered every time the loop is reset because he dared to tell them about the loop itself. Re:Zero is basically a Dark Souls world. Subaru basically gets mind broken multiple times due to the suffering up to the point where he goes beyond mindbreak.

>>145658407
insert Archer EMIYA at (40,60)

>>145686640
disregard this I just found him

>>145684355
Didn't Naruto had Iruka? I mean, I'm pretty sure Naruto would have ended up doing the same if Iruka tried to kill him, but anyways, this whole chart is the worst I have ever seen, even worse than the tsundere threads.

>>145674602

20mil in yen is only 200k US, that would hardly last more than a decade, and if he's in his 20's that's nothing.

>>145660535
>char that low
He deserved it, Mr. "I have never betrayed anyone" was a huge piece of shit that tried destroying all life on the earth over a fucking disagreement about humanity's future with Amuro. Not to mention he used Zeon, AEUG, and neo-neo Zeon all to push a fucking agenda while trying to fuck ten year olds as much as possible.

This will be a meme chart as long as Guts is at the top.

Of course there is no doubt that some characters have suffered more than others, but suffering is ultimately subjective and can't be measured on a scale like that. Assigning points to the bad shit that happens to someone cheapens the suffering they went through and you're all faggots for doing so.

>>145675032

Homura has probably suffered more than Gutts

With how many timelines she's been through, she's probably seen at least one guy looking like Griffith rape Madoka. She's probably seen a fuckton of older businessmen molesting Madoka as well

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>>145688722
Well they are one of the cancers of /a/, of course they act like retards, no surprise here.

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>>145661823
>technically a murderer and professional killer
>not deserving some suffering

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Oberstein did nothing wrong

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Where does Takuru go on the list?

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>Squealer
>Not 100 in terms of suffering

>>145696583
Why would he be that high? Because of how he died?

>>145696735
Having every cell and pain receptor in your body subjected to intense pain for the rest of eternity as a constantly regenerating tumor sounds just about like the worst thing that could happen to someone.

>>145660535
>Touma on the same level as Polnareff
Touma spent a billion years inside a twisted goddess's world, constantly dying and seeing the worst possible ending of an infinite amount of universes. Also Pol should be moved to around 40-50 because he got Avdol killed